From linuxiao at yahoo.com Thu Feb 1 09:52:39 2007 From: linuxiao at yahoo.com (Li Xiao) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 17:52:39 +0800 (CST) Subject: Self-Introduction: Li Xiao Message-ID: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Dear fedora docs project: I'm very interested in linux and fedora,because they are open source and it means "free",so that I wish I could contribute to the open source project.I wrote this e-mail to introduce myself. My full legal name is Li Xiao.I live in ChangSha, a city in China.At the moment I'm studying at Harbin Institute of Tecnology,a university in Harbin, China.So I'm a student, actually, a under graduate. My major is computer science.My goals in the project is just to translate documents in Chinese because I'm not familliar with writing documentations. [lixiao at lixiao ~]$ gpg --fingerprint B2A26426 pub 1024D/B2A26426 2007-02-01 ?钥?纹 = 4505 D89A F027 39EF C0BE 2924 6686 E9BD B2A2 6426 uid lixiao (lixiao) sub 2048g/F22EEBB6 2007-02-01 --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? ????G?????????????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 09:58:05 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 12:58:05 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Li Xiao In-Reply-To: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702010158g77184f58pde2e85b0daa22145@mail.gmail.com> Li Xiao: Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! John Babich http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich On 2/1/07, Li Xiao wrote: > Dear fedora docs project: > I'm very interested in linux and fedora,because they > are open source and it means "free",so that I wish I could contribute to the > open source project.I wrote this > e-mail to introduce myself. > My full legal name is Li Xiao.I live in ChangSha, a city in China.At > the moment I'm studying at Harbin Institute of Tecnology,a university in > Harbin, China.So I'm a student, actually, a under graduate. > My major is computer science.My goals in the project is just to translate > documents in Chinese because I'm not familliar with writing documentations. > > [lixiao at lixiao ~]$ gpg --fingerprint B2A26426 > pub 1024D/B2A26426 2007-02-01 > ???? = 4505 D89A F027 39EF C0BE 2924 6686 E9BD B2A2 6426 > uid lixiao (lixiao) > sub 2048g/F22EEBB6 2007-02-01 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > ????G?????????????????? > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 11:03:16 2007 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 06:03:16 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Li Xiao In-Reply-To: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76e72f800702010303n1c6af5acia3625e007eafca52@mail.gmail.com> Welcome! please also check for #fedora-cn, thanks! ? 07-2-1?Li Xiao ??? > Dear fedora docs project: > I'm very interested in linux and fedora,because they > are open source and it means "free",so that I wish I could contribute to the > open source project.I wrote this > e-mail to introduce myself. > My full legal name is Li Xiao.I live in ChangSha, a city in China.At > the moment I'm studying at Harbin Institute of Tecnology,a university in > Harbin, China.So I'm a student, actually, a under graduate. > My major is computer science.My goals in the project is just to translate > documents in Chinese because I'm not familliar with writing documentations. > > [lixiao at lixiao ~]$ gpg --fingerprint B2A26426 > pub 1024D/B2A26426 2007-02-01 > ???? = 4505 D89A F027 39EF C0BE 2924 6686 E9BD B2A2 6426 > uid lixiao (lixiao) > sub 2048g/F22EEBB6 2007-02-01 > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > ????G?????????????????? > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- bbbush ^_^ From gpex at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 1 18:12:02 2007 From: gpex at fedoraproject.org (Giuseppe Pignataro) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 19:12:02 +0100 Subject: R: Self-Introduction: Li Xiao In-Reply-To: <462977.5100.qm@web62210.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200702011812.l11IC7SJ006291@m-02.th.seeweb.it> Welcome to the Fedora project!!! _____ Da: fedora-docs-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list-bounces at redhat.com] Per conto di Li Xiao Inviato: gioved? 1 febbraio 2007 10.53 A: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Oggetto: Self-Introduction: Li Xiao Dear fedora docs project: I'm very interested in linux and fedora,because they are open source and it means "free",so that I wish I could contribute to the open source project.I wrote this e-mail to introduce myself. My full legal name is Li Xiao.I live in ChangSha, a city in China.At the moment I'm studying at Harbin Institute of Tecnology,a university in Harbin, China.So I'm a student, actually, a under graduate. My major is computer science.My goals in the project is just to translate documents in Chinese because I'm not familliar with writing documentations. [lixiao at lixiao ~]$ gpg --fingerprint B2A26426 pub 1024D/B2A26426 2007-02-01 ???? = 4505 D89A F027 39EF C0BE 2924 6686 E9BD B2A2 6426 uid lixiao (lixiao) sub 2048g/F22EEBB6 2007-02-01 _____ Do You Yahoo!? ????G?????????????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Fri Feb 2 00:10:45 2007 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 00:10:45 +0000 Subject: Desktop User Guide References: <20070201232356.61513.qmail@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eddie Elizondo, Jr. wrote: > I am not too familiar with the draft process of documents, but the Desktop > User Guide (in draft) looks good and, for the most part, free of errors. > I've recently edited each page of the document, mainly for consistency and > for grammar. The link for this doc is below: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide At a quick glance this looked useful and interesting. I just wonder why it is called a _desktop_ user guide, since as far as I could see all the sections would apply equally well to a laptop. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Feb 2 02:36:30 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:36:30 +0000 Subject: Desktop User Guide In-Reply-To: References: <20070201232356.61513.qmail@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45C2A3AE.9050900@glezos.com> O/H Timothy Murphy ??????: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > > I just wonder why it is called a _desktop_ user guide, > since as far as I could see all the sections would apply > equally well to a laptop. Heh, good point in the context of hardware; this "desktop" refers to the desktop as a software; that is, the guide does not include documentation for command-line or server stuff. In the same context, the new Fedora 7 will have a "Desktop" version, meant for users having a PC rather than a server. Hey, now that I come to think about it, maybe "Fedora 7 (PC)" would be better than "desktop"? :) -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 03:52:10 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 22:52:10 -0500 Subject: Desktop User Guide In-Reply-To: <45C2A3AE.9050900@glezos.com> References: <20070201232356.61513.qmail@web82401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <45C2A3AE.9050900@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1170388330.24783.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 02:36 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Timothy Murphy ??????: > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > > > > I just wonder why it is called a _desktop_ user guide, > > since as far as I could see all the sections would apply > > equally well to a laptop. > > Heh, good point in the context of hardware; this "desktop" refers to the desktop > as a software; that is, the guide does not include documentation for > command-line or server stuff. In the same context, the new Fedora 7 will have a > "Desktop" version, meant for users having a PC rather than a server. > > Hey, now that I come to think about it, maybe "Fedora 7 (PC)" would be better > than "desktop"? :) Except that "PC" is often used colloquially to mean "i386 architecture." You're right about the "Desktop" usage here. I think it's unlikely people will differentiate the "Desktop" in this usage as being separate and distinct from a "Laptop." Our other choices come down to things like "Beginning Users Guide," but that is a bad choice because people don't like to classify themselves as being beginners. "Quick Start Guide" would be OK except for the fact that the DUG is too long to fit into that category either. So "DUG" is probably best for now. We can re-evaluate after we get some community feedback, which is probably more likely after publication. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 2 06:45:08 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 09:45:08 +0300 Subject: Seeking clarification on the FDSCo Elections Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> FDP Team Members: I appreciate that FUDCon 2007 is starting in Boston today. I wish I could be there, but I still plan to attend via IRC and any blogging being done. It should be a great time for all. Although this is a very busy time, we need to clear up a few confusing issues regarding the FDSCo elections. I am referring to three documents: 1. "Nominations now open, Elections for FDSCo 2-Feb to 12-Feb", https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-January/msg00045.html 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Nominations First of all, full disclosure: I am a candidate for this election. :-) This is how I understand the election based on these documents: 1. All 7 seats on the FDSCo are open for re-election (as stated in doc #1). 2. Therefore, each qualified voter gets up to 7 votes, 0-7 of which are cast for each candidate. For example, I can cast all 7 votes for one candidate, or distribute them how I please among all the candidates, as long as I do not exceed 7 votes cast (stated in doc #2). Implicit in this is that a candidate can vote for one's self. 3. I cannot vote for someone who has not self-nominated on the Nominations page (doc #2). 4. If 7 seats are open, 9 candidates must self-nominate (doc #2). 5. According to doc #2, the deadline for self-nomination is passed (3 days before 2 Feb is 30 January). 6. Consequently, there are now only 4 candidates, including myself, as of the time of this writing (doc #3). 7. According to doc #2, the voting is therefore automatically postponed one week from 2 February, making the new date 9 February for the election. 8. This is in the hope that 5 more candidates will self-nominate by by placing their own names on doc #3. 9. If there are still less than 7 candidates, then voting will take place with the number of candidates posted (doc #2). Now, please clarify the following points: 1. Since we are a global community, are we referring to these dates as beginning on 12:01 AM (0001 hours) UTC (also known as GMT) or by another standard? In other words, will voting now take place on 9 Feb at 12:01 (0001 hours) UTC? 2. WIll the next wave of self-nominations close on 6 February or 9 February? It may be fortunate that the voting period was extended automatically, so that we have the opportunity to clarify these points. I'm sorry that I didn't grasp the situation right away as I am very busy at work at the moment. Once these decisions are taken regarding this election, I further suggest that we post them prominently on the nominations page, along the lines of: 1. You have seven (7) votes. 2. You may cast anywhere from 0 to 7 votes in total. 3. Cast 0-7 votes for each candidate up to 7 votes. etc. Best Regards and Enjoy FUDCon, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 2 22:42:04 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:42:04 -0800 Subject: Seeking clarification on the FDSCo Elections In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170456124.3185.26.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 09:45 +0300, John Babich wrote: > FDP Team Members: > > I appreciate that FUDCon 2007 is starting in Boston today. I wish I could > be there, but I still plan to attend via IRC and any blogging being done. It > should be a great time for all. > > Although this is a very busy time, we need to clear up a few confusing issues > regarding the FDSCo elections. Thanks, John; you are quite correct. Here's a quick snapshot answer, and we can meet on #fedora-docs tomorrow anytime to clear it all up. > I am referring to three documents: > > 1. "Nominations now open, Elections for FDSCo 2-Feb to 12-Feb", > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2007-January/msg00045.html > > 2. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections > > 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Nominations > > First of all, full disclosure: I am a candidate for this election. :-) > > This is how I understand the election based on these documents: > > 1. All 7 seats on the FDSCo are open for re-election (as stated in doc #1). > > 2. Therefore, each qualified voter gets up to 7 votes, 0-7 of which are > cast for each candidate. For example, I can cast all 7 votes for one > candidate, or distribute them how I please among all the candidates, > as long as I do not exceed 7 votes cast (stated in doc #2). > Implicit in this > is that a candidate can vote for one's self. I'm not sure this is possible in the current voting scheme. I think it is one vote max per candidate. We'll have to get Toshio to clear this up. > 3. I cannot vote for someone who has not self-nominated on the Nominations > page (doc #2). > > 4. If 7 seats are open, 9 candidates must self-nominate (doc #2). > > 5. According to doc #2, the deadline for self-nomination is passed (3 days > before 2 Feb is 30 January). > > 6. Consequently, there are now only 4 candidates, including myself, as of > the time of this writing (doc #3). Well, five, I forgot to put mine in. Oops, missed the deadline. Typical Karsten. :) > 7. According to doc #2, the voting is therefore automatically postponed one > week from 2 February, making the new date 9 February for the election. Yes. > 8. This is in the hope that 5 more candidates will self-nominate by by placing > their own names on doc #3. We need to approach some people who are hesitant about putting themselves in. Relative newcomers are welcome, but may not know it. > 9. If there are still less than 7 candidates, then voting will take > place with the > number of candidates posted (doc #2). Yes, but we can review if this still makes sense. We are not in such a hurry as to require making bad decisions. :) > Now, please clarify the following points: > > 1. Since we are a global community, are we referring to these dates as > beginning on 12:01 AM (0001 hours) UTC (also known as GMT) or by > another standard? In other words, will voting now take place on 9 Feb > at 12:01 (0001 hours) UTC? We have always used the 23:59 UTC on the calendar date specified. Makes sense? > 2. WIll the next wave of self-nominations close on 6 February or 9 February? Ouch, I cannot figure this out right now, brain tired. Let's decide this in the morning. > It may be fortunate that the voting period was extended automatically, so that > we have the opportunity to clarify these points. I'm sorry that I > didn't grasp the > situation right away as I am very busy at work at the moment. Thank you much for catching this; been an unexpectedly busy week for myself. > Once these decisions are taken regarding this election, I further suggest that > we post them prominently on the nominations page, along the lines of: > > 1. You have seven (7) votes. > 2. You may cast anywhere from 0 to 7 votes in total. > 3. Cast 0-7 votes for each candidate up to 7 votes. > > etc. > > Best Regards and Enjoy FUDCon, TTYS, - Karsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 08:48:34 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:48:34 +0300 Subject: Comments on DUG update Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> FDP Team Members (especially those at Boston FUDCon): Some quick feedback on the Desktop User Guide: 1. I really like the added anchors in the DUG and the linking from the Sections list to the anchors. 2. Would it be a further improvement to combine the TOC with this section guide and refer to it all as the Table of Contents? 3. On this page regarding "Communications", http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to Gaim's official FAQ. 4. Finally, is this just moving to a new location for the wiki, or is it being prepared for conversion to DocBook XML? 5. Remember that the /Docs/Drafts/ location is referenced by the existing default home page. I'm looking forward to joining you on IRC later today. Enjoy FUDCon, John Babich From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 4 08:52:28 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:52:28 +0300 Subject: Comments on DUG update In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702040052s5d37b3aeve0d6735bf3361fe6@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/07, John Babich wrote: > 3. On this page regarding "Communications", > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, > I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the > exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each > protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. > If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to > Gaim's official FAQ. > I stand corrected. It's still in there. However, we may want to add the fact that a Jabber account can be created inside of Gaim. The others still require outside registration. Thanks, John Babich From couf at skynet.be Sun Feb 4 10:12:57 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:12:57 +0100 Subject: Comments on DUG update In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C5B1A9.20301@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Babich schreef: > FDP Team Members (especially those at Boston FUDCon): Hi John > Some quick feedback on the Desktop User Guide: > > 1. I really like the added anchors in the DUG and the linking from > the Sections list to the anchors. Pauls idea, I think it's a great way of improving the usability of the guide. > > 2. Would it be a further improvement to combine the TOC with > this section guide and refer to it all as the Table of Contents? I'd rather say leave it as it is, there are a lot of guides which work with this system, it provides an overview for those who just want to see the chapters. We could maybe and the page links to the section guide aswell, but I'd keep the TOC > > 3. On this page regarding "Communications", > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, > I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the > exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each > protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. > If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to > Gaim's official FAQ. > > 4. Finally, is this just moving to a new location for the wiki, or is it > being > prepared for conversion to DocBook XML? I don't know if this will happen, but if we want to do it, maybe we can try this afternoon? As such we could master DocBook :) > > 5. Remember that the /Docs/Drafts/ location is referenced by the existing > default home page. Yes, as the guide still carries it's notification. I suppose an announcement will be sent out today/tomorrow and before that we should remove them both. > > I'm looking forward to joining you on IRC later today. Likewise > > Enjoy FUDCon, > > John Babich > Bart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFxbGprbZrKtk/D5MRAm2xAJ9/7uMHBgZxuD/FyDaKua8Z0meNPQCfVzg0 lEwdvrXOi4y3yxrcA6kaXIY= =pkaj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Sun Feb 4 15:43:06 2007 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 15:43:06 +0000 Subject: Comments on DUG update References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John Babich wrote: This is a nice document, IMHO, though with a rather odd selection of topics. Maybe more will be added later? As a matter of interest, what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? And can one run it later to add thumbnails, if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs? In general, is it assumed that one is running either Gnome or KDE in this document, and if so which? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 5 11:38:24 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:38:24 +0300 Subject: Comments on DUG update In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702050338n4986a184v5711426897a8638@mail.gmail.com> On 2/4/07, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > This is a nice document, IMHO, > though with a rather odd selection of topics. > Maybe more will be added later? > On behalf of all the contrbutors, thanks. The selection of topics was determined by the following: Assumptions: The reader has a standard Desktop class installation of Fedora [Core 6], including a user account with the default settings. The reader does not have access to the root password. This document was written for Fedora Core 6. A rewrite is under way for Fedora Linux 7, which may cause this doc to be structured differently, to take into account the merger of Core and Extras, as well as allowing for greater choice in the desktop manager used. > As a matter of interest, > what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? > And can one run it later to add thumbnails, > if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs? > Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in extras, for jpeg viewing. > In general, is it assumed that one is running > either Gnome or KDE in this document, > and if so which? > GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is definitely changing. I hope that helps. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From couf at skynet.be Mon Feb 5 21:31:11 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 22:31:11 +0100 Subject: Comments on DUG update In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702050338n4986a184v5711426897a8638@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702050338n4986a184v5711426897a8638@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45C7A21F.4090105@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Babich schreef: [snip] > > GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. > The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to > be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very > active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. > Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is > definitely changing. > As to reflect this change, could we (for F7) write an all-GNOME and all-KDE version of this guide? This would mean a large deal of overhaul and doing double work, I'm sure, but it would be best for the user experience. > I hope that helps. > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > As a sidenote: shouldn't we release the DUG officially now? I'm quite sure it's ready! Bart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFx6IfrbZrKtk/D5MRAoGJAJ0dylU1syZiDxWglZAvdG7CGNfMtgCeOBVh SXAd29lDd/c1fP7sMHODJ0M= =euPD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 10:15:43 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:15:43 +0300 Subject: Seeking clarification on the FDSCo Elections In-Reply-To: <1170456124.3185.26.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> <1170456124.3185.26.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702060215j829ac07leda2ab405536eaa6@mail.gmail.com> FDP Team Members: We need to decide whether to go ahead with the FDSCo election or postpone it to a future date. First, I would like to bring up some unfinished business: On 2/3/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > We need to approach some people who are hesitant about putting > themselves in. Relative newcomers are welcome, but may not know it. > As a relative newcomer myself, I would encourage people to dive in. I know that there is a great deal I need to learn in order to better contribute to the Fedora Docs Project. IMHO, the best way to learn is by doing. Please consider getting involved by nominating yourself for the FDP steering committee. > > 9. If there are still less than 7 candidates, then voting will take > > place with the number of candidates posted (doc #2). > > Yes, but we can review if this still makes sense. We are not in such a > hurry as to require making bad decisions. :) > I would like to extend the period for nominations so that more people, including Karsten :-) , can put their names on the ballot. > We have always used the 23:59 UTC on the calendar date specified. Makes > sense? > Perfect sense - now I know the standard. Let's put it on the web page so that it is an "open" standard. :-) > > 2. WIll the next wave of self-nominations close on 6 February or 9 February? > > Ouch, I cannot figure this out right now, brain tired. Let's decide > this in the morning. > It is now 6 February. Do we go with 9 February or do we reschedule the election? I would prefer to go ahead with the election, if possible. Of course, we all need to be crystal-clear on the rules. How can we clarify them quickly? John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Feb 6 10:27:49 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 13:27:49 +0300 Subject: Feedback on Join the Fedora Community Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702060227o489b598chc20996e1415271b5@mail.gmail.com> Concerning "Join the Fedora Community" http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join Short version: I like it! Long version: The 6 categories (Content Developer, Designer, People Person, OS Developer, Translator, Web Developer) really capture the roles different people play in the Fedora Project. It would be interesting to describe ourselves in terms of these roles. I personally see myself as a Content Developer first, a Web Developer second, with some People Person thrown in for good measure. I also like the graphics. Maybe we can incorporate them into other pages. The Docs Project is a natural place for the Content Provider graphic. Kudos to Karsten and Mairin! From tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie Tue Feb 6 15:20:10 2007 From: tim at birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 15:20:10 +0000 Subject: Comments on DUG update References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702050338n4986a184v5711426897a8638@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: John Babich wrote: >> As a matter of interest, >> what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? >> And can one run it later to add thumbnails, >> if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs? > > Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, > this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a > digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess > that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more > likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in > extras, for jpeg viewing. I would suggest that the document should state clearly what application is in use. Connecting a camera in the way described does not bring up gthumb or f-spot on my Fedora-6 + KDE machine. >> In general, is it assumed that one is running >> either Gnome or KDE in this document, >> and if so which? > > GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. > The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to > be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very > active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. > Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is > definitely changing. Again, I suggest that it should say that it is assumed the user is running Gnome, if that is indeed the assumption. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail (<80k only): tim /at/ birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 6 19:47:29 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 11:47:29 -0800 Subject: FDSCo meeting for 06-Feb-2007 Message-ID: <1170791249.19144.35.camel@erato.phig.org> We are in fact meeting today on #fedora-docs. Anyone is welcome. Discussion is around: * Fixing and continuing with our election situation * FUDCon reports * AOB I don't have much to report back from FUDCon about FDP in particular, but we might as well get it into the record. :) Paul may have more to say. If no one is available, I'll just use the time to figure out how to fix our election situation. - Karsten -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 00:01:08 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:01:08 -0500 Subject: Seeking clarification on the FDSCo Elections In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702060215j829ac07leda2ab405536eaa6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> <1170456124.3185.26.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702060215j829ac07leda2ab405536eaa6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170806468.5684.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 13:15 +0300, John Babich wrote: > FDP Team Members: > > We need to decide whether to go ahead with the FDSCo election or > postpone it to a future date. > > First, I would like to bring up some unfinished business: > > On 2/3/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > > We need to approach some people who are hesitant about putting > > themselves in. Relative newcomers are welcome, but may not know it. > > > > As a relative newcomer myself, I would encourage people to dive in. > I know that there is a great deal I need to learn in order to better > contribute to the Fedora Docs Project. IMHO, the best way to learn > is by doing. Please consider getting involved by nominating yourself > for the FDP steering committee. +1. > > > 9. If there are still less than 7 candidates, then voting will take > > > place with the number of candidates posted (doc #2). > > > > Yes, but we can review if this still makes sense. We are not in such a > > hurry as to require making bad decisions. :) > > > > I would like to extend the period for nominations so that more people, > including Karsten :-) , can put their names on the ballot. Note to anyone wanting to sign up for nominations -- do it NOW! Takes only a few minutes to put your name on the list. Even if you write only a short one-sentence blurb about yourself, at least put yourself in for consideration. You don't have to write a novel to be considered a candidate. :-) > > We have always used the 23:59 UTC on the calendar date specified. Makes > > sense? > > > > Perfect sense - now I know the standard. Let's put it on the web page so that > it is an "open" standard. :-) > > > > 2. WIll the next wave of self-nominations close on 6 February or 9 February? > > > > Ouch, I cannot figure this out right now, brain tired. Let's decide > > this in the morning. > > > > It is now 6 February. Do we go with 9 February or do we reschedule the > election? I would prefer to go ahead with the election, if possible. > > Of course, we all need to be crystal-clear on the rules. How can we clarify > them quickly? The current policy is clear that there's a one-week delay, then we have the election and simply confirm the existing nominations to start with if we're at fewer than the number of seats open. Of course, that policy reads "proposal" at the top, so that makes it a little... er, less clear. I therefore make a counterproposal: We reschedule for nominations closing on the 13th, elections starting on the 16th (2359 UTC all dates). This gives us time to address this at a FDSCo meeting tonight if possible, or at worst, here on the list, which is understandably a little quiet since we all wore ourselves out at FUDCon. I'll also suggest at the meeting that we discuss the proposal, which didn't get a lot of uptake here on the list. Join us at #fedora-docs if you're able. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 00:07:29 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:07:29 -0500 Subject: Comments on DUG update In-Reply-To: References: <9d2c731f0702040048v5e839d18we1b34bda51f27da0@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702050338n4986a184v5711426897a8638@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170806849.5684.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 15:20 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > John Babich wrote: > > >> As a matter of interest, > >> what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? > >> And can one run it later to add thumbnails, > >> if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs? > > > > Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, > > this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a > > digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess > > that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more > > likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in > > extras, for jpeg viewing. > > I would suggest that the document should state clearly > what application is in use. > Connecting a camera in the way described > does not bring up gthumb or f-spot on my Fedora-6 + KDE machine. The target audience doesn't care about the application name, just the functionality; see below for a more lengthy explanation. > >> In general, is it assumed that one is running > >> either Gnome or KDE in this document, > >> and if so which? > > > > GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. > > The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to > > be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very > > active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. > > Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is > > definitely changing. > > Again, I suggest that it should say that > it is assumed the user is running Gnome, > if that is indeed the assumption. The DUG is designed for use by someone who may not be familiar with general computer use. They are assumed to NOT be familiar with UNIX or Linux at all. That means they don't (and possibly even can't) distinguish between GNOME and KDE, so these terms are meaningless. The front page of the DUG? does state the assumptions, including that the user is starting from a fresh "all-default" installation of Fedora Core 6. For those of us (like you and me) that do know the difference, obviously that means GNOME. If you'd like to test the DUG for whether the instructions work, you're probably going to need to do a default installation on a machine (or virtual guest) to test it. Remember to take defaults in the installer wherever possible. Let us know if the steps shown in the guide still don't work for you. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 00:19:03 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 19:19:03 -0500 Subject: Feedback on Join the Fedora Community In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702060227o489b598chc20996e1415271b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702060227o489b598chc20996e1415271b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170807543.5684.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 13:27 +0300, John Babich wrote: > Concerning "Join the Fedora Community" > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join > > Short version: I like it! > > Long version: > > The 6 categories (Content Developer, Designer, People Person, > OS Developer, Translator, Web Developer) really capture the roles > different people play in the Fedora Project. > > It would be interesting to describe ourselves in terms of these roles. > I personally see myself as a Content Developer first, a Web Developer > second, with some People Person thrown in for good measure. > > I also like the graphics. Maybe we can incorporate them into other pages. > The Docs Project is a natural place for the Content Provider graphic. > > Kudos to Karsten and Mairin! Brilliant! I'd like to see our front page get simplified to look more like the GNOME and Firefox pages. It's currently crowded, and not particularly visually appealing. This issue came up on the Marketing project list not too terribly long ago, and no one appears to have any better ideas for how to change it. Max himself asked that someone please just hack it up, if that's what it took to get some action. I think Mairin should feel empowered to take a hacksaw to it, although I certainly don't want that to sound like a tasking... more like an invitation. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 06:23:08 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:23:08 +0300 Subject: FDSCo meeting for 06-Feb-2007 In-Reply-To: <1170791249.19144.35.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1170791249.19144.35.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702062223l34d1788coaa3cea23d273b923@mail.gmail.com> On 2/6/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > We are in fact meeting today on #fedora-docs. > I would have been unable to attend thanks to my ISP having another unscheduled outage due to poor network management. At the same time, when did you guys meet? I got this e-mail at 10:47 PM my time (2:47 PM EDT, 7:47 PM UTC). > Anyone is welcome. Discussion is around: > > * Fixing and continuing with our election situation > * FUDCon reports > * AOB > > I don't have much to report back from FUDCon about FDP in particular, > but we might as well get it into the record. :) Paul may have more to > say. > > If no one is available, I'll just use the time to figure out how to fix > our election situation. > Was there a meeting, and, if so, will you be posting the IRC transcript? I am especially interested in all the DocBook work that you guys did. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 12:28:47 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:28:47 -0500 Subject: Seeking clarification on the FDSCo Elections In-Reply-To: <1170806468.5684.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9d2c731f0702012245g5e2823cakd6e0f1aa3be7f398@mail.gmail.com> <1170456124.3185.26.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702060215j829ac07leda2ab405536eaa6@mail.gmail.com> <1170806468.5684.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1170851327.13252.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 19:01 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The current policy is clear that there's a one-week delay, then we have > the election and simply confirm the existing nominations to start with > if we're at fewer than the number of seats open. Of course, that policy > reads "proposal" at the top, so that makes it a little... er, less > clear. > > I therefore make a counterproposal: We reschedule for nominations > closing on the 13th, elections starting on the 16th (2359 UTC all > dates). This gives us time to address this at a FDSCo meeting tonight > if possible, or at worst, here on the list, which is understandably a > little quiet since we all wore ourselves out at FUDCon. > > I'll also suggest at the meeting that we discuss the proposal, which > didn't get a lot of uptake here on the list. Join us at #fedora-docs if > you're able. Since no meeting, I also wanted to suggest that we clarify term limits. The proposal says indefinite term, but that's not kosher IMHO. I thought we agreed on staggering terms, but I need to check my old IRC logs from FDSCo meetings to see what exactly was decided. I'm pretty sure it didn't take into account, though, bypassing the vote taking and simply placing nominees in FDSCo seats (as would happen in the event of numCandidates < numSeats). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 7 12:24:57 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 07:24:57 -0500 Subject: FDSCo meeting for 06-Feb-2007 In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702062223l34d1788coaa3cea23d273b923@mail.gmail.com> References: <1170791249.19144.35.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702062223l34d1788coaa3cea23d273b923@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170851097.13252.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 09:23 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On 2/6/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > We are in fact meeting today on #fedora-docs. > > > > I would have been unable to attend thanks to my ISP having > another unscheduled outage due to poor network management. > > At the same time, when did you guys meet? I got this > e-mail at 10:47 PM my time (2:47 PM EDT, 7:47 PM UTC). > > > Anyone is welcome. Discussion is around: > > > > * Fixing and continuing with our election situation > > * FUDCon reports > > * AOB > > > > I don't have much to report back from FUDCon about FDP in particular, > > but we might as well get it into the record. :) Paul may have more to > > say. > > > > If no one is available, I'll just use the time to figure out how to fix > > our election situation. > > > > Was there a meeting, and, if so, will you be posting the IRC transcript? > I am especially interested in all the DocBook work that you guys did. There was none. I was around until about 0330 UTC but Karsten couldn't make it apparently. We need to just hash out the election stuff on the list. I posted a proposal yesterday that I think folks should look at and yea/nay. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Feb 8 07:08:02 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:38:02 +0530 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes Message-ID: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> Hi Some strong notes here: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205#news A followup comment #72 by the author (CC'ed) reveals that the primary concern is over lack of release notes. http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205&mode=16#comments Of course with our level of resources doing full fledged releases notes and translation for a test 1 release of a fast moving distribution like Fedora is not easily done. I was traveling to FUDCon Boston 2007 finalized and unfortunately didnt have any time to work on the release notes but this shouldnt be resting on me entirely. However a single page overview or some notes within the announcements itself wouldnt take much time. It would also be good to link to our QA efforts and release process like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting to avoid the impressions of a lack minute rush up job. The more transparent we are with our development efforts, the better we would be at avoiding misconceptions. Rahul From dziumanenko at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 09:02:53 2007 From: dziumanenko at gmail.com (Maxim V. Dziumanenko) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 11:02:53 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko Message-ID: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> Hello everybody! Full legal name: Maxim V. Dziumanenko City, Country: Kyiv, Ukraine Profession: RedHat technical support service Company: Softprom Ltd. Goals in the Fedora Project I want to maintain Ukrainian translation of Fedora documentation. Historical qualifications What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? I'm coordinator of Ukrainian translation of GNOME, maintainer of Ukrainian translation of RedHat tools, Ukrainian translation of XFCE and Ukrainian translation of many programs in Translation Project. Beside this I'm author of gedit-pomode plugin. What level and type of computer skills do you have? I have good Technical Support skills and programmings skills in Python and C/C++. What makes you an excellent match for the project? I have huge experience in technical translation into the Ukrainian language. GPG KEYID and fingerprint [mvd at fc6 ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 2E5A8871 pub 1024D/2E5A8871 2007-02-07 Key fingerprint = 5241 2A56 914D 6049 7C10 B29A CB26 58A3 2E5A 8871 uid Maxim V. Dziumanenko sub 1024g/CBDA049C 2007-02-07 Best regards -- Maxim V. Dziumanenko From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 09:42:10 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:42:10 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> Maxim: ??????? ??????? ! John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project Disclaimer: Every non-English language I know, I learn via Google :-) From dziumanenko at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 10:56:41 2007 From: dziumanenko at gmail.com (Maxim V. Dziumanenko) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:56:41 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:42 +0300, John Babich ????: Maxim: > > ??????? ??????? ! ?????! I have already translated Release-notes in Ukrainian using i18n.redhat.com, but it's not enough to get fully translated html. I still have no access to docs-common, that's why I need access to docs CVS. I have completed procedure described in Translation Quick Start Guide, but as far as I understand somebody should approve CVS access of 'mvdz'. Also I'm going to translate fedoraproject.org wiki pages in Ukrainian and I've created appropriate Wiki account. What else do I need to do? Btw, is this correct maillist for this topic? Should I mail to other maillist? Thanks a lot -- Maxim V. Dziumanenko From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Thu Feb 8 11:11:29 2007 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:11:29 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0702080311i39a08a84me0cef491e5ea835d@mail.gmail.com> Maxim, First of all welcome! :) Have you completed the steps in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing ? And most important have you signed the CLA ? Thanks, Paulo On 2/8/07, Maxim V. Dziumanenko wrote: > > ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:42 +0300, John Babich ????: > Maxim: > > > > ??????? ??????? ! > > ?????! > > I have already translated Release-notes in Ukrainian using > i18n.redhat.com, but it's not enough to get fully translated html. I > still have no access to docs-common, that's why I need access to docs > CVS. > > I have completed procedure described in Translation Quick Start Guide, > but as far as I understand somebody should approve CVS access of 'mvdz'. > Also I'm going to translate fedoraproject.org wiki pages in Ukrainian > and I've created appropriate Wiki account. What else do I need to do? > > Btw, is this correct maillist for this topic? Should I mail to other > maillist? > > Thanks a lot > > > -- > Maxim V. Dziumanenko > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From couf at skynet.be Thu Feb 8 11:26:36 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:26:36 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> Message-ID: <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Maxim V. Dziumanenko schreef: > ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:42 +0300, John Babich ????: > Maxim: >> ??????? ??????? ! > > ?????! Hi Maxim, Welcome to Fedora Documentation Project! > > I have already translated Release-notes in Ukrainian using > i18n.redhat.com, but it's not enough to get fully translated html. I > still have no access to docs-common, that's why I need access to docs > CVS. The translation process used in Fedora Documentation is documented here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Translation For getting access to the CVS repository, please see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsUsage As of some time, you need to be sponsored to get CVS access, which means one of the translators-sponsors (Dimitris Glezos or myself) will help you through the process. Normally you have anonymous access to the repository (as described in the link above). For starters I would recommend to start with the Translation Quick Start Guide (in cvs: translation-quick-start-guide). You'll also need docs-common. If you have any problems, don't hesitate to contact the mailinglist. > I have completed procedure described in Translation Quick Start Guide, > but as far as I understand somebody should approve CVS access of 'mvdz'. > Also I'm going to translate fedoraproject.org wiki pages in Ukrainian > and I've created appropriate Wiki account. What else do I need to do? > Editing the wiki is described here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing > Btw, is this correct maillist for this topic? Should I mail to other > maillist? > Absolutly! > Thanks a lot Welcome again to FDP! Bart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFywjrrbZrKtk/D5MRAs/iAKCg6q+ZgUprJYsSFmRBiZtVxF2pBQCfSL4k tEm0DnGi/ItJxhA4P59XUGw= =avSf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dziumanenko at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 12:13:10 2007 From: dziumanenko at gmail.com (Maxim V. Dziumanenko) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:13:10 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0702080311i39a08a84me0cef491e5ea835d@mail.gmail.com> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <7a41c4bc0702080311i39a08a84me0cef491e5ea835d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170936790.3109.22.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:11 +0100, Paulo Santos ????: > Maxim, > > First of all welcome! :) > Have you completed the steps in > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing ? > And most important have you signed the CLA ? > Sure. I just need somebody who will add me to EditGroup. -- Maxim V. Dziumanenko From dziumanenko at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 12:26:59 2007 From: dziumanenko at gmail.com (Maxim V. Dziumanenko) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:26:59 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> Message-ID: <1170937619.3109.29.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:26 +0100, Bart Couvreur ????: > As of some time, you need to be sponsored to get CVS access, which means > one of the translators-sponsors (Dimitris Glezos or myself) will help > you through the process. Normally you have anonymous access to the > repository (as described in the link above). For starters I would > recommend to start with the Translation Quick Start Guide (in cvs: > translation-quick-start-guide). You'll also need docs-common. > So, I'll translate translation-quick-start-guide and docs-common and will send them to you. Right? Best regards -- Maxim V. 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Dziumanenko ??????: > ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 12:26 +0100, Bart Couvreur ????: > >> As of some time, you need to be sponsored to get CVS access, which means >> one of the translators-sponsors (Dimitris Glezos or myself) will help >> you through the process. Normally you have anonymous access to the >> repository (as described in the link above). For starters I would >> recommend to start with the Translation Quick Start Guide (in cvs: >> translation-quick-start-guide). You'll also need docs-common. >> > So, I'll translate translation-quick-start-guide and docs-common and > will send them to you. Right? Sounds like a good plan. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :) Welcome to the team! -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 8 15:40:39 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:40:39 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <45CB1BB3.3080204@glezos.com> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> <1170937619.3109.29.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB1BB3.3080204@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1170949239.19144.134.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:46 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Maxim V. Dziumanenko ??????: > > > > So, I'll translate translation-quick-start-guide and docs-common and > > will send them to you. Right? > > Sounds like a good plan. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :) Naturally I just messed up your carefully laid plans by approving 'mvdz' for cvsdocs. So, I'll take responsibility if he does anything crazy in CVS while you are going through the usual sponsoring route. :) I got confused because I didn't recall there being a "first anonymous CVS, prove self, then gain access" step: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsAccess There is some confusion here. The CVSUsage page makes it sound easy (a self-intro, proof of ability -- writing sample, referenced translation, and Fedora account), then the CVSAccess page puts on more restriction (sponsor). This is confusing even to me! Arrgh!! Obviously its time to pare down the pages and directions a bit. Anyone who wants to help, jump in. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 15:55:01 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:55:01 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1170950101.3873.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Some strong notes here: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205#news > > A followup comment #72 by the author (CC'ed) reveals that the primary > concern is over lack of release notes. > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205&mode=16#comments > > Of course with our level of resources doing full fledged releases notes > and translation for a test 1 release of a fast moving distribution like > Fedora is not easily done. I was traveling to FUDCon Boston 2007 > finalized and unfortunately didnt have any time to work on the release > notes but this shouldnt be resting on me entirely. However a single page > overview or some notes within the announcements itself wouldnt take much > time. Yes, a substantial percentage of those who have been carrying the relnotes load were also en route. A one-pager sounds like the right balance, but the problem also exists that we do not want to introduce any load on the L10N program until test3, so that translators are not dealing with large numbers of changed strings over the frenzy of development that happens between test1 and test3. Therefore we should probably mention *IN* the release notes one-pager why, exactly, it is not being translated, and when translations can be expected. As test1 is normally a time when we take a very rough snapshot of where we're going, with many things still to shake out from all perspectives, I think it's unreasonable to expect much relnotes content there. But having a note to that effect would be useful. That content, once written, could be usable for every test1 (or even test2) release. Bob Jensen has been holding the position of Editor in Chief for the Release Notes. Bob, are you going to handle this initiative, then? > It would also be good to link to our QA efforts and release process like > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting to avoid the > impressions of a lack minute rush up job. The more transparent we are > with our development efforts, the better we would be at avoiding > misconceptions. Sure, that could be part of the one-page content. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 15:57:20 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 10:57:20 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <1170949239.19144.134.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> <1170937619.3109.29.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB1BB3.3080204@glezos.com> <1170949239.19144.134.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1170950240.3873.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 07:40 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:46 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > O/H Maxim V. Dziumanenko ??????: > > > > > > So, I'll translate translation-quick-start-guide and docs-common and > > > will send them to you. Right? > > > > Sounds like a good plan. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :) > > Naturally I just messed up your carefully laid plans by approving 'mvdz' > for cvsdocs. So, I'll take responsibility if he does anything crazy in > CVS while you are going through the usual sponsoring route. :) > > I got confused because I didn't recall there being a "first anonymous > CVS, prove self, then gain access" step: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsAccess > > There is some confusion here. The CVSUsage page makes it sound easy (a > self-intro, proof of ability -- writing sample, referenced translation, > and Fedora account), then the CVSAccess page puts on more restriction > (sponsor). > > This is confusing even to me! Arrgh!! > > Obviously its time to pare down the pages and directions a bit. Anyone > who wants to help, jump in. +1. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that we may have more confusing process steps than the Extras & Packaging folks at this point! We should be able to pare down the entire "join and work" process to one short-ish page. -- Paul W. 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Maybe we did when RHL had Ed Bailey on relnotes full time, but not since he vacated that post. > Of course with our level of resources doing full fledged releases notes > and translation for a test 1 release of a fast moving distribution like > Fedora is not easily done. More so, we are relying upon the developers to give us more meaning, and the timing is quite tight. > I was traveling to FUDCon Boston 2007 > finalized and unfortunately didnt have any time to work on the release > notes but this shouldnt be resting on me entirely. Good lord, no. In fact, I'd like you to turn at least 50% of your attention that you normally give the relnotes into pressure on developers to do their own dirty work. I've raised this with the Fedora Project Board. Complaining about developer documentation participation is a seasonal sport, but in the case of Fedora, they have zero excuses. We have truly made documenting the OS fundamentally simple. > However a single page > overview or some notes within the announcements itself wouldnt take much > time. Or just a link to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats with some associate old-content clean out. Some of that content is in fact already updated. This comes down to a lack of complete tools. If we had the "Output to Release Notes Package" functionality, it would be easy. As it is, we are still manually converting. I am working on getting this resolved[1], but in the meantime ... [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00008.html > It would also be good to link to our QA efforts and release process like > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting to avoid the > impressions of a lack minute rush up job. The more transparent we are > with our development efforts, the better we would be at avoiding > misconceptions. Heh heh, misconception is a much milder word than I used. :) I guess we should be flattered that it mattered so much to Ladislav that there no release notes. And I'm sorry I didn't communicate on this. The Fedora release engineer caught me on IRC and we decided that we'd follow the tradition of not worrying about relnotes for test1. I should have asked for opinions and help on list. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 16:27:58 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 19:27:58 +0300 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> For what it's worth, I posted message #126 to Distrowatch (http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205&mode=16#comments) and gave my two cents' worth. I agree that it's a good thing that people have high expectations for Fedora. I'm sure my fellow team members will do the right thing. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 19:52:11 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:52:11 +0300 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> After an IRC conversation on fedora-docs earlier today, I decided to put together a wiki page for the Fedora 7 Test1 Release Notes at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich/Sandbox/Releasenotes I followed the general outline of the published Fedora Core 6 version as a starting point. Please review the page and feel free to make any modifications. I especially would like anyone to add more details regarding performance and system administration. Thanks, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 8 12:19:21 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 04:19:21 -0800 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 22:52 +0300, John Babich wrote: > After an IRC conversation on fedora-docs earlier today, I decided > to put together a wiki page for the Fedora 7 Test1 Release Notes at > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich/Sandbox/Releasenotes > > I followed the general outline of the published Fedora Core 6 version > as a starting point. > > Please review the page and feel free to make any modifications. I > especially would like anyone to add more details regarding > performance and system administration. I think I see some ways we can handle test1 for the future. However, we are now needing to focus on real content for test2, so let's not spin too much time on this. 1. Update /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html and point at Docs/Beats 2. Do the same for the release notes file itself, maybe just have it be a copy of the index.html (or a symlink?) 3. Do whatever we can to make Docs/Beats/ i) cleaned out from previous full release, ii) with a splash page that says it is mainly empty but in the works, that iii) invites participation. An alternate on this theme are to put what John did[1] as /usr/share/doc/HTML/RELEASE-NOTES*. I like keeping the splash page (index.html) with useful content, as-is. From here, let's focus on energizing the developers to put raw content in Docs/Beats/ BTW ... I had a developer complain that "beats don't make sense to me so I ignore it because it is too jargony", or something to that effect. Do we need to change the namespace/convention? As long as it makes sense to describe a modular document. Thoughts? - Karsten [1] http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich/Sandbox/Releasenotes -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 8 22:26:43 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:26:43 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 04:19 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 22:52 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > After an IRC conversation on fedora-docs earlier today, I decided > > to put together a wiki page for the Fedora 7 Test1 Release Notes at > > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich/Sandbox/Releasenotes > > > > I followed the general outline of the published Fedora Core 6 version > > as a starting point. > > > > Please review the page and feel free to make any modifications. I > > especially would like anyone to add more details regarding > > performance and system administration. > > I think I see some ways we can handle test1 for the future. However, we > are now needing to focus on real content for test2, so let's not spin > too much time on this. +1, especially not based on Internet "joinalism".? > 1. Update /usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html and point at Docs/Beats > 2. Do the same for the release notes file itself, maybe just have it be > a copy of the index.html (or a symlink?) > 3. Do whatever we can to make Docs/Beats/ i) cleaned out from previous > full release, ii) with a splash page that says it is mainly empty but in > the works, that iii) invites participation. > > An alternate on this theme are to put what John did[1] > as /usr/share/doc/HTML/RELEASE-NOTES*. I like keeping the splash page > (index.html) with useful content, as-is. The second approach is, I think, the better one. That way the homepage stays pristine and we have One Less Spurious Detail to remember at spin time. > From here, let's focus on energizing the developers to put raw content > in Docs/Beats/ > > BTW ... I had a developer complain that "beats don't make sense to me so > I ignore it because it is too jargony", or something to that effect. Do > we need to change the namespace/convention? As long as it makes sense > to describe a modular document. Thoughts? My first thought is, "hogwash." Sorry the person in question didn't understand what the word "beat" meant, but the definition, as intended, shows up as #8 and #9 in my gdict application. And that is probably the lamest excuse I can imagine for not participating -- because one doesn't agree with a namespace label? Riiiiight. (Please excuse my negativity, but having just spent last weekend with a dedicated, smart group of individuals who -- in large part -- are generously giving of their free time to do all kinds of really neat stuff for Fedora, that kind of dismissive attitude just bugs the bejeebus out of me. OTOH, maybe I'm just having a bad ${WORKWEEK}.) I added the definition to the Beats page anyway. And as for changing the convention, I vote not only "no," but "HELL, NO." Unless, of course, the developer in question would like to concomitantly eliminate forevermore his use of the words "bug," "hack," and "push." = = = ? This is my newly minted jargon term for "People who know how to run a Web site and call themselves journalists." Please use and distribute as desired. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 07:07:44 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:07:44 +0300 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Docs Team: I reviewed the ongoing discussion on this topic and made the following changes to the wiki page for Fedora 7 Test 1 Release Notes at http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich/Sandbox/Releasenotes 1. Explained that test release notes change rapidly and that it's not practical to translate them. 2. Added link to Fedora 7 Test 1 QA page http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting 3. Did a general revision to emphasize that this is a test release and a work-in-progress. I think I've done everything I can do at this point. What needs to be done: 1. Agree that this is ready for publishing on the wiki. 2. Move it to its final location on the wiki. 3. Advertise that these are the release notes for Fedora 7 Test 1. Think of this as an experiment on how to provide *test* release notes. I think the process for publishing the *final* release notes is fine and should stay the same. Of course, we should continue to tweak the final publication procedures, but I feel it provides a professional-quality document. John Babich Living with the existential tension between these two great truths: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "Good, better, best / Never let it rest / Till your good is better / and your better, best" From dziumanenko at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 09:26:23 2007 From: dziumanenko at gmail.com (Maxim V. Dziumanenko) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 11:26:23 +0200 Subject: Self-Introduction: Maxim Dziumanenko In-Reply-To: <1170949239.19144.134.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1170925373.3109.1.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <9d2c731f0702080142y3a1e51f7h4eadec7fe9ff1577@mail.gmail.com> <1170932201.3109.19.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB08EC.3090503@skynet.be> <1170937619.3109.29.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> <45CB1BB3.3080204@glezos.com> <1170949239.19144.134.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1171013183.3132.6.camel@fc6.nest.softprom.ua> ? ???, 2007-02-08 ? 07:40 -0800, Karsten Wade ????: > On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 12:46 +0000, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > O/H Maxim V. Dziumanenko ??????: > > > > > > So, I'll translate translation-quick-start-guide and docs-common and > > > will send them to you. Right? > > > > Sounds like a good plan. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :) > > Naturally I just messed up your carefully laid plans by approving 'mvdz' > for cvsdocs. So, I'll take responsibility if he does anything crazy in > CVS while you are going through the usual sponsoring route. :) Thank you for trust. I will try to be accurate. Do I have to coordinate commits to CVS with sponsors or someone else? Best regards -- Maxim V. Dziumanenko From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 9 10:33:04 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 16:03:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <45CC4DE0.8060703@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: > I guess we should be flattered that it mattered so much to Ladislav that > there no release notes. And I'm sorry I didn't communicate on this. > The Fedora release engineer caught me on IRC and we decided that we'd > follow the tradition of not worrying about relnotes for test1. I should > have asked for opinions and help on list. It wouldnt have taken more than a few minutes for the developers involved to quickly note what major changes were pushed into the test 1 releases, what we tested, known bugs etc on a single page. No translation required. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 9 15:15:28 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:45:28 +0530 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <200702090817.32783.jkeating@redhat.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <45CC4DE0.8060703@fedoraproject.org> <200702090817.32783.jkeating@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45CC9010.4050108@fedoraproject.org> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 09 February 2007 05:33, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> It wouldnt have taken more than a few minutes for the developers >> involved to quickly note what major changes were pushed into the test 1 >> releases, what we tested, known bugs etc on a single page. No >> translation required. > > Would you like to be on the hook for this? No. I have done the work before because the people who would doing the package changes didnt bother conveying the release notes worthy information. It is very inefficient for me to go through individual package changelogs for thousands of packages to hope and find useful information. In many cases upstream does the changes so they are not even noted in the changelog. The only way this would scale is for individual developers to get involved better. When you are composing the spin and doing the release announcement, it is easy enough to just point out the major changes. Say GNOME KDE and Kernel x.y. Important feature z etc. Test1 is almost always a mixed bag > of random crud that has creeped into rawhide. It's just a snapshot of what > has been doing on, and in no way is it supposed to be a demo of any of the > planned features. Almost any feature that shows up in Test1 is going to be > half baked and perhaps not in a desired state to document or even draw > attention to. If we want folks to actually test them we need to point to draw them in by pointing out the changes that we do. If there is nothing worth pointing out, test 1 isnt useful. > > We have what we tested and known bugs on one page, the TreeTesting wiki page. We should included that within the announcement too. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 9 15:38:39 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 21:08:39 +0530 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <200702091029.39805.jkeating@redhat.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <200702090817.32783.jkeating@redhat.com> <45CC9010.4050108@fedoraproject.org> <200702091029.39805.jkeating@redhat.com> Message-ID: <45CC957F.6030703@fedoraproject.org> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 09 February 2007 10:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> When you are composing the spin and doing the release announcement, it >> is easy enough to just point out the major changes. >> >> Say GNOME KDE and Kernel x.y. Important feature z etc. > > I don't always know this information, and it's just as much of a pain in the > ass for me to go looking for it as it is for you. Which is why I said that individual developers need to be more proactive on passing on important upstream as well as Fedora specific changes. Any single person doing it is going to be painful. > Incorrect. Test1 serves as a somewhat stable starting point for fleshing out > the features that are planned for the next release. Especially if we wind up > doing hackfests just after Test1 continually. A lot of the features aren't > really suitable for testing by anybody other than the developer, but they > need something they can install with their changes that actually installs > rather than the more often than not broken rawhide repo at this stage. Test1 > provides them a platform to put their package on and continue to develop it. > Often times the feature isn't baked enough so that anybody else looking at it > would do any good. I think we are aiming at a different audience for each of the test releases. We need to agree on and pass on that to the wider folks involved. Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 9 16:05:37 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:05:37 -0800 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171037138.3265.23.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:07 +0300, John Babich wrote: > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting Looks good, let it roll. > 1. Agree that this is ready for publishing on the wiki. In a new namespace? wiki/Docs/ReleaseNotes/F7/test1/? Maybe a simply reusable space ... Docs/ReleaseNotes has links to old release notes and either i) the current notes or ii) the current test splash? > 2. Move it to its final location on the wiki. > > 3. Advertise that these are the release notes for Fedora 7 Test 1. Sure, an announcement to fedora-announce would probably do at this point, make the effort worth it. > Think of this as an experiment on how to provide *test* release notes. The idea being, for test1 and test2, we do *not* include a Wiki -> XML -> HTML push for the first two tests? It would be good if we had something to include. Maybe an admonition or link from the splash/index.html? Not sure if that or a symlink violates Paul's "one less tweak to worry about for final spin." - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The space has been there for months, they could be making continual notes in public about their section of the release, but they do not. We are missing a big opportunity here. I think FDP is doing all it can to move this forward. I escalated the problem to the board. When it is this easy[1] to file a release note, there is simply no excuse not to do it. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process#submitting > I think we are aiming at a different audience for each of the test > releases. We need to agree on and pass on that to the wider folks involved. +1 ... about time we do that. Make it very clear in the announcement: test1 -- for developers, use at your own risk, contains many half-baked items test2 -- for early adopters, most things should work and we REALLY NEED YOUR HELP to find what is broken test3 -- for beta users, this is the place where we MUST HAVE full community participation; otherwise, when it is released and doesn't work on our hardware, it is you who suffers the most. Like that? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 9 16:25:14 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:25:14 -0800 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171038314.3265.41.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 17:26 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2007-02-08 at 04:19 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > BTW ... I had a developer complain that "beats don't make sense to me so > > I ignore it because it is too jargony", or something to that effect. Do > > we need to change the namespace/convention? As long as it makes sense > > to describe a modular document. Thoughts? > > My first thought is, "hogwash." Sorry the person in question didn't > understand what the word "beat" meant, but the definition, as intended, > shows up as #8 and #9 in my gdict application. And that is probably the > lamest excuse I can imagine for not participating -- because one doesn't > agree with a namespace label? Riiiiight. To be clear, the objection AIUI was that when the developer (pjones) went to a page in the Wiki to input content, he was faced with jargon that didn't make sense ('beat' and ...?). Rather than take the time to understand what was going on, he went away. His objection (AIUI) is that we are turning developer/contributors away with non-developer jargon in front. > (Please excuse my negativity, but having just spent last weekend with a > dedicated, smart group of individuals who -- in large part -- are > generously giving of their free time to do all kinds of really neat > stuff for Fedora, that kind of dismissive attitude just bugs the > bejeebus out of me. OTOH, maybe I'm just having a bad ${WORKWEEK}.) > > I added the definition to the Beats page anyway. And as for changing > the convention, I vote not only "no," but "HELL, NO." Unless, of > course, the developer in question would like to concomitantly eliminate > forevermore his use of the words "bug," "hack," and "push." Peter Jones is hereby Cc:'d and called to the table to explain himself in more detail. He raised this with me (in public IRC, so he can't hide now!), and we didn't get to address this at FUDCon. My reasoning for using 'beat' is simple: it is the correct word that describes the situation, and it is specific to the writing craft. Since a goal of the FDP is to increase the quantity and quality of writers in Fedora, we are specifically trying to attract those who can write. What I said to Paul is that, in the end, if the word 'beat' is getting in our way more than helping, then we should change it. Our current big problem is *not* a lack of writers but a lack of contributions to the release notes from the rest of Fedora. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:38:38 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1171037138.3265.23.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> <1171037138.3265.23.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1171042718.3765.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 08:05 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:07 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting > > Looks good, let it roll. > > > 1. Agree that this is ready for publishing on the wiki. > > In a new namespace? wiki/Docs/ReleaseNotes/F7/test1/? > > Maybe a simply reusable space ... > > Docs/ReleaseNotes has links to old release notes and either i) the > current notes or ii) the current test splash? > > > 2. Move it to its final location on the wiki. > > > > 3. Advertise that these are the release notes for Fedora 7 Test 1. > > Sure, an announcement to fedora-announce would probably do at this > point, make the effort worth it. > > > Think of this as an experiment on how to provide *test* release notes. > > The idea being, for test1 and test2, we do *not* include a Wiki -> XML > -> HTML push for the first two tests? > > It would be good if we had something to include. Maybe an admonition or > link from the splash/index.html? Not sure if that or a symlink violates > Paul's "one less tweak to worry about for final spin." Putting a "placeholder" in the release-notes module is the right way to go. The link already exists in the splash page; no need to change it. The web site could be updated as needed, since we would obviously be revisiting it anyway to post the test3/final versions. I just don't want to change the splash page, or other READMEs that we wouldn't otherwise be touching, since every time we add more indirect update points, it's yet another thing that can be wrong at release time. We basically have three points for Release Notes ingress: 1. /usr/share/doc/HTML/RELEASE-NOTES-*.html (provided by release-notes/ in CVS) 2. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ (indirectly provided by same) 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/ReleaseNotes/ (canonical) So we're looking at putting in filler in CVS that takes care of (1) and (2), and a quick note on (3) which is easy to remove for a "real" publication push. Did I miss something? Do we know all the entry points people currently have for Release Notes? If not, should we? -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 9 20:19:02 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 23:19:02 +0300 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <1171042718.3765.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> <1171037138.3265.23.camel@erato.phig.org> <1171042718.3765.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702091219l7e96f39du6e0fc434637c6e32@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Docs Team: That was a great IRC session today. IMHO, the Fedora 7 Test 1 Release Notes turned out great. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F7Test1/ReleaseNotes All we need to do is announce it to the world. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project On 2/9/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 08:05 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:07 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting > > > > Looks good, let it roll. > > > > > 1. Agree that this is ready for publishing on the wiki. > > > > In a new namespace? wiki/Docs/ReleaseNotes/F7/test1/? > > > > Maybe a simply reusable space ... > > > > Docs/ReleaseNotes has links to old release notes and either i) the > > current notes or ii) the current test splash? > > > > > 2. Move it to its final location on the wiki. > > > > > > 3. Advertise that these are the release notes for Fedora 7 Test 1. > > > > Sure, an announcement to fedora-announce would probably do at this > > point, make the effort worth it. > > > > > Think of this as an experiment on how to provide *test* release notes. > > > > The idea being, for test1 and test2, we do *not* include a Wiki -> XML > > -> HTML push for the first two tests? > > > > It would be good if we had something to include. Maybe an admonition or > > link from the splash/index.html? Not sure if that or a symlink violates > > Paul's "one less tweak to worry about for final spin." > > Putting a "placeholder" in the release-notes module is the right way to > go. The link already exists in the splash page; no need to change it. > The web site could be updated as needed, since we would obviously be > revisiting it anyway to post the test3/final versions. I just don't > want to change the splash page, or other READMEs that we wouldn't > otherwise be touching, since every time we add more indirect update > points, it's yet another thing that can be wrong at release time. We > basically have three points for Release Notes ingress: > > 1. /usr/share/doc/HTML/RELEASE-NOTES-*.html (provided by release-notes/ > in CVS) > 2. http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/release-notes/ (indirectly provided by > same) > 3. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/ReleaseNotes/ (canonical) > > So we're looking at putting in filler in CVS that takes care of (1) and > (2), and a quick note on (3) which is easy to remove for a "real" > publication push. Did I miss something? Do we know all the entry > points people currently have for Release Notes? If not, should we? > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board > Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 10 09:35:18 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 01:35:18 -0800 Subject: orphaned doc : SELinux FAQ Message-ID: <1171100118.3265.81.camel@erato.phig.org> http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ I wrote and maintained this document for a while, but it has fallen into disrepair. It has not been updated since FC5. For the most part, it is now replaced with the more actively maintained content at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux If anyone is interested in taking over this document, you are free to. Otherwise, I'm going to tell Dan Walsh and friends to mine it for any value, and put the ore on the Wiki. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 13:27:37 2007 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:27:37 +0800 Subject: orphaned doc : SELinux FAQ In-Reply-To: <1171100118.3265.81.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171100118.3265.81.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <76e72f800702100527j30ab001bn3a7965bc2db1e4ec@mail.gmail.com> /me reading http://danwalsh.livejournal.com . His blog is so helpful! 2007/2/10, Karsten Wade : > http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq/ > > I wrote and maintained this document for a while, but it has fallen into > disrepair. It has not been updated since FC5. For the most part, it is > now replaced with the more actively maintained content at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux > > If anyone is interested in taking over this document, you are free to. > Otherwise, I'm going to tell Dan Walsh and friends to mine it for any > value, and put the ore on the Wiki. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- bbbush ^_^ From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 10 16:09:00 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 11:09:00 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 and release notes In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702091219l7e96f39du6e0fc434637c6e32@mail.gmail.com> References: <45CACC52.8000902@fedoraproject.org> <1170951247.19144.151.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702080827y794e34fbq913c97c17cb0e870@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0702081152o3bbc28b5u7e7bac002174c527@mail.gmail.com> <1170937161.3265.17.camel@erato.phig.org> <1170973603.3873.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702082307q6557cf00xe5678788de8dae4a@mail.gmail.com> <1171037138.3265.23.camel@erato.phig.org> <1171042718.3765.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702091219l7e96f39du6e0fc434637c6e32@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171123740.4079.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 23:19 +0300, John Babich wrote: > Fedora Docs Team: > > That was a great IRC session today. > > IMHO, the Fedora 7 Test 1 Release Notes turned out great. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F7Test1/ReleaseNotes > > All we need to do is announce it to the world. 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This is how you are aware of incoming content submissions. cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gayathri.swa at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 04:27:17 2007 From: gayathri.swa at gmail.com (Gayathri Swaminathan) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 22:27:17 -0600 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan Message-ID: Dear FDP members: Firstly, thanks for this great opportunity to be a part of this community. I have been a Redhat linux user since 2002. I write this email now to quickly introduce myself and provide some background information. My full legal name is Gayathri Swaminathan. I originally hail from Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India, but currently live in the US at Norman, Oklahoma. I hold a MS in CS and have worked in the IT industry around six years ( as a systems/network administrator, programmer ) At Norman, I work for the University of Oklahoma as a System Analyst at the Information technology deparment, College of Continuing Education. Professionally use Redhat ( as most of our services are deployed in this platform), but personally use Fedora to stay abreast with the bleeding edge features/ functions. This also gives me the opportunity to test feature sets, before the mass deployment in production. My programming tasks include coding in Perl, Python, Bash scripting and using Postgresql, Mysql. My goal is to share my gotchas while installing latest features/ packages to the rest of the community and particularly help with the translation to Tamil ( my mother tongue). Since Tamil Nadu state government went open source recently, I feel there is a pressing need for documentation, community support to improve the average user experience. I am also willing to contribute in terms of systems adminstration and programming tasks. While I wrote fairly a lot during my Masters, I would appreciate a secondary review to my writing :) Here is my GPG fingerprint: [gayathri at athena ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 3EFB3D39 pub 1024D/3EFB3D39 2007-02-12 [expires: 2009-02-11] Key fingerprint = BB80 D6EF ED37 A2CF 1D4A 37FC 78FB D1D8 3EFB 3D39 uid Gayathri Swaminathan sub 2048g/88944448 2007-02-12 [expires: 2009-02-11] Best regards, -- Gayathri Swaminathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you haven't already, you should also link up with the Translation Project. It's great when someone has good language skills in English and another language (I wish I did). John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Mon Feb 12 07:04:52 2007 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:04:52 +0000 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702112118o4a6d6279h5c740d10022a2d83@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702112118o4a6d6279h5c740d10022a2d83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0702112304j68487b37lab4a46931a664aa4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Gayathri, Firt of all, welcome to the list. I see in your presentation that you have some python experience, and that you also willing to contribute in terms of programming tasks?! We are looking for a python coder, to help us with some wiki needs. So if you're interested, just let us know and i'm sure that we can forward you to the right people :) Enjoy your staying in the Fedora Documentation Project. Thanks, Paulo On 2/12/07, John Babich wrote: > > On 2/12/07, Gayathri Swaminathan wrote: > > Dear FDP members: > > > > My goal is to share my gotchas while installing latest features/ > packages > > to the rest of the community and particularly help with the translation > to > > Tamil ( my mother tongue). Since Tamil Nadu state government went open > > source recently, I feel there is a pressing need for documentation, > > community support to improve the average user experience. I am also > willing > > to contribute in terms of systems adminstration and programming tasks. > > > > Gayathri: > > Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! > > As a relative newcomer, I can say that I think you'll find the team to > be very supportive and friendly. > > If you haven't already, you should also link up with the Translation > Project. It's great when someone has good language skills in English > and another language (I wish I did). > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gayathri.swa at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 13:34:41 2007 From: gayathri.swa at gmail.com (Gayathri Swaminathan) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 07:34:41 -0600 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0702112304j68487b37lab4a46931a664aa4@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702112118o4a6d6279h5c740d10022a2d83@mail.gmail.com> <7a41c4bc0702112304j68487b37lab4a46931a664aa4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Paulo: I am interested to take part in the development assignments. I have been coding in Python only last eight months ( not a long time, but hope it meets your expectations ) . Just let me know the specifications/ needs and related process. Thanks, On 2/12/07, Paulo Santos wrote: > > Hi Gayathri, > > Firt of all, welcome to the list. > I see in your presentation that you have some python experience, and that > you also willing to contribute in terms of programming tasks?! > We are looking for a python coder, to help us with some wiki needs. So if > you're interested, just let us know and i'm sure that we can forward you to > the right people :) > > Enjoy your staying in the Fedora Documentation Project. > > > Thanks, > Paulo > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Gayathri Swaminathan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In that way the stepover to Linux for the poor Vista victims will be a lot easier. I hope i can make a nice contribution for this Project. With regards John Sterken The Netherlands GPGKEY: ????????? Volunteer ----- Original Message ----- From: Gayathri Swaminathan To: For participants of the Documentation Project Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan Hello John: As a relative newcomer, I can say that I think you'll find the team to be very supportive and friendly. This is encouraging :) This group indeed seems to be very organized ( like the howtos, directions) and very collaborative. If you haven't already, you should also link up with the Translation Project. It's great when someone has good language skills in English and another language (I wish I did). I did not link to the translations project. Will certainly do that. -- Gayathri Swaminathan gpgkey: 3EFB3D39 Volunteer, FDP ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 18:44:58 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:44:58 -0500 Subject: Fedora 7 Test 1 Release Notes In-Reply-To: <1171300770.7036.29.camel@metroid.rdu.redhat.com> References: <1171076775.4079.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171300770.7036.29.camel@metroid.rdu.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1171305898.14634.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:19 -0500, Will Woods wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 22:06 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Fedora 7 Test 1 Release Notes > > ============================== > > Dude, this is *awesome*. What can I do to help make sure updated release > notes appear alongside Test2? Glad you asked! :-) Simply pitch in by editing the Wiki "beats" (subject matter areas) for the Release Notes, or in any of the five other ways we've helpfully set up to collect content: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process We will be condensing content down to a one-sheet for test2 again, but for test3, there will be a full load of content going to L10N for translation. The updates between test3 => final are usually minimal, thus the release notes change little as well. So if they start translating in advance of test 3 (14+ days), even if a language isn't finished in time for test3, it will have plenty of time to get there for the final release. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 18:50:52 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:50:52 -0500 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: <003b01c74ec9$8faa8aa0$0a01a8c0@MP110> References: <9d2c731f0702112118o4a6d6279h5c740d10022a2d83@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c74ec9$8faa8aa0$0a01a8c0@MP110> Message-ID: <1171306252.14634.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 18:16 +0100, John Sterken wrote: > Thank you Gayathri, for the welcome. > > Indeed, i have already linked up with the translation project. > I can not say that Linux is new for me, but it is the first time that > i want to participate in a project. > > The day Microsoft decided to launch the Vista cruelty on the dutch > market i decided that i would throw out al the MS garbage. > > I installed Core 6 and have it running nicely ( exept for my TV card, > but i will fix that as well), and i will mail the trick to the > hardware project. > But for now, i want to participate in the documents project and try to > translate a lot of documents in either Dutch, German or English. > In that way the stepover to Linux for the poor Vista victims will be a > lot easier. > > I hope i can make a nice contribution for this Project. You're very welcome, John. You can check out some introductory documentation at: http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/translation-quick-start-guide/ Since you're interested specifically in translating, you might also want to join the fedora-trans-list and check out the L10N project page at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N Thanks and again, welcome! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From griffin5w at gmail.com Mon Feb 12 20:20:07 2007 From: griffin5w at gmail.com (Griff 5watt) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:20:07 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: Hi all: My name is Aaron Bowman. I am located in Connecticut, USA, and work as the technology manager for a small group of medical practices. I have been using Linux at home for a number of years, and have decided that it was time that I find a way to give back to the community. I originally started with downloaded floppies of Debian and Slackware, eventually settling on Red Hat 5.0. Around RH7 I began trying out other distributions again, but returned to Red Hat each time. In short, I have used every major release of Red Hat and Fedora since RH 5.0, and just recently moved up to FC6 (yeah, finally got wireless to work). I am not a power user, nor am I a programmer. I have done very small projects in VB and C++ on Win32; I have worked in PHP, HTML, and SQL in Linux. I have played with Java, Mono (C#), JavaScript, SGML, XML, COBOL, Perl, and LaTeX. Alas, I have only played, but would like to do more. Earlier this month I had the opportunity to go to FUDCon in Boston; I attended Paul's session on Doc Tools. If I understood the discussion correctly, the goal is for all documentation to be stored in XML, with a static web interface, an editable wiki interface, and of course CVS access. Currently the wiki is not stored in XML and it will need to be converted. I would like to help with the conversion of the documentation in the wiki to XML. I guess the best place to start for now is the following: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2006-November/msg00140.html I would appreciate guidance and instruction on how to be most useful to the project. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This time might work for that: Tue 2100 UTC +3 to Tue 0000 UTC +3 Tue 1800 UTC to Tue 2100 UTC Tue 1300 EST to Tue 1600 EST Tue 1000 PST to Tue 1300 PST That way, people who are working during those hours but who can touch IRC, can drop in and out to interact. For tomorrow's meeting, if we cannot decide by tomorrow mid-day UTC, we'll have to (one time) use the time that catches the greatest number of people right now, which is 0300 UTC. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is a window > of time that the log and agenda are open and flexible. When there is a > quorum involved in a topic, it is discussed. Log files are mined for > minutes. This time might work for that: > > Tue 2100 UTC +3 to Tue 0000 UTC +3 > Tue 1800 UTC to Tue 2100 UTC > Tue 1300 EST to Tue 1600 EST > Tue 1000 PST to Tue 1300 PST > > That way, people who are working during those hours but who can touch > IRC, can drop in and out to interact. > > For tomorrow's meeting, if we cannot decide by tomorrow mid-day UTC, > we'll have to (one time) use the time that catches the greatest number > of people right now, which is 0300 UTC. > > - Karsten > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Content and translations get at least one test release for community vetting All sweetness. ;-) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How about 17 or 18 UTC? http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2007&month=2&day=13&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=263&p3=166 -d > Another crazy idea is the "three hour open meeting". This is a window > of time that the log and agenda are open and flexible. When there is a > quorum involved in a topic, it is discussed. Log files are mined for > minutes. This time might work for that: > > Tue 2100 UTC +3 to Tue 0000 UTC +3 > Tue 1800 UTC to Tue 2100 UTC > Tue 1300 EST to Tue 1600 EST > Tue 1000 PST to Tue 1300 PST > > That way, people who are working during those hours but who can touch > IRC, can drop in and out to interact. > > For tomorrow's meeting, if we cannot decide by tomorrow mid-day UTC, > we'll have to (one time) use the time that catches the greatest number > of people right now, which is 0300 UTC. > > - Karsten > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From Andy.Grimm at ingres.com Mon Feb 12 21:12:50 2007 From: Andy.Grimm at ingres.com (Andy Grimm) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:12:50 -0500 Subject: another self-introduction Message-ID: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> I will follow in the trend of self-introductions: My name is Andy Grimm. I live in San Francisco and work for Ingres Corporation in Redwood City. I have been a RH/FC user since 1997, and spent 5 years as a sysadmin at LexisNexis working primarily on Solaris-to-Red Hat migrations and new RHEL deployments. I also helped to deploy about 100 Red Hat / Fedora desktops & laptops there. Up until last year, my "programming" experience was mostly perl and C, and nothing particularly fancy. Now i spend more time with python and java, though it's mostly fixing other people's code rather than creating anything of my own from scratch. I have a good bit of experience mucking with HTML and CSS (mostly from 5 to 10 years ago), and I even wrote some documentation in DocBook format at my last job, and convinced some of my coworkers to do the same. I am hoping to make some valuable contributions to the Fedora docs, and I also hope to gain knowledge from this group that I can use to make the Ingres documentation process better and more open. 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When there is a > quorum involved in a topic, it is discussed. Log files are mined for > minutes. This time might work for that: > > Tue 2100 UTC +3 to Tue 0000 UTC +3 > Tue 1800 UTC to Tue 2100 UTC > Tue 1300 EST to Tue 1600 EST > Tue 1000 PST to Tue 1300 PST > > That way, people who are working during those hours but who can touch > IRC, can drop in and out to interact. > Personal favorite and probably the most useful one. We'll just have to prepare the meetings more on-list, to make it clear for everyone (possibly add quorum-sensitive header for a topic or the like) Bart -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF0NxxrbZrKtk/D5MRAkryAJ9LksXsMryFsB6ZpuTkhV4Bg14oBwCZAQdz tgj/GxOXzVJukpo/11NhVgU= =6e6t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 13 02:57:30 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:57:30 -0800 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1171335451.3265.196.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 15:20 -0500, Griff 5watt wrote: > Hi all: > > My name is Aaron Bowman. Hi Aaron, welcome, and thanks for making the trip from Connecticut to the FUDCon; sounds like it was worth it? > > I am located in Connecticut, USA, and work as the technology manager > for a small group of medical practices. > > I have been using Linux at home for a number of years, and have > decided that it was time that I find a way to give back to the > community. I originally started with downloaded floppies of Debian > and Slackware, eventually settling on Red Hat 5.0. Around RH7 I began > trying out other distributions again, but returned to Red Hat each > time. In short, I have used every major release of Red Hat and Fedora > since RH 5.0, and just recently moved up to FC6 (yeah, finally got > wireless to work). > > I am not a power user, nor am I a programmer. I have done very small > projects in VB and C++ on Win32; I have worked in PHP, HTML, and SQL > in Linux. I have played with Java, Mono (C#), JavaScript, SGML, XML, > COBOL, Perl, and LaTeX. Alas, I have only played, but would like to > do more. Sounds great, we can definitely use more technologists with the desire to hack. There really is no limit to the coolness we can cook up. I see you haven't done Python, yet ... now is probably a good time. Paul had a good link for an online book, and the URL or details escape me ... > Earlier this month I had the opportunity to go to FUDCon in Boston; I > attended Paul's session on Doc Tools. If I understood the discussion > correctly, the goal is for all documentation to be stored in XML, with > a static web interface, an editable wiki interface, and of course CVS > access. Currently the wiki is not stored in XML and it will need to > be converted. I would like to help with the conversion of the > documentation in the wiki to XML. > > I guess the best place to start for now is the following: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2006-November/msg00140.html Right now our efforts on getting Wiki to XML is focused on Python code written for the Moin Moin Wiki as part of last year's Google Summer of Code. A recent post on this subject requesting coding and package maintenance was here: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00014.html What is best for you to do? It depends on your interest ... If you are interested in working on the toolchain, I suggest you first get a good handle on what we are doing. You can see everything explicitly in the 'docs-common' and 'example-tutorial' modules: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsUsage#Anonymous-CVS (You can also pursue getting write access to the CVS, in parallel.) If you are interested in generating content, there are specific guides that need finishing or updating for Fedora 7. In this case, you would want to pick one or more amongst new end-user, administrator, or power-user guides. (sending now :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 03:01:13 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:01:13 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <1171335451.3265.196.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171335451.3265.196.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1171335673.14982.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 18:57 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 15:20 -0500, Griff 5watt wrote: > > I am not a power user, nor am I a programmer. I have done very small > > projects in VB and C++ on Win32; I have worked in PHP, HTML, and SQL > > in Linux. I have played with Java, Mono (C#), JavaScript, SGML, XML, > > COBOL, Perl, and LaTeX. Alas, I have only played, but would like to > > do more. > > Sounds great, we can definitely use more technologists with the desire > to hack. There really is no limit to the coolness we can cook up. I > see you haven't done Python, yet ... now is probably a good time. > > Paul had a good link for an online book, and the URL or details escape > me ... Best Python book ever: http://diveintopython.org/ -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From chandrashekhar.tewary at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 05:28:51 2007 From: chandrashekhar.tewary at gmail.com (Chandra Shekhar Tewary) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:58:51 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <16287ee40702122128jd244f8vb77df2f54ea22bcb@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Myself Chandra Shekhar Tewary having 2.5+ years of experience in IT field. I am from India and presently working in an IT MNC . During this period, I have wroked extensively in Unix environment ( Red Hat Linux) as a shell script programmer,too apart from ETL tool ab Initio. I have a very good exposure of programming w.r.t shell scripting, awk,sed and perl . I have also a good understanding of Datastructure, C and C++ as I did a number of projects in C/C++ in my final year of graduation . I am very much ok in HTML & XML and have also worked in web server / J2EE . Being an IT graduate, I have understanding of OS kernel concepts and Compiler . I am really interested in making my contribution to Fedora Project as a OS developer /Programmer/any thing which Fedora group will make sense here . I can also contribute to bug fixing, documentation of latest releases and translation part . My mothertongue is Hindi so, I can contribute their also . Please please do let me know if I could be of any help in Fedora Project and also let me know how to get the track to provide my best to thsi project . 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John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 13 09:48:33 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 01:48:33 -0800 Subject: another self-introduction In-Reply-To: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171360113.3265.216.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 16:12 -0500, Andy Grimm wrote: > I will follow in the trend of self-introductions: Not just trendy, but it's the thing to do to get "in" with the "in crowd". Andy, welcome. You rock for making the trek for FUDCon Boston this year; I hope the experience was rewarding for you. It was good to hang out/conference/hackfest with you. Welcome to FDP. > Up until last year, my "programming" experience was mostly perl and C, > and nothing particularly fancy. Now i spend more time with python and > java, though it's mostly fixing other people's code rather than creating > anything of my own from scratch. Aside from writing cool documents, are you interested in doing some programming-related work for this project? All Python: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00014.html I keep asking around because one option is to put together a small team from this project, with varying degrees of Python and packaging experience, to make this happen. There is already someone maintaining the Moin Moin package for Fedora, so we just need to get the upstream integration work completed. > I have a good bit of experience mucking with HTML and CSS (mostly from 5 > to 10 years ago), and I even wrote some documentation in DocBook format > at my last job, and convinced some of my coworkers to do the same. There is a strong crossover of resources (people, skills) between FDP and the Fedora Websites team; you'll have a chance to exercise both those skills, if you wish to. > I am hoping to make some valuable contributions to the Fedora docs, and > I also hope to gain knowledge from this group that I can use to make the > Ingres documentation process better and more open. One of our specific goals is to make a toolchain that can be adopted easily by others. Our having an end-to-end, 100% FLOSS solution (editor-of-choice through to automatic build outputs of all formats) is a clear goal that is this close: > < Squint a bit and you can see the lines connect together. Other than that, do you want to look around yourself and find your way? Or do you want some direction to follow, one that is based on your interests? > I have started lurking on #fedora-docs occasionally, under the nick > "mull". 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John, thanks for asking yes first option does work for me and probably most of members lived in Australia. noriko JA translator, Fedora Translation Project > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 12:46:39 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 07:46:39 -0500 Subject: new times for FDSCo meetings In-Reply-To: <1171313044.3265.167.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171313044.3265.167.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1171370799.17964.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:44 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > Tue 2100 UTC +3 to Tue 0000 UTC +3 > Tue 1800 UTC to Tue 2100 UTC > Tue 1300 EST to Tue 1600 EST > Tue 1000 PST to Tue 1300 PST > > That way, people who are working during those hours but who can touch > IRC, can drop in and out to interact. Well, that's slightly less suck than a single hour during the workday for me -- three hours during the workday! Hopefully at some point I can drop by and say something, but it's not hard to project I won't be there for most/all of these meetings. Fortunately, my irssi can keep on chuggin' and I'll raise issues as needed there or on the list. Voting on motions might become problematic, but I suspect we can overcome that hurdle; prior discussion may make it a moot point. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We're going to focus on resolving election issues. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 18:25:17 2007 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: Self Intro: Jason Taylor Message-ID: <45D2028D.8090903@gmail.com> Well, you all have already read the subject no doubt so you know my name... :) I live near Detroit, MI, USA (EST). I have been using RH for some time now and since I am not a programmer figured helping write documentation would be a good way for me to help out. I don't have any prior experience so will probably need some direction as to how to get started.. I am open to writing/editing about any aspect of FC, although I have more experience with FC in the server configuration/usage scenario (professional experience as a network admin). I would be more than happy to edit current docs for technical accuracy/typos/grammatical type errors. That all being said, I look forward to helping and hopefully won't prove to be a burden as I learn the ropes... -Jason -------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/DC0E0D37 2007-02-13 [expires: 2008-02-13] Key fingerprint = 94E8 D6CE 2EED 19AD 3F7E 021E B022 2C5E DC0E 0D37 uid Jason Taylor sub 2048g/058F173C 2007-02-13 [expires: 2008-02-13] -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Tue Feb 13 18:25:29 2007 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:25:29 -0500 Subject: Self Intro: Jason Taylor Message-ID: <45D20299.8080707@gmail.com> Well, you all have already read the subject no doubt so you know my name... :) I live near Detroit, MI, USA (EST). I have been using RH for some time now and since I am not a programmer figured helping write documentation would be a good way for me to help out. I don't have any prior experience so will probably need some direction as to how to get started.. I am open to writing/editing about any aspect of FC, although I have more experience with FC in the server configuration/usage scenario (professional experience as a network admin). I would be more than happy to edit current docs for technical accuracy/typos/grammatical type errors. That all being said, I look forward to helping and hopefully won't prove to be a burden as I learn the ropes... -Jason -------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/DC0E0D37 2007-02-13 [expires: 2008-02-13] Key fingerprint = 94E8 D6CE 2EED 19AD 3F7E 021E B022 2C5E DC0E 0D37 uid Jason Taylor sub 2048g/058F173C 2007-02-13 [expires: 2008-02-13] -------------------------------------------------------------------- From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 14 09:32:30 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:32:30 -0800 Subject: elections update, voting open 16 Feb. Message-ID: <1171445550.3265.291.camel@erato.phig.org> We got very sidetracked around FUDCon, and ended up postponing the elections by a few weeks. Voting opens Friday 16 February at 23:59 UTC. It continues through Monday 26 February at 23:59 UTC. All seven FDSCo seats are open. 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There is one major project we are looking for 1+ resources to help: * Python code in the Wiki: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00014.html It would be best if we could support this as a team, vs. an individual maintainer. There are other cross-stream projects interested in this, such as Ubuntu, so we want to think of this project in terms of the entire FLOSS community. If you are interested, let's discuss the details on this list. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have > > been coding in Python only last eight months ( not a long time, but > > hope it meets your expectations ) . > > Excellent! I think you'll enjoy this project. It's a chance to > practice all your skills and interests. There is one major project we > are looking for 1+ resources to help: > > * Python code in the Wiki: > > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00014.html > > It would be best if we could support this as a team, vs. an individual > maintainer. There are other cross-stream projects interested in this, > such as Ubuntu, so we want to think of this project in terms of the > entire FLOSS community. > > If you are interested, let's discuss the details on this list. > > thx - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- Gayathri Swaminathan gpgkey: 3EFB3D39 Volunteer, FDP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Thu Feb 15 07:15:57 2007 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:15:57 -0000 (UTC) Subject: new times for FDSCo meetings In-Reply-To: <1171386702.3265.242.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171313044.3265.167.camel@erato.phig.org> <1171386702.3265.242.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <53534.192.168.100.90.1171523757.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 12:44 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: >> For tomorrow's meeting, if we cannot decide by tomorrow mid-day UTC, >> we'll have to (one time) use the time that catches the greatest number >> of people right now, which is 0300 UTC. > > Since we do not have a good solution, I'm going to roll with the 0300 > UTC time for tonight/tomorrow. This catches the folks currently active. Fair enough. > > We're going to focus on resolving election issues. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 16 05:13:23 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:43:23 +0530 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45D53D73.9050709@fedoraproject.org> Gayathri Swaminathan wrote: > Dear FDP members: > > Firstly, thanks for this great opportunity to be a part of this > community. I have been a Redhat linux user since 2002. I write this > email now to quickly introduce myself and provide some background > information. > > My full legal name is Gayathri Swaminathan. I originally hail from > Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India, but currently live in the US at Norman, > Oklahoma. I hold a MS in CS and have worked in the IT industry around > six years ( as a systems/network administrator, programmer ) > > At Norman, I work for the University of Oklahoma as a System Analyst at > the Information technology deparment, College of Continuing Education. > Professionally use Redhat ( as most of our services are deployed in this > platform), but personally use Fedora to stay abreast with the bleeding > edge features/ functions. This also gives me the opportunity to test > feature sets, before the mass deployment in production. My programming > tasks include coding in Perl, Python, Bash scripting and using > Postgresql, Mysql. > > My goal is to share my gotchas while installing latest features/ > packages to the rest of the community and particularly help with the > translation to Tamil ( my mother tongue). Since Tamil Nadu state > government went open source recently, I feel there is a pressing need > for documentation, community support to improve the average user > experience. I am also willing to contribute in terms of systems > adminstration and programming tasks. > > While I wrote fairly a lot during my Masters, I would appreciate a > secondary review to my writing :) > Vanakkam. Would you be interested in L10N work? We have a full time translator Felix (CC'ed) in my office but I would be interested in having a stronger L10N community involved. If not that, documentations and more streamlined tools would also help. Rahul From lxtnow at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 05:37:50 2007 From: lxtnow at gmail.com (SmootherFrOgZ) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 01:37:50 -0400 Subject: Desktop-file-install options Message-ID: <62bc09df0702152137x4ad25a3dwf0c10a50cbfd40cb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, As manyone knows, the option "--vendor"'s not require to be set anymore to "--vendor fedora". If everyone agree with this, i'll modify the packaging guidelines to mentione this change. I'm waitting your reply if there's more things to know about that. -- Xavier.t Lamien -- French Fedora Ambassador GPG-Key ID: F3903DEB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:19:34 -0500 Subject: Desktop-file-install options In-Reply-To: <62bc09df0702152137x4ad25a3dwf0c10a50cbfd40cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <62bc09df0702152137x4ad25a3dwf0c10a50cbfd40cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171631974.3726.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 01:37 -0400, SmootherFrOgZ wrote: > Hi, > > As manyone knows, the option "--vendor"'s not require to be set > anymore to "--vendor fedora". > If everyone agree with this, i'll modify the packaging guidelines to > mentione this change. > > I'm waitting your reply if there's more things to know about that. Hi Xavier, You should probably take this up on fedora-maintainers-list. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From gayathri.swa at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 15:49:45 2007 From: gayathri.swa at gmail.com (Gayathri Swaminathan) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:49:45 -0600 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: <45D53D73.9050709@fedoraproject.org> References: <45D53D73.9050709@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: Hey Rahul: Vannakkam :) Agree on the L10N involvement. I think it is necessary to get that geared up as well. Let me know if there are outstanding things you/Felix need reviewed/ translated/ worked on... Signed up at fedora-trans-ta and also hang out often at #fedora-docs as 'ajaaya' Gayathri On 2/15/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > Vanakkam. Would you be interested in L10N work? We have a full time > translator Felix (CC'ed) in my office but I would be interested in > having a stronger L10N community involved. If not that, documentations > and more streamlined tools would also help. > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Gayathri Swaminathan gpgkey: 3EFB3D39 Volunteer, FDP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 16 16:14:06 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:14:06 -0500 Subject: install-guide merge with POT (Jan30) In-Reply-To: <45D57F4E.4090405@redhat.com> References: <45D57F4E.4090405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1171642446.3726.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 15:24 +0530, A S Alam wrote: > hi team > install-guide's po files are merged with latest POT file, > if anybody face problem/conflict please let us know > --- > install-guide > -- > ---------- > "POT-Creation-Date: 2007-01-30 11:12-0500\n" > ---------- Also, there's apparently a working "sr" translation, but we don't have any of our common files translated for sr. If anyone is interested in doing this, please contact us on fedora-docs-list and we'll get them appropriate CVS access. Thanks Aman and everyone! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca Fri Feb 16 16:37:57 2007 From: grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca (Igor Miletic) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:37:57 -0500 Subject: install-guide merge with POT (Jan30) In-Reply-To: <1171642446.3726.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45D57F4E.4090405@redhat.com> <1171642446.3726.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171643877.19609.221.camel@miletic> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 11:14 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 15:24 +0530, A S Alam wrote: > > hi team > > install-guide's po files are merged with latest POT file, > > if anybody face problem/conflict please let us know > > --- > > install-guide > > -- > > ---------- > > "POT-Creation-Date: 2007-01-30 11:12-0500\n" > > ---------- > > Also, there's apparently a working "sr" translation, but we don't have > any of our common files translated for sr. If anyone is interested in > doing this, please contact us on fedora-docs-list and we'll get them > appropriate CVS access. > Hi Paul, I have CVS access, and Serbian team is working on translation of common files. We are almost there. About CVS check-in. Is it OK if I modify make files to include sr ? Regards, Igor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Historical qualifications What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? -Not any projects within the Fedora Project. I've contributed some code to the Nagios project (http://www.nagios.org). I'm a representative for my company in Calibration, an european industrial OSS network (comes from EU FP6 project Calibre, http://www.calibre.ie). I'm also a co-founder of one of Swedens first industrial OSS networks, called NOSA (Network for Open Source Activity). That and company internal OSS projects. What level and type of computer skills do you have? -I guess I'm a Linux power user. I don't code that much. I took a RHCT 2006 and are aiming at getting my RHCE soon (tm). What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc. -General people skills, a bit of a motivator perhaps. What makes you an excellent match for the project? -I'm motivated to contribute. My motivation here is to make it easier for others to adapt to Fedora Core. It's also about breaking the evil circle and being a part of something big. GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/6817411F 2007-02-16 Key fingerprint = 970D 5AB9 B029 E357 0A9F 432F B423 E60B 6817 411F uid Magnus Glantz (Public home) sub 4096g/D1AFB6BD 2007-02-16 From splinux at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 16 22:40:16 2007 From: splinux at fedoraproject.org (Damien Durand) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:40:16 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Magnus Glantz In-Reply-To: <1171660991.3385.37.camel@blaa> References: <1171660991.3385.37.camel@blaa> Message-ID: Welcome on board ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To vote, > refer to this URL: > > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi This link doesn't work for me, 404s. > > You are allowed to cast UP TO 7 votes for your preferred candidates. > You do not have to cast all 7, but you may not cast more than 7 votes. > No revision of votes is allowed, so please check your selections before > you commit your ballot. > > The current FDSCo thanks all Docs Project members for their efforts, > consideration, and participation! Results will be announced shortly > after voting closes, and no later than 28 February 2007. > > = = = = = > ?? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board > Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From dimitris at glezos.com Sat Feb 17 01:08:47 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:08:47 +0000 Subject: FDSCo Elections open In-Reply-To: <58391.192.168.100.90.1171666316.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <1171657770.3726.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <58391.192.168.100.90.1171666316.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <45D6559F.8030703@glezos.com> O/H Gavin Henry ??????: > >> The elections for Fedora Documentation Steering Committee?? (FDSCo) are >> open now and until 23:59 UTC, 26 February 2007. Voting is open to all >> members of the cvsdocs group in the Fedora Account System. To vote, >> refer to this URL: >> >> http://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi > > This link doesn't work for me, 404s. Thanks to mmcgrath (aka 'The Octopus'), this was fixed in no time. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 00:14:01 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:14:01 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Elections open In-Reply-To: <58391.192.168.100.90.1171666316.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <1171657770.3726.58.camel@localhost.localdomain> <58391.192.168.100.90.1171666316.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <1171671241.15333.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-16 at 22:51 +0000, Gavin Henry wrote: > > > The elections for Fedora Documentation Steering Committee?? (FDSCo) are > > open now and until 23:59 UTC, 26 February 2007. Voting is open to all > > members of the cvsdocs group in the Fedora Account System. To vote, > > refer to this URL: > > > > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi > > This link doesn't work for me, 404s. Toshio tells me this should be: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/ Please use the new URL, with my apologies. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 01:01:49 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:01:49 -0500 Subject: Docs schedule updated Message-ID: <1171674109.15333.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've updated the Docs release schedule in a way I hope is appropriate, given Jesse's recent announcement for the F7 release schedule: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule Note that a full set of Release Notes will not be released until test3 now, as opposed to test2. (Both test2 and test3 will continue the "one-sheet" summary used in test1, but with somewhat expanded content each iteration.) However, it is *VERY* important that developers and other contributors remain proactive in populating Release Notes content. That practice allows us to work effectively with the L10N team to provide translations. Please direct replies and discussion to fedora-docs-list (reply-to set FWIW). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 08:31:08 -0500 Subject: Cannot vote In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702170420t1862b8tf6ef522d445a11@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702170420t1862b8tf6ef522d445a11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171719068.28853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 15:20 +0300, John Babich wrote: > FDP Team: > > I went into the voting system and got this message: > > You are not a member of one of the groups eligible to vote in > this election. If you think you should be, please contact someone > ASAP. I show that you aren't a member of the cvsdocs group, which is the eligibility requirement listed on the Elections page. Log into the Fedora Account System, request that membership, and I'll get you approved, after which you can vote. No one would deny voting privileges to someone who's been actively contributing, as you clearly have. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 13:48:39 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:48:39 +0300 Subject: Cannot vote In-Reply-To: <1171719068.28853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9d2c731f0702170420t1862b8tf6ef522d445a11@mail.gmail.com> <1171719068.28853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702170548kef26f66r971be79d0a2bb25@mail.gmail.com> On 2/17/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I show that you aren't a member of the cvsdocs group, which is the > eligibility requirement listed on the Elections page. Log into the > Fedora Account System, request that membership, and I'll get you > approved, after which you can vote. No one would deny voting privileges > to someone who's been actively contributing, as you clearly have. :-) Thanks, Paul. I requested membership in the cvsdocs group via https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 17 14:30:58 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:30:58 -0500 Subject: Cannot vote In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702170548kef26f66r971be79d0a2bb25@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702170420t1862b8tf6ef522d445a11@mail.gmail.com> <1171719068.28853.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0702170548kef26f66r971be79d0a2bb25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171722658.28853.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 16:48 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On 2/17/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I show that you aren't a member of the cvsdocs group, which is the > > eligibility requirement listed on the Elections page. Log into the > > Fedora Account System, request that membership, and I'll get you > > approved, after which you can vote. No one would deny voting privileges > > to someone who's been actively contributing, as you clearly have. :-) > > Thanks, Paul. > > I requested membership in the cvsdocs group via > https://admin.fedora.redhat.com/accounts/userbox.cgi. You're approved and should now be able to vote. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 08:38:42 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:38:42 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702180038g13a38886me093f1da39a0b459@mail.gmail.com> > Hi all: > > My name is Aaron Bowman. > > Earlier this month I had the opportunity to go to FUDCon in Boston; I > attended Paul's session on Doc Tools. If I understood the discussion > correctly, the goal is for all documentation to be stored in XML, with a > static web interface, an editable wiki interface, and of course CVS access. > Currently the wiki is not stored in XML and it will need to be converted. I > would like to help with the conversion of the documentation in the wiki to > XML. Welcome to Fedora Docs Project. I'm sure Paul gave you an excellent orientation. Here is something I've been working on which I hope will be of value to you: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas This is a work-in-progress and I appreciate any comments or corrections. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 08:46:43 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:46:43 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Magnus Glantz In-Reply-To: <1171660991.3385.37.camel@blaa> References: <1171660991.3385.37.camel@blaa> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702180046k11d13c73pf568f004b0886beb@mail.gmail.com> Magnus: Welcome to Fedora Docs Project! CALIBRE and Calibration sound very interesting. It sounds like you have an interesting perspective to bring to the project. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 08:53:17 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:53:17 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <16287ee40702122128jd244f8vb77df2f54ea22bcb@mail.gmail.com> References: <16287ee40702122128jd244f8vb77df2f54ea22bcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702180053m41f9b984w30c1f6ba332e8390@mail.gmail.com> On 2/13/07, Chandra Shekhar Tewary wrote: > Hi All, > > Myself Chandra Shekhar Tewary having 2.5+ years of experience in IT field. I > am from India and presently working in an IT MNC . During this period, I > have wroked extensively in Unix environment ( Red Hat Linux) as a shell > script programmer,too apart from ETL tool ab Initio. I have a very good > exposure of programming w.r.t shell scripting, awk,sed and perl . I have > also a good understanding of Datastructure, C and C++ as I did a number of > projects in C/C++ in my final year of graduation . I am very much ok in HTML > & XML and have also worked in web server / J2EE . Being an IT graduate, I > have understanding of OS kernel concepts and Compiler . I am really > interested in making my contribution to Fedora Project as a OS developer > /Programmer/any thing which Fedora group will make sense here . I can also > contribute to bug fixing, documentation of latest releases and translation > part . My mothertongue is Hindi so, I can contribute their also . > > Sorry for the delay in responding - welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! I'm assuming you are in the process of completing all the steps required to edit the wiki and access CVS. Also, the Fedora Translation Project is always looking for people to take part in localization (l10n) and internationalization (i18n). > Please please do let me know if I could be of any help in Fedora Project and > also let me know how to get the track to provide my best to thsi project . > Automating the documentation generation process is an area where you may want to contribute your programming skills. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 08:57:45 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:57:45 +0300 Subject: another self-introduction In-Reply-To: <1171360113.3265.216.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171360113.3265.216.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702180057m70d15682td4ae67ea2234d6e9@mail.gmail.com> Andy: Sorry for the delay in welcoming you to the Fedora Docs Project. Karsten pretty much said what I was going to say, and probably better. Now I know who lurks behind the handle "mull". John "jmbuser" Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From josep.puigdemont at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 10:49:08 2007 From: josep.puigdemont at gmail.com (Josep Puigdemont) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:49:08 +0100 Subject: Translation project Message-ID: <1171795748.18130.11.camel@deimos> Hi, I've been contributing to Fedora Project for quite a long time now, as a translator. Recently I've been wondering if, at some point, the Fedora Translation Project has been merged with the Documentation Project. I'm asking because I want to know if I should request to be added to the cvsdocs group or not, and if I am actually elligable to be in it. Also if I should send another introduction (I already did back in... uh 2003 I think ;-) Thanks! /Josep -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Fedora Translation (L10N) and Documentation projects have *not* been merged. But we are trying to work more closely with them. That's a longer discussion than you need in this thread, though! :-) Translators are *definitely* eligible for cvsdocs membership. As for a self-introduction, I only found this: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2003-November/msg00156.html I heard Karsten making some insightful noise the other day about our lackluster model for CVS sponsorship. We haven't really seen any benefits from the idea, and it may be time to reconsider. That may not really affect you, Josep, other than that you will want to go ahead and do a "genuine" self-introduction? (just to fulfill the project requirements), and then we can get you access. If you're comfortable with CVS, you will have no problem at all translating directly from our files. You will probably want to be subscribed to the "fedora-docs-commits" mailing list so that you know when guides you care about are updated. = = = ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 15:41:25 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:41:25 -0500 Subject: another self-introduction In-Reply-To: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171813285.4101.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 16:12 -0500, Andy Grimm wrote: > I will follow in the trend of self-introductions: > > My name is Andy Grimm. I live in San Francisco and work for Ingres > Corporation in Redwood City. I have been a RH/FC user since 1997, and > spent 5 years as a sysadmin at LexisNexis working primarily on > Solaris-to-Red Hat migrations and new RHEL deployments. I also helped > to deploy about 100 Red Hat / Fedora desktops & laptops there. > > Up until last year, my "programming" experience was mostly perl and C, > and nothing particularly fancy. Now i spend more time with python and > java, though it's mostly fixing other people's code rather than creating > anything of my own from scratch. > > I have a good bit of experience mucking with HTML and CSS (mostly from 5 > to 10 years ago), and I even wrote some documentation in DocBook format > at my last job, and convinced some of my coworkers to do the same. > > I am hoping to make some valuable contributions to the Fedora docs, and > I also hope to gain knowledge from this group that I can use to make the > Ingres documentation process better and more open. > > I have started lurking on #fedora-docs occasionally, under the nick > "mull". Andy, it was good meeting you at the FUDCon! I had an idea for something to which you would be well-suited to contribute -- the Documentation Guide. Karsten and I have been really trying to get this thing in better shape for a new, spiffy release that really informs users how to get involved with our CVS/DocBook XML repository. I'm betting that you have some CVS experience (but if not, you don't need to know much to help here). We really need some fresh eyes on the Documentation Guide, if for no other purpose than to show us where we're missing chunks both big and small. If you check out the current Documentation Guide, you could read through it and start telling us where it needs work. A great way to do that is to file bugs in Bugzilla, since that helps us track our work easily, and we can check off items as we finish them by closing the bug reports. Are you interested in helping in this way? I will be around on IRC today and tomorrow and could give you pointers if and when you need any, as could many other contributors. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From josep.puigdemont at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 17:03:01 2007 From: josep.puigdemont at gmail.com (Josep Puigdemont) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:03:01 +0100 Subject: Translation project In-Reply-To: <1171812866.4101.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171795748.18130.11.camel@deimos> <1171812866.4101.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171818181.18130.41.camel@deimos> Hi, thanks for the answer: El dg 18 de 02 del 2007 a les 10:34 -0500, en/na Paul W. Frields va escriure: > On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 11:49 +0100, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I've been contributing to Fedora Project for quite a long time now, as a > > translator. Recently I've been wondering if, at some point, the Fedora > > Translation Project has been merged with the Documentation Project. > > I'm asking because I want to know if I should request to be added to the > > cvsdocs group or not, and if I am actually elligable to be in it. Also > > if I should send another introduction (I already did back in... uh 2003 > > I think ;-) > > > > Thanks! > > The Fedora Translation (L10N) and Documentation projects have *not* been > merged. But we are trying to work more closely with them. That's a > longer discussion than you need in this thread, though! :-) I was asking because the fedoraproject.org wiki link for "translation" points to the documentation project, but I see now that it refers to "documentation" and "websites". > > Translators are *definitely* eligible for cvsdocs membership. As for a > self-introduction, I only found this: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2003-November/msg00156.html I sent it to the translation mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-trans-list/2003-December/msg00000.html It seems to be the first message to that list too ;-) If I recall it correctly, there was another list called i18n before, but we switched to this one at some point. Anyway, I'll send a better self introduction, because that one doesn't have most of the required bits. > > I heard Karsten making some insightful noise the other day about our > lackluster model for CVS sponsorship. We haven't really seen any > benefits from the idea, and it may be time to reconsider. > > That may not really affect you, Josep, other than that you will want to > go ahead and do a "genuine" self-introduction? (just to fulfill the > project requirements), and then we can get you access. If you're > comfortable with CVS, you will have no problem at all translating > directly from our files. You will probably want to be subscribed to the > "fedora-docs-commits" mailing list so that you know when guides you care > about are updated. I already have a CVS account for sending translations (I presume it won't be the same?), and also an account in the account system. > > = = = > ? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction > Thanks a lot, I'll send a self introduction shortly. /josep -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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With the first one you can submit translations and with the second, you are given access in different areas (eg. `cvsdocs`). -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From kwade at redhat.com Sun Feb 18 17:45:18 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:45:18 -0800 Subject: Self introduction: Gayathri Swaminathan In-Reply-To: <003b01c74ec9$8faa8aa0$0a01a8c0@MP110> References: <9d2c731f0702112118o4a6d6279h5c740d10022a2d83@mail.gmail.com> <003b01c74ec9$8faa8aa0$0a01a8c0@MP110> Message-ID: <1171820718.21210.61.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 18:16 +0100, John Sterken wrote: > > I hope i can make a nice contribution for this Project. One very important role that all list members have is to peer review work. Then we are all involved in setting and enforcing style guidelines. We get the collective group to make sure the documents are right for the role. It would be great if more people chose to watch the commits via the Wiki. Here are some instructions on two ways to get that commits feed: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Watch-Your-Pages That's a great way for individuals to help the community, with a very, very small time commitment. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The fact is, the biggest growth in FLOSS projects *has* to start coming from non-coders. In short, we have too many coders working on too many apps that will never make sense or be used because the UI sucks, there is no good documentation, it is untranslated, etc. One thing I am very proud about in this project is the way we have been both a gateway for people to get involved in more than just documentation, but have also kept those people active in the project. > I am open to writing/editing about any aspect of FC, although I have > more experience with FC in the server configuration/usage scenario > (professional experience as a network admin). I would be more than happy > to edit current docs for technical accuracy/typos/grammatical type errors. > > That all being said, I look forward to helping and hopefully won't prove > to be a burden as I learn the ropes... In case you haven't found it, the page you need to work through is here; http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join OK, it is really a redirect to DocsProject/NewWriters, but I'm trying to promote that (common) how-to-join URL structure. :) If you'd like to look around further to find what you are interested in, go ahead. We're here and on #fedora-docs to answer questions, brainstorm, etc. One guide that was nearly completed for FC6 that we want for F7 sounds like it is up your alley: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide We can conceivably finish this for FC6 and get it published, then immediately start work on the F7 version. Interested? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Feb 18 17:53:33 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:53:33 -0500 Subject: Self Intro: Jason Taylor In-Reply-To: <1171820765.21210.64.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45D20299.8080707@gmail.com> <1171820765.21210.64.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1171821213.4101.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 09:46 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > /me sends another email that has been sitting around all week ... > > On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 13:25 -0500, Jason Taylor wrote: > > Well, you all have already read the subject no doubt so you know my > > name... :) I live near Detroit, MI, USA (EST). I have been using RH for > > some time now and since I am not a programmer figured helping write > > documentation would be a good way for me to help out. I don't have any > > prior experience so will probably need some direction as to how to get > > started.. > > You have stumbled into a good place to get involved. The fact is, the > biggest growth in FLOSS projects *has* to start coming from non-coders. > In short, we have too many coders working on too many apps that will > never make sense or be used because the UI sucks, there is no good > documentation, it is untranslated, etc. Oooo, Karsten comes out swinging! Yeah baby, +1! "Don't get mad, get involved," is the message. > One thing I am very proud about in this project is the way we have been > both a gateway for people to get involved in more than just > documentation, but have also kept those people active in the project. No matter whom you marry, you never forget your first love. ;-) /me stops injecting unwanted quips into otherwise serious conversation and goes back to work. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bugzilla at redhat.com Sun Feb 18 21:06:20 2007 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:06:20 -0500 Subject: [Bug 229153] docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200702182106.l1IL6K5s005961@bugzilla.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229153 stickster at gmail.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |fedora-docs-list at redhat.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. From eddieelizondo at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 19 00:25:25 2007 From: eddieelizondo at sbcglobal.net (Eddie Elizondo) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:25:25 -0600 Subject: Release Notes Editing Message-ID: <45D8EE75.5070402@sbcglobal.net> To contribute and edit release notes for FC7, would I just edit the pages directly from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats or is there another process? Thanks, Eddie gpg --fingerprint eddieelizondo at sbcglobal.net pub 1024D/22A483A6 2007-01-16 [expires: 2008-01-16] Key fingerprint = 8B5E E6D8 CFB2 0244 EA6A A845 F17B A0A7 22A4 83A6 sub 2048g/EA103DE8 2007-01-16 [expires: 2008-01-16] From bugzilla at redhat.com Mon Feb 19 00:36:13 2007 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Bug 229153] docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200702190036.l1J0aDjl010606@bugzilla.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229153 raven at pmail.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |raven at pmail.pl -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 00:41:17 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:41:17 -0500 Subject: Release Notes Editing In-Reply-To: <45D8EE75.5070402@sbcglobal.net> References: <45D8EE75.5070402@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <1171845677.7026.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 18:25 -0600, Eddie Elizondo wrote: > To contribute and edit release notes for FC7, would I just edit the > pages directly from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > or is there another process? There's a HowTo listed at the top of the page, which is recommended reading for anyone who wants to edit the pages. I believe all is explained there, but if you find something amiss, please let us know since we want it to make sense for everyone who wants to help. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eddieelizondo at sbcglobal.net Mon Feb 19 01:17:15 2007 From: eddieelizondo at sbcglobal.net (Eddie Elizondo) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:17:15 -0600 Subject: Release Notes Editing In-Reply-To: <1171845677.7026.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45D8EE75.5070402@sbcglobal.net> <1171845677.7026.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45D8FA9B.3090308@sbcglobal.net> I missed that; thanks! Eddie Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 18:25 -0600, Eddie Elizondo wrote: > >> To contribute and edit release notes for FC7, would I just edit the >> pages directly from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats >> or is there another process? >> > > There's a HowTo listed at the top of the page, which is recommended > reading for anyone who wants to edit the pages. I believe all is > explained there, but if you find something amiss, please let us know > since we want it to make sense for everyone who wants to help. > > From bugzilla at redhat.com Mon Feb 19 02:31:46 2007 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:31:46 -0500 Subject: [Bug 229153] docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200702190231.l1J2VkSM013825@bugzilla.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. Summary: docs-common should move to submodule (&docs-common) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=229153 dimitris at glezos.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |dimitris at glezos.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is. From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 07:14:16 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:14:16 +0300 Subject: Possible Solution to DUG Update Dilemma Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702182314t2c4d1859r65ea295464ba29e8@mail.gmail.com> FDP Team: As we discussed in the IRC channel yesterday, we finalized the Fedora Core 6 version of the DUG and want to begin the Fedora 7 DUG editing process on the wiki. The dilemma seems to be how to preserve the FC6 DUG while beginning the draft version edits for Fedora Linux 7. I propose the following solution: At the Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide link (the one referenced by the default home page in FC6), we put a notice prominently at the top of the page like this: "For the Fedora Core 6 Desktop User Guide, please go to this link", which points to Docs/DesktopUserGuide. The *draft* Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide can remain at the current Docs/Drafts location, clearly labeled as the draft version for Fedora 7. People who are interested in the FC6 DUG can click through to the *published* version. Anyone interested in Fedora Linux 7 can follow the *draft* version, which will be clearly advertised as such. Does this solve the dilemma? John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 19 14:10:34 2007 From: grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca (Igor Miletic) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:10:34 -0500 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. Message-ID: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> Hi all, Does anyone know where can I find strings for words Figure, Chapter and Section to translate in Install Guide? They are not in main po file and I was not able to find them in docs-common. Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for translation. Regards, Igor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 14:25:31 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:25:31 -0500 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> Message-ID: <1171895131.20354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know where can I find strings for words Figure, Chapter and > Section to translate in Install Guide? They are not in main po file and > I was not able to find them in docs-common. > > Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks > very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for > translation. Igor, You shouldn't translate those strings, if they occur inside XML tags, like "
" or "". Those are DocBook XML markers and are only used to mark elements of content, and don't appear in the translated versions. If I've completely missed your point, please let me know! As for the PO files for DUG, yes, we will be converting the DUG into DocBook and creating POT for translation. That will happen next week or so, after the wiki is upgraded to provide the "convert to DocBook" starter function. Thanks for asking and we look forward to seeing your good work. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca Mon Feb 19 14:47:22 2007 From: grejigl-gnomeprevod at yahoo.ca (Igor Miletic) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:47:22 -0500 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171895131.20354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> <1171895131.20354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171896443.8407.5.camel@miletic> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:25 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone know where can I find strings for words Figure, Chapter and > > Section to translate in Install Guide? They are not in main po file and > > I was not able to find them in docs-common. > > > > Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks > > very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for > > translation. > > Igor, > > You shouldn't translate those strings, if they occur inside XML tags, > like "
" or "". Those are DocBook XML markers and are > only used to mark elements of content, and don't appear in the > translated versions. If I've completely missed your point, please let > me know! Hi Paul, Thanks for quick reply. I guess I was not clear. I was not asking for xml tags to translate, I was thinking of captions for figures, sections and chapters (i.e. "Figure 7.7. HTTP Setup Dialog" or "Chapter 7. Installation Methods"). While po file for Install Guide contains strings "HTTP Setup Dialog" and "Installation Methods" for translation, I could not find strings "Figure" and "Chapter". Funny part is that I actually translated those strings somewhere, but I made mistake when I did it, and now I can not find it anymore :). Regards, Igor -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 15:08:04 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:08:04 -0500 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171896443.8407.5.camel@miletic> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> <1171895131.20354.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171896443.8407.5.camel@miletic> Message-ID: <1171897684.20354.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:47 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:25 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Does anyone know where can I find strings for words Figure, Chapter and > > > Section to translate in Install Guide? They are not in main po file and > > > I was not able to find them in docs-common. > > > > > > Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks > > > very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for > > > translation. > > > > Igor, > > > > You shouldn't translate those strings, if they occur inside XML tags, > > like "
" or "". Those are DocBook XML markers and are > > only used to mark elements of content, and don't appear in the > > translated versions. If I've completely missed your point, please let > > me know! > > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for quick reply. > I guess I was not clear. I was not asking for xml tags to translate, I > was thinking of captions for figures, sections and chapters (i.e. > "Figure 7.7. HTTP Setup Dialog" or "Chapter 7. Installation Methods"). > > While po file for Install Guide contains strings "HTTP Setup Dialog" and > "Installation Methods" for translation, I could not find strings > "Figure" and "Chapter". Funny part is that I actually translated those > strings somewhere, but I made mistake when I did it, and now I can not > find it anymore :). Ah, I understand now! Those are generated automatically at build time by the DocBook XSLT, and not under our control. If they are missing a translation, you might need to make contact with the DocBook maintainers (http://www.docbook.org is probably a good place to start). Thanks for setting me straight. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 19 16:39:43 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:39:43 -0800 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> Message-ID: <1171903183.21210.140.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks > very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for > translation. Excellent question! And perfectly timed, too. :) Bart Couvreur was discussing this on IRC yesterday; I think he is planning on leading the conversion from Wiki to XML. This is the first step in generating PO for translation. Some of us (Paul, myself) are supporting the conversion, but anyone here who is interested in helping, please do. You can learn first hand about how to convert Wiki to XML, build a book in XML, and support a book that has its canonical source in a Wiki. Fortunately, conversion is relatively easy. It could be done within the next few weeks, if we have sufficient motivation. :) thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 19 16:42:41 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:42:41 -0800 Subject: Possible Solution to DUG Update Dilemma In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702182314t2c4d1859r65ea295464ba29e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702182314t2c4d1859r65ea295464ba29e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171903361.21210.143.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 10:14 +0300, John Babich wrote: > FDP Team: > > As we discussed in the IRC channel yesterday, we finalized the > Fedora Core 6 version of the DUG and want to begin the Fedora > 7 DUG editing process on the wiki. > > The dilemma seems to be how to preserve the FC6 DUG while > beginning the draft version edits for Fedora Linux 7. > > I propose the following solution: > > At the Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide link (the one referenced by the > default home page in FC6), we put a notice prominently at the top of > the page like this: > > "For the Fedora Core 6 Desktop User Guide, please go to this link", > which points to Docs/DesktopUserGuide. > > The *draft* Fedora 7 Desktop User Guide can remain at the current > Docs/Drafts location, clearly labeled as the draft version for Fedora 7. > > People who are interested in the FC6 DUG can click through to the > *published* version. Anyone interested in Fedora Linux 7 can follow > the *draft* version, which will be clearly advertised as such. > > Does this solve the dilemma? +1 What happened was this: we used the Docs/Drafts/ link in the /usr/share/HTML/index.html (homepage). If we had thought it through better, we would have linked directly to Docs/DesktopUserGuide, then have set up a #REDIRECT from that page to the Docs/Drafts. Oh, well. 20/20 hindsight. We can actually update the link in the homepage, and push out a new package. But that doesn't get all the people who install from the original spin ISO. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 17:45:03 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:45:03 +0300 Subject: Possible Solution to DUG Update Dilemma In-Reply-To: <1171903361.21210.143.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <9d2c731f0702182314t2c4d1859r65ea295464ba29e8@mail.gmail.com> <1171903361.21210.143.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702190945n43fd0cb6q87da6cd4b975ff67@mail.gmail.com> On 2/19/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > Does this solve the dilemma? > > +1 > I'll take that as a "yes" to the previous email proposal. > We can actually update the link in the homepage, and push out a new > package. But that doesn't get all the people who install from the > original spin ISO. So we do the following: 1. We post the big message on the OLD page linking to the NEW page. 2. We edit the draft and clearly label it the FL7 draft "work-in-progress". 3. We publish a new homepage with the link to the NEW page. I can do 1 & 2, but someone else will need to do the default homepage update. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 19 17:47:06 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:47:06 -0800 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702180038g13a38886me093f1da39a0b459@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0702180038g13a38886me093f1da39a0b459@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1171907226.21210.162.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 11:38 +0300, John Babich wrote: > Here is something I've been working on which I hope will be of > value to you: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas > > This is a work-in-progress and I appreciate any comments or corrections. BTW, I saw your "hopes spring eternal" commit comment; glad you are still thinking along these lines. I specifically tried to get conversations together around some of these ideas for FUDCon, but we got overcome by events. :) From what I've seen, there is a _lot_ of interest in working cross-stream with other projects on our common upstream needs. For example, there is interest from Ubuntu to collaborate on Moin Moin and DocBook. I had a student contact me about a content project that works directly on multiple upstream content sources; the idea there would be a Wiki front-end, etc. So, keep up the energy, we'll see movement somehow. As we originally thought, driving toward a virtual summit is probably a first great move. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Mon Feb 19 21:18:57 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:18:57 +0000 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171903183.21210.140.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> <1171903183.21210.140.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <45DA1441.9090301@glezos.com> O/H Karsten Wade ??????: > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > >> Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks >> very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for >> translation. > > Excellent question! And perfectly timed, too. :) > > Bart Couvreur was discussing this on IRC yesterday; I think he is > planning on leading the conversion from Wiki to XML. This is the first > step in generating PO for translation. Some of us (Paul, myself) are > supporting the conversion, but anyone here who is interested in helping, > please do. You can learn first hand about how to convert Wiki to XML, > build a book in XML, and support a book that has its canonical source in > a Wiki. I'd like to participate in the conversion. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From griffin5w at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 21:02:07 2007 From: griffin5w at gmail.com (Griff 5watt) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:02:07 -0500 Subject: Docs Project Structure? Message-ID: I just recently got involved in the Docs Project and while getting my head into it all, I had a few thoughts. Please let me know if I am missing something. I read through the information in the wiki and did not see anywhere an explicit mission statement about the Docs Project. Specifically what I was looking for was information as to who the documentation was geared for. The 'Documentation' link on the front page of the Fedora Project wiki brings up an unclear picture of the documentation as well. The designation between the target audiences is not clearly defined, flowing from [End User] Published Documents and Draft Documents right into New Contributors and Developers. >From what I have seen, there are three major categories that documentation falls under. 1) The End User [defined below]; 2) The Developer; 3) Other contributors. For me, the End User is the person looking to install and use Fedora Linux. This person may be a home user doing email and watching videos on the web; or the office worker doing email, documents and spreadsheets; or the administrator supporting the office worker; or the web developer who is doing their work on Linux. [+1] Those who are involved in the development of Fedora Linux or contribute in other ways are separate from the End User. There was some talk at FUDCon about dividing the front page into three sections... End User, Contributor, Developer. Documentation should follow this division as well. If the real focus currently is the End User, then the main documents required are: - The Installation Guide (How do I get Fedora Linux onto my machine?) [available on fedora.redhat.com/docs/] - The Desktop Users Guide (Now, what can I do with this default install?) [available from the fedoraproject.org wiki] - System Maintenance (How can I keep it running well?) [not available?] - Software Installation (How can I get more applications that will hose my system?) [available? from fedora.redhat.com/docs/ 'Managing Software with YUM'] - and Support (What do I do to solve my problem?) [not available?] [+2] Are there documents for Maintenance and Support? Anyway, I am going to get back to reading what is currently out there and try to be a constructive member of the group. ------------------------ 1) I expect that our sponsor would prefer that the Office Worker, Developer and the Administrator end-users would be using RHEL rather than Fedora Linux, otherwise they would be eager for Fedora to provide a server spin, thereby negating the need for the Fedora Project to handle this documentation. However, if Fedora is truly to provide the base for RHEL, then this would include documentation for these users. This requires more direction from the appropriate people. This leaves us with the Home User. 2) In my view this document would start out with a brief list of those tools that would be helpful in trouble shooting problems, and how to use them. Then a list of external sites would be provided that would allow the user to research their individual issue on their own, i.e. fedoraforum.org, linuxforums.org, and linuxquestions.org. -- Aaron Bowman, Fedora Docs Wannabe gpg fingerprint: 2DD4 471F 12F4 FB93 986F 2B41 17DB 3139 CBF6 2385 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.Grimm at ingres.com Mon Feb 19 21:57:18 2007 From: Andy.Grimm at ingres.com (Andy Grimm) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:57:18 -0500 Subject: another self-introduction In-Reply-To: <1171813285.4101.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171813285.4101.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171922238.19281.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 10:41 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I'm betting that you have some CVS experience (but if not, you don't > need to know much to help here). We really need some fresh eyes on > the > Documentation Guide, if for no other purpose than to show us where > we're > missing chunks both big and small. > > Are you interested in helping in this way? Sure, that sounds like it could be interesting. I don't have a *lot* of CVS experience in particular; my previous company used SCCS - ugh! - and my current company uses perforce, to which I am still not accustomed. I understand the concepts, though. So, should I check out a version of this doc CVS to start looking over it? --Andy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 19 23:54:20 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:54:20 -0500 Subject: another self-introduction In-Reply-To: <1171922238.19281.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1171314770.7869.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171813285.4101.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1171922238.19281.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1171929260.20354.81.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 16:57 -0500, Andy Grimm wrote: > On Sun, 2007-02-18 at 10:41 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > I'm betting that you have some CVS experience (but if not, you don't > > need to know much to help here). We really need some fresh eyes on > > the > > Documentation Guide, if for no other purpose than to show us where > > we're > > missing chunks both big and small. > > > > Are you interested in helping in this way? > > > Sure, that sounds like it could be interesting. I don't have a *lot* of > CVS experience in particular; my previous company used SCCS - ugh! - and > my current company uses perforce, to which I am still not accustomed. I > understand the concepts, though. > > So, should I check out a version of this doc CVS to start looking over > it? Yes. You can find out *how* to do the CVS part (checkout) in the published version of the guide at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/CvsUsage The first couple sections are all you need to read to pull the docs. I'd recommend doing the following: (pull document from CVS) cd whatever_path/documentation-guide/ make validate-xml-en_US yelp en_US/documentation-guide.xml That assumes you have the "yelp" package installed; most Fedora systems do. If not, you could try loading this in some other XML reader. The yelp reader will show you a readable version, not the XML code itself, which makes it easier for you to pick out things that aren't helpful. Try the steps; tell us what you think is missing. We want this guide to reflect just the things that are Fedora Docs-specific, if possible. There is necessarily a little bit about DocBook and some other subjects, but we don't want to repeat that which exists elsewhere and that we can point to. Everything's up for your comment -- flow, organization, whatever. If someone disagrees, we'll let you know. Don't feel you can't argue the point if it's worth arguing. Be bold but rational. Most of all, file bugs in Bugzilla. That will make it easier for us to track the work. If you have any specific questions, just shoot an email to the list. Thanks for your time and effort! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From couf at skynet.be Tue Feb 20 10:12:42 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 11:12:42 +0100 Subject: Install Guide strings for Figure, Chapter, Section etc. In-Reply-To: <1171903183.21210.140.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1171894234.19609.258.camel@miletic> <1171903183.21210.140.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <45DAC99A.1040105@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karsten Wade schreef: > On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 09:10 -0500, Igor Miletic wrote: > >> Another question. Are there plans to create po files for DUG? It looks >> very useful for beginners and it would be nice if it was available for >> translation. > > Excellent question! And perfectly timed, too. :) > > Bart Couvreur was discussing this on IRC yesterday; I think he is > planning on leading the conversion from Wiki to XML. This is the first > step in generating PO for translation. Some of us (Paul, myself) are > supporting the conversion, but anyone here who is interested in helping, > please do. You can learn first hand about how to convert Wiki to XML, > build a book in XML, and support a book that has its canonical source in > a Wiki. > Yes, I'm/we're planning on doing it next weekend or beginning next week according to how many people would like to join. I'm thinking of the weekend b/c it's Fosdem and 3 Docs-guys (glezos, McGiwer and me, if I've missed someone, sorry) will be there (sort of a reverse Docs Hackfest as with Fudcon Boston), but if people have objections please let shout out and lets arrange an other date / schedule. We're just waiting for the wiki-upgrade - that should happen tomorrow - which would make everything a bit easier. I'm willing to head this as a way of getting more experience and anyone else who's willing to join, please do. > Fortunately, conversion is relatively easy. It could be done within the > next few weeks, if we have sufficient motivation. :) > > thanks - Karsten > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF2smarbZrKtk/D5MRArUnAJ9u5AwDD0fXbEPqonYd9b4kQUc9OQCfXsl9 kpgaROZXru7d58G2j9qowp0= =RKjs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 21 21:20:38 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:50:38 +0530 Subject: Move over fdsco meetings to #fedora-meeting? Message-ID: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> Hi Would folks in the steering committee consider $subject? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel. Basically you need to pick up a meeting slot and list yourself in the page above. The advantage is that folks can stay in the same channel for all meetings and it separates the social chats from formal meetings and kind of forces everyone to have different timings which is good for folks who sit on and participate in more than one meeting. Cons? Rahul From dimitris at glezos.com Thu Feb 22 02:23:04 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:23:04 +0000 Subject: Wiki Guide proposal Message-ID: <45DCFE88.3050803@glezos.com> Hi all. Today we got the wiki upgraded (thanks to Mike and the FI folks) and added some CSS tweaks [1]. The new version and the CSS foo render the wiki more usable, promote code reuse and can help us avoid some HTML-hacking happening around. [1]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiDesignTuning So, we all know that having clean pages with consistent look-and-feel is A Good Thing? and that our wiki wouldn't mind some work to make it more usable and good-looking. :) I think we should have a good Wiki Guide that documents the use of the wiki. We do have some scattered information here and there like `/WikiEditing`, but the pages are huge and not very usable. In the guide we could promote ways to have good and organized content, avoid HTML hacking, etc. For this, we are also investigating enabling a moin module that will give us wikipedia-style templates that can further increase code reuse. Here are some ideas for the contents of the guide: * Structure of the wiki * Structure of a page * Getting access * Page templates / skeletons and personal pages * Writing style (mostly pointers to existing Docs) * Page editing (/HelpOnEditing) * Media (Graphics, videos, etc) * Exporting to DocBook * Various tps How does the idea sound? Oh, also, in the following weeks we'll try to further enhance the image of our wiki and probably design some more banners for pages to look nice. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From docs-list at fedoralinks.org Thu Feb 22 15:20:57 2007 From: docs-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 09:20:57 -0600 Subject: Move over fdsco meetings to #fedora-meeting? In-Reply-To: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <45DDB4D9.2060004@fedoralinks.org> Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > Would folks in the steering committee consider $subject? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel. > > Basically you need to pick up a meeting slot and list yourself in the > page above. The advantage is that folks can stay in the same channel for > all meetings and it separates the social chats from formal meetings and > kind of forces everyone to have different timings which is good for > folks who sit on and participate in more than one meeting. > > Cons? > > Rahul > > This will be something for the new FDSCo to decide following the election. If we had "normal" meetings that only talked about the status of things and setting policy I would have no problem with it. Among the cons is we at times in the past have had 3 hour working meetings. These would be incredibly boring/long winded for non-docs people. -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen * * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen gpg fingerprint: F9F4 7243 4243 0043 2C45 97AF E8A4 C3AE 42EB 0BC6 Fedora Docs Projects FDSCo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject From kwade at redhat.com Thu Feb 22 18:55:15 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:55:15 -0800 Subject: Move over fdsco meetings to #fedora-meeting? In-Reply-To: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> References: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1172170515.28975.26.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 02:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Cons? Below is my reply from IRC. I also agree with Bob that the subject of when and where to have meetings is something the new FDSCo should decide. To follow on what I wrote below, I personally have no problem with more than one meeting at the same time, as long as it is on IRC. I am much more concerned with losing the visibility and ease of participation by the Documentation Project, than I am about making it easier for people outside of the project to see/participate in the meetings. If we did this, I would find myself wanting all of the people on #fedora-docs to also be on #fedora-meeting. Having people able to read the IRC log is all fine, but that is a log not a conversation. If we move our meetings to where the conversations are not happening, we lose that involvement. One of the ways we have gained leaders in this project has been through people who hang out on IRC together and then participate in our meetings. I fear this would be diminished with us moving meetings to a different channel, and I don't see it giving that much advantage to people inside of the project. 04:55 < quaid> hmmm 04:55 < quaid> I'm not sure it's a good idea 04:55 < quaid> there is a loss of momentum in the source channel 04:56 < quaid> people who have come to expect to be in #foo, etc. 04:56 < quaid> and the only gain i see is that there is one schedule people can come to know when there are meetings 04:56 < quaid> and that can be done anyway, without forcing a single channel on all meetings 04:56 < quaid> also, what happens when two meetings need to use the channel at the same time? 04:56 < quaid> then you have to route people to another channel (a third channel, now?) 04:57 * quaid also can't see 1/4 of that table due to the Wiki nav 04:57 < quaid> so i guess one wouldn't want a meeting during the time when the one meeting page can't display it, eh? 04:57 < quaid> I'm all for consolidation where it makes sense 04:57 < mether> quaid: point is that we dont want seveal meetings on the same time 04:57 < quaid> but I think there has been a recent wave of consolidation for no reason 04:58 < mether> or perhaps you have different values 04:58 < quaid> e.g. the two docs tracks/discussions at FUDCon actually didn't belong together, and because we combined them, we lost the second discussion entirely/. 04:58 < quaid> etc. -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Suh-weet! That's as many as we knew were coming to FUDCon Boston, so you are starting with good footing. As you all did before, I'll be available throughout the weekend to help via IRC. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From couf at skynet.be Thu Feb 22 19:05:33 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:05:33 +0100 Subject: Move over fdsco meetings to #fedora-meeting? In-Reply-To: <1172170515.28975.26.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <45DCB7A6.1070504@fedoraproject.org> <1172170515.28975.26.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <45DDE97D.1010206@skynet.be> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Karsten Wade schreef: > On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 02:50 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Cons? > > Below is my reply from IRC. I also agree with Bob that the subject of > when and where to have meetings is something the new FDSCo should > decide. > > To follow on what I wrote below, I personally have no problem with more > than one meeting at the same time, as long as it is on IRC. I am much > more concerned with losing the visibility and ease of participation by > the Documentation Project, than I am about making it easier for people > outside of the project to see/participate in the meetings. If we did > this, I would find myself wanting all of the people on #fedora-docs to > also be on #fedora-meeting. Having people able to read the IRC log is > all fine, but that is a log not a conversation. If we move our meetings > to where the conversations are not happening, we lose that involvement. > One of the ways we have gained leaders in this project has been through > people who hang out on IRC together and then participate in our > meetings. I fear this would be diminished with us moving meetings to a > different channel, and I don't see it giving that much advantage to > people inside of the project. > [IRC-log-snip] I totally agree. Documentation is a process in which people who want to get involved, can be by joing the IRC and seeing what's going on there. FDSCo meetings are more like a gathering of people then the more formalized meetings that happen on #fedora-meeting. Also we tend to flux throughout the week which would give problems based on fixed time schedules. In the end, I agree with both Karsten and Bob that the new FDSCo should consider this and get to an agreement. Bart - -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFF3el9rbZrKtk/D5MRAn2fAJ9O00j3IbkNBvWtW61lPophff+/xwCgkFhG MRxi7b9ExX0kmPXM9j0fp3M= =Azit -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Feb 24 02:52:33 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 20:52:33 -0600 Subject: reStructured Text now supported on the wiki Message-ID: <45DFA871.2020905@redhat.com> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html in case you want to use it. {{{ #!rst Place *text* here. }}} -Mike From couf at skynet.be Sat Feb 24 12:04:22 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (couf at skynet.be) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:04:22 +0100 Subject: Fosdem FDP Hackfest: DUG Message-ID: <200702241204.l1OC4M8p010717@outmx006.isp.belgacom.be> Hi all, so today Fosdem 2007 started and we're planning on doing the DUG \"wiki to XML\"-conversion today. Because Max's talking at 1400 UTC and we (Dimitris, Pawel and me) are gonna linger there, we're gonna start the conversion at 15OO UTC (16OO Brussels local time). We'll be lingering at #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net for anyone who wants to join in. Karsten and Paul (?) will be around to guide us through it, so if you wanna learn this, hop on to irc and see ya there! FDP-guys @ Fosdem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 14:28:28 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:28:28 -0500 Subject: reStructured Text now supported on the wiki In-Reply-To: <45DFA871.2020905@redhat.com> References: <45DFA871.2020905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1172327308.9126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 20:52 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/user/rst/quickref.html in case you > want to use it. > > {{{ > #!rst > Place *text* here. > }}} For those who don't know anything about ReStructured Text (ReST), this could be *very* helpful for docs, especially the Release Notes. ReST is a much richer, but almost equally easy, set of markup that can be used on the Moin wiki. The upshot is that we may be able to get more of a one-to-one conversion from Wiki -> XML without the need for as much manual re-tagging. The python-docutils package apparently has some functionality for doing this, but I'm not sure to what extent it's "plug and play." Toshio is looking into this in his spare (?) time, and I will do the same. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 24 15:46:47 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 07:46:47 -0800 Subject: reStructured Text now supported on the wiki In-Reply-To: <1172327308.9126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <45DFA871.2020905@redhat.com> <1172327308.9126.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1172332007.4651.85.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-02-24 at 09:28 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > For those who don't know anything about ReStructured Text (ReST), this > could be *very* helpful for docs, especially the Release Notes. To do this, we need to convert our current pages and make sure there are useful references for Beat writers to follow. First we want to assess, should we convert early and teach sooner, or convert later after all the content is in? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > >> For those who don't know anything about ReStructured Text (ReST), this >> could be *very* helpful for docs, especially the Release Notes. > > To do this, we need to convert our current pages and make sure there are > useful references for Beat writers to follow. > > First we want to assess, should we convert early and teach sooner, or > convert later after all the content is in? If this is for the release notes, I would prefer any change in markup happen at the earliest possible occasion. As early as Fedora 7 Test 2. * Ensure that you indeed have a advantage in converting from rest to docbook as opposed to moin code which hasnt been upstreamed yet. Alternatively continue to push for the conversion code to be merged. We dont want that work to stagnate and become irrelevant when a new major version of moinmoin pops out. * Provide sample content in the form of release notes to demonstrate of its capabilities as a better markup language. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 19:57:18 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 14:57:18 -0500 Subject: Style, and how to use it Message-ID: <1172347038.9126.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> For those folks writing on the wiki, please be sure and check out the draft Style guide, which was mostly written by the illustrious Patrick Barnes and nitpicked a little by me and a few other folks: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide English is a useful, but sometimes arcane and difficult, lingua franca used throughout Fedora. Fortunately enough people know it that we can communicate fairly well with each other, hopefully with a minimum of misunderstandings. But because Fedora aims to reach a global community, it is also important we maintain our documents in a translatable fashion. English unfortunately lends itself to many constructs which are very awkward for translators. By using a consistent, clear, and simple writing style, you the writer can ensure translators, who are also usually volunteers, find your document easy to localize to their native language. As you write, please keep the style guidelines in mind. If you have questions, always feel free to raise them on the list. If you find an issue not answered in the Style Guide, you also have an opportunity to improve it. Once we agree on an answer here, we can update the wiki page so everyone benefits. Thanks again and good luck with your drafting! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jbwillia at fedoraunity.org Sun Feb 25 01:09:31 2007 From: jbwillia at fedoraunity.org (jbwillia at fedoraunity.org) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 01:09:31 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Self Introduction Ben Williams Message-ID: <55928.198.82.185.72.1172365771.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> * Ben Williams * Blacksburg VA USA * Windows-Linux Specialist * Department of Mathematics Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University * My goal for the Fedora is for it to be the best linux distro * Historical qualifications o I consider myself a novice at computer, enjoy learning more and more everyday. started using linux with RH4 (not rhel4). o I am a Windows System-Admin by training, but i also maintain and 50 linux boxes on a daily basis. o I deal with 250 endusers on a daily basis pub 1024D/295A4FBC 2007-02-15 Key fingerprint = 7DC7 B470 4AEC 0187 A7EF 80D0 1957 4336 295A 4FBC uid James B. Williams sub 1056g/6E2873A7 2007-02-15 From kwade at redhat.com Sun Feb 25 17:48:44 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:48:44 -0800 Subject: clean-up for DUG XML Message-ID: <1172425725.4651.104.camel@erato.phig.org> I just committed some changes to the desktop-user-guide XML, removing some cruft from the conversion. The diff should be sane when viewed through fedora-docs-commits because I did this: 1. ran xmlformat on the files 2. committed those formatted files 3. made changes 4. ran xmlformat again 5. committed those changes We may want to turn on the xmlformat for all files now, so we aren't having to think about this. IIRC, we have a hook to allow us to have xmlformat run on files as they are checked in, before the commit lands in CVS. I have a small list of other changes that need to be worked on. There are two sections -- changes that have to be made to make it build and work right, and changes that need to be made if we are doing a complete conversion. With the release notes, we sometimes opt not to change the XML to the correct tags, because XML is an interim format. With a full conversion, we want to convert e.g. into one of the tags that is supposed to correspond to: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms For example, if the Wiki usage was '''Firefox''', the output to XML becomes Firefox, and it needs to be changed manually to Firefox. In Emacs, I would put my cursor somewhere on the tag, then do 'C-c ='. In the status bar at the bottom appears "Change emphasis to"; type "app[tab]", it fills out "application", and pressing [Enter] changes the tag to . Here is the list of changes that I captured; there are surely more: n. Convert all
=> n. Give IDs to n. Clean up URIs => n. Remove (redundant) - note that the ID is often present because it is linked to; use where needed in the nearest
etc., then search for the anchor text in the XML to find everywhere that links to this information, then fix those (ulink => xref, etc.) n. Convert admonitions (search for , /wikidata/kindofblue/img/) n. Remove and from s, including the bogus Docs/DesktopUserGuide/ n. Remove footer navigation hack (last table in a page) n. Remove CategoryDocumentation at the end n. Look for how is used; it gets a line break and sometimes around it that is not appropriate. n. that does not surround should be adjusted foo => foo For full conversion to XML: Note: Once you have done this conversion, and bug fixes and updates to the Wiki and/or the XML need to be manually ported to the other format. In other words, once you distance your XML from its Wiki roots, you cannot easily insert new Wiki content or go backward. n. => or n. => , , etc. n. => , , , , etc. n. Create (search for [) n. for FIG -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Feb 25 22:10:02 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:10:02 -0500 Subject: Use of asterisk "*" in distro name Message-ID: <1172441402.17927.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> As cute as I think it is, I think we should be standardizing on the following usage for the distribution in official documentation materials: Full name: Fedora 7 Abbreviated name: F7 As opposed to "F*7" or "Fedora*7." The asterisk is not l10n friendly, conceivably could affect searches, and I don't think the Board decided to use it officially. Let's please standardize the usage in the Release Notes and anywhere else under our watch. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From what I've heard at FOSDEM, 'Fedora 7' was the only term used for our next version. Things are most likely heading towards that direction for the name AFAIK. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 05:30:03 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:30:03 +0300 Subject: Use of asterisk "*" in distro name In-Reply-To: <45E2276C.5010004@glezos.com> References: <1172441402.17927.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E2276C.5010004@glezos.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702252130y1cd205fem741b43198dc777d5@mail.gmail.com> On 2/26/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > From what I've heard at FOSDEM, 'Fedora 7' was the only term used for > our next version. Things are most likely heading towards that direction > for the name AFAIK. > Has anyone considered a possible naming conflict with the other Fedora? "Fedora (or Flexible Extensible Digital Object Repository Architecture) (not to be confused with Fedora Core) is a modular architecture built on the principle that interoperability and extensibility is best achieved by the integration of data, interfaces, and mechanisms (i.e., executable programs) as clearly defined modules. Fedora is a digital asset management (DAM) architecture, upon which many types of digital library systems might be built. Fedora is the underlying architecture for a digital repository, and is not a complete management, indexing, discovery, and delivery application." Directly quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28software%29 The other Fedora's web site is at http://www.fedora.info/. They're currently Fedora 2.2. See also http://www.techworld.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=displaynews&NewsID=687 concerning the naming conflict in 2003 - and the other Fedora's prior use. This probably needs to be reviewed by legal counsel, as IANAL. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From mike at mommabears.com Mon Feb 26 05:39:56 2007 From: mike at mommabears.com (MJang) Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:39:56 -0800 Subject: Use of asterisk "*" in distro name In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702252130y1cd205fem741b43198dc777d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1172441402.17927.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E2276C.5010004@glezos.com> <9d2c731f0702252130y1cd205fem741b43198dc777d5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1172468396.5726.3.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:30 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On 2/26/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > > From what I've heard at FOSDEM, 'Fedora 7' was the only term used for > > our next version. Things are most likely heading towards that direction > > for the name AFAIK. > > > > Has anyone considered a possible naming conflict with the other Fedora? I remember wondering about this a while back, and if my (possibly faulty) memory is working, there was talk about legal action - the Fedora Library project did come first. However, I see this now at http://www.fedora.info/redHat.shtml "Red Hat, Inc. offers open source computer software for operating computer systems under the mark FEDORA Project. The FEDORA Project of Cornell University and the University of Virginia is not affiliated, connected, or associated with the FEDORA Project of Red Hat, Inc. Red Hat, Inc. does not sponsor, approve of, or endorse the FEDORA Project of Cornell University and the University of Virginia" Which suggests (to me) an uneasy peace between the two open source projects. I would not be shocked to hear of some sort of financial backing of Red Hat of the fedora.info project. Thanks, Mike From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 06:57:04 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:57:04 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction Ben Williams In-Reply-To: <55928.198.82.185.72.1172365771.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> References: <55928.198.82.185.72.1172365771.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702252257u5c55b955oa4159599ebdd663c@mail.gmail.com> Ben: Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! John Babich Volunteer, FDP On 2/25/07, jbwillia at fedoraunity.org wrote: > * Ben Williams > * Blacksburg VA USA > * Windows-Linux Specialist > * Department of Mathematics Virginia Polytechnic Institute & > State University > * My goal for the Fedora is for it to be the best linux distro > > * Historical qualifications > o I consider myself a novice at computer, enjoy learning more > and more everyday. started using linux with RH4 (not rhel4). > > o I am a Windows System-Admin by training, but i also maintain > and 50 linux boxes on a daily basis. > o I deal with 250 endusers on a daily basis > > pub 1024D/295A4FBC 2007-02-15 > Key fingerprint = 7DC7 B470 4AEC 0187 A7EF 80D0 1957 4336 295A 4FBC > uid James B. Williams > sub 1056g/6E2873A7 2007-02-15 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 26 13:45:49 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:45:49 -0500 Subject: Use of asterisk "*" in distro name In-Reply-To: <1172468396.5726.3.camel@localhost> References: <1172441402.17927.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <45E2276C.5010004@glezos.com> <9d2c731f0702252130y1cd205fem741b43198dc777d5@mail.gmail.com> <1172468396.5726.3.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1172497549.3920.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-02-25 at 21:39 -0800, MJang wrote: > On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 08:30 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > On 2/26/07, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > > > > From what I've heard at FOSDEM, 'Fedora 7' was the only term used for > > > our next version. Things are most likely heading towards that direction > > > for the name AFAIK. > > > > > > > Has anyone considered a possible naming conflict with the other Fedora? > > I remember wondering about this a while back, and if my (possibly > faulty) memory is working, there was talk about legal action - the > Fedora Library project did come first. > > However, I see this now at http://www.fedora.info/redHat.shtml > > "Red Hat, Inc. offers open source computer software for operating > computer systems under the mark FEDORA Project. The FEDORA Project of > Cornell University and the University of Virginia is not affiliated, > connected, or associated with the FEDORA Project of Red Hat, Inc. Red > Hat, Inc. does not sponsor, approve of, or endorse the FEDORA Project of > Cornell University and the University of Virginia" > > Which suggests (to me) an uneasy peace between the two open source > projects. I would not be shocked to hear of some sort of financial > backing of Red Hat of the fedora.info project. Yes, we've known about the name conflict for quite some time, but to the best of my knowledge there is disagreement over whether the Cornell/UVa project's name came first. "Our" Fedora arose from work Warren Togami was doing long before Red Hat ever got involved. The statement on the Cornell/UVa web site is relatively recent, and I would imagine came after some some sort of discussions between the legal crews to which we weren't privy. Don't lose sleep over it. :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(or don't) > To: Fedora Documentation Project > Message-ID: <1172509501.4651.127.camel at erato.phig.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Today is the last day for FDSCo voting. The poll closes at 23:59 UTC. > > http://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/vote.cgi > > Nominees: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Nominations > > Background: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part > Url : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20070226/d43faf0b/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > End of fedora-docs-list Digest, Vol 36, Issue 28 > ************************************************ > From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Tue Feb 27 18:34:07 2007 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:34:07 +0100 Subject: fedora-docs-list Digest, Vol 36, Issue 28 In-Reply-To: <51617.198.82.185.72.1172599905.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> References: <20070227170035.C22BF735EA@hormel.redhat.com> <51617.198.82.185.72.1172599905.squirrel@webmail.fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0702271034w593ba70fh7dff2ff8541f8895@mail.gmail.com> If im not mistaken it finished yesterday... The poll closes at 23:59 UTC. Paulo On 2/27/07, jbwillia at fedoraunity.org wrote: > > i just tried to vote and it says voteing closed > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Vote today! (or don't) (Karsten Wade) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:05:01 -0800 > > From: Karsten Wade > > Subject: Vote today! (or don't) > > To: Fedora Documentation Project > > Message-ID: <1172509501.4651.127.camel at erato.phig.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Today is the last day for FDSCo voting. 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Meeting is therefore open today from: 1230 UTC/1930 EST/1630 PST to 0300 UTC/2200 EST/1900 PST Crazy, eh? :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 27 20:24:03 2007 From: mcgiwer at fedoraproject.org (Pawel Sadowski) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:24:03 +0100 Subject: Reduction of activity in FP until May Message-ID: <1172607843.5304.13.camel@redhat> Hi, I'm writing this mail as I want to let you know I'm reducing my activity in Fedora Project until May. This is because of very important exams I have on May. I won't be reading my mails, so I will be almost unreachable. I'm really sad because of this, but I have to do it. I haven't even checked the things about FOSDEM which took a place during the past weekend. One thing I can say now is that it was a really great pleasure to meet you there and I had a wonderful time with you. On May, I will upload my photos I've taken there. See you on May! Pawel From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 27 22:52:03 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:52:03 -0800 Subject: Reduction of activity in FP until May In-Reply-To: <1172607843.5304.13.camel@redhat> References: <1172607843.5304.13.camel@redhat> Message-ID: <1172616723.4651.184.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 21:24 +0100, Pawel Sadowski wrote: > Hi, > > I'm writing this mail as I want to let you know I'm reducing my activity > in Fedora Project until May. This is because of very important exams I > have on May. I won't be reading my mails, so I will be almost > unreachable. I'm really sad because of this, but I have to do it. I > haven't even checked the things about FOSDEM which took a place during > the past weekend. One thing I can say now is that it was a really great > pleasure to meet you there and I had a wonderful time with you. On May, > I will upload my photos I've taken there. Thank you for your note; this is exactly the right way to act in a community. Being responsible includes being willing to say when you *cannot* be responsible. We look forward to your return to the project. > See you on May! See you then, on IRC I suspect. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 05:17:58 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:17:58 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Election Results] In-Reply-To: <1172620259.4651.192.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1172620259.4651.192.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702272117n4b580819q240ad1bc2c513965@mail.gmail.com> Fedora Docs Team: Congratulations to all the newly elected members. Gavin, I hope you can still be active in the Docs Project as you have a lot to offer the Project. (BTW, I voted for you). John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 28 06:28:51 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:28:51 -0800 Subject: agenda for 06-Mar-2007 FDSCo meeting Message-ID: <1172644131.4651.216.camel@erato.phig.org> We have a few items that have backed up to deal with; please help me make sure that enough of these *decision* items make it on the agenda. Bringing them up on-list means we can work out the details *before the meeting*. This is a new paradigm for FDSCo, but one we have all spoken of following (iirc). ;-) 0. Meeting time -- [LIST DECISION] 1. Elect new chair/project leader [MEETING DECISION] 1.1 Decide if chair is 12 mon. or 6 mon. position? [MEETING DECISION] -- on-list discussion? 2. Meetings on #fedora-docs v. #fedora-meeting [MEETING DECISION] 3. Confirm FDP schedule for F7 [LIST DISCUSSION],[MEETING DECISION] 4. AOB -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks all. > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 28 09:06:04 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:06:04 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: Election Results] In-Reply-To: <36695.192.168.100.90.1172648933.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <1172620259.4651.192.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702272117n4b580819q240ad1bc2c513965@mail.gmail.com> <36695.192.168.100.90.1172648933.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0702280106p5bc6cf62recdba785fa248b37@mail.gmail.com> On 2/28/07, Gavin Henry wrote: > Many thank John. It's only fair, I've done naf all, but it will be the yea > rot prove myself again by knocking out the docs I've always been meening > too. > > "Advanced OpenLDAP" > "Squid" > "Amanda" > > are ones on my list. > > Thanks all. > I'm looking forward to them, especially the one on OpenLDAP. Will that doc also address Fedora Directory Server? John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From ghenry at suretecsystems.com Wed Feb 28 10:30:27 2007 From: ghenry at suretecsystems.com (Gavin Henry) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:30:27 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [Fwd: Election Results] In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0702280106p5bc6cf62recdba785fa248b37@mail.gmail.com> References: <1172620259.4651.192.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702272117n4b580819q240ad1bc2c513965@mail.gmail.com> <36695.192.168.100.90.1172648933.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <9d2c731f0702280106p5bc6cf62recdba785fa248b37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38141.80.229.93.1.1172658627.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> > On 2/28/07, Gavin Henry wrote: > >> Many thank John. It's only fair, I've done naf all, but it will be the >> yea >> rot prove myself again by knocking out the docs I've always been meening >> too. >> >> "Advanced OpenLDAP" >> "Squid" >> "Amanda" >> >> are ones on my list. >> >> Thanks all. >> > I'm looking forward to them, especially the one on OpenLDAP. > Will that doc also address Fedora Directory Server? We don't know anything about FDS, and don't really want to ;-) OpenLDAP is far superior. Thanks. > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 28 11:48:35 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:48:35 -0800 Subject: promoting Docs/Beats as relnotes for test3 Message-ID: <1172663315.4651.270.camel@erato.phig.org> Since test3 is also going to be a one-sheet for release notes, how does this idea sound? * At the top of the one-sheet (F7Test2/ReleaseNotes) we put a link to Docs/Beats and explain the content is alpha ('alphabet soup'), sort of the rawhide of release notes content source. * Include this link in the announcement sent about the one-sheet * Promote on support channels (#fedora, fedoraforum.org, fedorafaq.org, etc.) Pros ---- Brings more attention to the raw notes, which brings more contributors. Gets more important information out to more people sooner (release early, release often.) Many eyes make fewer technical and grammatical errors. Makes our jobs easier while doing a better service. Other? Cons ---- Unpolished portions of the Wiki pages may reflect negatively on Fedora Documentation or the Fedora Project in general. Technical errors may cause user computers to eat themselves, or worse, get expelled.[1] Very empty notes such as we often have in the middle of testing can be quite embarrassing. :) Other? - Karsten [1] Movie-reference-trivia-link-of-the-week: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0241527/quotes -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 28 23:23:12 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:53:12 +0530 Subject: Clearing out release notes In-Reply-To: <1172701933.23731.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1172701933.23731.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <45E60EE0.7070903@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'd like to suggest that we take the Docs/Beats/* pages, and strip out > all existing data up through the original FC6 final release. Any > remaining content is likely fresh enough for F7 release. That way, we > don't risk contributors coming in to the "alpha" release thinking > there's no work to do when there's really quite a bit. > > I will volunteer to help if we can get enough +1's. Sure. We should do that as soon as we do a non-test Fedora release and write down that as the process we follow after Fedora 7. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 28 23:26:20 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 04:56:20 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: Election Results] In-Reply-To: <38141.80.229.93.1.1172658627.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <1172620259.4651.192.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0702272117n4b580819q240ad1bc2c513965@mail.gmail.com> <36695.192.168.100.90.1172648933.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> <9d2c731f0702280106p5bc6cf62recdba785fa248b37@mail.gmail.com> <38141.80.229.93.1.1172658627.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <45E60F9C.1090306@fedoraproject.org> Gavin Henry wrote: > >>> >> I'm looking forward to them, especially the one on OpenLDAP. >> Will that doc also address Fedora Directory Server? We can find documentation from the FDS wiki. > > We don't know anything about FDS, and don't really want to ;-) OpenLDAP is > far superior. I dont know anything about A but B is definitely better. Amusing. Isn't it? Rahul