From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Mar 1 01:32:11 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:32:11 -0600 Subject: [ANN] Translatable Entities Call For Translators Message-ID: <20060228193211.566212f6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> The infrastructure to support the I18N translation of the Fedora DocBook entities is now ready for translators to insert the translations. Background: The FDP has defined certain XML entities (&FED;) to represent commonly-used project references. These have been hand-coded into separate files such as "docs-common/common/fedora-entities-en.ent" and then explicitly included into documents using their exact filename. Some translations for non-English locales have been added, but these have all been manual efforts involving more hand-coding and editing. Before these "docs-common/common/fedora-entities-${LANG}.ent" files could be used in a translated document, that document must have been manually edited to reference the newly-translated locale rather than the original one. Again, this was a manual editing operation. No more! Down with manual editing! Up with correct processes! This announcement informs you that there is a "new world order" (NWO) for these entities files. From now on, adding additional I18N locale support will use the same tools and procedures already familiar to the translation community. Per-locale XML and .ENT files will be automatically derived from a baseline English XML file, a .PO file, and the xml2po(1) program from the "gnome-doc-utils" RPM. Get the new resources by updating your "docs-common/common" directory like this: $ cd docs-common/common $ cvs update entities and then look into the resulting "entities/" directory. The "README.txt" file contains detailed instructions for adding new locale support to the infrastructure. If your locale is already in place, please add the appropriate translations according to the "entities.pot" and "${LANG}.po" files. After editing the "${LANG}.po" file, a simple: $ make command should do everything needed to generate the "entities-${LANG}.ent" file. The command: $ make help will show the available make(1) targets. Note that adding a new locale to the ${OTHERS} Makefile macro will automatically add all the necessary Makefile targets for your locale. Note to document authors: you can look at the "example-tutorial" to see how this will affect you, but please do NOT switch to these new entities files until I make a specific [ANN]ouncement in a few days. Cheers! -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Update from CVS to get it. > > > > According to the "owners" file, that document is owned by > > mailto:fdr at eln.fastmail.fm and only he can answer the "when" part of > > your question. > > That's Stuart, I'm sure he'll drop in with a reply shortly. There are still some content changes to be done, and some work with entities to get the IG to build with the new XIncludes. I checked some updates this evening. The schedule says freeze date is 3rd March, and hopefully we can make that. -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 01:52:37 2006 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 09:52:37 +0800 Subject: install-guide/en fedora-install-guide-abouttoinstall.xml, 1.4, 1.5 fedora-install-guide-acknowledgements.xml, 1.4, 1.5 fedora-install-guide-adminoptions.xml, 1.4, 1.5 fedora-install-guide-beginninginstallation.xml, 1.4, 1.5 fedora-install-guide-b Message-ID: <76e72f800602281752w36243b7j@mail.gmail.com> 2006/3/1, elliss Stuart Ellis : > Author: elliss > > Update of /cvs/docs/install-guide/en > > - Updated files with entity declarations to work with XIncludes. Thank you! I will notify my dear IG-zh_CN contributer Xiaofan.Yang who is working on this ASAP :) -- bbbush ^_^ From stuart at elsn.org Wed Mar 1 02:06:30 2006 From: stuart at elsn.org (Stuart Ellis) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 02:06:30 +0000 Subject: install-guide/en In-Reply-To: <76e72f800602281752w36243b7j@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e72f800602281752w36243b7j@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141178790.13953.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 09:52 +0800, Yuan Yijun wrote: > 2006/3/1, elliss Stuart Ellis : > > Author: elliss > > > > Update of /cvs/docs/install-guide/en > > > > - Updated files with entity declarations to work with XIncludes. > > Thank you! I will notify my dear IG-zh_CN contributer Xiaofan.Yang who > is working on this ASAP :) OK. Just to be clear - it won't successfully build yet, although this reduces the number of errors a bit :). I discussed this with Paul on IRC this evening, and there is a bit more to be done to get all of the entities that we use working with XIncludes. -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 02:29:12 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:29:12 -0500 Subject: Entities idea Message-ID: <1141180152.20897.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> People are inevitably going to want local entities in their document. In order to ease translation, would it make sense for our entity generation engine, either instead of or in addition to linking to the common entities file, recognize a local entity file and merge it with the common one, thus presenting a single mass of entity material which could be included in the document DTD as a solitary call in place of the current "locale-entities.xml" declaration -- one of such raw power, such sheer enormity, such elegant austerity, and such overwhelming magnificence that it would inevitably inspire awe, nay, OBEISANCE in all those who gaze upon it, and even put a stop to this gigantic runaway sentence??? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 02:47:14 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:47:14 -0500 Subject: install-guide/en In-Reply-To: <1141178790.13953.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <76e72f800602281752w36243b7j@mail.gmail.com> <1141178790.13953.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141181234.20897.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 02:06 +0000, Stuart Ellis wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 09:52 +0800, Yuan Yijun wrote: > > 2006/3/1, elliss Stuart Ellis : > > > Author: elliss > > > > > > Update of /cvs/docs/install-guide/en > > > > > > - Updated files with entity declarations to work with XIncludes. > > > > Thank you! I will notify my dear IG-zh_CN contributer Xiaofan.Yang who > > is working on this ASAP :) > > OK. Just to be clear - it won't successfully build yet, although this > reduces the number of errors a bit :). I discussed this with Paul on IRC > this evening, and there is a bit more to be done to get all of the > entities that we use working with XIncludes. Something interesting that other people might benefit from as well if they're working on larger docs... Now that we're doing XInclude, recall that each individual XML file is validated before it's included in the larger "infoset." That means that each file must, on its own, be valid DocBook XML. There are a couple things you can do to help your document validate, and which also help you out: 1. Make sure the root-level element in the declaration matches that in your file. For the parent file, this might be "book" or "article," but for the other XML files, it will almost certainly be different, probably "preface," "section," or "glossary." If you do this correctly, you will find that Emacs, Vim and other good document editors will have a much easier time dealing with automatic tagging and so forth. (In other words, you're not cheating or fooling the system any longer, you're working the system correctly.) 2. If you use an entity in an XML file, that entity must be present in that document's DTD, either because you've included it manually with a declaration, or because it exists in the global entities file in docs-common/common/entities. If you XInclude another level, or even if you include some XML snippet through a parsed entity like &BUG-REPORTING;, the requirement doesn't change. That snippet can't include any entities the XIncluded file doesn't understand. This presents a bit of a problem because, for example, the &BUG-REPORTING; file "bugreporting-en.xml" has a reference to the parsed entity &DOCID; in it. That's well and good, but the "fedora-install-guide-intro.xml" file has no knowledge of the &DOCID; entity, which is *only* declared in the top-level "fedora-install-guide.xml" file. So the only alternative right now is to put copies in both files, which sucks from a maintenance point of view. That's why I just made a suggestion that we incorporate a slight improvement to the current entity generation scheme, where a local entities file is automatically merged with the common entities file from docs-common, to generate a complete set of entities for each document at build time. Since the local entities can simply follow the DTD Tommy hsa so helpfully provided, merging should be a snap, the XML for the entities fits right into the translation schema we already use, and Life Will Be Good. Stay tuned for more. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Mar 1 02:57:59 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:57:59 -0600 Subject: Entities idea In-Reply-To: <1141180152.20897.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141180152.20897.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060228205759.4cd29fe0.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > People are inevitably going to want local entities in their document. Hmm.. translatable local entities. I guess it's a natural progression. I'll look into adding XML->ENT productions into "Makefile.common" next month, er, tomorrow, 2006-03-01. > In order to ease translation, would it make sense for our entity > generation engine, either instead of or in addition to linking to the > common entities file, recognize a local entity file and merge it with > the common one, thus presenting a single mass of entity material which > could be included in the document DTD as a solitary call in place of the > current "locale-entities.xml" declaration -- one of such raw power, such > sheer enormity, such elegant austerity, and such overwhelming > magnificence that it would inevitably inspire awe, nay, OBEISANCE in all > those who gaze upon it, and even put a stop to this gigantic runaway > sentence??? stickster.calm++ && megacoder.action(sleep_now) -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 10:03:07 -0500 Subject: install-guide/en In-Reply-To: <76e72f800603010538h7e0de85t@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e72f800602281752w36243b7j@mail.gmail.com> <1141178790.13953.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141181234.20897.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <76e72f800603010538h7e0de85t@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1141225387.20897.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 21:38 +0800, Yuan Yijun wrote: > So I did these things and it builds OK for en. But "make xml-zh_CN" > segfaults. What should I do now? :( This is why I think we're going to need to handle local entities along with other translatable XML files. Otherwise there's no way to make translations build automatically. We want all this to happen transparently when we have good PO files. Tommy is on the case, I expect we'll hear something from him today. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 17:58:01 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:58:01 -0800 Subject: where to send bits for FC5 helpers? Message-ID: <1141235881.26154.102.camel@erato.phig.org> We have some bits in the release notes that could help the forum, #fedora, and so forth with answers to about-to-be common questions. For example, I just added this (subject to further QA by Harald): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView#udev I want to see that be in a review list for anyone who helps end users. Where would that be? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 18:44:28 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:14:28 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour Message-ID: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Hi What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) and a small overview in the release notes (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView). We need to revamp the tour to be a more descriptive and appealing overview of Fedora Core 5 at a glance by combining these efforts and including your own magic finishing touches. You can include screencasts as documented in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting. You got about 15 days or so for the Fedora Core 5 Launch. Anyone wants to take a grab at this? -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:16:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 00:46:35 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <7f617d270603011056l53552e78l855df8a623a98896@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4405F313.1090101@fedoraproject.org> Alex Maier wrote: >Better still, make a short flash demo out of it--Fedora is supposed to >support Flash out of the box, isn't it? >a > > No it doesnt and it cant. The screencasting document explains why. -- Rahul From docs-list at fedoralinks.org Wed Mar 1 19:31:54 2006 From: docs-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 13:31:54 -0600 Subject: where to send bits for FC5 helpers? In-Reply-To: <1141235881.26154.102.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1141235881.26154.102.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1141241514.3166.24.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 09:58 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > We have some bits in the release notes that could help the forum, > #fedora, and so forth with answers to about-to-be common questions. > > For example, I just added this (subject to further QA by Harald): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView#udev > > I want to see that be in a review list for anyone who helps end users. > Where would that be? > > - Karsten Karsten, This is what FedoraLinks.org started out as, I am all for moving on this by creating the FC5 links section so we can be proactive rather than reactive to questions we know will be asked. One concern you mentioned is if we can change links later as information moves from one site to another, fp.o/wiki/Docs/Beats/* to f.r.o/docs/releasenotes/* for example. This should not be an issue. Using FedoraLinks.org will also allow us to link to items that are not "Foundation Friendly" making the total amount of help wide open. I will get the FC5 section created tonight. More info will be posted here once that is done. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Documentation Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 19:36:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:06:17 +0530 Subject: where to send bits for FC5 helpers? In-Reply-To: <1141241514.3166.24.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1141235881.26154.102.camel@erato.phig.org> <1141241514.3166.24.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <4405F7B1.3080807@fedoraproject.org> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 09:58 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > >>We have some bits in the release notes that could help the forum, >>#fedora, and so forth with answers to about-to-be common questions. >> >>For example, I just added this (subject to further QA by Harald): >> >>http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView#udev >> >>I want to see that be in a review list for anyone who helps end users. >>Where would that be? >> >>- Karsten >> >> > >Karsten, > >This is what FedoraLinks.org started out as, I am all for moving on this >by creating the FC5 links section so we can be proactive rather than >reactive to questions we know will be asked. > >One concern you mentioned is if we can change links later as information >moves from one site to another, fp.o/wiki/Docs/Beats/* to >f.r.o/docs/releasenotes/* for example. This should not be an issue. >Using FedoraLinks.org will also allow us to link to items that are not >"Foundation Friendly" making the total amount of help wide open. > >I will get the FC5 section created tonight. More info will be posted >here once that is done. > > > You might want to link from fedoralinks.org to all these stuff at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityWebsites -- Rahul From hugo at devin.com.br Wed Mar 1 20:07:39 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:07:39 -0300 Subject: [ANN] Translatable Entities Call For Translators In-Reply-To: <20060228193211.566212f6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <20060228193211.566212f6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <4405FF0B.5040503@devin.com.br> I hopefully translated all entities and documents in docs-common/common to pt_BR :-) -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 1 20:19:50 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:19:50 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) We got this bug filed against the Tour: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a loss of credibility in our tour. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 20:22:36 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 01:52:36 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4406028C.4000406@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: >On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >> >> > >We got this bug filed against the Tour: > >https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 > >The point is, any tours should only show a desktop that came from Core. >Extras is enabled but not as clear to new users, so we would be showing >an application they can't "find" in the Core install, which leads to a >loss of credibility in our tour. > > If we have guidelines on this written down already, then link to it from the tours page for reference. I only used a default desktop for the screenshots I uploaded but others might not have followed the same rules. -- Rahul From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Mar 1 21:11:31 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 15:11:31 -0600 Subject: docs-common/common/entities entities-it.ent, 1.9, 1.10 entities-it.xml, 1.8, 1.9 In-Reply-To: <200603011951.k21Jp8sw029663@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> References: <200603011951.k21Jp8sw029663@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20060301151131.88b92ce6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Hugo Cisneiros" (eitch) , spake thus: > Modified Files: > entities-it.ent entities-it.xml > Log Message: > added pt_BR translations I hope the 'pt_BR' log message was a typo for this "it" Italian file! -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hugo at devin.com.br Wed Mar 1 21:19:02 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 18:19:02 -0300 Subject: docs-common/common/entities entities-it.ent, 1.9, 1.10 entities-it.xml, 1.8, 1.9 In-Reply-To: <20060301151131.88b92ce6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <200603011951.k21Jp8sw029663@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> <20060301151131.88b92ce6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <44060FC6.40900@devin.com.br> Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered "Hugo Cisneiros" (eitch) , spake thus: > >>Modified Files: >> entities-it.ent entities-it.xml >>Log Message: >>added pt_BR translations > > > I hope the 'pt_BR' log message was a typo for this "it" Italian file! Dunno what happened, I updated my tree with "cvs up", *only added and changed pt_BR files*, and did a "cvs ci -m 'added pt_BR translations". Looks like I grabbed new -it files from the "cvs up" and commited by accident. I realized (quaid told me in IRC) how I could commit all files that I modified to the CVS: stripping the filenames in the cvs ci last argument. It was the first time I used this approach :) Is it a bad habit? Looks like because of this I will back to specifying the files manually instead of letting cvs decide what's to commit or not... Sorry ;) -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 21:24:49 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:24:49 -0500 Subject: docs-common/common/entities entities-it.ent, 1.9, 1.10 entities-it.xml, 1.8, 1.9 In-Reply-To: <44060FC6.40900@devin.com.br> References: <200603011951.k21Jp8sw029663@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> <20060301151131.88b92ce6.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <44060FC6.40900@devin.com.br> Message-ID: <1141248289.30857.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 18:19 -0300, Hugo Cisneiros wrote: > Tommy Reynolds wrote: > > Uttered "Hugo Cisneiros" (eitch) , spake thus: > > > >>Modified Files: > >> entities-it.ent entities-it.xml > >>Log Message: > >>added pt_BR translations > > > > > > I hope the 'pt_BR' log message was a typo for this "it" Italian file! > > Dunno what happened, I updated my tree with "cvs up", *only added and > changed pt_BR files*, and did a "cvs ci -m 'added pt_BR translations". > Looks like I grabbed new -it files from the "cvs up" and commited by > accident. > > I realized (quaid told me in IRC) how I could commit all files that I > modified to the CVS: stripping the filenames in the cvs ci last > argument. It was the first time I used this approach :) Is it a bad habit? My vote is, "Yes." In fact, before I do a commit, I do a "cvs diff " to see what exactly I'm going to be committing. If you leave out the file names, the same rules apply, it will be recursive from your current directory. This is a good way of doing "check yourself before you wreck yourself." > Looks like because of this I will back to specifying the files manually > instead of letting cvs decide what's to commit or not... > > Sorry ;) The great thing about CVS is that most harm is undoable, and I doubt this was a big deal. It may partly be obviated by my next post in the entities thread. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll look into adding XML->ENT productions into > "Makefile.common" next month, er, tomorrow, 2006-03-01. I think I have the beginnings of this underway (q.v. "cvs diff -r1.80 -r1.81 Makefile.common"). I think we should handle all our entity and document snippet generation the same way we handle our docs, i.e. subdirectories for PRI_LANG and PO. Or is this overkill? Our entities and snippets have changed enough over time in the last couple of years that I think the ROI is worth it. What do you think? Anyhoo, the upshot is that now a document author can write a "entities.xml" file in his PRI_LANG directory, using the DTD "../../docs-common/common/entities/entities.dtd". Write any local entities needed, including DOCNAME, DOCVERSION, DOCDATE, DOCID, and BUG-NUM, and you're off to the races. This file will be combined with the docs-common/common/entities/entities-${LANG}.xml file to generate the "locale-entities.xml" file in your module's top directory. The only thing any document will need for its DTD is the following: %LOCALE-ENTITIES; ]> (Every XML document now has its own DTD declaration, and you should put this in each one.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bill From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 1 22:17:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 03:47:59 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-ambassadors-list] Re: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <4405EB8C.8020909@fedoraproject.org> <1141244391.26154.116.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060301221401.GB5781@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <44061D97.1080700@fedoraproject.org> Bill Nottingham wrote: >Karsten Wade (kwade at redhat.com) said: > > >>On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> >> >>>Hi >>> >>>What we have now is a bunch of screenshots and videos >>>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/FedoraCore5) >>> >>> >>We got this bug filed against the Tour: >> >>https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=183250 >> >> > >Well, alternatively, you could frame it as the 'Fedora Tour', >and include other Fedora software that way. > >Bill > Ya but we want two different things. A general Fedora tour for everyone and a release specific tour for users who want to know what has changed. The latter can be thought of a more non technical version of the release notes. -- Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 1 22:57:27 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 17:57:27 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Re: Entities idea In-Reply-To: <1141250445.30857.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141180152.20897.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060228205759.4cd29fe0.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <1141250445.30857.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1141253848.30857.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:00 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2006-02-28 at 20:57 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > > Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > > > > > People are inevitably going to want local entities in their document. > > > > Hmm.. translatable local entities. I guess it's a natural > > progression. I'll look into adding XML->ENT productions into > > "Makefile.common" next month, er, tomorrow, 2006-03-01. > > I think I have the beginnings of this underway (q.v. "cvs diff -r1.80 > -r1.81 Makefile.common"). I think we should handle all our entity and > document snippet generation the same way we handle our docs, i.e. > subdirectories for PRI_LANG and PO. Or is this overkill? Our entities > and snippets have changed enough over time in the last couple of years > that I think the ROI is worth it. What do you think? Doesn't matter what Tommy might have written here, it couldn't say "YUCK" enough times. We are talking about this on IRC and he has shown me the magnitude of my error. Hold on while we adjust your set... *crackle crackle fizz* -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am new. I need to know a list of dialup 56k modems that will work on Fedora Core 4 Linux9. Very appreciatively Michael mtshca at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:06:35 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:06:35 -0800 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <2b4.57af439.31379039@aol.com> References: <2b4.57af439.31379039@aol.com> Message-ID: <20060302000608.M33450@fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:03:05 EST, Mtshca wrote > Hi.. > > I am new. I need to know a list of dialup 56k modems that will work on > Fedora Core 4 Linux9. > > Very appreciatively > Michael > mtshca at aol.com I'm sorry but your post of off topic for this list. Please refer to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 00:09:12 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 05:39:12 +0530 Subject: Fedora Tour In-Reply-To: <2b4.57af439.31379039@aol.com> References: <2b4.57af439.31379039@aol.com> Message-ID: <440637A8.9080207@fedoraproject.org> Mtshca at aol.com wrote: >Hi.. > >I am new. I need to know a list of dialup 56k modems that will work on >Fedora Core 4 Linux9. > > > Kindly use the Fedora list or forums for such questions. Refer to the following link for more information http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic. Note that its better to use a separate mail with a specific subject to write to the list instead of reusing an existing thread. Thanks. -- Rahul From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Mar 2 15:44:17 2006 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:44:17 +0000 Subject: Is there any actual documentation? Message-ID: I'm sorry to sound mean, but I've been observing the often interesting and learned discussions about Fedora documentation for some time, but when I looked recently to see what documentation was around I found remarkably little - basically just the comments on the Release Notes. Am I missing something? Or will the documentation be appearing "real soon"? I may say I always read the very good (and beautifully produced) Fedora Weekly News. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 16:00:32 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:30:32 +0530 Subject: Is there any actual documentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <440716A0.5040001@fedoraproject.org> Timothy Murphy wrote: >I'm sorry to sound mean, >but I've been observing the often interesting and learned >discussions about Fedora documentation for some time, >but when I looked recently to see what documentation was around >I found remarkably little - >basically just the comments on the Release Notes. > > Published docs are available in http://fedora.redhat.com/docs. Currently includes the online mirror, yum and installation guides as well as the release notes. There is the jargon buster, FC 2/3 SELinux FAQs and SELinux guide on Apache as a beta for a long time. There is a relatively smaller guide on Udev and a tutorial on Stateless Linux. >Am I missing something? > > The work in progress drafts are available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ and http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/. Moreover all the RHEL and Fedora docs are being relicensed to OPL license and every documentation will be part of Fedora. http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2006-February/msg00110.html >Or will the documentation be appearing "real soon"? > > People have to contribute. Thats the way it will appear more sooner. The question here is how are you going to help? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject There are a number of people who have signed up on this list as interested contributors. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Contributors. The number of varied actual contributions though is very low still. Lurkers need to get more active and start doing things. If we are going for documentation to just appear, they probably wont. The latest project waiting for a contributor soon is a tour on Fedora Core 5. Want to grab that? https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2006-March/msg00011.html >I may say I always read >the very good (and beautifully produced) Fedora Weekly News. > > > Thats one good source of information. We have the weekly reports for various projects at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Projects/WeeklyReports. -- Rahul From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 2 17:40:38 2006 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 09:40:38 -0800 Subject: Is there any actual documentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060302173850.M94196@fedoraproject.org> On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 15:44:17 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote > I'm sorry to sound mean, > but I've been observing the often interesting and learned > discussions about Fedora documentation for some time, > but when I looked recently to see what documentation was around > I found remarkably little - > basically just the comments on the Release Notes. > > Am I missing something? > Or will the documentation be appearing "real soon"? > > I may say I always read > the very good (and beautifully produced) Fedora Weekly News. > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland Hi Timothy, Have you seen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/ ? Thank you for reading FWN. :) -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Thu Mar 2 19:11:35 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 13:11:35 -0600 Subject: [RFC] FDP locale "en" considered harmful Message-ID: <20060302131135.32f2714b.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Hello, Doc'ers and I18N'ers! Before we get a possible exponential explosion as more documents appear in our project, we have a problem. In the FDP early days, we mistakenly used the string "en" as a label to identify English-language file, such as "foo-en.xml". Later, we added I18N support and the labeling changed to "foo-${LANG}.xml", where ${LANG} was an ISO locale designator such "ru" or "pt_BR". Much later, we changed the filename scheme to use the ${LANG} locale as a subdirectory specifier, such as "${LANG}/foo.xml". Embarrassingly enough, we forgot to change the pseudo-locale "en" into a real locale string such as "en_US". Because of this, some tools complain about not having an "en" locale, .POT/.PO files are being generated using the fictitious locale "en" as a reference, and undoubtedly other issues that I haven't figured out yet. So (gulp) I propose to change all references to the "en" pseudo-locale to the legal "en_US" string. This will require some directory renaming, Makefile ${PRI_LANG} surgery, and some search-and-destroy "s/en/en_US/g" in every .POT/.PO file to date. AIUI, this will not corrupt the existing translations, it's just a change in the comment locating the replacement string: #: entities-en.xml:6(title) would become #: entities-en_US.xml:6(title) and no translation hiccups should occur. This calls for a shell script... SUMMARY If we ever need to do this, now is the time or forever live in a bogus "en" locale. 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Since we are so far along with the release notes, as there is another opportunity to build the XML for the Web-published version ... should we wait until the Web-published notes are done? Or is the interruption manageable? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like it completed before any new documents appear, though. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 01:47:25 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:47:25 -0500 Subject: docs-common/packaging bookinfo.xsl,1.16,1.17 In-Reply-To: <200602220712.k1M7Cfr3011028@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> References: <200602220712.k1M7Cfr3011028@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1141350445.1835.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Catching up on some commits, sorry... On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 02:12 -0500, Yuan Yijun wrote: > Author: bbbush > > Update of /cvs/docs/docs-common/packaging > In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv11008 > > Modified Files: > bookinfo.xsl > Log Message: > if revdescription is not translated, use "en" by default Be careful with XSL, this actually broke [book|article]info generation in a pernicious way. Fixed for now, although it needs to be converted to en_US usage shortly. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 3 19:05:42 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 14:05:42 -0500 Subject: git repos? Message-ID: <1141412743.9432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Wow, did anyone see the following CVS server message change? "For more information on using the Fedora CVS/GIT/Mercurial repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs" Does this mean we'll soon be able to use a more robust collaborative tool like git in docs CVS? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 3 19:10:37 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:40:37 +0530 Subject: git repos? In-Reply-To: <1141412743.9432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141412743.9432.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <440894AD.70908@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: >Wow, did anyone see the following CVS server message change? > >"For more information on using the Fedora CVS/GIT/Mercurial >repositories, please visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UsingCvs" > >Does this mean we'll soon be able to use a more robust collaborative >tool like git in docs CVS? > > > There is a plan to have a git repository available for Fedora contributors. It shouldnt be a problem having it available for the documentation project too. Copying to Elliot Lee who is handling this. -- Rahul From hugo at devin.com.br Sat Mar 4 06:50:31 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:50:31 -0300 Subject: Confusion about using CVS Message-ID: <440938B7.1030104@devin.com.br> Hi, I finished the translation of the CVS' pt_BR.po for the release notes, as you have noted by the cvs commits. But I'm a little confused about using the CVS for release notes right now. For this reason, I'm sending this email. First I was told to get a updated and clean tree for docs-common and release notes with: ============ $ cvs co docs-common release-notes ============ Then grab the translation freeze tag to begin translation: ============ $ cvs up -r release-notes-FC-5-ISO-trans-freeze \ docs-common release-notes ============ Then I created the po/pt_BR copying from the po/RELEASE-NOTES.pot and began translating. I finished in the past two days. Then I changed the Makefile to add the pt_BR target for building. I commited the changes to a Non-Tagged version. So the modifications will go to the updated and current tree. Is this right? Or Am I doing something wrong? I'm asking this because when I tried to build, I got this error: ============ $ make html-pt_BR mkdir -p pt_BR po2xml en/ArchSpecific.xml po/pt_BR.po >pt_BR/ArchSpecific.xml mkdir -p pt_BR po2xml en/ArchSpecificPPC.xml po/pt_BR.po >pt_BR/ArchSpecificPPC.xml can't find After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. in After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. make: *** [pt_BR/ArchSpecificPPC.xml] Error 1 ============ And I don't have any idea what to do. What are the procedures? And just to finish this message, I corrected some minor speling and grammar errors in the Wiki Beats, so based in the Wiki changes the responsables (Bob?) could commit to cvs. Thanks and sorry for the incovenience! -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sat Mar 4 16:23:35 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 10:23:35 -0600 Subject: Confusion about using CVS In-Reply-To: <440938B7.1030104@devin.com.br> References: <440938B7.1030104@devin.com.br> Message-ID: <20060304102335.9567e8ad.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Hugo Cisneiros , spake thus: > I'm asking this because when I tried to build, I got this error: > po2xml en/ArchSpecificPPC.xml po/pt_BR.po >pt_BR/ArchSpecificPPC.xml > can't find > After using OpenFirmware to boot the > CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. > in > After using OpenFirmware to boot the > CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit > installer. > > make: *** [pt_BR/ArchSpecificPPC.xml] Error 1 Hugo, There appear to be problems with the way that the build tools, or "docs-common/Makefile.common", use the .PO file and the ${PRI_LANG} XML files to generate the "pt_BR/foo.xml" files. There are two tools, "xml2po" and "po2xml", that claim to perform this function, but neither one is working correctly for me. If you look into your "docs-common/Makefile.common" file at about line 832, you should see something like this: # ${XML2PO} -k -p po/${1}.po ${2} >$$@ ${PO2XML} ${2} po/${1}.po >$$@ At as trial, comment out the ${PO2XML} line and uncomment the ${XML2PO{ line, so that it looks like this: ${XML2PO} -k -p po/${1}.po ${2} >$$@ # ${PO2XML} ${2} po/${1}.po >$$@ The try your "make html-pt_BR" command again. On my system the ${PO2XML} line gives the error you are seeing, but the ${XML2PO} file gives different errors. However, the ${XML2PO} errors may, repeat _may_, be caused by some other part of the toolchain. Sorry for the inconvenience, but we're working on this. By the way, have you any experience using the tools from the intltool RPM? 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hugo at devin.com.br Sat Mar 4 18:00:54 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 15:00:54 -0300 Subject: Confusion about using CVS In-Reply-To: <20060304102335.9567e8ad.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <440938B7.1030104@devin.com.br> <20060304102335.9567e8ad.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <4409D5D6.7040609@devin.com.br> Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Hugo Cisneiros , spake thus: > Hugo, > > There appear to be problems with the way that the build tools, or > "docs-common/Makefile.common", use the .PO file and the ${PRI_LANG} > XML files to generate the "pt_BR/foo.xml" files. > > There are two tools, "xml2po" and "po2xml", that claim to perform > this function, but neither one is working correctly for me. > > If you look into your "docs-common/Makefile.common" file at about > line 832, you should see something like this: Correcting: line 415 :P > # ${XML2PO} -k -p po/${1}.po ${2} >$$@ > ${PO2XML} ${2} po/${1}.po >$$@ > > At as trial, comment out the ${PO2XML} line and uncomment the > ${XML2PO{ line, so that it looks like this: > > ${XML2PO} -k -p po/${1}.po ${2} >$$@ > # ${PO2XML} ${2} po/${1}.po >$$@ > > The try your "make html-pt_BR" command again. On my system the > ${PO2XML} line gives the error you are seeing, but the ${XML2PO} file > gives different errors. However, the ${XML2PO} errors may, repeat > _may_, be caused by some other part of the toolchain. Now it worked! The RELEASE-NOTES-pt_BR directory was created and every content in it is well. Executing only "make" will create a html-nochunks version and a targzipped version of the directory too. All fine. What was your errors? I noted some other erros, and I'll send here just for documenting. The first was many warnings with this message: No localization exists for "po/pt_br" or "po/pt". Using default "en". (...) But everything is created fine. This warnings appear when creating/writing the html files. This happens with zh_CN too. Maybe because of a case sensitivity issue? I don't think that this will cause damages, as documents were all fine after the build, but I really don't have idea :) > Sorry for the inconvenience, but we're working on this. That's ok, if I can help in anything, just ask and I'll be glad to. > By the way, have you any experience using the tools from the intltool > RPM? They could be my third alternative... Not yet, I didn't know about this package :) -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From tombo at adamantio.net Sat Mar 4 21:36:45 2006 From: tombo at adamantio.net (Francesco Tombolini) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 22:36:45 +0100 Subject: missing in release notes... Message-ID: <200603042236.50568.tombo@adamantio.net> Ciao, While translating the release-notes I have seen 2 small problems: 1) no italian entities where used to make the documents but the english were used instead (I have cecked it in RELEASE-NOTES.xml) 2) no Virtualization document can be translated; it not appear in the .po or pot file. Thanks -- Francesco Tombolini -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since there is no such locale, the errors happen. I've used the latest XML2PO from the gnome-doc-utils CVS source tree and this is corrected. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sat Mar 4 22:27:39 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:27:39 -0600 Subject: missing in release notes... In-Reply-To: <200603042236.50568.tombo@adamantio.net> References: <200603042236.50568.tombo@adamantio.net> Message-ID: <20060304162739.0d519593.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Francesco Tombolini , spake thus: > 1) no italian entities where used to make the documents but the english were > used instead (I have cecked it in RELEASE-NOTES.xml) *This* is the problem I am having with XML2PO's XML updating: it eats the &ENTITY; string in the output XML. It's easy to reproduce this problem. Checkout the "example-tutorial" and: $ make validate-xml-de $ vi de/example-tutorial.xml The first , the one that mentions "the local entity", has been transcribed incorrectly, leaving out the "&LOCAL-ENT;" string. PO2XML does not exhibit this problem, but seems not to be able to locate some of your replacement strings. This is frustrating. For now, I think you are doing everything correctly; when we get the toolchain working, you should see better results. 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In-Reply-To: <20060304162739.0d519593.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <200603042236.50568.tombo@adamantio.net> <20060304162739.0d519593.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1141514560.5712.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-04 at 16:27 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Francesco Tombolini , spake thus: > > > 1) no italian entities where used to make the documents but the english were > > used instead (I have cecked it in RELEASE-NOTES.xml) > > *This* is the problem I am having with XML2PO's XML updating: it eats > the &ENTITY; string in the output XML. It's easy to reproduce this > problem. Checkout the "example-tutorial" and: > > $ make validate-xml-de > $ vi de/example-tutorial.xml > > The first , the one that mentions "the local entity", has been > transcribed incorrectly, leaving out the "&LOCAL-ENT;" string. > > PO2XML does not exhibit this problem, but seems not to be able to > locate some of your replacement strings. > > This is frustrating. > > For now, I think you are doing everything correctly; when we get the > toolchain working, you should see better results. I have been playing with intltool a little to see how it works. Although it appears to work (when you add a dash of XSLT to mark the elements that are intended for translation), a toolchain using intltool would not preserve entity markings. Instead, the translators would have to retranslate a line if the entity value changed. Obviously not optimal. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sat Mar 4 23:39:42 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 17:39:42 -0600 Subject: missing in release notes... In-Reply-To: <1141514560.5712.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200603042236.50568.tombo@adamantio.net> <20060304162739.0d519593.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <1141514560.5712.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060304173942.51576c95.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > > This is frustrating. > > For now, I think you are doing everything correctly; when we get the > > toolchain working, you should see better results. > I have been playing with intltool a little to see how it works. > Although it appears to work (when you add a dash of XSLT to mark the > elements that are intended for translation), a toolchain using intltool > would not preserve entity markings. Instead, the translators would have > to retranslate a line if the entity value changed. Obviously not > optimal. Are there no parades in DC that you could have rained on them :-? Seriously, thanks for the input. We'll just have to get the XML2PO/PO2XML tool to work; it must work; it has been released; there wouldn't be any bugs in it; it must be a pilot error. Cheers -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everywhere. Since I'm frobbing with the entities as we speak, I took the liberty of correcting the entity paths. The "en" version now builds nicely. The zh_CN version puts msgmerge(1) into an endless loop... oh, well, at least it's a *new* problem. Cheers -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sun Mar 5 07:59:25 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 01:59:25 -0600 Subject: XML2PO is weird! Message-ID: <20060305015925.9b4d8839.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> It seems that xml2po(1) will sometimes expand entities and will sometimes _not_ expand entities. There is a "-k" or a "--keep-entities" that claims "Don't expand entities", but it lies. Evidently there is a fallback mode in xml2po(1) where *all* entities are expanded. I know there is an "-e" or "--expand-all-entities" switch, but I'm not using it. For example, generate a .POT file: $ cd example-tutorial $ xml2po -o the.pot en_US/example-tutorial.xml and then apply it (UNCHANGED!) against the original XML file using various combinations of "-e", "-k" and no switches at all: $ xml2po -o junk-e.xml -e -p the.pot en_US/example-tutorial.xml $ xml2po -o junk-k.xml -k -p the.pot en_US/example-tutorial.xml $ xml2po -o junk-plain.xml the.pot en_US/example-tutorial.xml and then compare the files using diff(1). There are NO differences. Anybody care to explain? Or suggest a work-around? -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Everywhere. > > Since I'm frobbing with the entities as we speak, I took the liberty > of correcting the entity paths. The "en" version now builds nicely. > The zh_CN version puts msgmerge(1) into an endless loop... oh, well, > at least it's a *new* problem. > > Cheers You are a gentleman. Cheers, -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the numberz would be very interesting. -- bbbush ^_^ From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Mon Mar 6 12:41:50 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 06:41:50 -0600 Subject: install-guide/po fedora-install-guide.pot, 1.2, 1.3 zh_CN.po, 1.5, 1.6 In-Reply-To: <76e72f800603052018m44ee389ch@mail.gmail.com> References: <200603060223.k262NBJE028743@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> <76e72f800603052018m44ee389ch@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060306064150.018666f8.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Yuan Yijun" , spake thus: > > Update of /cvs/docs/install-guide/po > > In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv28688/po > My god. It seems I have to revert it. Have you tried msgfmt > --statistics zh_CN.po? I think the numberz would be very interesting. Not sure what you mean here. Unfortunately, it will be at least this evening (2006-03-06 US/Central) before I can look at this. Sorry for the bother. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 6 15:02:30 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:02:30 -0800 Subject: Is there any actual documentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1141657350.4585.24.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 15:44 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm sorry to sound mean, > but I've been observing the often interesting and learned > discussions about Fedora documentation for some time, > but when I looked recently to see what documentation was around > I found remarkably little - > basically just the comments on the Release Notes. No worries, we're not the best advocates for ourselves at times. We are also very short on full-length books (guides, reference tomes) because those are hard to create and support. The people involved in the project are doing what it interesting to them. For some, this means working on tools and processes. This fits into our mission: "Provide tools, services, and content for 100% free and open FLOSS projects." Published Docs: --------------- http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/fedora-install-guide-en/ http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/mirror/ http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/yum/ http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ ... and so forth from http://fedora.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ FDP is very active in the entire Wiki, which has a growing amount of content. Draft Docs: ----------- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts -> becomes the release notes, community written http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/docs/ -> DocsRawhide, builds from the HEAD of CVS. Here's an example of a book that was donated to the project and is languishing without a lead writer and other contributors: http://webtest.fedora.redhat.com/docs/rpm-guide/en/ Anyone interested? > Am I missing something? > Or will the documentation be appearing "real soon"? This is not documentation in that comes from a secret place and is revealed fully grown. People such as yourself need to get active to make more appear. Red Hat did not staff this project. However, the recent license changes are going to allow for Red Hat-based contributors, and you can expect to see more in-progress documents being developed in the community. But none of this is like Athena, born fully formed from the brow of Zeus. This stuff takes actual work, although the release notes beats proves that the work can be minimal for a fantastic outcome. > I may say I always read > the very good (and beautifully produced) Fedora Weekly News. Me too. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 6 19:34:54 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:34:54 -0800 Subject: release notes compilation... In-Reply-To: <20060301151820.3ff250c3.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <200603011917.26806.tombo@adamantio.net> <20060301151820.3ff250c3.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1141673694.7421.40.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 15:18 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Francesco Tombolini , spake thus: > > > I get these errors: > > > -f /home/tombo/Fedora_i18n/docs/release-notes/../docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf > > >en/fdp-info.xml > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > > LANGUAGE = (unset), > > LC_ALL = (unset), > > LANG = "en" > > are supported and installed on your system. > > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > > Please ignore these warning. There is no real "en" locale but we > claim to be using one. HA! I've been staring at that warning and ignoring it for three-plus years now without ever thinking about fixing it. Talk about the power of the tribe. "Just step over that creaky part of the log bridge." - Karsten, who reminds, denial is not a river in Egypt. -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 6 20:48:55 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:48:55 -0500 Subject: release notes compilation... In-Reply-To: <1141673694.7421.40.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200603011917.26806.tombo@adamantio.net> <20060301151820.3ff250c3.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <1141673694.7421.40.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1141678135.24629.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 11:34 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 15:18 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > > Uttered Francesco Tombolini , spake thus: > > > > > I get these errors: > > > > > -f /home/tombo/Fedora_i18n/docs/release-notes/../docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf > > > >en/fdp-info.xml > > > perl: warning: Setting locale failed. > > > perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: > > > LANGUAGE = (unset), > > > LC_ALL = (unset), > > > LANG = "en" > > > are supported and installed on your system. > > > perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). > > > > Please ignore these warning. There is no real "en" locale but we > > claim to be using one. > > > HA! I've been staring at that warning and ignoring it for three-plus > years now without ever thinking about fixing it. Talk about the power > of the tribe. > > "Just step over that creaky part of the log bridge." > > - Karsten, who reminds, denial is not a river in Egypt. You may want to evaluate the effect of moving the CVS release-notes to en_US, the proper locale. Most importantly, obviously, Jeremy needs to be able to capture and build them properly; if he can do that currently, may be better to leave well enough alone until after FC5 goes gold. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As long as it doesn't generate any errors, and it should fix the warning. We have 26 hours to fix this in CVS, if we want. Translated content is due back within the next few hours. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tomorrow (08 march) will be official holiday in Russia and I plan to spend this day for translation of Fedora documentation. Regards, Andrew Martynov On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 11:35:57AM -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > ... but, if you get them in a bit later *and* they don't break the > build, we will make sure they are included. > > We have to deliver a ready-to-go set of release notes to the Fedora > release engineers at 23:59 UTC 07 March 2006. > > If you have any questions, please reply-to and send them to fedora-docs- > list, and/or see us on #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net. > > Thank you, again and again, > > Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > Content Services Fedora Documentation Project > http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list -- Andrew Martynov Inventa phone +7(095)7758777 fax +7(095)9270981 http://www.rhd.ru andrewm at inventa.ru From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 7 16:14:33 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 08:14:33 -0800 Subject: release notes translations for ISO due at 23:59 UTC 6 March In-Reply-To: <20060307081020.GA18647@mk61.inventa.ru> References: <1141673757.7421.42.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060307081020.GA18647@mk61.inventa.ru> Message-ID: <1141748073.28217.30.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 11:10 +0300, Andrew Martynov wrote: > Hello, Karsten! > > Unfortunally I`m not sure I will be able to prepare 100% ready translation > of Release Notes to Russian today before deadline. > I was too busy for primary job during last two weeks :( I understand, I have one of those as well. :) > So I will commit all changes and modify Makefile only after whole > translation will be make. > > I`m asking you and all translators for advice: > Would it be corrent co include in ISO files 75-80% translated version? I don't know enough yet to answer that. I'll think about it and consult with those who know (Cc:'d) > Tomorrow (08 march) will be official holiday in Russia and I plan to > spend this day for translation of Fedora documentation. We are going to try our first build around 20:00 UTC today. Please give us a status report and we'll assess again from that. Thanks very much for your hard work, Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 22:28:04 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:28:04 -0500 Subject: Release Notes for fedora-release Message-ID: <1141770484.1965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Jeremy, Just as an FYI, the release-notes appear to be ready. We have the "en" [sic] version, and the following translations ready to go, to be generated by "make html" and "make txt": * it * ja_JP * pt_BR * zh_CN It looks like there will be a "ru" version and a "fr" version available on the Web shortly, hopefully before 15 March. Some of us should be available in #fedora-docs over the next few hours if needed. Both docs-common/ and release-notes/ are tagged 'FC-5-GOLD-for-iso' for your convenience. :-) I've tested the build process in FC4 and FC5/Rawhide (current as of ~1800 UTC today), WORKSFORME! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Full IRC Log: ------------- https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-dsco-list/2006-March/msg00001.html -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 23:31:47 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 18:31:47 -0500 Subject: release-notes/en Kernel.xml,1.8,1.9 In-Reply-To: <200603072323.k27NNoEY006981@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> References: <200603072323.k27NNoEY006981@cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1141774308.1965.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 18:23 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Author: pfrields > > Update of /cvs/docs/release-notes/en > In directory cvs-int.fedora.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv6963/en > > Modified Files: > Kernel.xml > Log Message: > Jeremy Katz informs me this had a last-minute change. I am trying to handle this in the PO. If I can, I will. The great news is that msgmerge had no problems handling the change itself. So all the generated XML is good to go with the change, everything still builds just fine. Hurrah! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've just tested make html on FC4, then I've got following error: po2xml en/ArchSpecificPPC.xml po/zh_CN.po >zh_CN/ArchSpecificPPC.xml can't find After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. in After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. make: *** [zh_CN/ArchSpecificPPC.xml] error 1 The mismatched ' and " caused this error. ' in tags was automatically replaced with " during the xml2po process. However, po2xml don't translate ' into " automatically, so this error happened. I hope that this error will not happen on FC5(/RawHide), but if it happens as well, please replace ' with " in tags of XML. In that case, we don't need fix .PO files. -- SEKINE Tatsuo: tsekine at sdri.co.jp System Design & Research Inst. Co.,Ltd. http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4797329750 From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 8 00:04:35 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:04:35 -0500 Subject: Release Notes for fedora-release In-Reply-To: <20060308.084129.128670955.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> References: <1141770484.1965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060308.084129.128670955.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> Message-ID: <1141776275.1965.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 08:41 +0900, SEKINE tatz Tatsuo wrote: > Hi all, > > From: "Paul W. Frields" > Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:28:04 -0500 > > > Both docs-common/ and release-notes/ are tagged 'FC-5-GOLD-for-iso' for > > your convenience. :-) I've tested the build process in FC4 and > > FC5/Rawhide (current as of ~1800 UTC today), WORKSFORME! > > I've just tested > make html > on FC4, then I've got following error: > po2xml en/ArchSpecificPPC.xml po/zh_CN.po >zh_CN/ArchSpecificPPC.xml > can't find > After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. > in > After using OpenFirmware to boot the CD, the bootloader (yaboot) should automatically boot the 64-bit installer. > make: *** [zh_CN/ArchSpecificPPC.xml] error 1 > > The mismatched ' and " caused this error. ' in tags was automatically > replaced with " during the xml2po process. However, po2xml don't > translate ' into " automatically, so this error happened. > > I hope that this error will not happen on FC5(/RawHide), but if it > happens as well, please replace ' with " in tags of XML. In that case, > we don't need fix .PO files. Hi Tetsuo, I'm also using FC4, and I have no such problem with building. According to spec, both '...' and "..." are perfectly fine in XML. It also works fine on FC5/Rawhide, tested just a half hour ago. Possibly this is a local problem for your system? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 8 09:00:03 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:30:03 +0530 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes Message-ID: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> Hi The network section on the release notes (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Networking) documents some of the major changes between kernel revisions but these are already nicely documented at http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges. I added this link to the relevant section already but maybe we should not duplicate this information within the release notes unnecessarily? -- Rahul From tsekine at sdri.co.jp Wed Mar 8 14:21:17 2006 From: tsekine at sdri.co.jp (SEKINE tatz Tatsuo) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:21:17 +0900 (JST) Subject: Release Notes for fedora-release In-Reply-To: <1141776275.1965.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1141770484.1965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1141770484.1965.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060308.084129.128670955.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> <1141776275.1965.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060308.232117.115260808.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> Hi, From: "Paul W. Frields" Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 19:04:35 -0500 > I'm also using FC4, and I have no such problem with building. According > to spec, both '...' and "..." are perfectly fine in XML. It also works > fine on FC5/Rawhide, tested just a half hour ago. Possibly this is a > local problem for your system? I (re-) updated docs-common and release-notes, and also updated my system with "yum update", then it worked fine :P > Just as an FYI, the release-notes appear to be ready. We have the > "en" [sic] version, and the following translations ready to go, to be > generated by "make html" and "make txt": > > * it > * ja_JP > * pt_BR > * zh_CN Unfortunately, I forgot to update Makefile of release-notes, which has following entry still now :< OTHERS = zh_CN pt_BR it # ja_JP pa ru Can I update this Makefile with "FC-5-GOLD-for-iso" tag? From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 18:54:15 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:54:15 -0800 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 14:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > The network section on the release notes > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Networking) documents some of > the major changes between kernel revisions but these are already nicely > documented at http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges. I added this > link to the relevant section already but maybe we should not duplicate > this information within the release notes unnecessarily? It is an interesting question that dovetails into something that I was thinking about this morning: How online can we go with our release notes? How far _should_ we go? On-system documentation is very valuable, that is, manual and info pages. What role do the release notes play in on-system documentation? Can/should they be useful in a non-network situation? The release notes can give a location to list bugs fixed, bugs known, and latest information that could not make it into package documentation. Should it do that? A release notes is a snapshot in time of documentation that is about a snapshot in time of code development. It seems to me a natural place to duplicate all manner of external content that pertains to that snapshot. Package change lists, bug reports, and content pulls from various location can be automated. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's ask one question before this one: "When do YOU read the release notes?" 1) Anaconda-install time: no links, just blurb about online availability. (Idle curiosity.) 2) Before I decide to install: yes, yes, yes! (Engineering approach.) 3) Never: add link to "http://microsoft.com/" ;-) (Education ;-) 4) When something that worked before breaks: yes, yes, yes! (Harried/confident developer.) 5) Before I turn the system over to my clients: just a blurb. (SysAdmin role.) HTH -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, older versions of POSIX required the command `sort +1' to sort based on the second and succeeding fields in each input line, but starting with POSIX 1003.1-2001 the same command is required to sort the file named `+1', and you must instead use the command `sort -k 2' to get the field-based sort. The GNU utilities normally conform to the version of POSIX that is standard for your system. To cause them to conform to a different version of POSIX, define the `_POSIX2_VERSION' environment variable to a value of the form YYYYMM specifying the year and month the standard was adopted. Two values are currently supported for `_POSIX2_VERSION': `199209' stands for POSIX 1003.2-1992, and `200112' stands for POSIX 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. I don't see anything about it here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats I was all excited about upgrading some servers to FC5, and this stops that upgrade cold until every one of hundreds of locally written scripts, some two decades old, are audited and "fixed." Ugh, sometimes POSIX is just ridiculous. Regards, Bill Rugolsky From twaugh at redhat.com Wed Mar 8 23:05:08 2006 From: twaugh at redhat.com (Tim Waugh) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 23:05:08 +0000 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <20060308230508.GC17460@redhat.com> On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:07:07PM -0500, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > The GNU utilities normally conform to the version of POSIX that is > standard for your system. To cause them to conform to a different > version of POSIX, define the `_POSIX2_VERSION' environment variable to > a value of the form YYYYMM specifying the year and month the standard > was adopted. Two values are currently supported for `_POSIX2_VERSION': > `199209' stands for POSIX 1003.2-1992, and `200112' stands for POSIX > 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > > I don't see anything about it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > I was all excited about upgrading some servers to FC5, and this stops > that upgrade cold until every one of hundreds of locally written scripts, > some two decades old, are audited and "fixed." Or just set that environment variable in your environment system-wide. 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To cause them to conform to a different > > version of POSIX, define the `_POSIX2_VERSION' environment variable to > > a value of the form YYYYMM specifying the year and month the standard > > was adopted. Two values are currently supported for `_POSIX2_VERSION': > > `199209' stands for POSIX 1003.2-1992, and `200112' stands for POSIX > > 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running > > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > > > > I don't see anything about it here: Can you draw upon Tim's advice to set the environment variable depending on need (local or system wide) to write up a paragraph or two about this? I'm thinking that you digest this better than I do already, and can offer a draft (straw man) for us to fix and include in the Docs/Beats. We are still adding content over the next day or so for the Web- publication of the release notes. Thanks for the pointer and TIA for the contribution. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 03:04:32 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 22:04:32 -0500 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <1141873472.3216.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 14:07 -0500, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > Just discovered this. > > IMHO, this massive breakage needs to be documented (in allcaps) in the > FC5 Release notes: > > > % info coreutils Standards > > 2.9 Standards conformance > ========================= > > In a few cases, the GNU utilities' default behavior is incompatible > with the POSIX standard. To suppress these incompatibilities, define > the `POSIXLY_CORRECT' environment variable. Unless you are checking > for POSIX conformance, you probably do not need to define > `POSIXLY_CORRECT'. > > Newer versions of POSIX are occasionally incompatible with older > versions. For example, older versions of POSIX required the command > `sort +1' to sort based on the second and succeeding fields in each > input line, but starting with POSIX 1003.1-2001 the same command is > required to sort the file named `+1', and you must instead use the > command `sort -k 2' to get the field-based sort. > > The GNU utilities normally conform to the version of POSIX that is > standard for your system. To cause them to conform to a different > version of POSIX, define the `_POSIX2_VERSION' environment variable to > a value of the form YYYYMM specifying the year and month the standard > was adopted. Two values are currently supported for `_POSIX2_VERSION': > `199209' stands for POSIX 1003.2-1992, and `200112' stands for POSIX > 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > > I don't see anything about it here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > I was all excited about upgrading some servers to FC5, and this stops > that upgrade cold until every one of hundreds of locally written scripts, > some two decades old, are audited and "fixed." > > Ugh, sometimes POSIX is just ridiculous. I don't see how this is release notes worthy at all. My FC3 box has the exact same text in its coreutils. Is there anyone running something older who could check theirs? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Thu Mar 9 03:36:30 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:36:30 -0600 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <1141873472.3216.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <1141873472.3216.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060308213630.0fa7479c.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 14:07 -0500, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > > I was all excited about upgrading some servers to FC5, and this stops > > that upgrade cold until every one of hundreds of locally written scripts, > > some two decades old, are audited and "fixed." Doesn't belong in release notes; this is an application porting issue. Release Notes is not for migration topics, but differences from the FC{n-1} version. Upgraders, si! Migrators, no! NOTABUG is my position. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields" , spake thus: > > On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 14:07 -0500, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > > > I was all excited about upgrading some servers to FC5, and this stops > > > that upgrade cold until every one of hundreds of locally written scripts, > > > some two decades old, are audited and "fixed." > Doesn't belong in release notes; this is an application porting > issue. Release Notes is not for migration topics, but differences > from the FC{n-1} version. > Upgraders, si! Migrators, no! > NOTABUG is my position. Although differences in the POSIXLY_CORRECT handling from a prior version would be perfectly apropos. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am very good with Electronics and those types of things and currently working on my computer science degree. My main hope here is to contribute to something I feel is worthwhile. Open Source has inspired me and I use Fedora Core 4. My GPG is... pub 1024D/F31C3B55 2006-03-09 Key fingerprint = 3705 8946 E495 86A3 C46F B5F6 8DA4 14D8 F31C 3B55 Edward Haddock (Fedora Project) sub 2048g/8222A4CC 2006-03-09 My hope is to help if I can and make something I believe in grow. Thank you for your time. Mahalo, Edward Haddock From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 06:55:25 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:25:25 +0530 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: >Just discovered this. > >IMHO, this massive breakage needs to be documented (in allcaps) in the >FC5 Release notes: > > Completely disagree. This is a long standing change and not specific to Fedora Core 5 at all. Release notes is about major differences between releases and shouldnt be extended to provide all kinds of general information. -- Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 06:56:59 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:26:59 +0530 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <20060308130701.26f6bf28.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060308130701.26f6bf28.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <440FD1BB.20703@fedoraproject.org> Tommy Reynolds wrote: >Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > > > >>On-system documentation is very valuable, that is, manual and info >>pages. What role do the release notes play in on-system documentation? >>Can/should they be useful in a non-network situation? >> >>The release notes can give a location to list bugs fixed, bugs known, >>and latest information that could not make it into package >>documentation. Should it do that? >> >> > >Let's ask one question before this one: > > "When do YOU read the release notes?" > While its good to analyze these kinds of questions, I would like to get a more specific answer on whether this content should be duplicated or not for now in Fedora Core 5. Lets get back to the broader question later. -- Rahul From robert_chapman at maximhq.com Thu Mar 9 08:41:32 2006 From: robert_chapman at maximhq.com (Robert F. Chapman) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:41:32 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Robert F. Chapman Message-ID: <1141893692.3219.49.camel@robert-chapman-lt.technosapian.com> Robert F. Chapman California, USA Senior Manufacturing Test Engineer - Test Systems Development Maxim Integrated Products Goals: Help make a difference in the Linux Community. Give something back for all that has been gained from the many contributors of Linux/Redhat Distro. Too many times when reading documentation for the Fedora Project, I have come across grammatical/spelling errors. For the most part, I think all that have contributed have done a great job. I have often wanted to send little snippets for correction, but don't know who to send it to.. I would like to learn more about the process of distributed documentation creation/maintenance, where more than one person is working on a document. Also I would like to learn more about "Docbook" and the methods used to create CSS enriched content documents. Historical Qualifications: Most of my qualifications for this group would be in the technical writing that I have done for the company that I work for. I manage an IT group for our engineering department. I have written many technical and training documents for *nix and other Integrated Systems. My Computer Skills are vast, and range from hardware to software and Networking, Systems Integration, embedded controllers, Micro controllers etc.. I have been working with computers since the mid '70s and have watched computer/software technology blossom into what it is today. Other skills and hobbies include: Photography, Teaching, programming (Assembly, C, PASCAL, PHP, HTML, PERL, JAVA etc..), in general a technical nut! (techie) GPG KEYID/Fingerprint: pub 1024D/272C88E2 2006-03-06 Key fingerprint = DF22 4493 79BD B488 A2C6 7CA1 9535 4A71 272C 88E2 uid Robert Chapman (My Laptop Key) sub 1024g/8EA9ECCA 2006-03-06 From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Thu Mar 9 12:56:27 2006 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 07:56:27 -0500 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:25:25PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >Just discovered this. > > > >IMHO, this massive breakage needs to be documented (in allcaps) in the > >FC5 Release notes: > > > > > Completely disagree. This is a long standing change and not specific to > Fedora Core 5 at all. Release notes is about major differences between > releases and shouldnt be extended to provide all kinds of general > information. You can disagree all you want, but this is a change from FC4 to FC5: fc4% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 Mar 7 00:27:35 ti63 smartd[2187]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed -2 Celsius to 35 Celsius since last report rawhide% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 sort: open failed: +2: No such file or directory Bill Rugolsky From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 13:12:17 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 18:42:17 +0530 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: >On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 12:25:25PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>>Just discovered this. >>> >>>IMHO, this massive breakage needs to be documented (in allcaps) in the >>>FC5 Release notes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Completely disagree. This is a long standing change and not specific to >>Fedora Core 5 at all. Release notes is about major differences between >>releases and shouldnt be extended to provide all kinds of general >>information. >> >> > >You can disagree all you want, but this is a change from FC4 to FC5: > >fc4% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 >Mar 7 00:27:35 ti63 smartd[2187]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed -2 Celsius to 35 Celsius since last report > >rawhide% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 >sort: open failed: +2: No such file or directory > > > This seems unrelated to the man page entry you quoted. Can you find more information on this and provide us the content? -- Rahul From brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com Thu Mar 9 13:25:38 2006 From: brugolsky at telemetry-investments.com (Bill Rugolsky Jr.) Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 08:25:38 -0500 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 06:42:17PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >You can disagree all you want, but this is a change from FC4 to FC5: > > > >fc4% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 > >Mar 7 00:27:35 ti63 smartd[2187]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed > >-2 Celsius to 35 Celsius since last report > > > >rawhide% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 > >sort: open failed: +2: No such file or directory > > > > > > > This seems unrelated to the man page entry you quoted. Can you find more > information on this and provide us the content? I don't mean to be an ass, but do you read before you mouth off? Judging by the fedora-* list traffic, no. Let's try again: 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. Sorry, I'm cranky. Now I have to go put a wrapper around coreutils and log old-style arguments. Environment variable tests are completely broken. That was already known in the 1970's ... but I gave up on POSIX when I was a reviewer for the pthreads drafts ... Bill From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 9 13:42:13 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 19:12:13 +0530 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <441030B5.1060507@fedoraproject.org> Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: >On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 06:42:17PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > >>This seems unrelated to the man page entry you quoted. Can you find more >>information on this and provide us the content? >> >> > >I don't mean to be an ass, but do you read before you mouth off? Judging by >the fedora-* list traffic, no. > It would be help to be more courteous than that. Not sure what the reference on fedora mailing list traffic is all about. Feel free to mail me offlist about that. > Let's try again: > > 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > >Sorry, I'm cranky. Now I have to go put a wrapper around coreutils and >log old-style arguments. > The exact same text appears in the earlier Fedora Core versions info manuals. I am just puzzled at what has changed between FC4 and rawhide versions now. -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 13:53:16 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 05:53:16 -0800 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <441030B5.1060507@fedoraproject.org> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <441030B5.1060507@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141912396.3391.105.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 19:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > The exact same text appears in the earlier Fedora Core versions info > manuals. I am just puzzled at what has changed between FC4 and rawhide > versions now. This is an important point, Bill. You are reporting that something has changed between FC4 and FC5, and as the interested party and expert, please be specific. Quoting information that has been in Fedora Core since FC 1 isn't getting through our thick skulls. We need to know what has changed, how to deal with it, and where to go for more information. I appreciate the report, but unfortunately, I don't have the time or knowledge without further research to understand the problem enough to write up. Here's a template, maybe this can help you get started: "Changes in coreutils in Fedora Core 5 may mean you need to provide specific environment variables for older scripts that use a POSIX in a certain way. [Some detail.] To change one script, do this: * foo To make this change across your entire environment, do this: * bar For more details, refer to the info page on the local system: info coreutils Standards" -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if you have a newer system but are running > > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > > > >Sorry, I'm cranky. Now I have to go put a wrapper around coreutils and > >log old-style arguments. > > > The exact same text appears in the earlier Fedora Core versions info > manuals. I am just puzzled at what has changed between FC4 and rawhide > versions now. I apologize for being intemperate, Rahul. The default version is now _POSIX2_VERSION=200112 not 199209. So we are now conformant with a braindead standard. The last time something this stupid happened in scripting land was the BSD/SYSV "echo" divergence. (Quiz: how does one portably echo?) The problem with environment variables is that: 1. They are inherited, and so inflict collateral damage on code that may make conflicting use/assumptions. In the specific case of sort and head, that's not too bad, since files beginning with '+' are rare (at least in any code written by paleolithic unix folk). 2. There are numerous ways that they can fail to be set. The bash(1) INVOCATION section is telling. Everyone who has written a non-trivial crontab entry has encountered the problem of differing environment. Any security-conscious program that carefully constructs its environment may fail recognize and propagate the variable. Oh well, I'm not asking anyone to revert it. But it is going to break a lot of scripts that strip a header (| tail +2) and/or sorts (| sort +...). A change like this really needs a mechanism to detect it. I'm going to end up patching coreutils to detect old-style argument usage conflicts, log the command invocation (to syslog, I guess). Bill From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 14:13:28 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:13:28 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Robert F. Chapman In-Reply-To: <1141893692.3219.49.camel@robert-chapman-lt.technosapian.com> References: <1141893692.3219.49.camel@robert-chapman-lt.technosapian.com> Message-ID: <1141913608.3391.118.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 00:41 -0800, Robert F. Chapman wrote: > Robert F. Chapman > California, USA Welcome, Robert. If anything, I'm always happy to see more Fedora folks from California, sometimes I get lonely thinking the Fedora community is happening all over the world but right here. :) Our first questions for folks are: Do you want to receive direction of a part of the project to start working on? Specific tasks or a short-list of needs? Or do you prefer to dive in, fish around, and choose your own way? Some more comments ... > Goals: > Help make a difference in the Linux Community. > Give something back for all that has been gained from the many > contributors of Linux/Redhat Distro. > Too many times when reading documentation for the Fedora > Project, I have come across grammatical/spelling errors. For the most > part, I think all that have contributed have done a great job. I have > often wanted to send little snippets for correction, but don't know who > to send it to.. I like your solution! Can't figure out who in the community can solve these problems, so you become one of the solvers instead. > I would like to learn more about the process of distributed > documentation creation/maintenance, where more than one person is > working on a document. Also I would like to learn more about "Docbook" > and the methods used to create CSS enriched content documents. You definitely came to the right place. Have you seen this starter page? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters Our Documentation Guide is about three days from beginning a major overhaul, led by Paul W. Frields (with me as the sidekick); it is largely accurate in some areas, wildly out of date in others, but it is the basis for what we use to teach DocBook and distributed working: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/documentation-guide/ http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/DocumentationGuide (scratch space) Thanks, and again, welcome, - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll scrawl something out later; right now I need to do my day-job, as my colleague is on vacation. Thanks for the interest. Bill Rugolsky From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 14:15:54 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:15:54 -0500 Subject: Coreutils POSIX changes not documented in release notes In-Reply-To: <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> References: <20060308190707.GC25611@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <440FD15D.7080002@fedoraproject.org> <20060309125627.GA22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> <441029B1.5000609@fedoraproject.org> <20060309132538.GB22150@ti64.telemetry-investments.com> Message-ID: <1141913754.12769.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 08:25 -0500, Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 06:42:17PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >You can disagree all you want, but this is a change from FC4 to FC5: > > > > > >fc4% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 > > >Mar 7 00:27:35 ti63 smartd[2187]: Device: /dev/sda, Temperature changed > > >-2 Celsius to 35 Celsius since last report > > > > > >rawhide% sort +2 < /var/log/messages | head -1 > > >sort: open failed: +2: No such file or directory > > > > > > > > > > > This seems unrelated to the man page entry you quoted. Can you find more > > information on this and provide us the content? > > I don't mean to be an ass, but do you read before you mouth off? Judging by > the fedora-* list traffic, no. Let's try again: No need to be rude, Rahul wasn't. He was matter of factly stating a request, not questioning your intelligence. > 1003.1-2001. For example, if you have a newer system but are running > software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or > `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting > `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. > > Sorry, I'm cranky. Now I have to go put a wrapper around coreutils and > log old-style arguments. > > Environment variable tests are completely broken. That was already known > in the 1970's ... but I gave up on POSIX when I was a reviewer for the > pthreads drafts ... The change in this behavior in GNU sort(1) was noted when the POSIX standard changed back in 2001 or so. I believe there was a lot of talk around that time about the new behavior. It was known at that time that scripts using the [soon to be] deprecated "sort +N" behavior would [eventually] need to change under GNU coreutils. Looks like they finally broke the compatibility to make the change complete, at least in GNU sort(1). Certainly we can note *that* in the release notes, and if you're able to track down other specific breakages between FC4 and FC5, those would be good candidates for relnotes as well. Thanks for your efforts. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 9 14:23:31 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:23:31 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Robert F. Chapman In-Reply-To: <1141893692.3219.49.camel@robert-chapman-lt.technosapian.com> References: <1141893692.3219.49.camel@robert-chapman-lt.technosapian.com> Message-ID: <1141914212.12769.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 00:41 -0800, Robert F. Chapman wrote: > Robert F. Chapman > California, USA > Senior Manufacturing Test Engineer - Test Systems Development > Maxim Integrated Products > > Goals: > Help make a difference in the Linux Community. > Give something back for all that has been gained from the many > contributors of Linux/Redhat Distro. > Too many times when reading documentation for the Fedora > Project, I have come across grammatical/spelling errors. For the most > part, I think all that have contributed have done a great job. I have > often wanted to send little snippets for correction, but don't know who > to send it to.. > I would like to learn more about the process of distributed > documentation creation/maintenance, where more than one person is > working on a document. Also I would like to learn more about "Docbook" > and the methods used to create CSS enriched content documents. > > Historical Qualifications: > > Most of my qualifications for this group would be in the > technical writing that I have done for the company that I work for. I > manage an IT group for our engineering department. I have written many > technical and training documents for *nix and other Integrated Systems. > My Computer Skills are vast, and range from hardware to > software and Networking, Systems Integration, embedded controllers, > Micro controllers etc.. I have been working with computers since the > mid '70s and have watched computer/software technology blossom into what > it is today. > Other skills and hobbies include: Photography, Teaching, > programming (Assembly, C, PASCAL, PHP, HTML, PERL, JAVA etc..), in > general a technical nut! (techie) Hi Robert! Thanks for the nice self-introduction, and we look forward to working with you. You will probably want to sign up for a Fedora account: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ Once you've done that, and finished the CLA (Contributor License Agreement), you can sign up for a Wiki account as well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ If you're interested in a very quick overview of DocBook XML, you can look at the article I wrote for Red Hat Magazine last month: http://www.redhat.com/magazine/016feb06/features/docbook_xml/ There's a bit more "wires and pliers" in the Documentation Guide, but Karsten and I are soon going to start a major overhaul on that document so it matches are updated processes. We would welcome your help in making sure that document is understandable to people who are new to the project. Many of us have been here too long to see it with fresh eyes! Would you consider yourself a person who prefers to be assigned specific work, or do you prefer to look around, find something that interests you, and jump in? In either case, welcome and please post to the list with any questions or issues. People here are friendly and interested in your input. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 14:28:26 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 06:28:26 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Edward Haddock In-Reply-To: <440FA9F8.3080703@verizon.net> References: <440FA9F8.3080703@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1141914506.3391.134.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 18:07 -1000, Edward Haddock wrote: > Aloha all, Aloha. Welcome to the Documentation Project. Just a few quick questions to get started: Do you want direction on which part of the project needs contributors? Or even a specific assignment? Or do you prefer to look around and find what you are interested? This is a place to get started; please let us know what is good, missing, confusing, and stupid about this page, if you notice anything work commenting on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters > Edward R Haddock Jr here. I live in Wahiawa, Hawaii, USA. I am a > Satellite Systems Technician and Network Manager currently working for > BAE Systems at A Government Satellite Facility. My goals at this point > are not many. I am not a professional writer or editor at all. I would > like to help if I can. I can review documents for grammar/writing style > but am not technically savvy enough to do that side of things. No problems. Your skill level in all things is needed, simply because Fedora readers/users are at all skill levels. I guarantee that if you are interested enough to read and comment on various documents, you are going to find obfuscation :) or unspecified assumptions that the old- timey UNIX people wouldn't notice, but need to be spelled out for the rest of the world. > I have > not worked on any projects prior to this so I am very new to it all. > Please be patient with me. Don't know if our reputation proceeds us, but we pride ourselves on being, "The kinder, gentler Fedora sub-project." ;-D This makes Fedora Documentation a good place to get started with open source projects. Also, a great thing about working with newbies (like me!) is that our enthusiasm is still greater than our cynicism. This reminds me of how to have fun and success in Aikido, the Japanese martial art that means "Way of Harmonizing Energy." The more enthusiasm (energy) that a student brings to the mat, the more fun they are going to have getting thrown all over the place. Often it is more fun to be tossed through the air and learn how to land gracefully than to be the tosser. :) > I am adequate on the computer. I would say I > am a little above a novice and am definitely new to Fedora. I am very > good with Electronics and those types of things and currently working on > my computer science degree. My main hope here is to contribute to > something I feel is worthwhile. Open Source has inspired me You are in good company here. :) Welcome, and again, please let us know how you want to be integrated into the project (directed at activities or left to own devices). Cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, if you have a newer system but are running >>> software that assumes an older version of POSIX and uses `sort +1' or >>> `tail +10', you can work around any compatibility problems by setting >>> `_POSIX2_VERSION=199209' in your environment. >>> >>>Sorry, I'm cranky. Now I have to go put a wrapper around coreutils and >>>log old-style arguments. >>> >>> >>> >>The exact same text appears in the earlier Fedora Core versions info >>manuals. I am just puzzled at what has changed between FC4 and rawhide >>versions now. >> >> > >I apologize for being intemperate, Rahul. > > You are probably annoyed with the change which is very understandable, having been a web administrator for large data centers in my previous life but this isnt the right forum for expressing your distaste with this particular change since we are pretty much inheriting a upstream change. The info manual you quote which hasnt changed for a few releases didnt help me understand the context and the significance of this change in this release and I freely admit to be blissfully unaware of this change until it was specifically pointed out to me since all my work on Fedora (including tracking the current development tree) is done on my personal time which has been increasingly limited. Thank you for bring this to our attention. >The default version is now _POSIX2_VERSION=200112 not 199209. > > Ah. That makes much better sense. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/PackageNotes -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 9 23:33:40 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:33:40 -0800 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <440FD1BB.20703@fedoraproject.org> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060308130701.26f6bf28.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <440FD1BB.20703@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1141947220.9552.20.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 12:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > While its good to analyze these kinds of questions, I would like to get > a more specific answer on whether this content should be duplicated or > not for now in Fedora Core 5. Lets get back to the broader question later. It's all right where it is for now, it's there in the ISO. We'll keep updating the Beats for a while after FC5 is out then probably stop doing even that. This is why I was curious about the larger question, because I think it is not worth debating what comes out of the relnotes for FC 5, since they are already baked in. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 12:48:51 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 18:18:51 +0530 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <441175B3.5000701@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 14:30 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > >>Hi >> >>The network section on the release notes >>(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Networking) documents some of >>the major changes between kernel revisions but these are already nicely >>documented at http://wiki.kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges. I added this >>link to the relevant section already but maybe we should not duplicate >>this information within the release notes unnecessarily? >> >> > >It is an interesting question that dovetails into something that I was >thinking about this morning: > >How online can we go with our release notes? How far _should_ we go? > >On-system documentation is very valuable, that is, manual and info >pages. What role do the release notes play in on-system documentation? >Can/should they be useful in a non-network situation? > >The release notes can give a location to list bugs fixed, bugs known, >and latest information that could not make it into package >documentation. Should it do that? > > I strongly believe it should provide references to this information but not include them within the release notes itself. We should provide a list of bug reports fixed with equivalent bugzilla links. We should also summarize and present major known issues and total bug count. Our build system should do this along with the rawhide reports. As an example, this is pretty useful - http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumblingedge/ >A release notes is a snapshot in time of documentation that is about a >snapshot in time of code development. It seems to me a natural place to >duplicate all manner of external content that pertains to that snapshot. >Package change lists, bug reports, and content pulls from various >location can be automated. > > Our release notes serve general end users primarily but developers and more technical end users need to tap into and be able to analyze detailed information where necessary. -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 10 14:26:54 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 06:26:54 -0800 Subject: Essential Fedora Software Catalog - good task for you? Message-ID: <1142000814.9552.71.camel@erato.phig.org> Here is a document in draft stage that could be finished and ready for FC 5 or just after; http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/EssentialSoftware The focus is just to tell people about general and essential applications they may not be aware of. Anyone or small team interested in finishing this? We can do it as our first formal Fedora document on the Wiki (meaning at wiki/Docs). cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 10 14:53:56 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:23:56 +0530 Subject: Documentation build scripts Message-ID: <44119304.1080409@fedoraproject.org> Hi Might be useful http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-March/msg00043.html -- Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 10 17:08:56 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:08:56 -0800 Subject: [WIKI SNAP] FC 5 latest release notes >23:59 UTC today In-Reply-To: <1141930913.3391.153.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1141930913.3391.153.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1142010536.9552.83.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 11:01 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > Later today ... or tonight ... depending on flurries of activity from > ya'll, we are going to freeze the release notes beats for an edit pass > prior to putting out another round of XML. Considering that the FC5 launch is postponed until 20 March, we are going to unfreeze the Docs/Beats pages in the Wiki until this coming Monday or Tuesday. We shall then do a final edit through and conversion to XML for the Web launch. - Karsten 100% carefully triple-posted content! -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This will allow us to get the ru translation in to the ISO if you can get us the translation by Monday 23:59 UTC. If you have any questions let me know. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Documentation Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 10 18:58:50 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:58:50 -0500 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <441175B3.5000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> <441175B3.5000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1142017130.20273.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > >A release notes is a snapshot in time of documentation that is about a > >snapshot in time of code development. It seems to me a natural place to > >duplicate all manner of external content that pertains to that snapshot. > >Package change lists, bug reports, and content pulls from various > >location can be automated. > > > > > Our release notes serve general end users primarily but developers and > more technical end users need to tap into and be able to analyze > detailed information where necessary. I agree, as long as we can keep the actual list out of the release notes themselves. That's just a matter of putting a page somewhere in a reasonable namespace on the Wiki and linking to it, just like we do with other topics that deserve more detail than the release notes should include. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This will > > allow us to get the ru translation in to the ISO if you can get us the > > translation by Monday 23:59 UTC. If you have any questions let me know. > > > > -- > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > Fedora Documentation Projects > Andrew, That is great news. We look forward to seeing your work. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Documentation Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We shall then do a final edit through and conversion > to XML for the Web launch. hi Can I commit my translation for Release-notes (pa)? thanks A S Alam > > - Karsten > 100% carefully triple-posted content! -- A S Alam "Either find a way or make one" From docs-list at fedoralinks.org Sat Mar 11 04:37:20 2006 From: docs-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:37:20 -0600 Subject: [WIKI SNAP] FC 5 latest release notes >23:59 UTC today In-Reply-To: <200603110914.41383.apbrar@gmail.com> References: <1141930913.3391.153.camel@erato.phig.org> <1142010536.9552.83.camel@erato.phig.org> <200603110914.41383.apbrar@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142051840.2682.94.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 09:14 +0530, A S Alam wrote: > ???????? 10 ???? 2006 22:38 ???, Karsten Wade ?? ?????: > > On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 11:01 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > > > > > Later today ... or tonight ... depending on flurries of activity from > > > ya'll, we are going to freeze the release notes beats for an edit pass > > > prior to putting out another round of XML. > > > > Considering that the FC5 launch is postponed until 20 March, we are > > going to unfreeze the Docs/Beats pages in the Wiki until this coming > > Monday or Tuesday. We shall then do a final edit through and conversion > > to XML for the Web launch. > > hi > Can I commit my translation for Release-notes (pa)? > > thanks > A S Alam > > > > - Karsten > > 100% carefully triple-posted content! > > -- > A S Alam > > "Either find a way or make one" > Yes please, we need translations for ISO inclusion now by 23:59 UTC Monday. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Documentation Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From edward.haddock at verizon.net Sat Mar 11 06:58:46 2006 From: edward.haddock at verizon.net (Edward Haddock) Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:58:46 -1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Edward Haddock In-Reply-To: <1141914506.3391.134.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <440FA9F8.3080703@verizon.net> <1141914506.3391.134.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <44127526.9080401@verizon.net> Aloha Karsten, I am sorry this email is not signed. I am struggling with setting up enigmail for Thunderbird. I will continue to work on it and hopefully resolve it soon. Yes I will need some direction. At thsi point I am thinking mostly that I can review documentation and see if I can make sense of it. I am a novice so hopefully if it makes sense to me it should for most. Thank you for the warm response. I look forward to helping. :) I am very enthusiastic about FC5 and the possibilities it has. I will read that webpage and post some thoughts whne I can. Mahalo, Edward Karsten Wade wrote: >On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 18:07 -1000, Edward Haddock wrote: > > >>Aloha all, >> >> > >Aloha. Welcome to the Documentation Project. > >Just a few quick questions to get started: > >Do you want direction on which part of the project needs contributors? >Or even a specific assignment? Or do you prefer to look around and find >what you are interested? > >This is a place to get started; please let us know what is good, >missing, confusing, and stupid about this page, if you notice anything >work commenting on: > >http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters > > > >> Edward R Haddock Jr here. I live in Wahiawa, Hawaii, USA. I am a >>Satellite Systems Technician and Network Manager currently working for >>BAE Systems at A Government Satellite Facility. My goals at this point >>are not many. I am not a professional writer or editor at all. I would >>like to help if I can. I can review documents for grammar/writing style >>but am not technically savvy enough to do that side of things. >> >> > >No problems. Your skill level in all things is needed, simply because >Fedora readers/users are at all skill levels. I guarantee that if you >are interested enough to read and comment on various documents, you are >going to find obfuscation :) or unspecified assumptions that the old- >timey UNIX people wouldn't notice, but need to be spelled out for the >rest of the world. > > > >>I have >>not worked on any projects prior to this so I am very new to it all. >>Please be patient with me. >> >> > >Don't know if our reputation proceeds us, but we pride ourselves on >being, "The kinder, gentler Fedora sub-project." ;-D > >This makes Fedora Documentation a good place to get started with open >source projects. Also, a great thing about working with newbies (like >me!) is that our enthusiasm is still greater than our cynicism. > >This reminds me of how to have fun and success in Aikido, the Japanese >martial art that means "Way of Harmonizing Energy." The more enthusiasm >(energy) that a student brings to the mat, the more fun they are going >to have getting thrown all over the place. Often it is more fun to be >tossed through the air and learn how to land gracefully than to be the >tosser. :) > > > >>I am adequate on the computer. I would say I >>am a little above a novice and am definitely new to Fedora. I am very >>good with Electronics and those types of things and currently working on >>my computer science degree. My main hope here is to contribute to >>something I feel is worthwhile. Open Source has inspired me >> >> > >You are in good company here. :) > >Welcome, and again, please let us know how you want to be integrated >into the project (directed at activities or left to own devices). > >Cheers - Karsten > > From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Sat Mar 11 18:37:04 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 18:37:04 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Documentation build scripts In-Reply-To: <44119304.1080409@fedoraproject.org> References: <44119304.1080409@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <34727.192.168.100.90.1142102224.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > Hi > > Might be useful > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-March/msg00043.html > Very nice PDFs. If we can get something like that, that would be cool. They must use the Sun JAVA? Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sat Mar 11 19:18:32 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 13:18:32 -0600 Subject: Documentation build scripts In-Reply-To: <34727.192.168.100.90.1142102224.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <44119304.1080409@fedoraproject.org> <34727.192.168.100.90.1142102224.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <20060311131832.0ebf03cf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Gavin Henry" , spake thus: > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-March/msg00043.html > Very nice PDFs. If we can get something like that, that would be cool. > They must use the Sun JAVA? This uses Apache FOP as the PDF rendering engine. However, it *does* come with a customized XSLT stylesheet that we could use. The PDF stylesheet in "docs-common/xsl" has not been altered since its import many, many moons ago. I'll look at updating the PDF stylesheet, then. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Mar 12 17:32:25 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:32:25 -0800 Subject: Linux kernel changes on the release notes In-Reply-To: <441175B3.5000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <440E9D13.9040303@fedoraproject.org> <1141844055.3391.34.camel@erato.phig.org> <441175B3.5000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1142184745.2812.54.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I strongly believe it should provide references to this information but > not include them within the release notes itself. We should provide a > list of bug reports fixed with equivalent bugzilla links. We should also > summarize and present major known issues and total bug count. Our build > system should do this along with the rawhide reports. As an example, > this is pretty useful - http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/rumblingedge/ Yes, definitely. If we do not get someone in the project to do this work, I'm hoping to grab the tail of similar tools for the RHEL side of the house. A generated table with bug # that links to the report and the bug summary. I agree, this information is desired and useful to many people. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Mar 12 17:35:51 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:35:51 -0800 Subject: Documentation build scripts In-Reply-To: <20060311131832.0ebf03cf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <44119304.1080409@fedoraproject.org> <34727.192.168.100.90.1142102224.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <20060311131832.0ebf03cf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1142184951.2812.59.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 13:18 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered "Gavin Henry" , spake thus: > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-March/msg00043.html > > Very nice PDFs. If we can get something like that, that would be cool. > > They must use the Sun JAVA? > > This uses Apache FOP as the PDF rendering engine. Yes, with a few exceptions the FOP output is very nice. I agree they must be using a proprietary JVM to compile FOP, although the article mentions they did try gcj and had some performance concerns. I was going to look into that. > However, it *does* come with a customized XSLT stylesheet that we > could use. The PDF stylesheet in "docs-common/xsl" has not been > altered since its import many, many moons ago. > > I'll look at updating the PDF stylesheet, then. Agreed. It is derived from Norm Walsh's XSL. It is rather customized, but we could use that as a reference or starting point. The XSL as-is is probably better for FOP than what we have right now. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stuart at elsn.org Mon Mar 13 00:29:39 2006 From: stuart at elsn.org (Stuart Ellis) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:29:39 +0000 Subject: Yum Tutorial Branched for FC5 In-Reply-To: <1142206592.13013.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142195512.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142206592.13013.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142209779.11077.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 18:36 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 20:31 +0000, Stuart Ellis wrote: > > yum-software-management has been tagged and branched: > > "yum-FC-4-updates". > > > > The docs-common module has also been tagged, with "yum-FC-4". > > Did you tag recursively? I can't see the tags on e.g. the > "y-s-m/en_US/y-s-m.xml" file. I migrated to en_US after branching - the en_US/ directory didn't exist in the FC-4 branch. -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 01:04:56 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:04:56 -0500 Subject: Yum Tutorial Branched for FC5 In-Reply-To: <1142209779.11077.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1142195512.11077.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142206592.13013.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1142209779.11077.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1142211896.17226.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 00:29 +0000, Stuart Ellis wrote: > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 18:36 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sun, 2006-03-12 at 20:31 +0000, Stuart Ellis wrote: > > > yum-software-management has been tagged and branched: > > > "yum-FC-4-updates". > > > > > > The docs-common module has also been tagged, with "yum-FC-4". > > > > Did you tag recursively? I can't see the tags on e.g. the > > "y-s-m/en_US/y-s-m.xml" file. > > I migrated to en_US after branching - the en_US/ directory didn't exist > in the FC-4 branch. Well, that would explain it then! :-D -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jncp at netcabo.pt Mon Mar 13 18:19:01 2006 From: jncp at netcabo.pt (=?utf-8?q?Jos=C3=A9_Nuno_Coelho_Sanarra_Pires?=) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:19:01 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Self-Introduction: Jose Nuno Pires Message-ID: <200603131819.08823.jncp@netcabo.pt> Full Name: Jos? Nuno Pires City/Country: Lisboa / Portugal Profession: Project Manager Company: INOV / Inesc Inova??o Goals in the Fedora Project: - To translate documentation for Fedora into European Portuguese - Proofreading existing documentation - Do you want to edit for grammar/writing and/or technical accuracy? Yes Historical qualifications: - Translator for Red Hat/Fedora applications into European Portuguese since 1998 - Translator for KDE into European Portuguese since 1997 - Developer since 1993/94 in several languages (Basic, C, C++, Java, Python) - Collaborator in a Python learning book "Python Curso Completo" in 2001 with Pedro Morais What makes you an excellent match for the project? - To make Portuguese one of the fully-supported languages on Red Hat/Fedora distributions - Always trying to keep translations correct, up-to-date and consistent, with the help of automation scripts which help validating the correctness and consistency of the result (http://gettext-lint.sourceforge.net) GPG KEYID: 3636 445B GPG Fingerprint: 3E41 838E 84C7 3849 345B 210C 7426 A162 3636 445B Best regards, -- Jos? 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Regards, Andrew Martynov On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 02:19:38PM -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 22:20 +0300, Andrew Martynov wrote: > > Hello, Robert! > > > > I`m almost ready to finish my work. > > > > The translation need some translation/proofreading and it can be done in the evening of Sunday. > > > > I`ll notify you and Karsten. > > > > Regards, > > Andrew Martynov > > > > > > > > > > Hi Andrew, > > > > > > As of this morning the release date of FC5 has been pushed. This will > > > allow us to get the ru translation in to the ISO if you can get us the > > > translation by Monday 23:59 UTC. If you have any questions let me know. > > > > > > -- > > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > > > Fedora Documentation Projects > > > > Andrew, > > That is great news. We look forward to seeing your work. > > -- > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > Fedora Documentation Projects From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 01:02:28 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 20:02:28 -0500 Subject: release notes translations for ISO due at 23:59 UTC 6 March In-Reply-To: <20060313225929.GA32706@mk61.inventa.ru> References: <1141673757.7421.42.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060307081020.GA18647@mk61.inventa.ru> <1142011458.2682.56.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <20060310192014.GA13901@mk61.inventa.ru> <1142021978.2682.59.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> <20060313225929.GA32706@mk61.inventa.ru> Message-ID: <1142298148.31463.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 01:59 +0300, Andrew Martynov wrote: > My appologies for last minute announce. > I completed ru translation and commit in to CVS just now. > > Please include this part of work inso ISO images for > FC5 if possible. Hi Andrew, Thanks for all your hard work on this. The ISO is not being respun, so we can't get this onto the CDs at this point. (This is understandable, because the release engineers have to have time to test a "settled" tree of packages.) But we will be able to include your notes on the Web site with the other languages. However, I notice that there are still some missing sections in the translation. I built the text version with the following command line: make txt # use this for FC-4 XMLTOTXTPOSTOPT='' make -e txt # use this for FC-5/Rawhide If you look at the results you'll see some missing translations where English is substituted. Will you have a chance to revisit this before tomorrow? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't think the content is final. Are there any plans for others to translate? To translate, we are converting to XML in CVS. We have a simple press- release module we are using. I'm sorry there isn't better coordination around translation. I thought we were going to use the Fedora Translation Project and the tools for locking/unlocking files from CVS. But I have not heard back from any of the Translation leaders/members about that. We will try to finalize the press release and get it into a (new) CVS module, then announce it ready for translation. I'll see about this today. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have a simple press- > release module we are using. > > I'm sorry there isn't better coordination around translation. I thought > we were going to use the Fedora Translation Project and the tools for > locking/unlocking files from CVS. But I have not heard back from any of > the Translation leaders/members about that. > > We will try to finalize the press release and get it into a (new) CVS > module, then announce it ready for translation. I'll see about this > today. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ > gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 > Content Services Fedora Documentation Project > http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject I would be glad to prepare translation for Russian speaking people. I suppose we need couple of days to prepare good translation. -- Andrew Martynov Inventa phone +7(095)7758777 fax +7(095)9270981 http://www.rhd.ru andrewm at inventa.ru From andrewm at inventa.ru Tue Mar 14 21:00:28 2006 From: andrewm at inventa.ru (Andrew Martynov) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:00:28 +0300 Subject: Text version of Release Notes Message-ID: <20060314210028.GA13356@mk61.inventa.ru> Hello, Paul! Please look into attached patch. It helps me to generate Russian text version of Release Notes with localized special items. It allows preserve "lang" atribute for
tag within RELEASE-NOTES.stripped.xml. So "Table of contents" and "the section called" replaced for translated version. 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This content will need to be replaced. * Hugo: Completed Brazilian Portuguese translation of Release Notes. * Aman: Punjabi translation of Release Notes could not be built in time for inclusion with the Fedora ISOs. Release Notes translations not included in the ISOs will be made available through the Fedora Web site. Full IRC Log: ------------- https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-dsco-list/2006-March/msg00007.html -- Stuart Ellis stuart at elsn.org Fedora Documentation Project: http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject GPG key ID: 7098ABEA GPG key fingerprint: 68B0 E291 FB19 C845 E60E 9569 292E E365 7098 ABEA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll include details on checking out and making the files work properly when we announce the press release as ready tomorrow. Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is powered by the FedoraDict page, which could be a blessing or a curse. If that is a problem, it would be trivial to fix. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ/Glossary http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDict -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 15 04:15:02 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 23:15:02 -0500 Subject: Minutes of FDSCo Meeting 14 March 2006 In-Reply-To: <200603142042.20017.nman64@n-man.com> References: <1142382515.3067.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200603142042.20017.nman64@n-man.com> Message-ID: <1142396103.11169.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 20:42 -0600, Patrick Barnes wrote: > On Tuesday 14 March 2006 18:28, Stuart Ellis wrote: > > > > * Karsten: The Jargon Buster contains content that cannot be relicensed > > under the OPL, as the contributor has not given their consent to > > relicensing. This content will need to be replaced. > > > > We actually already have a document that serves the same purpose and was > created completely independently of the Jargon Buster. It is much smaller, > but we could easily expand it to be a larger and more comprehensive document > to replace the Jargon Buster. It is powered by the FedoraDict page, which > could be a blessing or a curse. If that is a problem, it would be trivial to > fix. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ/Glossary > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDict FWIW, I have also finished replacement of the offending material in the Jargon Buster. The resulting document is eligible for relicensing under the OPL. I would love to see a single-source version of this document, provided that it can be packaged as an RPM for use on non-connected systems. For right now that probably means we need to wait for a better (and two-way) conversion system between the Wiki and CVS for happily combining these two glossaries. I am betting that it wouldn't be beyond reason to have a nice Python utility that could output DocBook to MoinMoin and simply do an HTTP POST to update the Wiki appropriately. Hmm... -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 15 14:52:24 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:52:24 -0800 Subject: Fwd: Self-Introduction: Jose Nuno Pires In-Reply-To: <200603131819.08823.jncp@netcabo.pt> References: <200603131819.08823.jncp@netcabo.pt> Message-ID: <1142434344.26415.69.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2006-03-13 at 18:19 +0000, Jos? Nuno Coelho Sanarra Pires wrote: > Full Name: Jos? Nuno Pires Welcome. > - Translator for Red Hat/Fedora applications into European Portuguese since > 1998 We are going to eventually be connected using the Translation Project systems (http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status) , hopefully before FC 6. In the meantime, you can do translations directly in CVS. This page helps explain what you need to do and know: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation However, the "Translation Process" on that page is possibly inaccurate. Can others who understand what is incorrect please fix it? There is/was a page on translating the Wiki, but I cannot find it. > What makes you an excellent match for the project? > > - To make Portuguese one of the fully-supported languages on Red Hat/Fedora > distributions > > - Always trying to keep translations correct, up-to-date and consistent, > with the help of automation scripts which help validating the correctness > and consistency of the result (http://gettext-lint.sourceforge.net) Perhaps you can help add support for consistency and spell-check to the toolchain. Thanks, and again, welcome to the Fedora Documentation Project. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From hugo at devin.com.br Wed Mar 15 15:39:18 2006 From: hugo at devin.com.br (Hugo Cisneiros) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:39:18 -0300 Subject: Fwd: Self-Introduction: Jose Nuno Pires In-Reply-To: <1142434344.26415.69.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200603131819.08823.jncp@netcabo.pt> <1142434344.26415.69.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <44183526.40709@devin.com.br> Karsten Wade wrote: > There is/was a page on translating the Wiki, but I cannot find it. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Languages But some standards on translating are not "decided" yet, leaving to the translator's common sense. This includes the URL Names. You can discuss this and view the archive in the fedora-websites-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list -- []'s Eitch http://www.devin.com.br/eitch/ "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Mar 15 18:02:41 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:02:41 -0600 Subject: Press release translation In-Reply-To: <1142384443.26415.24.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1142367321.3270.63.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060314204639.GA13036@mk61.inventa.ru> <1142384443.26415.24.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20060315120241.9fe28806.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > Tommy is working on the build side of the module. It is handled > differently than other documentation XML. The press-release building process now works using the stock xmlto RPM from the distro. Give it a try and let me know of problems. I haven't tested the I18N portions thoroughly, so stuff like the date formatting and character set may be off in places. As a temporary measure, I've disabled the text-only formatting. Only PDF generation is supported. If it's important, I may be able to cobble up some sort of flat ASCII output until xmlto "does the right thing"(tm). -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From edward.haddock at verizon.net Wed Mar 15 22:33:51 2006 From: edward.haddock at verizon.net (Edward Haddock) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:33:51 -1000 Subject: Exapnsion of Section II. B. of Porposed Documentation Guide "Join Mailing List" Message-ID: <1142462031.3841.2.camel@edward.haddock.family> Aloha, I wrote this up as an outline to start working through the mentioned section. 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Right? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Tech Writer * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Content Services Fedora Documentation Project http://www.redhat.com/docs http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com Thu Mar 16 21:39:05 2006 From: francesco.ugolini at fedora.redhat.com (Francesco Ugolini) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:39:05 +0100 Subject: The italian version of press release Message-ID: <20C3B5C4-62E8-4407-9C62-D18A9B9CFFFF@fedora.redhat.com> I've attached the italian translation of Fedora Core 5 press release in .xml format. I don't have the cvs privilege so if you can post for me. 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I don't have the cvs privilege so if you can post for > me. > > Thanks > > Francesco Ugolini -- Francesco Tombolini Key fingerprint = EDA9 7504 AA93 CEFC 5990 1356 8584 6B05 F140 5F73 http://www.adamantio.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From edward.haddock at verizon.net Fri Mar 17 06:43:09 2006 From: edward.haddock at verizon.net (Edward Haddock) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:43:09 -1000 Subject: An idea for an article Message-ID: <1142577790.5799.2.camel@edward.haddock.family> Aloha all, I am working on an article for Fedora News or something like that. Please let me know what you think. it's only beginning but I am trying to put it down before I forget it. Mahalo, Edward Article.... Aloha. Let me share with you a rewarding experience that happened to me. I was using an Operating System(OS) and I enjoyed it very much. The philosophy behind this OS was that freedom is the most important thing. Choice mattered. I grew with the OS over time and can honestly say that I am still a novice in many respects. But that is alright. The OS will accommodate me just fine and if I have problems, there are many folks who have traveled this path as well who are willing to help. My experience started when I decided that I needed to give to this OS. At first I did not know where to contribute. I looked around and there are places where you can contribute to individual products but nothing that contributed specifically to the OS I was using. Then I found http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject and I was amazed. I did not have to be a programmer or computer expert to help. All I needed to do was help write about something I believed in. Imagine my trepidation if you can for a moment. I was worried about being swamped with demands to program or perhaps even work with deep technical subjects of Unix Arcana. I was certainly a little worried that I would not be able to help. But, I am happy to report, the exact opposite is true. I have been welcomed with open arms and open minds. Fitting, don't you think, for an Open source Operating System? I do. That is what the Fedora Documentation Project has done for me. There are many reasons to join. Like these; http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WhyJoin But I believe, in the end, it must come form within you. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If that is a problem, it would be trivial to > fix. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ/Glossary > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDict Cool, that's in-line with what I was thinking, to move our good content to the Wiki and make it easier for others to contribute. It even conceptually matches, as we are producing in effect a Fedora dictionary. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -- Elliot ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 16:16:32 -0500 From: Cron Daemon To: webmaster at fedora.redhat.com Subject: Cron /root/fedoracvsup PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-BackwardsCompatibility.php on line 5 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-DatabaseServers.php on line 5 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-I18n.php on line 24 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-Java.php on line 10 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-Multimedia.php on line 5 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-Samba.php on line 5 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-Virtualization.php on line 5 PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /var/fedorascratch/LIVE-2006-03-20-16.15/tmp/html/docs/release-notes/fc5/sn-Xorg.php on line 17 From nman64 at n-man.com Tue Mar 21 07:56:36 2006 From: nman64 at n-man.com (Patrick Barnes) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 01:56:36 -0600 Subject: The Morning After Message-ID: <200603210156.40386.nman64@n-man.com> To start off, congratulations are in order for everyone who was involved in bringing Fedora Core 5 to fruition. Fedora Core 5 is the most outstanding Fedora Core release to date, and we've seen a lot of progress since Fedora Core 4. Thank you and congratulations to everyone! Overall, I think the Fedora Core 5 release was a great success. We had a few minor glitches, as will always happen on release day, but things really came together to deliver this awesome release in an awesome way. While the excitement is still strong, let's look back over the events leading up to and immediately following the release, and see what we can do to make things better both for the lifetime of this release and for future releases. Over the weekend, we saw quite a few leaked ISOs flying around. This is to be expected, but we need to try to minimize this to avoid potential problems. We also saw a large number of users take advantage of BitTorrent, which greatly reduced demand on the main servers, but, as always, people are always looking for more bandwidth. We've got plans in the works that will help, but there's always room for more improvement. It is great that there is so much interest, so how can we best support that interest without failing our release goals? A lot of switches and buttons had to be operated manually for this release. We could almost certainly add automation and scheduling, and we could streamline processes to make life easier on ourselves. We had to update a lot of information on both fedora.redhat.com and fedoraproject.org. We have some unnecessary duplication, and there are places where we can get things working a little more smoothly. Jesse, and anyone else working on these things, what did you notice? How can we improve the process? It took a fair chunk of the day to get the latest release notes up on the website and working properly. Surely, we can automate some of this. I know a lot of work is going into getting the build tools working better, but what else can we do to simplify this for a prompt release reaction? There were a few other technical errors or delays, such as those that prompted symlinking torrent URLs and the update to the release announcement, the lack of the planned instructions for CD-burning in the distribution directories, and a few known flaws in the final release. These kinds of things are bound to happen, especially when internal issues arise just before the release, but that's no reason to ignore them. What did we miss, and how can we make sure we get it right next time? Finally, there has been a lot of buzz leading up to and following the release. We saw a refreshing surge even before the release hit. That's great, but the buzz could still be bigger. We saw a few reviews of the test releases, and many sites have published new information in the last 24 hours, but how can we generate more of this? Did anybody notice particular areas that were undersold? Now is the time for radical thoughts and ideas that can shape what we do to support Fedora Core 5 and prepare for Fedora Core 6. Let's hear them! -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64 at n-man.com http://www.n-man.com/ Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sylvain.bouchet at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 10:09:39 2006 From: sylvain.bouchet at gmail.com (Sylvain Bouchet) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 11:09:39 +0100 Subject: Wiki ? Message-ID: <7e3da9750603210209s180a4dafk@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I'm using fedora at work. Thanks to all ! I was reading french documentations on the wiki, but I saw some mistakes. I was ok to contribute, to rewrite in my native language, it's easy for me. But contributing is realy too hard, too complex. Sign-in in the wiki, done. Sign-in in the mailling-list, done, confirmed. Sign-in in bugzilla, done. what next ? a pgp sign. This is too complex, sory. This is not a wiki. Have you ever tried wikipedia. From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Tue Mar 21 13:45:07 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:45:07 +0100 Subject: Wiki ? In-Reply-To: <7e3da9750603210209s180a4dafk@mail.gmail.com> References: <7e3da9750603210209s180a4dafk@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1142948708.2504.4.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Hi Sylvain, I now it can be dissuasive for beginners to subscribe to the wiki, however, don't give up! we, French people, really need exterior help for the wiki translation! If you want some help about anything, feel free to ask for help, fedora people are open and comprehensive ones! Thomas Canniot, ... ... who would be glad to work with as many people as possible on the French wiki translation ! Le mardi 21 mars 2006 ? 11:09 +0100, Sylvain Bouchet a ?crit : > Hello, > > I'm using fedora at work. Thanks to all ! > > I was reading french documentations on the wiki, but I saw some mistakes. > I was ok to contribute, to rewrite in my native language, it's easy for me. > > But contributing is realy too hard, too complex. > > Sign-in in the wiki, done. > Sign-in in the mailling-list, done, confirmed. > Sign-in in bugzilla, done. > > what next ? a pgp sign. > > This is too complex, sory. > > This is not a wiki. Have you ever tried wikipedia. > From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 21 23:16:58 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:16:58 -0800 Subject: Exapnsion of Section II. B. of Porposed Documentation Guide "Join Mailing List" In-Reply-To: <1142462031.3841.2.camel@edward.haddock.family> References: <1142462031.3841.2.camel@edward.haddock.family> Message-ID: <1142983018.8381.75.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2006-03-15 at 12:33 -1000, Edward Haddock wrote: > Aloha, > I wrote this up as an outline to start working through the mentioned > section. It is text only and gives me an outline to start working with. > Feedback appreciated. Also, who is heading this part up? Please drop me > a line. Paul W. Frields, with me as his able-bodied assistant. :) Man, that's a lot of steps to contribute! And here I thought we'd _lowered_ the barriers ... One that I didn't see in your list is join the Wiki, like this: 6) Get a wiki account I. FirstnameLastname == accountable II. Read these URLs: WikiEditing, WikiWorkflow ?, etc. III. Make a userpage so that people can find you IV. Request an alias? cheers - Karsten > Mahalo, > Edward > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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List of speakers so far is: Latest Speakers * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu * Gervase Markham - TBC * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark * Alex Hudson - Hula * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank * Ewan Spence - TBC * Christian Schaller - GStreamer Latest Exhibitors * CentOS * Joomla! * UKLinux * MythTV * Bytemark Hosting * OpenDocument Fellowship * KDE/Kubuntu * O'Reilly So quite high-profile! Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? Anyone other ideas? Can we get any goodies to give away? Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main LugRadio Site? Thoughts most welcome! Thanks, Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Mar 23 12:37:45 2006 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:37:45 -0000 (GMT) Subject: [Resend] LugRadio Live 2006 - Fedora BOF Message-ID: <58611.195.38.86.72.1143117465.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> ---------------------------- Sorry, thought it bounced. ---------------------------- Dear Lists, I've been invited to run a Fedora BOF at this years LugRadio Live event: http://lugradio.org/live/2006/index.php/Main_Page It's a 2-Day Event. List of speakers so far is: Latest Speakers * Mark Shuttleworth - Ubuntu * Gervase Markham - TBC * Bastien Nocera - GNOME development and Fedora * Simon Phipps - Open Source and Sun * Richard Moore - IBM and Open Source * Jonathan Haslam - DTrace * Steve Coast - OpenStreetmap * Kat Goodwin, Jen Phillips and Phated - Women in Open Source * Edward Hervey - PiTiVi * Scott James Remnant - Ubuntu * Barbie - Messagelabs and Perl * Mirco M?ller - Lowfat - a natural way to view your files...with a twist * Sarah Ewen - Linux on Playstation 2 * Bruno Bord - This Talk May Contain Swearing * Jonathan Riddell - KDE 4 and Kubuntu Dapper * Matthew Bloch - Virtualisation and Bytemark * Alex Hudson - Hula * Martin Vogel - BBC Action Network * Ian Lynch - OpenDocument * Martijn van de Streek - Ubuntu * Michael Meeks - OpenOffice.org * Matthew Garrett - Linux and Laptops * John Leach - Everybody Loves Eric Raymond * Elliot Smith - Ruby On Rails * Paul Cooper - OpenAdvantage * Tom Steinberg - MySociety and Pledgebank * Ewan Spence - TBC * Christian Schaller - GStreamer Latest Exhibitors * CentOS * Joomla! * UKLinux * MythTV * Bytemark Hosting * OpenDocument Fellowship * KDE/Kubuntu * O'Reilly So quite high-profile! Might also be doing a talk on Catalyst with one of the Catalyst Devel Team. I was planning to talk about Fedora Docs and plans for FC6? Anyone other ideas? Can we get any goodies to give away? Can/do we have a Blurb for these kinds of things to put in the main LugRadio Site? Thoughts most welcome! Thanks, Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From andrewm at inventa.ru Thu Mar 23 14:12:08 2006 From: andrewm at inventa.ru (Andrew Martynov) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:12:08 +0300 Subject: Release Notes on web are strange Message-ID: <20060323141208.GA959@mk61.inventa.ru> Hello, Karsten and guys! Please look into Release Notes page http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/ru/ and http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/fc5/it/ Some section is not translated. I suppose there was used old PO files from CVS for fedora.redhat.com web page. Unfortunatelly I have limited e-mail and web access for next week, so I`m not able to see your reply before tomorrow. -- Andrew Martynov Inventa phone +7(095)7758777 fax +7(095)9270981 http://www.rhd.ru andrewm at inventa.ru From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 23 19:04:49 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:04:49 -0800 Subject: PDF workarounds Message-ID: <1143140689.8381.143.camel@erato.phig.org> Jeff Fearn, doing some work for Red Hat out of Australia, took a long, hard look at resolving our problems with the passivetex treatment of FO in making PDFs. His conclusion was, use a workaround in the XML. This from a guy who hates workarounds to bugs in the tools! So, that carries extra weight for me. I want to hear from anyone who has problems with PDF output and if these fixes help. Let's get some repeatable problems together with existing XML and file or support whatever bug reports we can. Problem: Poor Table Output Reason: passivetex is not generating or passing adjustable column widths properly. Workaround: Set fixed column widths in all your XML tables: ... From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 23 20:18:59 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:18:59 -0800 Subject: Amendment of the article "Translate Fedora in Microsoft Windows" In-Reply-To: <1142906055.4689.6.camel@rain.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <1142906055.4689.6.camel@rain.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143145139.8381.195.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 11:54 +1000, Chester Cheng wrote: > Hi Karsten, > > I modified the document "Translate Fedora in Microsoft Windows" and > added a paragraph below. > It's not much. Just add some information that was mentioned earlier > in the mailing list. > However, I cannot commit it back to the cvs repository. > Can you help me compile and upload the file? Certainly, sorry about the delay in responding. I was traveling Monday and Wednesday, with full meetings in between, so I'm a few days behind. I'm adding fedora-docs-list to the Cc:, as this is a greater resource than I alone,. : Committing to CVS: ================== You'll need to give some details, such as the error message. Which CVSROOT were you working on? For example, the content is kept in cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/translation- guide-windows, while the content that publishes on the website: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/translation-windows/ is drawn from CVS at cvs.fedora:/cvs/fedora/web/html/docs/translation- windows. For the source content in /cvs/docs, there are no restrictions on access. But you have to first have a CVS account. I tried to add 'ccheng' to the 'cvsdocs' group via admin.fedora.r.c, and got an error that I think means there is no such account as 'ccheng'. If you need a Fedora account, this page explains things well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem Once you have the account and have signed the CLA, you can then request access to the 'cvsdocs' group, and I'll approve it. This grants you access to that area of the CVS, i.e., /cvs/docs. Once there, you have permission to the whole repository. Building XML: ============= You need these modules: cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/translation-guide-windows cvs.fedora:/cvs/docs/docs-common However, the translation-guide-windows module needs to be modernized to work with the i18n'ized toolchain. The module 'example-tutorial' can be looked at to understand how to modify the directory structure. 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You can see the list using this search: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=SELinux&titlesearch=Titles Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 13:49:36 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:49:36 -0500 Subject: Anaconda: good work! In-Reply-To: <1143045925.24028.12.camel@orodruin.boston.redhat.com> References: <131501c64dc2$fe1522b0$b6491b31@td612671> <1143045925.24028.12.camel@orodruin.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143208176.2929.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:45 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: >> * Links don't work in Release Notes >> Rather frustrating, considering the size of the doc. >> Links within the document should work, if they >> look like regular links (color, cursor) > > Yeah. We didn't have HTML release notes until late in the game. At > that point, I noticed but it was a bit risky to be going and making > the necessary changes to have them work. > >> * External links in Release Notes are confusing >> These can't possibly work, it would be nice if we >> can disable them to avoid confusion. > > Hrm. Not sure how to handle this. They could conceivably work in > network installs, but are almost certainly a bad idea. Maybe the way > to do this is to do some processing on the release notes file before > we feed it to the viewer This was my thought too. A small XSL snippet and a specialized Makefile target for the Anaconda-destined build should take care of this. I don't think anyone would reasonably argue against the fact that you guys are using GtkHtml3 (right?) to render the notes in Anaconda now. But it would best not to mislead readers also. I am cc'ing the Docs list on this so we can capture the discussion, but a bug would be appreciated, filed against Fedora Documentation -> toolchain-devel. >> * Release Notes too big? >> I found them to be too big/verbose, especially for >> a light read during install. But maybe it's just me. > > Yep, the Docs project has rocked at getting lots of content. This has > the downside of there being lots of content. Double-edged sword... Hey, are you trolling for compliments? OK, OK, Anaconda ROCKS. ;-D (No, seriously.) In any case, I agree, the release notes are a little TOO sizable. I think the general tenor with having community-provided "beats" with a different author for each one means that everyone is under the impression their content is of paramount importance. With a very decentralized process the first time through, we erred on the side of inclusion, so as not to cheese anyone off by leaving out the one surprise that hit their particular edge case. :-) As we develop this process, which was new for FC5, I'm certain there should and will be a strong guiding personality to "wield the red pen" judiciously. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These have disappeared, too bad really. > > The main thing needed here is having a group step up to create the > content. fedora-marketing-love project maybe? :-) Certainly the Docs Project would be happy to get involved, at a minimum to provide proofreading and editing for the text. Most of our members are subscribed to marketing, IIRC. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Mar 24 20:36:01 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:06:01 +0530 Subject: Release notes errata for FC5? Message-ID: <1143232561.3802.198.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Hi We got a handful of important notes added after the ISO freeze. Can we get an errata out for the release notes? Rahul From tombo at adamantio.net Sat Mar 25 07:59:33 2006 From: tombo at adamantio.net (Francesco Tombolini) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:59:33 +0100 Subject: SELinux FAQ compiling process Message-ID: <200603250859.38426.tombo@adamantio.net> Hallo, I have seen that the content for SELinux-FAQ is updated. I would update italian language files accordingly, but I have some problems while creating po files or html content, ex.: [tombo at grafica selinux-faq]$ make po-it xml2po -o po/doc-entities.pot -k en_US/doc-entities.xml Error: cannot open file po/doc-entities.pot for writing. make: *** [po/doc-entities.pot] Error 5 or while make html-it [tombo at grafica selinux-faq]$ make html-it xml2po -o po/doc-entities.pot -k en_US/doc-entities.xml Error: cannot open file po/doc-entities.pot for writing. make: *** [po/doc-entities.pot] Error 5 what can I do to work with this documents? Best regards -- Francesco Tombolini Key fingerprint = EDA9 7504 AA93 CEFC 5990 1356 8584 6B05 F140 5F73 http://www.adamantio.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:19:08 -0500 Subject: SELinux FAQ compiling process In-Reply-To: <200603250859.38426.tombo@adamantio.net> References: <200603250859.38426.tombo@adamantio.net> Message-ID: <1143289149.2505.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Francesco, Refer to this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation I've done the optional Step 2 for you, adding the required POT files. Go ahead and run through the other steps to make sure you understand the process. If you have any problems, please feel free to ask, and thanks for reminding us to update this module! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I tried to make the po dir locally with no results... Just for info, am I wrong to think that the build process check it in cvs? Ciao -- Francesco Tombolini Key fingerprint = EDA9 7504 AA93 CEFC 5990 1356 8584 6B05 F140 5F73 http://www.adamantio.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 16:47:23 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:47:23 -0500 Subject: SELinux FAQ compiling process In-Reply-To: <200603251552.09940.tombo@adamantio.net> References: <200603250859.38426.tombo@adamantio.net> <1143289149.2505.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200603251552.09940.tombo@adamantio.net> Message-ID: <1143305243.6219.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 15:52 +0100, Francesco Tombolini wrote: > Alle 13:19, sabato 25 marzo 2006, Paul W. Frields ha scritto: > > Refer to this page: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation > > > > > > I've done the optional Step 2 for you, adding the required POT files. > > Go ahead and run through the other steps to make sure you understand the > > process. If you have any problems, please feel free to ask, and thanks > > for reminding us to update this module! > > Thankyou very much Paul now it works... > > I tried to make the po dir locally with no results... > Just for info, am I wrong to think that the build process check it in cvs? The po/ directory has to be added to CVS, preferably by the original author, but if they don't, you can. Once you add that directory, any build action you take will create the po/my-document.pot file, which should then also be added to the repository. You don't need to add anything else except your po/it.po -- everything else is built on the fly any time you need it. Thank Tommy for his diligence, or drop-ship him a pizza or $BEVERAGE. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thomas.canniot at laposte.net Sat Mar 25 21:47:07 2006 From: thomas.canniot at laposte.net (Thomas Canniot) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:47:07 +0100 Subject: Anaconda: good work! In-Reply-To: <1143208849.2929.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <131501c64dc2$fe1522b0$b6491b31@td612671> <1143059367.5126.9.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> <1143133354.23486.17.camel@orodruin.boston.redhat.com> <1143208849.2929.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143323227.2404.9.camel@MrTomLinux.workstation> Le vendredi 24 mars 2006 ? 09:00 -0500, Paul W. Frields a ?crit : > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:02 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 21:29 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > What I found sad in anaconda during the installation process is the > > > permanent showing of our brand new logo for about 20 min, while anaconda > > > is copying files. We had in previous version of FC, texts talking about > > > the distribution itself. These have disappeared, too bad really. > > > > The main thing needed here is having a group step up to create the > > content. fedora-marketing-love project maybe? :-) > > Certainly the Docs Project would be happy to get involved, at a minimum > to provide proofreading and editing for the text. Most of our members > are subscribed to marketing, IIRC. > Is my mockup still relevant? I think Fedora Artwork may help as well! :) http://mrtomlinux.org/Up2date&anaconda-en.png Thomas Canniot From lance.benjamin at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 13:54:55 2006 From: lance.benjamin at gmail.com (Lance Benjamin) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 07:54:55 -0600 Subject: Self Introduction: Lance Benjamin In-Reply-To: <200603251552.09940.tombo@adamantio.net> References: <200603250859.38426.tombo@adamantio.net> <1143289149.2505.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200603251552.09940.tombo@adamantio.net> Message-ID: <1143381296.15105.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings! My name is Lance Benjamin and I am currently a student (sophomore-junior) at the University of Houston, in Houston, Texas, USA, majoring in Information Systems Technology. I *think* I've completed all the steps to join the Documentation Project and my purpose for doing so is I feel that I have a lot of time to offer to the project as well as skill. I would best be utilized in editing for grammar/writing since I have just become comfortable enough with Fedora to completely abandon all instances of M$. Becoming a user/contributor of this project would be extremely beneficial to me, as a learning experience as well, since I generally learn things by typing them, I can't even begin to count the number of text books I have mostly re-written in my studies at school. Other projects, I have done numerous writing projects at my old job where I was a network operations technician. Including a Operations Manual for standards in our data centers. Computer skills, I would consider myself intermediate with linux-specific items, but in general, I've been using a computer for about 20 years (I am 26, by the way). I have lots of experience in the "people skills" department, and minor experience programming in a windows (cough) environment. What makes me (think I am) an excellent match for the project? As I said before, I have lots and lots of time to dedicate to the project and feel that my involvement would be beneficial for me as well as the project. Hope I covered everything, but if anyone has any particulars they would like to know feel free to ask and I'll most likely be glad to answer! Cheers! Lance A. Benjamin gpg fingerprint: 2340 30A4 B019 4A35 6072 D271 2A8C D634 F6E4 A102 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields a ?crit : > > On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 12:02 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 21:29 +0100, Thomas Canniot wrote: > > > > What I found sad in anaconda during the installation process is the > > > > permanent showing of our brand new logo for about 20 min, while anaconda > > > > is copying files. We had in previous version of FC, texts talking about > > > > the distribution itself. These have disappeared, too bad really. > > > > > > The main thing needed here is having a group step up to create the > > > content. fedora-marketing-love project maybe? :-) > > > > Certainly the Docs Project would be happy to get involved, at a minimum > > to provide proofreading and editing for the text. Most of our members > > are subscribed to marketing, IIRC. > > > Is my mockup still relevant? I think Fedora Artwork may help as well! :) > > http://mrtomlinux.org/Up2date&anaconda-en.png Ya. It's very relevant. If we can work on this during the FC6 development phase, we can see how well this works out in practise. On the development side, the problem of educating people about updating software is better handled by automating most of the process by using an applet. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumApplet Rahul From docs-list at fedoralinks.org Mon Mar 27 17:37:26 2006 From: docs-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 11:37:26 -0600 Subject: Release notes errata for FC5? In-Reply-To: <1143232561.3802.198.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143232561.3802.198.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143481046.13193.6.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 02:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > We got a handful of important notes added after the ISO freeze. Can we > get an errata out for the release notes? > > Rahul > I have not had a chance to talk to Karsten about what has been done int he past, however I would like to try and get an errata published here in a week or so with translations if we can. I am moving this week so my availability is limited until I get settled. my target date for that is March 4th 2006. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen Fedora Documentation Projects -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, -- Elliot -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From info at thomasgier.de Mon Mar 27 21:22:18 2006 From: info at thomasgier.de (Tom Gier) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:22:18 +0200 Subject: Self-introduction: Tom Gier Message-ID: <20060327232218.174f4b16.info@thomasgier.de> Hi list members, Let me introduce myself: My name is Thomas Gier (Tom is just fine). I'm 39 years old and live near Aachen (Germany), which is a very old and very beautiful city right at the border to The Netherlands. During my studies in the previous century (engineering and some terms in communication science) I started working as a technical writer. Currently I work for a big german company (Siemens) and write manuals for unified messaging systems. In one of my former employments I wrote documentation for a CMS and worked as a trainer. I'm familiar with DocBook - although a bit rusty after not using it for about 2 years - and did some stylesheet customising to fit my needs. Nothing extraordinary just a bit here and there. Since I just switched to Fedora I think it would be best to start with some translations to German. Writing new or maintaining existing documents would definitely be an option when I'm more familiar with Fedora (although I doubt that my English skills are good enough for writing new documents). I tried to register to the Fedora-trans-list but didn't get any answer yet so I'm writing to this list. Hopefully this is roughly the right spot but I think I need some advise on how to proceed. IMHO the best point to start translating would be the installation guide. I already have a GPG key and I think I completed the procedure to get CVS and bugzilla accounts; will chekc this later on. The next steps, I suppose, would be to get the english version, translate it, and check it back in to CVS. Is there a special module or repository for translated docs? Is there even one for german? Thanks for reading so far. Please feel free to give advise, point me to the right direction, say hello, ask questions ... :) Best Regards Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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During my > studies in the previous century (engineering and some terms in communication > science) I started working as a technical writer. Currently I work for a big > german company (Siemens) and write manuals for unified messaging systems. In > one of my former employments I wrote documentation for a CMS and worked as a > trainer. > > I'm familiar with DocBook - although a bit rusty after not using it for > about 2 years - and did some stylesheet customising to fit my needs. Nothing > extraordinary just a bit here and there. > > Since I just switched to Fedora I think it would be best to start with > some translations to German. Writing new or maintaining existing documents > would definitely be an option when I'm more familiar with Fedora (although I > doubt that my English skills are good enough for writing new documents). I > tried to register to the Fedora-trans-list but didn't get any answer yet so > I'm writing to this list. Hopefully this is roughly the right spot but I > think I need some advise on how to proceed. > > IMHO the best point to start translating would be the installation guide. > I already have a GPG key and I think I completed the procedure to get CVS > and bugzilla accounts; will chekc this later on. The next steps, I suppose, > would be to get the english version, translate it, and check it back in to > CVS. Is there a special module or repository for translated docs? Is there > even one for german? > > Thanks for reading so far. Please feel free to give advise, point me to > the right direction, say hello, ask questions ... :) > > Best Regards > Tom > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have few > question regarding what to translate, and what not to: > > - items between "\ \", and > - bold items, between "" (example:) > If the zone is a slave or stub zone, then the server will suppress the > regular \"zone up to date\" (refresh) queries and only perform them when > the Heartbeat Interval expires in addition to sending NOTIFY > requests. > This is the only (?) line where the term: \"zone up to date\" > is mentioned. > > - bold items, between "", that start with small caps and are > located at the beginning of the string: > delegation-only: This is used to enforce the delegation only > status of infrastructure zones (e.g. COM, NET, ORG). > Name of the module? Cos in Croatian capitalization of words > follow different rules than in PC-english (all upper - all lower). > > - items between "": > To achieve the intended effect of has-old-clients yes, specify the two > separate options Authoritative NXDOMAIN Responses > =Enable and RFC2308 Type1 =Disable instead. > =Enable repeats itself as a sole line. I guess this > one is OK to translate? Unless it does not repeat anywhere else in > this module. > > I will try to run bind after translation, but I am not sure I can > simulate conditions that will bring up all the menus and messages. That > only reason why I am bothering you with this questions :) > > Best regards! > > --------------------------------------- > > Renato Pavicic > > mailto:repavici at globalnet.hr > renato at translator-shop.org > > www.translator-shop.org > The Bat 3.5.25 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have few > > question regarding what to translate, and what not to: > > > > - items between "\ \", and > > - bold items, between "" (example:) > > If the zone is a slave or stub zone, then the server will suppress the > > regular \"zone up to date\" (refresh) queries and only perform them when > > the Heartbeat Interval expires in addition to sending NOTIFY > > requests. > > This is the only (?) line where the term: \"zone up to date\" > > is mentioned. > > > > - bold items, between "", that start with small caps and are > > located at the beginning of the string: > > delegation-only: This is used to enforce the delegation only > > status of infrastructure zones (e.g. COM, NET, ORG). > > Name of the module? Cos in Croatian capitalization of words > > follow different rules than in PC-english (all upper - all lower). > > > > - items between "": > > To achieve the intended effect of has-old-clients yes, specify the two > > separate options Authoritative NXDOMAIN Responses > > =Enable and RFC2308 Type1 =Disable instead. > > =Enable repeats itself as a sole line. I guess this > > one is OK to translate? Unless it does not repeat anywhere else in > > this module. > > > > I will try to run bind after translation, but I am not sure I can > > simulate conditions that will bring up all the menus and messages. 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Please let me know if there are any problems that need >> fixing... 1) I now get: $ cvs-fedora co -c ssh: connect to host cvs.fedoraproject.org port 22: Connection refused cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) for both cvs.fedoraproject.org and cvs.fedora.redhat.com 2) I have a "recvs" script that will change the repository info for a local CVS tree so I don't have to checkout new sources. If anyone is interested I can make it public. 3) How did I miss the foreshadowing of this change, since it appears rather disruptive? -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Tue Mar 28 16:32:30 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 10:32:30 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: CVS system migration done] In-Reply-To: <20060328.233433.132209438.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> References: <1143487323.13799.76.camel@erato.phig.org> <20060328053731.f5bb8b47.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <20060328.233433.132209438.tsekine@sdri.co.jp> Message-ID: <20060328103230.b958b75d.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered SEKINE "tatz" Tatsuo , spake thus: > > 2) I have a "recvs" script that will change the repository info for a > > local CVS tree so I don't have to checkout new sources. If anyone is > > interested I can make it public. > cvsutils package in Extras repository has cvschroot script. > It also works fine in such situation. Good. Thanks for the knowledge about #2. 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If anyone is > > > interested I can make it public. > > cvsutils package in Extras repository has cvschroot script. > > It also works fine in such situation. > > Good. Thanks for the knowledge about #2. > > Does anyone else see the SSH refused from #1? > > [mystery at linux docs]$ cvs co docs-common ssh: connect to host cvs.fedoraproject.org port 22: Connection refused cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) [mystery at linux docs]$ For both fedora.redhat.com and fedoraproject.org CVSROOT is set to, export CVSROOT=:ext:pfrields at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs export CVS_RSH=ssh Chida -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The script that generates these Web pages is currently failing. * Gavin: Will be working with a volunteer to update the list of contributors on the Wiki. * Bob: A new version of the Release Notes will be issued, to incorporate feedback and material received after the freeze and release of Fedora Core 5. The Release Notes are part of the "fedora-release" package, and it may be useful to move them to a separate package, to simplify the process of updating them. * Paul: Both Karsten and Paul will be at FUDCon Boston this year. Please send any input on the Fedora Documentation talk to the mailing list - what would you like to know or discuss ? 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My name is Chris Savage, most people just refer to me as Savage, I'm (soon to be) living in Bradford in the UK and am a student at the University of Bradford. My goals? Well I really want to get involved in (and give something back to) the community more than I am at present. I quite like writing tutorials/HOWTOs as these help me remember (and learn) more as I go along. I'm happy to edit for technical accuracy. This will be my first community project, I've got a website over at www.savagereactor.co.uk, and do volunteer work for a local charity. Computing skills, I'm a general all rounder, but unqualified, I'm at an average intermediate level with Linux, programming, servers, networking etc. and more advanced with Windows. I've been using Fedora since just before FC4. Now I need to go read up on DocBook :) Chris Savage GPG Fingerprint: pub 1024D/483D1877 2006-03-28 Key fingerprint = 0959 5372 64A3 3CBD 37DB 0F6F CACC 3136 483D 1877 sub 4096g/4995A23B 2006-03-28 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEKeTfyswxNkg9GHcRAgOmAJ0f+Kl8bzFm2gS4bkZNiBWiVP4joACfbozt B9OxgKohMlZDvmnrUn16BlM= =zMrs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 01:48:09 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 20:48:09 -0500 Subject: Self-introduction: Tom Gier In-Reply-To: <20060327232218.174f4b16.info@thomasgier.de> References: <20060327232218.174f4b16.info@thomasgier.de> Message-ID: <1143596889.2528.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 23:22 +0200, Tom Gier wrote: > Hi list members, Hi Tom! We could definitely use some translation to German. I think if you visit the following, you'll find information you need for translation: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation You probably want to also join the fedora-trans-list as well. Once your CVS access is approved -- and the CVS is back up and working -- you can plunge right in. It would be great to have some of the important documentation translated, such as the Release Notes, the Installation Guide, the Yum Software Management tutorial, and the SELinux FAQ. I would say you could pick any of those to start with if it suits your fancy. If you have *any* questions about how to proceed, please ask. Everyone here is friendly and willing to help. You can also check in on freenode.net IRC at #fedora-docs. Willkommen! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Wed Mar 29 01:58:14 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 19:58:14 -0600 Subject: Self-introduction: Tom Gier In-Reply-To: <1143596889.2528.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20060327232218.174f4b16.info@thomasgier.de> <1143596889.2528.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20060328195814.8aefb00e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 23:22 +0200, Tom Gier wrote: > > Hi list members, > Hi Tom! We could definitely use some translation to German. > . It would be great to have some of the important > documentation translated, such as the Release Notes, the Installation > Guide, the Yum Software Management tutorial, and the SELinux FAQ. I > would say you could pick any of those to start with if it suits your > fancy. May I suggest making a valid translation of the "example-tutorial"? That is our shortest document and currently has only a bogus "de" locale: this in our get-acquainted document, no less. Cheers -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 29 02:21:52 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 21:21:52 -0500 Subject: Self-introduction: Tom Gier In-Reply-To: <20060328195814.8aefb00e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <20060327232218.174f4b16.info@thomasgier.de> <1143596889.2528.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20060328195814.8aefb00e.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1143598913.2528.67.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2006-03-28 at 19:58 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > > > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 23:22 +0200, Tom Gier wrote: > > > Hi list members, > > Hi Tom! We could definitely use some translation to German. > > . It would be great to have some of the important > > documentation translated, such as the Release Notes, the Installation > > Guide, the Yum Software Management tutorial, and the SELinux FAQ. I > > would say you could pick any of those to start with if it suits your > > fancy. > > May I suggest making a valid translation of the "example-tutorial"? > That is our shortest document and currently has only a bogus "de" > locale: this in our get-acquainted document, no less. Great idea! :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Running syncmail... Mailing relnotes at fedoraproject.org... ...syncmail done. Running syncmail... Mailing cvsdocs at fedora.redhat.com... ...syncmail done. sendmail: Cannot open mailhub:25 Notice the "Invalid argument" error from "Mailer.pm, line 263". I have not looked, but it's probably from "mailhub" not being resolved, YMMV. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 29 20:23:04 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 12:23:04 -0800 Subject: Release notes errata for FC5? In-Reply-To: <1143481046.13193.6.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> References: <1143232561.3802.198.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <1143481046.13193.6.camel@cbcclt02.cbcchome.cbccgroup.com> Message-ID: <1143663784.13799.215.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 11:37 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 02:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > We got a handful of important notes added after the ISO freeze. Can we > > get an errata out for the release notes? > > > > Rahul > > > > I have not had a chance to talk to Karsten about what has been done int > he past, however I would like to try and get an errata published here in > a week or so with translations if we can. > > I am moving this week so my availability is limited until I get settled. > my target date for that is March 4th 2006. s/March/April/ Bob and I talked yesterday and are trying to push out an updated notes in time for FUDCon. 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One of the usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE has for example. We might be able to expand the scope of this if we have a place to submit tips and then collect, review and edit them and then display the published ones in the website with a different tip everyday. The best ones can be included later within the distribution if we have a welcome screen feature in a future release. Comments? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:04:27 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:04:27 -0500 Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143734668.2598.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 21:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > has for example. > > We might be able to expand the scope of this if we have a place to > submit tips and then collect, review and edit them and then display the > published ones in the website with a different tip everyday. The best > ones can be included later within the distribution if we have a welcome > screen feature in a future release. Comments? I think this is a *FANTASTIC* idea. If you can find someone to write the code -- probably no more than a lightweight Python app -- I'm sure we would be interested in doing editorial. (And I know people around here could offer tips as well.) Given that FC6 is likely to include additional repo support directly in Anaconda, including Fedora Extras, there doesn't seem to be any reason this type of application couldn't live there. Maybe there's justification for a new Extras comps group, or something to make this and other helpful bits prominent in the installer. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gdk at redhat.com Thu Mar 30 16:07:14 2006 From: gdk at redhat.com (Greg DeKoenigsberg) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:07:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: This sounds like a brilliant idea to me. Even fifty tips is a great start. --g ------------------------------------------------------------- Greg DeKoenigsberg || Fedora Project || fedoraproject.org Be an Ambassador || http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors ------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > has for example. > > We might be able to expand the scope of this if we have a place to > submit tips and then collect, review and edit them and then display the > published ones in the website with a different tip everyday. The best > ones can be included later within the distribution if we have a welcome > screen feature in a future release. Comments? > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:19:57 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:19:57 -0500 Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1143735598.31997.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 21:23 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > has for example. > > We might be able to expand the scope of this if we have a place to > submit tips and then collect, review and edit them and then display the > published ones in the website with a different tip everyday. The best > ones can be included later within the distribution if we have a welcome > screen feature in a future release. Comments? For that matter, the Wiki has the [[RandomQuote]] function which might be useful for this purpose. If we also used the [[Include]] function, this could be done on either the front page or another appropriate page on the wiki, and/or we could use the wiki page as a retrievable target for the said app in the distro, using GtkHtml etc. to render the content... too... many... possibilities... -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fajarpri at cbn.net.id Thu Mar 30 16:27:19 2006 From: fajarpri at cbn.net.id (Fajar Priyanto) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 23:27:19 +0700 Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <200603302327.19301.fajarpri@cbn.net.id> On Thursday 30 March 2006 10:53 pm, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > has for example. That's great. And not only for new users, but for every login. And there is a menu where user can see the whole tips. And, this tips of the day can be updated from the internet. Cooool :) -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 23:26:57 up 14:03, 2.6.15-1.1830_FC4 GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Thu Mar 30 16:34:30 2006 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:34:30 +0100 Subject: Tip a day References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> Message-ID: Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > has for example. Sounds like a good idea to me. A slightly related idea that occurs to me from time to time is that there might be an extension to the "man" command that allows examples (of usage of the command in question) to be appended to the usual man page, with some wiki-system for collecting examples. But that is really a different issue... -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 16:34:48 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:34:48 -0500 Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <200603302327.19301.fajarpri@cbn.net.id> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <200603302327.19301.fajarpri@cbn.net.id> Message-ID: <1143736488.31997.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 23:27 +0700, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > On Thursday 30 March 2006 10:53 pm, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > > has for example. > > That's great. And not only for new users, but for every login. And there is a > menu where user can see the whole tips. And, this tips of the day can be > updated from the internet. > Cooool :) As this might annoy long-time users, if this is done with a desktop app of some sort, of course there should be a checkbox to turn off the feature. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedoradocs at ddeutsch.org Thu Mar 30 16:36:50 2006 From: fedoradocs at ddeutsch.org (Debbie Deutsch) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:36:50 -0500 Subject: FUDcon attendees Message-ID: <442C0922.6070508@ddeutsch.org> Pardon me if this might be off-topic, but I could not think of a better way or place to ask this. I will be attending FUDcon next week. (Seeing that it is so close to home, to not go would be a shame.) I am wondering who from the documentation project will be there too and if there is any interest in trying to find each other to say hello in real life? Debbie From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 30 16:41:35 2006 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:11:35 +0530 Subject: Tip a day In-Reply-To: <1143736488.31997.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1143734005.3802.699.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> <200603302327.19301.fajarpri@cbn.net.id> <1143736488.31997.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1143736895.3802.702.camel@sundaram.pnq.redhat.com> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 11:34 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 23:27 +0700, Fajar Priyanto wrote: > > On Thursday 30 March 2006 10:53 pm, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Someone suggested earlier in fedora-devel list that we have a Fedora > > > welcome screen on first login for new users to guide them. One of the > > > usual inclusions in such things is a tip a day feature like those KDE > > > has for example. > > > > That's great. And not only for new users, but for every login. And there is a > > menu where user can see the whole tips. And, this tips of the day can be > > updated from the internet. > > Cooool :) > > As this might annoy long-time users, if this is done with a desktop app > of some sort, of course there should be a checkbox to turn off the > feature. Ok. So who is writing the app. Post to -devel list? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 17:02:34 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:02:34 -0500 Subject: FUDcon attendees In-Reply-To: <442C0922.6070508@ddeutsch.org> References: <442C0922.6070508@ddeutsch.org> Message-ID: <1143738154.2694.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 11:36 -0500, Debbie Deutsch wrote: > Pardon me if this might be off-topic, but I could not think of a better > way or place to ask this. > > I will be attending FUDcon next week. (Seeing that it is so close to > home, to not go would be a shame.) I am wondering who from the > documentation project will be there too and if there is any interest in > trying to find each other to say hello in real life? Hi Debbie, Both Karsten and I will be there, as well as Lucy Ringland (who I am guessing works in the Worcester, MA Red Hat office). I'd love to say hi, and I'm sure the other folks would, too. From the wiki page, you'll see there's a Fedora Docs talk on the schedule at 11:00 a.m., so at worst you'll see us at then: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006 -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Documentation Project: http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/docs/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From info at thomasgier.de Thu Mar 30 17:04:09 2006 From: info at thomasgier.de (Tom Gier) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:04:09 +0200 Subject: List subscription/CVS Message-ID: <20060330190409.2f6051e9.info@thomasgier.de> Hi, I have one question and one plea for help: Question: How long does it generally take to confirm a subscription to Fedora-trans and Fedora-trans-DE lists? I subscribed to both two or three days ago but didn't get an answer yet. Problem: I fee a bit sheepish about this but since I have some spare time and would like to start contributing I ask nevertheless: I can't get CVS check out to work. I checked every resource I could lay my hands on but to no avail. I'm sure the solution is right in front of my nose but I'm stuck. Here's what I did so far: I created a Fedora project account and during this uploaded my id_dsa.pub file. "All done" was the answer of the project server. Sounded good to me. Then I set my CVSROOT and CVS_RSH env vars to the following: CVSROOT=:ext:@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs CVS_RSH to "ssh" "cvs co docs" gave "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).". Well ... Google coughed up myriads of hits but nothing apparently helpful. Some investigations later I ended up trying to be smart and added myself to the group "cvsdocs" in my project account with the result that I now have an entry in my account stating "cvsdocs [...] unapproved". I'm not to sure if this is correct anyway and there's still no luck with "cvs co docs". I have not the slightest idea what I'm doing wrong or missing. I'm not that slow off the mark normally but this is certainly a "Wood and tree" problem. Could someone please have pity on me and cut some trees?! Thanks for your patience. Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I subscribed to both two or three days ago but > didn't get an answer yet. > > Problem: > I fee a bit sheepish about this but since I have some spare time and would > like to start contributing I ask nevertheless: > > I can't get CVS check out to work. I checked every resource I could lay my > hands on but to no avail. I'm sure the solution is right in front of my > nose but I'm stuck. Here's what I did so far: > > I created a Fedora project account and during this uploaded my id_dsa.pub > file. "All done" was the answer of the project server. Sounded good to me. > > Then I set my CVSROOT and CVS_RSH env vars to the following: > > CVSROOT=:ext:@cvs.fedora.redhat.com:/cvs/docs > > CVS_RSH to "ssh" > > "cvs co docs" gave "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive).". > Well ... Google coughed up myriads of hits but nothing apparently helpful. > > Some investigations later I ended up trying to be smart and added myself to > the group "cvsdocs" in my project account with the result that I now have > an entry in my account stating "cvsdocs [...] unapproved". I'm not to sure > if this is correct anyway and there's still no luck with "cvs co docs". > > I have not the slightest idea what I'm doing wrong or missing. I'm not that > slow off the mark normally but this is certainly a "Wood and tree" problem. > Could someone please have pity on me and cut some trees?! > > Thanks for your patience. > Tom -- Jos? Nuno Coelho Pires Development Engineer Unidade de Sistemas de Informa??o INESC-INOV Telem?vel: 96 630 61 13 E-Mail: jose.pires at inov.pt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone who 'suren' (Suren Karapetyan) is? Did I miss a self- introduction? This person is also in the approval queue. > > How long does it generally take to confirm a subscription to Fedora-trans > > and Fedora-trans-DE lists? I subscribed to both two or three days ago but > > didn't get an answer yet. I only know about fedora-trans-list, but I thought it was open- subscription. If it is not, you can email fedora-trans-list-admin and ask for a status. > > I can't get CVS check out to work. It should work now. If you run into any problems, either email back here or join us on #fedora-docs (irc.freenode.net) or #fedora-websites, both have people who can help with administration and CVS issues. -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. 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A crying shame, don't let it happen. ;-D /me is flying in from California, so hopes all those who can meet their transportation needs are attending. :) > I am wondering who from the > > documentation project will be there too and if there is any interest in > > trying to find each other to say hello in real life? > > Hi Debbie, > > Both Karsten and I will be there, as well as Lucy Ringland (who I am > guessing works in the Worcester, MA Red Hat office). Lucy hails from Raleigh. > I'd love to say > hi, and I'm sure the other folks would, too. Definitely! > From the wiki page, you'll > see there's a Fedora Docs talk on the schedule at 11:00 a.m., so at > worst you'll see us at then: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBoston2006 I'll also be at LinuxWorld on Thursday. I'll spend a few hours at the Fedora booth in the .Org Pavilion, and probably do some time at the Red Hat booth under the Developer Nation banner (iirc). - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well I really want to get involved in (and give something back > to) the community more than I am at present. I quite like writing > tutorials/HOWTOs as these help me remember (and learn) more as I go > along. I'm happy to edit for technical accuracy. Welcome then, this is definitely the place for you. Obligatory first question is, do you want: A. Direction on where to start B. Some guidance and some being left to your own devices C. Answers whenever you ask questions Also, as we're always trying to improve the contribution process *and* know there are sticking points in that process, let us know what you come across and help us fix it. > Now I need to go read up on DocBook :) Sure thing, but don't let that slow down your enthusiasm. We do a ton of work on the Wiki, you just need an account[1] and we can add you to the EditGroup to get started. 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Writing new or maintaining existing > documents would definitely be an option when I'm more familiar with > Fedora (although I doubt that my English skills are good enough for > writing new documents). Two thoughts about this: * Don't hesitate to write new content, no matter what your Fedora experience. We have users who are far less experienced than you who need good content from us, and your perspective and capabilities are valuable _right_now_. :) * We've discussed having non-English documentation that gets translated to English. The only requirement is to have another native reader/speaker who can be your editor, which is true for _all_ languages. I encourage you to write what you want in whatever language you are comfortable with, then come here for peer review and to find a native- reading (or very, very good non-native reader) to be your editor. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's a first hint of something not to do on mailing lists and the reason why. ;-D > I *think* I've completed all the steps to join the Documentation Project > and my purpose for doing so is I feel that I have a lot of time to offer > to the project as well as skill. I would best be utilized in editing > for grammar/writing since I have just become comfortable enough with > Fedora to completely abandon all instances of M$. Definitely welcome. However, don't sell yourself short when it comes to authoring new content. You are certainly more advanced than many of our potential and current users, and new, fresh content is definitely what we need more of. Existing projects that can (usually) use more help: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts There are new ideas here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/DocIdeas > Hope I covered everything, but if anyone has any particulars they would > like to know feel free to ask and I'll most likely be glad to answer! Good coverage, thanks, and welcome aboard. Join us on irc.freenode.net on #fedora-docs anytime (all the time, for many of us) and let's see what we can do to help you get productive and happier. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The best > ones can be included later within the distribution if we have a welcome > screen feature in a future release. Comments? Lovely idea. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/TipADay Seems like an easy place to write, edit, and gather them. If anyone is interested, here is a great project idea that could use a lead writer and some others to help. You don't need to be an expert, just enthusiastic and likes reading mailing lists for ideas. ;) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm completely new to all of the processes involved in the project. > Also, as we're always trying to improve the contribution process *and* > know there are sticking points in that process, let us know what you > come across and help us fix it. I can't really speak for the contribution process as I have absolutely zero experience of it. I will say that the registration process is pretty long-winded and almost scared me off, it took me just over an hour and a half to complete (setting up GPG etc). Thankfully some nice folks on #fedora-social supported me through it :) > Sure thing, but don't let that slow down your enthusiasm. We do a ton > of work on the Wiki, you just need an account[1] and we can add you to > the EditGroup to get started. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem I've already signed up for an account during the registration process and returned the CLA which has been "completed successfully". Do you need my username to add me to the EditGroup? My first and possibly most important question is what kind of documentation is required? I've written some Fedora tutorials [1] although these don't follow the Fedora Doc Guidelines and are pretty basic. They are based on topics like iptables, NFS etc. is that what is required by Fedora-docs? or topics related specifically to Fedora? I've also just finished writing a tutorial on Quotas [2], as I've just set this up and had a rough time with it, I tried to follow the Fedora Docs guidelines and would appreciate any feedback on the organization, structure, writing technique etc. [1] http://www.savagereactor.co.uk/?page=computing/fc/default.php [2] http://www.savagereactor.co.uk/?page=computing/fc/quota.php Chris Savage p.s. I like that [1] URLs, I've not seen that done before, it makes e-mails a lot tidier :P Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 02:37 +0100, Chris Savage wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I'm not sure if I'm supposed to drop this in bullet-points or not, but >> that feels weird. > > Meh. Let's fix that self-intro page so it doesn't feel onerous. I like > your paragraph style, maybe that should be the New Way. > >> My name is Chris Savage, most people just refer to me as Savage, I'm >> (soon to be) living in Bradford in the UK and am a student at the >> University of Bradford. >> >> My goals? Well I really want to get involved in (and give something back >> to) the community more than I am at present. I quite like writing >> tutorials/HOWTOs as these help me remember (and learn) more as I go >> along. I'm happy to edit for technical accuracy. > > Welcome then, this is definitely the place for you. Obligatory first > question is, do you want: > > A. Direction on where to start > B. Some guidance and some being left to your own devices > C. Answers whenever you ask questions > > Also, as we're always trying to improve the contribution process *and* > know there are sticking points in that process, let us know what you > come across and help us fix it. > >> Now I need to go read up on DocBook :) > > Sure thing, but don't let that slow down your enthusiasm. We do a ton > of work on the Wiki, you just need an account[1] and we can add you to > the EditGroup to get started. > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem > > - Karsten > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFELJoPyswxNkg9GHcRAgzFAJ43aUXDZlal5se1gCOM9sx3ZVZp6wCeNhcT pse7d11qbTxE4S9tajxFy0w= =pGZz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From edward.haddock at verizon.net Fri Mar 31 03:29:20 2006 From: edward.haddock at verizon.net (Edward Haddock) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:29:20 -1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Chris Savage In-Reply-To: <442C9A10.2010800@savagereactor.co.uk> References: <4429E4DF.9050700@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143742864.22716.124.camel@erato.phig.org> <442C9A10.2010800@savagereactor.co.uk> Message-ID: <1143775760.3972.4.camel@edward.haddock.family> Aloha Chris, Welcome to the Documentation Project. I am an inexperienced new Linux user and recently joined myself. I agree that the sign up process does seem to be quite daunting. It was especially difficult for me to get Thunderbird setup correctly so I switched over to Evolution as it was easier to setup GnuPG to work with it. I am doing an outline on the whole process and am trying to come up with a way to streamline it. If you have any ideas there please let me know. I would sincerely appreciate them. That goes for everyone as well. Getting in the door to help should not be as difficult as it seems to be now. Mahalo, Edward On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 03:55 +0100, Chris Savage wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Karsten > > > Welcome then, this is definitely the place for you. Obligatory first > > question is, do you want: > > > > A. Direction on where to start > > B. Some guidance and some being left to your own devices > > C. Answers whenever you ask questions > > All of the above would be good, I'm still new to the open-source > community way of life, I've been using Fedora for just under a year, and > have been helping out on fedoraforum.org and IRC, but thats about it. > I'm completely new to all of the processes involved in the project. > > > Also, as we're always trying to improve the contribution process *and* > > know there are sticking points in that process, let us know what you > > come across and help us fix it. > > I can't really speak for the contribution process as I have absolutely > zero experience of it. I will say that the registration process is > pretty long-winded and almost scared me off, it took me just over an > hour and a half to complete (setting up GPG etc). Thankfully some nice > folks on #fedora-social supported me through it :) > > > Sure thing, but don't let that slow down your enthusiasm. We do a ton > > of work on the Wiki, you just need an account[1] and we can add you to > > the EditGroup to get started. > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem > > I've already signed up for an account during the registration process > and returned the CLA which has been "completed successfully". Do you > need my username to add me to the EditGroup? > > My first and possibly most important question is what kind of > documentation is required? I've written some Fedora tutorials [1] > although these don't follow the Fedora Doc Guidelines and are pretty > basic. They are based on topics like iptables, NFS etc. is that what is > required by Fedora-docs? or topics related specifically to Fedora? > > I've also just finished writing a tutorial on Quotas [2], as I've just > set this up and had a rough time with it, I tried to follow the Fedora > Docs guidelines and would appreciate any feedback on the organization, > structure, writing technique etc. > > [1] http://www.savagereactor.co.uk/?page=computing/fc/default.php > [2] http://www.savagereactor.co.uk/?page=computing/fc/quota.php > > Chris Savage > > p.s. I like that [1] URLs, I've not seen that done before, it makes > e-mails a lot tidier :P > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 02:37 +0100, Chris Savage wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I'm not sure if I'm supposed to drop this in bullet-points or not, but > >> that feels weird. > > > > Meh. Let's fix that self-intro page so it doesn't feel onerous. I like > > your paragraph style, maybe that should be the New Way. > > > >> My name is Chris Savage, most people just refer to me as Savage, I'm > >> (soon to be) living in Bradford in the UK and am a student at the > >> University of Bradford. > >> > >> My goals? Well I really want to get involved in (and give something back > >> to) the community more than I am at present. I quite like writing > >> tutorials/HOWTOs as these help me remember (and learn) more as I go > >> along. I'm happy to edit for technical accuracy. > > > > Welcome then, this is definitely the place for you. Obligatory first > > question is, do you want: > > > > A. Direction on where to start > > B. Some guidance and some being left to your own devices > > C. Answers whenever you ask questions > > > > Also, as we're always trying to improve the contribution process *and* > > know there are sticking points in that process, let us know what you > > come across and help us fix it. > > > >> Now I need to go read up on DocBook :) > > > > Sure thing, but don't let that slow down your enthusiasm. We do a ton > > of work on the Wiki, you just need an account[1] and we can add you to > > the EditGroup to get started. > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem > > > > - Karsten > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFELJoPyswxNkg9GHcRAgzFAJ43aUXDZlal5se1gCOM9sx3ZVZp6wCeNhcT > pse7d11qbTxE4S9tajxFy0w= > =pGZz > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Fri Mar 31 04:15:03 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 22:15:03 -0600 Subject: Self-Introduction: Chris Savage In-Reply-To: <1143775760.3972.4.camel@edward.haddock.family> References: <4429E4DF.9050700@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143742864.22716.124.camel@erato.phig.org> <442C9A10.2010800@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143775760.3972.4.camel@edward.haddock.family> Message-ID: <20060330221503.40a8742a.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Edward Haddock , spake thus: > It was especially difficult for me to > get Thunderbird setup correctly so I switched over to Evolution as it > was easier to setup GnuPG to work with it. Edward, you may be working too hard ;-) Why struggle with GPG for the emails? What suggests that you need to sign your emails with GPG? AFAICT, the GPG is only used to grant CVS access privileges. -- I'm already an anomaly, I shall soon be an anachronism, and I have every intention of dying an abuse! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: not available URL: From edward.haddock at verizon.net Fri Mar 31 05:28:09 2006 From: edward.haddock at verizon.net (Edward Haddock) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 19:28:09 -1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Chris Savage In-Reply-To: <20060330221503.40a8742a.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <4429E4DF.9050700@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143742864.22716.124.camel@erato.phig.org> <442C9A10.2010800@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143775760.3972.4.camel@edward.haddock.family> <20060330221503.40a8742a.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <1143782889.5608.5.camel@edward.haddock.family> Tommy, On the page, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/NewWriters it states that "1. You should have a GPG key, and are encouraged to use it to sign your e-mails. This enables everyone to guarantee the authenticity of the e-mails that are sent. A GPG key is also a requirement for gaining access to the CVS system where documents are maintained. See DocsProject/UsingGpg/CreatingKeys for help and instructions if you don't already have a GPG key." so I set up GnuPG. I am glad I did as it taught me something new about Fedora and I now use it to sign my emails and use KGpg to manage them. :) Perhaps that is a little much to just join the email list and correspond but it was a good learning experience. Maybe we could streamline the join procedures for the Documentation Project by taking that requirement out? Or maybe we need more than just Writers and Editors? Any thoughts? Mahalo, Edward On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 22:15 -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered Edward Haddock , spake thus: > > > It was especially difficult for me to > > get Thunderbird setup correctly so I switched over to Evolution as it > > was easier to setup GnuPG to work with it. > > Edward, you may be working too hard ;-) > > Why struggle with GPG for the emails? What suggests that you need to > sign your emails with GPG? > > AFAICT, the GPG is only used to grant CVS access privileges. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It let's me enter my passphrase though - which is an improvement - but I have to do this three times and get the same access denied error like before ("Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)."). Something seems to be wrong with the id_dsa.pub stuff. I'm quite sure that I enter the correct passphrase (I do not invent new passwords/passphrases every day but have a pool of strong passwords which I use for some time before replacing them). Well, I'll ask somebody directly at #fedora-docs later this evening (MEST). Regards Tom -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You should have a GPG key, and are encouraged to use it > > to sign your e-mails. This enables everyone to guarantee the > > authenticity of the e-mails that are sent. > > Edward, > > Thanks for gently reminding me of this ;-) But it is noteworthy that signing emails is "encouraged", which is not even a "recommendation" and certainly not a "requirement". Edward -- when streamlining this, perhaps we could move that signing email part to a footnote or something. Or just make it a different part of the NewWriters page, so we don't fool people into chasing down a difficult path. We definitely need the GPG key for the Fedora account, which causes you to do the CLA, and grants Wiki, CVS, etc. What would be nice, and I have no idea if it is feasible, is to have a route to just-Wiki that is almost like a click-through CLA. But is that advisable? Enforceable? How do you prove that the person who agreed to the CLA is anyone in particular? It could have been a friend, "Just click through this, you need that to get the EditGroup permissions." Click-throughs are passive, people can do them without thought. The sign-the-CLA-with-GPG is active. Hmm ... Ideas? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE * Sr. Editor * http://people.redhat.com/kwade/ gpg fingerprint: 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 Fedora Documentation Project http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 31 18:27:31 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:27:31 -0500 Subject: Project barriers (was Re: Self-Introduction: Chris Savage) In-Reply-To: <1143827737.22716.324.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <4429E4DF.9050700@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143742864.22716.124.camel@erato.phig.org> <442C9A10.2010800@savagereactor.co.uk> <1143775760.3972.4.camel@edward.haddock.family> <20060330221503.40a8742a.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <1143782889.5608.5.camel@edward.haddock.family> <20060331084540.97eafb48.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> <1143827737.22716.324.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1143829651.2599.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 09:55 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > What would be nice, and I have no idea if it is feasible, is to have a > route to just-Wiki that is almost like a click-through CLA. But is that > advisable? Enforceable? How do you prove that the person who agreed to > the CLA is anyone in particular? It could have been a friend, "Just > click through this, you need that to get the EditGroup permissions." I think you may have answered your own question here. If you want an agreement to be legally binding and enforceable, you have to be able to prove that both parties entered into it. > Click-throughs are passive, people can do them without thought. The > sign-the-CLA-with-GPG is active. But I agree that GPG signing emails is just frills compared with the CLA. No reason people should go through that pain if they don't care. I've been using PGP/GPG so long that I don't, but it's obviously a significant barrier to some people, and since it's not necessary outside the CLA, we should remove or demote it like you said. My ~$0.02. -- Paul W. 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