Users and Groups

[Karl Larsen]

Karl Larsen wrote:
> Vladimir Kosovac wrote:
>> Karl Larsen wrote:
>>  
>>> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote:
>>>    
>>>> On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 15:27 -0700, Karl Larsen wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>>> I got interested in writing some documentation for this Application
>>>>> since there appears to not be any. Who is in charge of this task?
>>>>>
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>     Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
>>>>>     Linux User
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>>>> I think that goes in the admin guide but I'm not to sure. I'm sorta
>>>> confusing the issue in myself of whats desktop use and whats admin 
>>>> use.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>    Hi Marc, if I have a choice I think this should be part of 
>>> Desktop. I
>>> have been looking at the various Help tools and dislike those that 
>>> go to
>>> a web page. I like the way Gedit calls it's help from Desktop and would
>>> like to see Users and Groups called the same way.
>>>     
>>
>> Karl, I'm afraid this would not be possible. This is a separate
>> application [`system-config-users`].
>>
>> ''Users and Groups'' is a GUI wrapper for the `system-config-users` and
>> is placed in the System-->Administration menu for a reason - it handles
>> "system administration" type task and requires root privileges.
>>
>> It is covered here:
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/UserAccounts 
>>
>>
>> DUG guidelines have been posted to the list not so long ago by John
>> Babich, DUG Lead Writer. Here is the relevant excerpt:
>>   
>    I can't seem to unpack what DUG means.
>
>
>
>> ########################################################################
>> As far as the boundary between the DUG and the Administration Guide
>> (AG), I agree with Paul that the GUI/non-GUI distinction has very
>> little relevance. We should always point to the GUI apps first, except
>> in those rare cases where GUI apps don't exist or don't provide the
>> required functionality.
>>   
>    In the case of making Users with Groups the current writing on the 
> web is fine but the GUI part is shown late in the writing.  This is 
> not a problem if,  when a user clicks Help it brings up just the part 
> dealing with the GUI system.
>
>
>     And, my desire is to put the best possible Help up for a user that 
> finds Users and Groups on their computer.
>
>    Last week I needed to make my login include the uucp Group so I can 
> use the Serial Port Com1. I went to the GUI and could not do it. I had 
> to use #usermod karl -a -G uucp
> which worked fine but took 3 hours to find :-)
>
>    Later I stumbled onto Edit and found how to show all the users. 
> This is what I needed.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>> I think the main distinction is the target audience. The DUG's
>> audience is the first-time or less-experienced user who wants to
>> perform common tasks like web-browsing, creating simple spreadsheets
>> and text documents. The AG's audience is the more-experienced person
>> who wants to manage a group of users with various access levels, or
>> set up and administer servers such as HTTP/FTP, IMAP/POP3,
>> authentication, proxy, DHCP, etc.
>> ########################################################################
>>
>> John, Paul, Karsten and the rest of doc writers,
>>
>> I still maintain that the basic parts of a User Manager (Creating users
>> and groups) have their place in a DUG, though. Users new to Fedora may
>> also have a need to quickly create multiple accounts on the machine
>> without having to read the administration guide. Is this still for
>> discussion or the whole thing will be handled by the admin guide alone?
>>
>> Cheers, Vladimir
>>
>>  
>>> Karl
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>
>>   
>
>
    Here is a little writing to start a caution.


    Recall that you just provided the Root password to get Users and 
Groups to come up. Now YOU are Root. A word of Caution. A simple error 
can ruin your computer! If you feel unsure of what your doing,read this 
Help and if your still not sure turn off Users and Groups.

Karl



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	Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI
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