From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 01:11:25 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:11:25 -0400 Subject: Yum Guide bugs In-Reply-To: <1193674400.2938.57.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <20071028180024.GA30621@localhost.localdomain> <472506B5.1000509@fedoraproject.org> <1193674400.2938.57.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1193879485.4101.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 09:13 -0700, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2007-10-29 at 03:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > In the discussions that followed it seemed many people wanted to release > > a combined guide. I don't know what's the status on that. If I take on > > bugs, can I fix and continue to release them in a separate yum guide? > > Yes, I thought we had decided and already combined content from the Yum > Guide into the User and Administration Guides. > > It didn't seem to make sense to have a stand-alone guide that covers > topics that are also featured/fit into the other guides. Just having a > chapter to point at should be sufficient. Okey-dokey, that jibes with something buried deep in my memory banks. Bart, do you want to take these on then? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, -- Davidson Paulo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DavidsonPaulo From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Thu Nov 1 17:07:08 2007 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:07:08 -0200 Subject: Fedora7VirtQuickStart and Fedora8VirtQuickStart translated to pt_BR Message-ID: Hi, I've translated both Fedora 7 and 8 VirtQuickStart pages to Brazilian Portuguese: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/pt_BR/Docs/Fedora7VirtQuickStart * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/pt_BR/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart They need review, but are already readable. I'll proceed translating those wiki pages that are referenced in Fedora 8 Release Notes. Regards, -- Davidson Paulo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DavidsonPaulo From tchung at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 1 20:36:10 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:36:10 -0700 Subject: Link to F8 Tour Message-ID: <369bce3b0711011336r3392e0b6qdc3644ab74bd173@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Please update the link to F8 Tour at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-OverView.html to point to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora8 Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From vnk at mkc.co.nz Thu Nov 1 20:37:26 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:37:26 +1300 Subject: permissions and access control In-Reply-To: <60798.192.168.1.11.1193735952.squirrel@www.mkc.co.nz> References: <95f1114b0710292332x7088050ayaa59e70b58876286@mail.gmail.com> <60798.192.168.1.11.1193735952.squirrel@www.mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <472A3906.3010302@mkc.co.nz> Hi list. ACLs section of the AdminGuide is done, ready for review/input/fixes. Are there any docs that need urgent attention that I can help with? If not, I'll just move onto other parts of the AdminGuide. Vladimir Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > Hi Murray. This is not SELinux stuff, it's related to ACL capabilities of > some file systems. > > All - hello again after almost a year. It's been pretty demanding time on > a personal level, so I couldn't participate at all. It's back to normal > and I shall start contributing again. Will begin with writing this one, > should complete it by EOW. > > I'll also try sifting through wiki and email to figure out where is work > needed the most but suggestions are welcome. > > Vladimir > > > On Tue, October 30, 2007 7:32 pm, Murray McAllister wrote: > |*| Hi, > |*| > |*| I have been doing a bit on permissions and access control, will > |*| hopefully be finished soon. Is anyone else keen to do the "access > |*| control" part, because to be honest, I have no idea what is meant by > |*| this. Is this SELinux stuff? > |*| > |*| Thanks, > |*| > |*| Murray. > |*| > |*| PS sorry if this did not wrap :( > |*| > |*| > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |*| pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > |*| Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > |*| Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > |*| > |*| sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > |*| > |*| -- > |*| fedora-docs-list mailing list > |*| fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > |*| To unsubscribe: > |*| https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > |*| > -- Vladimir Kosovac Consulting Engineer MK Consulting Ltd. =================== m: 021 985 391 w: www.mkc.co.nz e: vnk at mkc.co.nz =================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 11/1/07, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hello, > > Please update the link to F8 Tour at > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-OverView.html > to point to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Tours/Fedora8 > Regards, > -- > Thomas Chung > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 1 20:51:35 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:51:35 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: [rpm.org Wiki] Update of "Docs/RpmRecovery" by PanuMatilainen] Message-ID: <1193950295.5314.167.camel@erato.phig.org> Here's something interesting we might want to reference from the User or Administrator Guides (or both!). Not sure about licensing for that site. For now let's play it safe -- learn some commands and best practices from those docs to make ours better, and link to it for "more details." - Karsten -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: wiki-noreply at rpm.org To: wiki-noreply at rpm.org Subject: [rpm.org Wiki] Update of "Docs/RpmRecovery" by PanuMatilainen Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:25:01 -0000 Dear Wiki user, You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "rpm.org Wiki" for change notification. The following page has been changed by PanuMatilainen: http://wiki.rpm.org/Docs/RpmRecovery The comment on the change is: Recovery document based on http://people.redhat.com/berrange/notes/rpmrecovery.h New page: This document provides an overview of how to deal with RPM database corruption. == Removing stale locks == If an RPM command hangs, segfaults, or otherwise behaves abnormally during use then the first task is to check for stale lock files. This can be accomplished with -CA option to the rpmdb_stat command: {{{ # cd /var/lib/rpm # /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_stat -CA }}} Look at the output under the sections headed 'Locks grouped by lockers' and 'Locks grouped by object'. If no RPM command is executing, then there should be no entries. The RPM DB format allows many processes to be concurrently reading *AND* writing to the DB, so there is no safe way for an RPM command to identify & remove a stale lock. Stale locks are typically a result of a process being killed in an abnormal manner (power loss, kernel crash, 'kill' from an impatient admin). The locks are maintained in a handful of files named with two initial underscores. Since there is generally no 100% reliable way to determine if an arbitrary application has a lock on the RPM db, the best time at which to clear the stale locks is while in single user mode. Thus to clean up stale lock files, the best course of action is to simply reboot the machine. If for some reason, it is not feasible to reboot the machine, then it is feasible to simply delete the files manually. Before doing this, one must ensure no application has any of the RPM database files open. This can be checked with the lsof command. For example, as root, ensure the following command shows no lines of output: {{{ #lsof | grep /var/lib/rpm }}} If this shows no output then it is safe to delete the lock files {{{ # rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* }}} == DB corruption recovery process == If after cleaning up stale lock files, problems are still experianced, then it is likely some level of database corruption is present. The file that usually requires rebuilding is master package metadata file /var/lib/rpm/Packages, and following that the indexes will also need to be re-generated. Before doing any potentially destructive action *ALWAYS* take a backup of the RPM DB. {{{ # cd /var/lib # tar zcvf /var/preserve/rpmdb-`date +"%d%m%Y"`.tar.gz rpm }}} Now verify the integrity of the Packages file: {{{ # cd /var/lib/rpm # rm -f __db* # to avoid stale locks # /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_verify Packages }}} If this reports any errors then a dump and load of the DB is required. After dumping, verify the integrity of the newly loaded Packages file: {{{ # mv Packages Packages.orig # /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_dump Packages.orig | /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_load Packages # /usr/lib/rpm/rpmdb_verify Packages }}} If the Packages file now passes the verify step, then as an additional sanity check query all headers in the DB by doing, and watch for any messages sent to standard error (it helps to discard standard out when looking for this): {{{ # rpm -qa 1> /dev/null }}} If this query passes without generating any messages to standard error, then it is time to rebuild the indexes by invoking: {{{ # rpm -v --rebuilddb }}} At this point you should have a functioning RPM database again. If any of the recovery steps failed, then a bug should be [:Communicate:reported]. . When creating the report, provide the tar.gz backup of the RPM DB as an attachment, along with any daily package list log files named /var/log/rpm*. ---- CategoryDocs -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Licensing if the information is used should be considering obviously. Hope this helps, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 2 13:25:51 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:55:51 +0530 Subject: Changes in GPG/SSH Keys generation/CLA Request howto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <472B255F.3060105@fedoraproject.org> Davidson Rodrigues Paulo wrote: > Hi, > > There is a way to create PGP/SSH keys and sign > fedora-icla-${username}.txt using only user-friendly graphic programs > (Seahorse + Gedit), but it is not included in Fedora wiki howtos. I > don't trust me enough to write in English so I would like to know who > can work with me to update those documents. Write the content in your personal wiki space and post it here. Others can review and merge it with the main document. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Nov 2 21:31:42 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:01:42 +0530 Subject: system-config-firewall and wording Message-ID: <472B973E.5050305@fedoraproject.org> Hi I have seen a couple of reviews about Fedora 8's system-config-firewall having incorrect grammar, punctuation or ambiguous wording. I would appreciate if someone could review it and file bug reports with better wording. Thanks. Rahul From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 2 21:40:07 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:40:07 +1300 Subject: AdminGuide work Message-ID: <472B9937.7050702@mkc.co.nz> All, I have just started Samba write-up for the Servers section in the Wiki. It's sandboxed at the moment, once I have complete layout and more content I shall copy it to Drafts. One question: some of the newer (like DNS) AdminGuide sections use the old layout, with TOCs but some others don't (like MailServer). 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My > understanding is that we should avoid TOCs and multiple pages to ease > wiki-->DocBook conversion. Is that correct? > > Vladimir > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 13:14:01 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 16:14:01 +0300 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help In-Reply-To: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> References: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711040514m7bcab740g4c08710f7f1f0e29@mail.gmail.com> On 10/30/07, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > This is a request for participation: > The KDE-SIG [1] is atm lacking active contributors. And we really need some < snip > Sorry for the delay in responding. As a contributor and lead writer for the Fedora Docs Project, I especially agree with the following: > > * Documentation writers: The documentation (esp. the DesktopUserGuide) is > GNOME-centered. Help us to provide an equivalent for KDE. > +1 As the lead writer for the Desktop User Guide (or DUG), I have plenty of work for anyone who wishes to promote the KDE side of the house as far as default apps installed when doing a "groupinstall KDE" or using the KDE LIve CD. An easy approach is to look at the existing GNOME-centric DUG and write up the KDE equivalent of the GNOME applications in a given section. For example, describe how to launch and use Konqueror as a web browser. Don't worry about where things fit in - I can take care of the placement of the material in the appropriate section of the DUG. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project Lead Writer, Desktop user Guide From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 17:50:06 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:50:06 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2007-11-04 IRC log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711040950g4219d265l5181595ee17f3ae2@mail.gmail.com> Roll call... hi-ya folks! BobJensen * jmbuser had his mandatory disconnect JohnBabich We expect no less! I may have to leave early, family errands... So there are 3 of us? Looks like. OK, our agenda is a bit crooked, so let's just take care of any leftover release business for now, since I'm sure that's what's on everyone's minds All right, current status of relnotes -- tonight I do a final POT sync, and notify f-trans-list I was just syncing some of the content before the meeting, fortunately not many changes. * stickster acknowledges that jmtaylor wanted to receive training on this stuff, will handle after meeting BTW there is some documentation work listed on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Todo * nim-nim hides According to the "postat" target, we have at least 11 languages complete or nearly complete for release notes this time around, several other partially done 6 locales done for IG too We are no longer setting _any_ bar for locales. If they make a PO file, we'll include them in the release notes package. If people in that locale use Fedora and read the relnotes, they'll notice problems and either fix them or they won't. Did anyone have any major objections to this? I asked on list and really didn't receive anything other than "+1" votes as a translator, I'd say +1 as well I disagree with it, however I would let the majority go with it Yeah, I think all the translators were in favor (all those that had something to say at least) Naturally they are in favor Well, we should recognize their work, and an incomplete translation is actually a motivator for some teams "Hey I can translate 2 paragraphs and get karma credit" As we go along some of these concepts get a little clearer to me. I used to be against completed work, now I'm doing a better job of recognizing the FOSS "release early, release often" philosophy s/against completed/against half-completed/ jmbuser: Did you want to talk about the DUG status? stickster: KDE-SIG put out a shout for some KDE docs - I seconded the motion stickster: There's been some nice encouraging words to help out with the DUG, but no volunteers Have you reached out to any of the people who popped up on f-docs-l recently with offers? stickster: I tried... * jmbuser is not a motivational speaker You can lead the horse to water, but... Wow, and that's just wiki work. Well, if someone's not willing to help there, chances are it's not worth chasing them down any longer. I will try and put in some work on the DUG after the release happens this time. But as we've already noted, individuals don't scale well. I swear I'll work on the DUG - I really will * jmbuser is serious, not kidding haha I know you'll be putting some time in, no worries There's been some good work on other guides, I've noticed Yeah, a lot of material going into admin guide couf_afk++ OK, I really don't have much else, guys. I've been really busy with non-Fedora stuff this week, but have been keeping up with the relnotes and IG stuff. jmtaylor: If you want, we can retire to #fedora-docs and do some cross-training AOB? stickster: sounds good +1 OK, 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... * stickster has changed the topic to: Documentation -- Meeting Closed John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Documentation Project From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 4 23:09:01 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:09:01 -0500 Subject: POT/PO update for release notes Message-ID: <1194217741.21450.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I just made a final update of the POT for the release-notes module. No more changes will be made before I pick up the completed PO files on Wednesday, November 7, at approximately 2359 UTC. At that time I will roll everything into a zero-day fedora-release-notes RPM package update for F-8. We can use this thread to discuss a target date for updating the package again for teams that want to work on updating their translation of the Release Notes materials. A target date of December 8 seems like a good place to start. If anyone has suggestions, the floor is yours! :-) Also, by the way, as mentioned in a previous thread, we will no longer be imposing any minimum limitation on translation completion for a locale to be included in the RPM. If you have a PO file entered, its translation output will be included in the distribution. If there are bugs for incomplete translation, we'll simply get them assigned to the proper teams. Thanks to everyone who worked so hard on getting these ready -- it looks like we'll have at least 11 languages ready on release date! You guys never fail to astound me with how much work you can accomplish in such a relatively short time. Congratulations to all the teams for their efforts! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 00:24:36 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:24:36 -0500 Subject: POT/PO update for release notes In-Reply-To: <1194217741.21450.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1194217741.21450.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1194222276.21450.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 18:09 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I just made a final update of the POT for the release-notes module. No > more changes will be made before I pick up the completed PO files on > Wednesday, November 7, at approximately 2359 UTC. At that time I will > roll everything into a zero-day fedora-release-notes RPM package update > for F-8. Sorry to reply to myself, but I wanted to note that there is a 1-string update to the F-8 branches of the following modules as well: about-fedora homepage readme readme-burning-isos readme-live-image I copied the string from the release-notes module so it wouldn't cost much extra work for translators. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From antoniathlonnt at gmail.com Mon Nov 5 14:43:42 2007 From: antoniathlonnt at gmail.com (Antoni Ridzki Andromeda) Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:43:42 +0700 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711040514m7bcab740g4c08710f7f1f0e29@mail.gmail.com> References: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> <9d2c731f0711040514m7bcab740g4c08710f7f1f0e29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f464300711050643m42d52d81rad8a2d86c5f11f0c@mail.gmail.com> Dear, I'm sorry if I replying this in a wrong place. I still don't understand this working. I hope people can use easiest way to contribute to fedora. So I don't need to do such things explained in fedora project wiki. I need your help, I've just apllied for fedora account, I got it, but in order to use it I need (if correct) to introduce myself to forum thorugh wiki, the problem is I can't enter to freenode at irc, this in turn, makes me unable to contact anyone within edit group. So, I cannot introduce myself. Please help me, I cannot connect to freenode, so please help me to gain edit previledge at wiki, so I can introduce myself, and I can help fedora project in translating software and documents to Indonesian Language. Thanks for your help. regards, Antoni Ridzki Andromeda On 11/4/07, John Babich wrote: > > On 10/30/07, Sebastian Vahl wrote: > > This is a request for participation: > > The KDE-SIG [1] is atm lacking active contributors. And we really need > some > < snip > > > Sorry for the delay in responding. > > As a contributor and lead writer for the Fedora Docs Project, I > especially agree with the following: > > > > * Documentation writers: The documentation (esp. the DesktopUserGuide) > is > > GNOME-centered. Help us to provide an equivalent for KDE. > > > > +1 > > As the lead writer for the Desktop User Guide (or DUG), I have plenty > of work for anyone who wishes to promote the KDE side of the house as > far as default apps installed when doing a "groupinstall KDE" or using > the KDE LIve CD. > > An easy approach is to look at the existing GNOME-centric DUG and > write up the KDE equivalent of the GNOME applications in a given > section. For example, describe how to launch and use Konqueror as a > web browser. > > Don't worry about where things fit in - I can take care of the > placement of the material in the appropriate section of the DUG. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > Lead Writer, Desktop user Guide > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Live your life, don't waste it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi Tue Nov 6 08:59:12 2007 From: vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi (Ville-Pekka Vainio) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:59:12 +0200 Subject: Markup problem in release-notes F-8 branch Message-ID: <200711061059.12886.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Hi all, There's an XML markup problem in release-notes F-8 branch Colophon.xml at line 212. The element is not closed as it should be: Marek Mahut (translator - Slovak) <-- should probably go here! This causes a weird msgid in the po files, see http://f3dora.org/paste/412 and the same if of course visible in the final document, see http://cs.helsinki.fi/u/vpivaini/fedora/RELEASE-NOTES-fi/sn-Colophon.html#sn-Contributors I didn't try to fix it myself, since I'm not quite sure what should be done besides committing the fix to cvs. Maybe make po pot? Anything else? -- Ville-Pekka Vainio From kwade at redhat.com Tue Nov 6 15:37:57 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 07:37:57 -0800 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help In-Reply-To: <29f464300711050643m42d52d81rad8a2d86c5f11f0c@mail.gmail.com> References: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> <9d2c731f0711040514m7bcab740g4c08710f7f1f0e29@mail.gmail.com> <29f464300711050643m42d52d81rad8a2d86c5f11f0c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194363477.4307.274.camel@erato.phig.org> On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 21:43 +0700, Antoni Ridzki Andromeda wrote: > I need your help, I've just apllied for fedora account, I got it, but > in order to use it I need (if correct) to introduce myself to forum > thorugh wiki, the problem is I can't enter to freenode at irc, this in > turn, makes me unable to contact anyone within edit group. So, I > cannot introduce myself. > > Please help me, I cannot connect to freenode, so please help me to > gain edit previledge at wiki, so I can introduce myself, and I can > help fedora project in translating software and documents to > Indonesian Language. Self introductions happens on mailing lists, not on IRC. You can just follow the directions to introduce yourself to the appropriate mailing list. I think that list for you is fedora-trans-list, yes? Did you need wiki access for translating? That is usually handled through a Fedora account: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join Have you done all the steps up to 5? I think I see the flaw there -- to get added EditGroup you need someone to know who you are. Maybe the step "Introduce yourself" needs to appear earlier? I recommend you introduce yourself to your mailing list, and in that intro ask someone to add you to the wiki EditGroup. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 15:46:35 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:46:35 -0500 Subject: RW CVS Access In-Reply-To: <1194311233.3501.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1194311233.3501.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1194363995.30261.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 20:07 -0500, jason taylor wrote: > Hi, After that tutorial Sunday and playing around with it a bit, I was > wondering what the next step is? Should I apply for read-write CVS > access? Is there anything in particular you would recommend working on > at this point? Thanks in advance. I'm moving this to the list for followup. Open processes means we can conduct all this work there. You can get this access by applying for "cvsdocs" group in the Fedora Account System (admin.fp.o?). We'll grant it, no problem. As for things to work on -- how about the Respin Guide? There's no content there, nor anything but a "blank" module location, but that would allow you to apply the knowledge in the Documentation Guide so you understand the module workings. Also, neither the DUG nor the AG is ready for any kind of porting yet, so best to keep those in wiki-land for now. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The element is not closed as it should be: > > > url="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MarekMahut">Marek > Mahut (translator - Slovak) > <-- should probably go here! > > > This causes a weird msgid in the po files, see http://f3dora.org/paste/412 and > the same if of course visible in the final document, see > http://cs.helsinki.fi/u/vpivaini/fedora/RELEASE-NOTES-fi/sn-Colophon.html#sn-Contributors > > I didn't try to fix it myself, since I'm not quite sure what should be done > besides committing the fix to cvs. Maybe make po pot? Anything else? I screwed this up, sorry. It is fixed now in both devel and F-8 branches, thanks to Karsten's catch. Mea maxima culpa! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am currently using Kate, but a friend is quickly converting me to jEdit :) Kind Regards, Murray. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Nov 6 23:51:09 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:51:09 +0900 Subject: what writing tools do you use? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194393069.12773.8.camel@strikeforce.mwiriadi.id.au> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 08:52 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am writing on behalf of my fellow content authors at Red Hat Asia > Pacific. We are curious to know what tools everyone is using for > writing, including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic > tools, and so on. This is sort of a survey, and we are always keen to > try out new tools/ways of doing things if they will improve on what we > currently use. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, and please don't hesitate to send > off-list responses to murray.mcallister at gmail.com > > Thanks for the help everyone. > > I am currently using Kate, but a friend is quickly converting me to jEdit :) At the moment to get the styling done I'm using OpenOffice as put up on the wiki then doing a save as. I'm fairly new so I have no real idea of the way to do things so I used that at the moment. Cheers, Marc From draciron at gmail.com Tue Nov 6 23:56:58 2007 From: draciron at gmail.com (Dan Smith) Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:56:58 -0600 Subject: what writing tools do you use? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Me I do my roughs in Kedit, then move them to Open Office or to Abiword for final checks. What I hope to do is build a writer's editor. I also write novels and find the tools for writing a novel to be basically worthless. I wind up doing things on paper as often as not when it comes to notes, story lines and such because word processors are so bulky and worthless, and the light editors so poorly designed for the task. Mostly it's a matter of sitting down and finding the time to get back into programming. Hadn't coded anything major in several years. All the tools have changed. On 11/6/07, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am writing on behalf of my fellow content authors at Red Hat Asia > Pacific. We are curious to know what tools everyone is using for > writing, including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic > tools, and so on. This is sort of a survey, and we are always keen to > try out new tools/ways of doing things if they will improve on what we > currently use. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, and please don't hesitate to send > off-list responses to murray.mcallister at gmail.com > > Thanks for the help everyone. > > I am currently using Kate, but a friend is quickly converting me to jEdit :) > > Kind Regards, > > Murray. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From antoniathlonnt at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 04:03:20 2007 From: antoniathlonnt at gmail.com (Antoni Ridzki Andromeda) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:03:20 +0700 Subject: The KDE-SIG needs (your) help In-Reply-To: <1194363477.4307.274.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <200710292315.23149.ml@deadbabylon.de> <9d2c731f0711040514m7bcab740g4c08710f7f1f0e29@mail.gmail.com> <29f464300711050643m42d52d81rad8a2d86c5f11f0c@mail.gmail.com> <1194363477.4307.274.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <29f464300711062003i72955b55kc46d3974695794f9@mail.gmail.com> I've done steps until 5 at pointed URL. I just cannot Introduce Myself through Wiki, It said on step five that I need to get someone who has Edit access to grant me edit access, so I can write my self introduction. Are your sure I need to introduce myself to mailing list? Where should I sent it (the e-mail address, fedora-trans-list at redhat.com) Thanks for your help. I really want to translate all software or documentation to Indonesia Language. Including KDE. Because Fedora is gaining popularity here. Indonesia is a large archipelago country. For now, from 200million people lives in Indonesia, only 4.2 million of them know computer. When computer comes to rest of them, I want them to know Fedora Linux, and in their own native language, so the will find that Linux is easy, friendly, usable, strong, etc. Thanks, Linux for Life, VIVA LINUX!!!! On 11/6/07, Karsten Wade < kwade at redhat.com> wrote: > > On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 21:43 +0700, Antoni Ridzki Andromeda wrote: > > > I need your help, I've just apllied for fedora account, I got it, but > > in order to use it I need (if correct) to introduce myself to forum > > thorugh wiki, the problem is I can't enter to freenode at irc, this in > > turn, makes me unable to contact anyone within edit group. So, I > > cannot introduce myself. > > > > Please help me, I cannot connect to freenode, so please help me to > > gain edit previledge at wiki, so I can introduce myself, and I can > > help fedora project in translating software and documents to > > Indonesian Language. > > Self introductions happens on mailing lists, not on IRC. You can just > follow the directions to introduce yourself to the appropriate mailing > list. I think that list for you is fedora-trans-list, yes? > > Did you need wiki access for translating? That is usually handled > through a Fedora account: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join > > Have you done all the steps up to 5? > > I think I see the flaw there -- to get added EditGroup you need someone > to know who you are. Maybe the step "Introduce yourself" needs to > appear earlier? > > I recommend you introduce yourself to your mailing list, and in that > intro ask someone to add you to the wiki EditGroup. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- Live your life, don't waste it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:59:39 -0500 Subject: what writing tools do you use? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194443979.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 08:52 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am writing on behalf of my fellow content authors at Red Hat Asia > Pacific. We are curious to know what tools everyone is using for > writing, including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic > tools, and so on. This is sort of a survey, and we are always keen to > try out new tools/ways of doing things if they will improve on what we > currently use. > > Any help is greatly appreciated, and please don't hesitate to send > off-list responses to murray.mcallister at gmail.com > > Thanks for the help everyone. > > I am currently using Kate, but a friend is quickly converting me to jEdit :) I use Emacs for writing and editing, although I truly wish someone had time or personnel to invest in better XSLT/styling for OpenOffice.org, so habitual GUI users could write a document in a Writer template and then convert it to DocBook XML without a lot of retagging needed later. I like Inkscape a LOT for drawing and diagramming, especially since SVGs are XML and can be embedded easily in DocBook AIUI. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 14:21:53 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:21:53 +0300 Subject: what writing tools do you use? In-Reply-To: <1194443979.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> <1194443979.4100.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711070621j5aebec77of87b872cfd5f5055@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 7, 2007 4:59 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 08:52 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I am writing on behalf of my fellow content authors at Red Hat Asia > > Pacific. We are curious to know what tools everyone is using for > > writing, including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic > > tools, and so on. This is sort of a survey, and we are always keen to > > try out new tools/ways of doing things if they will improve on what we > > currently use. > > > > To quote Paul: > I use Emacs for writing and editing, although I truly wish someone had > time or personnel to invest in better XSLT/styling for OpenOffice.org, > so habitual GUI users could write a document in a Writer template > then convert it to DocBook XML without a lot of retagging needed later. > +1 on OOo Writer as a DocBook XML editor - I have looked at quite a few editors for GNOME and KDE that purport to do DocBook XML. Surely there are other people out there who can see the value of this. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas/PrintView. Meanwhile, I use whatever editor I can get my hands on in Linux (or when absolutely unavoidable) in Windows XP. > I like Inkscape a LOT for drawing and diagramming, especially since SVGs > are XML and can be embedded easily in DocBook AIUI. > I also am excited about the potential of SVG for diagrams with translatable embedded text. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project "FOSS Docs the FOSS Way!" From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Thu Nov 8 18:46:13 2007 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:46:13 -0200 Subject: Changes in GPG/SSH Keys generation/CLA Request howto In-Reply-To: <472B255F.3060105@fedoraproject.org> References: <472B255F.3060105@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: 2007/11/2, Rahul Sundaram : > Write the content in your personal wiki space and post it here. Others > can review and merge it with the main document. Done! * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DavidsonPaulo/Drafts/DocsProject/UsingGpg/CreatingKeys * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DavidsonPaulo/Drafts/Infrastructure/AccountSystem/CLAHowTo Regards, -- Davidson Paulo Administrador de Sistemas Linux Certificado LPI N?vel 1: LPI000132770 L?der Nacional do Grupo de Usu?rios BrOffice.org http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 9 01:50:40 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 20:50:40 -0500 Subject: permissions and access control In-Reply-To: <472A3906.3010302@mkc.co.nz> References: <95f1114b0710292332x7088050ayaa59e70b58876286@mail.gmail.com> <60798.192.168.1.11.1193735952.squirrel@www.mkc.co.nz> <472A3906.3010302@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1194573040.26121.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 09:37 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > Hi list. > > ACLs section of the AdminGuide is done, ready for review/input/fixes. > > Are there any docs that need urgent attention that I can help with? If > not, I'll just move onto other parts of the AdminGuide. I would say keep the new material cranking for now! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 09:37 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: >> Hi list. >> >> ACLs section of the AdminGuide is done, ready for review/input/fixes. >> >> Are there any docs that need urgent attention that I can help with? If >> not, I'll just move onto other parts of the AdminGuide. > > I would say keep the new material cranking for now! > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 9 15:38:44 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:38:44 -0800 Subject: wiki collaboration Message-ID: <1194622724.23923.71.camel@erato.phig.org> Just a quick reminder to those who are new to collaborating with wikis. One of the great things about a wiki is the ability for you to watch one or more pages for edits. Then, if there is something to correct or add in an edit from someone else, you can just go fix it. For you folks who are newer to the team, you may have experienced me or another editor dropping by your document and doing a whole bunch of corrections, usually of the markup/wiki syntax, and often adjusting grammar or tense. This is to be expected (we all need reminders of markup syntax and to use active tense), and it is a good way for you to learn while you are doing the work. I try to appear early enough in the work process that I can help you with pointers, so it helps the rest of your future work. So don't feel singled out when one of us jumps on your page and uses it as an example to you of how to do things the Fedora Docs way. It happens with everyone. :) ... and unfortunately, the comment field is just big enough to put in pointers to e.g. WikiEditing#MarkingTechnicalContent and to type in much more than that. You all are doing great work; there is so much activity on some days the wiki edits just blur by. It makes my heart sing. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From geert.warrink at onsnet.nu Sat Nov 10 20:10:15 2007 From: geert.warrink at onsnet.nu (Geert Warrink) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:10:15 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Geert Warrink Message-ID: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> Mij name is Geert Warrink and I live in the village Nuenen in the Netherlands. Currently I am retired, but before that I worked as an electronic engineer with Philips Research. In the last period of my working life, I supported the users of our in-house IC design simulation package called Pstar. This included giving courses to users and writing user documentation. The language used in these activity was mostly English. My goal in the Fedora project is the translation of documentation to Dutch. I think that I could do a good job as I have experience in this kind of activities buildup in my working period. Besides, being retired now, I do have quite an amount of time available to spend on this project. I have been using Linux since 1995 of a PC, before that I experimented with Linux on an Amiga 2000. In the past, I have done some programming, but I don't really like that. All in all, I think that I can improve quality and at least the quantity of the Dutch Fedora Documentation. Kind regards, Geert Warrink pub 1024D/A77649D7 2007-11-10 Key fingerprint = 46AB 6423 16D4 E0A0 CCFD 3D78 6620 BA7C A776 49D7 uid Geert Warrink sub 2048g/88272F93 2007-11-10 From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 15:05:49 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:05:49 -0500 Subject: wiki collaboration In-Reply-To: <1194622724.23923.71.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1194622724.23923.71.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1194707149.19515.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 07:38 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > Just a quick reminder to those who are new to collaborating with wikis. > > One of the great things about a wiki is the ability for you to watch one > or more pages for edits. Then, if there is something to correct or add > in an edit from someone else, you can just go fix it. > > For you folks who are newer to the team, you may have experienced me or > another editor dropping by your document and doing a whole bunch of > corrections, usually of the markup/wiki syntax, and often adjusting > grammar or tense. > > This is to be expected (we all need reminders of markup syntax and to > use active tense), and it is a good way for you to learn while you are > doing the work. I try to appear early enough in the work process that I > can help you with pointers, so it helps the rest of your future work. > > So don't feel singled out when one of us jumps on your page and uses it > as an example to you of how to do things the Fedora Docs way. It > happens with everyone. :) ... and unfortunately, the comment field is > just big enough to put in pointers to e.g. > WikiEditing#MarkingTechnicalContent and to type in much more than that. > > You all are doing great work; there is so much activity on some days the > wiki edits just blur by. It makes my heart sing. :) Right on! Especially since we have many participants who are non-native English speakers, no one is required to do things perfectly -- EVER, much less the first time. :-) The wiki is all about incremental improvements by using the Power of Many Hands. That makes it a great place to draft documents, especially if you don't feel confident with the more developer-ish tools. For lengthy documents, I might make changes up to a certain point, then ask the author(s) to go back into the rest of the document and apply the same kind of changes. Some of the things that Karsten has wisely pointed out for me in the past, and which might help you as you write, include: 1. If you see the word "will," you probably need to rewrite the sentence. 2. You should almost never need parentheses ( ). 3. Avoid "I," "me," "we," "us," and -- to the extent possible -- "you." 4. Read and re-read the Style Guide, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide, for hints. :-) Thanks for all the contributions -- like Karsten, I'm really happy about the fact that people are really rolling up their sleeves and getting their hands dirty! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:58:29 -0500 Subject: Meeting cancellation Message-ID: <1194800309.11970.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Today's scheduled FDSCo meeting (1700 UTC) looks to be canceled at this point. Most of the committee attendees will not be available today. Perhaps we should think about rescheduling our times since our uptake has been low lately. There was a scheduler page around the wiki that we completed before, but I can't seem to find it. Link appreciated if someone knows where we laid it... -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:07:06 -0500 Subject: Errara in F8 Install Guide In-Reply-To: <369bce3b0711102351i5d332f00o59bef443f6914c40@mail.gmail.com> References: <369bce3b0711102351i5d332f00o59bef443f6914c40@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1194797226.11970.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 23:51 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > Hello, > I just noticed an errata in our F8 install-guide[1]. > > "No Live Images for ppc > > Fedora does not offer Live images available for the ppc architecture > due to resource constraints." > > Oops, since we *do* offer Live image for ppc[2] for F8, we need to fix it. :) > > [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f8/en_US/sn-which-files.html > [2] http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Live/ppc/ Thomas, Please file bugs in Bugzilla rather than mailing the list, since it helps us track our "to do" list. Thanks! -- Paul W. 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Is that correct? > > Vladimir, sorry for the delay in responding. As one who sees the value of wiki writing and appreciates the power of DocBook XML, I still like to use the wiki table of contents macro and multiple wiki pages. I find it helps me organize my thoughts. However, you should do whatever works for you. If you would like other people to contribute to the Samba section, I would encourage you to move your section to the Docs Draft area for the Admin Guide. > BTW, I just figured how tough is this one going to be - word 'windows' > will be used more times in this section alone than in the rest of the > wiki put together :-( That's a burden you must bear writing about Samba :-) John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 11 16:22:53 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:22:53 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Geert Warrink In-Reply-To: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> References: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> Message-ID: <1194798173.11970.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 21:10 +0100, Geert Warrink wrote: > Mij name is Geert Warrink and I live in the village Nuenen in the > Netherlands. > Currently I am retired, but before that I worked as an electronic > engineer with Philips Research. In the last period of my working life, I > supported the users of our in-house IC design simulation package called > Pstar. This included giving courses to users and writing user > documentation. The language used in these activity was mostly English. > > My goal in the Fedora project is the translation of documentation to > Dutch. > > I think that I could do a good job as I have experience in this kind of > activities buildup in my working period. Besides, being retired now, I > do have quite an amount of time available to spend on this project. > I have been using Linux since 1995 of a PC, before that I experimented > with Linux on an Amiga 2000. > In the past, I have done some programming, but I don't really like > that. > > All in all, I think that I can improve quality and at least the quantity > of the Dutch Fedora Documentation. Welcome Geert -- if you haven't already, you will probably want to join the fedora-trans-list and check out the Translation Quick Start Guide at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ . -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 20:21:19 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:21:19 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Geert Warrink In-Reply-To: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> References: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711101221g67e13ea3peb78ff48bd0d9065@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 10, 2007 11:10 PM, Geert Warrink wrote: > Mij name is Geert Warrink and I live in the village Nuenen in the > Netherlands. Welkom, Geert! > Currently I am retired, but before that I worked as an electronic > engineer with Philips Research. In the last period of my working life, I > supported the users of our in-house IC design simulation package called > Pstar. This included giving courses to users and writing user > documentation. The language used in these activity was mostly English. > You sound like a contemporary of mine. However, I haven't had the pleasure of retiring yet. > My goal in the Fedora project is the translation of documentation to > Dutch. > That's great - at the same time, I hope you decide to contribute to some documents in English, such as the Desktop Users Guide. You can then translate them into Dutch. :-) > I think that I could do a good job as I have experience in this kind of > activities buildup in my working period. Besides, being retired now, I > do have quite an amount of time available to spend on this project. > I have been using Linux since 1995 of a PC, before that I experimented > with Linux on an Amiga 2000. > In the past, I have done some programming, but I don't really like > that. > > All in all, I think that I can improve quality and at least the quantity > of the Dutch Fedora Documentation. Since you are introducing yourself on the mailing list, I'm sure that you have read the guidelines in the wiki for participating in the Fedora Docs Project. Of course, the Fedora Translation Project is also a good fit for your language skills. Once again, welcome to the Fedora Docs Project. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Nov 12 11:36:32 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:36:32 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Geert Warrink In-Reply-To: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> References: <1194725415.5619.19.camel@swan> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711120336p32dcd381x74f1b81f5e356f20@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 11, 2007 6:10 AM, Geert Warrink wrote: > Mij name is Geert Warrink and I live in the village Nuenen in the > Netherlands. > Currently I am retired, but before that I worked as an electronic > engineer with Philips Research. In the last period of my working life, I > supported the users of our in-house IC design simulation package called > Pstar. This included giving courses to users and writing user > documentation. The language used in these activity was mostly English. > > My goal in the Fedora project is the translation of documentation to > Dutch. > > I think that I could do a good job as I have experience in this kind of > activities buildup in my working period. Besides, being retired now, I > do have quite an amount of time available to spend on this project. > I have been using Linux since 1995 of a PC, before that I experimented > with Linux on an Amiga 2000. > In the past, I have done some programming, but I don't really like > that. > > All in all, I think that I can improve quality and at least the quantity > of the Dutch Fedora Documentation. > > Kind regards, > Geert Warrink > Hi Geert, Welcome! Have fun with whatever you do! Cheers, Murray. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From tchung at fedoraproject.org Mon Nov 12 10:23:08 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 02:23:08 -0800 Subject: Errara in F8 Install Guide In-Reply-To: <1194797226.11970.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <369bce3b0711102351i5d332f00o59bef443f6914c40@mail.gmail.com> <1194797226.11970.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <369bce3b0711120223l5ae82e9bxa5d2763843db8b15@mail.gmail.com> On 11/11/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-10 at 23:51 -0800, Thomas Chung wrote: > > Hello, > > I just noticed an errata in our F8 install-guide[1]. > > > > "No Live Images for ppc > > > > Fedora does not offer Live images available for the ppc architecture > > due to resource constraints." > > > > Oops, since we *do* offer Live image for ppc[2] for F8, we need to fix it. :) > > > > [1] http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f8/en_US/sn-which-files.html > > [2] http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Live/ppc/ > > Thomas, > > Please file bugs in Bugzilla rather than mailing the list, since it > helps us track our "to do" list. Thanks! Thanks Paul, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=377431 -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung From kwade at redhat.com Mon Nov 12 20:10:29 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:10:29 -0800 Subject: Meeting cancellation In-Reply-To: <1194800309.11970.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1194800309.11970.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1194898238.6870.58.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 11:58 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Today's scheduled FDSCo meeting (1700 UTC) looks to be canceled at this > point. Most of the committee attendees will not be available today. > Perhaps we should think about rescheduling our times since our uptake > has been low lately. There was a scheduler page around the wiki that we > completed before, but I can't seem to find it. Link appreciated if > someone knows where we laid it... Thanks, Firefox history ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Scheduler But we're back to the same square as before. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Nov 13 02:10:22 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:10:22 +0900 (WST) Subject: Meeting cancellation Message-ID: <21662.139.230.245.20.1194919822.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > On Sun, 2007-11-11 at 11:58 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> Today's scheduled FDSCo meeting (1700 UTC) looks to be canceled at this >> point. Most of the committee attendees will not be available today. >> Perhaps we should think about rescheduling our times since our uptake >> has been low lately. There was a scheduler page around the wiki that we >> completed before, but I can't seem to find it. Link appreciated if >> someone knows where we laid it... > > Thanks, Firefox history ... > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Scheduler > Just to note that I'm at +8 or +9 GMT depending on day light savings which is currently on at the moment. So if you work the time out I will not be able to attend. Cheers, Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Tue Nov 13 04:58:10 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:58:10 +1300 Subject: Administration Guide - general maintenance Message-ID: <47392EE2.3050806@mkc.co.nz> All, I was going to do a bit of mop-up on AdminGuide pages, fix broken links, stuff like that. 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There are two related structures in the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SELinux https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux The latter one is 'published' document, according to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs Should we look at: 1] merging the two 2] adding them to AdminGuide draft 3] unlinking published doc from draft AdminGuide 4] doing something else 5] doing nothing? Vladimir Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > All, I was going to do a bit of mop-up on AdminGuide pages, fix broken > links, stuff like that. Before I go and change a bunch of this stuff, > one question: > > Are the links to particular modules on this page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Contributors > > supposed to point to draft docs or something else, that will eventually > become available in the wiki root / published docs section? Content of > that table needs better alignment with the intro page / actual written > draft content, so I'll do that too. Then, all the contributors can use > the table again to self-assign tasks they wish to pick. > > That OK? > > Cheers, Vladimir > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 00:17:09 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:17:09 -0500 Subject: Administration Guide - general maintenance In-Reply-To: <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> References: <47392EE2.3050806@mkc.co.nz> <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1194999429.3612.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:25 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: [...snip...] > What is the story with SELinux docs? There are two related structures in > the wiki: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SELinux > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux > > The latter one is 'published' document, according to > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs > > Should we look at: > > 1] merging the two > 2] adding them to AdminGuide draft > 3] unlinking published doc from draft AdminGuide > 4] doing something else > 5] doing nothing? SELinux definitely is too complicated to inhabit part of the Admin Guide. In fact, if the Admin Guide is scoped properly, users should generally not need to know anything about it (i.e. things just work as long as you follow best practices). The SELinux documentation used to be maintained by Karsten in cahoots with at least one other fellow, but Karsten is *way* overassigned between his normal @RH job, his other Fedora duties such as the Board, and, y'know, family. ;-) It would be really cool if someone who is not already working on a task would get involved to shepherd the SELinux Guide through updates to bring it inline with Fedora 8 -- which probably is not as drastic an overhaul as you might think, since much of what's in the SELinux Guide is principle and not practice, and therefore only needs minor tweaks. Where I'd bet it needs some additional material is in (1) eliminating any reference to the "strict" policy, which is gone now; (2) adding or updating information on using the spiffy new command line and GUI tools such as setroubleshoot/sealert, system-config-selinux, and the various policy building tools; and (3) a brief rundown on what makes SELinux different from (and superior to) AppArmor. (Zing!) Much of this material is well documented on Dan Walsh's SELinux materials already on the wiki and his blog, and he has always been more than happy to advise people on any fine points. The SELinux Guide is maintained as DocBook XML in CVS, so there is a minimal requirement for a very small portion of command line skill to get involved here. It should be nothing beyond the reach of anyone who's been running Linux for more than a few months. Jason Taylor has already stepped up to the plate to help with Release Notes -- although I should point out that I'm by no means putting him in a minimal skill category -- and I think he can confirm that it's a relatively painless process. I (or any of several other contributors) can help anyone get started, as he can also attest. Interested parties, please roll up your sleeves! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 14 01:06:36 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:06:36 -0800 Subject: Administration Guide - general maintenance In-Reply-To: <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> References: <47392EE2.3050806@mkc.co.nz> <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1195002396.6487.37.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:25 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SELinux > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux Paul covered this pretty well, and I wanted to make one additional point. The wiki/SELinux is a 'project namespace', meaning, it is for the members of the SIG (special interest group) or sub-project that work on that technology (the developers, packagers, etc.) It also contains content that the *project* maintains, which is different from content *this project* maintains. So, if we see content under wiki/SELinux that we want to maintain in the Docs Project, we can talk with the project members and see how they want to do it. One way is to move the content to a wiki/Docs/SELinux area. This makes it formal content maintained by the Docs folks that can be collaborated on in the wiki. Another way is to become downstream consumers of the SELinux Project documentation, so we just tweak it to fit Fedora. As Paul pointed out, the 'SELinux FAQ' (not 'Guide') is in XML and is pretty easy to update. It's also a good learning document for XML, since it is relatively small (one
) and uses a nice mix of styles. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Nov 14 03:37:54 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:37:54 +0900 Subject: Administration Guide - general maintenance In-Reply-To: <1195002396.6487.37.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <47392EE2.3050806@mkc.co.nz> <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> <1195002396.6487.37.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1195011475.3224.0.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:06 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:25 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SELinux > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux > > Paul covered this pretty well, and I wanted to make one additional > point. The wiki/SELinux is a 'project namespace', meaning, it is for > the members of the SIG (special interest group) or sub-project that work > on that technology (the developers, packagers, etc.) It also contains > content that the *project* maintains, which is different from content > *this project* maintains. > > So, if we see content under wiki/SELinux that we want to maintain in the > Docs Project, we can talk with the project members and see how they want > to do it. One way is to move the content to a wiki/Docs/SELinux area. > This makes it formal content maintained by the Docs folks that can be > collaborated on in the wiki. Another way is to become downstream > consumers of the SELinux Project documentation, so we just tweak it to > fit Fedora. > > As Paul pointed out, the 'SELinux FAQ' (not 'Guide') is in XML and is > pretty easy to update. It's also a good learning document for XML, > since it is relatively small (one
) and uses a nice mix of > styles. How do I go about getting cvs access to get the document? Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Nov 14 03:42:18 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:42:18 +0900 Subject: Administration Guide - general maintenance In-Reply-To: <1195011475.3224.0.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <47392EE2.3050806@mkc.co.nz> <473A0835.2060404@mkc.co.nz> <1195002396.6487.37.camel@erato.phig.org> <1195011475.3224.0.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1195011738.3224.2.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 12:37 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 17:06 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 09:25 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SELinux > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SELinux > > > > Paul covered this pretty well, and I wanted to make one additional > > point. The wiki/SELinux is a 'project namespace', meaning, it is for > > the members of the SIG (special interest group) or sub-project that work > > on that technology (the developers, packagers, etc.) It also contains > > content that the *project* maintains, which is different from content > > *this project* maintains. > > > > So, if we see content under wiki/SELinux that we want to maintain in the > > Docs Project, we can talk with the project members and see how they want > > to do it. One way is to move the content to a wiki/Docs/SELinux area. > > This makes it formal content maintained by the Docs folks that can be > > collaborated on in the wiki. Another way is to become downstream > > consumers of the SELinux Project documentation, so we just tweak it to > > fit Fedora. > > > > As Paul pointed out, the 'SELinux FAQ' (not 'Guide') is in XML and is > > pretty easy to update. It's also a good learning document for XML, > > since it is relatively small (one
) and uses a nice mix of > > styles. > > How do I go about getting cvs access to get the document? > > Cheers, > > Marc > Would it be better for me to check it out anonymously first up and then request access at a later date? I don't want to overwrite anything that is incorrect or worse? Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 11:17:21 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:17:21 +1000 Subject: [was what writing tools do you use] Message-ID: <95f1114b0711140317n7ef77e9cg6edede937beca25c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Just following up on the survey. I noticed a few people using OpenOffice - is this because there are some magical XML tools for it? Just curious, as I've never used Open Office, or considered it, for Docbook. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 12:46:37 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 07:46:37 -0500 Subject: [was what writing tools do you use] In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711140317n7ef77e9cg6edede937beca25c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711140317n7ef77e9cg6edede937beca25c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195044397.3612.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 21:17 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Just following up on the survey. I noticed a few people using > OpenOffice - is this because there are some magical XML tools for it? > Just curious, as I've never used Open Office, or considered it, for > Docbook. > > Thanks for the help. OpenOffice.org saves its own files in an XML format (inside a ZIP archive named with a ".od?" extension). OO.o also has XSLT available to save documents as DocBook, but the template is rather limited, and there is no style package to help the user stick with styles that will translate well through the XSLT. In general, you can do OK if you stick only with Heading[123], Body Text, and a couple of the list formats, but it's not really ready for prime time IMHO. Being able to use markup like , , , , , and are pretty important in our docs. The fact that these things are missing is just a matter of elbow grease though. It's not some miraculous programming feat that's needed, just some people who are XML/XSLT friendly and have time to come up with the appropriate transformations. If I'd had the time, I guess I'd have worked on this already, but my XSLT tends to be a *lot* of trial and error. (And error. And error....) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 20:09:21 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:09:21 +1100 Subject: [was what writing tools do you use] In-Reply-To: <1195044397.3612.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0711140317n7ef77e9cg6edede937beca25c@mail.gmail.com> <1195044397.3612.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711141209y4a2e0b2fqcbf2932781a3a469@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 14, 2007 11:46 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 21:17 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Just following up on the survey. I noticed a few people using > > OpenOffice - is this because there are some magical XML tools for it? > > Just curious, as I've never used Open Office, or considered it, for > > Docbook. > > > > Thanks for the help. > > OpenOffice.org saves its own files in an XML format (inside a ZIP > archive named with a ".od?" extension). OO.o also has XSLT available to > save documents as DocBook, but the template is rather limited, and there > is no style package to help the user stick with styles that will > translate well through the XSLT. In general, you can do OK if you stick > only with Heading[123], Body Text, and a couple of the list formats, but > it's not really ready for prime time IMHO. Being able to use markup > like , , , , , and > are pretty important in our docs. > > The fact that these things are missing is just a matter of elbow grease > though. It's not some miraculous programming feat that's needed, just > some people who are XML/XSLT friendly and have time to come up with the > appropriate transformations. If I'd had the time, I guess I'd have > worked on this already, but my XSLT tends to be a *lot* of trial and > error. (And error. And error....) > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > Hi Paul, Thanks for the great feedback. I'll have to take a closer look, I have noticed the save to xml/docbook features, but I've never tried them properly ;) As far as XML/XSLT goes, I have no idea so I'd be no help. However, I do know someone who may be interested :) Kind Regards, Murray. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 14 20:57:02 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:57:02 -0800 Subject: what writing tools do you use? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711061452l6bd7b50eh3e967e328fcdf492@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195073822.6487.165.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-07 at 08:52 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I am writing on behalf of my fellow content authors at Red Hat Asia > Pacific. We are curious to know what tools everyone is using for > writing, including editors, research tools, diagram tools, graphic > tools, and so on. This is sort of a survey, and we are always keen to > try out new tools/ways of doing things if they will improve on what we > currently use. = Writing = * WordPress, Wiki -- browser based editing + the Firefox 'It's All Text'[1] extension (loads HTML TEXTAREA into my $EDITOR, saves countless hours of badness and lost productivity.) * Emacs -- all DocBook XML work done here, it's still the best. I also do most of my note taking and initial drafts here. I also compile documents from within Emacs (M ! to do a shell command, then 'make html-en_US' etc.) * OO.org -- for business documents when I need to collaborate with others who are not savvy with text and diff tools. :) = Graphics/Diagrams = In order of usage for writing tasks: 1. Inkscape -- has replaced most of my usage from before 2. GIMP -- for raster image tasks 3. Xfig -- I prefer this over Dia, it seems better featured and I like the way it works 4. Dia -- when all else fails or I need a very quick diagram that includes network equipment images - Karsten [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To publish from CVS is a different animal. :) If you have a Fedora account[1] then you can request access to the 'cvsdocs' group from this page: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/userbox.cgi?_edit=1 This is your personal account page in edit mode, and in the lower-left corner there is an area for ''Add new membership''. Type in cvsdocs and select user for the ''Role type:'', then click ''Add''. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList#Fedoraaccount Come by #fedora-docs and/or ask all questions here, we'll try to give fast replies. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: Release notes for F9 Message-ID: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> * For Fedora 9, the release notes and its derivative documents such as the release summary, press release, et al. should take care not to trumpet version number changes in the absence of other details that talk about improvements visible to "normal users." One of the most popular Linux podcasts brought this up during their segment on Fedora 8. Saying things like "Fedora 9 has FooBar 1.8" is not as meaningful as making brief reference to the many wonderful improvements in FooBar 1.8 since whatever FooBar was in Fedora 8. * For F9 the Release Summary should be drawn directly from the OverView beat to the greatest extent possible. The OverView beat should feature content that is the most meaningful to end users, developers, and community members using the Fedora platform. If this means the Release Summary is a verbatim copy of that beat, there is no harm in that. In fact, this offers a severalfold increase in effectiveness and efficiency, since (1) the OverView beat is the first chunk of meaningful release-related content people see in the Release Notes proper; (2) the OverView beat goes through a translation process, meaning the ambassadors and other content consumers can use a localized version for publicizing new Fedora features; and (3) this prevents duplicative effort in content collation, editing, and publication. * For F9, it is highly unlikely that I will participate in the release notes process to the extent I did the past two or three releases. We have a number of contributors stepping up to help, and it is high time that I made sure not to silo this work. I have already been working with Jason Taylor to get him up to speed on the process, and hopefully we can all encourage others to help as well. The Release Notes, as an entity, is one of the crowning jewels of the Docs Project, especially since Karsten overhauled our process to really make these a great example of community content creation. We should make sure that their direction is "onward and upward," and that we make it as easy as possible for people to contribute to them, adapt them as needed, and continue to make them the source for release-related information. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "Hastings, Warren" Subject: hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation Instructions Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:19:51 -0700 Size: 6232 URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Nov 15 02:15:57 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:15:57 +0900 Subject: [Fwd: hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation Instructions] In-Reply-To: <473BA9A0.6050106@fedoraproject.org> References: <473BA9A0.6050106@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195092957.17058.6.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 07:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > email message attachment (hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation > Instructions.eml) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Hastings, Warren > > To: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > > Subject: hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation Instructions > > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:19:51 -0700 > > > > Sir, > > > > I am venturing into Fedora-land with the intention of leaving > > Windows-land for good. I've downloaded a DVD image for Fedora 8 and > > will soon be ready to install (backing-up, etc.). > > > > I'm reading the installation instructions from my Windows machine > > here at work, and wonder if there's an easy way to print a hard-copy > > of the instructions. > > > > The reason I started with you is that I felt this information is > > something other newbies might want to know; the FAQs seem like a > > logical place to look. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Warren Hastings > -- I've had the same request a few times. People want to print them out or at least have a 1 link one. Such as the gentoo way 1 page per section or everything on one page. Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 02:45:26 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0500 Subject: system-config-firewall and wording In-Reply-To: <472B973E.5050305@fedoraproject.org> References: <472B973E.5050305@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195094726.15305.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 03:01 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I have seen a couple of reviews about Fedora 8's system-config-firewall > having incorrect grammar, punctuation or ambiguous wording. I would > appreciate if someone could review it and file bug reports with better > wording. Thanks. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=383741 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=259271 -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 03:04:46 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation Instructions] In-Reply-To: <1195092957.17058.6.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <473BA9A0.6050106@fedoraproject.org> <1195092957.17058.6.camel@study.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1195095886.15305.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 11:15 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 07:36 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > From: Hastings, Warren > > > To: sundaram at fedoraproject.org > > > Subject: hard-copy of Fedora 8 Installation Instructions > > > Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:19:51 -0700 > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > I am venturing into Fedora-land with the intention of leaving > > > Windows-land for good. I've downloaded a DVD image for Fedora 8 and > > > will soon be ready to install (backing-up, etc.). > > > > > > I'm reading the installation instructions from my Windows machine > > > here at work, and wonder if there's an easy way to print a hard-copy > > > of the instructions. > > > > > > The reason I started with you is that I felt this information is > > > something other newbies might want to know; the FAQs seem like a > > > logical place to look. > > > > > > Thanks for your time, > > > Warren Hastings > > -- > > I've had the same request a few times. People want to print them > out or at least have a 1 link one. > > Such as the gentoo way 1 page per section or everything on one page. Providing a tarball of the "nochunks" document is something easy to provide, which I can do forthwith. That's not a great solution to the problem, though, especially not compared with a PDF-based solution. We have wanted to turn out PDF copies of our documents for some time. FOP after a couple of years is _still_ not ready for use, and there may be some licensing considerations with it as well. We've already looked into how KDE produces their docs, and it is a wonky toolchain that has too many glaring problems[1] to consider as a solution. Apparently libcairo has some sort of programmatic PDF rendering ability. The python-reportlab module may be of additional or alternate use. However, there is no one on this project with the requisite combination of time and programming skills to "miracle" this into working. IIRC we tried to have a GSoC'er for this very project this past summer and it wasn't approved. Elbow grease would go a lot further than forwarding emails. = = = [1] http://people.fruitsalad.org/phil/kde/pdf-stuff/pdf-instructions.html -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Nov 15 03:37:25 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:07:25 +0530 Subject: Release notes for F9 In-Reply-To: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <473BBEF5.5090303@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > * For F9 the Release Summary should be drawn directly from the OverView > beat to the greatest extent possible. The OverView beat should feature > content that is the most meaningful to end users, developers, and > community members using the Fedora platform. If this means the Release > Summary is a verbatim copy of that beat, there is no harm in that. This is frequently difficult because a number of things are yet undecided or not made clear when the release notes freeze happens. The underlying problem is that the development process of Fedora should be more organized and trying to find improvements in that is usually difficult. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 15 04:02:13 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:02:13 -0500 Subject: Release notes for F9 In-Reply-To: <473BBEF5.5090303@fedoraproject.org> References: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <473BBEF5.5090303@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1195099333.15305.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 09:07 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > * For F9 the Release Summary should be drawn directly from the OverView > > beat to the greatest extent possible. The OverView beat should feature > > content that is the most meaningful to end users, developers, and > > community members using the Fedora platform. If this means the Release > > Summary is a verbatim copy of that beat, there is no harm in that. > > This is frequently difficult because a number of things are yet > undecided or not made clear when the release notes freeze happens. The > underlying problem is that the development process of Fedora should be > more organized and trying to find improvements in that is usually > difficult. Let's explore some ways to improve that situation then. Part of the support for this probably falls into John Poelstra's lap. To me, this means whip-cracking for folks to nail down features in time for us to document them properly, so those documents can be translated in time, so a package can be rolled... etc., etc. It's clear that you've been saddled with the brunt of creating these documents for the past several releases, and as we've both noted before, neither of us scales well. We need to spend more time *ahead* of the Alpha release lining up people to help with these tasks. This would alleviate the need for both of us to scurry at the end of each release, creating more work across the board. Although we want as up-to-date Release Notes as possible, there is some value in visibility, i.e. shouting at developers to get their forecasts in at a reasonable timeframe. And we should stop rewarding the continual tendency around various parts of the project to flood last-minute changes after the RC stage. We need to get that demon under control to achieve a truly stellar release. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Nov 15 04:18:08 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:18:08 -0800 Subject: Release notes for F9 In-Reply-To: <1195099333.15305.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <473BBEF5.5090303@fedoraproject.org> <1195099333.15305.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <473BC880.8090203@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 09:07 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >>> * For F9 the Release Summary should be drawn directly from the OverView >>> beat to the greatest extent possible. The OverView beat should feature >>> content that is the most meaningful to end users, developers, and >>> community members using the Fedora platform. If this means the Release >>> Summary is a verbatim copy of that beat, there is no harm in that. >> This is frequently difficult because a number of things are yet >> undecided or not made clear when the release notes freeze happens. The >> underlying problem is that the development process of Fedora should be >> more organized and trying to find improvements in that is usually >> difficult. > > Let's explore some ways to improve that situation then. Part of the > support for this probably falls into John Poelstra's lap. To me, this > means whip-cracking for folks to nail down features in time for us to > document them properly, so those documents can be translated in time, so > a package can be rolled... etc., etc. Yes! Let's work together on this and build the docs schedule into the master schedule with hard dependencies on some of the other tasks. By laying down some of the different task durations and dependencies we can better educate everyone else why it matters that we hold to certain dates. Please ping me on IRC tomorrow. Also, please come to the FESCo meeting tomorrow (1 PM EST) on #fedora-meeting where we are going to talk about what needs fixing in the feature process--particularly if you need better quality content about the features. John From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 15 09:56:42 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:56:42 -0800 Subject: Release notes for F9 In-Reply-To: <473BC880.8090203@redhat.com> References: <1195079184.15305.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> <473BBEF5.5090303@fedoraproject.org> <1195099333.15305.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> <473BC880.8090203@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1195120602.6487.207.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 20:18 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Also, please come to the FESCo meeting tomorrow (1 PM EST) If you remember to, ping us on #fedora-docs as the meeting starts. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be logging #fedora-meeting, though, so I can catch up afterward when I get free. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 01:56 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-14 at 20:18 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > > > Also, please come to the FESCo meeting tomorrow (1 PM EST) > > > > If you remember to, ping us on #fedora-docs as the meeting starts. > > Unfortunately, I can't promise to attend because my $DAYJOB doesn't cut > me time for Fedora stuff. I'll be logging #fedora-meeting, though, so I > can catch up afterward when I get free. I miscalculated the time difference (wasn't available at that time anyway), but I caught up via irc logs. Nothing raised any alarms, but I wasn't there at the right time to ask about improved content and all-one-overview source. I think the best place to handle that is not at the scheduling and feature level. It seems more a function of Marketing, Docs, and maybe Websites to figure out. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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I am looking at the DNS and BIND server section, however I'm not sure when this will be completed. I am a bit busy at work. I have all the material from a presentation I did, it's just a matter of copying it all in there, but feel free to do what you like with it :D Kind Regards, Murray. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 16 03:49:29 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:49:29 -0800 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 19:08 -0500, Mike Dittmeier wrote: > It's good to be back! have been out of touch on work assignments, but > I'm ready to get back to it. I finished the upgrade to F8 today, and I'm > ready to dive into the FDUG/FUG. I'll take a look at the wiki tonight, > and more than likely just start at the top and work my way down. Are > there any sections already in progress that I should avoid? So I got this today in IRC: 15:41 < mdious> quaid, when did you want the admin guide to be finished? Good question! How much work do you all think it needs before it's ready for a full Wiki-based edit? We'll then want to give about a week for XML conversion. Could we target 25 Nov. for the ready-for-edit? Then we could have the initial English version out on 03 Dec., maybe to coincide with a fedora-release-notes update. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 16 04:08:16 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:08:16 -0800 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide (was Re: too long of a field trip) In-Reply-To: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195186096.5916.23.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 19:08 -0500, Mike Dittmeier wrote: > It's good to be back! have been out of touch on work assignments, but > I'm ready to get back to it. I finished the upgrade to F8 today, and I'm > ready to dive into the FDUG/FUG. I'll take a look at the wiki tonight, > and more than likely just start at the top and work my way down. Are > there any sections already in progress that I should avoid? As it happens, I got this today in IRC: 15:41 < mdious> quaid, when did you want the admin guide to be finished? What do you all think? When is it ready for a full editor once-over? After that, it gets converted to XML, which could take about a week. The more hands, the faster. :) Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? That means we need the wiki copy ready for editorial review by Friday 23 Nov. This would give us an 03 Dec. publication date, possibly to coincide with an updated release notes. Too aggressive? If we wait much later, we'll run into some holiday timing that may or may not help our cause. :D - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 05:26:56 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:26:56 +1000 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> > So I got this today in IRC: > > 15:41 < mdious> quaid, when did you want the admin guide to be finished? > > Good question! > > How much work do you all think it needs before it's ready for a full > Wiki-based edit? > > We'll then want to give about a week for XML conversion. > > Could we target 25 Nov. for the ready-for-edit? > > Then we could have the initial English version out on 03 Dec., maybe to > coincide with a fedora-release-notes update. > > - Karsten Hey, I think the 25th is a good target. I am dragging the ball on the dns section, but I have all the information, so once I get enough time I can pretty much copy and paste, and someone provided a great link from red hat magazine. Karsten: in one of your replies it looked like only 2-3 days for a review, will that be enough time? Thanks, Murray. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 06:02:58 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:02:58 +1300 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide (was Re: too long of a field trip) In-Reply-To: <1195186096.5916.23.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195186096.5916.23.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <473D3292.6050304@mkc.co.nz> I'd say 25/11 (or 11/25) is achievable, considering progress made lately. There are s few not-yet-started sections though - we might need more hands. I'll commit myself to complete samba and scheduling tasks by the end of this weekend and then see what's left that I can (from the knowledge perspective) do. Vladimir Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 19:08 -0500, Mike Dittmeier wrote: >> It's good to be back! have been out of touch on work assignments, but >> I'm ready to get back to it. I finished the upgrade to F8 today, and I'm >> ready to dive into the FDUG/FUG. I'll take a look at the wiki tonight, >> and more than likely just start at the top and work my way down. Are >> there any sections already in progress that I should avoid? > > As it happens, I got this today in IRC: > > 15:41 < mdious> quaid, when did you want the admin guide to be finished? > > What do you all think? When is it ready for a full editor once-over? > > After that, it gets converted to XML, which could take about a week. > The more hands, the faster. :) > > Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? > > That means we need the wiki copy ready for editorial review by Friday 23 > Nov. > > This would give us an 03 Dec. publication date, possibly to coincide > with an updated release notes. > > Too aggressive? > > If we wait much later, we'll run into some holiday timing that may or > may not help our cause. :D > > - Karsten > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are there any sections already in progress > that I should avoid? > Short answer: No. Long answer: There's been great progress on the Admin Guide, none of it coming from me. :-) As lead writer of the FDUG (FUG seems to have too many bad connotations), the FDUG can really use some great contributions. It may not be as interesting to write as the AG, but the FDUG is, in some ways, more crucial to getting new users up-to-speed on the Fedora Desktop. The KDE-SIG team agrees with me. They see a need for an FDUG that covers KDE apps on equal footing with GNOME apps. Xfce should also be covered, especially with an XFCE spin in the works. To sum up: 1. The GNOME section (the current doc) needs some minor fixes, i.e., Pidgin => Gaim 2. The KDE section needs to be added and integrated into the FDUG. 3. Xfce section is something needed in the near future. Mark, so keep an eye on the FDUG and pitch in as much as you can. John Babich Lead writer, FDUG From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Nov 16 06:43:22 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:43:22 +0300 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 16, 2007 8:26 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hey, > > I think the 25th is a good target. I am dragging the ball on the dns > section, but I have all the information, so once I get enough time I > can pretty much copy and paste, and someone provided a great link from > red hat magazine. After the 25th, once you get the Admin Guide converted and published, would you be interested in helping me in updating the FDUG? I'm committed to getting it done, despite my $DAYJOB heating up. Any help would be appreciated. John Babich Lead writer, FDUG From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 06:49:53 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:49:53 +1300 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <473D3D91.3030206@mkc.co.nz> John Babich wrote: > On Nov 16, 2007 8:26 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: >> Hey, >> >> I think the 25th is a good target. I am dragging the ball on the dns >> section, but I have all the information, so once I get enough time I >> can pretty much copy and paste, and someone provided a great link from >> red hat magazine. > > After the 25th, once you get the Admin Guide converted and published, would you > be interested in helping me in updating the FDUG? > John, is KDE DUG planned as part of the whole, or separate guide? Vladimir > I'm committed to getting it done, despite my $DAYJOB heating up. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > John Babich > Lead writer, FDUG > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That is the command I am running. cvs commit selinux-faq then cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 [marc at Strike-Lap docs]$ cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 cvs commit: Examining selinux-faq-fc8 Cheers, Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 07:24:59 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:24:59 +1300 Subject: cvs access In-Reply-To: <50523.202.72.163.232.1195196421.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <50523.202.72.163.232.1195196421.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <473D45CB.3030109@mkc.co.nz> Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey all, > > I have cvs access I received confirmation. I'm trying to commit to cvs > except I'm getting the following error cvs [server aborted]: "commit" > requires write access to the repository > > Where am I going wrong does anyone know? > That is the command I am running. > > cvs commit selinux-faq > > then > cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 > > [marc at Strike-Lap docs]$ cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 > cvs commit: Examining selinux-faq-fc8 > > Cheers, > > > Marc > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Nov 16 07:28:59 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:28:59 +0900 (WST) Subject: cvs access Message-ID: <36244.202.72.163.232.1195198139.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> > Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? > > Doh it was on my other computer and I forgot to transfer it. Thanks > > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I have cvs access I received confirmation. I'm trying to commit to cvs >> except I'm getting the following error cvs [server aborted]: "commit" >> requires write access to the repository >> >> Where am I going wrong does anyone know? >> That is the command I am running. >> >> cvs commit selinux-faq >> >> then >> cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 >> >> [marc at Strike-Lap docs]$ cvs commit selinux-faq-fc8 >> cvs commit: Examining selinux-faq-fc8 >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Marc >> > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Nov 16 07:37:51 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:37:51 +0900 (WST) Subject: cvs access Message-ID: <36232.202.72.163.232.1195198671.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> >> Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? >> >> > Doh it was on my other computer and I forgot to transfer it. Actually still got the error. [marc at Strike-Lap fedora-docs]$ cvs co selinux-faq Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) Cheers, Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 07:47:34 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:47:34 +1300 Subject: cvs access In-Reply-To: <36232.202.72.163.232.1195198671.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> References: <36232.202.72.163.232.1195198671.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <473D4B16.7090908@mkc.co.nz> this one is ssh transfer ~/.ssh directory from that other PC, should be OK then V Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >>> Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? >>> >>> >> Doh it was on my other computer and I forgot to transfer it. > > Actually still got the error. > > [marc at Strike-Lap fedora-docs]$ cvs co selinux-faq > Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). > cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if > any) > > Cheers, > > Marc > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Babich Lead writer, Fedora Docs Project From mike at vegasitpros.com Fri Nov 16 18:28:53 2007 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:28:53 -0500 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195237733.3216.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:43 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 16, 2007 8:26 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I think the 25th is a good target. I am dragging the ball on the dns > > section, but I have all the information, so once I get enough time I > > can pretty much copy and paste, and someone provided a great link from > > red hat magazine. > > After the 25th, once you get the Admin Guide converted and published, would you > be interested in helping me in updating the FDUG? > > I'm committed to getting it done, despite my $DAYJOB heating up. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > John Babich > Lead writer, FDUG > Sure thing! I will help work the open docs in AG, then come see you -- Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE mike at vegasitpros.com pub 1024D/3F08ECFB 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] Key fingerprint = 8396 9850 E308 4EFF 1A22 6C5A 4FF5 DF6C 3F08 ECFB uid Mike Dittmeier sub 2048g/1E6E4DBD 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at vegasitpros.com Fri Nov 16 18:28:53 2007 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:28:53 -0500 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195237733.3216.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 09:43 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 16, 2007 8:26 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I think the 25th is a good target. I am dragging the ball on the dns > > section, but I have all the information, so once I get enough time I > > can pretty much copy and paste, and someone provided a great link from > > red hat magazine. > > After the 25th, once you get the Admin Guide converted and published, would you > be interested in helping me in updating the FDUG? > > I'm committed to getting it done, despite my $DAYJOB heating up. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > John Babich > Lead writer, FDUG > Sure thing! I will help work the open docs in AG, then come see you -- Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE mike at vegasitpros.com pub 1024D/3F08ECFB 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] Key fingerprint = 8396 9850 E308 4EFF 1A22 6C5A 4FF5 DF6C 3F08 ECFB uid Mike Dittmeier sub 2048g/1E6E4DBD 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at vegasitpros.com Fri Nov 16 19:28:02 2007 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:28:02 -0500 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711160228o2ae70ccdgd74593d9e9f9b29a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> <473D3D91.3030206@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711160228o2ae70ccdgd74593d9e9f9b29a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195241282.3216.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 13:28 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 16, 2007 9:49 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > John, is KDE DUG planned as part of the whole, or separate guide? > > > Vladimir: > > The KDE DUG can be written separately if you like. I will be > responsible for tying the sections together. > > John Babich > Lead writer, Fedora Docs Project > John, do you have anyone on NFS or FTP yet? -- Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE mike at vegasitpros.com pub 1024D/3F08ECFB 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] Key fingerprint = 8396 9850 E308 4EFF 1A22 6C5A 4FF5 DF6C 3F08 ECFB uid Mike Dittmeier sub 2048g/1E6E4DBD 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 19:34:22 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:34:22 +1300 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <1195241282.3216.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> <473D3D91.3030206@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711160228o2ae70ccdgd74593d9e9f9b29a@mail.gmail.com> <1195241282.3216.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <473DF0BE.5050107@mkc.co.nz> Mike Dittmeier wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 13:28 +0300, John Babich wrote: >> On Nov 16, 2007 9:49 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: >> >> >> >>> John, is KDE DUG planned as part of the whole, or separate guide? >>> >> Vladimir: >> >> The KDE DUG can be written separately if you like. I will be >> responsible for tying the sections together. >> >> John Babich >> Lead writer, Fedora Docs Project >> > > John, do you have anyone on NFS or FTP yet? > Mike, as far as I know, nobody put up a hand for these two yet. At the moment, DNS, Mail, Samba, cron are being worked on (Murray McAllister and me) Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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NFS, FTP On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 08:34 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > Mike Dittmeier wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 13:28 +0300, John Babich wrote: > >> On Nov 16, 2007 9:49 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> John, is KDE DUG planned as part of the whole, or separate guide? > >>> > >> Vladimir: > >> > >> The KDE DUG can be written separately if you like. I will be > >> responsible for tying the sections together. > >> > >> John Babich > >> Lead writer, Fedora Docs Project > >> > > > > John, do you have anyone on NFS or FTP yet? > > > Mike, as far as I know, nobody put up a hand for these two yet. At the > moment, DNS, Mail, Samba, cron are being worked on (Murray McAllister > and me) > > Vladimir > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE mike at vegasitpros.com pub 1024D/3F08ECFB 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] Key fingerprint = 8396 9850 E308 4EFF 1A22 6C5A 4FF5 DF6C 3F08 ECFB uid Mike Dittmeier sub 2048g/1E6E4DBD 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Nov 16 20:05:14 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:05:14 +1300 Subject: cvs access In-Reply-To: <1195241969.5916.55.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <50523.202.72.163.232.1195196421.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <473D45CB.3030109@mkc.co.nz> <1195241969.5916.55.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <473DF7FA.9040002@mkc.co.nz> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 20:24 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: >> Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? > > BTW, we don't seem to be using/requiring the fedora_cert for /cvs/docs. > This seems to be a packager requirement for other parts of CVS. > That may be but the new contributors might get the impression that it is needed since the "join docs project" page links to Fedora accounts pages, where cert is listed as a requirement for CVS access (no mention of skipping this part if joining docs team). So, to clarify - cvs pass file: /1 :pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:2401/cvs/docs A /1 :pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedoraproject.org:2401/cvs/docs A allows commits to /cvs/docs? Vladimir > - Karsten > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[marc at Strike-Lap en_US]$ cat ~/.ssh/config Host cvs.fedoraproject.org IdentityFile ~/.ssh/marc_ssh Host cvs.fedora.redhat.com IdentityFile ~/.ssh/marc_ssh The cvs should be fedoraproject I was advised as well since everything is moving to that hostname. Cheers, Marc From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Nov 16 23:34:00 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:00 -0800 Subject: fedora 8 known issues Message-ID: <473E28E8.3060305@redhat.com> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ Shouldn't the bottom part of page refer to "known bugs in Fedora 8" and not 7 ? John From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 16 23:34:15 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:34:15 -0800 Subject: cvs access In-Reply-To: <473DF7FA.9040002@mkc.co.nz> References: <50523.202.72.163.232.1195196421.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <473D45CB.3030109@mkc.co.nz> <1195241969.5916.55.camel@erato.phig.org> <473DF7FA.9040002@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1195256055.5916.84.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 09:05 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 20:24 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > >> Marc, do you have ~/.fedora_cert in place? > > > > BTW, we don't seem to be using/requiring the fedora_cert for /cvs/docs. > > This seems to be a packager requirement for other parts of CVS. > > > That may be but the new contributors might get the impression that it is > needed since the "join docs project" page links to Fedora accounts > pages, where cert is listed as a requirement for CVS access (no mention > of skipping this part if joining docs team). Ah, OK, this is a requirement from another part of the project that we inherited. It can't hurt, I reckon. :) > So, to clarify - cvs pass file: > > /1 :pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedora.redhat.com:2401/cvs/docs A > /1 :pserver:anonymous at cvs.fedoraproject.org:2401/cvs/docs A > > allows commits to /cvs/docs? Not sure what you are asking here, but I don't think you can write to /cvs/docs via pserver or using an anonymous account. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:24:36 -0500 Subject: fedora 8 known issues In-Reply-To: <473E28E8.3060305@redhat.com> References: <473E28E8.3060305@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1195259076.19379.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 15:34 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ > > Shouldn't the bottom part of page refer to "known bugs in Fedora 8" and not 7 ? It sure should. Fixed, thanks for catching that! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Nov 17 07:35:00 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:35:00 +0900 (WST) Subject: desktop user guide Message-ID: <43709.202.72.163.232.1195284900.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> Just wondering has anyone started this? The reason I ask is because I just checked it out and all the information is for Fedora Core 6. I read something about it but has it been committed to CVS? Cheers, Marc From couf at skynet.be Sat Nov 17 10:26:34 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:26:34 +0100 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress Message-ID: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> Hi all, sorry for the lack of communication from my side, have been extremely busy the last week or two. And then my mailserver broke done, fun all over the place. So consider this as an answer to all mails (here and there I'll quote in) Anyway, I'd like to thank everyone working on the AG right now: you have all done a terrific job thus far and I must say I'm impressed with what we've got ATM. Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > One question: some of the newer (like DNS) AdminGuide sections use the > old layout, with TOCs but some others don't (like MailServer). My > understanding is that we should avoid TOCs and multiple pages to ease > wiki-->DocBook conversion. Is that correct? Well I'd say we should indeed avoid stuff like using wiki-macro's, as they tend to not get converted at all. I'd split out into multiple pages when need be. As in: keep stuff as it is split right now, makes it easy when we convert to DocBook to say this is a section, that's a chapter, .... Karsten Wade wrote: > Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? Yeah that seems to be a reasonable target. I'd like to get this done early and we might want to create a docs hackfest around it: learning how-to convert, splitting up the work: collaboration at it's best :-). We could perhaps ask for the asterisk server to be setup for something like this, but that might not help productivity, otoh: I'd like to hear some peoples voice (don't ask me why). To support this effort, I'm going to start proofreading the whole AG from beginning and checking style and consistency etc. Just keep whipping in stuff and I'll get to it later. If you think a section is done, maybe we could add a tag at the top, like: || '''Section is ready for editing, have at it''' || Anyway, keep up the good work and thanks again everyone involved :-) Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The goal is to get the KDE apps the guide for Fedora 8, as well as update any GNOME apps as needed. An added bonus would be to have Xfce included, but that isn't really needed until there is an official Xfce spin made available. Best Regards, John Babich Lead writer, Fedora Desktop User Guide From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 13:05:17 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:05:17 +1100 Subject: push to publish Admin Guide In-Reply-To: <473DF0BE.5050107@mkc.co.nz> References: <1195171688.3090.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195184969.3027.22.camel@erato.phig.org> <95f1114b0711152126s1133d30fp5a769640e9a0a7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711152243p4ad4700w6513309a3ccb28b8@mail.gmail.com> <473D3D91.3030206@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711160228o2ae70ccdgd74593d9e9f9b29a@mail.gmail.com> <1195241282.3216.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <473DF0BE.5050107@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711170505q6d0391cbyb55d756862227b2e@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 17, 2007 6:34 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > Mike Dittmeier wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 13:28 +0300, John Babich wrote: > >> On Nov 16, 2007 9:49 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> John, is KDE DUG planned as part of the whole, or separate guide? > >>> > >> Vladimir: > >> > >> The KDE DUG can be written separately if you like. I will be > >> responsible for tying the sections together. > >> > >> John Babich > >> Lead writer, Fedora Docs Project > >> > > > > John, do you have anyone on NFS or FTP yet? > > > Mike, as far as I know, nobody put up a hand for these two yet. At the > moment, DNS, Mail, Samba, cron are being worked on (Murray McAllister > and me) > > Vladimir > I have all the info for DNS, just need to put it in. However, I have only ever compiled BIND from source and run that, I have never tried the packages on red hat/fedora, hopefully that link that was posted will be helpful, since I don't think I have time to set it up myself. Will try to get it done this week. Kind Regards, Murray. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 17 14:17:01 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:17:01 -0500 Subject: desktop user guide In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711170241m76a8cf0bua04094f665ab7e86@mail.gmail.com> References: <43709.202.72.163.232.1195284900.squirrel@www.mwiriadi.id.au> <9d2c731f0711170241m76a8cf0bua04094f665ab7e86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195309021.18769.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 13:41 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 17, 2007 10:35 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > Just wondering has anyone started this? The reason I ask is because I > > just checked it out and all the information is for Fedora Core 6. > > > Fedora Core 6 version was edited on the wiki and then converted to DocBook XML. > Fedora 7 User Guide never got converted, because the wiki material needed to be > reorganized to include KDE apps info, which was never contributed. > > The goal is to get the KDE apps the guide for Fedora 8, as well as update any > GNOME apps as needed. An added bonus would be to have Xfce included, but that > isn't really needed until there is an official Xfce spin made available. I created a F-8 branch for the DUG in CVS this morning, which is now ready for work "whenever." :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > I created a F-8 branch for the DUG in CVS this morning, which is now > ready for work "whenever." :-) > Thanks, Mr. DocBook :-) Best Regards, John Babich Lead Writer, Fedora Desktop user Guide From samavedam.vijay at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 04:35:13 2007 From: samavedam.vijay at gmail.com (samavedam vijay) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:05:13 +0530 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <26c6e1310711172035o7b586e64g8b5befd0d8848409@mail.gmail.com> hai i am an engineering student and intrested to give my bit of help to the fedora project but the problem is i dont have a net connenction in my home to generate a gpg key t join how should i solve this problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > > I created a F-8 branch for the DUG in CVS this morning, which is now > > ready for work "whenever." :-) > > > Thanks, Mr. DocBook :-) > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Lead Writer, Fedora Desktop user Guide > With the information from software management guide up on the wiki are we able to transfer that to docbook then add it to the DUG? The other thoughts I did have was printing and scanning. Printing I've filled into I'm not to sure how far we want to go whether we want to provide a list of what printers are available but I think that would confuse the situation. By the looks of it the branch is based off the cvs and not the website which had info on F7. Can we amalgamate whats on the web with whats in docbook at the moment to combine them so we aren't redoing what has already been completed? Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Nov 18 11:07:28 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 22:07:28 +1100 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <26c6e1310711172035o7b586e64g8b5befd0d8848409@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> <26c6e1310711172035o7b586e64g8b5befd0d8848409@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711180307q68d3d1e5p910ba5c222230ee8@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 18, 2007 3:35 PM, samavedam vijay wrote: > hai i am an engineering student and intrested to give my bit of help to the > fedora project but the problem is i dont have a net connenction in my home > to generate a gpg key t join how should i solve this problem > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > Hi, You don't need an internet connection to generate a GPG key, or are you saying you don't have a network connection to download gnupg? I am sure someone could mail you the package if that is what you are after. Cheers, Murray. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Sun Nov 18 18:28:42 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:28:42 -0800 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership Message-ID: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> Right after reminding us that steering committee (FDSCo) elections are due right away[1], Paul asked on IRC this morning if we should consider reverting to a SIG status: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DefiningProjects#SIGs I have concerns about that reverting concept based on the way a SIG and a project are described there, but I think I have a grasp on what Paul is saying. A SIG has fewer requirements for leadership to do stuff such as: * Hold and attend regular meetings * Hold elections * Report across to other projects in a predictable manner We don't seem to be doing any of those three very well. I'd be tempted to follow the Fedora guideline of "when you cease being effective as a leader, quit and get out of the way." Another option is for more of us (including me!) to be stronger leaders and embrace the role of making the project details work, to support all of you in the great work you are doing. Regardless, these are matters that shouldn't directly affect our ability to produce content. But they do affect how we move into the future. So far, being a project seems to have helped our growth and focus. What next? A. Revitalize the Docs Project leadership, hold elections, and keep things moving ... or ... B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just getting stuff done I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, I'll work harder at making it happen. thx - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd be tempted > to follow the Fedora guideline of "when you cease being effective as a > leader, quit and get out of the way." Another option is for more of us > (including me!) to be stronger leaders and embrace the role of making > the project details work, to support all of you in the great work you > are doing. > > Regardless, these are matters that shouldn't directly affect our ability > to produce content. But they do affect how we move into the future. So > far, being a project seems to have helped our growth and focus. > > What next? > > A. Revitalize the Docs Project leadership, hold elections, and keep > things moving > > ... or ... > > B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just > getting stuff done > > I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, > I'll work harder at making it happen. > > thx - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections > -- >From my point of view I'm not to sure of the history and my comment is probably invalid. Is there a reason why meetings are attended? Times, days of the week? I know I can't attend meetings because of the time. Are there sufficient people in the docs.project to actually be a project? If not switch to a SIG and request that the marketing group start marketing for more volunteers. Can we have a calender to plan stuff similar to how packaging has a target of what needs to be done. The only difference for us is that we are dependent on other people in some parts of the docs areas. Plus a lot of the stuff that is created is a revolving calender. My $0.02 Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Mon Nov 19 03:25:20 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:25:20 +1300 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> Karsten Wade wrote: > > What next? > > A. Revitalize the Docs Project leadership, hold elections, and keep > things moving > I'm with Karsten on this one. Documentation Project grew over time to a pretty complex entity with a lot of moving parts. It's not getting simpler, either. To have any chance of being successful, it needs to be managed like a project. I think I also understand where is Paul Frields coming from but I don't agree that it's time to give up. Instead, let's do what procedurally needs to be done - announce and hold elections and see how can we move on. Few ideas that come to mind, in a not so coherent shape: Before the results are in (very important!) get together all contributors who are, depending on the state of the individual activity over the past year, happy to extend/renew their commitment to writing content. I shall be the first one to pledge this commitment (renew option). The other important thing that we seem lacking is a way of measuring accountability. I realise we are all volunteers with a variety of other, more pressing commitments in our lives and that it is extremely difficult to enforce this. But I am also pretty sure that every single one of us had at least a vague idea of what are we getting ourselves into. It's only fair to establish this in some way. Project leaders cannot be the only individuals with accountability attached to their roles. Then, to make project leader's life bearable, do what FDSCo page says: "As roles are defined in the process documentation, the chair will delegate various roles to the members of the FDSCo to manage." Share the burden, guys, then do the similar down the hierarchy ladder in your assigned areas. Try to set the milestones for every written bit, not only stuff that's closely tied to $release. Do this with DUG, SAG, everything. It shouldn't be too hard to get some momentum going, though - stuff is in a good shape, just needs a little bit more effort from all of us. Vladimir > ... or ... > > B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just > getting stuff done > > I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, > I'll work harder at making it happen. > > thx - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Instead, let's do what procedurally > needs to be done - announce and hold elections and see how can we move on. > > Few ideas that come to mind, in a not so coherent shape: > > Before the results are in (very important!) get together all > contributors who are, depending on the state of the individual activity > over the past year, happy to extend/renew their commitment to writing > content. I shall be the first one to pledge this commitment (renew option). > > The other important thing that we seem lacking is a way of measuring > accountability. I realise we are all volunteers with a variety of other, > more pressing commitments in our lives and that it is extremely > difficult to enforce this. But I am also pretty sure that every single > one of us had at least a vague idea of what are we getting ourselves into, when signing-up with the docs project. **Thats how it was supposed to read ** > > It's only fair to establish this in some way. Project leaders cannot be > the only individuals with accountability attached to their roles. > > Then, to make project leader's life bearable, do what FDSCo page says: > > "As roles are defined in the process documentation, the chair will > delegate various roles to the members of the FDSCo to manage." > > Share the burden, guys, then do the similar down the hierarchy ladder in > your assigned areas. > > Try to set the milestones for every written bit, not only stuff that's > closely tied to $release. Do this with DUG, SAG, everything. > > It shouldn't be too hard to get some momentum going, though - stuff is > in a good shape, just needs a little bit more effort from all of us. > > Vladimir > >> ... or ... >> >> B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just >> getting stuff done >> >> I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, >> I'll work harder at making it happen. >> >> thx - Karsten >> >> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 09:02:35 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:02:35 +0300 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 19, 2007 6:29 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > Karsten Wade wrote: > >> What next? > >> > >> A. Revitalize the Docs Project leadership, hold elections, and keep > >> things moving > >> > > I'm with Karsten on this one. I vote for continuing as a project, building on the hard work already done by people like Paul and Karsten. > > > > Documentation Project grew over time to a pretty complex entity with a > > lot of moving parts. It's not getting simpler, either. To have any > > chance of being successful, it needs to be managed like a project. > > Let's apply sound project management principles, then. I know it's difficult to persuade a volunteer group to agree to a certain set of processes and procedures. However, this is already what it takes to be a Fedora committer or maintainer. Creating and maintaining documents should be no different. > > I think I also understand where is Paul Frields coming from but I don't > > agree that it's time to give up. Instead, let's do what procedurally > > needs to be done - announce and hold elections and see how can we move on. > > I appreciate that Paul and Karsten, to name but two, are extremely busy and perhaps over-committed. We may just have to "limp along" until the future leadership naturally emerges. I, too, get discouraged At the same time, I see some encouraging signs, both in the popularity of Fedora 8 and the new wave of volunteers. > > Few ideas that come to mind, in a not so coherent shape: > > > > Before the results are in (very important!) get together all > > contributors who are, depending on the state of the individual activity > > over the past year, happy to extend/renew their commitment to writing > > content. I shall be the first one to pledge this commitment (renew option). > > Despite some recent business and personal commitments forcing me to cut back somewhat, count me in. > > The other important thing that we seem lacking is a way of measuring > > accountability. I realise we are all volunteers with a variety of other, > > more pressing commitments in our lives and that it is extremely > > difficult to enforce this. But I am also pretty sure that every single > > one of us had at least a vague idea of what are we getting ourselves into, > when signing-up with the docs project. > > **Thats how it was supposed to read ** > Thanks for the clarification, Vladimir. Signing up for the Fedora Docs Project is not a straight-forward process. Surely, someone signs up with his or her "eyes wide open". Once a person volunteers, I think it is reasonable to ask them for a specific commitment of time or talent. If someone fails to deliver, it should be noted and that person should be asked respectfully if there is a blocking issue or another priority preventing the completion of the task. I include myself in this process of accountability. > > > > It's only fair to establish this in some way. Project leaders cannot be > > the only individuals with accountability attached to their roles. > > > > Then, to make project leader's life bearable, do what FDSCo page says: > > > > "As roles are defined in the process documentation, the chair will > > delegate various roles to the members of the FDSCo to manage." > > > > Share the burden, guys, then do the similar down the hierarchy ladder in > > your assigned areas. > > > > Try to set the milestones for every written bit, not only stuff that's > > closely tied to $release. Do this with DUG, SAG, everything. > > > > It shouldn't be too hard to get some momentum going, though - stuff is > > in a good shape, just needs a little bit more effort from all of us. > > Agreed. > > > >> ... or ... > >> > >> B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just > >> getting stuff done > >> > >> I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, > >> I'll work harder at making it happen. > >> > >> thx - Karsten The amount of work related to $release is pretty clear. In order of priority, it is 1. Release Notes 2a. Installation Guide 2b. Administration Guide 2c. Desktop User Guide These are edited on the wiki and eventually converted to DocBook XML and published as immutable web pages. There is also plenty of wiki docs that may not be suitable for DocBook conversion, due to their fast-changing content: These may include such special topics as: - Live CDs & Spins (fast-evolving) - Virtualization (likewise) - Upgrading in place (getting more standardized) - RPM guide (overlapping with rpm.org) - Yum (being incorporated into AG, IG & DUG) - Games - Translation, I18n and L10n pages In conclusion, I vote for remaining a project and applying project management procedures similar to that applied to package committers and maintainers.. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project (and proud of it!) From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 19 22:30:02 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:30:02 -0500 Subject: F9 relnotes schedule proposal Message-ID: <1195511402.3937.50.camel@localhost.localdomain> You'll find this at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule/9 John Poelstra and I worked together to make this agree with the overall release schedule and to hammer out some dings. We invite everyone to take a look, comment, and fix as required. We don't have any Guides on the roster yet, but certainly we should begin considering that schedule and add it as well. We are also interested in tracking start dates, as well as the usual end (or target) dates for these tasks. John can help identify blocking issues, and often (as was the case this time) going through the schedule with someone collaborating can help expose problems or issues. -- Paul W. 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I am and have been an Open Source advocate at home and work. - gpg --fingerprint 9E5F5EFE pub 1024D/9E5F5EFE 2007-11-21 Key fingerprint = 3FB1 1274 E95A D797 CCD0 1629 7376 258C 9E5F 5EFE uid johndwess (for projects) sub 2048g/B2B95A9A 2007-11-21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 05:37:22 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:37:22 +0300 Subject: DUG In-Reply-To: <1195613437.8285.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195613437.8285.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711202137r337fb348p7d7ee30c7da44c44@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 21, 2007 5:50 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I've added and edited some stuff in the Desktop User's Guide I will be > overseas for a bit over a week feel free to add to it, check it and, fix > it up since I've added my bits. > :) Marc: Thanks for stepping forward to update the DUG! I will review your updates and hope to start adding some of my own. Have a good trip and stay in touch. Best Regards, John Babich Lead writer, Fedora Desktop User Guide From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 06:18:55 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:18:55 +1000 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0711202218w3adb8fe5s6bca82fa7a8221e2@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 21, 2007 2:47 PM, John Wess wrote: > John Wess > > Orlando, Florida > Sales Engineer > Bright House Networks > Your goals in the Fedora Project > I just want to get started...editing and helping out where I can. > Historical qualifications > I haven't written anything other than some blogs and internal technical > documentation. > RedHat/Fedora and FreeBSD user for several years. > I am not a programmer but I have a good sense of how to communicate > technology effectively to an uninitiated audience. I am and have been an > Open Source advocate at home and work. Hi John, Welcome, hope you have fun with whatever you end up working on! Kind Regards, Murray. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From poelstra at redhat.com Wed Nov 21 06:24:01 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:24:01 -0800 Subject: fedora 8 known issues In-Reply-To: <1195259076.19379.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <473E28E8.3060305@redhat.com> <1195259076.19379.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4743CF01.7010603@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 15:34 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ >> >> Shouldn't the bottom part of page refer to "known bugs in Fedora 8" and not 7 ? > > It sure should. Fixed, thanks for catching that! > > You're welcome. Wondering if there is a release checklist of sorts for links to check and make sure everything is correct prior to launch? With a list or matrix to work from everyone could pitch in and be done quickly while getting lots of extra sets of eyes. Maybe something like the SOP Infrastructure has? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/Release John From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 18:11:35 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:11:35 -0500 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> This has been on my Desktop for over two days and I finally got around to sending it. Sorry... On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:02 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 19, 2007 6:29 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > >> What next? > > >> > > >> A. Revitalize the Docs Project leadership, hold elections, and keep > > >> things moving > > >> > > > I'm with Karsten on this one. > > I vote for continuing as a project, building on the hard work already done by > people like Paul and Karsten. > > > > > > > Documentation Project grew over time to a pretty complex entity with a > > > lot of moving parts. It's not getting simpler, either. To have any > > > chance of being successful, it needs to be managed like a project. > > > > > Let's apply sound project management principles, then. I know it's difficult to > persuade a volunteer group to agree to a certain set of processes and > procedures. However, this is already what it takes to be a Fedora committer > or maintainer. Creating and maintaining documents should be no different. I fear my blurting out something that came to mind has made me seem a little too much like an agent provocateur. But in essence, this is indeed what I meant: that with the few hands we have, perhaps we're best served by eliminating as much administration as possible, to the extent it frees up resources/time. > > > I think I also understand where is Paul Frields coming from but I don't > > > agree that it's time to give up. Instead, let's do what procedurally > > > needs to be done - announce and hold elections and see how can we move on. Give up?!? Never! :-) My only concern was in trying to remove any over-commitment barriers. In all honesty, it was all about trying to make Karsten's life as FDSCo chair easier. I hadn't run this idea past him at all, and simply put it out in IRC. I was worried that we had created such a stir of administrative duties and responsibilities that it put important work like editing and direction in a second-chair position. But the work of project management can't be seen as a distraction, it's necessary for success. With so few people available, it's difficult to do project management when the few are saddled with lots of the work. The more we can encourage other people to get involved and learning how to do good technical documentation, the better off we'll be in the long run. > I appreciate that Paul and Karsten, to name but two, are extremely busy and > perhaps over-committed. We may just have to "limp along" until the future > leadership naturally emerges. I, too, get discouraged At the same time, I see > some encouraging signs, both in the popularity of Fedora 8 and the new wave > of volunteers. I know Karsten agrees that having more hands on deck recently has been a real boon to the Docs Project lately. That is the best sign yet that we're producing valuable work. People don't often line up to work on something that they think is worthless, right? > > > Few ideas that come to mind, in a not so coherent shape: > > > > > > Before the results are in (very important!) get together all > > > contributors who are, depending on the state of the individual activity > > > over the past year, happy to extend/renew their commitment to writing > > > content. I shall be the first one to pledge this commitment (renew option). > > > > > Despite some recent business and personal commitments forcing me to > cut back somewhat, count me in. /me raises two hands. > > > The other important thing that we seem lacking is a way of measuring > > > accountability. I realise we are all volunteers with a variety of other, > > > more pressing commitments in our lives and that it is extremely > > > difficult to enforce this. But I am also pretty sure that every single > > > one of us had at least a vague idea of what are we getting ourselves into, > > when signing-up with the docs project. > > > > **Thats how it was supposed to read ** > > > > Thanks for the clarification, Vladimir. > > Signing up for the Fedora Docs Project is not a straight-forward process. > Surely, someone signs up with his or her "eyes wide open". > > Once a person volunteers, I think it is reasonable to ask them for a specific > commitment of time or talent. If someone fails to deliver, it should be noted > and that person should be asked respectfully if there is a blocking issue or > another priority preventing the completion of the task. I include myself in this > process of accountability. It's a very touchy thing, dealing with responsibility in a volunteer project. The notion of whip-cracking is a little daunting, but people who are committed generally are also self-directing. I would say that if we ever got into the bind that we needed to remind someone about accountability, we as a project are doing something wrong. The folks contributing time and effort should be appreciated fairly and proportionally for what they do. > > > It's only fair to establish this in some way. Project leaders cannot be > > > the only individuals with accountability attached to their roles. > > > > > > Then, to make project leader's life bearable, do what FDSCo page says: > > > > > > "As roles are defined in the process documentation, the chair will > > > delegate various roles to the members of the FDSCo to manage." > > > > > > Share the burden, guys, then do the similar down the hierarchy ladder in > > > your assigned areas. > > > > > > Try to set the milestones for every written bit, not only stuff that's > > > closely tied to $release. Do this with DUG, SAG, everything. > > > > > > It shouldn't be too hard to get some momentum going, though - stuff is > > > in a good shape, just needs a little bit more effort from all of us. > > > > > Agreed. Yes -- this is exactly why I have been trying to give as much help as is wanted or needed to folks trying to figure out the less obvious parts of our toolchain. With more people able to do things like release notes upkeep, XML conversion, publishing, etc., I know I'll have more time for editing and possibly even toolchain development. > > > > > >> ... or ... > > >> > > >> B. Reduce complexity and scope of leadership to focus on a SIG and just > > >> getting stuff done > > >> > > >> I've been trying to find my way back to A, and if that is our consensus, > > >> I'll work harder at making it happen. > > >> > > >> thx - Karsten > > The amount of work related to $release is pretty clear. In order of > priority, it is > > 1. Release Notes > 2a. Installation Guide > 2b. Administration Guide > 2c. Desktop User Guide > > These are edited on the wiki and eventually converted to DocBook XML > and published as immutable web pages. > > There is also plenty of wiki docs that may not be suitable for DocBook > conversion, due to their fast-changing content: > > These may include such special topics as: > > - Live CDs & Spins (fast-evolving) > - Virtualization (likewise) > - Upgrading in place (getting more standardized) > - RPM guide (overlapping with rpm.org) > - Yum (being incorporated into AG, IG & DUG) > - Games > - Translation, I18n and L10n pages I'm not sure I see how these couldn't be done in XML and CVS, but that's entirely dependent on how much our contributors want to develop additional skills. If the people doing the work prefer to do this on the wiki, then they should work there. That never keeps us from changing our minds later, and if it keeps momentum high, so much the better. > In conclusion, I vote for remaining a project and applying > project management procedures similar to that applied to > package committers and maintainers.. I'm glad this issue has spurred some discussion, but hope it wasn't aggravating to anyone. This is a good time to be around in the Docs Project and I look forward to many great achievements yet to come! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 18:15:52 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:15:52 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:47 -0500, John Wess wrote: > John Wess > * Orlando, Florida > * Sales Engineer > * Bright House Networks > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > * I just want to get started...editing and helping out > where I can. > * Historical qualifications > * I haven't written anything other than some blogs and > internal technical documentation. > * RedHat/Fedora and FreeBSD user for several years. > * I am not a programmer but I have a good sense of how > to communicate technology effectively to an > uninitiated audience. I am and have been an Open > Source advocate at home and work. [...snip...] Given the above narrative, would you be interested in helping with the Desktop User Guide currently in development? Drop a line here and John Babich will help get you oriented and involved. We (or some subset of "we") :-) are always available on IRC, irc.freenode.net -- channel #fedora-docs. See you around soon, we hope! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan at new2linux.com Wed Nov 21 18:34:18 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:34:18 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien Message-ID: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> Full Name: Dan O'Brien Location: New York, USA Profession: Systems Administrator Company: Xanboo, Inc. * Your goals in the Fedora Project o What do you want to write about? I'd like to help out wherever I can. o What other documentation do you want to see published? I'd like to see some documents geared towards people just getting started in Linux, or for people trying to make the switch from Windows to Linux. * Historical qualifications o What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? I started a website (new2linux.com) dedicated to helping people get started in Linux (albeit, i've spent more time getting the web application working than getting articles posted on it). o What level and type of computer skills do you have? Intermediate / Moderate. I've been running Linux since RedHat 7, dedicated Linux user for 2 1/2 - 3 years now. o What makes you an excellent match for the project? I have a general desire to help people get started in Linux and help them in any way possible. $ gpg --fingerprint A75979DB pub 1024D/A75979DB 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] Key fingerprint = D77E 7910 9AFE 9480 7BB8 EFF0 DFA6 0496 A759 79DB uid Dan OBrien (other) sub 1024g/DC1E64F0 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] From johndwess at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 19:11:37 2007 From: johndwess at gmail.com (John Wess) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:11:37 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <57bd1b180711211111j68bd98a2v19e6faf627c3a9a3@mail.gmail.com> I would be happy to help out with the Desktop User's Guide. Any guidance offered would be appreciated. On Nov 21, 2007 1:15 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:47 -0500, John Wess wrote: > > John Wess > > * Orlando, Florida > > * Sales Engineer > > * Bright House Networks > > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > > * I just want to get started...editing and helping out > > where I can. > > * Historical qualifications > > * I haven't written anything other than some blogs and > > internal technical documentation. > > * RedHat/Fedora and FreeBSD user for several years. > > * I am not a programmer but I have a good sense of how > > to communicate technology effectively to an > > uninitiated audience. I am and have been an Open > > Source advocate at home and work. > > [...snip...] > > Given the above narrative, would you be interested in helping with the > Desktop User Guide currently in development? Drop a line here and John > Babich will help get you oriented and involved. We (or some subset of > "we") :-) are always available on IRC, irc.freenode.net -- channel > #fedora-docs. 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URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 21 19:15:07 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:15:07 -0800 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1195672507.12502.34.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:11 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 12:02 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2007 6:29 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > The other important thing that we seem lacking is a way of measuring > > > > accountability. I realise we are all volunteers with a variety of other, > > > > more pressing commitments in our lives and that it is extremely > > > > difficult to enforce this. But I am also pretty sure that every single > > > > one of us had at least a vague idea of what are we getting ourselves into, > > > when signing-up with the docs project. > > > > > > **Thats how it was supposed to read ** > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification, Vladimir. > > > > Signing up for the Fedora Docs Project is not a straight-forward process. > > Surely, someone signs up with his or her "eyes wide open". > > > > Once a person volunteers, I think it is reasonable to ask them for a specific > > commitment of time or talent. If someone fails to deliver, it should be noted > > and that person should be asked respectfully if there is a blocking issue or > > another priority preventing the completion of the task. I include myself in this > > process of accountability. > > It's a very touchy thing, dealing with responsibility in a volunteer > project. The notion of whip-cracking is a little daunting, but people > who are committed generally are also self-directing. I would say that > if we ever got into the bind that we needed to remind someone about > accountability, we as a project are doing something wrong. The folks > contributing time and effort should be appreciated fairly and > proportionally for what they do. You know, having the progress bars for l10n hasn't hurt the volunteer community: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/releases/fedora-8 It is a very visible accountability and serves as a reminder/target to shoot for. People aren't afraid of being accountable or they wouldn't have come in the first place. Since our situation is much less complex, we could cook up some easy to manually update graphics for our several guides. Alternately, we could go to John Poelstra and get some help in cooking up a proper TaskJuggler schedule. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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But in essence, this is > indeed what I meant: that with the few hands we have, perhaps we're best > served by eliminating as much administration as possible, to the extent > it frees up resources/time. You are right, I picked up on this as a theme and a way to get a conversation going. We just have overly-stretched leaders, but the project itself is healthy. As I'm trying to renew *all* the commitments in my life that have been suffering over the months, I want to be sure that each one still needs me and what I have to offer. Also, I think it's good to have a strong leader for an important project like this one. I just want to make sure there is room in this garden to grow other leaders. When there are too few of us, we spread ourselves thin, and it acts like a mulch that suppresses the growth of other leaders. It's a bizarre and ironic effect. A solution is to rip ourselves up from doing tasks, thereby making room for someone else to do that task, get the nourishment, and grow. Therefore, elections *and* a review of who is doing what are both very useful right now. Let us proceed. - Karsten "Onward!" - Sacha Labourey -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To be honest, I'm not as passionate about PM work, so I don't prioritize it over other (fun!) stuff. Let's appeal to John Poelstra to work with us. Is there anyone here who is interested in PM work, scheduling, and the like? We could work with John to make up a Docs schedule that ties into the overall schedule (like as a module). BTW, I've seen some cool usages of TaskJuggler as part of automation and build tools. John has seen this, too, so I hope we'll be seeing some of that in Fedora. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 21 19:33:28 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:33:28 -0800 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1195673608.12502.51.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:26 +0100, Bart Couvreur wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? > > Yeah that seems to be a reasonable target. I'd like to get this done > early and we might want to create a docs hackfest around it: learning > how-to convert, splitting up the work: collaboration at it's best :-). > We could perhaps ask for the asterisk server to be setup for something > like this, but that might not help productivity, otoh: I'd like to hear > some peoples voice (don't ask me why). Not sure about asterisk, but we can certainly define a block of time to do the work. Does Sunday or Saturday work better? Four or eight hours? I'll be around. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 21 21:38:50 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:38:50 -0800 Subject: fedora 8 known issues In-Reply-To: <4743CF01.7010603@redhat.com> References: <473E28E8.3060305@redhat.com> <1195259076.19379.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4743CF01.7010603@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1195681130.12502.78.camel@erato.phig.org> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 22:24 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 15:34 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ > >> > >> Shouldn't the bottom part of page refer to "known bugs in Fedora 8" and not 7 ? > > > > It sure should. Fixed, thanks for catching that! > > > > > > You're welcome. > > Wondering if there is a release checklist of sorts for links to check > and make sure everything is correct prior to launch? With a list or > matrix to work from everyone could pitch in and be done quickly while > getting lots of extra sets of eyes. We don't have one, we could use one. Maybe we should cook up a requirement under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks ? > Maybe something like the SOP Infrastructure has? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/SOP/Release Or just go ahead and start populating a DocsProject/SOP/Release page, sure. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 21:59:59 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:59:59 -0500 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195672719.12502.40.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195672719.12502.40.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1195682399.18318.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 11:18 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:11 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I fear my blurting out something that came to mind has made me seem a > > little too much like an agent provocateur. But in essence, this is > > indeed what I meant: that with the few hands we have, perhaps we're best > > served by eliminating as much administration as possible, to the extent > > it frees up resources/time. > > You are right, I picked up on this as a theme and a way to get a > conversation going. Great -- I was afraid I might be misunderstood or, much worse, that I might have given offense to you, among others. To the rest of the folks on the list who may be somewhat new, be assured that Karsten was one of my original mentors in Fedora-land, and we are good buddies. He knows me well enough by now to know that I sometimes throw goofy ideas for the sole purpose of having him show me why they're, well... goofy. > We just have overly-stretched leaders, but the project itself is > healthy. Strangely, this release I felt like, although there was quite a bit going on, I felt pretty much on top of the things I was doing. Nevertheless (read on)... > As I'm trying to renew *all* the commitments in my life that have been > suffering over the months, I want to be sure that each one still needs > me and what I have to offer. > > Also, I think it's good to have a strong leader for an important project > like this one. I just want to make sure there is room in this garden to > grow other leaders. When there are too few of us, we spread ourselves > thin, and it acts like a mulch that suppresses the growth of other > leaders. It's a bizarre and ironic effect. Absolutely true, which is why I made the commitment to get out of the way for release notes. We have a growing number of people pitching in, and I think showing them how to do business is our most important goal right now. > A solution is to rip ourselves up from doing tasks, thereby making room > for someone else to do that task, get the nourishment, and grow. > > Therefore, elections *and* a review of who is doing what are both very > useful right now. Let us proceed. Mush! Mush! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 22:03:36 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:03:36 -0500 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195673113.12502.47.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <1195430687.2962.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195673113.12502.47.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1195682616.18318.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 11:25 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 09:04 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > Can we have a calender to plan stuff similar to how packaging has a > > target of what needs to be done. The only difference for us is that we > > are dependent on other people in some parts of the docs areas. Plus a > > lot of the stuff that is created is a revolving calender. > > Yes, it's the project management where we are suffering over the years. > To be honest, I'm not as passionate about PM work, so I don't prioritize > it over other (fun!) stuff. > > Let's appeal to John Poelstra to work with us. > > Is there anyone here who is interested in PM work, scheduling, and the > like? We could work with John to make up a Docs schedule that ties into > the overall schedule (like as a module). > > BTW, I've seen some cool usages of TaskJuggler as part of automation and > build tools. John has seen this, too, so I hope we'll be seeing some of > that in Fedora. :) As a GNOMEy guy, I am pretty disgusted at the lack of uptake on Planner (nee MrProject) since it was "liberated" by Imendio. No collaborative features, no net-awareness, etc. Maybe I'm just blind to whatever they've done with it, but I haven't seen it. I have no idea what sort of collaborative web-based tools are out there for this stuff, but I'm sure the TJ work John's doing will give us some sort of webby, multiplayer interface to Do Useful Stuff. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 21 22:07:35 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:07:35 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <1195682855.18318.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:34 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > Full Name: Dan O'Brien > Location: New York, USA > Profession: Systems Administrator > Company: Xanboo, Inc. > > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > o What do you want to write about? I'd like to help out > wherever I can. > o What other documentation do you want to see published? I'd > like to see some documents geared towards people just > getting started in Linux, or for people trying to make the > switch from Windows to Linux. > * Historical qualifications > o What other projects or writing have you worked on in the > past? I started a website (new2linux.com) dedicated to > helping people get started in Linux (albeit, i've spent more > time getting the web application working than getting > articles posted on it). > o What level and type of computer skills do you have? > Intermediate / Moderate. I've been running Linux since > RedHat 7, dedicated Linux user for 2 1/2 - 3 years now. > o What makes you an excellent match for the project? I have a > general desire to help people get started in Linux and help > them in any way possible. You've come to the right place, Dan! It never hurts to have experience putting up a Web site of your own, but you can also have some very immediate impact by helping John Babich out with the Desktop User Guide, or Bart Couvreur with the Administration Guide. I'd like to remind everyone to reach out for these folks using the fedora-docs-list here, rather than emailing privately. Fedora is a project that takes openness and transparency very seriously, and it's also very helpful (and empowering!) for lurking readers to see your conversation, issues, problems, and answers. Please let us know if you have any quesetions. You'll find a lot of what you need at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Nov 21 22:42:44 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:42:44 +0900 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:34 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > Full Name: Dan O'Brien > Location: New York, USA > Profession: Systems Administrator > Company: Xanboo, Inc. > > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > o What do you want to write about? I'd like to help out > wherever I can. > o What other documentation do you want to see published? I'd > like to see some documents geared towards people just > getting started in Linux, or for people trying to make the > switch from Windows to Linux. > * Historical qualifications > o What other projects or writing have you worked on in the > past? I started a website (new2linux.com) dedicated to > helping people get started in Linux (albeit, i've spent more > time getting the web application working than getting > articles posted on it). > o What level and type of computer skills do you have? > Intermediate / Moderate. I've been running Linux since > RedHat 7, dedicated Linux user for 2 1/2 - 3 years now. > o What makes you an excellent match for the project? I have a > general desire to help people get started in Linux and help > them in any way possible. > > $ gpg --fingerprint A75979DB > pub 1024D/A75979DB 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] > Key fingerprint = D77E 7910 9AFE 9480 7BB8 EFF0 DFA6 0496 A759 79DB > uid Dan OBrien (other) > sub 1024g/DC1E64F0 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] > > I would just like to say a huge Welcome!!!! as was mentioned you can help with the DUG (Desktop User Guide) I think the admin guide is just about done? If you need any help in a week or so give me a yell or if you catch me tonight after my last exam. Everyone is pretty helpful in getting you started if you read over the last month you'll read lots of spam from me with newbie questions. They might help you then again they might not :) Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Nov 21 22:45:59 2007 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 07:45:59 +0900 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195685159.8285.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:47 -0500, John Wess wrote: > John Wess > * Orlando, Florida > * Sales Engineer > * Bright House Networks > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > * I just want to get started...editing and helping out > where I can. > * Historical qualifications > * I haven't written anything other than some blogs and > internal technical documentation. > * RedHat/Fedora and FreeBSD user for several years. > * I am not a programmer but I have a good sense of how > to communicate technology effectively to an > uninitiated audience. I am and have been an Open > Source advocate at home and work. > * gpg --fingerprint 9E5F5EFE > pub 1024D/9E5F5EFE 2007-11-21 > Key fingerprint = 3FB1 1274 E95A D797 CCD0 1629 7376 > 258C 9E5F 5EFE > uid johndwess (for projects) > > sub 2048g/B2B95A9A 2007-11-21 Welcome to the docs project. How many Johns does that make it? :) As I mentioned in another thread lots of newbie questions were asked by me over the past month so feel free to look at the archives. The DUG needs some lovin' I'm going away for a weeks time but I'm more than happy to give you a hand. The easiest way I found how to edit the DUG specifically or any wiki pages is to have a look at what others have done and try and understand. IRC is a huge help where you will often find people who are supposed to be doing work helping out :) Cheers, Marc From vnk at mkc.co.nz Thu Nov 22 01:53:39 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:53:39 +1300 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <47410220.3060409@mkc.co.nz> <47410337.4010208@mkc.co.nz> <9d2c731f0711190102q2036d55ao86b257d2ff3ee6f@mail.gmail.com> <1195668695.31230.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4744E123.4070501@mkc.co.nz> Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I fear my blurting out something that came to mind has made me seem a > little too much like an agent provocateur. Not at all. It is an important issue that needed addressing. > But in essence, this is > indeed what I meant: that with the few hands we have, perhaps we're best > served by eliminating as much administration as possible, to the extent > it frees up resources/time. > It worked out as a wake-up call to at least some of us. >>>> I think I also understand where is Paul Frields coming from but I don't >>>> agree that it's time to give up. Instead, let's do what procedurally >>>> needs to be done - announce and hold elections and see how can we move on. > > Give up?!? Never! :-) Yeah, I know - very bad choice of words on my part. >> In conclusion, I vote for remaining a project and applying >> project management procedures similar to that applied to >> package committers and maintainers.. > > I'm glad this issue has spurred some discussion, but hope it wasn't > aggravating to anyone. I don't think it was. It was a right call (from both you and Karsten) that could have come earlier, actually. I'm just sorry that none of us had enough sensitivity to realise this beforehand and offer some help. This is a good time to be around in the Docs > Project and I look forward to many great achievements yet to come! > :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From vnk at mkc.co.nz Thu Nov 22 01:58:57 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 14:58:57 +1300 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <1195673608.12502.51.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> <1195673608.12502.51.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <4744E261.10400@mkc.co.nz> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:26 +0100, Bart Couvreur wrote: > >> Karsten Wade wrote: >>> Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? >> Yeah that seems to be a reasonable target. I'd like to get this done >> early and we might want to create a docs hackfest around it: learning >> how-to convert, splitting up the work: collaboration at it's best :-). >> We could perhaps ask for the asterisk server to be setup for something >> like this, but that might not help productivity, otoh: I'd like to hear >> some peoples voice (don't ask me why). > > Not sure about asterisk, but we can certainly define a block of time to > do the work. Does Sunday or Saturday work better? Four or eight hours? > I'll be around. :) > Saturday (US) would work much better for me. You chose the time of the day - whatever time is chosen will be weird down here, so I'm not too fussed. Vladimir > - Karsten > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From couf at skynet.be Thu Nov 22 07:38:58 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 08:38:58 +0100 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <4744E261.10400@mkc.co.nz> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> <1195673608.12502.51.camel@erato.phig.org> <4744E261.10400@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1195717138.3745.5.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> Op donderdag 22-11-2007 om 14:58 uur [tijdzone +1300], schreef Vladimir Kosovac: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-11-17 at 11:26 +0100, Bart Couvreur wrote: > > > >> Karsten Wade wrote: > >>> Could we target Sunday 25 Nov. for beginning the conversion to XML? > >> Yeah that seems to be a reasonable target. I'd like to get this done > >> early and we might want to create a docs hackfest around it: learning > >> how-to convert, splitting up the work: collaboration at it's best :-). > >> We could perhaps ask for the asterisk server to be setup for something > >> like this, but that might not help productivity, otoh: I'd like to hear > >> some peoples voice (don't ask me why). > > > > Not sure about asterisk, but we can certainly define a block of time to > > do the work. Does Sunday or Saturday work better? Four or eight hours? > > I'll be around. :) Hey well yeah asterisk would be too major probably, but hey it's always worth a shot. > > > Saturday (US) would work much better for me. You chose the time of the > day - whatever time is chosen will be weird down here, so I'm not too > fussed. Saturday would be fine, not sure what hours though. Suggest some and I'll tag in. (also known as: the whole worldwide-project hour problem) > > Vladimir > > > - Karsten > > > Anyone else want to join? 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Answering forum questions. o Computer skills: Intermediate in most areas, very strong in some. o I'm not a bad code monkey. o I've managed a software development project. o Some electrical and hard hack skills, using Linux (or no OS) of course :P. o What makes you an excellent match for the project? In a short amount of time I can product awesome work. Improving Fedora and the Linux experience is a very good thing. From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 23 05:14:14 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:14:14 -0800 Subject: Admin Guide: good progress In-Reply-To: <1195717138.3745.5.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> References: <1195295194.12221.22.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> <1195673608.12502.51.camel@erato.phig.org> <4744E261.10400@mkc.co.nz> <1195717138.3745.5.camel@lapcouf.bercie23.homelinux.net> Message-ID: <1195794855.3629.9.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-11-22 at 08:38 +0100, Bart Couvreur wrote: > Saturday would be fine, not sure what hours though. Suggest some and > I'll tag in. (also known as: the whole worldwide-project hour problem) From 16:00 Saturday to 06:00 Sunday is when I can be around. Maybe ~22:00 Saturday to start? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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(also known as: the whole worldwide-project hour problem) > > From 16:00 Saturday to 06:00 Sunday is when I can be around. Maybe > ~22:00 Saturday to start? > Are you US/Pacific? If so, it's fine with me (7 PM, Sunday). Vladimir > - Karsten > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Nov 23 07:22:28 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:22:28 +1000 Subject: admin guide dns and bind Message-ID: <95f1114b0711222322g2f161fc0lfca0ed4c23ad9b3f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I have 'completed' the DNS and BIND section. I have not read over what I have done, planning to do that Saturday morning since I am a day ahead of every ne else. The structure is terrible...maybe someone else will fix that ;). Maybe this section could be left out, I have only detailed how to setup and configure when compiling bind from source. I tried a 'yum install bind' this morning and couldn't even find where it put named.conf...so I figured I did not have enough time to learn all over again before saturday. Also, what is the policy on linking to external websites? I have a few links to other sites, such as http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns ... these sites may not be around as long as the guide though. I have included a "references and thanks" section at the end. These were the books and resources I used when I wrote the original paper that I used for this guide, however that knowledge is now common to me - so are the links needed? I don't think there should be a list like this in an admin guide anyway...but I don't want to take credit for someone elses work. If it shouldn't be there (I'm not sure it needs to be since it is common knowledge to me now). Thanks for any help or suggestions. Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From dan at new2linux.com Fri Nov 23 23:06:26 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:06:26 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:34 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > >> Full Name: Dan O'Brien >> Location: New York, USA >> Profession: Systems Administrator >> Company: Xanboo, Inc. >> >> * Your goals in the Fedora Project >> o What do you want to write about? I'd like to help out >> wherever I can. >> o What other documentation do you want to see published? I'd >> like to see some documents geared towards people just >> getting started in Linux, or for people trying to make the >> switch from Windows to Linux. >> * Historical qualifications >> o What other projects or writing have you worked on in the >> past? I started a website (new2linux.com) dedicated to >> helping people get started in Linux (albeit, i've spent more >> time getting the web application working than getting >> articles posted on it). >> o What level and type of computer skills do you have? >> Intermediate / Moderate. I've been running Linux since >> RedHat 7, dedicated Linux user for 2 1/2 - 3 years now. >> o What makes you an excellent match for the project? I have a >> general desire to help people get started in Linux and help >> them in any way possible. >> >> $ gpg --fingerprint A75979DB >> pub 1024D/A75979DB 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] >> Key fingerprint = D77E 7910 9AFE 9480 7BB8 EFF0 DFA6 0496 A759 79DB >> uid Dan OBrien (other) >> sub 1024g/DC1E64F0 2007-11-19 [expires: 2008-11-18] >> >> >> > > I would just like to say a huge Welcome!!!! as was mentioned you can > help with the DUG (Desktop User Guide) I think the admin guide is just > about done? If you need any help in a week or so give me a yell or if > you catch me tonight after my last exam. > > Everyone is pretty helpful in getting you started if you read over the > last month you'll read lots of spam from me with newbie questions. They > might help you then again they might not :) > > Cheers, > > Marc > > Sounds good to me. Where can I start? More to the point, where can I checkout the latest version of the DUG? From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 05:33:09 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:33:09 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 2:06 AM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:34 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > > > >> Full Name: Dan O'Brien > >> Location: New York, USA > >> Profession: Systems Administrator > >> Company: Xanboo, Inc. > > I would just like to say a huge Welcome!!!! as was mentioned you can > > help with the DUG (Desktop User Guide) I think the admin guide is just > > about done? If you need any help in a week or so give me a yell or if > > you catch me tonight after my last exam. Dan, let me also welcome you to the Fedora Docs Project! > Sounds good to me. Where can I start? More to the point, where can I > checkout the latest version of the DUG? As lead writer for the DUG, we had a great release for FC6, then didn't manage to get an F7 version out. So we're working in the wiki on the Fedora 8 version. You can find the FC6 basis for it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide The plan to is revise the wiki version, then publish it as an immutable web page using DocBook XML. There's plenty to do, especially on the KDE version. Don't worry too much about the overall structure. Pick a section and dive in. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, FDP From dan at new2linux.com Sat Nov 24 06:09:53 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:09:53 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> John Babich wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 2:06 AM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > >> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 13:34 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Full Name: Dan O'Brien >>>> Location: New York, USA >>>> Profession: Systems Administrator >>>> Company: Xanboo, Inc. >>>> > > > > >>> I would just like to say a huge Welcome!!!! as was mentioned you can >>> help with the DUG (Desktop User Guide) I think the admin guide is just >>> about done? If you need any help in a week or so give me a yell or if >>> you catch me tonight after my last exam. >>> > > > > Dan, let me also welcome you to the Fedora Docs Project! > > >> Sounds good to me. Where can I start? More to the point, where can I >> checkout the latest version of the DUG? >> > > As lead writer for the DUG, we had a great release for FC6, then > didn't manage to get an F7 version out. > > So we're working in the wiki on the Fedora 8 version. You can find the > FC6 basis for it at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > > > The plan to is revise the wiki version, then publish it as an immutable > web page using DocBook XML. There's plenty to do, especially on the > KDE version. Don't worry too much about the overall structure. Pick a > section and dive in. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, FDP > > OK, I'll get started on it tomorrow. I assume I'll need you to give me edit rights on the wiki (danobrien) ? From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 07:27:45 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:27:45 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 9:09 AM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > OK, I'll get started on it tomorrow. I assume I'll need you to give me > edit rights on the wiki (danobrien) ? Yes, as soon as I'm able to do it. My work access has a content filter which will block my access for 5 more hours. Best Rgeards, John Babich Lead writer, DUG From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 12:20:41 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 15:20:41 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 10:27 AM, John Babich wrote: > > Yes, as soon as I'm able to do it. My work access has a content filter > which will block my access for 5 more hours. > Done... Best Regards, John Babich Lead writer, DUG From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 13:14:34 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:14:34 -0500 Subject: admin guide dns and bind In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0711222322g2f161fc0lfca0ed4c23ad9b3f@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0711222322g2f161fc0lfca0ed4c23ad9b3f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195910074.20411.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 17:22 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have 'completed' the DNS and BIND section. I have not read over what > I have done, planning to do that Saturday morning since I am a day > ahead of every ne else. > > The structure is terrible...maybe someone else will fix that ;). > > Maybe this section could be left out, I have only detailed how to > setup and configure when compiling bind from source. I tried a 'yum > install bind' this morning and couldn't even find where it put > named.conf...so I figured I did not have enough time to learn all over > again before saturday. Unfortunately, this usage flies in the face of all the assumptions and guidelines for Fedora technical documentation. The section *must* be rewritten to deal with administrators doing 'yum install bind' and proceeding from there. If you don't have time to fix it now, that's perfectly OK. It just needs to be fixed before publication, or its inclusion deferred. Please remember, all, that one of Fedora's strong points is its robust software management capability via RPM and yum. Any and all procedures that you are writing for the AG need to use Fedora "best practices," which include using yum to install and remove software. When we don't use our own best practices in documentation, it sends a signal that (A) best practices don't matter (bad!), or (B) we don't trust them (worse!). As guide lead, Bart will undoubtedly be looking at these topics as we prepare to go to "second-draft" phase (or whatever the next phase is). > Also, what is the policy on linking to external websites? I have a few > links to other sites, such as http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns ... > these sites may not be around as long as the guide though. I would think that external links need to satisfy some definition of "authoritative," but I'm not sure what that definition entails. Linking to Joe Public's home website that is a checklist of how to run DNS on Gentoo is probably not a great choice. Linking to a website by a recognized authority (such as a published author, e.g. the link you provided above) is much better. > I have included a "references and thanks" section at the end. These > were the books and resources I used when I wrote the original paper > that I used for this guide, however that knowledge is now common to me > - so are the links needed? I don't think there should be a list like > this in an admin guide anyway...but I don't want to take credit for > someone elses work. If it shouldn't be there (I'm not sure it needs to > be since it is common knowledge to me now). > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. Bibliographic resources are great. They should be collected at the end of the Administration Guide, set out by section per topic if necessary, or simply note in a paragraph that the following resources pertained to topic X. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(also known as: the whole worldwide-project hour problem) > > > > From 16:00 Saturday to 06:00 Sunday is when I can be around. Maybe > > ~22:00 Saturday to start? > > > Are you US/Pacific? If so, it's fine with me (7 PM, Sunday). I am, but I meant those times in UTC. In Pacific time terms, right now (08:00) until late tonight, except for a few hours later in my afternoon to pursue pagan rituals disguised as Christmas tradition (trip to a Christmas tree farm.) - Karsten > Vladimir > > > - Karsten > > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan at new2linux.com Sat Nov 24 16:37:46 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:37:46 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> John Babich wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 10:27 AM, John Babich wrote: > > >> >> > > >> Yes, as soon as I'm able to do it. My work access has a content filter >> which will block my access for 5 more hours. >> >> > > Done... > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Lead writer, DUG > > Doesn't seem to be working. Maybe I'm missing something. After I log in I have no extra options to edit a page. I even tried creating http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/danobrien and it told me " You are not allowed to edit this page." Am I missing something? From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 24 16:42:56 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:42:56 -0800 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <57bd1b180711211111j68bd98a2v19e6faf627c3a9a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <57bd1b180711211111j68bd98a2v19e6faf627c3a9a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195922576.5074.7.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:11 -0500, John Wess wrote: > I would be happy to help out with the Desktop User's Guide. Any > guidance offered would be appreciated. Just because I didn't see the URL in this thread, the DUG is being worked here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide If you need wiki edit rights (JohnWess?) just let us know (on this list or via IRC on #fedora-docs), or add your name to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue. This is all to get proof that you've agreed to the Contributors License Agreement. One day we'll have that as a click through on the wiki ... - Karsten, waiting for Moin 1.6 ... > On Nov 21, 2007 1:15 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2007-11-20 at 23:47 -0500, John Wess wrote: > > John Wess > > * Orlando, Florida > > * Sales Engineer > > * Bright House Networks > > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > > * I just want to get started...editing and > helping out > > where I can. > > * Historical qualifications > > * I haven't written anything other than some > blogs and > > internal technical documentation. > > * RedHat/Fedora and FreeBSD user for several > years. > > * I am not a programmer but I have a good > sense of how > > to communicate technology effectively to an > > uninitiated audience. I am and have been an > Open > > Source advocate at home and work. > > > [...snip...] > > Given the above narrative, would you be interested in helping > with the > Desktop User Guide currently in development? Drop a line here > and John > Babich will help get you oriented and involved. We (or some > subset of > "we") :-) are always available on IRC, irc.freenode.net -- > channel > #fedora-docs. See you around soon, we hope! > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE > http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 > BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, > #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 24 16:49:02 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:49:02 -0800 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:37 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > Doesn't seem to be working. Maybe I'm missing something. After I log in > I have no extra options to edit a page. I even tried creating > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/danobrien and it told me " You are not > allowed to edit this page." Am I missing something? Checking http://fedoraproject.or/wiki/EditGroup I see your username isn't added. The convention has been FirstnameLastname, if you don't mind. Not sure why it's not enforced via the wiki, or maybe that's actually archaic? Anyway, just for good form, I added 'DanOBrien' to EditGroup. Can you go make that account and use it? :D - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan at new2linux.com Sat Nov 24 17:17:57 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:17:57 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:37 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > > >> Doesn't seem to be working. Maybe I'm missing something. After I log in >> I have no extra options to edit a page. I even tried creating >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/danobrien and it told me " You are not >> allowed to edit this page." Am I missing something? >> > > Checking http://fedoraproject.or/wiki/EditGroup I see your username > isn't added. > > The convention has been FirstnameLastname, if you don't mind. Not sure > why it's not enforced via the wiki, or maybe that's actually archaic? > Anyway, just for good form, I added 'DanOBrien' to EditGroup. Can you > go make that account and use it? :D > > - Karsten > I have an account, it's 'danobrien'... is it case sensitive? From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 17:36:42 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 20:36:42 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 8:17 PM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:37 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: < snip > > > > > The convention has been FirstnameLastname, if you don't mind. Not sure > > why it's not enforced via the wiki, or maybe that's actually archaic? > > Anyway, just for good form, I added 'DanOBrien' to EditGroup. Can you > > go make that account and use it? :D > I have an account, it's 'danobrien'... is it case sensitive? > Yes, DanOBrien is the one you should use, AFAIK. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Documents Project From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 24 17:54:31 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:54:31 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Chris Curran In-Reply-To: <47461064.4030509@redhat.com> References: <47461064.4030509@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1195926871.5074.29.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-11-23 at 09:27 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > * Christopher Curran > * Brisbane, Australia (+10) > * Technical Writer > * Red Hat > * Your goals in the Fedora Project > o To write about favourite subjects really, things I find > interesting and have a strong enthusiasm for (storage mainly > but I am known to dabble in many fields) > o I wouldn't mind doing a bit of editing now and then. Chris: Welcome. Feel free to look around (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ and /cvs/docs) to see what exists and what is being worked on. You might consider diving in to work on expanding/updating storage for the Administration Guide (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide at the moment, but we are doing an XML conversion as a beta/interim release.) Another place always need writers throughout the release cycle is for the release notes, which are doing in the wiki at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/. You can focus on just areas that interest you, signing up at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Beats. If you don't see a category for what you want to write about, you can suggest adding it. cheers - Karsten > * Historical qualifications > o I've written some of the pages on Gentoo's wiki. Short > stories, poetry and presently almost finished a novel. > Answering forum questions. > o Computer skills: Intermediate in most areas, very strong in > some. > o I'm not a bad code monkey. > o I've managed a software development project. > o Some electrical and hard hack skills, using Linux (or no > OS) of course :P. > o What makes you an excellent match for the project? In a > short amount of time I can product awesome work. Improving > Fedora and the Linux experience is a very good thing. > -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is anyone > else getting these alerts? > - The folks who are 'Sponsors' should be getting those > I receive an occasional email, which is why I went to the secure web page and authorized all those on the "back list". Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, FDP From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 24 19:36:41 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:36:41 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1195933001.28180.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 20:36 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 8:17 PM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:37 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: > < snip > > > > > > > The convention has been FirstnameLastname, if you don't mind. Not sure > > > why it's not enforced via the wiki, or maybe that's actually archaic? > > > Anyway, just for good form, I added 'DanOBrien' to EditGroup. Can you > > > go make that account and use it? :D > > > I have an account, it's 'danobrien'... is it case sensitive? > > > Yes, DanOBrien is the one you should use, AFAIK. Sorry to be pedantic, but I think it's actually supposed to be "DanObrien." The wiki, unfortunately, only recognizes WikiWords, not WikiWWords. I only know this because I tried to use PaulWFrields for my username for a while, then gave up and reverted it to PaulFrields. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is anyone > > else getting these alerts? > > - The folks who are 'Sponsors' should be getting those > > > > I receive an occasional email, which is why I went to the secure web > page and authorized all those on the "back list". I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dan at new2linux.com Sat Nov 24 21:45:35 2007 From: dan at new2linux.com (Dan O'Brien) Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 16:45:35 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47489B7F.5@new2linux.com> OK DanOBrien seems to be working. Thanks John Babich wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 8:17 PM, Dan O'Brien wrote: > >> Karsten Wade wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:37 -0500, Dan O'Brien wrote: >>> > < snip > > >>> The convention has been FirstnameLastname, if you don't mind. Not sure >>> why it's not enforced via the wiki, or maybe that's actually archaic? >>> Anyway, just for good form, I added 'DanOBrien' to EditGroup. Can you >>> go make that account and use it? :D >>> > > >> I have an account, it's 'danobrien'... is it case sensitive? >> >> > Yes, DanOBrien is the one you should use, AFAIK. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Documents Project > > From techwriter at documentwrite.com Sat Nov 24 23:44:36 2007 From: techwriter at documentwrite.com (Malcolm Jacobson) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:44:36 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Malcolm Jacobson Message-ID: <4748B764.50609@documentwrite.com> Hi all, My name is Malcolm Jacobson and I work as a Technical Writer in Brisbane, Australia. I have come to this list because I am trying to find out if it is possible to contribute to Fedora documentation on an ad-hoc basis. If I'm not in the right place I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. My first exposure to Linux was around 2001 (Red Hat Linux 7, I think) when the boss of the company I was working for retrenched all of our programmers and IT staff, then told me that "administering the Sendmail server is now part of your job". Imagine my joy. Since then I've experimented with various flavours of Linux, with the most recent being Ubuntu and Fedora, which brought me here. During the installation of Fedora 8 I encountered a problem with the DNS settings I wanted to use. I read through all of the "Network Administration Tool" Help and asked a few questions on forums but couldn't resolve the issue, so I ended up posting a BugZilla report. Thanks to the incredibly helpful Harald Hoyer I found out that the fix was a simple matter of clearing a particular check box that is enabled by default. This check box isn't covered in the Network Administration Tool Help, so I thought I'd quickly update it so the next person who encountered the same problem didn't clog up BugZilla with another "notabug" report. Unfortunately, after several days searching, I can't locate the repository for this Help and I can't work out how to contribute updates to a single topic. Is there some sort of Wiki available where people can upload/update documentation that will be included in the next release of Fedora? Is it possible to contribute on an ad-hoc basis (e.g. a single topic), or are you only allowed to contribute if you become part of a larger project? Unfortunately I don't have the spare time to become involved in any projects, but I would like to contribute what I can, when I can, if there is mechanism to do this. 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Frields wrote: > Sorry to be pedantic, but I think it's actually supposed to be > "DanObrien." The wiki, unfortunately, only recognizes WikiWords, not > WikiWWords. I only know this because I tried to use PaulWFrields for my > username for a while, then gave up and reverted it to PaulFrields. Dan, if it doesn't work (over time), you may have to revert to DanObrien. It's just a Fedora convention to use FirstnameLastname. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 12:42:15 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:42:15 +0300 Subject: cvsdocs requests In-Reply-To: <1195933129.28180.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1195926889.5074.31.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0711241001r7a8fa903g450943c60312c2d1@mail.gmail.com> <1195933129.28180.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711250442m5c5ac63t5deabc85a8358016@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 24, 2007 10:38 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > < snip > > I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any > actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, > we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for > people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. > No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention. > Not to be too bureaucratic, but do we have a clear-cut rule? Is it that anyone working on wiki docs, gets access? What about people wanting to translate wiki pages? What about people who only work on DocBook XML? I'm genuinely confused (no comments, please), so please give some guidelines or point to a written doc for my benefit and others. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, FDP From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 16:38:30 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:38:30 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Malcolm Jacobson In-Reply-To: <4748B764.50609@documentwrite.com> References: <4748B764.50609@documentwrite.com> Message-ID: <1196008710.24326.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 09:44 +1000, Malcolm Jacobson wrote: > Hi all, Hi Malcolm! [...snip...] > During the installation of Fedora 8 I encountered a problem with the > DNS settings I wanted to use. I read through all of the "Network > Administration Tool" Help and asked a few questions on forums but > couldn't resolve the issue, so I ended up posting a BugZilla report. > Thanks to the incredibly helpful Harald Hoyer I found out that the fix > was a simple matter of clearing a particular check box that is enabled > by default. This check box isn't covered in the Network Administration > Tool Help, so I thought I'd quickly update it so the next person who > encountered the same problem didn't clog up BugZilla with another > "notabug" report. Unfortunately, after several days searching, I can't > locate the repository for this Help and I can't work out how to > contribute updates to a single topic. This is definitely something that should appear in the Administration Guide, under "setting up networks" or some such. > Is there some sort of Wiki available where people can upload/update > documentation that will be included in the next release of Fedora? > > Is it possible to contribute on an ad-hoc basis (e.g. a single topic), > or are you only allowed to contribute if you become part of a larger > project? > > Unfortunately I don't have the spare time to become involved in any > projects, but I would like to contribute what I can, when I can, if > there is mechanism to do this. Here's the rub, Malcolm: Documentation from contributors, which we welcome, has to be licensed in a way that we are free to distribute it, and that anyone else is free to copy and redistribute. We therefore must have controls in place that allow you to affirmatively license your work in that fashion. Unfortunately, right now there are a couple too many steps involved in doing this, but we are working hard to make this easier for people like yourself, who just want to help with wiki-based documentation. In the meantime, you can visit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join for instructions on geting a Fedora account and wiki access. It will take probably about 15-30 minutes of your time, all told, and maybe some wait time for someone to do the necessary approval and adding you to the wiki EditGroup. Apologies for the length of the process, but again, I know that Karsten has been actively pushing toward getting one-click wiki licensing for a while, and we hope it will exist soon. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 16:41:00 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:41:00 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction : Dan O'Brien In-Reply-To: <1195962086.5074.33.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <47447A2A.3020302@new2linux.com> <1195684964.8285.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47475CF2.501@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232133x7ef2a67bw229da2263c0b73e4@mail.gmail.com> <4747C031.8070807@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711232327h10874e48gfa5c7d28f1a3dd6@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0711240420k52ad8647nc2aea303817cb51@mail.gmail.com> <4748535A.1050204@new2linux.com> <1195922943.5074.13.camel@erato.phig.org> <47485CC5.3030803@new2linux.com> <9d2c731f0711240936i4e04d82dlb1d65c295a6371fa@mail.gmail.com> <1195933001.28180.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195962086.5074.33.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1196008860.24326.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 19:41 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 14:36 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > Sorry to be pedantic, but I think it's actually supposed to be > > "DanObrien." The wiki, unfortunately, only recognizes WikiWords, not > > WikiWWords. I only know this because I tried to use PaulWFrields for my > > username for a while, then gave up and reverted it to PaulFrields. > > Dan, if it doesn't work (over time), you may have to revert to > DanObrien. > > It's just a Fedora convention to use FirstnameLastname. I think I found that what *doesn't* work when you do something like DanOBrien or PaulWFrields, is that simply putting that user name in a page doesn't result in an automatic link to your personal wiki page. Instead, you have to use this format: [:PaulWFrields:PaulWFrields] ...anytime you want to put your name in. It's a bit of a pain, really... and I suppose there could some day be an automatic script that might miss one's account if named wrong. So in short, make your life easier! :-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 16:46:57 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:46:57 -0500 Subject: cvsdocs requests In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711250442m5c5ac63t5deabc85a8358016@mail.gmail.com> References: <1195926889.5074.31.camel@erato.phig.org> <9d2c731f0711241001r7a8fa903g450943c60312c2d1@mail.gmail.com> <1195933129.28180.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0711250442m5c5ac63t5deabc85a8358016@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1196009217.24326.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-11-25 at 15:42 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 24, 2007 10:38 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > < snip > > > > I also see the mail when someone authorizes. I don't recall seeing any > > actual authorization *request* recently, though. And as Karsten says, > > we probably don't need to (and shouldn't) grant overall CVS access for > > people who are going to be translating rather than authoring/editing. > > No big deal as an open project, except for disaster prevention. > > > Not to be too bureaucratic, but do we have a clear-cut rule? > > Is it that anyone working on wiki docs, gets access? What about people > wanting to translate wiki pages? > > What about people who only work on DocBook XML? > > I'm genuinely confused (no comments, please), so please give some > guidelines or point to a written doc for my benefit and others. Well, the translators have their own signup routines, as codified in the Translation Quick Start Guide: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ Note that the instructions only ask them to sign up for the "cvsl10n" group (Sections 2.6 and 4). I suppose we could put in a warning of some sort, but that seems like overkill -- after all, the Packagers group doesn't put up admonitions not to sign up for "cvsdocs," right? All CVS access is granted by need with an extremely low barrier, but in this case the need is zero, since translators in the "cvsl10n" group automatically can deal with any documentation's "po/" folder in CVS. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 17:32:25 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 12:32:25 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <1195922576.5074.7.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <57bd1b180711211111j68bd98a2v19e6faf627c3a9a3@mail.gmail.com> <1195922576.5074.7.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <1196011945.24326.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 08:42 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:11 -0500, John Wess wrote: > > I would be happy to help out with the Desktop User's Guide. Any > > guidance offered would be appreciated. > > Just because I didn't see the URL in this thread, the DUG is being > worked here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > > If you need wiki edit rights (JohnWess?) just let us know (on this list > or via IRC on #fedora-docs), or add your name to > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditGroupQueue. This is all to get proof > that you've agreed to the Contributors License Agreement. One day we'll > have that as a click through on the wiki ... The topic (and John Wess's name) came up in today's meeting and I see that he's in the wiki EditGroup now. JohnW, you should be hearing from John Babich very shortly on helping with this. I believe there are a couple other contributors lined up to help. Remember that with the wiki, you can pretty much jump right in if you're a self-directing type. Be bold! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 18:20:14 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:20:14 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2007-10-25 IRC log Message-ID: <1196014814.24326.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> 12:09 < stickster> 12:09 < stickster> We have two agenda items, then on to AOB. 12:09 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Meetings 12:09 < stickster> (shorter URL link, redirects to canonical page) 12:10 < stickster> The first thing up is a Docs status report for F8, let's let couf and jmbuser elaborate 12:10 < EvilBob> BobJensen 12:10 < stickster> Hi BobJensen! 12:10 < couf> AG is shaping up to become something decent 12:10 < couf> it's come a long way 12:11 < jmbuser> +1 12:11 < stickster> There's quite a bit of new material there, kudos! 12:11 < couf> we were going to convert to cvs yesterday but due to some bad schedules we missed that 12:12 < couf> I'm going to let it in the wiki for 1 more week before doing the conversion 12:12 < stickster> Did you guys arrive at a consensus for doing CVS conversion? Is that going to hamper contribution at all? 12:12 < couf> we're going to try and keep it in cvs then 12:12 < couf> it's a testcase 12:12 < couf> if it doesn't work out, well then it's back to the wiki 12:13 < stickster> I note that there's very little in the AG about the standard GUI toolset (System > Administration > [...]) 12:13 < couf> right, good point 12:14 < couf> I'm writing up something for the list to digest, points to consider, ... 12:14 < stickster> Sure... People can add comments to the list traffic then 12:15 < stickster> I would like to see the Guide do more along the lines of solving the simple use cases before it goes into tremendous detail about the ins and outs of config files. 12:16 < couf> the thing is, people tend to find administration complicated and want to read more then they can really use 12:16 < stickster> For instance, Users: 1. Adding a User; 2. Deleting a User; 3. Adding a Group; 4. Deleting a Group; 5. Modifying a User's Group Membership; 6. User Private Groups; 7. .... 12:16 < couf> I feel that's reflected in the current state 12:17 < stickster> Right, so to me *de-emphasizing* the complicated stuff, or pushing it later in a chapter, makes more sense 12:17 < stickster> Start small, build the skill as the chapter goes along 12:17 < couf> right 12:17 < jmbuser> Agree 12:17 < EvilBob> IMO for every "Guide" there is also room for a "Quick Start" 12:18 < stickster> EvilBob: Sure, I feel that each chapter/topic is really best served up as a quick start, then a slightly less-quick start, then a slow deep dive 12:18 < EvilBob> yup 12:18 < couf> so that's an important part of my to-the-list message 12:18 < stickster> If you look at the goal of any document as a skill-building tool, then you have to start with the most fundamental, elementary skills, then build on them 12:19 < stickster> couf: Great, we can delve into this more on-lis then 12:19 < stickster> *on-list 12:20 < stickster> couf: As the leader for that doc, you should feel free to encourage the writers to follow your blueprint ideas 12:20 < couf> yeah, just noting: I probably won't be around for the rest off the week so if someone could help and follow-up in my place, that would be great 12:20 < stickster> Let's also not forget that our deadline here is self-imposed -- so if we need an extra week or two, it's there. 12:21 < stickster> jmbuser: Want to talk about the DUG? I know we had a few contributors pop up to help. 12:21 < jmbuser> Yes, great to have the help...thanks to Marc and, just recently, Dan 12:22 < jmbuser> Even had a few edits today 12:22 < stickster> jmbuser: There was a John Wess on the list too, who seemed keen on helping 12:23 < stickster> Looks like he's got edit rights now, too 12:23 < jmbuser> yes, I need to see if I made contact with him yet 12:23 < stickster> Side note to all: 12:23 < jmbuser> I got generous with the approvals recently :-) 12:23 < stickster> This is always the most fertile time for getting contributors -- right after a new release 12:24 < stickster> The quicker we can grab onto those contributors and get them started, the more likely they'll stick around and make lasting contributions 12:24 < jmbuser> especially a good release like fedora 8 12:25 < stickster> jmbuser: And don't worry about the CVS thing, like I said, it's not a big worry 12:26 < stickster> Mainly I wanted people to be aware that translators don't need to have cvsdocs access, one less hoop through which to jump ;-) 12:26 < couf> do we need to talk about that some more? 12:26 < stickster> This is one reason that we went to using a "po/LINGUAS" file in CVS instead of editing the Makefile -- now translators can simply add themselves in if they're translating a new locale 12:26 < stickster> couf: I'm not sure 12:26 < stickster> The key points are: 12:27 < stickster> (1) we don't have any problems giving people CVS access 12:27 < stickster> (2) translators don't need 'cvsdocs' group membership to do their work 12:27 < stickster> (3) most CVS administrators feel better using least privilege 12:27 < couf> right 12:27 < stickster> (4) since there are other people involved in CVS admin duties than just me and quaid, we'll err on the side of not giving the others heartburn :-) 12:28 < stickster> Having said that, people can author docs in our CVS in a non-"en_US" locale 12:28 < couf> so do we want to flesh out the cvsdocs group? 12:28 < stickster> We don't want to prevent anyone from doing that 12:28 < stickster> couf: You mean, do we want to add new contributors to that group? 12:29 < couf> no, I think a new contributor on docs should have cvsdocs access 12:29 < stickster> sure 12:29 < couf> but there are a lot of translators in cvsdocs, which don't need anything than cvsl10n 12:30 < stickster> couf: Good point that 12:30 < stickster> It might be a good reason to cull that list a little 12:30 < stickster> couf: Are you able to maybe raise this topic in fedora-trans-list? 12:30 < couf> sure 12:30 < stickster> With the main reason being that 'cvsl10n' gives them everything they need, and not because we don't love them 12:31 < couf> yep 12:31 < stickster> L10N ROXXX! 12:31 < stickster> \m/_ _\m/ 12:32 < couf> all righty, next? 12:32 < stickster> OK, I'll look for that thread, thanks couf 12:33 < stickster> I know quaid might have some input too, he can pop in here to let us know if there's something (new) dumb that I've done 12:33 < stickster> Well, roundup on Release Notes is probably in order 12:33 < couf> sure 12:34 < stickster> At least to note that we should be pressing a package update in about a week or so 12:34 < stickster> That's 'nuff said, I think 12:35 -!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Documentation Meeting: election planning 12:35 < couf> elections yay 12:36 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections 12:36 < stickster> I thought we had something out there, cool.. 12:36 < stickster> This has some interesting implications with culling the 'cvsdocs' group 12:36 < stickster> But I think it makes sense 12:37 < stickster> Opinions? 12:37 < couf> it does, but I'm not sure translators need to vote on dsco, they have lsco (or something like that) 12:38 < stickster> Right 12:38 < jmbuser> Should we cull the cvsdocs group before the election? 12:38 < couf> imo, ys 12:38 < couf> yes 12:39 < jmbuser> yes to culling 12:39 < stickster> jmbuser: Right, that's where I was pointing... I would hate people to look at that and think we were trying to "disenfranchise" voters :-D 12:39 < stickster> OTOH, as couf said, l10n voters have their own committee 12:40 < stickster> Their work definitely dovetails with ours, certainly 12:40 < stickster> I guess I would lean toward culling the list before we put up nominations 12:40 < EvilBob> If they are interested in Voting why not let them 12:40 < EvilBob> if they are not interested in our election they will not vote 12:41 < couf> true 12:41 < jmbuser> true 12:41 < EvilBob> I don't see why having someone that primarily does translation vote in our election is a problem, our work here does effect them 12:41 < stickster> EvilBob: The only "why not" reason I could give would be the same reason that, for instance, FESCo elections aren't open to people who don't do any maintenance 12:41 < jmbuser> too many voters usually isn't the problem with our election 12:42 < stickster> But I don't see that as a good reason, so... ;-) 12:42 < stickster> I think the funny thing is, this is a good reason not to give out CVS access willy-nilly 12:42 < EvilBob> I would say no culling until after the election 12:42 < stickster> But in a volunteer project where so many people work together closely, it seems silly not to let people have a say 12:43 < stickster> Let's put it this way -- I coordinated a lot of POT work with release notes for the last cycle. 12:43 < stickster> That impacted a lot of L10N resources. 12:43 < EvilBob> after the election we can clean up the list and those that want to be part of our process can get added back in 12:43 < couf> okay, I'm starting to turn into a cull after elections 12:43 < stickster> If people there hate how I handle things, why shouldn't they be allowed to express it? 12:43 < jmbuser> no culling then 12:43 < stickster> Yeah, I think I'm having a mind-changing experience :-) 12:43 < couf> :-) 12:43 < EvilBob> I win! 12:44 < stickster> haha 12:44 < couf> lol 12:44 < couf> so dates? 12:44 < stickster> Let's back-burner this until post-election, but it will be the responsibility of the new FDSCo to make sure it gets done within, say, two weeks after elections. 12:44 < stickster> Should be a fairly easy job.. 12:44 < EvilBob> stickster: +1 12:44 < couf> okay +1 12:45 < jmbuser> +1 12:45 < EvilBob> thanks guys 12:45 < stickster> Well, our charter says we should try to coincide with the FESCo elections 12:45 < stickster> I'll make sure abadger_afk knows we would like to do that 12:46 < stickster> for instance, by shouting abadger_afk 12:46 < EvilBob> stickster: yes and make sure he can handle two elections at one time 12:46 < abadger_afk> stickster: yo! 12:46 -!- abadger is now known as abadger1999 12:46 < stickster> See, it's like magic! He's like our guardian democratic angel 12:47 < couf> when's the FESCo election? I thought that happend some time ago? 12:47 < stickster> couf: Already for post-F8? 12:47 < stickster> I couldn't have missed that news, could I? :-\ 12:47 * stickster knows quite well he very well could have 12:47 * couf could be wrong 12:47 < abadger1999> FESCo has annual elections. So they were post-F7 12:47 < couf> aha 12:47 < stickster> Ah, not per release? 12:48 < abadger1999> Correct 12:48 < stickster> OK. Our charter has them per release, which I believe we confirmed last cycle. 12:48 < couf> so we could maybe tie into the FAMSCo elections then? 12:48 < stickster> Sure. 12:48 < stickster> abadger1999: We just want to make sure we're not giving people election fatigue 12:48 * EvilBob is listening to some local guys down on San Andres Island working a morse code contest. 12:49 < couf> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2007-November/msg00078.html 12:49 < stickster> Once we come up with dates, abadger1999, can I just get in touch with you? 12:49 < abadger1999> Okay. We still don't have a way to hold multiple elections at the same time :-( 12:49 < stickster> Oh, gotcha. 12:49 < EvilBob> OK 12:49 < abadger1999> No one's had time to rewrite the app. 12:50 < abadger1999> stickster: Yep. Go ahead and send me the details and I'll set it up. 12:50 < stickster> That reminds me, I may have entered that issue in your trac db, but I'm not sure. 12:50 < stickster> It was probably a "we'll get to this post-apocalypse" issue :-D 12:50 < stickster> Thanks abadger1999, will do. 12:50 < stickster> All right, gang, we should probably figure out who's up this time -- that should be easy to find out from looking at the post-F7 ML archives. 12:51 < stickster> Let's do that on-list, eh? 12:51 < EvilBob> I am not up this time, but I would like to offer up my seat as I have not been that active. 12:51 < jmbuser> ok 12:52 < couf> euh, that would be post f6 12:52 < couf> we didn't have an election last time, due to lack of time 12:52 < stickster> Oh, is that right? 12:52 < stickster> whoops. 12:52 < EvilBob> couf: right 12:52 < couf> we were going to have one, but it just didn't happen 12:53 < couf> in that case, actually all seats should be up for election 12:53 < stickster> couf: Are you sure? I see updates on the Elections page back around February 2007 12:53 < couf> unless we decide differently 12:53 < couf> we were going to have one in August too 12:53 < EvilBob> couf: no I think we simply pushed out the schedule 12:54 < stickster> Ah yes, I see where you're pointing couf 12:54 < couf> ah yeah, maybe we should reallign it with the more formal release schedule 12:54 < stickster> Right. So this will be our mid-cycle election -- perhaps doing this at some point significantly before Alpha, so that we don't end up doing this in the middle of the release pushes 12:55 < couf> +1 12:55 < stickster> That would mean around three weeks from now -- maybe coinciding somewhat with Christmas, although that shouldn't be a big problem with a two-week vote period 12:56 < EvilBob> +1 12:56 < jmbuser> +1 12:56 < couf> yeah, alpha is scheduled for 15 Jan, so that would be okay 12:56 < EvilBob> stickster: so just after the ambassadors election? 12:56 < stickster> EvilBob: what are their dates 12:56 < stickster> ? 12:56 < couf> see above link 12:56 < EvilBob> Nominations: 11/21/2007 to 12/2/2007 12:56 < EvilBob> Voting Period: 12/4/2007 to 12/11/2007 12:57 < stickster> self.head.conk() 12:57 < stickster> Sure, that seems opportune, then. 12:57 < stickster> We could do voting for a week or so, that seems plenty for our-sized group. 12:57 < stickster> Say, 12/11 - 12/18, or 12/12 - 12/19 12:57 < couf> self nomination untill 12/20 12:58 < couf> wow, I meant 12/12 12:58 < EvilBob> so 18th - 25th or the 1st? 12:58 < stickster> I would go for noms 12/4 - 12/11, then voting somewhere around 12/12 - 12/19 12:58 < couf> right 12:58 < EvilBob> if we start voting a week after ambassadors I think it might be good 12:59 < stickster> I think the worry would be doing a week during the week of Christmas -- bad idea 12:59 < stickster> Plus, we need some time between the election close and the ramp-up of the Alpha release, to make sure we're getting our guides off the ground 13:00 < stickster> We can hit this more on list 13:00 < EvilBob> the holiday is the 25th, so the 18th start date would give a week before then and 4 voting days before people leave for a week+ 13:01 < stickster> I don't see what the extra week gains us, other than white space on a calendar 13:02 < stickster> The priority I was looking at was moving back from the release schedule milestone dates 13:02 < EvilBob> abadger1999: how soon after the ambassadors election can youhave our's ready? 13:02 < stickster> We could always split the middle, do something like 12/15-12/22 13:03 < stickster> That has the added bonus of capturing all or part of two weekends 13:03 < EvilBob> stickster: yeah I was just looking at the 14th here 13:03 < abadger1999> EvilBob: The next day. People usu. like to have two weekends, though. 13:03 < stickster> Maybe 15-22 Dec, or 15-23 Dec would be best. 13:03 < EvilBob> stickster: 14 -24? 13:04 < EvilBob> stickster: that gives us almost 2 weekend 13:04 < stickster> EvilBob: Sure. The length of the voting period seems excessive for as small a number of votes as we're likely to get, but meh 13:04 < stickster> Let's do that. 13:04 < stickster> +1 13:04 < couf> and he wins again :-) 13:04 < stickster> EvilBob is active when it comes to arguing :-D 13:04 < jmbuser> +1 13:04 < EvilBob> nominations in by the 12th, voting 14-24 13:04 < EvilBob> stickster: LOL 13:05 < stickster> EvilBob: disco 13:05 < stickster> All right, AOB? 13:05 < jmbuser> EvilBob shoots...and scores! 13:05 < stickster> 15 sec 13:05 < couf> just noting: sorry to not enter into the sig/project thread, I seemed to not have any pro/cons either way 13:05 * stickster clock resets 13:06 < stickster> Not a problem. I think we resolved it the right way 13:06 < stickster> cooler heads usually prevail. 13:06 < couf> yeah 13:06 < stickster> AOB? 13:06 < couf> anyway interesting discussion 13:06 < stickster> 15 sec 13:06 < EvilBob> none here 13:06 < stickster> 10 13:06 < couf> nope 13:06 < stickster> 5 13:06 < stickster> 4 13:06 < stickster> 3 13:06 < jmbuser> no 13:06 < stickster> 2 13:06 < stickster> 1 13:06 < stickster> -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 25 18:53:44 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:53:44 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2007-10-25 Summary Message-ID: <1196016824.24326.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> Attendees: ----------- John Babich Bart Couvreur Paul W. Frields Bob Jensen Summary: --------- * AG work well underway, will leave open for 1+ more weeks for more material due to lead's temporary absence. - ACTION ITEM: BART to start thread on possible changes to content * DUG gearing back up - ACTION ITEM: JOHN to wrangle new contributors to get work underway according to his master plan * CVS access - L10N folks do not need CVS access. FDSCo in agreement that access list should be culled, but not until after FDSCo elections, so as to encourage highest participation. * Election planning - Tentative dates floated to follow FAMSCo election in December. Nominations open 5-12 December, elections from 14-24 December. - ACTION ITEM: PAUL to coordinate with Toshio as needed. -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 07:41:57 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:41:57 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction: John Wess In-Reply-To: <1196011945.24326.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <57bd1b180711202047i47fccfc7wb5893350dea91cac@mail.gmail.com> <1195668952.31230.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <57bd1b180711211111j68bd98a2v19e6faf627c3a9a3@mail.gmail.com> <1195922576.5074.7.camel@erato.phig.org> <1196011945.24326.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711252341q18bce090ia65c82d6ad17bc91@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 25, 2007 8:32 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 08:42 -0800, Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 14:11 -0500, John Wess wrote: > > > I would be happy to help out with the Desktop User's Guide. Any > > > guidance offered would be appreciated. Welcome to Fedora Docs Project, John! As already noted, the link to the wiki section for the DUG is http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > The topic (and John Wess's name) came up in today's meeting and I see > that he's in the wiki EditGroup now. JohnW, you should be hearing from > John Babich very shortly on helping with this. I believe there are a > couple other contributors lined up to help. > That would be me (jmbuser on IRC). JonathanRoberts, MarcWiriadisastra and DanOBrien are currently editing the DUG, but there plenty to do and more help is always welcome. In terms of desktop apps, they can be categorized as GNOME, KDE, Xfce and common apps. GNOME apps are pretty well covered, since they were the default apps. KDE apps are getting more attention recently. Xfce apps are not covered at all AFAIK. The common apps are OpenOffice.org, Firefox, etc. John, you are now in the EditGroup, so feel free to start editing a section. You can add new material or review what's been written so far and make spelling and/or grammatical corrections. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide for guidelines. At the same time, don't get tripped up with the mechanics of wiki writing. I regularly review the DUG and can fix things, like the format of the admonitions, as needed.. > Remember that with the wiki, you can pretty much jump right in if you're > a self-directing type. Be bold! Definitely be bold. The wiki has an automatic versioning system, so if things really go bad, we can always revert to a previous version. Dive in! Best Regards, John Babich Lead writer, DUG From techwriter at documentwrite.com Mon Nov 26 12:15:05 2007 From: techwriter at documentwrite.com (Malcolm Jacobson) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:15:05 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Malcolm Jacobson In-Reply-To: <1196008710.24326.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4748B764.50609@documentwrite.com> <1196008710.24326.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474AB8C9.5090708@documentwrite.com> Hi Paul, Thanks for your reply. > Here's the rub, Malcolm: Documentation from contributors, which we > welcome, has to be licensed in a way that we are free to distribute it, > and that anyone else is free to copy and redistribute. We therefore > must have controls in place that allow you to affirmatively license your > work in that fashion. Unfortunately, right now there are a couple too > many steps involved in doing this, but we are working hard to make this > easier for people like yourself, who just want to help with wiki-based > documentation. > OK. I've written a fair bit of free (mainly Creative Commons licensed) content over the years, but I've never encountered the key/fingerprint process before. I look forward to the arrival of one-click licensing! > In the meantime, you can visit > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join for instructions on > geting a Fedora account and wiki access. Thanks. I had a read through the Fedora Documentation Style Guide today and I found the section on "Screenshots and Images" quite interesting. I understand the reasons why images are not preferred, but I would like to use at least one screenshot per page in my documentation. If I use more than one image per page will my documentation be rejected? I also found a couple of typo's in the Style Guide. I'm not sure if they should be the subject of another email, so I'll just include them here: 1. On the "Content and Rendering" page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/ContentAndRendering The second sentence is missing the word "of" between "types" and "information" (Many writers use formatting to distinguish between different types information ...). 2. On the "Dates and Times" page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/DatesAndTimes The third sentence of the third paragraph of the "Absolute Times" section is missing the "s" in the word "use" (For example, to ue precision ...). Cheers, Malcolm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 26 16:17:14 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:17:14 -0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Malcolm Jacobson In-Reply-To: <474AB8C9.5090708@documentwrite.com> References: <4748B764.50609@documentwrite.com> <1196008710.24326.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <474AB8C9.5090708@documentwrite.com> Message-ID: <1196093834.5059.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 22:15 +1000, Malcolm Jacobson wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Thanks for your reply. > > Here's the rub, Malcolm: Documentation from contributors, which we > > welcome, has to be licensed in a way that we are free to distribute it, > > and that anyone else is free to copy and redistribute. We therefore > > must have controls in place that allow you to affirmatively license your > > work in that fashion. Unfortunately, right now there are a couple too > > many steps involved in doing this, but we are working hard to make this > > easier for people like yourself, who just want to help with wiki-based > > documentation. > > > OK. I?ve written a fair bit of free (mainly Creative Commons licensed) > content over the years, but I?ve never encountered the key/fingerprint > process before. I look forward to the arrival of one-click licensing! As do we all! :-) > > In the meantime, you can visit > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join for instructions on > > geting a Fedora account and wiki access. > Thanks. I had a read through the Fedora Documentation Style Guide > today and I found the section on "Screenshots and Images" quite > interesting. I understand the reasons why images are not preferred, > but I would like to use at least one screenshot per page in my > documentation. If I use more than one image per page will my > documentation be rejected? Not rejected, but likely we'd remove the screenshots unless, as the guidelines say, they're required to make sense of the text. Screenshots can't be translated easily, nor are they usually required if your text is clear. Try writing without the screenshot; you will find it makes you write more clearly since you can't fall back on the crutch of "aw, just look at the picture." :-) Screenshots make sense when the text is really all about getting the user familiar with graphical elements. In the DUG, for example, having a screenshot of the default GUI desktop with callouts for the main menu, panels, desktop, and icons would be appropriate. In most other cases, you can simply reference GUI elements by name ("Select the 'Apply' button"). Don't use directional guides ("Find the program name in the list on the left") unless it's absolutely necessary, especially since layout can change for various reasons. Hope that helps! > I also found a couple of typo's in the Style Guide. I'm not sure if > they should be the subject of another email, so I'll just include them > here: > > 1. On the "Content and Rendering" page > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/ContentAndRendering > > The second sentence is missing the word "of" between "types" and > "information" (Many writers use formatting to distinguish between > different types information ...). > > 2. On the "Dates and Times" page > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/DatesAndTimes > > The third sentence of the third paragraph of the "Absolute Times" > section is missing the "s" in the word "use" (For example, to ue > precision ...). With a wiki account you could fix these yourself! :-) Thanks for the catches -- if I don't get to it fast enough, I'm sure some kind soul on the list will beat me to it. -- Paul W. 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Unfortunately, right now there are a couple too >> many steps involved in doing this, but we are working hard to make this >> easier for people like yourself, who just want to help with wiki-based >> documentation. >> > OK. I?ve written a fair bit of free (mainly Creative Commons licensed) > content over the years, but I?ve never encountered the key/fingerprint > process before. I look forward to the arrival of one-click licensing! >> In the meantime, you can visit >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join for instructions on >> geting a Fedora account and wiki access. > Thanks. I had a read through the Fedora Documentation Style Guide > today and I found the section on "Screenshots and Images" quite > interesting. I understand the reasons why images are not preferred, > but I would like to use at least one screenshot per page in my > documentation. If I use more than one image per page will my > documentation be rejected? > > I also found a couple of typo's in the Style Guide. I'm not sure if > they should be the subject of another email, so I'll just include them > here: > > 1. On the "Content and Rendering" page > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/ContentAndRendering > > The second sentence is missing the word "of" between "types" and > "information" (Many writers use formatting to distinguish between > different types information ...). > > 2. On the "Dates and Times" page > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/DatesAndTimes > > The third sentence of the third paragraph of the "Absolute Times" > section is missing the "s" in the word "use" (For example, to ue > precision ...). > > Cheers, > > Malcolm. I've fixed the 2 typos you pointed out. Good catch :) Regards, Dan O'Brien From vnk at mkc.co.nz Mon Nov 26 18:28:17 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:28:17 +1300 Subject: AdminGuide - samba Message-ID: <474B1041.70509@mkc.co.nz> Hi list. I think I have completed samba section of the guide. I am re-checking it for technical correctness now but the page also needs word smithing and style edits for easier XML conversion, so please have a go at it. All going well, we might be able to include it in a pilot docbook conversion session (likely to happen this coming weekend?). Guide is at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer Thanks, Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Nov 27 07:43:24 2007 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:43:24 -0800 Subject: SIGs, projects, and leadership In-Reply-To: <1195673113.12502.47.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1195410522.5916.112.camel@erato.phig.org> <1195430687.2962.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1195673113.12502.47.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <474BCA9C.8000308@redhat.com> Karsten Wade said the following on 11/21/2007 11:25 AM Pacific Time: > On Mon, 2007-11-19 at 09:04 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > >> Can we have a calender to plan stuff similar to how packaging has a >> target of what needs to be done. The only difference for us is that we >> are dependent on other people in some parts of the docs areas. Plus a >> lot of the stuff that is created is a revolving calender. > > Yes, it's the project management where we are suffering over the years. > To be honest, I'm not as passionate about PM work, so I don't prioritize > it over other (fun!) stuff. > > Let's appeal to John Poelstra to work with us. Appeal accepted. Glad to help however I can :) > Is there anyone here who is interested in PM work, scheduling, and the > like? We could work with John to make up a Docs schedule that ties into > the overall schedule (like as a module). I just finished creating one (link posted in a separate thread) based on help from Paul F understanding the durations and other behind the scenes stuff which I think is better reflected in the schedule now--instead of a single milestone the incremental steps that lead up to it are also listed. John From vnk at mkc.co.nz Tue Nov 27 09:36:12 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:36:12 +1300 Subject: cron section Message-ID: <474BE50C.4040002@mkc.co.nz> Hi list. cron/anacron AdminGuide section: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/SchedulingTasks is complete, needs editors. Vladimir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It just needs to be fixed before publication, or its > inclusion deferred. For some reason I thought the entire guide had to be finished by the 25th of November, which is why I thought it would be best to do what I already knew. I should have time in the coming weeks to get my head around how red hat / fedora package bind, and be able to rewrite accordingly. There are fair few things to be changed, for example it seemed that rndc worked right after installing bind, without have to generate keys or edit named.conf - lots for me to learn... > Please remember, all, that one of Fedora's strong points is its robust > software management capability via RPM and yum. Any and all procedures > that you are writing for the AG need to use Fedora "best practices," > which include using yum to install and remove software. When we don't > use our own best practices in documentation, it sends a signal that (A) > best practices don't matter (bad!), or (B) we don't trust them (worse!). I'm a freak and have only *just* started using distribution packages for services. I'm not sure if it is because I don't trust the packages, but maybe because I was too lazy to have to re-learn how to do everything everytime I used a different distrubutions package for service . Also because I'm not use to it, I installed the Red Hat packages for bind and was amazed at all the configuration files it automatically created: db.this, db.that, named.foo, named.bar, and so on ;) I agree that they should 'yum install bind' instead of what I have written... > > As guide lead, Bart will undoubtedly be looking at these topics as we > prepare to go to "second-draft" phase (or whatever the next phase is). > > > Also, what is the policy on linking to external websites? I have a few > > links to other sites, such as http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns ... > > these sites may not be around as long as the guide though. > > I would think that external links need to satisfy some definition of > "authoritative," but I'm not sure what that definition entails. Linking > to Joe Public's home website that is a checklist of how to run DNS on > Gentoo is probably not a great choice. Linking to a website by a > recognized authority (such as a published author, e.g. the link you > provided above) is much better. > > > I have included a "references and thanks" section at the end. These > > were the books and resources I used when I wrote the original paper > > that I used for this guide, however that knowledge is now common to me > > - so are the links needed? I don't think there should be a list like > > this in an admin guide anyway...but I don't want to take credit for > > someone elses work. If it shouldn't be there (I'm not sure it needs to > > be since it is common knowledge to me now). > > > > Thanks for any help or suggestions. > > Bibliographic resources are great. They should be collected at the end > of the Administration Guide, set out by section per topic if necessary, > or simply note in a paragraph that the following resources pertained to > topic X. I think placing links at the end would be best. A lot of them pertain to multiple sections. Thanks for the feedback and advice. Regards, Murray. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 27 12:27:18 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:27:18 -0500 Subject: F9 draft TJ docs schedule In-Reply-To: <474BC8A3.4050602@redhat.com> References: <474BC8A3.4050602@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196166438.13740.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 23:34 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Here is a first shot at turning > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule into a full blown > schedule that can be integrated with the other groups > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/wip/f9-docs-team-2007-11-26.pdf > > There are still a few kinks to work out, but a majority of what is > there should be right :) Please let me know if there things that need > to be fixed or areas you would like to expand. > > If you'd like to track the different guides that are being worked on > for F9, we can create another section in the schedule for "guides" > along with their associated tasks and milestones... I believe someone > was looking to set some deadlines in another post. Holy task-tracking, Batman, this is cool! Now we just need this in a shared calendar that rings a big brass bell with popups on people's desktops when tasks need to get started/finished... Seriously, this looks like a major step forward, being able to see our work tracked in a timetable like this. Excellent, John! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:29:06 -0500 Subject: Admin Guide - managing disks In-Reply-To: <474C585F.1020306@mkc.co.nz> References: <474C585F.1020306@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1196188146.2138.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 06:48 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > Hi people. > > Admin guide lists two sections related to disk management: > > 1] Working with disks and removable storage: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Disks > > 2] Managing storage: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/ManagingStorage > > I reckon: > > * split ''1]'' and move ''working with disks'' to ''2]'' > * exclude ''removable storage'' - better suited for inclusion in DUG > * revise the structure of ''2]'' to include: > i. "classical" partitioning /w tools (fdisk, parted, mkfs) > ii. mounting, fstab > iii. software RAID > iv. LVM > v. disk quotas > > Does this sound like a (cunning) plan? We should encourage use of LVM. This is now anaconda installation default, but moreover it's a better choice by far when you're administering a system for service provision. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From vnk at mkc.co.nz Tue Nov 27 19:10:18 2007 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:10:18 +1300 Subject: Admin Guide - managing disks In-Reply-To: <1196188146.2138.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <474C585F.1020306@mkc.co.nz> <1196188146.2138.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <474C6B9A.6000408@mkc.co.nz> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 06:48 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: >> Hi people. >> >> Admin guide lists two sections related to disk management: >> >> 1] Working with disks and removable storage: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Disks >> >> 2] Managing storage: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/ManagingStorage >> >> I reckon: >> >> * split ''1]'' and move ''working with disks'' to ''2]'' >> * exclude ''removable storage'' - better suited for inclusion in DUG >> * revise the structure of ''2]'' to include: >> i. "classical" partitioning /w tools (fdisk, parted, mkfs) >> ii. mounting, fstab >> iii. software RAID >> iv. LVM >> v. disk quotas >> >> Does this sound like a (cunning) plan? > > We should encourage use of LVM. This is now anaconda installation > default, but moreover it's a better choice by far when you're > administering a system for service provision. > Yes, that's the idea - my plan is to write pretty comprehensive LVM subsection (iv). I also want to include all this other stuff (not so extensively), mostly as a background info and an aid to better understanding of the LVM concept. I've found this more than useful when introducing people to LVM. Vladimir > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since the guide should be reader friendly and must include all >>> necessary information, please submit a bug when you find anything >>> missing and/or anything wrong. >>> >> >> Can we now redirect /wiki/L10N/Join to this doc instead of having them >> both? >> >> -d >> >> >> >> > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 29 01:46:30 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:46:30 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 01:53 -0500, Thomas Fitzsimmons wrote: > Hi Karsten, > > Good news: we've finally got Apache FOP and all its dependencies in > Rawhide. We're testing building the GNOME HIG 2.0 document now -- there > are some wrinkles to iron out, but I wanted to let you know right away > in case you wanted to run some smoke tests of your own. Unleash the flying monkeys! I'll see about getting a Rawhide instance going in the next few weeks for testing. Hereby letting all others interested in quality PDF production from DocBook, here's a way to lend a hand - test the new FOP build. - Karsten > Tom > email message attachment (fop built.eml) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Lillian Angel > > To: Thomas Fitzsimmons > > Subject: fop built > > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:51:16 -0500 > > -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hereby letting all others interested in quality PDF > production from DocBook, here's a way to lend a hand - test the new FOP > build. I would appreciate any instructions on how to do this. Rahul From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 13:00:08 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:00:08 +0300 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> On Nov 29, 2007 2:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 01:53 -0500, Thomas Fitzsimmons wrote: > >> Hi Karsten, > >> > >> Good news: we've finally got Apache FOP and all its dependencies in > >> Rawhide. We're testing building the GNOME HIG 2.0 document now -- there > >> are some wrinkles to iron out, but I wanted to let you know right away > >> in case you wanted to run some smoke tests of your own. > > > > Unleash the flying monkeys! > > > > I'll see about getting a Rawhide instance going in the next few weeks > > for testing. Hereby letting all others interested in quality PDF > > production from DocBook, here's a way to lend a hand - test the new FOP > > build. > > I would appreciate any instructions on how to do this. > This is great news... Let me know when it's ready for testing. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 29 16:24:56 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:24:56 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 16:00 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Nov 29, 2007 2:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 01:53 -0500, Thomas Fitzsimmons wrote: > > >> Hi Karsten, > > >> > > >> Good news: we've finally got Apache FOP and all its dependencies in > > >> Rawhide. We're testing building the GNOME HIG 2.0 document now -- there > > >> are some wrinkles to iron out, but I wanted to let you know right away > > >> in case you wanted to run some smoke tests of your own. > > > > > > Unleash the flying monkeys! > > > > > > I'll see about getting a Rawhide instance going in the next few weeks > > > for testing. Hereby letting all others interested in quality PDF > > > production from DocBook, here's a way to lend a hand - test the new FOP > > > build. > > > > I would appreciate any instructions on how to do this. > > > This is great news... > > Let me know when it's ready for testing. It's in the repos now, so you should be able to just set up a Rawhide box (virt or otherwise), install the "fop" package, and go to town. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 29 19:07:54 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:07:54 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1196363274.7717.50.camel@erato.phig.org> On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 11:24 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > It's in the repos now, so you should be able to just set up a Rawhide > box (virt or otherwise), install the "fop" package, and go to town. OK, here's the moment where we have to acknowledge the manual situation here. We can't use our current toolchain as it stands because 'xmlto' doesn't support FOP. I've just requested that Tommy's way old patch be renewed and applied: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=147472 That would allow us to use our toolchain with rawhide to test the full stack. Otherwise, we need to process manually, and, uh ... I'm forgetting how to do that. Anyone know how, off-hand? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From noriko at redhat.com Fri Nov 30 00:13:30 2007 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:13:30 +1000 Subject: Request to withdraw outdated tqsg translated version Message-ID: <474F55AA.5090904@redhat.com> Hi Paul and docs team As you already noticed, we translators aggressively have started translation of TQSG. However there are several languages which have not been yet completed their update. For example, clicking 'Japanese' results showing old version, but new translator may not know that it is old. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ So could you kindly withdraw old version from the above tentatively till fully updated translation is committed? Thanks noriko From jfearn at redhat.com Fri Nov 30 01:12:58 2007 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:12:58 +1000 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <1196363274.7717.50.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196363274.7717.50.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <474F639A.1020204@redhat.com> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 11:24 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >> It's in the repos now, so you should be able to just set up a Rawhide >> box (virt or otherwise), install the "fop" package, and go to town. >> > > OK, here's the moment where we have to acknowledge the manual situation > here. We can't use our current toolchain as it stands because 'xmlto' > doesn't support FOP. > > I've just requested that Tommy's way old patch be renewed and applied: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=147472 > > That would allow us to use our toolchain with rawhide to test the full > stack. > > Otherwise, we need to process manually, and, uh ... I'm forgetting how > to do that. Anyone know how, off-hand? > > - Karsten > The basics are: xmlto fo Book.xml fop -fo Book.fo -pdf Book.pdf Limitations of this approach: xmlto doesn't allow you to pass useful parameters to xsltproc The default DocBook style sheets produce ugly PDFs Cheers, Jeff. -- Jeff Fearn Software Engineer Engineering Operations Red Hat, Inc From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 12:50:24 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:24 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <474F639A.1020204@redhat.com> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196363274.7717.50.camel@erato.phig.org> <474F639A.1020204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196427024.18165.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:12 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 11:24 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > >> It's in the repos now, so you should be able to just set up a Rawhide > >> box (virt or otherwise), install the "fop" package, and go to town. > >> > > > > OK, here's the moment where we have to acknowledge the manual situation > > here. We can't use our current toolchain as it stands because 'xmlto' > > doesn't support FOP. > > > > I've just requested that Tommy's way old patch be renewed and applied: > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=147472 > > > > That would allow us to use our toolchain with rawhide to test the full > > stack. > > > > Otherwise, we need to process manually, and, uh ... I'm forgetting how > > to do that. Anyone know how, off-hand? > > > > - Karsten > > > The basics are: > > xmlto fo Book.xml > fop -fo Book.fo -pdf Book.pdf > > Limitations of this approach: > > xmlto doesn't allow you to pass useful parameters to xsltproc > The default DocBook style sheets produce ugly PDFs ISTR using the xmlto "-m" option to provide some parameter tweaking via XSL. It's certainly not as simple as using the xsltproc "--param" or "--stringparam" options, but it might get one by in a pinch. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 30 12:54:52 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:54:52 -0500 Subject: Request to withdraw outdated tqsg translated version In-Reply-To: <474F55AA.5090904@redhat.com> References: <474F55AA.5090904@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1196427292.18165.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 10:13 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hi Paul and docs team > > As you already noticed, we translators aggressively have started > translation of TQSG. However there are several languages which have not > been yet completed their update. For example, clicking 'Japanese' > results showing old version, but new translator may not know that it is old. > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ > > So could you kindly withdraw old version from the above tentatively till > fully updated translation is committed? I wonder if it might make sense to have some sort of notice on the index page stating what the current released version is, to avoid confusion. However, that wouldn't be as much help if someone links directly to a locale-specific document. In other words, we could put a notice here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/index.html But if someone linked to: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ja/index.html ...they'd never see the notice. Probably still worthwhile, I would think. I'm not too keen on constantly removing and adding documents from CVS, which could end up being a maintenance nightmare, not to mention a major abuse of SCM functionality. Does anyone have some better ideas for marking these documents to make sure that readers know they're looking at something out of date? /me notes ruefully that this would probably be easy in Plone. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 30 18:10:10 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:10:10 -0800 Subject: Request to withdraw outdated tqsg translated version In-Reply-To: <1196427292.18165.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <474F55AA.5090904@redhat.com> <1196427292.18165.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1196446210.26101.19.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 07:54 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I wonder if it might make sense to have some sort of notice on the index > page stating what the current released version is, to avoid confusion. > However, that wouldn't be as much help if someone links directly to a > locale-specific document. In other words, we could put a notice here: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/index.html > > But if someone linked to: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ja/index.html > > ...they'd never see the notice. Probably still worthwhile, I would > think. > > I'm not too keen on constantly removing and adding documents from CVS, > which could end up being a maintenance nightmare, not to mention a major > abuse of SCM functionality. Does anyone have some better ideas for > marking these documents to make sure that readers know they're looking > at something out of date? Two thoughts: 1. Put a notice onthe t-q-s-g/index.html that says what is updated and what is not; 1.1 Put a similar notice on the top of all translated guides that refers to the canonical index.html as a reference to see what is up-to-date of translations 1.2 This is a manual process, so sucks for that. 1.3 This could be applied to other translated documents. 2. Another manual process would be to populate all out-of-date translations with a watermark image "Translation Out of Date" 2.1 This could be made automagic, that is, when the POT file in CVS is changed for a guide, all translated guides get the watermark until the corresponding PO file is updated. > /me notes ruefully that this would probably be easy in Plone. Most likely, since this is an essential CMS need. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Fri Nov 30 18:42:36 2007 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:42:36 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: fop built] In-Reply-To: <1196427024.18165.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <474D1082.8040809@redhat.com> <1196300790.6350.1.camel@erato.phig.org> <474E9F6E.1000701@fedoraproject.org> <9d2c731f0711290500ne906cdfn8f7b7268d010f345@mail.gmail.com> <1196353496.9280.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1196363274.7717.50.camel@erato.phig.org> <474F639A.1020204@redhat.com> <1196427024.18165.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20071130124236.51886d85.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > On Fri, 2007-11-30 at 11:12 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > > Karsten Wade wrote: > > > On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 11:24 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >> It's in the repos now, so you should be able to just set up a Rawhide > > >> box (virt or otherwise), install the "fop" package, and go to town. > > > I've just requested that Tommy's way old patch be renewed and applied: > > > That would allow us to use our toolchain with rawhide to test the full > > > stack. > > > Otherwise, we need to process manually, and, uh ... I'm forgetting how > > > to do that. Anyone know how, off-hand? > > The basics are: > > xmlto fo Book.xml > > fop -fo Book.fo -pdf Book.pdf > > Limitations of this approach: > > xmlto doesn't allow you to pass useful parameters to xsltproc > > The default DocBook style sheets produce ugly PDFs > ISTR using the xmlto "-m" option to provide some parameter tweaking via > XSL. It's certainly not as simple as using the xsltproc "--param" or > "--stringparam" options, but it might get one by in a pinch. You should be able to use the ${XSLT_PROCESSOR} environment variable to invoke a short shell script that does what you want. Cheers -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Nov 30 22:35:22 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:35:22 -0600 Subject: The Great Content Migration Message-ID: <4750902A.5010205@redhat.com> (sent to both docs and websites, though not cross posted) Now that F8 shipped and F9 is on the horizon, its time to look at moving some more of that content out of the wiki and either into docs.fedoraproject.org and fedoraproject.org. This won't be a fun task. Pros: 1) We'll have more control and process around the content that goes to these sites. This allows us to make it more 'official'. 2) It will be more easily translatable. 3) Less reliance on Moin Cons: 1) It raises the barrier to create these pages 2) It adds more process 3) Its difficult to determine what content belongs where. I've created an initial http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Removables page for stuff thats in the wiki that is a good candidate for the static content. The trick here is that, and lets be honest, much of what is on the wiki right now is garbage. This is especially true with regards to our end users. I think focus on fp.o should be on consolidation. Users have short attention spans, so less is more. If we find the need to have a higher-detail document, it should probably be in the docs realm and use its processes. What do you guys think? -Mike