Vladimir Kosovac wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
>
>> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 15:27 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I got interested in writing some documentation for this Application
>>>> since there appears to not be any. Who is in charge of this task?
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
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>>>> Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think that goes in the admin guide but I'm not to sure. I'm sorta
>>> confusing the issue in myself of whats desktop use and whats admin use.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Marc, if I have a choice I think this should be part of Desktop. I
>> have been looking at the various Help tools and dislike those that go to
>> a web page. I like the way Gedit calls it's help from Desktop and would
>> like to see Users and Groups called the same way.
>>
>
> Karl, I'm afraid this would not be possible. This is a separate
> application [`system-config-users`].
>
> ''Users and Groups'' is a GUI wrapper for the `system-config-users` and
> is placed in the System-->Administration menu for a reason - it handles
> "system administration" type task and requires root privileges.
>
> It is covered here:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/UserAccounts
>
> DUG guidelines have been posted to the list not so long ago by John
> Babich, DUG Lead Writer. Here is the relevant excerpt:
>
I can't seem to unpack what DUG means.
> ########################################################################
> As far as the boundary between the DUG and the Administration Guide
> (AG), I agree with Paul that the GUI/non-GUI distinction has very
> little relevance. We should always point to the GUI apps first, except
> in those rare cases where GUI apps don't exist or don't provide the
> required functionality.
>
In the case of making Users with Groups the current writing on the
web is fine but the GUI part is shown late in the writing. This is not
a problem if, when a user clicks Help it brings up just the part
dealing with the GUI system.
And, my desire is to put the best possible Help up for a user that
finds Users and Groups on their computer.
Last week I needed to make my login include the uucp Group so I can
use the Serial Port Com1. I went to the GUI and could not do it. I had
to use #usermod karl -a -G uucp
which worked fine but took 3 hours to find :-)
Later I stumbled onto Edit and found how to show all the users. This
is what I needed.
Karl
> I think the main distinction is the target audience. The DUG's
> audience is the first-time or less-experienced user who wants to
> perform common tasks like web-browsing, creating simple spreadsheets
> and text documents. The AG's audience is the more-experienced person
> who wants to manage a group of users with various access levels, or
> set up and administer servers such as HTTP/FTP, IMAP/POP3,
> authentication, proxy, DHCP, etc.
> ########################################################################
>
> John, Paul, Karsten and the rest of doc writers,
>
> I still maintain that the basic parts of a User Manager (Creating users
> and groups) have their place in a DUG, though. Users new to Fedora may
> also have a need to quickly create multiple accounts on the machine
> without having to read the administration guide. Is this still for
> discussion or the whole thing will be handled by the admin guide alone?
>
> Cheers, Vladimir
>
>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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