From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 1 18:44:37 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:44:37 -0400 Subject: Docs Beat for Fedora Weekly News Message-ID: <1188672277.4146.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jonathan Roberts posted to fedora-news-list[1] that he is unable to continue working on the Docs beat for the FWN. If you are lurking on this list and don't mind summarizing the very small number of threads on this list weekly for the FWN, please contact Thomas Chung and the fedora-news-list to sign up for this work. It does not demand a huge amount of time and is well within the abilities of any contributor, even one for whom English is not a native language. [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2007-August/msg00066.html -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sociosdenegocios at gerdesconsultores.com.ar Mon Sep 3 05:05:46 2007 From: sociosdenegocios at gerdesconsultores.com.ar (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Centro_de_Atenci=F3n_a_Socios_de_Negocios?=) Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 02:05:46 -0300 Subject: Fedora docs translations In-Reply-To: <1188499693.3652.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1188499693.3652.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <002901c7ede8$22e35d70$68aa1850$@com.ar> Dear Paul: My name is Eduardo D. Gerdes, I live in Argentina. English is like my native language. I have the Dutch nationality and I used to work for MSN and XBOX 360 for customers in the States and Canada. I used to work for HP Argentina too and other companies... I'm 36 years old and I work with computers since 19 years ago. After this short presentation, let me tell you I signed up for translating documents from English to Spanish. Not too many because of my job. I don't have too much time. I'm not able to check code. I'm a novice with Linux and programming code. But I'm able to help translating for the moment. I also have Technical English knowledge. I don't know where to start or where can I find documents to start. I only know that I'm receiving your emails and that?s why I'm sending you this mail. To finish my presentation, let me tell you I'm Oracle 9i junior administrator, I'm studying Linux Administration II, I work as a Consulting Agent, and, (guacala) I'm a Microsoft Business Partner. I'm beta tester for Microsoft too. Well, that?s all I can say about me. I'll keep waiting for information about how can I start helping. Sincerilly your's... Eduardo D. Gerdes Consultor Eduardo Gerdes Consultor?a Inform?tica TE: 15-6278-0242 http://www.gerdesconsultores.com.ar http://www.greenpeace.org.ar From richard.bukovansky at atlas.cz Mon Sep 3 08:54:37 2007 From: richard.bukovansky at atlas.cz (Bukovansky Richard) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:54:37 +0200 Subject: Docs Beat for Fedora Weekly News In-Reply-To: <1188672277.4146.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1188672277.4146.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46DBCBCD.7060004@atlas.cz> Paul W. Frields napsal(a): > Jonathan Roberts posted to fedora-news-list[1] that he is unable to > continue working on the Docs beat for the FWN. If you are lurking on > this list and don't mind summarizing the very small number of threads on > this list weekly for the FWN, please contact Thomas Chung and the > fedora-news-list to sign up for this work. It does not demand a huge > amount of time and is well within the abilities of any contributor, even > one for whom English is not a native language. > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2007-August/msg00066.html As I'm translating FWN to Czech, I will take the time the FWN is "on holiday" to learn how to do these Beats if anyone would give me brief overview and "help-hand". Thank you. -- Bukovansky Richard richard.bukovansky at atlas.cz From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 3 15:30:09 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 11:30:09 -0400 Subject: Fedora docs translations In-Reply-To: <002901c7ede8$22e35d70$68aa1850$@com.ar> References: <1188499693.3652.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> <002901c7ede8$22e35d70$68aa1850$@com.ar> Message-ID: <1188833409.3302.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 02:05 -0300, Centro de Atenci?n a Socios de Negocios wrote: > Dear Paul: > > My name is Eduardo D. Gerdes, I live in Argentina. English is like my native > language. I have the Dutch nationality and I used to work for MSN and XBOX > 360 for customers in the States and Canada. I used to work for HP Argentina > too and other companies... I'm 36 years old and I work with computers since > 19 years ago. > > After this short presentation, let me tell you I signed up for translating > documents from English to Spanish. Not too many because of my job. I don't > have too much time. I'm not able to check code. I'm a novice with Linux and > programming code. But I'm able to help translating for the moment. I also > have Technical English knowledge. > > I don't know where to start or where can I find documents to start. I only > know that I'm receiving your emails and that?s why I'm sending you this > mail. To finish my presentation, let me tell you I'm Oracle 9i junior > administrator, I'm studying Linux Administration II, I work as a Consulting > Agent, and, (guacala) I'm a Microsoft Business Partner. I'm beta tester for > Microsoft too. Well, that?s all I can say about me. I'll keep waiting for > information about how can I start helping. As a translator, you'll probably find helpful information here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N There is information on how to translate Fedora materials using Windows here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-windows/ There is information on how to translate Fedora materials using Linux here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/ You will probably want to join the fedora-trans-list (for translators) so you can ask questions about translation: http://redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list/ Good luck and please check back if you have more questions. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From tchung at fedoraproject.org Tue Sep 4 01:09:59 2007 From: tchung at fedoraproject.org (Thomas Chung) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:09:59 +0800 Subject: Docs Beat for Fedora Weekly News In-Reply-To: <46DBCBCD.7060004@atlas.cz> References: <1188672277.4146.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46DBCBCD.7060004@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <369bce3b0709031809t6e3ccb16yfab4f6dd049f76a8@mail.gmail.com> On 9/3/07, Bukovansky Richard wrote: > Paul W. Frields napsal(a): > > Jonathan Roberts posted to fedora-news-list[1] that he is unable to > > continue working on the Docs beat for the FWN. If you are lurking on > > this list and don't mind summarizing the very small number of threads on > > this list weekly for the FWN, please contact Thomas Chung and the > > fedora-news-list to sign up for this work. It does not demand a huge > > amount of time and is well within the abilities of any contributor, even > > one for whom English is not a native language. > > > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-news-list/2007-August/msg00066.html > > As I'm translating FWN to Czech, I will take the time the FWN is "on > holiday" to learn how to do these Beats if anyone would give me brief > overview and "help-hand". > > Thank you. > > -- > Bukovansky Richard > richard.bukovansky at atlas.cz Thank you for volunteering. Please contact me after Sept 21 and I'll tell how you can join the team. In the mean time, please try summarizing fedora-docs-list for a week for practice. :) Regards, -- Thomas Chung http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ThomasChung ps. I'm on vacation until Sept 21 From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 4 07:10:36 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:10:36 +0300 Subject: More Food for Thought Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709040010n4ff9f2aavc9f3313101186a16@mail.gmail.com> FDP Volunteers: Here is a recent article addressing linux documentation, which offers some food for thought: http://www.lockergnome.com/nexus/it/2007/09/03/poor-community-advice-is-no-substitute-for-linux-documentation/ Here is an excerpt: "Wiki-styled pages are great for those who enjoy opening one tabbed page after another just for a concise how-to, but for most people, Wiki's are best for learning about single topics, not for complete documentation. At the end of the day, it will be up to the community and the people who work hard to put this documentation together in the first place. What I feel is helpful may not be for others who share considerably different opinion on how to best present documentation to Linux users as a collective, not as separate groups of new and advanced users." John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 4 14:48:36 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:48:36 -0700 Subject: meeting/no meeting? status via email Message-ID: <1188917316.3420.57.camel@erato.phig.org> I can only attend about 30 minutes of the meeting time today. We can skip meeting, I think, as long as we make sure to provide updates to the list of what is going on: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda Sync-up with current state of F8 release * one-sheet release notes * beats * IG Also, for those who don't keep up with fedora-advisory-board, there is a change planned for the default Web browser start page that may land in F8 test2. I'm hoping we can salvage much of what is needed from the current 'homepage' module, including translations. I'll send more information as it arrives. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.fedorapeople.org | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 16:11:27 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:11:27 -0400 Subject: guess I need to seek an invitation to join the DocWritersGroup? In-Reply-To: <771ef40c0709030534h7c8541b7lb43f438835cd5fad@mail.gmail.com> References: <771ef40c0709030534h7c8541b7lb43f438835cd5fad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189095087.15955.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Nelson gave me permission to repost this to the list. We'd like to keep as many discussions public as possible, so that everyone can benefit from them. On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 08:34 -0400, Nelson Strother wrote: > First, as a word of introduction and thanks, I appreciate the > work you invested in making > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/LiveOS_README > into a form that may lead to it actually appearing on the LiveCDs. Thank you for writing the initial material! > So I finally have an initial draft completed for a WiFiNetworking > manual, similar to what I had envisioned in the posting: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2007-July/msg03209.html > But when I start to create the page: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WiFiNetworking > I discover one would need to be in the DocWritersGroup (instead of > the mere EditGroup) to do that. That's weird -- there's an ACL on Docs/Drafts allowing anyone to read and write pages under that hierarchy. Can anyone else test or comment? > From the viewpoint of browsing the web, > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WiFiNetworking > seems like the natural place for this collection of information, but > then it appears only a couple of dozen of us can edit the page. I had > naively thought I would be inviting the hundreds or more folks who can > make changes anywhere in this wiki to assist in fleshing out and > correcting this initial draft, but that would imply placing it in some > random disconnected place such as: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WiFiNetworking > Interesting tradeoff, but I suspect there may be tales of document > corruption that led to this structure. > > So I am open to your advice, or eager to learn if you can assist > me in joining DocWritersGroup so I can post this draft document. I've added you to the DocWritersGroup, but you're right, that should not have been necessary. We want to encourage new contributors to draft documents at their own convenience under the Docs/Drafts/ namespace. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 16:30:36 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: status of sudo-tutorial.xml ? In-Reply-To: <771ef40c0709030606p5fb06a75s7c5faec564aaf1d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <771ef40c0709030606p5fb06a75s7c5faec564aaf1d9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189096236.15955.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Another repost by permission of the author. On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 09:06 -0400, Nelson Strother wrote: > If you will forgive me for cluttering your mailbox more, I will go > ahead and pose a question now that I had planned to ask once the > WiFiNetworking manual was posted. > > I ask you these questions since > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/sudo-tutorial/en_US/rpm-info.xml?root=docs&view=markup > shows , even though > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/EditorAssignments?highlight=%28sudo%29 > shows Editor: UNASSIGNED. > > Might you be able to share some history? Is there a licensing > issue, political issue, or just author distraction from completing a > draft? (In my limited experience it is unusual to see what appears to > be the most accessible and current draft document hosted somewhere > other than fedoraproject.org.) Yes, section 4 is yet incomplete, but > the preamble and postlude would lead one to expect a complete and > high-quality section 4. > > In the current draft of the WiFiNetworking manual I do reference > this sudo document, but that may be a bad idea if you believe it will > remain incomplete for additional years or forever. The Docs Project has continually struggled with the amount of process for our documentation work. Too much process and the contributors are strangled by bureaucracy; too little and we lose track of work done and work remaining. We already have an owners/ module in CVS for recording responsible parties, and I would think we should not need to track editor assignments for wiki documents, since we want community editors to pitch in at will with no barriers to momentum. When documents are due for conversion to official status, the owners/owners.list file should be sufficient to track them. All of this has nothing to do with the specific document in question. As shown in the rpm-info.xml metadata[1], apparently I did some editing on this document and never finished it entirely. If you'd like to refer to it, I can definitely get back into it and do some more work. (It would be nice if we had editorially-minded folks who were interested in taking up this task, since I have rather a lot on my plate with release < 2 months out!) :-) Rest assured no other issues exist other than time and resources. If you're so inclined, perhaps you'd like to learn enough CVS skills to edit the document in place according to our style guidelines[2]? As always, we remain eager and ready to help you here or on IRC at Freenode, #fedora-docs. = = = [1] http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/sudo-tutorial/en_US/rpm-info.xml?root=docs&view-markup [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 16:24:33 2007 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:24:33 +0800 Subject: Hi, have you finished your registration to fedora account system? In-Reply-To: <916522.67212.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <76e72f800709042257q728ab55dha3556a8e95eda9e5@mail.gmail.com> <916522.67212.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <76e72f800709070924s233c5f9ase0cf46a5bf94d712@mail.gmail.com> 2007/9/7, Sam Chen : > ???????????????????????????_?????????????????????????????? Paul W. > Frields > ?o?????????????????o???????Y??????????CLA???? 6?4?????????????????????????N???x?x???? > > Sam > > --- Yuan Yijun wrote: > > > Hi, Sam > > > > ???????????????????????????? fedora ?????????????????? ID > > dreamcar???????????(c)?? CLA???????????????????????????? > > > > ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? wiki > > ???????????????????????(c)?????? > > > > ???? > > > > Hi, Sam As you can see, google or yahoo mail (or both) is too bad.. maybe we should use RTF format instead of plain text when writing email in Chinese? I can see that you have signed the CLA, thank godness. Now you can first edit your own WikiName page at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ShenenChen I also have added your name to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/Contributors . Please feel free to write new documents or translate. Two things to note: * The document is translated in CVS in po format, not on the wiki, so you should request for a cvsl10n workgroup access. After that, visit http://translate.fedoraproject.org for modules need translating. * To write new documents, a useful practice is to edit new document drafts first under one's WikiName, then move it to formal names. For example, the FAQ is first edited as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WaltPu/draft/FAQ , then moved to $zh CN/Docs/Drafts/FAQ (omitted the starting Url), and it will be moved to $zh_CN/Docs/FAQ eventually. Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^ From xunilarodef at gmail.com Sun Sep 9 06:20:38 2007 From: xunilarodef at gmail.com (Nelson Strother) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 02:20:38 -0400 Subject: guess I need to seek an invitation to join the DocWritersGroup? Message-ID: <771ef40c0709082320r2ae9035ao5f3c258185ca2291@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:11:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2007-09-03 at 08:34 -0400, Nelson Strother wrote: >> But when I start to create the page: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WiFiNetworking >> I discover one would need to be in the DocWritersGroup (instead of >> the mere EditGroup) to do that. > That's weird -- there's an ACL on Docs/Drafts allowing anyone to read > and write pages under that hierarchy. Can anyone else test or comment? For the benefit of any readers here who are not also subscribed to the page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts I found that even after being added to the DocWritersGroup, my attempt to edit was still rewarded with: You are not allowed to edit this page. So after a bit of investigation, I found an explanation and posted it on that page as: Everything in this section is editable by users in the EditGroup, once you allow your web browser to accept cookies from fedoraproject.org. in place of the previous "... editable by the DocWritersGroup." Karsten Wade subsequently commented: The cookies are a global requirement for the entire Wiki. as he made the explanation more concise by removing any mention of the cookie. Well, an even better way to help users would be to improve the error message so that it informs one: You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to accept a cookie from this site so that your editing privilege is recognized. But it appears this error message arises from the heart of MoinMoin in /moin-1.5.8/MoinMoin/PageEditor.py where the logic does not separate the case of concern here from others where the appropriate error messages might resemble: You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to login to this site so that your editing privilege is recognized. You are not allowed to edit this page, or you need to create an account at this site so that you can login and seek editing privileges. Since these changes could not be made in a fedoraproject.org specific configuration file, and are somewhat non-trivial to ask of MoinMoin, I suspect we should accept this catch-all error message as immutable. So, I invite you to point out where we document the need to allow a cookie from fedoraproject.org to be set? Using the Search box for "cookie" in any Text finds nothing more pertinent than the indirect implication a careful reader might find at the bottom of their UserPreferences page. But a user who is not a CookieMonster may read this and think "What cookie?" because their browser is not configured to accept cookies in general. I've learned this lesson for the second time in several months (and have a reminder that may assist my memory the next time my browser configuration is mistakenly trashed). We do not care about the frustration this lack of documentation causes for all first-time members of the EditGroup who are not also CookieMonsters? > I've added you to the DocWritersGroup, but you're right, that should not > have been necessary. If Paul or anyone else has a moment to demote me so that I am no longer a member of the DocWritersGroup that would allow me to be certain that the theory behind the current statement ("editable by all users in the EditGroup") is indeed accurate. Cheers, Nelson From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 00:31:43 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:31:43 -0400 Subject: guess I need to seek an invitation to join the DocWritersGroup? In-Reply-To: <771ef40c0709082320r2ae9035ao5f3c258185ca2291@mail.gmail.com> References: <771ef40c0709082320r2ae9035ao5f3c258185ca2291@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189470703.7222.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-09 at 02:20 -0400, Nelson Strother wrote: > If Paul or anyone else has a moment to demote me so that I am no > longer a member of the DocWritersGroup that would allow me to be > certain that the theory behind the current statement ("editable by all > users in the EditGroup") is indeed accurate. Done. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:35:53 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:35:53 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Richard Bukovansky In-Reply-To: <46D33A28.9060009@atlas.cz> References: <46D33A28.9060009@atlas.cz> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709110735w74ddcc18kfbf99306337a35b6@mail.gmail.com> Richard: V?tejte!* Welcome! Sorry for the delay in responding. Thanks for your interest in the Fedora Docs Project. I have been involved in starting a Fedora presence at GITEX in Dubai and I'm happy to say that it went well. I have a personal interest in seeing documentation improved in the Czech language as I have relatives living in Prague, although I've never had the pleasure of visiting the Czech Republic. So, welcome aboard. We have an IRC meeting tonight (Tuesday, 11 September) at 1600 Hours GMT. Feel free to stop by around that time and introduce yourself. We'll be on #fedora-docs channel on the Freenode IRC network. If you're not familiar with IRC, check out http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate for directions. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project (*) I am not fluent in Czech, but am learning, courtesy of Google. From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:42:09 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:42:09 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ravi Sagar In-Reply-To: <9ef639d90708272110t557f2816naf11eeb9ee08caf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ef639d90708272110t557f2816naf11eeb9ee08caf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709110742h60b7be3fx5b0d83e8495e17bb@mail.gmail.com> Ravi: Welcome! Thank for your interest in the Fedora Documentation Project. I apologize for the long time in replying. I was involved with starting a Fedora presence at GITEX, which was very successful. Please stop by the #fedora-docs IRC channel on the freenode IRC network today around 1600 hours UTC, as we have a steering committee meeting scheduled for that time each Tuesday night. If you are not familiar with IRC, please refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate for directions. Looking forward to hearing from you. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 14:49:50 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:49:50 +0300 Subject: Self Introduction: Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier In-Reply-To: <1189517088.4383.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189517088.4383.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709110749v4b526b86xd9f78596859ae55@mail.gmail.com> Mike: Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! There is a steering committee meeting scheduled for today at 1600 hours GMT on the Freenode IRC network on the #fedora-docs channel. Feel free to stop by around that time and introduce yourself. I have been involved in producing the Desktop Users Guide and, quite frankly, became overwhelmed with the wealth of choices available with Fedora 7. I am giving it another go with the Fedora 8 release and welcome your help. Please keep in touch and let me know any way I can help you get started. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Sep 11 15:04:20 2007 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:04:20 +0100 Subject: Overwhelmed WAS Re: Self Introduction: Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier Message-ID: <3263b11b0709110804n3504ef2cs9ec04f0e0fb550df@mail.gmail.com> > I have been involved in producing the Desktop Users Guide and, quite > frankly, became overwhelmed with the wealth of choices available with Fedora > 7. Maybe if this was the case it might be worth considering another approach? Best wishes, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 11 15:06:11 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:06:11 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709110749v4b526b86xd9f78596859ae55@mail.gmail.com> References: <1189517088.4383.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0709110749v4b526b86xd9f78596859ae55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189523171.7222.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 17:49 +0300, John Babich wrote: > Mike: > > Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! > > There is a steering committee meeting scheduled for today at 1600 > hours GMT on the Freenode IRC network on the #fedora-docs channel. > > Feel free to stop by around that time and introduce yourself. > > I have been involved in producing the Desktop Users Guide and, quite > frankly, became overwhelmed with the wealth of choices available with > Fedora 7. I for one appreciate your honesty here. This is why I think it's a good idea to have the Fedora (D)UG concentrate for now on solutions using only the default installation case, and avoid repeating material already found in the GNOME Desktop User Guide (which you will find on your system on the entry screen of the Help browser). The more duplication of effort writers can avoid, the faster the work will go and the more likely they will actually achieve the goal of finishing the guide. > I am giving it another go with the Fedora 8 release and welcome your > help. > > Please keep in touch and let me know any way I can help you get > started. I helped Mike a little with his CVS access a bit earlier this morning but asked that he bring issues here to the list. We need to spur some activity and he may end up helping other lurkers get their unstated questions answered. Nice to meet you Mike! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at vegasitpros.com Tue Sep 11 15:34:41 2007 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:34:41 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier In-Reply-To: <1189523171.7222.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189517088.4383.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0709110749v4b526b86xd9f78596859ae55@mail.gmail.com> <1189523171.7222.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1189524881.19850.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 11:06 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 17:49 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > Mike: > > > > Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! > > > > There is a steering committee meeting scheduled for today at 1600 > > hours GMT on the Freenode IRC network on the #fedora-docs channel. > > > > Feel free to stop by around that time and introduce yourself. > > > > I have been involved in producing the Desktop Users Guide and, quite > > frankly, became overwhelmed with the wealth of choices available with > > Fedora 7. > > I for one appreciate your honesty here. This is why I think it's a good > idea to have the Fedora (D)UG concentrate for now on solutions using > only the default installation case, and avoid repeating material already > found in the GNOME Desktop User Guide (which you will find on your > system on the entry screen of the Help browser). The more duplication > of effort writers can avoid, the faster the work will go and the more > likely they will actually achieve the goal of finishing the guide. > > > I am giving it another go with the Fedora 8 release and welcome your > > help. > > > > Please keep in touch and let me know any way I can help you get > > started. > > I helped Mike a little with his CVS access a bit earlier this morning > but asked that he bring issues here to the list. We need to spur some > activity and he may end up helping other lurkers get their unstated > questions answered. Nice to meet you Mike! > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list Ok, I'm ready to go! Thanks for your help this morning Paul. I now have my local sandbox setup, XMMind Pro installed, and my keyboard is afire wit activity... 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Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Fri Sep 14 08:36:18 2007 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:36:18 -0700 Subject: release notes In-Reply-To: <46EA1509.6080904@fedoraproject.org> References: <46EA1509.6080904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1189758979.3212.76.camel@erato.phig.org> On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 10:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Fedora/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html > > We should stop distributing the older release notes with test releases. > It's very confusing. I'm confused. I thought we replaced that with a link to or copy of the one-sheet, for tests 1 and 2? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Sep 14 08:33:58 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:58 +0530 Subject: release notes In-Reply-To: <1189758979.3212.76.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <46EA1509.6080904@fedoraproject.org> <1189758979.3212.76.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <46EA4776.9030602@fedoraproject.org> Karsten Wade wrote: > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 10:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Fedora/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html >> >> We should stop distributing the older release notes with test releases. >> It's very confusing. > > I'm confused. I thought we replaced that with a link to or copy of the > one-sheet, for tests 1 and 2? We did but we are also continuing to ship the in-distribution version of the older release notes for the test releases. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 14 12:44:55 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:44:55 -0400 Subject: release notes In-Reply-To: <46EA4776.9030602@fedoraproject.org> References: <46EA1509.6080904@fedoraproject.org> <1189758979.3212.76.camel@erato.phig.org> <46EA4776.9030602@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1189773895.3782.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 14:03 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-09-14 at 10:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/7.91/Fedora/i386/os/RELEASE-NOTES-en_US.html > >> > >> We should stop distributing the older release notes with test releases. > >> It's very confusing. > > > > I'm confused. I thought we replaced that with a link to or copy of the > > one-sheet, for tests 1 and 2? > > We did but we are also continuing to ship the in-distribution version of > the older release notes for the test releases. I agree. However, this requires figuring out how to do this without turning over a huge amount of strings for translators. It should be possible to have a customized make target for test releases that uses an alternate XML source, with some filler content such as a link to the test release notes on the wiki. Since the next release will be "real" release notes, we should try to hit this post-F8 GA. It would be nice if "we" had some help doing this. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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GPG: [rutu at ruturaj-vartak ~]$ gpg --fingerprint EEB367AB pub 1024D/EEB367AB 2007-09-15 Key fingerprint = F607 7D71 76BC C48E 572C 16BD C551 5FC6 EEB3 67AB uid Ruturaj Vartak sub 2048g/AF90F4B9 2007-09-15 -- regards, Ruturaj K. Vartak ______________________________ http://www.ruturaj.net http://ruturajv.wordpress.com ?????????????????????????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 13:59:31 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:59:31 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Ruturaj K. Vartak In-Reply-To: <75a9cec80709150007y791dea93u1b0cde0a7607888f@mail.gmail.com> References: <75a9cec80709150007y791dea93u1b0cde0a7607888f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1189864771.15162.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 12:37 +0530, Ruturaj wrote: > Hi, > > Name: Ruturaj Kumar Vartak Hi Ruturaj, We're glad to have you working on the team. I look forward to seeing and publishing your work. If you have questions about translation procedures, you can use fedora-trans-list, or if you have documentation specific questions, this is the right place. We are about to ship Fedora 8 release notes POT, and the Installation Guide POT shortly after that, so you're here at a good time! The release notes work is cosiderable, but the translation teams seem to do a miraculous job of getthing the translations done in time for release. We hope to add Hindi to our list this time around if your team can get it done! The schedule for Docs is listed at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule -- but we are a few days late for our POT drop, and trying to make up for it now. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 15 18:10:15 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:10:15 -0400 Subject: Release Notes for F8 - first POT drop Message-ID: <1189879815.15162.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Greetings L10N folk! Due to scarce personnel resources we are running a couple of days behind our schedule[1] for the Docs Project. However, I am getting the Release Notes ready for a POT drop today. Although the schedule currently has a "deadline" of 23 September, we will be extending this until about 26 September (2007-09-26). However, please keep in mind that your team does *NOT* need to complete ALL work by that date. Due to last-minute bug fixes and other errata, you can expect a few string changes over the next few weeks, although we will strive to keep them to an absolute minimum. You will need to complete all work by the listed date of 21 October (2007-10-21), subject to change if there are slips affecting the overall release schedule[2]. In the past we have included only finished release notes in the test3 release of Fedora, but that will NOT be the case for F8 test3. Any team that works on their release notes translation will have their work included in F8 test3. We would still like to include only finished translations in the final version to emphasize the professional polish of the distribution, but since I now have greater access to the fedora-release-notes package in the distribution, we will be more able to bring an update package into Fedora 8 during its cycle if additional languages are finished by some deadline date on which we can jointly agree. Reminder: the full fedora-release-notes package includes material from the following modules: * release-notes * homepage * about-fedora <-- (Almost no changes since F7) * readme * readme-live-image * readme-burning-isos <-- (Almost no changes since F7) For the best locale representation, make sure you visit each of these modules for updates. Also, please remember to check that the po/LINGUAS file in each module is updated to include your locale, so it will be built by our tools! Thanks to everyone for your great work, it's a pleasure to work with you. If you have any problems, please contact us at fedora-docs-list. = = = [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 15:15:38 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:15:38 -0400 Subject: New start page in homepage module Message-ID: <1189955738.2716.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> I've updated the homepage module, and the release-notes module materials for building the fedora-release-notes package sources, with the new start page content. (I am operating under the assumption at this point that people have been spreading the word about this, especially since my F8 test2 install's Firefox home page seems to default to http://start.fedoraproject.org/.) The 'xml2po' tool fortunately has no problem understanding XHTML, so I was able to import the page design directly for use in our translator-friendly tool system. The changes should be carried in the next POT update through normal channels. If we don't want this content on the file system, or if someone knows where the page content is heading, now would be a good time to let us know. :-) Contact me at the FDP (fedora-docs-list at redhat.com) so we can revert the content to the old stuff in that case, which should not present a problem. The changes I made preserved the old strings and translations so it will not mean extra work for the translators. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From nihedmm at gmail.com Sun Sep 16 15:21:11 2007 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:21:11 +0200 Subject: New start page in homepage module In-Reply-To: <1189955738.2716.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189955738.2716.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0709160821w47f9ckd38de5e9df30bb07@mail.gmail.com> +1 It's a good idea and a good job. but the design can be more beautiful 2007/9/16, Paul W. Frields : > > I've updated the homepage module, and the release-notes module materials > for building the fedora-release-notes package sources, with the new > start page content. (I am operating under the assumption at this point > that people have been spreading the word about this, especially since my > F8 test2 install's Firefox home page seems to default to > http://start.fedoraproject.org/.) > > The 'xml2po' tool fortunately has no problem understanding XHTML, so I > was able to import the page design directly for use in our > translator-friendly tool system. The changes should be carried in the > next POT update through normal channels. > > If we don't want this content on the file system, or if someone knows > where the page content is heading, now would be a good time to let us > know. :-) Contact me at the FDP (fedora-docs-list at redhat.com) so we can > revert the content to the old stuff in that case, which should not > present a problem. The changes I made preserved the old strings and > translations so it will not mean extra work for the translators. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruturaj at gmail.com Mon Sep 17 04:39:28 2007 From: ruturaj at gmail.com (Ruturaj) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:09:28 +0530 Subject: New start page in homepage module In-Reply-To: <1189955738.2716.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189955738.2716.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <75a9cec80709162139u68c5203fq35cf87da3436ed0c@mail.gmail.com> I guess there should be a link of the Fedora Release Notes (the page that is normally the default page), This link ideally should be of the local file system. Rutu On 9/16/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > I've updated the homepage module, and the release-notes module materials > for building the fedora-release-notes package sources, with the new > start page content. (I am operating under the assumption at this point > that people have been spreading the word about this, especially since my > F8 test2 install's Firefox home page seems to default to > http://start.fedoraproject.org/.) > > The 'xml2po' tool fortunately has no problem understanding XHTML, so I > was able to import the page design directly for use in our > translator-friendly tool system. The changes should be carried in the > next POT update through normal channels. > > If we don't want this content on the file system, or if someone knows > where the page content is heading, now would be a good time to let us > know. :-) Contact me at the FDP (fedora-docs-list at redhat.com) so we can > revert the content to the old stuff in that case, which should not > present a problem. The changes I made preserved the old strings and > translations so it will not mean extra work for the translators. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- regards, Ruturaj K. Vartak ______________________________ http://www.ruturaj.net http://ruturajv.wordpress.com ?????????????????????????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 15:25:46 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:25:46 +0300 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder - Today - 1600 Hrs GMT Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> To One and All: There is a regularly scheduled meeting today of the Fedora Docs Steering Committee (FDSCo). Join us on the Freenode IRC network at the #Fedora-Docs channel at 1600 Hrs GMT. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings for the meeting agenda. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 17:31:16 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:31:16 -0400 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder - Today - 1600 Hrs GMT In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190136676.28356.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 18:25 +0300, John Babich wrote: > To One and All: > > There is a regularly scheduled meeting today of the Fedora Docs > Steering Committee (FDSCo). > > Join us on the Freenode IRC network at the #Fedora-Docs channel at 1600 Hrs GMT. > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings > for the meeting agenda. I would like to propose that we move the meeting time. Right now, there are very few people actually doing work for the Docs Project. Our meeting time should respect first and foremost the schedules of contributors. If and as that situation changes, we should try to accommodate as much as possible the contributors. I've missed almost all the meetings since we took up a Tuesday time during my workday, because I thought I could make time for it, which I obviously can't. As one of the frequent contributors, I guess this is somewhat of a selfish request, and I don't want to shut anyone out of meetings. On the other hand, IRC is always loggable, and we capture meetings for the mailing list for those who can't attend. Thoughts? Comments? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Sep 18 18:29:43 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:29:43 +0300 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder - Today - 1600 Hrs GMT In-Reply-To: <1190136676.28356.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> <1190136676.28356.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709181129tbc8487gd91f6badaebaa498@mail.gmail.com> On 9/18/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I would like to propose that we move the meeting time. Right now, there > are very few people actually doing work for the Docs Project. Our > meeting time should respect first and foremost the schedules of > contributors. If and as that situation changes, we should try to > accommodate as much as possible the contributors. > +1 Let's do it. > I've missed almost all the meetings since we took up a Tuesday time > during my workday, because I thought I could make time for it, which I > obviously can't. As one of the frequent contributors, I guess this is > somewhat of a selfish request, and I don't want to shut anyone out of > meetings. On the other hand, IRC is always loggable, and we capture > meetings for the mailing list for those who can't attend. > > Thoughts? Comments? > We should definitely plan around the committed few, and then invite those interested based on the optimal time for the core group. We did a scheduling exercise a while back using a time grid on the wiki. Should we use that technique again? If yes, I'll set up the page. Best Regards. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From alajal at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 04:56:15 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:56:15 +0500 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mustafa Qasim Message-ID: <2c21bbf00709182156s6f5ccc2du4efca0cca3927bed@mail.gmail.com> Name: Mustafa Qasim Location: Lahore, Pakistan Profession: Student BS(Hons.) in Computer Sciences Assistant Network Engineer & Lab Instructor Company: Dexterous Network Solutions Goals in Fedora Project: - Right now start work on TQSG. - Write Urdu Documents - Centralize the "How to join" docs into a single guide. Minimize the learning curve one have to pass before actually start working in a project. Making the process simple, clear ans fast. GPG Key ID: D7843DC2 GPG Fingerprint: 96AC 2525 A03F 6C9F F9DA 5A30 C66E D512 D784 3DC2 -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info Registered Linux User# 441709. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruturaj at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 05:50:04 2007 From: ruturaj at gmail.com (Ruturaj) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:20:04 +0530 Subject: Help need on Structure of Docs Message-ID: <75a9cec80709182250x1b1e2507ged6aef23aab7cb45@mail.gmail.com> Hi, When I checked out "fedora-release-notes-f-7", I don't remember the exact name, I'm in office right now :P , the files were inside the example-tutorial, shouldn't they be @ docs-common level ? Can anybody point me to the documentation of the Structure of the Docs , CVS modules, etc thanks -- regards, Ruturaj K. Vartak http://www.ruturaj.net From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 08:45:19 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:45:19 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Mustafa Qasim In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00709182156s6f5ccc2du4efca0cca3927bed@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00709182156s6f5ccc2du4efca0cca3927bed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709190145i12e5ee8dj4d9c737aeb643d5@mail.gmail.com> Mustafa: Welcome to the Fedora Docs Project! It sounds like you have some clear-cut goals set for yourself. If you have any questions concerning working with the FDP, please post them to this forum or get in touch via the #fedora-docs channel on the Freenode IRC network. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 11:36:11 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:36:11 -0400 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder - Today - 1600 Hrs GMT In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709181129tbc8487gd91f6badaebaa498@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> <1190136676.28356.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0709181129tbc8487gd91f6badaebaa498@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190201771.15481.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 21:29 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On 9/18/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I would like to propose that we move the meeting time. Right now, there > > are very few people actually doing work for the Docs Project. Our > > meeting time should respect first and foremost the schedules of > > contributors. If and as that situation changes, we should try to > > accommodate as much as possible the contributors. > > > > +1 > > Let's do it. > > > I've missed almost all the meetings since we took up a Tuesday time > > during my workday, because I thought I could make time for it, which I > > obviously can't. As one of the frequent contributors, I guess this is > > somewhat of a selfish request, and I don't want to shut anyone out of > > meetings. On the other hand, IRC is always loggable, and we capture > > meetings for the mailing list for those who can't attend. > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > > We should definitely plan around the committed few, and then invite > those interested based on the optimal time for the core group. > > We did a scheduling exercise a while back using a time grid on the > wiki. Should we use that technique again? > > If yes, I'll set up the page. +1 -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 11:36:44 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:36:44 -0400 Subject: Help need on Structure of Docs In-Reply-To: <75a9cec80709182250x1b1e2507ged6aef23aab7cb45@mail.gmail.com> References: <75a9cec80709182250x1b1e2507ged6aef23aab7cb45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190201804.15481.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 11:20 +0530, Ruturaj wrote: > Hi, > When I checked out "fedora-release-notes-f-7", I don't remember the > exact name, I'm in office right now :P , the files were inside the > example-tutorial, shouldn't they be @ docs-common level ? > > Can anybody point me to the documentation of the Structure of the Docs > , CVS modules, etc http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/ -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The doc guide will tell you each module should contain 2 parts, the xml file as well as doc-common, so "make" can work well. -- bbbush ^_^ From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 19 23:52:29 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:52:29 -0400 Subject: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "DocWritersGroup" by MustafaQasim In-Reply-To: <20070919045938.15222.86667@app1.fedora.phx.redhat.com> References: <20070919045938.15222.86667@app1.fedora.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190245949.23595.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 04:59 +0000, fedorawiki-noreply at fedoraproject.org wrote: > Dear Wiki user, > > You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Fedora Project Wiki" for change notification. > > The following page has been changed by MustafaQasim: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocWritersGroup?action=diff&rev2=26&rev1=25 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * MarkJohnson > * MartinBrej > * MattBird > + * MustafaQasim > * PatrickBarnes > * [:PaulWFrields:PaulWFrields] > * RahulSundaram Has anyone found out whether our ACLs are working properly for the wiki under the Docs/Drafts/* namespace? Users should not have to add themselves to DocWritersGroup to work on drafts, for instance. This would be a great "quickie" research task for a new contributor, or someone short on time looking for something easy to do. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Due to last-minute bug fixes and other errata, > you can expect a few string changes over the next few weeks, although we > will strive to keep them to an absolute minimum. You will need to > complete all work by the listed date of 21 October (2007-10-21), subject > to change if there are slips affecting the overall release schedule[2]. > > In the past we have included only finished release notes in the test3 > release of Fedora, but that will NOT be the case for F8 test3. Any team > that works on their release notes translation will have their work > included in F8 test3. We would still like to include only finished > translations in the final version to emphasize the professional polish > of the distribution, but since I now have greater access to the > fedora-release-notes package in the distribution, we will be more able > to bring an update package into Fedora 8 during its cycle if additional > languages are finished by some deadline date on which we can jointly > agree. > > Reminder: the full fedora-release-notes package includes material from > the following modules: > Thank you so much giving us clear picture! Now I have a couple of questions, can I? * Should we need to update pot/po files for those manually? * I've edited some LINGUS to include ja, then found that 'readme/' and 'readme-burning-isos/' have no LINGUS under po/. What to do? > * release-notes > * homepage > * about-fedora <-- (Almost no changes since F7) > * readme > * readme-live-image > * readme-burning-isos <-- (Almost no changes since F7) Many thanks noriko > > For the best locale representation, make sure you visit each of these > modules for updates. Also, please remember to check that the po/LINGUAS > file in each module is updated to include your locale, so it will be > built by our tools! Thanks to everyone for your great work, it's a > pleasure to work with you. If you have any problems, please contact us > at fedora-docs-list. > > = = = > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Schedule > > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 11:29:42 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:29:42 -0400 Subject: Release Notes for F8 - first POT drop In-Reply-To: <46F1FC6F.2080402@redhat.com> References: <1189879815.15162.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F1FC6F.2080402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1190287782.25983.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 14:51 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Greetings L10N folk! > > > > Due to scarce personnel resources we are running a couple of days behind > > our schedule[1] for the Docs Project. However, I am getting the Release > > Notes ready for a POT drop today. Although the schedule currently has a > > "deadline" of 23 September, we will be extending this until about 26 > > September (2007-09-26). > > > > However, please keep in mind that your team does *NOT* need to complete > > ALL work by that date. Due to last-minute bug fixes and other errata, > > you can expect a few string changes over the next few weeks, although we > > will strive to keep them to an absolute minimum. You will need to > > complete all work by the listed date of 21 October (2007-10-21), subject > > to change if there are slips affecting the overall release schedule[2]. > > > > In the past we have included only finished release notes in the test3 > > release of Fedora, but that will NOT be the case for F8 test3. Any team > > that works on their release notes translation will have their work > > included in F8 test3. We would still like to include only finished > > translations in the final version to emphasize the professional polish > > of the distribution, but since I now have greater access to the > > fedora-release-notes package in the distribution, we will be more able > > to bring an update package into Fedora 8 during its cycle if additional > > languages are finished by some deadline date on which we can jointly > > agree. > > > > Reminder: the full fedora-release-notes package includes material from > > the following modules: > > > Thank you so much giving us clear picture! > Now I have a couple of questions, can I? > > * Should we need to update pot/po files for those manually? I guess that depends on where you're getting them. If I remember correctly, I've updated all the new POT/PO in Docs CVS, so if you normally pull your POT/PO directly from CVS, you should be able to just "cvs up" to get the latest. If you pull from the Damned Lies interface at translate.fp.o, I believe that system automatically has the latest POT/PO as well. > * I've edited some LINGUS to include ja, then found that 'readme/' and > 'readme-burning-isos/' have no LINGUS under po/. What to do? I just fixed this problem as well; sorry for the inconvenience. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 20 20:19:29 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:49:29 +0530 Subject: Documention with DocBook on Win32 Message-ID: <46F2D5D1.4050201@fedoraproject.org> Hi Might be useful as a reference http://www.codeproject.com/winhelp/docbook_howto.asp Rahul From noriko at redhat.com Thu Sep 20 23:59:18 2007 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:59:18 +1000 Subject: Release Notes for F8 - first POT drop In-Reply-To: <1190287782.25983.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1189879815.15162.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <46F1FC6F.2080402@redhat.com> <1190287782.25983.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46F30956.20405@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 14:51 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> Greetings L10N folk! >>> >>> Due to scarce personnel resources we are running a couple of days behind >>> our schedule[1] for the Docs Project. However, I am getting the Release >>> Notes ready for a POT drop today. Although the schedule currently has a >>> "deadline" of 23 September, we will be extending this until about 26 >>> September (2007-09-26). >>> >>> However, please keep in mind that your team does *NOT* need to complete >>> ALL work by that date. Due to last-minute bug fixes and other errata, >>> you can expect a few string changes over the next few weeks, although we >>> will strive to keep them to an absolute minimum. You will need to >>> complete all work by the listed date of 21 October (2007-10-21), subject >>> to change if there are slips affecting the overall release schedule[2]. >>> >>> In the past we have included only finished release notes in the test3 >>> release of Fedora, but that will NOT be the case for F8 test3. Any team >>> that works on their release notes translation will have their work >>> included in F8 test3. We would still like to include only finished >>> translations in the final version to emphasize the professional polish >>> of the distribution, but since I now have greater access to the >>> fedora-release-notes package in the distribution, we will be more able >>> to bring an update package into Fedora 8 during its cycle if additional >>> languages are finished by some deadline date on which we can jointly >>> agree. >>> >>> Reminder: the full fedora-release-notes package includes material from >>> the following modules: >>> >> Thank you so much giving us clear picture! >> Now I have a couple of questions, can I? >> >> * Should we need to update pot/po files for those manually? > > I guess that depends on where you're getting them. If I remember > correctly, I've updated all the new POT/PO in Docs CVS, so if you > normally pull your POT/PO directly from CVS, you should be able to just > "cvs up" to get the latest. If you pull from the Damned Lies interface > at translate.fp.o, I believe that system automatically has the latest > POT/PO as well. I did from CVS, so they should be latest. Thank you! > >> * I've edited some LINGUS to include ja, then found that 'readme/' and >> 'readme-burning-isos/' have no LINGUS under po/. What to do? > > I just fixed this problem as well; sorry for the inconvenience. Np, thank you so much. noriko > > From alajal at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 12:40:13 2007 From: alajal at gmail.com (Mustafa Qasim) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:13 +0500 Subject: [Fedora Project Wiki] Update of "DocWritersGroup" by MustafaQasim In-Reply-To: <1190245949.23595.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20070919045938.15222.86667@app1.fedora.phx.redhat.com> <1190245949.23595.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2c21bbf00709200540h5542fd45l3d309b48666d0f94@mail.gmail.com> On 9/20/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 04:59 +0000, fedorawiki-noreply at fedoraproject.org > wrote: > > Dear Wiki user, > > > > You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Fedora Project > Wiki" for change notification. > > > > The following page has been changed by MustafaQasim: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocWritersGroup?action=diff&rev2=26&rev1=25 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > * MarkJohnson > > * MartinBrej > > * MattBird > > + * MustafaQasim > > * PatrickBarnes > > * [:PaulWFrields:PaulWFrields] > > * RahulSundaram > > Has anyone found out whether our ACLs are working properly for the wiki > under the Docs/Drafts/* namespace? Users should not have to add > themselves to DocWritersGroup to work on drafts, for instance. This > would be a great "quickie" research task for a new contributor, or > someone short on time looking for something easy to do. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > Oh. I m sorry for that. I wasn't aware of that. -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info Registered Linux User# 441709. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 23:26:29 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:26:29 -0400 Subject: Documention with DocBook on Win32 In-Reply-To: <46F2D5D1.4050201@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F2D5D1.4050201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1190330789.5175.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 01:49 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Might be useful as a reference > http://www.codeproject.com/winhelp/docbook_howto.asp I'll add this as a link in the Documentation Guide, thanks! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please reply with +1 - If you think yes -1 - If you think not further suggestions/comments are more then welcomed. -- Mustafa Qasim Lahore, Pakistan Cell: 0321-6614972 URL: http://www.mustu.info Registered Linux User# 441709. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:03:13 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:03:13 -0400 Subject: Kindly Cast ur Vote: Text Vs. Interactive flash/video guides In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190376193.5175.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 03:43 +0500, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! > I was wondering that how much it would be beneficial to > develop interactive flash/video guides instead of long text guides for > certain purposes like teaching newbie how to use the tools required by > a project and let him feel comfortable with the Fedora Project > environment in a short time so, he can start the work(that is actually > needed) instead of wasting his first few days asking how to create > account, where to create the keys and bla bla bla. > > Do you think it can be helpful for home users for whom CVS and GPG > Keys etc are alien? > > Kindly share your thought. Please reply with > +1 - If you think yes > -1 - If you think not > > further suggestions/comments are more then welcomed. I think we've talked about this before -- you will probably want to Google search the archives at Gmane or elsewhere, searching for the term "screencasts." I think everyone was in favor, but there are a couple caveats: 1. Video is much higher bandwidth than text, so the author(s) would need to plan accordingly. 2. No audio would be appropriate, since there's no easy way to translate it. Other folks may have some additional points to make, but I think there's no one against it per se. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From draciron at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 12:54:15 2007 From: draciron at gmail.com (Dan Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:54:15 -0500 Subject: Kindly Cast ur Vote: Text Vs. Interactive flash/video guides In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -------------1 Eewwww... Flash has always had a nasty mem leak in it. More so you cannot copy and paste text out of it as examples, can't save off a page to separate file for later reference or merge pages for accumulated knowledge. Edits would require flash tools. Then upkeep would incur so much more overhead and require more from end user. The only possible benefit I could is for complex tasks that new users might attempt. On 9/20/07, Mustafa Qasim wrote: > Hello! > I was wondering that how much it would be beneficial to develop > interactive flash/video guides instead of long text guides for certain > purposes like teaching newbie how to use the tools required by a project and > let him feel comfortable with the Fedora Project environment in a short time > so, he can start the work(that is actually needed) instead of wasting his > first few days asking how to create account, where to create the keys and > bla bla bla. > > Do you think it can be helpful for home users for whom CVS and GPG Keys etc > are alien? > > Kindly share your thought. Please reply with > +1 - If you think yes > -1 - If you think not > > further suggestions/comments are more then welcomed. > > -- > Mustafa Qasim > Lahore, Pakistan > Cell: 0321-6614972 > URL: http://www.mustu.info > > Registered Linux User# 441709. > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 14:26:07 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:26:07 -0400 Subject: Kindly Cast ur Vote: Text Vs. Interactive flash/video guides In-Reply-To: References: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190384767.5175.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 07:54 -0500, Dan Smith wrote: > -------------1 > Eewwww... Flash has always had a nasty mem leak in it. More so you > cannot copy and paste text out of it as examples, can't save off a > page to separate file for later reference or merge pages for > accumulated knowledge. Edits would require flash tools. Then upkeep > would incur so much more overhead and require more from end user. AFAICT Gnash does not suffer from the memory leak problem. Copying and pasting text is an issue, though, as is the editing. I imagine most screencasts are conceived and produced as one-off, zero-maintenance projects. > The only possible benefit I could is for complex tasks that new users > might attempt. Since that is, in fact, the target subject matter and audience for the screencasts, I think if someone wants to go to the trouble of contributing it, we should encourage it. I would caution any screencast authors to keep the screencasts modular and short, so that if we need to "fix" (that is, "redo") anything, it doesn't involve a long, drawn-out process of recreation. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 14:29:58 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:29:58 -0400 Subject: Fedora Docs Meeting Reminder - Today - 1600 Hrs GMT In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0709181129tbc8487gd91f6badaebaa498@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0709180825p4dfba761j53a311e87a4abe74@mail.gmail.com> <1190136676.28356.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0709181129tbc8487gd91f6badaebaa498@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190384998.5175.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 21:29 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On 9/18/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > I would like to propose that we move the meeting time. Right now, there > > are very few people actually doing work for the Docs Project. Our > > meeting time should respect first and foremost the schedules of > > contributors. If and as that situation changes, we should try to > > accommodate as much as possible the contributors. > > > > +1 > > Let's do it. > > > I've missed almost all the meetings since we took up a Tuesday time > > during my workday, because I thought I could make time for it, which I > > obviously can't. As one of the frequent contributors, I guess this is > > somewhat of a selfish request, and I don't want to shut anyone out of > > meetings. On the other hand, IRC is always loggable, and we capture > > meetings for the mailing list for those who can't attend. > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > > We should definitely plan around the committed few, and then invite > those interested based on the optimal time for the core group. > > We did a scheduling exercise a while back using a time grid on the > wiki. Should we use that technique again? > > If yes, I'll set up the page. I was playing with Google Calendar and wanted to use this resource in the future. John helpfully tried setting up a conflict resolver there, but once we get more than a couple people involved it could look really ugly, and since the calendar is set up to notify fedora-docs-list, that could *really* be a hoot. So I set up this page instead, based on Toshio's template: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Scheduler Here's what I would suggest: * Mark your initials (JB, PWF, etc.) in any box where you CAN'T attend. * Remember this is UTC! * Once everyone's done, we try and pick a box where key contributors CAN attend (i.e. their initials don't appear in the box), and as few other initials appear as possible. Kosher? -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am currently writing errata for RHEL 5, perhaps I could use what I have learned there to help in areas of the Fedora Project (release notes perhaps?). I have done a lot of work with BIND so maybe once I settle in I could start contributing more in that area (perhaps larger tutorials). - one of my 'goals' within Red Hat is to document 3 open source writing tools. Perhaps I could somehow combine that with a project for Fedora. I'd like to think I have good computer skills. I have been using Linux for 4-5 years (started with Red Hat 9, have played with SuSE, Debian, Slackware) with my main distributions being Ubuntu and Fedora (currently learning RHEL 5). My main interest is Linux, networking and security. After finishing school I worked in 7 schools doing network support. That was for 9 months, then for 1 year I worked as a network administrator where I was contracted out to 6-7 corporate customers. Then I scored my dream job in open source, which is why I'm here now. In my spare time I have no life to speak of so I try to fill the void with work or study (usually networking, but now leaning more towards anything Linux) :) It would be a lie to say I'm a great writer, in fact before I joined Red Hat I really had no writing experience at all (well I still don't ;)). I wrote a fairly long paper on DNS and BIND, but that is about it. I was hoping I would be able to learn more at Red Hat, improve my writing, and then be able to contribute back into the community - hopefully there is a place for me here! If there is anything else anyone would like to know, please don't hesitate to ask. Kind Regards, Murray. ------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB uid Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From jmbabich at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 06:25:05 2007 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:25:05 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Murray McAllister In-Reply-To: <46F47A10.1050602@gmail.com> References: <46F47A10.1050602@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0709212325v3808af87ra3733adc5c8a9058@mail.gmail.com> On 9/22/07, Murray wrote: > Hi, > > My name is Murray McAllister, I've just moved to Brisbane (Australia) to > start my new job with Red Hat Asia Pacific as a content author. > > I'm really keen to contribute into open source but finding it a bit hard > since I'm not a developer. I was then blessed with this job and thought > it would be a great opportunity to be able to give something back to > open source. > Congratulations on your new job. > My goals in the Fedora Project: > > - contribute as much as I can. I think some small tutorials (perhaps > network configuration, user management (system-config-users/useradd, > groupadd etc), permissions would be a good start/practice. > > I am currently writing errata for RHEL 5, perhaps I could use what I > have learned there to help in areas of the Fedora Project (release notes > perhaps?). I have done a lot of work with BIND so maybe once I settle > in I could start contributing more in that area (perhaps larger tutorials). > Welcome, there is always room for another committed writer. Release notes are a very high priority, as are other documents such as Installation Guide and Desktop User Guide. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tasks for a list of tasks we have set for ourselves. > - one of my 'goals' within Red Hat is to document 3 open source writing > tools. Perhaps I could somehow combine that with a project for Fedora. > You should check out a guide I've authored on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlowIdeas This document covers quite a few FOSS tools for linux for authoring docs in Docbook XML format. Once again, welcome aboard! Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From dimitris at glezos.com Sat Sep 22 07:41:39 2007 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:41:39 +0100 Subject: Kindly Cast ur Vote: Text Vs. Interactive flash/video guides In-Reply-To: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> References: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190446899.5775.21.camel@shuttle> ???? 21-09-2007, ????? ???, ??? ??? 03:43 +0500, ?/? Mustafa Qasim ??????: > Hello! > I was wondering that how much it would be beneficial to > develop interactive flash/video guides instead of long text guides for > certain purposes like teaching newbie how to use the tools required by > a project and let him feel comfortable with the Fedora Project > environment in a short time so, he can start the work(that is actually > needed) instead of wasting his first few days asking how to create > account, where to create the keys and bla bla bla. > > Do you think it can be helpful for home users for whom CVS and GPG > Keys etc are alien? +1, definitely. Screencasts are useful, and that's proved by their popularity. It would be great if we had screencasts for some "complex" docs tasks -- I'm about to create one for transifex. It's definitely better than nothing, having in mind what Paul said: they're more or less a one-off thing with zero maintenance. Also, maybe to show off of a default Fedora desktop, a standard anaconda installation, package management etc. Some people want to see how it will look like, and don't care that much about learning something or being able to copy-paste for it. Some people think that yum is still awfully slow for example, or that there are things that can't be done compared to apt. A screencast-showoff of this would be great IMO. In other words, screencasts won't substitute proper documentation. And heck, if a screencast is important enough for docs purposes, it could be accompanied by a wiki page with full details, references etc. In terms of localization, if we have the transcript for every screencast, we could even localize it with subtitles in sub/srt files. -d > Kindly share your thought. Please reply with > +1 - If you think yes > -1 - If you think not > > further suggestions/comments are more then welcomed. > > -- > Mustafa Qasim > Lahore, Pakistan > Cell: 0321-6614972 > URL: http://www.mustu.info > > Registered Linux User# 441709. > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 22 14:46:40 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:46:40 -0400 Subject: Kindly Cast ur Vote: Text Vs. Interactive flash/video guides In-Reply-To: <1190446899.5775.21.camel@shuttle> References: <2c21bbf00709201543t10f99e30p1fd61b983d95b029@mail.gmail.com> <1190446899.5775.21.camel@shuttle> Message-ID: <1190472400.14578.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-22 at 08:41 +0100, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > ???? 21-09-2007, ????? ???, ??? ??? 03:43 +0500, ?/? Mustafa Qasim > ??????: > In terms of localization, if we have the transcript for every > screencast, we could even localize it with subtitles in sub/srt files. Brilliant idea! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:58:34 -0400 Subject: Referencing Menus in Documentation In-Reply-To: <75a9cec80709230352q25f90841qca8815cb46f76cb6@mail.gmail.com> References: <75a9cec80709230352q25f90841qca8815cb46f76cb6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190555914.25085.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2007-09-23 at 16:22 +0530, Ruturaj wrote: > When referencing to the Menu's in "Fedora Docs" do I refer to the > default "en_US" menus or to the localized translated Menus. Sometimes > they are available, sometimes they are not.. If you are writing in the en_US locale, use the en_US names for menus and menu items. Make sure you look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms for information on how to mark up GUI instructions. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 20:07:39 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:07:39 +1000 Subject: cla_redhat Message-ID: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I was wondering how to request access to cla_redhat, instead of signing the CLA. Do I request this by modifying my Fedora account? Thanks, Murray. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sun Sep 23 21:12:09 2007 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:12:09 -0500 Subject: cla_redhat In-Reply-To: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> References: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F6D6A9.1080402@redhat.com> Murray wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering how to request access to cla_redhat, instead of > signing the CLA. Do I request this by modifying my Fedora account? Unless you have a corporate agreement between your employer and Red Hat there's really no way to do it besides signing the CLA for legal reasons. -Mike From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 23 21:24:08 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:54:08 +0530 Subject: cla_redhat In-Reply-To: <46F6D6A9.1080402@redhat.com> References: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> <46F6D6A9.1080402@redhat.com> Message-ID: <46F6D978.6070707@fedoraproject.org> Mike McGrath wrote: > Murray wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I was wondering how to request access to cla_redhat, instead of >> signing the CLA. Do I request this by modifying my Fedora account? > > Unless you have a corporate agreement between your employer and Red Hat > there's really no way to do it besides signing the CLA for legal reasons. Murray is a Red Hat employee so the advice above does not apply. The steps for doing so is outlined in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join#head-a601c13b0950a89568deafa65f505b4b58ee869b This should ideally be separated out into a common area and linked from everywhere that we require contributors to get a Fedora account. Rahul From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Sep 23 22:26:24 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:26:24 +1000 Subject: cla_redhat In-Reply-To: <46F6D978.6070707@fedoraproject.org> References: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> <46F6D6A9.1080402@redhat.com> <46F6D978.6070707@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <95f1114b0709231526o116d1c40x1c868a3fa0b1cde4@mail.gmail.com> On 9/24/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Mike McGrath wrote: > > Murray wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, > >> > >> I was wondering how to request access to cla_redhat, instead of > >> signing the CLA. Do I request this by modifying my Fedora account? > > > > Unless you have a corporate agreement between your employer and Red Hat > > there's really no way to do it besides signing the CLA for legal reasons. > > Murray is a Red Hat employee so the advice above does not apply. The > steps for doing so is outlined in > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join#head-a601c13b0950a89568deafa65f505b4b58ee869b > > This should ideally be separated out into a common area and linked from > everywhere that we require contributors to get a Fedora account. > > Rahul > Thanks for the help. How should I go about asking Ken Reilly or Warren Togami to approve me? Thanks again! From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 23 22:47:06 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:17:06 +0530 Subject: cla_redhat In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0709231526o116d1c40x1c868a3fa0b1cde4@mail.gmail.com> References: <46F6C78B.9000709@gmail.com> <46F6D6A9.1080402@redhat.com> <46F6D978.6070707@fedoraproject.org> <95f1114b0709231526o116d1c40x1c868a3fa0b1cde4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F6ECEA.6010507@fedoraproject.org> Murray McAllister wrote: > > Thanks for the help. How should I go about asking Ken Reilly or > Warren Togami to approve me? You can mail Warren Togami with your Fedora account name. wtogami AT redhat.com. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 23:24:09 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:24:09 -0400 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! Message-ID: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Is someone on the Docs list willing and able to write the F8 test3 release announcement? You can draft it on the wiki and post a link here for people to edit or critique. Easy pickings for those who are looking to pitch in but not sure how yet. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Thu Sep 27 07:06:24 2007 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:06:24 +0200 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> Paul, What is the new stuff present in Test3 ? Paulo On 9/27/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Is someone on the Docs list willing and able to write the F8 test3 > release announcement? You can draft it on the wiki and post a link here > for people to edit or critique. Easy pickings for those who are looking > to pitch in but not sure how yet. > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Thu Sep 27 07:39:43 2007 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: XML/xsltproc-based toolchain for TLDP documentation? Message-ID: it was suggested to me that i ask on this list -- does someone have a fully-functional toolchain based on docbook and XML and xsltproc for generating the various output formats for a TLDP document that runs on fedora? i've asked on the TLDP list but what i seem to be hearing is that the standard toolchain involves SGML and DSSSL and jade, and i'd rather use the newer stuff. for now, i'd be happy with just generating TLDP-compliant HTML, and i can install FOP later for the PDF output. so does anyone have such a toolchain up and running based on nothing more than regular fedora packages? thanks. (i'm running f8t-whatever at the moment.) rday p.s. another option would be a toolchain that works similar to the TLDP one, perhaps whatever is used for official fedora docs. i wouldn't mind looking at that, either. again, thanks. -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ======================================================================== From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 08:53:48 2007 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:53:48 +1000 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <46FB6F9C.1060500@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Is someone on the Docs list willing and able to write the F8 test3 > release announcement? You can draft it on the wiki and post a link here > for people to edit or critique. Easy pickings for those who are looking > to pitch in but not sure how yet. > > I'd love to, I'm very keen to contribute but not really sure how yet :) Unfortunately I have not tested F8 or really know anything about it...so I guess that would take me out of the running? Also I'm still waiting to hear back on approval for cla_redhat:( Thanks, Murray :) From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 09:46:21 2007 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 05:46:21 -0400 Subject: XML/xsltproc-based toolchain for TLDP documentation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1190886381.3259.60.camel@ignacio.lan> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 03:39 -0400, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > it was suggested to me that i ask on this list -- does someone have > a fully-functional toolchain based on docbook and XML and xsltproc for > generating the various output formats for a TLDP document that runs on > fedora? The entire FDP toolchain is available via CVS. (and of course, yum) http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/ > i've asked on the TLDP list but what i seem to be hearing is that > the standard toolchain involves SGML and DSSSL and jade, and i'd > rather use the newer stuff. (shameless plug) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=261581 -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu Sep 27 14:14:53 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:44:53 +0530 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FBBADD.6060608@fedoraproject.org> Paulo Santos wrote: > Paul, > > What is the new stuff present in Test3 ? > > > Paulo Digging that information out is part of writing the release announcement. Folks from release engineering might be able to help. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 27 13:41:43 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:41:43 -0400 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1190900503.28138.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 09:06 +0200, Paulo Santos wrote: > What is the new stuff present in Test3 ? You can find that information on the release notes beats, especially the OverView: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/OverView http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 05:00:27 2007 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason Taylor) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:00:27 -0400 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <1191014446.3691.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> <46FBBADD.6060608@fedoraproject.org> <1191014446.3691.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <23b1fe6e0709282200u82853f0q8a7eb0c8b6dade92@mail.gmail.com> I didn't see a reply so I was wondering if Paulo or someone else has written this yet? If not I will take an attempt at it :) -jason On 9/28/07, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-09-27 at 19:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Paulo Santos wrote: > > > Paul, > > > > > > What is the new stuff present in Test3 ? > > > > > > > > > Paulo > > > > Digging that information out is part of writing the release > > announcement. Folks from release engineering might be able to help. > > Exactly, thanks Rahul. Paulo, are you handling this then? > > -- > Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 29 07:20:47 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:50:47 +0530 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <23b1fe6e0709282200u82853f0q8a7eb0c8b6dade92@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> <46FBBADD.6060608@fedoraproject.org> <1191014446.3691.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <23b1fe6e0709282200u82853f0q8a7eb0c8b6dade92@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FDFCCF.1020002@fedoraproject.org> Jason Taylor wrote: > I didn't see a reply so I was wondering if Paulo or someone else has > written this yet? If not I will take an attempt at it :) > > -jason Go ahead. More hands can't hurt. Rahul From ruturaj at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 07:42:39 2007 From: ruturaj at gmail.com (Ruturaj) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:12:39 +0530 Subject: Make+ing a HTML document out of translation Message-ID: <75a9cec80709290042t197a6ae3q55f7a53c4b05254d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've created a hi_IN.po (for Hindi translation, I hope the file name is correct) under release-notes-F-7/release-notes/po and I've kindof completed more than 30% of translation for it, and I now want to check how it fits into the HTML documentaton, cause while translating the po files really doesn't give u the feel of the whole document. Any pointers, links would do. I tried searching the wiki, Readmes, etc but failed. -- regards, Ruturaj K. Vartak http://www.ruturaj.net From couf at skynet.be Sat Sep 29 08:51:27 2007 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:51:27 +0200 Subject: Make+ing a HTML document out of translation In-Reply-To: <75a9cec80709290042t197a6ae3q55f7a53c4b05254d@mail.gmail.com> References: <75a9cec80709290042t197a6ae3q55f7a53c4b05254d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191055887.16148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Op zaterdag 29-09-2007 om 13:12 uur [tijdzone +0530], schreef Ruturaj: > Hi, > I've created a hi_IN.po (for Hindi translation, I hope the file name > is correct) under > release-notes-F-7/release-notes/po > and I've kindof completed more than 30% of translation for it, and I > now want to check how it fits into the HTML documentaton, cause while > translating the po files really doesn't give u the feel of the whole > document. > Any pointers, links would do. > I tried searching the wiki, Readmes, etc but failed. Before creating the HTML document be sure to validate your translation. Therefor go into the release-notes directory and enter the command make validate-xml-hi_IN If it gives errors, please check them, especially closing tags in translated strings. If you don't have any errors you can use -> make html-hi_IN (every section on a new pages) -> make html-nochunks-hi_IN (everything on 1 page) This will create a directory RELEASE-NOTES-hi_IN (make html-hi_IN) or the file RELEASE-NOTES-hi_IN.html (nochunks) in which you will find the generated HTML. Feel free to ask if this isn't clear or drop by #fedora-docs on irc Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I wont have much time until the end of next week, so if anyone can do this, it would be appreciated :) Paulo On 9/29/07, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Jason Taylor wrote: > > I didn't see a reply so I was wondering if Paulo or someone else has > > written this yet? If not I will take an attempt at it :) > > > > -jason > > Go ahead. More hands can't hurt. > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 15:42:21 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:42:21 -0400 Subject: Make+ing a HTML document out of translation In-Reply-To: <1191055887.16148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <75a9cec80709290042t197a6ae3q55f7a53c4b05254d@mail.gmail.com> <1191055887.16148.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1191080541.3620.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 10:51 +0200, Bart Couvreur wrote: > Op zaterdag 29-09-2007 om 13:12 uur [tijdzone +0530], schreef Ruturaj: > > Hi, > > I've created a hi_IN.po (for Hindi translation, I hope the file name > > is correct) under > > release-notes-F-7/release-notes/po > > and I've kindof completed more than 30% of translation for it, and I > > now want to check how it fits into the HTML documentaton, cause while > > translating the po files really doesn't give u the feel of the whole > > document. > > Any pointers, links would do. > > I tried searching the wiki, Readmes, etc but failed. > > Before creating the HTML document be sure to validate your translation. > Therefor go into the release-notes directory and enter the command > make validate-xml-hi_IN > If it gives errors, please check them, especially closing tags in > translated strings. > > If you don't have any errors you can use > -> make html-hi_IN (every section on a new pages) > -> make html-nochunks-hi_IN (everything on 1 page) > > This will create a directory RELEASE-NOTES-hi_IN (make html-hi_IN) or > the file RELEASE-NOTES-hi_IN.html (nochunks) in which you will find the > generated HTML. > > Feel free to ask if this isn't clear or drop by #fedora-docs on irc Good advice Bart! Also Ruturaj, make sure you add your locale (hi_IN) to the list in po/LINGUAS so these commands work correctly for you. You will want to commit that change as well as your translation once you have things working and your translation validates OK. If you have validation problems, please feel free to bring those to the IRC channel as well, we're here to help. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 29 16:57:28 2007 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:57:28 -0400 Subject: Release announcement - Call for volunteers! In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0709290809k16914274v9f00af39963fb49f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1190849049.21154.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <7a41c4bc0709270006u307755d5ld9c67605a437de3e@mail.gmail.com> <46FBBADD.6060608@fedoraproject.org> <1191014446.3691.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <23b1fe6e0709282200u82853f0q8a7eb0c8b6dade92@mail.gmail.com> <46FDFCCF.1020002@fedoraproject.org> <7a41c4bc0709290809k16914274v9f00af39963fb49f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1191085048.3620.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2007-09-29 at 16:09 +0100, Paulo Santos wrote: > Sorry guys, i got a bit busy in RL work, thats why i didnt reply to > it. > I wont have much time until the end of next week, so if anyone can do > this, it would be appreciated :) There you go -- have at it! It would probably be good if you can produce a draft by Monday evening. We would have to check it, comment, and finalize before release so you need to plan time for that. Thanks for volunteering! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Sep 30 12:55:48 2007 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: some relatively correct "getting started with java" docs? Message-ID: is there a decent HOWTO on getting started with java under f8t2? that is, with the java packages that come with f8, as opposed to having to install sun's (or someone else's) java? thanks. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ======================================================================== From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 30 13:40:56 2007 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:10:56 +0530 Subject: some relatively correct "getting started with java" docs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FFA768.6010407@fedoraproject.org> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > is there a decent HOWTO on getting started with java under f8t2? > that is, with the java packages that come with f8, as opposed to > having to install sun's (or someone else's) java? thanks. Iced Tea which will be in Fedora 8 is a derivative of OpenJDK which is Sun Java under the GPL + classpath exception license and it will be installed by default in the test 3 release. What kind of information were you looking for? Rahul From rpjday at mindspring.com Sun Sep 30 17:27:07 2007 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: some relatively correct "getting started with java" docs? In-Reply-To: <46FFA768.6010407@fedoraproject.org> References: <46FFA768.6010407@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Sep 2007, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > is there a decent HOWTO on getting started with java under f8t2? > > that is, with the java packages that come with f8, as opposed to > > having to install sun's (or someone else's) java? thanks. > > Iced Tea which will be in Fedora 8 is a derivative of OpenJDK which > is Sun Java under the GPL + classpath exception license and it will > be installed by default in the test 3 release. > > What kind of information were you looking for? actually, i think i'm good -- i tried earlier to just compile and run your basic "hello, world" java style, but did something stupid. it's fine now. sorry for the noise. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca ========================================================================