From vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi Mon Jul 2 08:41:24 2007 From: vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi (Ville-Pekka Vainio) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 11:41:24 +0300 Subject: Finding man files: CVS or RPM repositories? Message-ID: <200707021141.31212.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Hi, (CC'd to docs-list) My summer project[1] is at a stage where I need to think about finding all of the man pages in a Fedora release. I have basic CVS integration working so that the user can specify a package and a branch and it imports the man pages from that package to the wiki (by downloading the source tarball). You can read more about the status of my project from my newest weekly report[2]. But what do you think is the best way of finding all of the man pages in a release? - Do a "cvs -co", parse it, download every source package and search for man files? - Or download filelists.xml from a repository mirror, parse it to find every package that contains man pages, then download the RPMs and extract the man pages from them? - Any other ideas? And in any case, how to handle package updates? I'm starting to be in favour of the RPM repository choice. It was pointed to me in the comments of my blog[3] that sometimes the man files are edited in the .spec file and so taking the files from the binary RPMS might be a good thing. Handling package updates would also be somewhat simple if I used RPM repositories, yum does that all the time ;) Thanks in advance for your comments! [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/VillePekkaVainio [2] http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/01/weekly-report-week-26-so-many-questions/ [3] http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/01/weekly-report-week-26-so-many-questions/#comment-11 -- Ville-Pekka Vainio vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From mailtoria at gmail.com Mon Jul 2 11:29:34 2007 From: mailtoria at gmail.com (ria das) Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:59:34 +0530 Subject: Finding man files: CVS or RPM repositories? In-Reply-To: <200707021141.31212.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> References: <200707021141.31212.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <74b2a9490707020429w26c17534u1f6475fa241c62f4@mail.gmail.com> On 7/2/07, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: > Hi, > > (CC'd to docs-list) > > My summer project[1] is at a stage where I need to think about finding all of > the man pages in a Fedora release. I have basic CVS integration working so > that the user can specify a package and a branch and it imports the man pages > from that package to the wiki (by downloading the source tarball). You can > read more about the status of my project from my newest weekly report[2]. > > But what do you think is the best way of finding all of the man pages in a > release? > > - Do a "cvs -co", parse it, download every source package and search for man > files? > > - Or download filelists.xml from a repository mirror, parse it to find every > package that contains man pages, then download the RPMs and extract the man > pages from them? > > - Any other ideas? I am extracting the man pages from the RPM files. > > And in any case, how to handle package updates? May be a small script to extract the man page from the latest RPM. Ria From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 2 23:12:16 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:12:16 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Reminder -- Vote in the Fedora Board election] Message-ID: <1183417936.7419.184.camel@erato.phig.org> Don't forget to vote. This is your project, your project board, and your chance to select who speaks and acts for you. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Max Spevack Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com To: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com Subject: Reminder -- Vote in the Fedora Board election Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT) I would like to remind everyone to vote in the Fedora Board elections, which are currently ongoing. If you are getting this message multiple times, I'm sorry. It's being sent to various lists. The Fedora Board's membership changes on a rotating basis. This election is for 3 of the 9 Fedora Board seats. The Fedora Board is the Fedora Project's "executive committee" and is ultimately accountable for everything that happens within Fedora, and delegates responsibillity to various sub-projects accordingly. Information about the candidates and voting is available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Elections Voting will end at 11:59 PM UTC on Sunday July 8th. Anyone who has signed the Fedora CLA is eligible to vote. Thank you, Max -- Max Spevack + http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MaxSpevack + gpg key -- http://spevack.org/max.asc + fingerprint -- CD52 5E72 369B B00D 9E9A 773E 2FDB CB46 5A17 CF21 -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 3 15:38:32 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:38:32 -0700 Subject: Finding man files: CVS or RPM repositories? In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707020429w26c17534u1f6475fa241c62f4@mail.gmail.com> References: <200707021141.31212.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <74b2a9490707020429w26c17534u1f6475fa241c62f4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183477112.7419.275.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 16:59 +0530, ria das wrote: > > And in any case, how to handle package updates? > May be a small script to extract the man page from the latest RPM. Right, extracting the man pages doesn't seem to be a challenge. Ville-Pekka - is this question about: * What to do when the package is updated and we need to resync man page sources? * How to get changes back into the source/package? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To get them closer, I recommend early in August. 20 Jul - 02 Aug (2359 UTC) :: Nominations open for two weeks 03 Aug - 13 Aug (2350 UTC) :: Elections open for ten days, including two weekends Thoughts? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I let these build up then log in to the admindb and wipe them all at once. With more of us, if everyone does a clean-up occasionally, it lightens the load on one person considerably. So, turn on those spam filters for the stuff that gets through. :) The commits list (f-docs-commits) has to be an open acceptance to get mail from CVS. :( - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:51:57 -0400 Subject: planning next FDSCo elections In-Reply-To: <1183482044.7419.301.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1183482044.7419.301.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1183517517.3277.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 10:00 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > We learned today that we cannot have two elections at the same time, due > to limitations in the voting software. > > Originally, we were trying to have elections coincident with FESCo > elections. However, our plan was August, and they were going to have > them end of June, so that is hard to re-align. > > Fortunately, FESCo has held off their elections. We can re-align with > them, although we have to choose different dates. > > If FESCo has theirs at the end of July, which sounds likely right now, > then that puts us back in the August time-frame. To get them closer, I > recommend early in August. > > 20 Jul - 02 Aug (2359 UTC) :: Nominations open for two weeks > > 03 Aug - 13 Aug (2350 UTC) :: Elections open for ten days, including two > weekends > > Thoughts? This seems perfectly workable to me. It would probably be nice to ask for an enhancement to the voting application that allows multiple elections, but in the meantime, this is fine. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think I heard that this is in the works for next year. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi Wed Jul 4 07:25:03 2007 From: vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi (Ville-Pekka Vainio) Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:25:03 +0300 Subject: Finding man files: CVS or RPM repositories? In-Reply-To: <1183477112.7419.275.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200707021141.31212.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <74b2a9490707020429w26c17534u1f6475fa241c62f4@mail.gmail.com> <1183477112.7419.275.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <200707041025.09305.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Karsten Wade kirjoitti viestiss??n (l?hetysaika tiistai, 3. hein?kuu 2007 18:38:32): > On Mon, 2007-07-02 at 16:59 +0530, ria das wrote: > > > And in any case, how to handle package updates? > > > > May be a small script to extract the man page from the latest RPM. > > Right, extracting the man pages doesn't seem to be a challenge. > > Ville-Pekka - is this question about: > > * What to do when the package is updated and we need to resync man page > sources? > > * How to get changes back into the source/package? The biggest question right now is whether to use CVS or RPM repositories, and upstream sources or Fedora packages, as the man page source. Here are some points on both choices: CVS - CVS has upstream source packages (tarballs), so we would get all man pages exactly as they are in upstream - OTOH, there might be reasons why some man pages (or parts of them) are taken away from the RPM packages, disabled features, legal reasons etc. - How to find all man pages from CVS? Do a "cvs co -c", download every source tarball from that list and search for man pages? This is going to take a lot of time and bandwidth... - How to handle package updates in this scenario? CVS tags? RPMs - RPM packages have exactly those man pages that are in the user's distribution - Man pages can be modified in the .spec files at RPM build time - Fedora's RPM repositories have a file called filelists.xml which has a list of all files of all packages in the repository. Man pages could easily be found by parsing that file. - Then only those packages that have man pages could be downloaded and man files extracted, This would probably save bandwidth and time compared to CVS. - Updates handling is still a question, but it should be doable with the repository metadata. As I said, yum does this all the time ;) I hope I remembered at least most of the points I had in mind... -- Ville-Pekka Vainio vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Jul 5 10:09:03 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 15:39:03 +0530 Subject: Outdated docs package list page Message-ID: <468CC33F.6090008@fedoraproject.org> Hi Should either be removed or kept updated http://docs.fedoraproject.org/package-list/ Rahul From jeevanullas at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 16:53:59 2007 From: jeevanullas at gmail.com (Deependra Singh Shekhawat) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:23:59 +0530 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 Message-ID: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi, As I mentioned few days ago here https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129739 I have managed to come up with a edited version of the samba+ldap tutorial. That is working at the moment. I have re-written the doc according to the newer version of Fedora (that is Fedora 7) and have to edit alot of things. Other missing areas in the earlier tutorial are also filled in. Most importantly the parts on how to configure a Windows client and using yum to install and update the required software. Also this guide covers on howto get a master DNS server up and running because DNS must be working for this thing to work. So far I have managed to configure Windows 2000 Professional client (and it's working great) as I don't have Windows XP machine at the moment but will soon be doing that. I want to have cvs access so that I can start uploading the source xml. If someone like to see the edited version I have it at the moment in openoffice.org format at http://freeshells.ch/~source/smbldap-f7-howto.odt Will soon be going to port it into Docbook and according to the fedoraproject Docs Writing guidelines. Thanks Deependra Singh Shekhawat From cpanceac at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 17:06:36 2007 From: cpanceac at gmail.com (cornel panceac) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:06:36 +0300 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 In-Reply-To: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: _very_ interesting for the ones (like me) wich have to live with windows machines, also may be interesting to see docs on connecting fedora workstations to windows active directory. also the dns part is _very_ interesting too. thank you very much. is there a link to the guide? i have not seen it on bugzilla. 2007/7/5, Deependra Singh Shekhawat : > > Hi, > > As I mentioned few days ago here > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129739 > > I have managed to come up with a edited version of the samba+ldap > tutorial. That is working at the moment. > > I have re-written the doc according to the newer version of Fedora (that > is Fedora 7) and have to edit alot of things. Other missing areas in the > earlier tutorial are also filled in. Most importantly the parts on how > to configure a Windows client and using yum to install and update the > required software. Also this guide covers on howto get a master DNS > server up and running because DNS must be working for this thing to > work. > > So far I have managed to configure Windows 2000 Professional client (and > it's working great) as I don't have Windows XP machine at the moment but > will soon be doing that. > > I want to have cvs access so that I can start uploading the source xml. > If someone like to see the edited version I have it at the moment in > openoffice.org format at > http://freeshells.ch/~source/smbldap-f7-howto.odt > > Will soon be going to port it into Docbook and according to the > fedoraproject Docs Writing guidelines. > > Thanks > Deependra Singh Shekhawat > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 17:41:19 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:41:19 -0400 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 In-Reply-To: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1183657279.10462.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 22:23 +0530, Deependra Singh Shekhawat wrote: > As I mentioned few days ago here > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=129739 > I have managed to come up with a edited version of the samba+ldap > tutorial. That is working at the moment. > > I have re-written the doc according to the newer version of Fedora (that > is Fedora 7) and have to edit alot of things. Other missing areas in the > earlier tutorial are also filled in. Most importantly the parts on how > to configure a Windows client and using yum to install and update the > required software. Also this guide covers on howto get a master DNS > server up and running because DNS must be working for this thing to > work. Hi Deependra, This tutorial has a lot of good information in it, so great work there. It sounds like you're already aware of the need for it to be more consistent with our writing guidelines, such as eliminating the first person use of "I" throughout. I see your account has a completed CLA, so if you haven't already, just request "cvsdocs" membership and we can get you CVS access. I'll put you on the access list for the appropriate module so you can continue work there as desired. You can port your edits to the existing XML, once you've got some rudimentary DocBook from the OpenOffice.org converter -- or however you intend to convert to XML -- but please do not import the ODT file itself. If you need any help with the DocBook or CVS, feel free to ask questions here or at IRC #fedora-docs anytime. You might find the Documentation Guide useful. There is a relatively fresh version available now: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/ If you find omissions or problems, please Bugzilla them since I am actively working on that Guide lately. The style guidelines are available on the Wiki for your reference too. Again, we welcome any questions! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jul 5 17:42:49 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:42:49 +0100 Subject: UG? Message-ID: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I was just wondering if anybody could give me some ideas about what are the main tasks that need doing for the UG? Or is it that people are just diving in and doing whatever? Hopefully will have some more time to contribute a bit again over the next week or so...fingers crossed! Cheers, Jon From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Jul 5 18:29:42 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 21:29:42 +0300 Subject: UG? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0707051129u96522d7i53151cadc80a7192@mail.gmail.com> On 7/5/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I was just wondering if anybody could give me some ideas about what > are the main tasks that need doing for the UG? Or is it that people > are just diving in and doing whatever? > Howdy, John, that would be me... > Hopefully will have some more time to contribute a bit again over the > next week or so...fingers crossed! > Give me 24 hours to update the task list. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Thu Jul 5 19:16:21 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:16:21 +0100 Subject: UG? In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0707051129u96522d7i53151cadc80a7192@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707051129u96522d7i53151cadc80a7192@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0707051216y21143b62t9a58724e1e10d8d7@mail.gmail.com> On 05/07/07, John Babich wrote: > On 7/5/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I was just wondering if anybody could give me some ideas about what > > are the main tasks that need doing for the UG? Or is it that people > > are just diving in and doing whatever? > > > Howdy, John, that would be me... > > > Hopefully will have some more time to contribute a bit again over the > > next week or so...fingers crossed! > > > Give me 24 hours to update the task list. Awesome :D Jon > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 13:23:37 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:23:37 -0400 Subject: Erroneous POT changes Message-ID: <1183728217.3280.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm starting to see some problems in CVS wherein a few of our well-meaning L10N members are changing POT files. These POT files are regenerated anytime the XML files change, and therefore the POT files should not be changed manually by anyone. (That includes a document's authors and editors, too.) Do we need to have some sort of access control on the POT file, or would a simple admonition to the L10N list suffice? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Fri Jul 6 13:43:58 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:43:58 +0100 Subject: Erroneous POT changes In-Reply-To: <1183728217.3280.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1183728217.3280.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <468E471E.9060700@glezos.com> O/H Paul W. Frields ??????: > I'm starting to see some problems in CVS wherein a few of our > well-meaning L10N members are changing POT files. These POT files are > regenerated anytime the XML files change, and therefore the POT files > should not be changed manually by anyone. (That includes a document's > authors and editors, too.) Do we need to have some sort of access > control on the POT file, or would a simple admonition to the L10N list > suffice? How about trying the second and see how it works? We could also put a notice in the TQSG for people to remember to commit only the file instead of the whole dir. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 14:03:02 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:03:02 -0400 Subject: Erroneous POT changes In-Reply-To: <468E471E.9060700@glezos.com> References: <1183728217.3280.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <468E471E.9060700@glezos.com> Message-ID: <1183730582.3280.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 14:43 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > O/H Paul W. Frields ??????: > > I'm starting to see some problems in CVS wherein a few of our > > well-meaning L10N members are changing POT files. These POT files are > > regenerated anytime the XML files change, and therefore the POT files > > should not be changed manually by anyone. (That includes a document's > > authors and editors, too.) Do we need to have some sort of access > > control on the POT file, or would a simple admonition to the L10N list > > suffice? > > How about trying the second and see how it works? We could also put a notice in > the TQSG for people to remember to commit only the file instead of the whole dir. +1 on the TQSG fix, making that now. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 14:22:42 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:22:42 -0400 Subject: Unnecessary doc entities abound? Message-ID: <1183731762.3280.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> A while back, we created the ability for document modules to carry their own specific XML entities. An editor who needs to use entities that are specific to a document makes a per-document entities XML file, and defines it in the module's Makefile with the ${DOC_ENTITIES} variable. For instance, a tutorial about the program "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" could have a defined general entity MYNAME that allowed the author the ability to shorthand the program name: This paragraph has something very vital to say about &MYNAME;. This cuts down on typographical errors, and also ensures that if "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" changes its name to "Foobarific" later, the author or editor need only change the name in one place to have it propagate through the document. We used to ask for all documents to carry this file and to always define the following entities: &DOCNAME; (the document module name) &DOCVER; (the document version, repeated from rpm-info.xml) &DOCDATE; (the document date, repeated from rpm-info.xml) &DOCID; (the document ID, which is really: "&DOCNAME;-&DOCVER; (&DOCDATE;)" -- or for example: "foobarific-guide-0.5 (2007-05-20)") Other than the &DOCNAME; entity, these elements appear in rpm-info.xml, which is a required file. Even the &DOCNAME; is of questionable value, since we already have the document title (e.g. "Foobarific Guide") in rpm-info.xml. The reason we created these elements originally was -- we (I?) thought -- that we could use them to populate commonly included snippets from the "docs-common" module. This is incorrect. The XML standard does not allow for this willy-nilly inclusion from different directory namespaces. We could build a lot of crazy infrastructure to allow us to copy or link these included snippets, but in the long run, it's simply ugly hackery and makes our toolchain more fragile and less maintainable. So my proposal (sorry, long time to get to the punch line): We drop the requirement for these document entities. Document metadata then only needs to be updated once by an author or editor making a change -- in the rpm-info.xml file only. This is a minor change and should not affect any current functionality in the toolchain. No documents should be attempting to use the snippets as they currently exist. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Document metadata then only > needs to be updated once by an author or editor making a change -- in > the rpm-info.xml file only. +1 - Karsten, who uses the power of [Delete] to get to the punch line -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise, it would be cool to set the file to 444 (read-only). If someone needed to edit it to fix something in the POT file (troubleshooting, etc.), they could change the mode, but it would have to be intentional. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is what was linked originally; note the other caveats Deependra makes: > 2007/7/5, Deependra Singh Shekhawat : > If someone like to see the edited version I have it at the > moment in > openoffice.org format at > http://freeshells.ch/~source/smbldap-f7-howto.odt -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just to overload everyone with useful URLs: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have vaporized it, should be live within an hour; thanks for the catch. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From richardfrontaine at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 21:23:17 2007 From: richardfrontaine at gmail.com (Richard Frontaine) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 00:23:17 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Richard Frontaine Message-ID: Hello. My name is Richard Frontaine and I am 41 years old. I live in Petah Tikva, Israel and I have a PhD in psychology. I am actually pretty new to all this Fedora contribution thingy, so as time passes I would see what more I can do. I'm sure there's a lot more to do in here. I haven't done nothing like that before. Ohhh, I helped to translate Gmail to hebrew but I didn't really do anything but to learn how to do it :) I am pretty good in handling computers and I'm more of a software guy than hardware. I also have very basic programming skills. I guess maybe in the future I would like to become an ambassador, but I'm not sure. My GPG Key is: DDD66C62 Here is the whole block of information: [root at localhost ~]# gpg --fingerprint DDD66C62 pub 1024D/DDD66C62 2007-07-06 Key fingerprint = F653 9FC2 FB04 45D4 47FA B048 00FB 8B95 DDD6 6C62 uid Richard Frontaine sub 2048g/A86FDD7D 2007-07-06 Hope I did it right :) Have a good day. -- Richard :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 23:37:25 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:37:25 -0400 Subject: Outdated docs package list page In-Reply-To: <1183747189.3540.61.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <468CC33F.6090008@fedoraproject.org> <1183747189.3540.61.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1183765045.3300.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 11:39 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 15:39 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Should either be removed or kept updated > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/package-list/ > > Wow. You must have found that via Google? I didn't know it was linked > from anywhere ... yep, grep confirms, it is not linked anywhere. > > We have no need to maintain such a thing. I have vaporized it, should > be live within an hour; thanks for the catch. Fedora Orbital Laser triumphs again! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Jul 6 23:38:12 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:38:12 -0400 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 In-Reply-To: <1183746886.3540.55.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1183657279.10462.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1183746886.3540.55.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1183765092.3300.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 11:34 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 13:41 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > The style guidelines are > > available on the Wiki for your reference too. > > Just to overload everyone with useful URLs: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide I knew I'd forget something. Thanks! :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ohhh, I helped to translate Gmail > to hebrew but I didn't really do anything but to learn how to do it :) > I am pretty good in handling computers and I'm more of a software guy than > hardware. I also have very basic programming skills. > I guess maybe in the future I would like to become an ambassador, but I'm > not sure. > > My GPG Key is: DDD66C62 > > Here is the whole block of information: > > [root at localhost ~]# gpg --fingerprint DDD66C62 > pub 1024D/DDD66C62 2007-07-06 > Key fingerprint = F653 9FC2 FB04 45D4 47FA B048 00FB 8B95 DDD6 6C62 > > uid Richard Frontaine > sub 2048g/A86FDD7D 2007-07-06 > > Hope I did it right :) > > Have a good day. > > -- > Richard :-) > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Diego B?rigo Zacar?o Linux User #402589 USE SOFTWARE LIVRE -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the current project plan, I am keeping all man and info pages as static HTML pages. A simple web interface will show the pages according to different fedora releases. The interface will also have a simple option see diff of the same man pages of different releases (here i am confused to decide whether to show the diff between roff files or the generated HTML files). My choice : roff files. Looking forward to comments from everyone. Ria From dev at nigelj.com Mon Jul 9 04:11:11 2007 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:11:11 +1200 (NZST) Subject: Publication of all man and info pages through a web interface for each release (current status) In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707081050y1ff01087l7818fc92a83b6b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b2a9490707081050y1ff01087l7818fc92a83b6b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <13761.202.74.202.139.1183954271.squirrel@webmail.nigelj.com> > Hi, > Howdy, > But I am not being able to figure out any such ready-made tool for > info pages, can anyone give me any suggestion about this? Have a look at texi2html seems to be similar to what you want/need > Looking forward to comments from everyone. > > Ria N.J. From kwade at redhat.com Mon Jul 9 16:20:16 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:20:16 -0700 Subject: Publication of all man and info pages through a web interface for each release (current status) In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707081050y1ff01087l7818fc92a83b6b60@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b2a9490707081050y1ff01087l7818fc92a83b6b60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1183998016.31368.57.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 23:20 +0530, ria das wrote: > Hi, > > The following link will give the current status of my SoC project : > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RiaDas/SoC > > The total project plan : > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/RiaDas > > Currently the code is without any try-except block. The Extractor.py > currently converts man pages to HTML pages using the man2html command. > But I am not being able to figure out any such ready-made tool for > info pages, can anyone give me any suggestion about this? > > In the current project plan, I am keeping all man and info pages as > static HTML pages. A simple web interface will show the pages > according to different fedora releases. The interface will also have a > simple option see diff of the same man pages of different releases > (here i am confused to decide whether to show the diff between roff > files or the generated HTML files). My choice : roff files. I guess it depends on who the audience is for the diff? If it is end-users, they want it a 'plain' format, so they are not seeing markup, etc. Developers might want a more technical (full diff), instead of a diff of the content. There are tools for showing the difference between the _content_ of XML files. Maybe something like that? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alajal at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 13:18:48 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:18:48 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> Hello to all folks there ...well Mustafa here from Pakistan. I am doing my Bachelor's in software engineering right now. I started using Linux a year ago when I did a system and network administration course on RHL 9. After that I didn't got any chance to do something more with Linux. After that I get familiarized with the Open Source theory and truly I loved it, so that's y I chose JAVA for jumping into professional programming career INSTEAD of '.NET' bcoz i want to move on further with Linux. I m using FC 6 right now n when I came here I loved to c u all doing great work here. I would also like to be a part of FC community but didn't know where to start. I would love to work on Fedora documentation OR internationalization project for URDU language support in Fedora but as being a newbie at town I didn't know that how much knowledge is required to get on work in a particular project. I will love to hear whatever you have to share for me. I will be more then happy to get advice or comments or suggestions from u folks there. :) -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeevanullas at gmail.com Tue Jul 10 13:34:40 2007 From: jeevanullas at gmail.com (Deependra Singh Shekhawat) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:04:40 +0530 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 In-Reply-To: References: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1183746822.3540.53.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1184074480.4856.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sorry, I got ill and couldn't see this response. I am trying to recover. Thanks for commenting out on those points. I think the DNS part really needs something more general applicable to a broad set of users. I really appreciate the comments and I will soon write the edited version. Meanwhile I am trying to work on Docbook XML part as I am new to it. Will soon be coming out with some great stuff. Thanks. Deependra Singh Shekhawat On Fri, 2007-07-06 at 22:34 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > ok, i will start testing this info asap. then i'll report back any > success/issues/ideas. thnx again. > > 2007/7/6, Karsten Wade : > On Thu, 2007-07-05 at 20:06 +0300, cornel panceac wrote: > > _very_ interesting for the ones (like me) wich have to live > with > > windows machines, also may be interesting to see docs on > connecting > > fedora workstations to windows active directory. also the > dns part is > > _very_ interesting too. > > Glad you are interested; please keep your eyes open here for > later > versions so you can test the doc (peer edit). > > > thank you very much. is there a link to the guide? i have > not seen it > > on bugzilla. > > This is what was linked originally; note the other caveats > Deependra > makes: > > > 2007/7/5, Deependra Singh Shekhawat : > > > If someone like to see the edited version I have it > at the > > moment in > > openoffice.org format at > > http://freeshells.ch/~source/smbldap-f7-howto.odt > > > -- > Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation > Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. > | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > \\\\\\\\\ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most importantly the parts on how > to configure a Windows client and using yum to install and update the > required software. Also this guide covers on howto get a master DNS > server up and running because DNS must be working for this thing to > work. > > So far I have managed to configure Windows 2000 Professional client (and > it's working great) as I don't have Windows XP machine at the moment but > will soon be doing that. > > I want to have cvs access so that I can start uploading the source xml. > If someone like to see the edited version I have it at the moment in > openoffice.org format at > http://freeshells.ch/~source/smbldap-f7-howto.odt > > Will soon be going to port it into Docbook and according to the > fedoraproject Docs Writing guidelines. > > Thanks > Deependra Singh Shekhawat > Cool. I remember helping with this when David first did it. I'll check over the latest version if that's ok with everyone. Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E ghenry at suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 10 21:32:58 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:32:58 -0700 Subject: samba+ldap tutorial on fedora7 In-Reply-To: <48980.212.159.59.85.1184101337.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> References: <1183654439.25948.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48980.212.159.59.85.1184101337.squirrel@webmail.suretecsystems.com> Message-ID: <1184103178.31368.289.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 22:02 +0100, Gavin Henry wrote: > Cool. I remember helping with this when David first did it. I'll check > over the latest version if that's ok with everyone. +1 -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:46:01 -0400 Subject: Outdated docs package list page In-Reply-To: <4696B8F5.9080500@fedoraproject.org> References: <468CC33F.6090008@fedoraproject.org> <4696B8F5.9080500@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1184283961.32101.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 04:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Should either be removed or kept updated > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/package-list/ > > I am still seeing the main page though the actual package list was removed. Karsten did remove these from the repo: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-July/msg00014.html http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-July/msg00013.html This may require some manual surgery, one or more of: 1. trimming the package-list/ directory manually from the server 2. clearing any front-side cache, proxy, etc. 3. ensuring the server is not checking empty directories out (i.e. should it use 'cvs -P' option?) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 04:57 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > Should either be removed or kept updated > > > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/package-list/ > > > > I am still seeing the main page though the actual package list was removed. > > Karsten did remove these from the repo: > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-July/msg00014.html > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-July/msg00013.html I forgot to 'cvs tag -d LIVE' _before_ removing them. I just tried it this morning. So, this is still here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/package-list/ but this is not: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/docs/package-list/fc2/ So I just did: cvs tag -d LIVE package-list/index.php D package-list/index.php Hopefully it works. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From samfw at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 12:59:53 2007 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:59:53 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello to all folks there ...well Mustafa here from Pakistan. I am doing my > Bachelor's in software engineering right now. I started using Linux a year > ago when I did a system and network administration course on RHL 9. After > that I didn't got any chance to do something more with Linux. After that I > get familiarized with the Open Source theory and truly I loved it, so > that's > y I chose JAVA for jumping into professional programming career INSTEAD of > '.NET' bcoz i want to move on further with Linux. > > I m using FC 6 right now n when I came here I loved to c u all doing great > work here. I would also like to be a part of FC community but didn't know > where to start. I would love to work on Fedora documentation OR > internationalization project for URDU language support in Fedora but as > being a newbie at town I didn't know that how much knowledge is required to > get on work in a particular project. > > I will love to hear whatever you have to share for me. I will be more then > happy to get advice or comments or suggestions from u folks there. :) > Mustafa, Not sure if you got a reply on some of those other lists or not. Welcome! Glad to see you are interesting in contributing. To start with the docs team, why don't you take a look through this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join?action=show For Internationalization, see here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join Each team (docs, ambassadors, maintainers, infrastructure) has different ways of getting involved. Everyone depends to some extent on people finding something they are interested in and jumping in! Sam From alajal at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 13:33:27 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:33:27 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> Hello! Well I am new so i've some kidy questions. Hope u'll bear it. I didn't know the GPG theory but I want to ask that if I creats a GPG key on my system A then what to do if I wana work from my system B? i think i'll get a different GPG key on my system B, so will it effect on my existence in the community? OR if i had to re-install my F7 on systemA then can i resotre my previous GPG or have to creat a new GPG key?? expecting ur kind reply On 7/13/07, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > > Mustafa Qasim wrote: > > Hello to all folks there ...well Mustafa here from Pakistan. I am doing > my > > Bachelor's in software engineering right now. I started using Linux a > year > > ago when I did a system and network administration course on RHL 9. > After > > that I didn't got any chance to do something more with Linux. After that > I > > get familiarized with the Open Source theory and truly I loved it, so > > that's > > y I chose JAVA for jumping into professional programming career INSTEAD > of > > '.NET' bcoz i want to move on further with Linux. > > > > I m using FC 6 right now n when I came here I loved to c u all doing > great > > work here. I would also like to be a part of FC community but didn't > know > > where to start. I would love to work on Fedora documentation OR > > internationalization project for URDU language support in Fedora but as > > being a newbie at town I didn't know that how much knowledge is required > to > > get on work in a particular project. > > > > I will love to hear whatever you have to share for me. I will be more > then > > happy to get advice or comments or suggestions from u folks there. :) > > > > Mustafa, > > Not sure if you got a reply on some of those other lists or not. > Welcome! Glad to see you are interesting in contributing. To start with > the docs team, why don't you take a look through this page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join?action=show > > For Internationalization, see here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join > > Each team (docs, ambassadors, maintainers, infrastructure) has different > ways of getting involved. Everyone depends to some extent on people > finding something they are interested in and jumping in! > > Sam > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samfw at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 13:43:55 2007 From: samfw at redhat.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:43:55 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! > Well I am new so i've some kidy questions. Hope u'll bear it. I > didn't know the GPG theory but I want to ask that if I creats a GPG key on > my system A then what to do if I wana work from my system B? i think i'll > get a different GPG key on my system B, so will it effect on my > existence in > the community? OR if i had to re-install my F7 on systemA then can i > resotre > my previous GPG or have to creat a new GPG key?? > > expecting ur kind reply I just copy the .gnupg directory from your home directory to all your machines. There are probably other ways to export it as well. -Sam > > On 7/13/07, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: >> >> Mustafa Qasim wrote: >> > Hello to all folks there ...well Mustafa here from Pakistan. I am doing >> my >> > Bachelor's in software engineering right now. I started using Linux a >> year >> > ago when I did a system and network administration course on RHL 9. >> After >> > that I didn't got any chance to do something more with Linux. After >> that >> I >> > get familiarized with the Open Source theory and truly I loved it, so >> > that's >> > y I chose JAVA for jumping into professional programming career INSTEAD >> of >> > '.NET' bcoz i want to move on further with Linux. >> > >> > I m using FC 6 right now n when I came here I loved to c u all doing >> great >> > work here. I would also like to be a part of FC community but didn't >> know >> > where to start. I would love to work on Fedora documentation OR >> > internationalization project for URDU language support in Fedora but as >> > being a newbie at town I didn't know that how much knowledge is >> required >> to >> > get on work in a particular project. >> > >> > I will love to hear whatever you have to share for me. I will be more >> then >> > happy to get advice or comments or suggestions from u folks there. :) >> > >> >> Mustafa, >> >> Not sure if you got a reply on some of those other lists or not. >> Welcome! Glad to see you are interesting in contributing. To start with >> the docs team, why don't you take a look through this page: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join?action=show >> >> For Internationalization, see here: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join >> >> Each team (docs, ambassadors, maintainers, infrastructure) has different >> ways of getting involved. Everyone depends to some extent on people >> finding something they are interested in and jumping in! >> >> Sam >> >> -- >> fedora-docs-list mailing list >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list >> > > > From alajal at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:01:35 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:01:35 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> So, it means that by making a backup copy of my .gnupg directory (by the way where is it located) I can work from more then one computers? and also didn't need to re-create the key after a new installation. second that in my Wiki i didn;t have permission to create my introduction page? is this all procedure also required for editing wiki? and what for the users who want to work on translating wiki pages from Windows? thanx On 7/13/07, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > > Mustafa Qasim wrote: > > Hello! > > Well I am new so i've some kidy questions. Hope u'll bear it. I > > didn't know the GPG theory but I want to ask that if I creats a GPG > key on > > my system A then what to do if I wana work from my system B? i think > i'll > > get a different GPG key on my system B, so will it effect on my > > existence in > > the community? OR if i had to re-install my F7 on systemA then can i > > resotre > > my previous GPG or have to creat a new GPG key?? > > > > expecting ur kind reply > > I just copy the .gnupg directory from your home directory to all your > machines. There are probably other ways to export it as well. > > -Sam > > > > On 7/13/07, Sam Folk-Williams wrote: > >> > >> Mustafa Qasim wrote: > >> > Hello to all folks there ...well Mustafa here from Pakistan. I am > doing > >> my > >> > Bachelor's in software engineering right now. I started using Linux a > >> year > >> > ago when I did a system and network administration course on RHL 9. > >> After > >> > that I didn't got any chance to do something more with Linux. After > >> that > >> I > >> > get familiarized with the Open Source theory and truly I loved it, so > >> > that's > >> > y I chose JAVA for jumping into professional programming career > INSTEAD > >> of > >> > '.NET' bcoz i want to move on further with Linux. > >> > > >> > I m using FC 6 right now n when I came here I loved to c u all doing > >> great > >> > work here. I would also like to be a part of FC community but didn't > >> know > >> > where to start. I would love to work on Fedora documentation OR > >> > internationalization project for URDU language support in Fedora but > as > >> > being a newbie at town I didn't know that how much knowledge is > >> required > >> to > >> > get on work in a particular project. > >> > > >> > I will love to hear whatever you have to share for me. I will be more > >> then > >> > happy to get advice or comments or suggestions from u folks there. :) > >> > > >> > >> Mustafa, > >> > >> Not sure if you got a reply on some of those other lists or not. > >> Welcome! Glad to see you are interesting in contributing. To start with > >> the docs team, why don't you take a look through this page: > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join?action=show > >> > >> For Internationalization, see here: > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Join > >> > >> Each team (docs, ambassadors, maintainers, infrastructure) has > different > >> ways of getting involved. Everyone depends to some extent on people > >> finding something they are interested in and jumping in! > >> > >> Sam > >> > >> -- > >> fedora-docs-list mailing list > >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > >> To unsubscribe: > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > >> > > > > > > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samavedam.vijay at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:21:09 2007 From: samavedam.vijay at gmail.com (samavedam vijay) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:51:09 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26c6e1310707130721l5d44b94dwc12a701bf9f60076@mail.gmail.com> i want to ask a question iam also a great admirer of fedora and i have created a gpg key how do i proceed and how do i join the community pls sujjest ps:gpg key has been created -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alajal at gmail.com Fri Jul 13 14:32:41 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:32:41 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <26c6e1310707130721l5d44b94dwc12a701bf9f60076@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <26c6e1310707130721l5d44b94dwc12a701bf9f60076@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707130732k4781cc8saef0a54476ee1ff5@mail.gmail.com> well buddy! i think your next step is creating a fedora project account.. have alook here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList On 7/13/07, samavedam vijay wrote: > > i want to ask a question iam also a great admirer of fedora and i have > created a gpg key how do i proceed and how do i join the community pls > sujjest > ps:gpg key has been created > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 16:08:17 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:08:17 -0700 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 20:01 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > So, it means that by making a backup copy of my .gnupg directory (by > the way where is it located) I can work from more then one computers? > and also didn't need to re-create the key after a new installation. Yes. The .gnupg directory is in our home directory (called ~/). So, if your username on your local machine is 'mustafa': /home/mustafa/.gnupg Which is the same as ~/.gnupg ... The .directories are hidden by default. On the command line, 'ls -a' shows them. Nautilus has a setting to show or hide them. > second that in my Wiki i didn;t have permission to create my > introduction page? is this all procedure also required for editing > wiki? and what for the users who want to work on translating wiki > pages from Windows? We still have a procedure to manually add people to EditGroup. What is your account system name and your Wiki username? One of us can add you to the EditGroup page. The procedure for translating Wiki pages is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Wikipages - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 20:04:48 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:04:48 -0700 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes Message-ID: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> I captured the below questions and answers during a chat with Jon Steffan (daMaestro) today. Jon is building our next generation publishing system. It will make it very easy for _all_ of us to write, edit, translate, and publish using our favorite tools. It will be 1000x better than our current publication method on docs.fedoraproject.org. To open, I'll answer Jon's questions and my answers to him, then give the rest of everything so you can put in your answers and thoughts and questions. == Jon's Questions == Jon is working on some diagrams, and his pretty pictures depend on our answers. 1) assuming we *can* do full staging (ie .. what has been rendered stays live until another render is issued); what is the default state for the edit? draft? ## KW - I think a default of 'draft' makes sense; that way we don't lock the document for editing until we really mean it. 2) at the published state... do we *force* a stage (eg.. you can't edit the published.. (well.. you *can* but you really just edit a clone that is a staged version) ## Clarification -- staging in this case means, changes to a document are not shown live until the workflow on the new staged version is complete ## KW - Yes, I think so. As long as an admin can force an update to content via some reasonable method for the rare occasions (defacing, security risk, data risk, etc.), I think it is reasonable to keep a document published until it has passed through a QA and translation stage. 3) at draft, i assume all members can edit ## KW - Yes. We want all members of Fedora Docs to be able to edit in this workflow. 4) at stable, i assume only key members can edit... and this is where we go to translations ## KW - This makes sense. Translators find mistakes or have questions/clarifications for the original; an editor or original owner needs to be able to fix those and push the content back for translation (generate a new POT, alert translators with open PO files, whatever.) How much of this can be done through Plone? Through CVS? 5) "rendering" ... aka making all languages available (that we have translations for at least) is staged and the external rendering engine (some simple python xmlrpc daemon that handles heavy lifting and security sensitive stuff) is what actually does the push into the zodb (plone content) for the live version we can render whenever we want ## KW - We cooked up this idea the other day on IRC, talking with other Infrastructure folks. This lets us off-load riskier and more intensive operations to back-end services. Front-end Plone doesn't have to deal with committing to CVS or rendering XML to HTML and PDF. 6) does *every* edit go back into CVS.. or do we want to have inner plone staging with another state that is "commit" ... so we have to exclusively commit back to CVS ## KW - once a document is in our custom workflow, it should have all edits go to CVS. For example, a writer or editor/reviewer needs to be able to open the document as a direct file in their $editor. All edits have to be synced to the same control management, once it is in formal document space. Not formal doc space == Wiki, personal Plone space, fedorapeople.org Formal doc space == XML builds into HTML hosted via a CMS (Plone) == More Notes == Staging == the ability to edit a new version of a document while the old version stays "live" and viewable to the public. Free drafting happens in the personal Plone space -- default workflow[2], no constraints, show others, peer review, etc. When a writer is first ready for a review/editor, they use the default workflow[2] to put it in an editor's queue for review. The editor(s) and writer(s) can use this to go back and forth until they are satisfied they have a document ready for publication. The default workflow state of 'published' is a good starting point for a document that is ready to go into CVS and the formal Fedora Docs workflow[1]. Content could also come in from other sources, such as the Wiki (through CVS), from CVS, or from a Plone document. Once in the workflow, a document moves from draft to stable. Stable is where translations occur. Anywhere along the way, a document can be rendered and committed to CVS. Staging works here by letting us keep a live version from updating without it first being translated. This keeps documents from being out of sync. Remember, this is all for our formal, published documents. This is where content goes after we do lots of collaboration on writing it via our favorite $editor program, which could be Plone or it could be vi or it could be the Wiki. Docs/Beats => release notes is the model we are following. [1] == Fedora Docs Custom Workflow == 'draft' - new content 'commit' - committed to CVS 'stable' - ready for translation 'render' - offload rendering of XML in all $lang 'published' - grab render and publish More details coming, based on answers to our questions. [2] == Default Workflow == Default roles: owner - owns the document (wrote it) reviewer - reviews and edits the document manager - full permissions to the documents of the people they manage The default workflow looks like this: 'private' (only owner can edit and see) [and managers] 'public draft' (everyone can see, owner can edit) [managers can always do whatever] 'submitted' (reviewers can edit, owner can not, everyone can view) 'published' (everyone can see) 'revoked' [from submitted] gives edit rights back to owner 'rejected' [from submitted] moves back so owner can edit, with a notice of rejection and why ... and a few other things most of that will be customized to some degree -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jon at fedoraunity.org Fri Jul 13 22:05:25 2007 From: jon at fedoraunity.org (Jonathan Steffan) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:05:25 -0600 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1184364325.2826.3.camel@damaestrojr> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 13:04 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > I captured the below questions and answers during a chat with Jon > Steffan (daMaestro) today. Jon is building our next generation > publishing system. It will make it very easy for _all_ of us to write, > edit, translate, and publish using our favorite tools. It will be 1000x > better than our current publication method on docs.fedoraproject.org. > > To open, I'll answer Jon's questions and my answers to him, then give > the rest of everything so you can put in your answers and thoughts and > questions. > > == Jon's Questions == > > Jon is working on some diagrams, and his pretty pictures depend on our > answers. > > 1) assuming we *can* do full staging (ie .. what has been > rendered stays live until another render is issued); what is > the default state for the edit? draft? > > ## KW - I think a default of 'draft' makes sense; that way we > don't lock the document for editing until we really mean it. > > 2) at the published state... do we *force* a stage (eg.. you > can't edit the published.. (well.. you *can* but you really > just edit a clone that is a staged version) > > ## Clarification -- staging in this case means, changes to a > document are not shown live until the workflow on the new staged > version is complete > > ## KW - Yes, I think so. As long as an admin can force an > update to content via some reasonable method for the rare > occasions (defacing, security risk, data risk, etc.), I think it > is reasonable to keep a document published until it has passed > through a QA and translation stage. > > 3) at draft, i assume all members can edit > > ## KW - Yes. We want all members of Fedora Docs to be able to > edit in this workflow. > > 4) at stable, i assume only key members can edit... and this > is where we go to translations > > ## KW - This makes sense. Translators find mistakes or have > questions/clarifications for the original; an editor or original > owner needs to be able to fix those and push the content back > for translation (generate a new POT, alert translators with open > PO files, whatever.) How much of this can be done through > Plone? Through CVS? Translation is currently slated to go through the new translation system. All translations are pulled from CVS, none will be pushed back into CVS via plone... currently at least. > > 5) "rendering" ... aka making all languages available (that > we have translations for at least) is staged and the > external rendering engine (some simple python xmlrpc daemon > that handles heavy lifting and security sensitive stuff) is > what actually does the push into the zodb (plone content) > for the live version > we can render whenever we want > > ## KW - We cooked up this idea the other day on IRC, talking > with other Infrastructure folks. This lets us off-load riskier > and more intensive operations to back-end services. Front-end > Plone doesn't have to deal with committing to CVS or rendering > XML to HTML and PDF. PDF rendering could be done via plone gears. It would be rendering for a specific language and will be for the latest render in the ZODB (plone). > > 6) does *every* edit go back into CVS.. or do we want to > have inner plone staging with another state that is "commit" > ... so we have to exclusively commit back to CVS > > ## KW - once a document is in our custom workflow, it should > have all edits go to CVS. For example, a writer or > editor/reviewer needs to be able to open the document as a > direct file in their $editor. All edits have to be synced to > the same control management, once it is in formal document > space. This should be up for more discussion when in Draft. Some times it is just a small trivial edit and the change will be pushed to CVS when we move to "stable". > > Not formal doc space == Wiki, personal Plone space, > fedorapeople.org > > Formal doc space == XML builds into HTML hosted via a CMS > (Plone) > > == More Notes == > > Staging == the ability to edit a new version of a document while the old > version stays "live" and viewable to the public. > > Free drafting happens in the personal Plone space -- default > workflow[2], no constraints, show others, peer review, etc. > > When a writer is first ready for a review/editor, they use the default > workflow[2] to put it in an editor's queue for review. The editor(s) > and writer(s) can use this to go back and forth until they are satisfied > they have a document ready for publication. > > The default workflow state of 'published' is a good starting point for a > document that is ready to go into CVS and the formal Fedora Docs > workflow[1]. Content could also come in from other sources, such as the > Wiki (through CVS), from CVS, or from a Plone document. > > Once in the workflow, a document moves from draft to stable. Stable is > where translations occur. Anywhere along the way, a document can be > rendered and committed to CVS. > > Staging works here by letting us keep a live version from updating > without it first being translated. This keeps documents from being out > of sync. > > Remember, this is all for our formal, published documents. This is > where content goes after we do lots of collaboration on writing it via > our favorite $editor program, which could be Plone or it could be vi or > it could be the Wiki. Docs/Beats => release notes is the model we are > following. > > [1] > == Fedora Docs Custom Workflow == > > 'draft' - new content > 'commit' - committed to CVS > 'stable' - ready for translation > 'render' - offload rendering of XML in all $lang > 'published' - grab render and publish > > More details coming, based on answers to our questions. > > [2] > == Default Workflow == > > Default roles: > owner - owns the document (wrote it) > reviewer - reviews and edits the document > manager - full permissions to the documents of the people they manage > > The default workflow looks like this: > > 'private' (only owner can edit and see) [and managers] > 'public draft' (everyone can see, owner can edit) [managers can always > do whatever] > 'submitted' (reviewers can edit, owner can not, everyone can view) > 'published' (everyone can see) > 'revoked' [from submitted] gives edit rights back to owner > 'rejected' [from submitted] moves back so owner can edit, with a > notice of rejection and why > ... and a few other things > most of that will be customized to some degree I've attached the new draft diagram of what our workflow might come close to looking like. Expect more revisions but this should help clue people into the whole "workflow" system more. The latest worflow draft is "workflow2.png" ... I've attached old work so everyone can see. Jonathan Steffan daMaestro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: moin2plone.png Type: image/png Size: 142125 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: workflow.png Type: image/png Size: 99080 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: workflow2.png Type: image/png Size: 63192 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Jul 13 23:50:17 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:50:17 -0700 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184364325.2826.3.camel@damaestrojr> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> <1184364325.2826.3.camel@damaestrojr> Message-ID: <1184370617.31368.814.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 16:05 -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote: > This should be up for more discussion when in Draft. Some times it is > just a small trivial edit and the change will be pushed to CVS when we > move to "stable". Just remember that Plone is just another VCS user at this point. We could introduce conflicts in the file and have to manually merge. Presumably this would be a crazy thing for Plone to handle. Perhaps it can throw a warning when it gets CVS conflicts, telling the user to fix it manually. If Plone can expose the file for manual fixes, that's fine too. > I've attached the new draft diagram of what our workflow might come > close to looking like. Expect more revisions but this should help clue > people into the whole "workflow" system more. The latest worflow draft > is "workflow2.png" ... I've attached old work so everyone can see. Friends - it is definitely time for some input. Most of you will use this new system to publish documents. Many of us will write with this system. If we do this correctly, everything we do will be 10x easier and 10x better. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alajal at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 13:50:40 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:50:40 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> Hello! M there at wiki as MustafaQasim. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MustafaQasim So, only wiki translation is the only project of its nature that allows to work from Windows also. Yep it makes sense that it didn't matter you r on Windows or Linux or Mac. On 7/13/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 20:01 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > > So, it means that by making a backup copy of my .gnupg directory (by > > the way where is it located) I can work from more then one computers? > > and also didn't need to re-create the key after a new installation. > > Yes. The .gnupg directory is in our home directory (called ~/). So, if > your username on your local machine is 'mustafa': > > /home/mustafa/.gnupg > > Which is the same as ~/.gnupg ... > > The .directories are hidden by default. On the command line, 'ls -a' > shows them. Nautilus has a setting to show or hide them. > > > second that in my Wiki i didn;t have permission to create my > > introduction page? is this all procedure also required for editing > > wiki? and what for the users who want to work on translating wiki > > pages from Windows? > > We still have a procedure to manually add people to EditGroup. What is > your account system name and your Wiki username? One of us can add you > to the EditGroup page. > > The procedure for translating Wiki pages is here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Wikipages > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project > Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject > quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 > ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Jul 14 16:23:04 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 09:23:04 -0700 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 19:50 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! > M there at wiki as MustafaQasim. > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MustafaQasim > > So, only wiki translation is the only project of its nature that > allows to work from Windows also. Yep it makes sense that it didn't > matter you r on Windows or Linux or Mac. This guide is out of date: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ It tells how to translate using PO editing tools under Windows. This lets you translate software and documentation in Linux. That document was written by the translation team. If you find it useful but it needs corrections, please file bug reports under Fedora Documentation > translation-windows component. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alajal at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 17:46:45 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:46:45 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707141046h686266b2s55270aec6bde08fb@mail.gmail.com> > > We still have a procedure to manually add people to EditGroup. What is > your account system name and your Wiki username? One of us can add you > to the EditGroup page. Hello! Sir Karsten Wade did you allowed me to edit wiki. Still I couldn't make my Self Introduction Page. I didn't have right there to edit. And your link doesn't work http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ expecting you kind reply ASAP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 17:49:14 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 13:49:14 -0400 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1184435354.26776.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 13:04 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > I captured the below questions and answers during a chat with Jon > Steffan (daMaestro) today. Jon is building our next generation > publishing system. It will make it very easy for _all_ of us to write, > edit, translate, and publish using our favorite tools. It will be 1000x > better than our current publication method on docs.fedoraproject.org. > > To open, I'll answer Jon's questions and my answers to him, then give > the rest of everything so you can put in your answers and thoughts and > questions. > > == Jon's Questions == > > Jon is working on some diagrams, and his pretty pictures depend on our > answers. > > 1) assuming we *can* do full staging (ie .. what has been > rendered stays live until another render is issued); what is > the default state for the edit? draft? > > ## KW - I think a default of 'draft' makes sense; that way we > don't lock the document for editing until we really mean it. +1 > 2) at the published state... do we *force* a stage (eg.. you > can't edit the published.. (well.. you *can* but you really > just edit a clone that is a staged version) > > ## Clarification -- staging in this case means, changes to a > document are not shown live until the workflow on the new staged > version is complete So it's kind of like a private branch that gets merged back to (or replaces) the live version, if I get your drift. > ## KW - Yes, I think so. As long as an admin can force an > update to content via some reasonable method for the rare > occasions (defacing, security risk, data risk, etc.), I think it > is reasonable to keep a document published until it has passed > through a QA and translation stage. This gives us the flexibility of "right away publishing" from wikiland but with better possibilities for l10n, PDF, etc.? OK, I'm down with that. > 3) at draft, i assume all members can edit > > ## KW - Yes. We want all members of Fedora Docs to be able to > edit in this workflow. +1 > 4) at stable, i assume only key members can edit... and this > is where we go to translations > > ## KW - This makes sense. Translators find mistakes or have > questions/clarifications for the original; an editor or original > owner needs to be able to fix those and push the content back > for translation (generate a new POT, alert translators with open > PO files, whatever.) How much of this can be done through > Plone? Through CVS? The more we can do through Plone, the easier it will be for non-techies to help with documentation. That's a major blocker for our subproject right now -- I suspect there are people out there who can correct grammar and write good standard English, but who are frightened of doing CVS because they think they might irreparably break something. (A silly or at least misplaced fear, but you have to respect the fact that they care.) So if they can do this with a pleasant, or at least comprehensible, web interface, that's a win in my book. > 5) "rendering" ... aka making all languages available (that > we have translations for at least) is staged and the > external rendering engine (some simple python xmlrpc daemon > that handles heavy lifting and security sensitive stuff) is > what actually does the push into the zodb (plone content) > for the live version > we can render whenever we want > > ## KW - We cooked up this idea the other day on IRC, talking > with other Infrastructure folks. This lets us off-load riskier > and more intensive operations to back-end services. Front-end > Plone doesn't have to deal with committing to CVS or rendering > XML to HTML and PDF. Yes, we certainly don't want Plone to become unresponsive every time the CVS server is busy. :-) I could see being able to email people results, such as a PDF document, might be useful or desirable some day. > 6) does *every* edit go back into CVS.. or do we want to > have inner plone staging with another state that is "commit" > ... so we have to exclusively commit back to CVS > > ## KW - once a document is in our custom workflow, it should > have all edits go to CVS. For example, a writer or > editor/reviewer needs to be able to open the document as a > direct file in their $editor. All edits have to be synced to > the same control management, once it is in formal document > space. > > Not formal doc space == Wiki, personal Plone space, > fedorapeople.org > > Formal doc space == XML builds into HTML hosted via a CMS > (Plone) Right. Part of the reason we want this is for good interaction with Dimitris' DL work, where fixes can be detected visually by L10N'ers... or by people who like detecting automagically against fedora-docs-commits. This does mean we have to get the Kupu-fu right, or at least to a point where people like Karsten, me, Dimitris, John, et al., can add styles to Kupu as needed to support all elements we use in DocBook XML. [...snip...] -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alajal at gmail.com Sat Jul 14 18:29:49 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:29:49 +0600 Subject: problem while sending gpg key to mit key server In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707141054v75952077jde0c0bd108b132b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707140715n7905415ew19a1026bd547031f@mail.gmail.com> <4698E4AC.2060305@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707140805u10c2f95euf7d291888e58462a@mail.gmail.com> <4698E94E.3000706@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707140824t37820f29q27c41e6daedbfe8c@mail.gmail.com> <2c21bbf00707140839v32b992f6ia4f065b8fbde0d8b@mail.gmail.com> <4698FA11.7090507@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707141054v75952077jde0c0bd108b132b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707141129h6fc5be8fp3122610ddd6b8748@mail.gmail.com> Hello! All folks there. I need some help in completing my joining process. I am stuck at the "Sending gpg key to mit key server" point. I am starting the story from start because this time I am including some other group's address in TO field. I studied the Joining Check list page and perform the tasks given there. 1)Introduced my self a couple of days ago. 2) Created the ssh key 3) Created the gpg key (Take a backup of both ~/.ssh and ~/.gnupg directories) 4) Created the Bugzilla account 5) Tried to sent the gpg key to mit server thjrough the command given in the Check list gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID But at this stage it gives connection time out error. I went to gpg.mit.edu through firefox and read that we can also submit the key by pasting the ASCII of our key on their page. But i couldn't extract the ASCII by the export command gpg --export --armor alajal at gmail.com > mykey.txt it returns gpg: WARNING: nothing exported So please help me to get out of this problem. -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Jul 14 23:18:51 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:18:51 -0700 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184435354.26776.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> <1184435354.26776.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1184455131.26011.38.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 13:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > ## Clarification -- staging in this case means, changes to a > > document are not shown live until the workflow on the new staged > > version is complete > > So it's kind of like a private branch that gets merged back to (or > replaces) the live version, if I get your drift. That is a fairly good analogy. > > ## KW - Yes, I think so. As long as an admin can force an > > update to content via some reasonable method for the rare > > occasions (defacing, security risk, data risk, etc.), I think it > > is reasonable to keep a document published until it has passed > > through a QA and translation stage. > > This gives us the flexibility of "right away publishing" from wikiland > but with better possibilities for l10n, PDF, etc.? OK, I'm down with > that. Well, not really the flexibility for normal cases. That is, a document can be visible at various stages in its workflow, but whether fresh changes are shown lives depends on which stage it is and what it has to go through to be live. The idea is, the closer you get to a final, formal publishing (to docs.fp.o/document-name/), the more restrictive each succeeding workflow step is. Early draft flows easily, but once you start to e.g. get things being translated, it is more difficult (in terms of process, not tools) to make an edit. > > 3) at draft, i assume all members can edit > > > > ## KW - Yes. We want all members of Fedora Docs to be able to > > edit in this workflow. > > +1 > > > 4) at stable, i assume only key members can edit... and this > > is where we go to translations > > > > ## KW - This makes sense. Translators find mistakes or have > > questions/clarifications for the original; an editor or original > > owner needs to be able to fix those and push the content back > > for translation (generate a new POT, alert translators with open > > PO files, whatever.) How much of this can be done through > > Plone? Through CVS? > > The more we can do through Plone, the easier it will be for non-techies > to help with documentation. That's a major blocker for our subproject > right now -- I suspect there are people out there who can correct > grammar and write good standard English, but who are frightened of doing > CVS because they think they might irreparably break something. (A silly > or at least misplaced fear, but you have to respect the fact that they > care.) So if they can do this with a pleasant, or at least > comprehensible, web interface, that's a win in my book. +1 This particular question around translators might be a bit different. By the time a translator has found an error, the content is in the 'stable' workflow state, and resolution needs to be handled by a more experienced team member (editor, writer) with sufficient permissions. A decision has to be made (via bugzilla, mailing list) and a new POT pushed (if needed), then some social work has to be done (alert translators via mailing list, in addition to any workflow alerts they receive.) In some cases, the error report was on a mailing list, where the solution gets worked out, and the thread needs to be closed. So, there is going to be complexity and 'harder' here because of the number of people affected. But I do agree that the tooling shouldn't be difficult to match -- i.e., don't make an editor drop to the CLI to handle this. BUT -- the editor should be able to do this from the CLI (cvs + Jon's daemon). And there should be sufficient checks-and-balances to ensure other contributors are not walked on by the changes. :) > Yes, we certainly don't want Plone to become unresponsive every time the > CVS server is busy. :-) I could see being able to email people results, > such as a PDF document, might be useful or desirable some day. This is essentially the autobuild server I was asking about. It can be hacked on to do all sorts of stuff we might find useful. For example, I'd like RelEng to be able to trigger a build and staging of all they need for packages that have content originating in /cvs/docs (such as the release notes, but could be parts of /usr/share/doc/, etc.). > > 6) does *every* edit go back into CVS.. or do we want to > > have inner plone staging with another state that is "commit" > > ... so we have to exclusively commit back to CVS > > > > ## KW - once a document is in our custom workflow, it should > > have all edits go to CVS. For example, a writer or > > editor/reviewer needs to be able to open the document as a > > direct file in their $editor. All edits have to be synced to > > the same control management, once it is in formal document > > space. > > > > Not formal doc space == Wiki, personal Plone space, > > fedorapeople.org > > > > Formal doc space == XML builds into HTML hosted via a CMS > > (Plone) > > Right. Part of the reason we want this is for good interaction with > Dimitris' DL work, where fixes can be detected visually by L10N'ers... > or by people who like detecting automagically against > fedora-docs-commits. Detected one time and searched for in multiple instances? http://translate.fedoraproject.org/search > This does mean we have to get the Kupu-fu right, > or at least to a point where people like Karsten, me, Dimitris, John, et > al., can add styles to Kupu as needed to support all elements we use in > DocBook XML. This is interesting to ponder. We'll have to first decide how we are going from XHTML => XML, then test what that does with the various styles. I reckon we can do a fair bit with CSS classes. Might need a bit of custom work in between (XHTML => XML w/ classes => XML) to interpret the classes into the specific XML elements. Or, you know, maybe it will have been done by someone already? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Jul 15 07:43:50 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 00:43:50 -0700 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707141046h686266b2s55270aec6bde08fb@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707141046h686266b2s55270aec6bde08fb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184485431.26011.59.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 23:46 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! Sir Karsten Wade did you allowed me to edit wiki. Still I > couldn't make my Self Introduction Page. I didn't have right there to > edit. You still need to sign the contributor license agreement (CLA); that is required for wiki edit, and the only way we have right now is to have you sign the CLA with your GPG key. Have you done 'Request the Contributor License Agreement' from here? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ > And your link doesn't work > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ Hmm ... it's working for me. I'm not using any special proxy that might interfere. Can anyone else see/not see that page? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 14:03:54 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:03:54 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <1184485431.26011.59.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <46977749.3040000@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707141046h686266b2s55270aec6bde08fb@mail.gmail.com> <1184485431.26011.59.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1184508234.25979.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 00:43 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 23:46 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > > > Hello! Sir Karsten Wade did you allowed me to edit wiki. Still I > > couldn't make my Self Introduction Page. I didn't have right there to > > edit. > > You still need to sign the contributor license agreement (CLA); that is > required for wiki edit, and the only way we have right now is to have > you sign the CLA with your GPG key. > > Have you done 'Request the Contributor License Agreement' from here? > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ > > > > And your link doesn't work > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ > > Hmm ... it's working for me. I'm not using any special proxy that might > interfere. > > Can anyone else see/not see that page? I can see it too. I noted this document is *WAY* out of conformance to standards, both in language and in the actual CVS file structures. I've fixed the latter this morning and will look at the former later this week. It probably needs some actual revision in the information it's conveying, especially in light of Dimitris' fine work on translate.fp.o. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From alajal at gmail.com Sun Jul 15 15:53:32 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:53:32 +0600 Subject: Self Introduction - Where Do I Start? In-Reply-To: <1184508234.25979.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <2c21bbf00707100618r25dfc013mb302a79b73dcc107@mail.gmail.com> <2c21bbf00707130633i37f67fd7n369bb7c63e6694e8@mail.gmail.com> <4697819B.3080409@redhat.com> <2c21bbf00707130701i216f061fy5819ce0cac8e4eed@mail.gmail.com> <1184342897.31368.679.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707140650g52b37fe4m8ee2f8be33913309@mail.gmail.com> <1184430184.31368.846.camel@erato.phig.org> <2c21bbf00707141046h686266b2s55270aec6bde08fb@mail.gmail.com> <1184485431.26011.59.camel@erato.phig.org> <1184508234.25979.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00707150853x75c2267bv25ddd0f02a85e946@mail.gmail.com> On 7/15/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 00:43 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 23:46 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > > > > > Hello! Sir Karsten Wade did you allowed me to edit wiki. Still I > > > couldn't make my Self Introduction Page. I didn't have right there to > > > edit. > > > > You still need to sign the contributor license agreement (CLA); that is > > required for wiki edit, and the only way we have right now is to have > > you sign the CLA with your GPG key. > > > > Have you done 'Request the Contributor License Agreement' from here? > > > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ > > > > > > > And your link doesn't work > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ > > > > Hmm ... it's working for me. I'm not using any special proxy that might > > interfere. > > > > Can anyone else see/not see that page? > > I can see it too. I noted this document is *WAY* out of conformance to > standards, both in language and in the actual CVS file structures. I've > fixed the latter this morning and will look at the former later this > week. It probably needs some actual revision in the information it's > conveying, especially in light of Dimitris' fine work on translate.fp.o. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > Well, I don't know why but everything is going fine expect my sending my gpg key to keyserver and opening this page http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ . -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 17 09:27:31 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:27:31 -0700 Subject: problem while sending gpg key to mit key server In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00707141129h6fc5be8fp3122610ddd6b8748@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00707140715n7905415ew19a1026bd547031f@mail.gmail.com> <4698E4AC.2060305@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707140805u10c2f95euf7d291888e58462a@mail.gmail.com> <4698E94E.3000706@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707140824t37820f29q27c41e6daedbfe8c@mail.gmail.com> <2c21bbf00707140839v32b992f6ia4f065b8fbde0d8b@mail.gmail.com> <4698FA11.7090507@infinity-ltd.com> <2c21bbf00707141054v75952077jde0c0bd108b132b8@mail.gmail.com> <2c21bbf00707141129h6fc5be8fp3122610ddd6b8748@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184664451.26011.462.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2007-07-15 at 00:29 +0600, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! All folks there. I need some help in completing my joining > process. I am stuck at the "Sending gpg key to mit key server" point. > I am starting the story from start because this time I am including > some other group's address in TO field. Please don't cross-post. Splitting the conversation between lists that way means wasted time for other members and no archive has a complete answer for others to learn from. No worries if you didn't know it was a problem to cross-post; after all, if no one ever told you, how were to find out? ;-) > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID What is your GPG key ID? > gpg --export --armor alajal at gmail.com > mykey.txt > > it returns > gpg: WARNING: nothing exported Do you get your key and etc. if you do: gpg --finger alajal Like this: gpg --finger quaid pub 1024D/AD0E0C41 2003-11-26 Key fingerprint = 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E 0C41 uid Karsten G. Wade (quaid|phig) uid Karsten Wade uid Quaid sub 1024g/C07806E8 2003-11-26 - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 13:52:03 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:52:03 -0400 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184455131.26011.38.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> <1184435354.26776.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1184455131.26011.38.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1184680323.13080.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-07-14 at 16:18 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: [...snip...] > > > 4) at stable, i assume only key members can edit... and this > > > is where we go to translations > > > > > > ## KW - This makes sense. Translators find mistakes or have > > > questions/clarifications for the original; an editor or original > > > owner needs to be able to fix those and push the content back > > > for translation (generate a new POT, alert translators with open > > > PO files, whatever.) How much of this can be done through > > > Plone? Through CVS? > > > > The more we can do through Plone, the easier it will be for non-techies > > to help with documentation. That's a major blocker for our subproject > > right now -- I suspect there are people out there who can correct > > grammar and write good standard English, but who are frightened of doing > > CVS because they think they might irreparably break something. (A silly > > or at least misplaced fear, but you have to respect the fact that they > > care.) So if they can do this with a pleasant, or at least > > comprehensible, web interface, that's a win in my book. > > +1 > > This particular question around translators might be a bit different. > By the time a translator has found an error, the content is in the > 'stable' workflow state, and resolution needs to be handled by a more > experienced team member (editor, writer) with sufficient permissions. A > decision has to be made (via bugzilla, mailing list) and a new POT > pushed (if needed), then some social work has to be done (alert > translators via mailing list, in addition to any workflow alerts they > receive.) In some cases, the error report was on a mailing list, where > the solution gets worked out, and the thread needs to be closed. > > So, there is going to be complexity and 'harder' here because of the > number of people affected. But I do agree that the tooling shouldn't be > difficult to match -- i.e., don't make an editor drop to the CLI to > handle this. BUT -- the editor should be able to do this from the CLI > (cvs + Jon's daemon). And there should be sufficient > checks-and-balances to ensure other contributors are not walked on by > the changes. :) How hard would it be for published/stable documents to have a standard toolbar such as "Report Problem" -> Bugzilla autofilled entry? And a POT push, for example, should trigger something automagically from the trans.fp.o app, right? I would think it's a good idea to cut down on multiplicity of error threading (mailing list, IRC, etc.) in favor of single channels that have wide reporting flexibility for subscribers. As a doc maintainer, I don't want to have to figure out which of four ways to "close out" an error report -- everything should go through Bugzilla, whether or not the reporter interacts with it initially in that particular way. Rather than making anyone join or post on a mailing list, the document should offer an easy way to report problems. > > Right. Part of the reason we want this is for good interaction with > > Dimitris' DL work, where fixes can be detected visually by L10N'ers... > > or by people who like detecting automagically against > > fedora-docs-commits. > > Detected one time and searched for in multiple instances? > > http://translate.fedoraproject.org/search I was talking just about simply detecting changes by looking at the completion graphs, but this is cool too. > > This does mean we have to get the Kupu-fu right, > > or at least to a point where people like Karsten, me, Dimitris, John, et > > al., can add styles to Kupu as needed to support all elements we use in > > DocBook XML. > > This is interesting to ponder. We'll have to first decide how we are > going from XHTML => XML, then test what that does with the various > styles. I reckon we can do a fair bit with CSS classes. Might need a > bit of custom work in between (XHTML => XML w/ classes => XML) to > interpret the classes into the specific XML elements. Or, you know, > maybe it will have been done by someone already? I would think that CSS classes would take care of this nicely, i.e.
My Foo My foo is nice. I like foo. So will you.
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-- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 17 16:23:27 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 09:23:27 -0700 Subject: help define our workflow, other notes In-Reply-To: <1184364325.2826.3.camel@damaestrojr> References: <1184357088.31368.748.camel@erato.phig.org> <1184364325.2826.3.camel@damaestrojr> Message-ID: <1184689407.26011.497.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 16:05 -0600, Jonathan Steffan wrote: > I've attached the new draft diagram of what our workflow might come > close to looking like. Expect more revisions but this should help clue > people into the whole "workflow" system more. The latest worflow draft > is "workflow2.png" ... I've attached old work so everyone can see. Let's move to ratification of these workflows. Any remaining questions? One of Jon's questions from the diagram is, "Where do we stage already-published documents for editing?" That is, where does it go in the workflow. I reckon we go to stable -- limited number of editors allowed and tight integration with l10n at that point. This way bug fixes can be done, translated, and updated. Otherwise, we typically save major rewrites for the next version. This follows the Fedora model - maintenance and some advancement on the old version, but most focus is on the next version. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob? 09:07 < quaid> many, quiet around here ... 09:09 < jmbuser> KC0WYC: ping 09:09 < quaid> jmbuser: so, what did you think? are you familiar with content workflows like that? 09:10 < jmbuser> quaid: Yes, I am 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I like most of it - I prefer to reserve staging for things waiting to be put into production 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I prefer calling it something else 09:12 < jmbuser> quaid: Similar to developing code in large shops 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: test / staging / production for coding 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: draft / CVS storage / published for docs... something like that 09:14 < jmbuser> quaid: Is that just semantics? 09:14 -!- EvilBob [n=bob at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined #Fedora-Docs 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: kind of 09:15 < jmbuser> quaid: Then, treat it accordingly :-) 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: it might be Plone usage, in which case it is easier to accept than to reeducate at every turn 09:16 < quaid> at least, I got from daMaestro that it was plone language, but I could be wrong 09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: I can live with that 09:16 * quaid is glad that someone else who understands content workflows is doing a sanity check 09:17 < quaid> our point is to make it possible for 10x the people to be publishers, so it should all be easier in the end 09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:17 < quaid> I think stickster_work made his points on list 09:19 -!- rlingk [n=devnull at pat1.orbitz.net] has joined #fedora-docs 09:20 * quaid finishes looking at the diagrams again 09:20 < quaid> I think we can push for a ratification on list 09:21 < jmbuser> quaid: What gives me hope is that someone who is a translator is working on it, so he gets it and takes it into account 09:23 < jmbuser> quaid: Not to diminish the contribution of us monolinguists 09:23 < quaid> hey, if this was any other part of Fedora, they'd probably forget l10n 09:23 < quaid> ok, email sent on that subject requesting final questions and/or ratification 09:24 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:24 < quaid> ok, on to the next item .. 09:24 < quaid> http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/16/weekly-report-week-28/ 09:25 < quaid> just to get vpv's report into the record :) 09:26 < vpv> I'm here. As you can see, there are some problems, but they should be manageable 09:26 < quaid> vpv: no worries, you seem to have it handled; 09:26 < quaid> vpv: are you getting the kind of responses you need on f-devel-l? 09:27 < quaid> I'm wondering if some tips about e.g. XMLRPC might be useful 09:28 < vpv> right now I really don't need thay much more than coding ;) 09:28 < quaid> yeah, that is a good call 09:28 < quaid> worry about performance later :) 09:28 < jmbuser> vpv: Do you have a way to parse "info" now? 09:29 < vpv> probably the only way to solve the XMLRPC slowness would be profiling, since the calls are correct and they work... 09:29 < vpv> jmbuser: the only way I've come up with is to download upstream sources from CVS 09:29 < vpv> or optionally from SRPM repos 09:30 < vpv> since I haven't found or there might not even be an info -> DocBook XML converter 09:30 * quaid doubts there is 09:30 < quaid> would probably make TeX fans roll over in their chairs 09:31 -!- rlingk [n=devnull at pat1.orbitz.net] has left #fedora-docs ["Leaving"] 09:32 < quaid> ok, then ... 09:33 < quaid> vpv: anything you can think that will make it _easier_ on you, let me know, I might be able to help :) 09:33 < quaid> moving on ... 09:33 < vpv> ok :) 09:33 < quaid> election planning ... 09:34 < quaid> just making sure we don't get behind there, I think we're ok 09:34 < quaid> that and guide talk ... 09:35 < quaid> jmbuser: with your limited availability, how can we have your time be able to help the other writers contribute/finish the DUG? 09:35 * quaid ponders this for himself _all_the_time_ 09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: Were my tasks useful or should I break them down further? 09:36 < quaid> jmbuser: good question, let me look at them that way ... 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: ok, seems reasonable for now 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: maybe some more chatter on the list? 09:38 < quaid> people often have a "sudden few hours", are reading their lists, and if there is a fresh request, they are more likely to dive into it 09:38 < quaid> so, if the "tasks are updated, have at it" sits for a few weeks ... 09:39 < quaid> maybe people wonder if it is still happening? etc. 09:39 < jmbuser> quaid: I can post to the list and update my blog more often 09:39 < quaid> jmbuser: like I said, trying to think of, "If John only has 10 minutes for Fedora Docs today/this week/etc., what is a way he can have a bigger impact than e.g. editing a paragraph." 09:40 < jmbuser> quaid: Things are finally getting under control at work 09:40 < quaid> that's good 09:41 * quaid is going more out of control :) 09:41 < jmbuser> quaid: I would have to say that defining tasks and promoting greater participation... 09:41 < quaid> jmbuser: just a 'leadership thinking' idea I'm passing along, that's all; I often find myself doing something small and silly just to be doing something, and I try to remember to think of an overarching way I can make a difference. 09:42 < jmbuser> quaid: would be a good use of my time right now 09:42 < quaid> for example, if I didn't read that post but instead wrote up our minutes ... 09:42 < quaid> jmbuser: sounds great; let's find a way to make that chatter on the list, too 09:42 < quaid> ok, that's all of that for me 09:42 < quaid> anything else from anyone else? 09:43 < quaid> ok, closing the meeting in 30 seconds ... 09:44 -!- nman64 [n=n-man at fedora/nman64] has joined #fedora-docs 09:44 < jmbuser> +1 09:49 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob? 09:07 < quaid> many, quiet around here ... 09:09 < jmbuser> KC0WYC: ping 09:09 < quaid> jmbuser: so, what did you think? are you familiar with content workflows like that? 09:10 < jmbuser> quaid: Yes, I am 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I like most of it - I prefer to reserve staging for things waiting to be put into production 09:11 < jmbuser> quaid: I prefer calling it something else 09:12 < jmbuser> quaid: Similar to developing code in large shops 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: test / staging / production for coding 09:13 < jmbuser> quaid: draft / CVS storage / published for docs... something like that 09:14 < jmbuser> quaid: Is that just semantics? 09:14 -!- EvilBob [n=bob at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined #Fedora-Docs 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: kind of 09:15 < jmbuser> quaid: Then, treat it accordingly :-) 09:15 < quaid> jmbuser: it might be Plone usage, in which case it is easier to accept than to reeducate at every turn 09:16 < quaid> at least, I got from daMaestro that it was plone language, but I could be wrong 09:16 < jmbuser> quaid: I can live with that 09:16 * quaid is glad that someone else who understands content workflows is doing a sanity check 09:17 < quaid> our point is to make it possible for 10x the people to be publishers, so it should all be easier in the end 09:17 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:17 < quaid> I think stickster_work made his points on list 09:19 -!- rlingk [n=devnull at pat1.orbitz.net] has joined #fedora-docs 09:20 * quaid finishes looking at the diagrams again 09:20 < quaid> I think we can push for a ratification on list 09:21 < jmbuser> quaid: What gives me hope is that someone who is a translator is working on it, so he gets it and takes it into account 09:23 < jmbuser> quaid: Not to diminish the contribution of us monolinguists 09:23 < quaid> hey, if this was any other part of Fedora, they'd probably forget l10n 09:23 < quaid> ok, email sent on that subject requesting final questions and/or ratification 09:24 < jmbuser> quaid: +1 09:24 < quaid> ok, on to the next item .. 09:24 < quaid> http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/16/weekly-report-week-28/ 09:25 < quaid> just to get vpv's report into the record :) 09:26 < vpv> I'm here. As you can see, there are some problems, but they should be manageable 09:26 < quaid> vpv: no worries, you seem to have it handled; 09:26 < quaid> vpv: are you getting the kind of responses you need on f-devel-l? 09:27 < quaid> I'm wondering if some tips about e.g. XMLRPC might be useful 09:28 < vpv> right now I really don't need thay much more than coding ;) 09:28 < quaid> yeah, that is a good call 09:28 < quaid> worry about performance later :) 09:28 < jmbuser> vpv: Do you have a way to parse "info" now? 09:29 < vpv> probably the only way to solve the XMLRPC slowness would be profiling, since the calls are correct and they work... 09:29 < vpv> jmbuser: the only way I've come up with is to download upstream sources from CVS 09:29 < vpv> or optionally from SRPM repos 09:30 < vpv> since I haven't found or there might not even be an info -> DocBook XML converter 09:30 * quaid doubts there is 09:30 < quaid> would probably make TeX fans roll over in their chairs 09:31 -!- rlingk [n=devnull at pat1.orbitz.net] has left #fedora-docs ["Leaving"] 09:32 < quaid> ok, then ... 09:33 < quaid> vpv: anything you can think that will make it _easier_ on you, let me know, I might be able to help :) 09:33 < quaid> moving on ... 09:33 < vpv> ok :) 09:33 < quaid> election planning ... 09:34 < quaid> just making sure we don't get behind there, I think we're ok 09:34 < quaid> that and guide talk ... 09:35 < quaid> jmbuser: with your limited availability, how can we have your time be able to help the other writers contribute/finish the DUG? 09:35 * quaid ponders this for himself _all_the_time_ 09:36 < jmbuser> quaid: Were my tasks useful or should I break them down further? 09:36 < quaid> jmbuser: good question, let me look at them that way ... 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: ok, seems reasonable for now 09:38 < quaid> jmbuser: maybe some more chatter on the list? 09:38 < quaid> people often have a "sudden few hours", are reading their lists, and if there is a fresh request, they are more likely to dive into it 09:38 < quaid> so, if the "tasks are updated, have at it" sits for a few weeks ... 09:39 < quaid> maybe people wonder if it is still happening? etc. 09:39 < jmbuser> quaid: I can post to the list and update my blog more often 09:39 < quaid> jmbuser: like I said, trying to think of, "If John only has 10 minutes for Fedora Docs today/this week/etc., what is a way he can have a bigger impact than e.g. editing a paragraph." 09:40 < jmbuser> quaid: Things are finally getting under control at work 09:40 < quaid> that's good 09:41 * quaid is going more out of control :) 09:41 < jmbuser> quaid: I would have to say that defining tasks and promoting greater participation... 09:41 < quaid> jmbuser: just a 'leadership thinking' idea I'm passing along, that's all; I often find myself doing something small and silly just to be doing something, and I try to remember to think of an overarching way I can make a difference. 09:42 < jmbuser> quaid: would be a good use of my time right now 09:42 < quaid> for example, if I didn't read that post but instead wrote up our minutes ... 09:42 < quaid> jmbuser: sounds great; let's find a way to make that chatter on the list, too 09:42 < quaid> ok, that's all of that for me 09:42 < quaid> anything else from anyone else? 09:43 < quaid> ok, closing the meeting in 30 seconds ... 09:44 -!- nman64 [n=n-man at fedora/nman64] has joined #fedora-docs 09:44 < jmbuser> +1 09:49 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All folks there. I need some help in completing my joining > > process. I am stuck at the "Sending gpg key to mit key server" point. > > I am starting the story from start because this time I am including > > some other group's address in TO field. > > Please don't cross-post. Splitting the conversation between lists that > way means wasted time for other members and no archive has a complete > answer for others to learn from. > > No worries if you didn't know it was a problem to cross-post; after all, > if no one ever told you, how were to find out? ;-) > > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys GPGKEYID > > What is your GPG key ID? > > > gpg --export --armor alajal at gmail.com > mykey.txt > > > > it returns > > gpg: WARNING: nothing exported > > Do you get your key and etc. if you do: > > gpg --finger alajal > > Like this: > > gpg --finger quaid > pub 1024D/AD0E0C41 2003-11-26 > Key fingerprint = 2680 DBFD D968 3141 0115 5F1B D992 0E06 AD0E > 0C41 > uid Karsten G. 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URL: From mailtoria at gmail.com Tue Jul 17 18:01:38 2007 From: mailtoria at gmail.com (ria das) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:31:38 +0530 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) Message-ID: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> Hi, My previous project plan was : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SummerOfCode/2007/RiaDas Here I planned to keep man pages in a directory structure like : /manual | |-f7/ | |-html/ | | | | | | | | |-man/ | | | |-man1/ | | | |-man2/ | | | | | |-info/ | |-rawfiles/*.[1-8] , *.texi | | |-rawhide/ | |-fc6/ | Now the question is how to handle the updates ? If we follow this directory structure, then a new update will overwrite the previous file and they will be same across all releases (mostly) . One thing can be done is to only update rawhide based files. All other releases will have release time man/info files. So, when people will check the diffs between two releases they will get it. And the main manual folder may be in some other place, but will be available under webserver . Please suggest me on this. Ria Das From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Wed Jul 18 10:42:57 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:42:57 +0100 Subject: UG? In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0707061316y7a1c5ce9wdb40d815ca0fcdc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707051129u96522d7i53151cadc80a7192@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0707051216y21143b62t9a58724e1e10d8d7@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707061316y7a1c5ce9wdb40d815ca0fcdc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3263b11b0707180342x526fc0afud1552bbb73211d20@mail.gmail.com> Hi John, sorry after getting you to do the tasks I never got on to actually doing any work :S Been working hard to get another project a little further along (check it out, you might be interested, http://questionsplease.org/freeme - going to do a Fedora spin today/tomorrow I think :D) but I'm hoping to get on to this soon (and the Revisor docs...) These three tasks though: # Add high-level explanation of how to add software to the desktop. Provide relevant links. Take this task # Add high-level explanation on how to do updates, with links to relevant guides. Take this task # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These two I think are already taken care of since we moved the stuff over from the SMG? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Choose an application and give a good explanation of how to install it and use it. This should be put in the proper category. For instance, a description of Exaile should be put in the Playing Multimedia section of the FDUG. Take this task It seems strange to me to only give a clear example of how to use a single application? Or have I misunderstood? Also, a good explanation of how to install it is covered by the previous tasks, and hence I think already done? Jon On 06/07/07, John Babich wrote: > I wrote over 24 hours ago: > > > Give me 24 hours to update the task list. > > > Sorry, it took a little longer to do. > > See the tasks page for the Fedora Desktop User Guide at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks/UserGuide > > My apologies for the lousy formatting. Stickster, can you take a look > at it and put it in its proper shape? > > Thanks, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu Wed Jul 18 10:54:38 2007 From: sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu (Jeff Sheltren) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 06:54:38 -0400 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> On Jul 17, 2007, at 2:01 PM, ria das wrote: > > Now the question is how to handle the updates ? If we follow this > directory structure, then a new update will overwrite the previous > file and they will be same across all releases (mostly) . One thing > can be done is to only update rawhide based files. All other releases > will have release time man/info files. So, when people will check the > diffs between two releases they will get it. > And the main manual folder may be in some other place, but will be > available under webserver . > Please suggest me on this. > > Ria Das > Personally, I feel that it would only be relevant to keep the latest version of a man file for any given release. I don't see a problem with overwriting a man file if a newer one is included in a package update. -Jeff From mailtoria at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 18:01:25 2007 From: mailtoria at gmail.com (ria das) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:31:25 +0530 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> Message-ID: <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > Personally, I feel that it would only be relevant to keep the latest > version of a man file for any given release. I don't see a problem > with overwriting a man file if a newer one is included in a package > update. > If I keep the latest version of man file then how can i generate diffs between two fedora releases of a particular man page? Ria Das From sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu Wed Jul 18 20:45:14 2007 From: sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu (Jeff Sheltren) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:45:14 -0400 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:01 PM, ria das wrote: > On 7/18/07, Jeff Sheltren wrote: >> Personally, I feel that it would only be relevant to keep the latest >> version of a man file for any given release. I don't see a problem >> with overwriting a man file if a newer one is included in a package >> update. >> > If I keep the latest version of man file then how can i generate diffs > between two fedora releases of a particular man page? > Hi Ria, this would still allow you to perform a diff between different releases. I'm just saying that I don't see a need for having multiple versions of a man page for a single Fedora release. -Jeff From mailtoria at gmail.com Wed Jul 18 20:53:20 2007 From: mailtoria at gmail.com (ria das) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:23:20 +0530 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <74b2a9490707181353ka6b94ccw87b477dbeec9bfe3@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > Hi Ria, this would still allow you to perform a diff between > different releases. I'm just saying that I don't see a need for > having multiple versions of a man page for a single Fedora release. > That's what I also don't want :). I want to have updated man/info pages only in rawhide branch of the system. Other releases will have the man/info pages at the release time so that I can have a diff. Ria Das From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Jul 19 12:18:13 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:18:13 +0300 Subject: UG? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0707180342x526fc0afud1552bbb73211d20@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0707051042u3558e105md0ed006fc10e9b4b@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707051129u96522d7i53151cadc80a7192@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0707051216y21143b62t9a58724e1e10d8d7@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0707061316y7a1c5ce9wdb40d815ca0fcdc3@mail.gmail.com> <3263b11b0707180342x526fc0afud1552bbb73211d20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0707190518y2367f29fse73d64e4c63fed44@mail.gmail.com> On 7/18/07, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi John, sorry after getting you to do the tasks I never got on to > actually doing any work :S > It happens...I've moved into a new position at work and have been pretty busy. > Been working hard to get another project a little further along (check > it out, you might be interested, http://questionsplease.org/freeme - > going to do a Fedora spin today/tomorrow I think :D) but I'm hoping to > get on to this soon (and the Revisor docs...) > I checked it out...looks interesting. > These three tasks though: > > # > > Add high-level explanation of how to add software to the desktop. > Provide relevant links. Take this task > # > > Add high-level explanation on how to do updates, with links to > relevant guides. Take this task > # > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > These two I think are already taken care of since we moved the stuff > over from the SMG? Quite possibly. I'll review the User Guide one more time and try and refine the tasks more precisely. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Choose an application and give a good explanation of how to install it > and use it. This should be put in the proper category. For instance, a > description of Exaile should be put in the Playing Multimedia section > of the FDUG. Take this task > > It seems strange to me to only give a clear example of how to use a > single application? Or have I misunderstood? Also, a good explanation > of how to install it is covered by the previous tasks, and hence I > think already done? > I might have worded that task better. The point of this task is for someone to take an application, for example, Rhythmbox (as opposed to Exaile, my favorite), which would be included in the Multimedia section. They can add more detail concerning Rhythmbox, rather undertaking a revision of the whole Multimedia section. By the way, the idea of listing which apps are included by default in the GNOME and KDE spins of the LiveCD is to make sure no "default" apps are overlooked. A writer could take a neglected app and include it in the User Guide. Is that clearer or am I spinning out of control (obscure pun intended)? John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Thu Jul 19 16:09:28 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:09:28 -0700 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: <74b2a9490707181353ka6b94ccw87b477dbeec9bfe3@mail.gmail.com> References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> <74b2a9490707181353ka6b94ccw87b477dbeec9bfe3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1184861368.26011.1011.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-07-19 at 02:23 +0530, ria das wrote: > On 7/19/07, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > > Hi Ria, this would still allow you to perform a diff between > > different releases. I'm just saying that I don't see a need for > > having multiple versions of a man page for a single Fedora release. > > > That's what I also don't want :). > I want to have updated man/info pages only in rawhide branch of the > system. Other releases > will have the man/info pages at the release time so that I can have a diff. Are you thinking that the update to a version of a man page, for example in F7, might be the same content as in rawhide? What are the various uses for the specific diff you are looking for? Regardless, it might be enough to say: "These are man/info pages at the time of the shipping version of Fedora. For the latest version of the man page, use the 'rawhide' directory. For content relevant to software packages that been updated since the specific version of Fedora shipped, use the 'rawhide' directory." - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mailtoria at gmail.com Fri Jul 20 13:49:28 2007 From: mailtoria at gmail.com (ria das) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:19:28 +0530 Subject: About the directory structure for storing man/info files (SoC work) In-Reply-To: <1184861368.26011.1011.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <74b2a9490707171101n68285e7bha03bd842b8a69336@mail.gmail.com> <1E742B8C-7BF0-41FC-95DE-FA1C0028E761@cs.ucsb.edu> <74b2a9490707181101w2ce370a6ma8c15d3adce9cf2c@mail.gmail.com> <74b2a9490707181353ka6b94ccw87b477dbeec9bfe3@mail.gmail.com> <1184861368.26011.1011.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <74b2a9490707200649u56dcf4f6hd440d459e40db68e@mail.gmail.com> On 7/19/07, Karsten Wade wrote: > > Are you thinking that the update to a version of a man page, for example > in F7, might be the same content as in rawhide? > > What are the various uses for the specific diff you are looking for? Primary: To see the changes and the doc actually progressed. Secondary: Have to think ..... any other usage ? > Regardless, it might be enough to say: > > "These are man/info pages at the time of the shipping version of Fedora. > For the latest version of the man page, use the 'rawhide' directory. > For content relevant to software packages that been updated since the > specific version of Fedora shipped, use the 'rawhide' directory." > This is what I was looking for :) Ria From stickster at gmail.com Sun Jul 29 23:23:27 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 19:23:27 -0400 Subject: Beats scrubbing Message-ID: <1185751407.10688.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Seeing as how test1 is almost upon us, it probably behooves us to scrub clean all the Beats. A few of these should obviously just be left alone, with only trivial changes for release number: Welcome Feedback Colophon Legal The rest should be scrubbed clean. Once that's done someone -- I'm happy to do this if the scrubber(s) let us know when the scrubbing is done -- can send email to the community encouraging content for the eventual gold release. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Jul 30 20:21:35 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 01:51:35 +0530 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 1 release notes Message-ID: <46AE484F.5030706@fedoraproject.org> Hi Can anyone do the release notes for the test releases this time? Important changes to mention for test 1 are Rsyslog replaces Sysklogd. See the spec No more XFS (x font server). See the spec GNOME 2.19. Figure out what has has merged that is important from http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap or post a screenshot with the about box KDE 3.5.7. Same as Fedora 7. KDE 4 isn't merged yet and we might not be having this by default if KDE 4 schedule slips. Anything else? With the new feature process and the feature list at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList, it should be easier to keep track of the important changes this time. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Mon Jul 30 23:50:03 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:50:03 -0400 Subject: Fedora 8 Test 1 release notes In-Reply-To: <46AE484F.5030706@fedoraproject.org> References: <46AE484F.5030706@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1185839403.22661.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 01:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > Can anyone do the release notes for the test releases this time? > Important changes to mention for test 1 are > > Rsyslog replaces Sysklogd. See the spec > > No more XFS (x font server). See the spec > > GNOME 2.19. Figure out what has has merged that is important from > http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap or post a screenshot with the about box > > KDE 3.5.7. Same as Fedora 7. KDE 4 isn't merged yet and we might not be > having this by default if KDE 4 schedule slips. > > Anything else? > > With the new feature process and the feature list at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList, it should be > easier to keep track of the important changes this time. I've put a placeholder at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test1/ReleaseNotes This location follows the previously established namespacing. It needs to have content added. I, for one, would really like it if a new community member jumped in to get involved, since this one-sheet is very easy to do. It is only a wiki page, and no XML work is required. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 14:03:16 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:03:16 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting Today? Message-ID: <9d2c731f0707310703w59ec9bd9l19045d7678149548@mail.gmail.com> Gentlemen: Is there a FDSCo meeting today at 1400 Hours UTC? Please advise. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 14:29:09 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:29:09 -0700 Subject: meeting reminder 1600 UTC today Message-ID: <1185892149.3521.88.camel@erato.phig.org> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0707310703w59ec9bd9l19045d7678149548@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0707310703w59ec9bd9l19045d7678149548@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46AF4811.8060805@fedoralinks.org> John Babich wrote: > Gentlemen: > > Is there a FDSCo meeting today at 1400 Hours UTC? > > Please advise. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Project > Time correction 16:00 UTC -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen * * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen gpg fingerprint: F9F4 7243 4243 0043 2C45 97AF E8A4 C3AE 42EB 0BC6 Fedora Docs Projects FDSCo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 16:38:57 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:38:57 -0700 Subject: vFUDcon ideas Message-ID: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk for VoIP conferencing. What would you like to see in a Docs session? * How to work on a doc in the Wiki? * XML skills and practice? * ??? -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 17:29:26 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:29:26 -0400 Subject: vFUDcon ideas In-Reply-To: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1185902966.3610.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 09:38 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk > for VoIP conferencing. > > What would you like to see in a Docs session? > > * How to work on a doc in the Wiki? > * XML skills and practice? > * ??? I can definitely help with CVS/XML session. I've done one before on IRC although I suspect a teleconf might actually go a little faster/more efficiently. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Jul 31 18:32:59 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:02:59 +0530 Subject: vFUDcon ideas In-Reply-To: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <46AF805B.9050107@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: > There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk > for VoIP conferencing. I am curious about how that would work. Do these provide international toll free dialing? Do you have the ability to record and transcribe it? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 18:40:50 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:40:50 -0400 Subject: vFUDcon ideas In-Reply-To: <46AF805B.9050107@fedoraproject.org> References: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> <46AF805B.9050107@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1185907250.3610.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk > > for VoIP conferencing. > > I am curious about how that would work. Do these provide international > toll free dialing? Do you have the ability to record and transcribe it? I don't know all the ways that the service provisioning will work, since I'm (a) not doing it, and (b) not an Asterisk expert. But I think the idea is that people should be able to dial in with an Ekiga or other softphone for free from anywhere they can get on an IP based network. I kind of doubt there are time, resources, and money to hook up a toll-free hardline phone service, but I would love to be wrong about that. If people can't do a softphone in, though, how likely is it that they are planning to participate in the project afterward? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Jul 31 18:42:20 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:42:20 -0400 Subject: vFUDcon ideas In-Reply-To: <1185907250.3610.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> <46AF805B.9050107@fedoraproject.org> <1185907250.3610.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1185907340.3610.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:40 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk > > > for VoIP conferencing. > > > > I am curious about how that would work. Do these provide international > > toll free dialing? Do you have the ability to record and transcribe it? > > I don't know all the ways that the service provisioning will work, since > I'm (a) not doing it, and (b) not an Asterisk expert. But I think the > idea is that people should be able to dial in with an Ekiga or other > softphone for free from anywhere they can get on an IP based network. I > kind of doubt there are time, resources, and money to hook up a > toll-free hardline phone service, but I would love to be wrong about > that. If people can't do a softphone in, though, how likely is it that > they are planning to participate in the project afterward? Sorry to reply to myself, but addendum: Audio recording should be easily possible via the Asterisk server itself. As for transcription, if "Someone" can wrangle some volunteers to do it, then it will be transcribed. Frankly, I think that would be a waste of energy compared to other needs; as long as the audio is available, the purpose is served. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 19:10:32 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:10:32 -0700 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2007-07-31 IRC log Message-ID: <1185909032.3521.113.camel@erato.phig.org> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20070731 09:01 < quaid> 09:01 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 09:01 < jmbuser> JohnBabich 09:02 < EvilBob> BobJensen 09:04 < EvilBob> News on item 1? 09:06 < EvilBob> Did I get disconnected? 09:06 -!- gomix [n=gomix at 201.208.186.50] has left #fedora-docs [] 09:06 < jmbuser> EvilBob: You're still on the air, but I don't know about quaid... 09:07 < quaid> uh, huh 09:07 < quaid> work day :/ 09:07 * quaid had to order a Subversion dump in moving a project around, timely crap 09:08 < quaid> ok, so, with just a few of us, we can read some stuff into the record and move aong 09:08 < jmbuser> +1 09:08 < quaid> proposed workflow -- previously ratified, at least consensus by silence, and it looked pretty good 09:08 < quaid> jmbuser: you got your suggestions in on that, right? yes, iirc 09:09 < jmbuser> quaid: I like it... 09:09 < quaid> k 09:09 < quaid> next, digging up a link to vpv's latest status update 09:09 < quaid> http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/30/weekly-report-week-30/ 09:10 -!- Tehnik [n=tehnik at 91.192.112.237] has left #fedora-docs ["Segmentation fault"] 09:10 < vpv> I'm here if you need to ask anything 09:10 < EvilBob> I have no questions at this time 09:10 < quaid> don't think so ... 09:11 < vpv> ok 09:11 < quaid> vpv: it's looking good to me; I see where you got caught by some stuff, but the extra work seems to have produced good results 09:11 < quaid> vpv: mainly for you is, when do you think you want to unleash a test on f-docs-l for people to try to break? :) 09:12 < quaid> or, rather, go ahead and unleash it for testing when you are ready, etc. 09:12 < vpv> quaid: I wish I knew... I'm testing it locally right now, I'd say hopefully at the end of the week 09:13 < vpv> but the thing is, the import script has to be run from the console, so it's not that simple to do a "public test" 09:13 < vpv> but of course the wiki itself can be (and already is, actually) public 09:14 < quaid> well, it's going to depend on what really needs testing 09:14 < quaid> is the import script something that gets run e.g. a few times a devel/release cycle? 09:14 < vpv> then there's the thing that importing a complete repository takes something like 2 hours right now... 09:15 < vpv> quaid: for the whole repo, yes, and then updates once in a while 09:15 -!- hers [n=chatzill at 222.248.202.77] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/0000000000]"] 09:16 < quaid> vpv: well, as long as it doesn't need to be implemented so writers/editors need to do it regularly 09:16 -!- Tehnik [n=tehnik at 91.192.112.237] has joined #fedora-docs 09:16 < quaid> we can have Infrastructure have an SOP (standard op procedure) for it, and we just remember to request via ticket. 09:16 < EvilBob> +1 09:17 < quaid> vpv: ok, just let us know anyway we can test, either as a public test or a smaller group 09:17 < vpv> Ok 09:17 < quaid> if there isn't anything else, I'll move us along ... 09:17 < vpv> not from me... 09:18 < quaid> oops, we missed opening DSCo nominations by 11 days :( 09:18 < EvilBob> oops 09:18 < quaid> ... and we're such a good advertisement for a body to join! 09:18 < quaid> I have a free form discussion topic to insert here 09:18 < quaid> and can probably take it to the list ... 09:19 < jmbuser> ok 09:19 < quaid> it's come up lately about too much bureaucracy in Fedora, and I also see how successful e.g.F-Infra is without a steering committee, although they have the new sponsorship (merit -based) model 09:19 < jmbuser> go on... 09:20 < quaid> otoh, I think having recognized leaders helps, just as I think having some way to show merit-gained (or to gain merit) 09:20 < quaid> so I'm wondering if this project still needs a steering committee? 09:20 < quaid> or at least one that runs this way? 09:20 < EvilBob> I think we do 09:20 < quaid> what do we gain by it? what would be lose? 09:21 < EvilBob> but we need to stress keeping people accountable for what they hope to do, I know in the past I have fallen way short of my personal goals 09:22 < jmbuser> Also, the steering committee has what some people refer to as a "corporate memory" 09:22 < EvilBob> My hate of the wiki has been partially to blame 09:22 < jmbuser> wiki-hating is evil... 09:22 < EvilBob> at the same time not learning the other tools has also hindered me 09:23 < jmbuser> xml-avoidance is also evil - I'm guilty of that as well... 09:24 < EvilBob> I think as committee members we need to get our goals out in the public eye so we are accountable 09:24 < jmbuser> +1 09:24 < quaid> but all of these things are true without having a structure around it 09:24 < EvilBob> we are on the committee to be examples and mentors 09:25 < quaid> maybe the one that thing that a formal committee provides is that visibility to new contributors 09:25 < EvilBob> I think that we should keep the committee for at least 1 year and look at its need before the F9 election 09:25 < quaid> f-infra as the skillz to form like Voltron, which we lack 09:25 < quaid> well, just something to discuss ongoing, I guess, no need to derail currency 09:26 < quaid> should we just bump the schedule up for the elections with tomorrow as the opening of nominations? 09:26 < jmbuser> +1 09:26 < EvilBob> +1 to the bump 09:26 < Tehnik> A plane with a load of flights recorders have crashed in Columbia. According to expersts, it will take a thousand years to determine the reason of the accident 09:27 < EvilBob> Who is up for re-election? 09:28 < quaid> hmm, i forget :) 09:29 < EvilBob> Bart, Powel and John? 09:29 < quaid> before I foolishly do all this, do either of you have the time to kick elections in gear? 09:29 < EvilBob> Pawel 09:29 < quaid> bump the schedule, figure out which seats are open, tap the right Wiki pages, send announcements ... 09:30 -!- JonRob [n=jon at 88-111-210-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 09:30 < EvilBob> What lists do we send the announcement to? 09:30 < EvilBob> Just ours? 09:30 < quaid> yeah, just ours 09:30 < EvilBob> I can handle that, I have time in the morning 09:30 < quaid> ok, cool 09:31 * EvilBob makes a note 09:31 < quaid> just bump the schedule up a few weeks, and make sure the election itself has two weekends for voting 09:31 < jmbuser> Thanks, Bob 09:31 < quaid> (the last message sent to the ist was 03 July, iirc) 09:31 < quaid> yeah, thx 09:31 * quaid is busier than a dual amputee at a pancake flipping contest 09:32 < EvilBob> BTW did we kill the fdsco list yet? 09:32 < quaid> as dead as we can, yes 09:32 < EvilBob> Good 09:33 < EvilBob> Next item? 09:34 < EvilBob> Guide updates 09:34 < quaid> *ugh* 09:34 < quaid> sorry, i mean ..uh ... 09:34 < jmbuser> I'm seriously distracted by work - what with a new project and vacations 09:35 < quaid> well, the thing is ... 09:35 < EvilBob> No updates, are there guides we need to poke? 09:35 < quaid> if we are continuing to rely upon only this group to update guides 09:35 < quaid> we are in trouble 09:35 < jmbuser> +1 09:35 < quaid> and we cannot seem to get anyone else interested 09:35 < quaid> and I don't get why 09:35 < EvilBob> I agree 09:35 < EvilBob> maybe some hand holding is needed 09:35 < quaid> I mean, why bother to introduce yourself and get an account and stuff if you aren't going to pick -anything_ 09:35 < EvilBob> mentoring if you will 09:36 < quaid> sure 09:36 < quaid> but someone needs to *ask* for it :) 09:36 < EvilBob> No we need to offer it 09:36 < quaid> EvilBob: all the guides need updates for F7, and we're about to go into F8 09:36 < quaid> EvilBob: I thought we have 09:36 < jmbuser> I'm willing in a few days to go into a trance and have a personal "hack day" 09:36 < quaid> jmbuser: but how do we get others to try something like that? 09:36 < quaid> ok, then 09:37 < EvilBob> that falls in line with the vFUDcon item 09:37 < quaid> one action is to make a big stink about how much mentoring and hand holding there is available, come n gettit 09:37 < jmbuser> exactly! 09:37 -!- Tehnik [n=tehnik at 91.192.112.237] has left #fedora-docs ["Segmentation fault"] 09:37 < EvilBob> Personal goal of mine is to get some XML foo going 09:38 < EvilBob> and to help spread that 09:38 < EvilBob> can we move from the guides item for now? 09:38 < quaid> yes 09:38 < EvilBob> OK release notes 09:39 < EvilBob> I am goign to work to flush the beats tonight late an in the morning 09:39 < EvilBob> so we can get moving on the stuff for F8 09:39 < quaid> ok 09:39 < quaid> are we going to do what we did last time? 09:40 < quaid> one-sheet for test1, test2, and first beta notes are test3? 09:40 < EvilBob> I would like to try and be the EIC I should have been in the past but I have found the notes are a huge job and I get bogged down 09:41 < EvilBob> SO I am going to try to do as much work as I con 09:41 < EvilBob> can 09:41 < EvilBob> quaid: Yes I think that is the best plan 09:41 < jmbuser> The very first release notes for test1 went very well with an IRC group session 09:41 < quaid> there should be some help in the new Features process 09:42 < EvilBob> we need to document what happens for the notes 09:42 < quaid> John specifically included a field for relnotes 09:42 < quaid> we don't have that? 09:43 < EvilBob> the process 09:43 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process 09:43 < EvilBob> we do but I know there are items that Paul has had to do in the past that might be missing 09:43 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process#TheProcess 09:43 < quaid> in particular 09:43 < quaid> well, it shouldn't be missing from there :) 09:44 < quaid> stickster_work: can you look at that relnotes process and fix anything you know is missing? 09:44 < EvilBob> I mean a technical howto for the release notes 09:44 < EvilBob> "push button A" then "push button B" 09:45 < EvilBob> a lot of the work ended up on Paul the last three releases 09:45 < EvilBob> I want to be able to avoid that 09:46 < EvilBob> If paul leaves us we are screwed 09:47 < EvilBob> Not that I am suggesting it will happen only that it can 09:47 < jmbuser> This is the "what if he's hit by a truck" scenario 09:47 < EvilBob> or has a sick kid/wife/self 09:48 < quaid> yeah, that's somewhere, too 09:48 < EvilBob> I am willing to take th elead on making sure we get that this time 09:49 < quaid> ok, just do it if you can not just because you think you should 09:49 < EvilBob> also because our processes change from time to time 09:49 < EvilBob> I can do this 09:49 < EvilBob> anything else on the release notes? 09:50 < EvilBob> vFUDCon/hackfest 09:50 < EvilBob> do we have any plans for this? 09:50 < quaid> ok, I just sent out a notice asking for what people want 09:51 < quaid> think I suggested to Jef that he contact Paul but I don' tknow if that went anywhere 09:51 < quaid> i think we want to know what people want before we do something? 09:51 < EvilBob> I would like to see a "getting started with CVS/XML" lesson 09:51 < quaid> we could pick a slot.time I suppose 09:52 < EvilBob> Paul has done that in the past and I have always missed it 09:52 -!- |DrJef| [n=onefjef at fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-docs 09:52 < EvilBob> speak of the devil 09:52 < EvilBob> morning Jef 09:53 < quaid> |DrJef|: if Docs wants to do a vFUDCon slot, um, do we just pick one? or ? 09:54 < |DrJef|> quaid, just pick it 09:54 < |DrJef|> quaid, time is somewhat..flexible... if there is a conflict.. ill sort it out 09:54 < quaid> ok, let's go to the list with time and what ppl want to hear/see 09:54 < quaid> I think we should focus on current/inactive/active Docs contributors, rather than trying something to attract new ones, etc. 09:55 < quaid> anything else there/ 09:55 < EvilBob> nope that is all I had 09:55 -!- napramirez [n=nap at tequilla.exist.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:57 < quaid> ok 09:57 * quaid closing meeting in a few seconds 09:58 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 20:37:07 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:37:07 -0700 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2007-07-31 Summary Message-ID: <1185914227.3521.175.camel@erato.phig.org> Attendees: ----------- Robert 'Bob' Jensen (EvilBob) John Babich (jmbuser) Karsten Wade (quaid) Ville-Pekka Vainio (vpv) Summary: --------- * Confirmed that we silently ratified daMaestro's proposed Doc Publication System workflow * Man/info Wiki editor project * Full conversions from man and info source are working with only a few bugs * f-docs-l is available for testing when vpv is ready * Full details: http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/30/weekly-report-week-30/ * Do we need a steering committee? * Karsten raised this question, pointing at the success of Fedora Infrastructure, and to ongoing complaints of "too much bureaucracy"; is FDSCo getting in the way of getting things done? * OTOH, a project like Docs needs identifiable and accountable leaders, especially to help newer contributors join Fedora. * Open discussion topic; can reconsider value of FDSCo as we proceed * FDSCo Election * Missed original schedule by 11 days * Bob taking the task of reworking the schedule and sending out the new content; roughly two week bump in schedule expected * Various Guides * More work on list, keep people involved * Karsten to send a reminder that help is here, don't hesitate to ask * Release Notes Beats * Bob working to flush the beats * Need to make sure documentation on *how* to convert Wiki2XML is available for all * Make sure we aren't abusing Paul * Virtual FUDCon * Discussion on list about what to do * Just add our session to the list on the Wiki, wrangle with Jef -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 20:52:54 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:52:54 -0700 Subject: vFUDcon ideas In-Reply-To: <1185907250.3610.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1185899937.3521.101.camel@erato.phig.org> <46AF805B.9050107@fedoraproject.org> <1185907250.3610.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1185915174.3521.190.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 14:40 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-01 at 00:02 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > There is a virtual FUDCon happening, which means online, maybe Asterisk > > > for VoIP conferencing. > > > > I am curious about how that would work. Do these provide international > > toll free dialing? > > I don't know all the ways that the service provisioning will work, since > I'm (a) not doing it, and (b) not an Asterisk expert. But I think the > idea is that people should be able to dial in with an Ekiga or other > softphone for free from anywhere they can get on an IP based network. That's right. Jared Smith is working with Dennis Gilmore and Jeff Ollie (who is also the packager for asterisk and linphone, iirc), and they are using a Fedora server. We'll likely have the service disabled for use most of the time, but able to be turned on for e.g. Fedora Board meetings or FESCo meetings, etc. It's a new idea, we want to be careful about abusing, and we want to learn as we go so we can rapidly scale it. AIUI, the main constraint is CPU with the codecs. > I > kind of doubt there are time, resources, and money to hook up a > toll-free hardline phone service, but I would love to be wrong about > that. If people can't do a softphone in, though, how likely is it that > they are planning to participate in the project afterward? There *may* be a US-based number available; Fedora could certainly provide an inbound number in e.g. the 919 or Phoenix area codes for pretty low cost. There is some value in having this, but not IMO in having a toll-free number. There isn't an international toll-free method that Fedora is going to support, and it is not worth it to offer toll-free in the US when long distance rates in the US are cheap or bundled unlimited. Reasons: * Want to participate but nowhere near an IP network * Firewall between you and the world blocks SIP * Bandwidth constraints * No headset, making onboard mic/speaker a nightmare for everyone on the call (tap tap tappity tap, remember that Paul?) * No sound card on hardware And so forth. I feel the need is enough to support e.g. $5/mon for a PTSN line for Fedora, but not enough to support a toll-free number. :) > > Do you have the ability to record and transcribe it? AIUI, yes, Asterisk can handle recording; that is a big reason to use it. We'll release them as podcasts afterward, is the idea; a great task for some contributors in this team or Websites or Ambassadors would be to convert these to podcasts (OGG only, naturally.) I agree with Paul about transcribing, and I realize this limits our international audience (and ability to translate.) Still, this is a first time. If someone wants to transcribe, that's a great idea. In fact, we could even clone and rework the 'press-release' module/DTD to support a transcription. This way we could have a very simplified XML to work with for a transcriber, and have it generate a sane POT file. But let's see if the transcribers appear first, okay? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 20:54:32 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:54:32 -0700 Subject: [Call to Action] Re: Fedora 8 Test 1 release notes In-Reply-To: <1185839403.22661.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <46AE484F.5030706@fedoraproject.org> <1185839403.22661.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1185915272.3521.192.camel@erato.phig.org> Inserting a [Call to Action] in the Subject: so contributors know there is a great task for a new contributor/writer to help with. Interested? On Mon, 2007-07-30 at 19:50 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2007-07-31 at 01:51 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Hi > > > > Can anyone do the release notes for the test releases this time? > > Important changes to mention for test 1 are > > > > Rsyslog replaces Sysklogd. See the spec > > > > No more XFS (x font server). See the spec > > > > GNOME 2.19. Figure out what has has merged that is important from > > http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap or post a screenshot with the about box > > > > KDE 3.5.7. Same as Fedora 7. KDE 4 isn't merged yet and we might not be > > having this by default if KDE 4 schedule slips. > > > > Anything else? > > > > With the new feature process and the feature list at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/8/FeatureList, it should be > > easier to keep track of the important changes this time. > > I've put a placeholder at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F8Test1/ReleaseNotes > > This location follows the previously established namespacing. It needs > to have content added. I, for one, would really like it if a new > community member jumped in to get involved, since this one-sheet is very > easy to do. It is only a wiki page, and no XML work is required. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Jul 31 22:02:09 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:02:09 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Fedora 8 Test 1 slipping] Message-ID: <1185919329.3521.208.camel@erato.phig.org> FYI ... we now have enough time to put a good one-sheet together. 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