From mikem at cyber.com.au Mon Mar 1 03:02:36 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:02:36 +1100 (EST) Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: <200402281228.59869.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > > I'll import your content into my XML (for no reason other than mine has > > lots of tables I can't be bothered writing out again) next Monday and you > > can tell me if you're happy with it > > I'll read it and let you know. Cool - I'm just starting work now, will let you know when I'm done. Mike From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Mon Mar 1 18:11:51 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:11:51 +0000 Subject: Thoughts on Squid article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200403011811.51178.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> On Monday 01 March 2004 03:02, Mike MacCana wrote: > On Sat, 28 Feb 2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > > > I'll import your content into my XML (for no reason other than mine has > > > lots of tables I can't be bothered writing out again) next Monday and > > > you can tell me if you're happy with it > > > > I'll read it and let you know. > > Cool - I'm just starting work now, will let you know when I'm done. > > Mike OK. Yours looks good. It should be a good length when you add mine in. What about putting something in about limiting bandwidth on a per-user basis with delay pools? -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Mon Mar 1 18:14:25 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:14:25 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040228132418.025f3088@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200402272313.06045.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040228132418.025f3088@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <200403011814.31216.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 28 February 2004 13:25, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 23:13 27/02/2004, Gavin Henry wrote: > >We never had that choice. Some are so small it would not be worth getting > >everyone to learn it. (not hard ;-) ) > > > > > Tell me to go home Gavin... or suggest how we can help more usefully? > > > >Go home... ;-) > > > >Bigger ones like: > > > >http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/index.html > >http://www.suretecsystems.com/docs/proxy-guide-en/proxy-guide-en.xml > > > >I do, but the smaller ones, are sometimes easier to do the other way. > > I'm still a bit confused then, > what is the other way you're referring to please? I meant the smaller howtos on Fedoranews.org. The proxy one is one I did for myself and another admin. > Or could I help with markup of the 'smaller' ones? > (section/sect3 or whatever they are) for integration > into a larger document? Now I don't get this bit? ^^^^^^ - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAQ32FgNqd7Kng8UoRAst3AJoD0Xktl2yVGlZQqOzHacy/fE5OqACePyBR nmOP3eFe6aijaNoNYweCs50= =x8L5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tfox at redhat.com Mon Mar 1 22:04:31 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 17:04:31 -0500 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078178670.6101.300.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 17:56, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > One last thing, > > Since we use your css, is there anyway of tagging our howtos in such a way as > too convert the html back to docbock? > > They are written in html, but it is just a thought, as this would save > converting the whole lot. > Well, if you can write a parsing script, there is always a way. If you are asking if I know of a way or have a script, then the answer is no. I've never had the need to go from HTML to DocBook thus far. Tammy > - -- > Kind Regards, > Gavin Henry. > > http://www.magicfx.co.uk > http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry > http://www.suretecsystems.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAPnmrgNqd7Kng8UoRAnRAAJ0esauTw4x6NYOYY7iZ0Db2vc0slwCg1mC2 > rEISw3wezFUGIzbjthM1q/8= > =lwXx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 2 17:30:30 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:30:30 +0000 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <1078178670.6101.300.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <1078178670.6101.300.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040302172925.026d0f30@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 22:04 01/03/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: >Well, if you can write a parsing script, there is always a way. If you >are asking if I know of a way or have a script, then the answer is no. >I've never had the need to go from HTML to DocBook thus far. You are in a minority Tammy. There is more html out there than docbook! Honest. regards DaveP From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 3 20:27:25 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 03 Mar 2004 12:27:25 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Karsten Wade Message-ID: <1078345645.3021.333.camel@erato.phig.org> Following the format of the Fedora Project self-intro (http://www.fedora.us/wiki/SelfIntroduction) and the example of Mike MacCana. The wordiness is all my fault: 1. Full legal name - Karsten Wade 2. Country, City - USA, Santa Cruz (.ca.us) 3. Profession - Technical Writer 4. Company - Red Hat, Inc. 5. My goals in the Fedora docs project are: * Support the team in whatever way I can, including technical, QA, editorial, wordsmithee, professional, community, etc. * Provide useful documentation for Fedora Core users, administrators, and developers, starting with the form of tutorials and HOWTOs. * Personally author and maintain one to several tutorials or HOWTOs (no big ideas yet, although I am about to do an x2x implementation, so will likely start with that). * Assist with the dox toolchain, build environment, and contributor guidelines. 6. My historical qualifications: Work at Red Hat: * Author, edit, and/or maintain guides for developers (Java API), system administrators, application admins, and end-users for Red Hat Applications WAF and CMS (n?e ArsDigita Community System aka ACS). http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/rhea/ and http://rhea.redhat.com/. These guides are a collaborative effort with the developers. Because I am not a programmer, the developer guide required a close relationship with the programmers, who assist by authoring some content directly into the DocBook SGML. My tasks have included massive editing of others' work, reworking of old materials, technical QA, testing, generation of new content, modernization and standardization of SGML, and extensive usage of the many OO tags in DocBook. * Focusing on SELinux implementation and documentation; nothing produced yet. * Professional services (PS) team as a systems consultant and project writer, doing assessments, implementations, the bulk of the major project writing tasks for 50+ PS consultants, setting standards, and working with lots of customers. Work at VA Linux Systems: * Same as PS work at Red Hat. Also worked on community oriented projects such as a presentation explaining the benefits of the open source development methodology. Other qualifications/skills: * As a lifelong writer, I've studied journalism, creative writing, and literature. * Experienced in many aspects of IT, from end-user through to business decision makers. RHCE (RHL 8.0), system administration generalist, and former Windows sysadmin. No computer languages known. Lots of work with DocBook SGML, some with XML, DSSSL, XSL, and CSS. 7. GPG KEYID and fingerprint This is my personal gpg key: pub 1024D/AD0E0C41 2003-11-26 Karsten G. Wade (quaid|phig) Key fingerprint = 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 sub 1024g/C07806E8 2003-11-26 -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From linux at bytebot.net Thu Mar 4 11:26:57 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:26:57 +0800 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] Message-ID: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> Folks, it might not seem all that obvious that folks need to post requests for more jargon busting to fedora-docs-list at redhat.com ? I've told Mike & Tracy already, so that saves everyone else the trouble of writing back! But maybe we should make it more friendly? Regards -----Forwarded Message----- > From: Mike & Tracy > To: colin at fedoranews.org > Subject: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'? > Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 22:21:51 +1100 > > Hi, > > Thanks for the link to the jargon buster - great... I couldn't work out > how to post requests, though. > > I've read on kernel RC-series release notes (Linux Today, etc) about > patches to the kernel called 'oops'... Can you tell me if this is an > acronym, or is it just a 'silly bug'. > > PS: This is a serious Q. > > Thanks, > Mike -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://training.bytebot.net/ - OpenOffice.org Training http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Thu Mar 4 18:18:39 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:18:39 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 11:26 04/03/2004, Colin Charles wrote: >Folks, it might not seem all that obvious that folks need to post >requests for more jargon busting to fedora-docs-list at redhat.com ? > >I've told Mike & Tracy already, so that saves everyone else the trouble >of writing back! But maybe we should make it more friendly? I'm more than will to add odd entries. Colin, are you suggesting we need a line or two in the jargon buster? 'Mail us if you want your next TLA or lump of jargon explaining'? That sort of thing? No problem.... If I can get a bit of a how to on getting the darned thing out of CVS :-) I know Tammy tidied it up prior to putting it on site. kernel, That bit in the middle that tastes better than the shell? regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Thu Mar 4 18:26:38 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:26:38 +0000 Subject: REquest for documentation. Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181900.026e1a08@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Pretty please. I've spent the last week or so in my spare time trying to find a way to get 'direct' email working, without the convenience of Evolution. Some very helpful sites about individual bits and pieces. http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/howto/RH-postfix-HOWTO/book1.html is out of date for current postfix, sendmail-cf is well documented by an Irish website, but totally standalone. http://ii.best.vwh.net/internet/robots/procmail/qs/ is good, but only in isolation Request please for a grand overview, along the lines of These are the bits needed. for piece A, choose from For piece B, choose from ... These are some friendly links for ... new users. Any takers? I'd love to beta test it. TIA, DaveP From bas at lmv-clan.nl Thu Mar 4 21:19:46 2004 From: bas at lmv-clan.nl (Bas Bosman) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:19:46 +0100 Subject: Problem with upgrading the fedora core 1 install Message-ID: <000001c4022e$6b7c5cc0$0a01a8c0@bas> Hi, I've installed fedora core 1 recently and I tried to upgrade it, I wanted to add the gcc c compiler and some other things so I booted the system with fedora cd1 and choose to upgrade the install, but I was never asked to select what to install exactly, instead it just started installing. I've tried a couple of things with the bootloader but no option was working. So the question is how do I upgrade? Thanks, Bas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From forrestx.taylor at intel.com Thu Mar 4 21:51:39 2004 From: forrestx.taylor at intel.com (Taylor, ForrestX) Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:51:39 -0800 Subject: Problem with upgrading the fedora core 1 install In-Reply-To: <000001c4022e$6b7c5cc0$0a01a8c0@bas> References: <000001c4022e$6b7c5cc0$0a01a8c0@bas> Message-ID: <1078437099.28765.2.camel@bad.jf.intel.com> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 13:19, Bas Bosman wrote: > I???ve installed fedora core 1 recently and I tried to upgrade it, I > wanted to add the gcc c compiler and some other things so I booted the > system with fedora cd1 and choose to upgrade the install, but I was > never asked to select what to install exactly, instead it just started > installing. > > I???ve tried a couple of things with the bootloader but no option was > working. So the question is how do I upgrade? This question belongs on the fedora-list, not the fedora-docs-list. Install gcc using redhat-config-packages--Red Hat-->System Settings-->Add/Remove Applications. Click on Development Tools, and gcc will be installed. Forrest From bas at lmv-clan.nl Thu Mar 4 21:54:04 2004 From: bas at lmv-clan.nl (Bas Bosman) Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:54:04 +0100 Subject: Problem with upgrading the fedora core 1 install In-Reply-To: <1078437099.28765.2.camel@bad.jf.intel.com> Message-ID: <000e01c40233$365f7630$0a01a8c0@bas> Ok sorry for that, i'm new to this. Problem is I don?t run an GUI version -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-admin at redhat.com] Namens Taylor, ForrestX Verzonden: donderdag 4 maart 2004 22:52 Aan: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Onderwerp: Re: Problem with upgrading the fedora core 1 install On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 13:19, Bas Bosman wrote: > I???ve installed fedora core 1 recently and I tried to upgrade it, I > wanted to add the gcc c compiler and some other things so I booted the > system with fedora cd1 and choose to upgrade the install, but I was > never asked to select what to install exactly, instead it just started > installing. > > I???ve tried a couple of things with the bootloader but no option was > working. So the question is how do I upgrade? This question belongs on the fedora-list, not the fedora-docs-list. Install gcc using redhat-config-packages--Red Hat-->System Settings-->Add/Remove Applications. Click on Development Tools, and gcc will be installed. Forrest -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From linux at bytebot.net Fri Mar 5 07:20:12 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:20:12 +0800 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078471075.1157.237.camel@hermione> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 02:18, Dave Pawson wrote: > Colin, are you suggesting we need a line or two in the jargon buster? Yup. > 'Mail us if you want your next TLA or lump of jargon explaining'? > > That sort of thing? Exactly :) Thanks. -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ http://training.bytebot.net/ - OpenOffice.org Training http://fedoranews.org/colin/fnu/ - Fedora News Updates From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Mar 5 10:17:24 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:17:24 +0000 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) Message-ID: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> There have been various patches to maximum rpm to update it. These have all been checked in and I've built the html here: http://rpm-devel.colug.net/max-rpm/ I've just added %defattr, I hope to rewrite the pgp section to reflect the internal openpgp implementation. I am happy to take, review and merge patches as well as contributing myself. The plan is to update Maximum RPM to rpm 4.3, include color, selinux and friends. The source for "Maximum RPM" is available through CVS as well: cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.rpm.org:/cvs/devel login (no password, just carriage return) cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.rpm.org:/cvs/devel get max-rpm Thanks Paul From joden at lee.k12.nc.us Fri Mar 5 11:52:20 2004 From: joden at lee.k12.nc.us (James Olin Oden) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 06:52:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Paul Nasrat wrote: > There have been various patches to maximum rpm to update it. These have all > been checked in and I've built the html here: > > http://rpm-devel.colug.net/max-rpm/ > > I've just added %defattr, I hope to rewrite the pgp section to reflect the > internal openpgp implementation. > An in the middle of all the other things going on, I probably should send you some patch on the tran rollback stuff if its not already there (-; Cheers...james From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Fri Mar 5 12:06:36 2004 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:06:36 +0100 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> Paul Nasrat wrote : > There have been various patches to maximum rpm to update it. These have all > been checked in and I've built the html here: > > http://rpm-devel.colug.net/max-rpm/ > > I've just added %defattr, I hope to rewrite the pgp section to reflect the > internal openpgp implementation. > > I am happy to take, review and merge patches as well as contributing myself. > > The plan is to update Maximum RPM to rpm 4.3, include color, selinux and > friends. I see my name there, have you taken the small changes I had made available on freshrpms.net when I tried to resurrect it myself? If not, you are more than welcome to! http://freshrpms.net/docs/max-rpm/ > The source for "Maximum RPM" is available through CVS as well: > > cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.rpm.org:/cvs/devel login > (no password, just carriage return) > cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.rpm.org:/cvs/devel get max-rpm I've set up a subversion server yesterday. Would you be interested in importing the current stuff into it and work on from there? It could also be the perfect occasion for me to implement a script in svn for the first time in order to have an online html version updated after every commit. Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.6.3-1.116 Load : 2.58 2.06 1.76 From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Mar 5 13:23:45 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:23:45 +0000 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> Message-ID: <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:06:36PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > Paul Nasrat wrote : > > http://rpm-devel.colug.net/max-rpm/ > I see my name there, have you taken the small changes I had made available > on freshrpms.net when I tried to resurrect it myself? If not, you are more > than welcome to! > > http://freshrpms.net/docs/max-rpm/ Yes those have been merged for a while. Hence adding you as a contributor. :) Still lots to do, but it's something I care about, and there is certainly enough todo. I pushed to rpm-devel as a focal point, as providing access relatively easy and users comment drove me to do minor update. > I've set up a subversion server yesterday. Would you be interested in > importing the current stuff into it and work on from there? It could also be > the perfect occasion for me to implement a script in svn for the first time > in order to have an online html version updated after every commit. I don't have access to the cvs tree directly so cvs2svn would be painful. However I think moving to svn is on the cards, if it does happen will let you know. Paul From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Mar 5 13:25:29 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:25:29 +0000 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20040305132528.GF16792@lichen.truemesh.com> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 06:52:20AM -0500, James Olin Oden wrote: > On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > There have been various patches to maximum rpm to update it. These have all > > been checked in and I've built the html here: > > > > http://rpm-devel.colug.net/max-rpm/ > > > > I've just added %defattr, I hope to rewrite the pgp section to reflect the > > internal openpgp implementation. > > > An in the middle of all the other things going on, I probably should send > you some patch on the tran rollback stuff if its not already there (-; That would be good. Oh and I guess I should add about solvedb and --aid. Paul From thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net Fri Mar 5 14:20:48 2004 From: thias at spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.spam.egg.and.spam.freshrpms.net (Matthias Saou) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 15:20:48 +0100 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <20040305152048.0bcf9490@localhost> Paul Nasrat wrote : > > I've set up a subversion server yesterday. Would you be interested in > > importing the current stuff into it and work on from there? It could also be > > the perfect occasion for me to implement a script in svn for the first time > > in order to have an online html version updated after every commit. > > I don't have access to the cvs tree directly so cvs2svn would be painful. > However I think moving to svn is on the cards, if it does happen will let you > know. Well, when I wanted to get the development of Maximum RPM started again, I really wanted to put it into a repository where people could commit directly, which I never did since I never got down to setting up my own public CVS server... but it is now possible since I now installed a public SVN server which I intended exactly for things like this. I don't think the max-rpm copy in cvs.rpm.org actually contains much version information (it was just imported and left there, right? or am I wrong and was it developed using CVS all along?). So if you want to start collaborative max-rpm development right away, I'd really like to import the current version into that SVN repository. If later on there is a different, more "official" wrt rpm SVN repository, it'll be trivial to move the project over while preserving all the version information. What do you think? The repository is here : https://svn.rpmforge.net/ Matthias -- Clean custom Red Hat Linux rpm packages : http://freshrpms.net/ Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux kernel 2.6.3-1.116 Load : 1.34 1.13 0.66 From pauln at truemesh.com Fri Mar 5 14:50:43 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:50:43 +0000 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305152048.0bcf9490@localhost> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305152048.0bcf9490@localhost> Message-ID: <20040305145042.GG16792@lichen.truemesh.com> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 03:20:48PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > Paul Nasrat wrote : > Well, when I wanted to get the development of Maximum RPM started again, I > really wanted to put it into a repository where people could commit directly, I think we agree on this front and I'm happy to move to subversion too, as are various of the other contributors. > I don't think the max-rpm copy in cvs.rpm.org actually contains much version > information (it was just imported and left there, right? or am I wrong and > was it developed using CVS all along?). So if you want to start collaborative Earliest stuff is from 1999 http://rpm-devel.colug.net/ChangeLog Probably don't loose that much detail cf the rpm tree. > max-rpm development right away, I'd really like to import the current version > into that SVN repository. If later on there is a different, more "official" > wrt rpm SVN repository, it'll be trivial to move the project over while > preserving all the version information. What do you think? Well it'd be nice to keep things all together wrt rpm development. At the moment the focus is at colug.net http://rpm-devel.colug.net, and I think rather than have to move accounts, etc at a later date I can setup subversion for maximum rpm there. Poke me off list for an account, or if you do irc I'm on #rpm. > The repository is here : https://svn.rpmforge.net/ Thanks for the offer, normally I would just have set up with that, but we've just had the discussion about moving all of rpm to subversion so it'd make sense to get this underway on colug. Hopefully do today/this weekend. Paul From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Fri Mar 5 17:54:57 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 17:54:57 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <1078471075.1157.237.camel@hermione> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078471075.1157.237.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040305175301.025dbf88@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 07:20 05/03/2004, you wrote: >On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 02:18, Dave Pawson wrote: > > > Colin, are you suggesting we need a line or two in the jargon buster? > >Yup. > > > 'Mail us if you want your next TLA or lump of jargon explaining'? > > > > That sort of thing? > >Exactly :) ... An changing the subject... I came across http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/03/03/sgmlwiki.html and got it working. Apparently Rick is thinking along the same lines. wiki input, xml output. I'll document it sooner rather than later. Its really scary :-) regards DaveP From tfox at redhat.com Fri Mar 5 18:32:41 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 13:32:41 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 13:18, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 11:26 04/03/2004, Colin Charles wrote: > >Folks, it might not seem all that obvious that folks need to post > >requests for more jargon busting to fedora-docs-list at redhat.com ? > > > >I've told Mike & Tracy already, so that saves everyone else the trouble > >of writing back! But maybe we should make it more friendly? > > I'm more than will to add odd entries. > > Colin, are you suggesting we need a line or two in the jargon buster? > > > 'Mail us if you want your next TLA or lump of jargon explaining'? > > That sort of thing? > > No problem.... If I can get a bit of a how to on getting > the darned thing out of CVS :-) > I know Tammy tidied it up prior to putting it on site. > The instructions on http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ should work. If not, let me know. Tammy > kernel, > That bit in the middle that tastes better than the shell? > > regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sat Mar 6 16:36:51 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 16:36:51 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306163531.025e7ba0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 18:32 05/03/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > 'Mail us if you want your next TLA or lump of jargon explaining'? > > > > That sort of thing? What should the mail-to be Tammy? I'm assuming this list is subscribed only? May not seem worthwhile if its only 'what does kernel mean'? regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sat Mar 6 19:10:24 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:10:24 +0000 Subject: twiki format to docbook Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> The article on xml.com, http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/03/03/sgmlwiki.html provoked me into trying it out. I didn't work with SGML for long, and this piece is just a little on the esoteric side. The basics are that the wiki text is regular, hence parsable. SGML has a wierd set of characteristics such that "ldldldl" can be interpreted as the tag named quote, the content ldldldl and the end tag for quote. As I said, wierd. Similarly, newline---+ can be interpreted as a level one heading, etc. Anyway, so far I've got a working version for the twiki syntax but I'm wondering if its a worthwhile addition to the fedora docs toolkit? The only tool is a couple of text files, and an application from James Clark. Its part of the sp toolkit http://www.jclark.com/sp/ http://www.jclark.com/sp/sx.htm documents it. The process is fairly simple. 1. Add two lines to the wiki content, 2. Parse it as an SGML file... using sx, which then produces an XML file. Its then two minutes to wrap it up in a proper article header using XSLT and submit it. It may lead to the need to keep wiki contents fairly straightforward, e.g. inter page wiki links or WikiWord links as twiki calls them, won't tranfer quite so easily. If one of the people using the wiki could point out a fairly complex page I'll try it out and report the results. regards DaveP Old enough to have used SGML :-) From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sat Mar 6 20:03:31 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:03:31 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306163531.025e7ba0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040306163531.025e7ba0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306194203.026d99c8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Anyone know what the filename is for the glossary in cvs please? cvs -co ????? I've tried fedora-glossary jargon-buster but no luck. I can't find a command that lists available modules either. Any help appreciated. regards DaveP From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 6 22:03:11 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 06 Mar 2004 14:03:11 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306194203.026d99c8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040306163531.025e7ba0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040306194203.026d99c8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078610590.3021.4782.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 12:03, Dave Pawson wrote: > Anyone know what the filename is for the glossary in cvs please? > > cvs -co ????? > > I've tried fedora-glossary jargon-buster > but no luck. It's in the fedora-docs module. Just do 'cd fedora-docs/ && cvs up'. > I can't find a command that lists available modules either. If the modules module is up to date, you can get the full list with 'cvs co -c'. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 6 22:06:34 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 06 Mar 2004 14:06:34 -0800 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:10, Dave Pawson wrote: > It may lead to the need to keep wiki contents fairly straightforward, > e.g. inter page wiki links or WikiWord links as twiki calls them, > won't tranfer quite so easily. That's a bummer. One of the great values of a WikiWiki is being able to create an organic linked set of documents, without having to deal much in markup esoterica. Otherwise, it's just a mildly fancier version of structured text. > Old enough to have used SGML :-) Word - Karsten -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sun Mar 7 09:38:28 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 09:38:28 +0000 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 22:06 06/03/2004, Karsten Wade wrote: >On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 11:10, Dave Pawson wrote: > > > It may lead to the need to keep wiki contents fairly straightforward, > > e.g. inter page wiki links or WikiWord links as twiki calls them, > > won't tranfer quite so easily. > >That's a bummer. One of the great values of a WikiWiki is being able to >create an organic linked set of documents, without having to deal much >in markup esoterica. Otherwise, it's just a mildly fancier version of >structured text. If that was the deliverable fine. If someone could write a sed script to markup those wikiwords into something usable?? Given a set of documents which needed conversion I guess its possible, but I'd guess that a suite of documents isn't ready at the same time? Or am I wrong? Either way, this is going to give us an 80% move in the right direction, which is nicer than a kick in the teeth :-) regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sun Mar 7 10:10:17 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 10:10:17 +0000 Subject: project website link problem? Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ says Some other interesting Bugzilla queries: * All open bugs for fedora-docs * The requests for enhancements (RFEs) for fedora-docs I was going to use that for a request to add my word, link, on the jargon-buster (now I've got it out of cvs - tks Karsten). But it appears (to me) to be a link to the bug reporting page? Is that as it should be? Even at that page, fedora docs doesn't appear as a valid project. (Am I repeating what's been already said on this list? It sounds familiar) regards DaveP From bas at lmv-clan.nl Sun Mar 7 22:08:42 2004 From: bas at lmv-clan.nl (Bas Bosman) Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:08:42 +0100 Subject: Sendmail question Message-ID: <000e01c40490$c061c090$0a01a8c0@bas> Hi, I'm trying to run a mail server and it accepts mail from all users when I'm sending a mail from my outlook. I don't want this. 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Tom From bhaskins at chartermi.net Mon Mar 8 12:11:45 2004 From: bhaskins at chartermi.net (Bert Haskins) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:11:45 -0500 Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c40490$c061c090$0a01a8c0@bas> Message-ID: <404C6301.70009@chartermi.net> Hi Tom: Just HOW do you get on the Fedora list? I have submitted my "subscribe" at least eight times over a two month period and have not received any news yet. Thanks, Bert Tom Diehl wrote: >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Bas Bosman wrote: > > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm trying to run a mail server and it accepts mail from all users when >>I'm sending a mail from my outlook. I don't want this. So the question >>is how do I get sendmail to verify a user before accepting and sending >>an e-mail? >> >> > >Ask on the correct list. This list is for the development of Fedora >documentation. Try the Fedora-list. > >Tom > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david911 at verizon.net Mon Mar 8 13:40:32 2004 From: david911 at verizon.net (David Gardner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 07:40:32 -0600 Subject: Sendmail question References: <000e01c40490$c061c090$0a01a8c0@bas> Message-ID: <000601c40512$eda6d360$478a2204@dslverizon.net> virius ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Diehl" To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Sendmail question > On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Bas Bosman wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to run a mail server and it accepts mail from all users when > > I'm sending a mail from my outlook. I don't want this. So the question > > is how do I get sendmail to verify a user before accepting and sending > > an e-mail? > > Ask on the correct list. This list is for the development of Fedora > documentation. Try the Fedora-list. > > Tom > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Mar 8 17:05:44 2004 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:05:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: <404C6301.70009@chartermi.net> References: <000e01c40490$c061c090$0a01a8c0@bas> <404C6301.70009@chartermi.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Bert Haskins wrote: Hi, > Just HOW do you get on the Fedora list? > I have submitted my "subscribe" at least eight times > over a two month period and have not received > any news yet. The same way you got on this list and the rpm list. For fedora it is: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list If that does not work then try sending mail to the list administrator listed on the above page. HTH, Tom From tille at soti.org Mon Mar 8 18:00:53 2004 From: tille at soti.org (Machtelt Garrels) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:00:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: <404C6301.70009@chartermi.net> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Bert Haskins wrote: > Hi Tom: > Just HOW do you get on the Fedora list? > I have submitted my "subscribe" at least eight times > over a two month period and have not received > any news yet. While we're at it: how do you get off it? I forgot my password and the help from the request address does not match the actual situation... Tille. - -- My Penguin, my freedom. http://tille.soti.org Reduce spam: don't use Outlook (Express), main spreader of viruses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFATLTYsIIUbMXbBA8RAjvDAJ40DHc16hfxRzh1VmJqoCb8QPxmGgCfVmaZ g/lFFfcbXIjGWZNsrTiB4s8= =/Lq7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com Mon Mar 8 18:19:25 2004 From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:19:25 -0800 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1078769964.3201.3.camel@glaptop> On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 05:23, Paul Nasrat wrote: > On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:06:36PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > > I've set up a subversion server yesterday. Would you be interested in > > importing the current stuff into it and work on from there? It could also be > > the perfect occasion for me to implement a script in svn for the first time > > in order to have an online html version updated after every commit. > > I don't have access to the cvs tree directly so cvs2svn would be painful. > However I think moving to svn is on the cards, if it does happen will let you > know. On the other hand, I'm the CVS server admin for cvs.rpm.org, so I do have access. Jeff seems quite keen on moving to SVN, so that will be on our list after migration to new hardware. I haven't actually looked at how many changes are really tracked in CVS, but it's easy enough to do from just the CVS interface, if somebody has time. Greg From pauln at truemesh.com Mon Mar 8 18:20:21 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:20:21 +0000 Subject: Maximum RPM updates patches welcome ;) In-Reply-To: <1078769964.3201.3.camel@glaptop> References: <20040305101723.GD16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <20040305130636.7db47040@localhost> <20040305132337.GE16792@lichen.truemesh.com> <1078769964.3201.3.camel@glaptop> Message-ID: <20040308182020.GG16792@lichen.truemesh.com> On Mon, Mar 08, 2004 at 10:19:25AM -0800, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 05:23, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 01:06:36PM +0100, Matthias Saou wrote: > > > I've set up a subversion server yesterday. Would you be interested in > > > importing the current stuff into it and work on from there? It could also be > > I don't have access to the cvs tree directly so cvs2svn would be painful. > > However I think moving to svn is on the cards, if it does happen will let you > > know. > On the other hand, I'm the CVS server admin for cvs.rpm.org, so I do > have access. Ah cool. > Jeff seems quite keen on moving to SVN, so that will be on > our list after migration to new hardware. Excellent. Obviously as cvs.gnome.org is in the same place I imagine that some planning for server migration is required :) > I haven't actually looked at > how many changes are really tracked in CVS, but it's easy enough to do > from just the CVS interface, if somebody has time. I've had a look at max-rpm there isn't that much there. If it's possible could I get a tar.gz/bz2 of /cvs/devel/max-rpm to setup a test environment with subversion. If cvs.rpm.org is going to move eventually having played a bit with related content might be useful. I'll understand if this in unfeasible atm. Paul From pmasters at sykescanada.com Mon Mar 8 18:31:55 2004 From: pmasters at sykescanada.com (Patrick Masters) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:31:55 -0500 Subject: Enable loadable module support in Fedora kernel Message-ID: Hi All, I've been beating my head off the wall for over a week to try and figure this out. I apologize if I have the wrong list, but I'm sure this is the right list. Just to start, I have searched far and wide, Fedora lists, Google, etc, etc, etc.... I am trying to compile drbd-0.6.10 on Fedora Core 1. It seems that "Loadable Module Support" is disabled in the default kernel. [root at calolnxpxe01 drbd]# make clean all rm -f *.[oas] *.ko .*.cmd .*.d .*.tmp *.mod.c .*.flags .depend .kernelrelease Calling toplevel makefile of kernel source tree, which I believe is in KDIR=/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/build NOTE: please ignore warnings regarding overriding of SUBDIRS make -C /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/build SUBDIRS=/usr/src/drbd-0.6.10/drbd modules make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl' The present kernel configuration has modules disabled. Type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. Then build a kernel with module support enabled. make[1]: *** [modules] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl' make: *** [kbuild] Error 2 [root at calolnxpxe01 drbd]# Although when I do "make menuconfig" in the kernel source, "Loadable Module Support" seems to be enabled already. So if I save the kernel, even when I didn't actually change anything and do a "make dep" and then try to compile drbd-0.6.10, it compiles no problem, but since this new custom kernel is actually not installed (linux-2.4.22-1.2174.nptlcustom) the drbd module fails to load. Is there an easy way to get this going, as I am not sure how to install the new kernel. I know that I need to do some copying and linking etc, but not sure of all the steps. Is there a document somewhere that will explain how to do this in Fedora. Or an easier way to get this to work out of the box. Any insite would be much appreciated and I do apologize for my kernel newbieness.....;-) Respectfully ______________________________ Patrick Masters Network/System Admin, CCNA Sykes Canada Corporation pmasters at sykescanada.com office: 519-646-3483 fax: 519-434-8004 From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 8 18:36:16 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 08 Mar 2004 10:36:16 -0800 Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1078770975.3402.1089.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:00, Machtelt Garrels wrote: > While we're at it: how do you get off it? I forgot my password and the > help from the request address does not match the actual situation... Arrgh! The helper in me is at odds with the topicmaster!! The former wants to provide an answer, the latter wants to help others learn to fish. Oh, well, perhaps if I'm just helpful ye old gods will shine down on me, or something. http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list ... at the bottom of the page is a line that says: "To change your subscription (set options like digest and delivery modes, get a reminder of your password, or unsubscribe from fedora-list), enter your subscription email address:" Then a field you can put your email address in, then click Edit Options. On the following page, look for "Email My Password To Me". Once you have that password, return to that page to Unsubscribe. hth - Karsten -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Mar 8 19:44:58 2004 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:44:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Enable loadable module support in Fedora kernel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 2004, Patrick Masters wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been beating my head off the wall for over a week to try and figure > this out. I apologize if I have the wrong list, but I'm sure this is the > right list. You are right, it IS the wrong list. If I knew the correct answer I would tell you but I do not. Try the Fedora list. This list is for those that wish to contribute to the Fedora-docs project. > Just to start, I have searched far and wide, Fedora lists, Google, etc, etc, > etc.... > > I am trying to compile drbd-0.6.10 on Fedora Core 1. It seems that > "Loadable Module Support" is disabled in the default kernel. No it is not. The default kernel relies heavily on modules. > > [root at calolnxpxe01 drbd]# make clean all > rm -f *.[oas] *.ko .*.cmd .*.d .*.tmp *.mod.c .*.flags .depend > .kernelrelease > > Calling toplevel makefile of kernel source tree, which I believe is in > KDIR=/lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/build > NOTE: please ignore warnings regarding overriding of SUBDIRS > > make -C /lib/modules/2.4.22-1.2174.nptl/build > SUBDIRS=/usr/src/drbd-0.6.10/drbd modules > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22-1.2174.nptl' > > The present kernel configuration has modules disabled. > Type 'make config' and enable loadable module support. > Then build a kernel with module support enabled. You must have changed something. It is not disabled in the default kernel. HTH, Tom From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 8 20:41:55 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 08 Mar 2004 12:41:55 -0800 Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: <1078770975.3402.1089.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1078770975.3402.1089.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1078778514.3158.13.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:36, Karsten Wade wrote: > Arrgh! The helper in me is at odds with the topicmaster!! The former > wants to provide an answer, the latter wants to help others learn to > fish. > > Oh, well, perhaps if I'm just helpful ye old gods will shine down on me, > or something. Double-argh! That sounded l4m3 instead of funny. Even if I had put in a smiley or two, it still didn't have the right "ring" to it. Sorry, Machtelt. Maybe it was just too early in the morning for me. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From tfox at redhat.com Mon Mar 8 21:48:25 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:48:25 -0500 Subject: project website link problem? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078782505.6080.44.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 05:10, Dave Pawson wrote: > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ > > says > Some other interesting Bugzilla queries: > * > All > open bugs for fedora-docs > * > The > requests for enhancements (RFEs) for fedora-docs > > I was going to use that for a request to add my word, link, > on the jargon-buster (now I've got it out of cvs - tks Karsten). > But it appears (to me) to be a link to the bug reporting page? > > Is that as it should be? > Even at that page, fedora docs doesn't appear as a valid project. > (Am I repeating what's been already said on this list? > It sounds familiar) > > regards DaveP Well, it is supposed to be a real component. ;-) I'll submit another request to add it as a component. Once it actually exists, it is probably the best way to submit additions for the Fedora Jargon doc so we can keep track of them. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Mon Mar 8 22:29:16 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:29:16 -0500 Subject: project website link problem? In-Reply-To: <1078782505.6080.44.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078782505.6080.44.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1078784956.6080.62.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 16:48, Tammy Fox wrote: > On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 05:10, Dave Pawson wrote: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ > > > > says > > Some other interesting Bugzilla queries: > > * > > All > > open bugs for fedora-docs > > * > > The > > requests for enhancements (RFEs) for fedora-docs > > > > I was going to use that for a request to add my word, link, > > on the jargon-buster (now I've got it out of cvs - tks Karsten). > > But it appears (to me) to be a link to the bug reporting page? > > > > Is that as it should be? > > Even at that page, fedora docs doesn't appear as a valid project. > > (Am I repeating what's been already said on this list? > > It sounds familiar) > > > > regards DaveP > > Well, it is supposed to be a real component. ;-) I'll submit another > request to add it as a component. Once it actually exists, it is > probably the best way to submit additions for the Fedora Jargon doc so > we can keep track of them. > > Tammy OK. fedora-docs actually exists now under the Fedora Core product. Please use it to fill bugs or RFEs against existing Fedora docs so we can keep track of them. As they come in, I'll cc the actual maintainer. Tammy From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Mar 9 14:46:41 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:46:41 -0500 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> Dave Pawson wrote: > If that was the deliverable fine. > If someone could write a sed script to markup those wikiwords > into something usable?? > Given a set of documents which needed conversion I guess its possible, > but I'd guess that a suite of documents isn't ready at the same time? > Or am I wrong? a couple of us are working on a 'customizing anaconda' doc and we are using a twiki format which sounds the same as wiki (format is consistent anyway - therefore parseable). feel free to run any tests you want using our docs as a base ... the reason we chose a twiki was because we are all terrified of using SGML and Emacs - and the twiki syntax is super easy to learn ... If there was a tool to convert a finished wiki/twiki doc into docbook - that would make the whole process SOOO much easier for the majority of people - and we would have alot more docs produced as a nice bonus! personally - i took a quick look at the fedora-doc tutorial but i bombed out when it came to Emacs stuff (pretty early that means). I have never touched emacs in my life and i am very happy editing with vi and gedit. I don't want to learn emacs - i know it is powerful and efficient once you get familiar with it - but i honestly don't have the time to get familiar with it! I have already put in years of time learning vi tricks. I also find the emacs interface outdated and counter-intuitive (for a newbie anyway). So after such a rant ... I would just like to say that it would be nice to have something other than just emacs to choose from when creating docs for the fedora-doc project. If a wiki/twiki converter is possible, or something else (conglomerate?) then bring in on!! -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From jeffrey.d.kowing at nasa.gov Tue Mar 9 17:27:20 2004 From: jeffrey.d.kowing at nasa.gov (Jeff Kowing) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:27:20 -0600 Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: <68711700@toto.iv> Message-ID: <16461.65144.973909.988190@igor.jsc.nasa.gov> Karsten Wade writes: > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:36, Karsten Wade wrote: > Double-argh! That sounded l4m3 instead of funny. Even if I had put in > a smiley or two, it still didn't have the right "ring" to it. > > Sorry, Machtelt. Maybe it was just too early in the morning for > me. :) I think you guys and your hard work are great. And this is one of the most friendly lists I've ever lurked on. On some other lists I'm on (which shall remain nameless) you would be attacked for being so nice with your reply. Regards. -- Jeff Kowing All opinions expressed are my own and not of my employer. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 9 17:41:49 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 09 Mar 2004 09:41:49 -0800 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <1078854109.3158.3709.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 06:46, Paul Pianta wrote: > personally - i took a quick look at the fedora-doc tutorial but i bombed > out when it came to Emacs stuff (pretty early that means). I have never > touched emacs in my life and i am very happy editing with vi and gedit. > I don't want to learn emacs - i know it is powerful and efficient once > you get familiar with it - but i honestly don't have the time to get > familiar with it! I have already put in years of time learning vi > tricks. I also find the emacs interface outdated and counter-intuitive > (for a newbie anyway). > > So after such a rant ... I would just like to say that it would be nice > to have something other than just emacs to choose from when creating > docs for the fedora-doc project. If a wiki/twiki converter is possible, > or something else (conglomerate?) then bring in on!! Just wanted to take a chance to reiterate a point I've made, lost in the noise. Because Norm Walsh is an Emacs user, and because of the power of pSGML (and now nXML) modes, learning DocBook is very easy in Emacs. However ... You do not have to use Emacs to author/edit DocBook. You just need to conform to the DocBook standards. If you parse your document against the DTD, then indenting should be consistent. I'm sure there are keybindings and other DocBook tools for Vi. Perhaps someone who prefers to use Vi could make a tutorial on using Vi for DocBook with the Fedora docs project toolchain. :) There is still the hurdle of learning DocBook. But considering that it is basically the Linux documentation standard of the moment (i.e., what the Linux Doc Project uses), this is a useful skill that will help with more than Fedora documentation. It's easier to learn than HTML (because there are no exceptions and funky browser specific rules). You have a nicely working toolchain, so you don't have to overcome the "getting it to render" problems. There are several good DocBook authors who hang out on #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net, so please come by and ask for assistance while you are learning DocBook. Think about it this way -- it may be easier for you to learn and use Python than C, but Python is not the language for writing kernel code. To make submissions for the kernel, you need to use the right language and authoring standards. What editor you use is your choice. As long as the end result is to spec, you are fine. Our Doc Guide should provide that spec for us. If you find that the spec is tied up with Emacs specifics, please file a bugzilla report detailing what needs to be untied. Tammy can assign that one to me, I'd be happy to make the fixes. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade .:. RHCE .:. Sr. Technical Writer .:. kwade at redhat.com www.redhat.com/docs rhea.redhat.com www.redhat.com/solutions/security/SELinux.html 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 9 18:20:32 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:20:32 +0000 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309181659.025b90e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 14:46 09/03/2004, Paul Pianta wrote: >a couple of us are working on a 'customizing anaconda' doc and we are >using a twiki format which sounds the same as wiki (format is consistent >anyway - therefore parseable). > >feel free to run any tests you want using our docs as a base ... Thanks. You pick a couple of pages, I'll try running them. >the reason we chose a twiki was because we are all terrified of using SGML >and Emacs - and the twiki syntax is super easy to learn ... If there was a >tool to convert a finished wiki/twiki doc into docbook - that would make >the whole process SOOO much easier for the majority of people - and we >would have alot more docs produced as a nice bonus! Apart from tables and definition lists I finished the conversion to xml today. $ is some special character, hence no dd/dt processing without work. And yes, it is for twiki :-) Pity you didn't pick another wiki variant, but c'est la vie. >personally - i took a quick look at the fedora-doc tutorial but i bombed >out when it came to Emacs stuff (pretty early that means). Good investment.. honest. Painful, but high rewards in buying the O'Reilly emacs book. > I have never touched emacs in my life and i am very happy editing with > vi and gedit. I don't want to learn emacs - i know it is powerful and > efficient once you get familiar with it - but i honestly don't have the > time to get familiar with it! I have already put in years of time > learning vi tricks. I also find the emacs interface outdated and > counter-intuitive (for a newbie anyway). OK. vim has an xml mode I believe? >So after such a rant ... I would just like to say that it would be nice to >have something other than just emacs to choose from when creating docs for >the fedora-doc project. If a wiki/twiki converter is possible, or >something else (conglomerate?) then bring in on!! Gimme the test files, and I'll be back :-) regards DaveP From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 9 18:27:43 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:27:43 +0000 Subject: project website link problem? In-Reply-To: <1078784956.6080.62.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078782505.6080.44.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <1078784956.6080.62.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309182701.02686e40@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Did you get the yum piece I did Tammy? And I updated the jargon buster, sent it to ....Karsten I think. regards DaveP From tfox at redhat.com Tue Mar 9 18:39:29 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:39:29 -0500 Subject: project website link problem? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309182701.02686e40@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040307100735.025f50f0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078782505.6080.44.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <1078784956.6080.62.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040309182701.02686e40@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078857568.6079.34.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 13:27, Dave Pawson wrote: > Did you get the yum piece I did Tammy? > And I updated the jargon buster, sent it to ....Karsten I think. > > regards DaveP I received the yum piece, and it is on my list of docs to read this week. I haven't seen the jargon buster update. If you send it my way via email or Bugzilla, I'll apply it. Tammy From tfox at redhat.com Tue Mar 9 18:40:45 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:40:45 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora Jargon: What's a kernel 'oops'?] In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306194203.026d99c8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1078399616.1020.202.camel@hermione> <6.0.1.1.2.20040304181524.026d4a20@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078511561.4168.554.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6.0.1.1.2.20040306163531.025e7ba0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <6.0.1.1.2.20040306194203.026d99c8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078857645.6079.36.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Sat, 2004-03-06 at 15:03, Dave Pawson wrote: > Anyone know what the filename is for the glossary in cvs please? > > cvs -co ????? > > I've tried fedora-glossary jargon-buster > but no luck. > > It is in the fedora-docs module under the directory jargon-buster. Tammy > I can't find a command that lists available modules either. > > > Any help appreciated. > > regards DaveP From tfox at redhat.com Tue Mar 9 18:42:02 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:42:02 -0500 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040302172925.026d0f30@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <1078178670.6101.300.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <6.0.1.1.2.20040302172925.026d0f30@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078857722.6079.38.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 12:30, Dave Pawson wrote: > At 22:04 01/03/2004, Tammy Fox wrote: > > >Well, if you can write a parsing script, there is always a way. If you > >are asking if I know of a way or have a script, then the answer is no. > >I've never had the need to go from HTML to DocBook thus far. > > You are in a minority Tammy. > > There is more html out there than docbook! Honest. > > > regards DaveP Sure. I don't doubt that. I, personally, have never had a big enough need. ;-) Tammy From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Tue Mar 9 18:24:00 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 18:24:00 +0000 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <1078854109.3158.3709.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> <1078854109.3158.3709.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309182209.025fe128@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 17:41 09/03/2004, Karsten Wade wrote: >Think about it this way -- it may be easier for you to learn and use >Python than C, but Python is not the language for writing kernel code. But it might help with writing docbook. I got this today on the 4suite list. If you're a python fan? Totally unknown product by me. Quote. We have created a tool which assists document creating tasks. The tool uses 4suite libraries. If you are interested in this tool, you can test at [1] and get the source code at cvs repository. [1] http://tldp.docbook-es.org HTH DaveP From tille at soti.org Tue Mar 9 19:10:46 2004 From: tille at soti.org (Machtelt Garrels) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 13:10:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Fedora list? In-Reply-To: <16461.65144.973909.988190@igor.jsc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Jeff Kowing wrote: > Karsten Wade writes: > > Sorry, Machtelt. Maybe it was just too early in the morning for > > me. :) > > I think you guys and your hard work are great. And this is one of the > most friendly lists I've ever lurked on. On some other lists I'm on > (which shall remain nameless) you would be attacked for being so nice > with your reply. I'm well aware of that. I prepared good filtering but it was not necessary, for which I thank you all. See you later, for now I have way too much work with TLDP, which is also there for the good of humanity ;-) Tille. - -- My Penguin, my freedom. http://tille.soti.org Reduce spam: don't use Outlook (Express), main spreader of viruses. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFATha5sIIUbMXbBA8RAp1sAKCP8A1AiyLcjFh/EMVTNMpMW4DVSQCeNdxy sZJIFelHbQif4l0f2jsR8xs= =QH4w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us Tue Mar 9 22:05:04 2004 From: fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us (Aaron Matteson) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:05:04 -0800 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <20040309220504.25763.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Hi, i would like to introduce myself to this list with my intentions to contribute to it and the documentation effort. I have begun compiling relevant information pertaining to the training and etiquette of the Fedora support mechanism. In the Fedora-list i see far to often the flaming of questions that seem to be pointless and stupid. But as the saying goes: "There are no stupid questions". All the suggestions and information i compile will be used in a support-guide and questions-guide or something along those lines either together or seperately. But this topic i think has gone without at least some effort to contain it long enouph, so i figured it is time to put up or shut up. I have been a linux user and minor developer for some time now, but i have never attempted to write any documentation in any meaningful fashion before, so any suggestions and pointers made be the verterans and bystanders on this list would be gratefully accepted and considered. I will not be alone in writing this, there will be one or two others that are fed up with the support situation as it is (goes without saying the support mechanism is still much much better then most out there already in place). Thanks /aaron -- . 0 . Aaron M Matteson - http://cryptosystem.us . . 0 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, 0 0 0 it should be hard to understand! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not send me HTML emails or attachments containing Microsoft Word documents, Excel documents or Access sheets as they will be automatically forwarded to a mailbox i check infrequently. Thanks. From gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk Tue Mar 9 22:19:25 2004 From: gavin.henry at magicfx.co.uk (Gavin Henry) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:19:25 +0000 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <20040309220504.25763.qmail@mail.avlug.org> References: <20040309220504.25763.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: <200403092219.25791.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> On Tuesday 09 Mar 2004 22:05, Aaron Matteson wrote: > Hi, i would like to introduce myself to this list with my intentions to > contribute to it and the documentation effort. > > I have begun compiling relevant information pertaining to the training > and etiquette of the Fedora support mechanism. In the Fedora-list i see > far to often the flaming of questions that seem to be pointless and > stupid. But as the saying goes: "There are no stupid questions". If you need any help, I too would like somethine like this, but it will be hard to keep it up2date. > > All the suggestions and information i compile will be used in a > support-guide and questions-guide or something along those lines either > together or seperately. > > But this topic i think has gone without at least some effort to contain > it long enouph, so i figured it is time to put up or shut up. > > I have been a linux user and minor developer for some time now, but i > have never attempted to write any documentation in any meaningful fashion > before, so any suggestions and pointers made be the verterans and > bystanders on this list would be gratefully accepted and considered. > > I will not be alone in writing this, there will be one or two others > that are fed up with the support situation as it is (goes without saying > the support mechanism is still much much better then most out there > already in place). > > Thanks > /aaron > -- > . 0 . Aaron M Matteson - http://cryptosystem.us > . . 0 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, > 0 0 0 it should be hard to understand! > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please do not send me HTML emails or attachments containing Microsoft > Word documents, Excel documents or Access sheets as they will be > automatically forwarded to a mailbox i check infrequently. Thanks. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. http://www.magicfx.co.uk http://FedoraNEWS.ORG/ghenry http://www.suretecsystems.com From pantz at lqt.ca Tue Mar 9 22:28:50 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 17:28:50 -0500 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040309181659.025b90e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> <6.0.1.1.2.20040309181659.025b90e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> Message-ID: <404E4522.3040107@lqt.ca> Dave Pawson wrote: > At 14:46 09/03/2004, Paul Pianta wrote: > > >> a couple of us are working on a 'customizing anaconda' doc and we are >> using a twiki format which sounds the same as wiki (format is >> consistent anyway - therefore parseable). >> >> feel free to run any tests you want using our docs as a base ... > > > Thanks. You pick a couple of pages, I'll try running them. Oops forgot to mention that the twiki is at: http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome you could sign up for an account and then have access to the pages - or i can arrange to send them to you by email ... let us know what you prefer ... pantz -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com Wed Mar 10 01:02:59 2004 From: joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com (Joshua Daniel Franklin) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 17:02:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <1078854109.3158.3709.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20040310010259.80600.qmail@web61102.mail.yahoo.com> --- Karsten Wade wrote: > You just need to conform to the DocBook standards. If you parse your > document against the DTD, then indenting should be consistent. I'm sure > there are keybindings and other DocBook tools for Vi. Perhaps someone > who prefers to use Vi could make a tutorial on using Vi for DocBook with > the Fedora docs project toolchain. :) I write DocBook with Vim, so I could probaby come up with something. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From pantz at lqt.ca Wed Mar 10 14:24:12 2004 From: pantz at lqt.ca (Paul Pianta) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:24:12 -0500 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <20040310010259.80600.qmail@web61102.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040310010259.80600.qmail@web61102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404F250C.5030908@lqt.ca> Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: >I write DocBook with Vim, so I could probaby come up with something. > > cool! - looking forward to it! -- Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes ... That way when you do criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes! From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Wed Mar 10 16:51:42 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:51:42 +0000 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <404E4522.3040107@lqt.ca> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040306190148.025e17a8@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <1078610789.3021.4788.camel@erato.phig.org> <6.0.1.1.2.20040307093532.02661f78@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404DD8D1.4030903@lqt.ca> <6.0.1.1.2.20040309181659.025b90e0@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> <404E4522.3040107@lqt.ca> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040310165031.025ba638@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> At 22:28 09/03/2004, you wrote: >>Thanks. You pick a couple of pages, I'll try running them. > >Oops forgot to mention that the twiki is at: >http://rau.homedns.org/twiki/bin/view/Anaconda/WebHome > >you could sign up for an account and then have access to the pages - or i >can arrange to send them to you by email ... > >let us know what you prefer ... I now have it working end to end, with one minor sed needed. I'd like you to choose two or three 'typical' (your definition) pages, and mail them to me please. I'll feed them back either to you or the list, whichever. regards DaveP From gleblanc at linuxweasel.com Thu Mar 11 06:32:50 2004 From: gleblanc at linuxweasel.com (Gregory Leblanc) Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 22:32:50 -0800 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> Message-ID: <1078986769.2075.0.camel@glaptop> On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 14:56, Gavin Henry wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > One last thing, > > Since we use your css, is there anyway of tagging our howtos in such a way as > too convert the html back to docbock? > > They are written in html, but it is just a thought, as this would save > converting the whole lot. There are a couple of things out there that can do the conversion. I forget the names offhand, but they are in the archives of the LDP discuss and/or staff mailing list. Greg From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 11 15:37:28 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 11 Mar 2004 07:37:28 -0800 Subject: recent website changes for docs In-Reply-To: <1078986769.2075.0.camel@glaptop> References: <1077677679.4087.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1077812964.6071.5.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <200402261637.10069.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <200402262256.45530.gavin.henry@magicfx.co.uk> <1078986769.2075.0.camel@glaptop> Message-ID: <1079019447.3158.12300.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2004-03-10 at 22:32, Gregory Leblanc wrote: > On Thu, 2004-02-26 at 14:56, Gavin Henry wrote: > > They are written in html, but it is just a thought, as this would save > > converting the whole lot. > > There are a couple of things out there that can do the conversion. I > forget the names offhand, but they are in the archives of the LDP > discuss and/or staff mailing list. http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ppadala/tidy/ html2db using TidyLib. I've used it multiple times, it works really well. It doesn't do tables, though. :) What you get are mainly good containers, e.g. ,
, etc., and all the special cases are or , which are layout oriented instead of content oriented. But it's easy to fix ('C-c =' in pSGML mode will change the tag). - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From dpawson at nildram.co.uk Sat Mar 13 11:11:47 2004 From: dpawson at nildram.co.uk (Dave Pawson) Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 11:11:47 +0000 Subject: old and new? Twiki to docbook Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040313110634.0266f030@pop3.Nildram.co.uk> http://www.dpawson.co.uk/fedora/oldandnew.html Is the general writeup on using SGML tools to get from twiki to docbook. I've described it in a general way, rather than tayloring it to Fedora usage. Same directory, twikiFedora.xsl, if used instead of twikiStyle.xsl, will produce docbook with all the fedora stuff included. The only problem I haven't figured out, is resolving twiki files which don't have ---+ as their first element. Those starting with second level headings simply don't work. If needed, insert a level one heading prior to first content, then it all works. I'll update as and when I've figured it. Comments appreciated. regards DaveP From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 01:36:06 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 15 Mar 2004 17:36:06 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ Message-ID: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> These last two weeks I've been working on the SELinux pieces of the Fedora Core 2 test2 release notes. The current incarnation is available at: http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en/ http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml As described below, this content will start to be released Real Soon Now(TM), and I am interested in your input. Consider content quality (clarity, ease of use, clear to non-native English readers), ability to translate well, and of course the XML. In addition, I want to add this to CVS soonest, therefore I'll need Tammy's input. Also, I just noticed that the XSL does not create a question ToC, as it does in the DSSSL Tammy wrote for the Red Hat docs. Is a bugzilla report against the fedora.xsl a good way to make a feature request such as this? I'm not feeling clued enough to tackle it myself, yet. If you want the whole story for the SELinux FAQ, here's a picture of the plans and challenges: The Plan :: The SELinux release notes are in a FAQ. Ed Bailey will take the from me, confirm it will work within the release notes limitations, and insert that into the release notes XML. Following release, we will fork the SELinux FAQ into a standalone FAQ. This will be kept for the short term in a very easy to read and write format, such as a plain text file. Fedora SELinux developers will be writing to this FAQ often, to help handle bug reports and questions following the test2 release. After the FAQ has settled into a new shape, I will take it from the developers, massage it back into DocBook XML, and move it to the fedora-docs module in CVS permanently. I'd like to create the module in CVS right now mainly to put my work under source control, and to make it easy for me to add in the updates after I get the FAQ back. All the details haven't been worked out yet in terms of where the interim FAQ will live, and where the permanent FAQ will be accessible via URL. The Challenges :: I'm doing the FAQ using a . The downside is the need for keeping the XML simple for the release notes. The release notes need to be viewable in Anaconda using /usr/lib/anaconda/htmlbuffer.py, which currently is limited in its ability to handle nested lists and tables. The FAQ portion is built using a table, but it breaks reasonably gracefully. For a snapshot to be used in the release notes, I may do some magic to make them ready for the release notes. Ed suggested a setup, which is a fairly good method. I'm keeping the main source in the more useful because the canonical source will be the Fedora Core SELinux FAQ (fedora-docs/selinux-faq), so will take full advantage of DocBook. I'll have to do any number of manual exports from that for various purposes, but I think the extra work is worth having a canonical FAQ. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Mar 16 07:35:16 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:35:16 +0000 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20040316073514.GA32686@lichen.truemesh.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 2004 at 05:36:06PM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > These last two weeks I've been working on the SELinux pieces of the > Fedora Core 2 test2 release notes. The current incarnation is available > at: > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en/ > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml > > As described below, this content will start to be released Real Soon > Now(TM), and I am interested in your input. Consider content quality > (clarity, ease of use, clear to non-native English readers), ability to > translate well, and of course the XML. In addition, I want to add this > to CVS soonest, therefore I'll need Tammy's input. OK - you don't mention some things which might get people: 1) Setting up an administrative user as sysadm_r 2) role identification (id/id -Z) 3) identifying context a process is running using ps --context (useful for debugging) 4) using run_init to start init scripts 5) context transition using newrole, sudo -r 6) rpm --filecontext /--recontext queries 7) userhelper/consolehelper will prompt for own password Paul From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 11:38:41 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 16 Mar 2004 03:38:41 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <20040316073514.GA32686@lichen.truemesh.com> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <20040316073514.GA32686@lichen.truemesh.com> Message-ID: <1079437121.3552.2155.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 23:35, Paul Nasrat wrote: > OK - you don't mention some things which might get people: > > 1) Setting up an administrative user as sysadm_r This is standard SELinux setup, right? I'm trying not to recreate for the release notes what can be found in other HOWTOs (dictates of time). Still, this is a good addition for the general FAQ. > 2) role identification (id/id -Z) Coincidentally, I just added that (along with ls -alZ). > 3) identifying context a process is running using ps --context (useful for debugging) Same, using 'ps -eZ' > 4) using run_init to start init scripts > 5) context transition using newrole, sudo -r Same as first comment above. > 6) rpm --filecontext /--recontext queries Ah, good call. > 7) userhelper/consolehelper will prompt for own password Oh, I haven't thought about those. I'll look into it. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From tfox at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 16:03:26 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:03:26 -0500 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 20:36, Karsten Wade wrote: > These last two weeks I've been working on the SELinux pieces of the > Fedora Core 2 test2 release notes. The current incarnation is available > at: > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en/ > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml > > As described below, this content will start to be released Real Soon > Now(TM), and I am interested in your input. Consider content quality > (clarity, ease of use, clear to non-native English readers), ability to > translate well, and of course the XML. In addition, I want to add this > to CVS soonest, therefore I'll need Tammy's input. > Sure. Just let me know when are you are reading to add it to CVS. > Also, I just noticed that the XSL does not create a question ToC, as it > does in the DSSSL Tammy wrote for the Red Hat docs. Is a bugzilla > report against the fedora.xsl a good way to make a feature request such > as this? I'm not feeling clued enough to tackle it myself, yet. > Yes. If you file it in Bugzilla, I'll have a record of your request and get to it as soon as I find time. > If you want the whole story for the SELinux FAQ, here's a picture of the > plans and challenges: > > The Plan :: > > The SELinux release notes are in a FAQ. Ed Bailey will take the > from me, confirm it will work within the release notes > limitations, and insert that into the release notes XML. > > Following release, we will fork the SELinux FAQ into a standalone FAQ. > This will be kept for the short term in a very easy to read and write > format, such as a plain text file. Fedora SELinux developers will be > writing to this FAQ often, to help handle bug reports and questions > following the test2 release. > > After the FAQ has settled into a new shape, I will take it from the > developers, massage it back into DocBook XML, and move it to the > fedora-docs module in CVS permanently. I'd like to create the module > in CVS right now mainly to put my work under source control, and to make > it easy for me to add in the updates after I get the FAQ back. > > All the details haven't been worked out yet in terms of where the > interim FAQ will live, and where the permanent FAQ will be accessible > via URL. > > The Challenges :: > > I'm doing the FAQ using a . The downside is the need for > keeping the XML simple for the release notes. The release notes need to > be viewable in Anaconda using /usr/lib/anaconda/htmlbuffer.py, which > currently is limited in its ability to handle nested lists and tables. > The FAQ portion is built using a table, but it breaks reasonably > gracefully. > > For a snapshot to be used in the release notes, I may do some magic to > make them ready for the release notes. Ed suggested a > setup, which is a fairly good method. > > I'm keeping the main source in the more useful because the > canonical source will be the Fedora Core SELinux FAQ > (fedora-docs/selinux-faq), so will take full advantage of DocBook. I'll > have to do any number of manual exports from that for various purposes, > but I think the extra work is worth having a canonical FAQ. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade > this is not the .signature you are looking for > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From sbonnevi at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 22:24:36 2004 From: sbonnevi at redhat.com (Steven Bonneville) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:24:36 -0500 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <20040316170007.5A0ED73E54@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040316170007.5A0ED73E54@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040316222436.GA1677@sbonnevi.rdu.redhat.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > These last two weeks I've been working on the SELinux pieces of the > Fedora Core 2 test2 release notes. The current incarnation is available > at: > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en/ > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml > > As described below, this content will start to be released Real Soon > Now(TM), and I am interested in your input. Consider content quality > (clarity, ease of use, clear to non-native English readers), ability to > translate well, and of course the XML. In addition, I want to add this > to CVS soonest, therefore I'll need Tammy's input. Have you considered forwarding this note to fedora-selinux-list? You might get some good technical input from the folks there, too. -- Steve Bonneville From ddenning at asoninc.com Tue Mar 16 22:26:14 2004 From: ddenning at asoninc.com (David G Denning Jr) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:26:14 -0500 Subject: Fasttrak tx2000 RAID 1 fedora kernel install Message-ID: I have a Fasttrak tx2000 running RH9 which works fine. But I?d like to upgrade to fedora cleanly. I have my RAID 1 array partitioned so the OS is on different partition then my data. Problem is Fedora doesn?t load the fasttrak RAID driver like it should. I know I could recompile the kernel and setup that way but isn?t there a boot linux dd or boot command that would tell it to load the fasttrak modules so that the tx2000 controls the raid not the linux software raid 1 kernel. Any help would be great. Thanks, -Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 3/5/2004 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 22:42:37 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 16 Mar 2004 14:42:37 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079437121.3552.2155.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <20040316073514.GA32686@lichen.truemesh.com> <1079437121.3552.2155.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1079476957.7502.200.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 03:38, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 23:35, Paul Nasrat wrote: > > > OK - you don't mention some things which might get people: > > > > 1) Setting up an administrative user as sysadm_r > > This is standard SELinux setup, right? I'm trying not to recreate for > the release notes what can be found in other HOWTOs (dictates of time). > Still, this is a good addition for the general FAQ. I was wrong, we are going to need to cover this in the FAQ. Why does scope always inflate instead of deflate? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 16 22:46:12 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 16 Mar 2004 14:46:12 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <20040316222436.GA1677@sbonnevi.rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040316170007.5A0ED73E54@hormel.redhat.com> <20040316222436.GA1677@sbonnevi.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1079477171.7502.211.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 14:24, Steven Bonneville wrote: > Have you considered forwarding this note to fedora-selinux-list? You > might get some good technical input from the folks there, too. The majority of SELinux developers on that list (both Red Hat and NSA) are already looking at this through other mailing lists. My first priority is getting the release notes out the door, then comes the FAQ. When the discussion is just about the FAQ, I'll certainly involved fedora-selinux-list for a wider distribution. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From linux at bytebot.net Wed Mar 17 07:58:49 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:58:49 +1100 Subject: Fasttrak tx2000 RAID 1 fedora kernel install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1079510329.15406.67.camel@hermione> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 09:26, David G Denning Jr wrote: > I have a Fasttrak tx2000 running RH9 which works fine. But I?d like to > upgrade to fedora cleanly. I have my RAID 1 array partitioned so the > OS is on different partition then my data. Problem is Fedora doesn?t > load the fasttrak RAID driver like it should. I know I could recompile > the kernel and setup that way but isn?t there a boot linux dd or boot > command that would tell it to load the fasttrak modules so that the > tx2000 controls the raid not the linux software raid 1 kernel. Any > help would be great. Writing to fedora-list at redhat.com will ensure your question get's answered -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 18:51:08 2004 From: joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com (Joshua Daniel Franklin) Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:51:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: twiki format to docbook Message-ID: <20040317185108.40368.qmail@web61102.mail.yahoo.com> > --- Karsten Wade wrote: > > You just need to conform to the DocBook standards. If you parse your > > document against the DTD, then indenting should be consistent. I'm sure > > there are keybindings and other DocBook tools for Vi. Perhaps someone > > who prefers to use Vi could make a tutorial on using Vi for DocBook with > > the Fedora docs project toolchain. :) > I write DocBook with Vim, so I could probaby come up with something. Sorry for the delay, this was finals week but now I'm done. This is a pretty basic guide, but it's enough to get started and has some pointers to more information. I just added a chapter after the emacs ones. I can work on fleshing it out with any suggestions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: documentation-guide-vim.diff Type: application/octet-stream Size: 864 bytes Desc: documentation-guide-vim.diff URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps someone > > > who prefers to use Vi could make a tutorial on using Vi for DocBook with > > > the Fedora docs project toolchain. :) > > > I write DocBook with Vim, so I could probaby come up with something. > > Sorry for the delay, this was finals week but now I'm done. > This is a pretty basic guide, but it's enough to get started and has > some pointers to more information. I just added a chapter after the > emacs ones. I can work on fleshing it out with any suggestions. Sorry, I attached the wrong xml file for the new chapter. Here is the correct one which follows the naming convention. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: docs-vim-en.xml Type: text/xml Size: 5116 bytes Desc: docs-vim-en.xml URL: From tfox at redhat.com Thu Mar 18 20:25:31 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:25:31 -0500 Subject: twiki format to docbook In-Reply-To: <20040317185329.83183.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040317185329.83183.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1079641531.6063.311.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 13:53, Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: > --- Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote: > > > --- Karsten Wade wrote: > > > > You just need to conform to the DocBook standards. If you parse your > > > > document against the DTD, then indenting should be consistent. I'm sure > > > > there are keybindings and other DocBook tools for Vi. Perhaps someone > > > > who prefers to use Vi could make a tutorial on using Vi for DocBook with > > > > the Fedora docs project toolchain. :) > > > > > I write DocBook with Vim, so I could probaby come up with something. > > > > Sorry for the delay, this was finals week but now I'm done. > > This is a pretty basic guide, but it's enough to get started and has > > some pointers to more information. I just added a chapter after the > > emacs ones. I can work on fleshing it out with any suggestions. > > Sorry, I attached the wrong xml file for the new chapter. Here is the > correct one which follows the naming convention. > Thanks Joshua. I have committed your file to the documentation-guide directory in CVS. I'll push it to the website soon. I use Vi for basic editing of files like configuration files, etc., but I don't really follow how to use the keymappings for DocBook editing, but the chapter is a good start. Cheers, Tammy From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 19 21:44:53 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 19 Mar 2004 13:44:53 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1079732692.7502.8812.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 08:03, Tammy Fox wrote: > Sure. Just let me know when are you are reading to add it to CVS. I held off making additions for a few days (made finishing the relnotes for FC2test2 smoother), and I'm doing updates today. Tammy, can you put these files in fedora-docs/selinux-faq/ for me, and make sure I have write access? I haven't experimented with that yet. http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/Makefile http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml Thanks everyone who has made suggestions this week, you'll see those uploaded RSN. For the time being, I'm keeping the FAQ on my people.redhat.com page. After test2 and the SELinux complications have had some time to settle down, we'll discuss moving it to fedora.redhat.com/docs (?). - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 19 22:36:25 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 19 Mar 2004 14:36:25 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079732692.7502.8812.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <1079732692.7502.8812.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1079735785.7502.8901.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 13:44, Karsten Wade wrote: > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/Makefile > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml I just updated the parent XML to be proper against the FDP standard template. It doesn't really matter which one you grab as the initial check-in for CVS, I'll apply my changes the first time in one single check-in. Makes sense? Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From phil_labonte at sympatico.ca Mon Mar 22 00:21:00 2004 From: phil_labonte at sympatico.ca (Phil Labonte) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 19:21:00 -0500 Subject: Unsubscribing does not work? In-Reply-To: <1079641531.6063.311.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <20040317185329.83183.qmail@web61107.mail.yahoo.com> <1079641531.6063.311.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <405E316C.7060603@sympatico.ca> I am trying to unsubscribe form this list and whenever I click the unsubscribe button I am told that I will get an email confirmation... I never do. If I try to login I get some server error... Can someone on this list unsubscribe me? From tfox at redhat.com Mon Mar 22 15:33:10 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 10:33:10 -0500 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079735785.7502.8901.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <1079732692.7502.8812.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079735785.7502.8901.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1079969590.6063.2.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Karsten, These have been committed to CVS. Let me know if you want me to post it on fedora.redhat.com/docs/. Tammy On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:36, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 13:44, Karsten Wade wrote: > > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/Makefile > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml > > I just updated the parent XML to be proper against the FDP standard > template. > > It doesn't really matter which one you grab as the initial check-in for > CVS, I'll apply my changes the first time in one single check-in. Makes > sense? > > Thanks - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade > this is not the .signature you are looking for > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From bg at ccn.co.za Tue Mar 23 06:17:51 2004 From: bg at ccn.co.za (Brett M. Gray) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:17:51 +0200 Subject: Unsubscribing does not work? Message-ID: <2FFF529553B7C946AAA324B26CC398BD02C163@ccnexch.ccn.int> Me to please -----Original Message----- From: Phil Labonte [mailto:phil_labonte at sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:21 AM To: For participants of the docs project Subject: Unsubscribing does not work? I am trying to unsubscribe form this list and whenever I click the unsubscribe button I am told that I will get an email confirmation... I never do. If I try to login I get some server error... Can someone on this list unsubscribe me? -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From nagaraj at 1care.org Tue Mar 23 06:53:29 2004 From: nagaraj at 1care.org (NAGARAJ) Date: 23 Mar 2004 06:53:29 -0000 Subject: Fwd: Re: local device support Message-ID: <20040323065329.7331.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> ----- Original Message ----- >From : tfox at redhat.com To : nagaraj at 1care.org Sent : Mar 23 0:29:41 IST 2004 Subject : Re: local device support The best way to receive assistance with your problems is to join the fedora-list mailing list and ask for help there. Your question will reach many more people who might have the same problems and know of a solution. Sincerely, Tammy On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 03:32, NAGARAJ wrote: > Hai Tammy > > How are u? :) For past few days I am fed up with one problem regarding the Fedora core. > The first Problem is how I will run the " .Dat" extension file tat is movie file in Fedora core. I am unable to run through the xmms and kde tools ; U have any soultions > > The second problem is regarding the regadring the terminal services options. We instaled the K12 LTSP Terinal server rpms and we tried with the USB periphereals such as usb mouse and USB keyboards on client side. Then the other issue is the suppose the client boot fromthe Linux server throught pxe lan card and is there any possible soultion that the clisnt boot throught lan and it locally support the harddisk connected to it.. > Please help me...:::)))))) > > Expecting a reply from ur side... > > Thanks > > NAGARAJAN.C.H > Senior Engineer > FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING > New Delhi > http://www.firstsightcomputing.com > http://www.1care.org > E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org > chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com > Delhi Contact: Bangalore Contact: > Voice: +91-11-2649-0839 Voice: +91-80-5115-0955 > Fax: +91-11-2649-0833 Fax: +91-80-5115-0954 > Cell: +91-98910-43044 Cell: +91-98862-50158 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > NAGARAJAN.C.H Senior Engineer FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING New Delhi http://www.firstsightcomputing.com http://www.1care.org E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com Delhi Contact: Bangalore Contact: Voice: +91-11-2649-0839 Voice: +91-80-5115-0955 Fax: +91-11-2649-0833 Fax: +91-80-5115-0954 Cell: +91-98910-43044 Cell: +91-98862-50158 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From tfox at redhat.com Tue Mar 23 16:05:57 2004 From: tfox at redhat.com (Tammy Fox) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:05:57 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Re: local device support In-Reply-To: <20040323065329.7331.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> References: <20040323065329.7331.qmail@bom1.enmail.com> Message-ID: <1080057957.6078.10.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> This list is for discussing the Fedora Docs Project. You are looking for: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Cheers, Tammy On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 01:53, NAGARAJ wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > >From : tfox at redhat.com > To : nagaraj at 1care.org > Sent : Mar 23 0:29:41 IST 2004 > Subject : Re: local device support > > The best way to receive assistance with your problems is to join the > fedora-list mailing list and ask for help there. Your question will > reach many more people who might have the same problems and know of a > solution. > > Sincerely, > Tammy > > On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 03:32, NAGARAJ wrote: > > Hai Tammy > > > > How are u? :) For past few days I am fed up with one problem regarding the Fedora core. > > The first Problem is how I will run the " .Dat" extension file tat is movie file in Fedora core. I am unable to run through the xmms and kde tools ; U have any soultions > > > > The second problem is regarding the regadring the terminal services options. We instaled the K12 LTSP Terinal server rpms and we tried with the USB periphereals such as usb mouse and USB keyboards on client side. Then the other issue is the suppose the client boot fromthe Linux server throught pxe lan card and is there any possible soultion that the clisnt boot throught lan and it locally support the harddisk connected to it.. > > Please help me...:::)))))) > > > > Expecting a reply from ur side... > > > > Thanks > > > > NAGARAJAN.C.H > > Senior Engineer > > FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING > > New Delhi > > http://www.firstsightcomputing.com > > http://www.1care.org > > E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org > > chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com > > Delhi Contact: Bangalore Contact: > > Voice: +91-11-2649-0839 Voice: +91-80-5115-0955 > > Fax: +91-11-2649-0833 Fax: +91-80-5115-0954 > > Cell: +91-98910-43044 Cell: +91-98862-50158 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > NAGARAJAN.C.H > Senior Engineer > FIRST SIGHT COMPUTING > New Delhi > http://www.firstsightcomputing.com > http://www.1care.org > E mail: nagaraj at 1care.org > chnagaraj at firstsightcomputing.com > Delhi Contact: Bangalore Contact: > Voice: +91-11-2649-0839 Voice: +91-80-5115-0955 > Fax: +91-11-2649-0833 Fax: +91-80-5115-0954 > Cell: +91-98910-43044 Cell: +91-98862-50158 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 23 17:09:20 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 23 Mar 2004 09:09:20 -0800 Subject: Unsubscribing does not work? In-Reply-To: <2FFF529553B7C946AAA324B26CC398BD02C163@ccnexch.ccn.int> References: <2FFF529553B7C946AAA324B26CC398BD02C163@ccnexch.ccn.int> Message-ID: <1080061759.19280.8509.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 22:17, Brett M. Gray wrote: > Me to please > > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Labonte [mailto:phil_labonte at sympatico.ca] > > I am trying to unsubscribe form this list and whenever I click the > unsubscribe button I am told that I will get an email confirmation... I > never do. I was able to unsubscribe, then resubscribe again. I'm curious about what you all experienced to troubleshoot for a problem. 1. I followed this link: > To unsubscribe: > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list 2. At the bottom of the page, you put in the address you are subscribed as. 3. On the next page, there is an Unsubscribe button, which should send an email to you. 4. You can either a) reply to that email, or b) follow the link in the email. Either should work. Another method is to email fedora-docs-list-request at redhat.com with unsubscribe in the subject and body. If neither of these methods work for some people, then ... well, I don't know what the problem is, but there may be one somewhere. -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From pauln at truemesh.com Tue Mar 23 17:05:03 2004 From: pauln at truemesh.com (Paul Nasrat) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:05:03 +0000 Subject: Unsubscribing does not work? In-Reply-To: <1080061759.19280.8509.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <2FFF529553B7C946AAA324B26CC398BD02C163@ccnexch.ccn.int> <1080061759.19280.8509.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20040323170502.GF4783@lichen.truemesh.com> On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 09:09:20AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 22:17, Brett M. Gray wrote: > > Me to please > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Phil Labonte [mailto:phil_labonte at sympatico.ca] > > > > I am trying to unsubscribe form this list and whenever I click the > > unsubscribe button I am told that I will get an email confirmation... I > > never do. > > I was able to unsubscribe, then resubscribe again. I'm curious about > what you all experienced to troubleshoot for a problem. I should be able to write a tutorial for this by next Thursday :) Paul From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 23 17:14:39 2004 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: 23 Mar 2004 09:14:39 -0800 Subject: Fedora SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1079969590.6063.2.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1079400965.3552.807.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079453006.6081.6.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> <1079732692.7502.8812.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079735785.7502.8901.camel@erato.phig.org> <1079969590.6063.2.camel@jadefox.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1080062079.19280.8521.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 07:33, Tammy Fox wrote: > Karsten, > > These have been committed to CVS. Let me know if you want me to post it > on fedora.redhat.com/docs/. Stellar, thanks! I'll be updating everything later this week in anticipation of FC2test2 on Monday. - Karsten > > Tammy > > On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 17:36, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 13:44, Karsten Wade wrote: > > > > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/Makefile > > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/selinux/selinux-faq/selinux-faq-en.xml > > > > I just updated the parent XML to be proper against the FDP standard > > template. > > > > It doesn't really matter which one you grab as the initial check-in for > > CVS, I'll apply my changes the first time in one single check-in. Makes > > sense? > > > > Thanks - Karsten > > -- > > Karsten Wade > > this is not the .signature you are looking for > > http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 -- Karsten Wade this is not the .signature you are looking for http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 From fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us Sun Mar 28 02:12:02 2004 From: fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us (Aaron Matteson) Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:12:02 -0800 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide Message-ID: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Hey guys and ladies :) I have finally gotten some time to start my help guide for the fedora project. It is nowhere near done yet as i only have one and a half chapters completed with a planned total of eight chapters covering both ends of a request for help and so on. What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. What i have done so far is located at http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/fedora-docs/help-guide/help-guide-en/ I am drawing some information in context with permission* from http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html *permission is to comply with esr's copy policy @ http://www.catb.org/~esr/copying.html Thanks for any input. -- 0 1 0 Aaron M Matteson - GnuPG:0xD144B7FF 0 0 1 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, 1 1 1 it should be hard to understand! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://cryptosystem.us/ - Project http://cryptosystem.us/blog/ - Blog http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/ - Wiki From linux at bytebot.net Sun Mar 28 04:42:23 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:12:23 +0530 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> References: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: <1080448943.23651.387.camel@hermione> On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 07:42, Aaron Matteson wrote: > What i have done so far is located at > http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/fedora-docs/help-guide/help-guide-en/ Integrate bits of: http://www.bytebot.net/fedora/getting-help.html into it -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us Sun Mar 28 09:25:43 2004 From: fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us (Aaron Matteson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 01:25:43 -0800 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <1080448943.23651.387.camel@hermione> References: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> <1080448943.23651.387.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <20040328092543.29577.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Colin Charles became daring and sent these 0.4K bytes, > On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 07:42, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > What i have done so far is located at > > http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/fedora-docs/help-guide/help-guide-en/ > > Integrate bits of: > http://www.bytebot.net/fedora/getting-help.html > > into it Looks good, i see somethings you worded better then i could, mind if i use some of it? I know you already said to use bits of it, just wanted to make sure first. WIll of course aff you to the acknowledgements. -- 0 1 0 Aaron M Matteson - GnuPG:0xD144B7FF 0 0 1 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, 1 1 1 it should be hard to understand! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://cryptosystem.us/ - Project http://cryptosystem.us/blog/ - Blog http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/ - Wiki From linux at bytebot.net Sun Mar 28 09:52:16 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:22:16 +0530 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <20040328092543.29577.qmail@mail.avlug.org> References: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> <1080448943.23651.387.camel@hermione> <20040328092543.29577.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: <1080467535.23649.395.camel@hermione> On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 14:55, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > What i have done so far is located at > > > http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/fedora-docs/help-guide/help-guide-en/ > > > > Integrate bits of: > > http://www.bytebot.net/fedora/getting-help.html > > > > into it > > Looks good, i see somethings you worded better then i could, mind if i > use some of it? I know you already said to use bits of it, just wanted > to make sure first. WIll of course aff you to the acknowledgements. Yes -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From mikem at cyber.com.au Mon Mar 29 03:11:25 2004 From: mikem at cyber.com.au (Mike MacCana) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:11:25 +1000 (EST) Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so > far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. > Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. Good stuff, its nice and simple. Some feedback: * A thought: maybe replace 'man' with 'info'. Info documentation is often better maintained than man pages, and if you type 'info' and there's no info page, it'll fall back to using the man page - so users get the best available. * I'd mention /usr/share/doc/-/ as part of your 'Developer Documentation' section. * 'Developer Documentation' could be taken two ways. Documentation from Developers (which I think you mean) and Documentation *for* Developers. I'd suggest retitling this section to 'Package Documentation' or just 'Documentation'. Cheers, and thanks for your work. Mike From joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com Mon Mar 29 04:53:17 2004 From: joshuadfranklin at yahoo.com (Joshua Daniel Franklin) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:53:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040329045317.40533.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Mike MacCana wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so > > far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. > > Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. > > * A thought: maybe replace 'man' with 'info'. Info documentation is often > better maintained than man pages, and if you type 'info' and there's no > info page, it'll fall back to using the man page - so users get the best > available. I actually wrote a short article covering the differences between the two a while ago: You have full permission to take anything useful from there, verbatim or otherwise. I'd also recommend 'pinfo' over the standalone 'info' reader. I actually think 'man' would have disappeared by now if 'info' was at all intuitive to use (and all programs had good --help output for quick checking). If you encourage people to use 'info' they'll either give up or eventually find 'pinfo'. > * I'd mention /usr/share/doc/-/ as part of > your 'Developer Documentation' section. Big plus for this one, too. Also, why not link to ESR's "Smart Questions" itself with ulink? There are some minor grammatical issues (like captitalizing "I") that I assume you're already planning on fixing. :) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us Mon Mar 29 07:42:04 2004 From: fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us (Aaron Matteson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:42:04 -0800 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: References: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: <20040329074204.27362.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Mike MacCana became daring and sent these 1.0K bytes, > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so > > far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. > > Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. > > Good stuff, its nice and simple. Some feedback: > > * A thought: maybe replace 'man' with 'info'. Info documentation is often > better maintained than man pages, and if you type 'info' and there's no > info page, it'll fall back to using the man page - so users get the best > available. Good idea, will do. > * I'd mention /usr/share/doc/-/ as part of > your 'Developer Documentation' section. Also a good idea, will get this section in there in a few days when i have a day off. > * 'Developer Documentation' could be taken two ways. Documentation from > Developers (which I think you mean) and Documentation *for* Developers. > I'd suggest retitling this section to 'Package Documentation' or just > 'Documentation'. I see, hadn't spotted that. I did indeed mean Docs from the developers. Package Documentation is and does sound a lot more precise. > Cheers, and thanks for your work. Thanks for the input and all input to come. -- 0 1 0 Aaron M Matteson - GnuPG:0xD144B7FF 0 0 1 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, 1 1 1 it should be hard to understand! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://cryptosystem.us/ - Project http://cryptosystem.us/blog/ - Blog http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/ - Wiki From fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us Mon Mar 29 07:45:32 2004 From: fedora-docs at cryptosystem.us (Aaron Matteson) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 23:45:32 -0800 Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <20040329045317.40533.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040329045317.40533.qmail@web61101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040329074532.27520.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Joshua Daniel Franklin became daring and sent these 1.6K bytes, > --- Mike MacCana wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > > > What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so > > > far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. > > > Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. > > > > * A thought: maybe replace 'man' with 'info'. Info documentation is often > > better maintained than man pages, and if you type 'info' and there's no > > info page, it'll fall back to using the man page - so users get the best > > available. > > I actually wrote a short article covering the differences between > the two a while ago: > > > > You have full permission to take anything useful from there, verbatim > or otherwise. I'd also recommend 'pinfo' over the standalone 'info' > reader. I actually think 'man' would have disappeared by now if 'info' was > at all intuitive to use (and all programs had good --help output > for quick checking). If you encourage people to use 'info' they'll either > give up or eventually find 'pinfo'. Thanks :) > > * I'd mention /usr/share/doc/-/ as part of > > your 'Developer Documentation' section. > > Big plus for this one, too. > > Also, why not link to ESR's "Smart Questions" itself with ulink? Had meant to go back and do that but the intention flew the coop. > There are some minor grammatical issues (like captitalizing "I") > that I assume you're already planning on fixing. :) Didn't catch that, thanks :) -- 0 1 0 Aaron M Matteson - GnuPG:0xD144B7FF 0 0 1 Real programmers don't document. If it was hard to write, 1 1 1 it should be hard to understand! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://cryptosystem.us/ - Project http://cryptosystem.us/blog/ - Blog http://mindstorm.ath.cx:8080/ - Wiki From tdiehl at rogueind.com Mon Mar 29 09:53:56 2004 From: tdiehl at rogueind.com (Tom Diehl) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:53:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Help Guide Feedback - Was: Etiquette Guide In-Reply-To: <20040329074204.27362.qmail@mail.avlug.org> References: <20040328021202.20476.qmail@mail.avlug.org> <20040329074204.27362.qmail@mail.avlug.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > Mike MacCana became daring and sent these 1.0K bytes, > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Aaron Matteson wrote: > > > > > What i am posting about it a request for feedback on what i have done so > > > far, i would hate to complete it and realize that i did it wrong. > > > Pointers would also be gratefully accepted. > > > > Good stuff, its nice and simple. Some feedback: > > > > * A thought: maybe replace 'man' with 'info'. Info documentation is often > > better maintained than man pages, and if you type 'info' and there's no Only if you are using packages maintained by fsf. > > info page, it'll fall back to using the man page - so users get the best > > available. But either way you get something that is painful to use at best. > > Good idea, will do. PLEASE do not do this. Info is pure garbage. Pinfo is not much better but at least it is somewhat useful when you are forced to use it. Tom