From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 1 00:01:04 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 05:31:04 +0530 Subject: PackageKit docs In-Reply-To: <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> References: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <47F17B40.1020802@fedoraproject.org> Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul, > I had been working on the PackageKit doc [1] to go into the Software > Management Guide but haven't really had the chance to dig into it > lately. If you would like to take the lead on it that would help me out > a bunch as I am still doing research on the Encryption and Privacy > Guide. If you need me to do anything please let me know. > > Eric I now have commit access to PackageKit upstream and have already checked-in whatever I had written so far. We are now discussion on PK list on covering more details. When that is done, merely referencing the Yelp docs for PK should cover everything assuming we haven't patched PK for Fedora specific things. Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 1 18:33:38 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:33:38 -0400 Subject: PackageKit docs In-Reply-To: <47F17B40.1020802@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> <47F17B40.1020802@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080401183337.GI9683@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul, Okay, I'm still a bit confused. Will you be able to complete the PackageKit documentation for the SMG or do I still need to wrok on that? Eric On Tue, Apr 01, 2008 at 05:31:04AM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Eric Christensen wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Rahul, >> I had been working on the PackageKit doc [1] to go into the Software >> Management Guide but haven't really had the chance to dig into it >> lately. If you would like to take the lead on it that would help me out >> a bunch as I am still doing research on the Encryption and Privacy >> Guide. If you need me to do anything please let me know. >> >> Eric > > I now have commit access to PackageKit upstream and have already checked-in > whatever I had written so far. We are now discussion on PK list on covering > more details. When that is done, merely referencing the Yelp docs for PK > should cover everything assuming we haven't patched PK for Fedora specific > things. > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH8oABL5V8yddJCO0RAvXHAJ0TFkh4GthLmbDnWPA3ysGN26PDJwCfXc4f lOO2au0stboTiTf3AnVJCL4= =HqHR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Gerrard.Geldenhuis at datacash.com Wed Apr 2 12:29:14 2008 From: Gerrard.Geldenhuis at datacash.com (Gerrard Geldenhuis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:29:14 +0100 Subject: bonding documentation Message-ID: Hi I have spend a lot of time getting network bonding working for our environement(RHEL5) and would like to contribute the knowledge gained in some form of documentation. 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URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Apr 2 13:21:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:51:26 +0530 Subject: bonding documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47F38856.4050201@fedoraproject.org> Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote: > Hi > > I have spend a lot of time getting network bonding working for our > environement(RHEL5) and would like to contribute the knowledge gained in > some form of documentation. > > > > I personnally would like a man page for this but I am assuming having > not written docs for fedora before that everything is written in docbook > and then converted to appropriate format. > > > > Thus anyone know of documenation that exists already and if not where > would bonding documentation best slot in It isn't already documented to my knowledge.It would fit into the administration guide. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide To join the docs project, refer http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join Rahul From mirandam at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 14:26:29 2008 From: mirandam at gmail.com (Mauriat M) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:26:29 -0400 Subject: bonding documentation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8843055e0804020726p19400759tb67c4efd345feeb8@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Gerrard Geldenhuis wrote: > > Hi > > I have spend a lot of time getting network bonding working for our > environement(RHEL5) and would like to contribute the knowledge gained in > some form of documentation. > > I personnally would like a man page for this but I am assuming having not > written docs for fedora before that everything is written in docbook and > then converted to appropriate format. > > Thus anyone know of documenation that exists already and if not where would > bonding documentation best slot in > Have you looked at the Kernel Documentation on network bonding? Documentation/networking/bonding.txt (from the linux kernel source) -Mauriat From Gerrard.Geldenhuis at datacash.com Wed Apr 2 14:31:27 2008 From: Gerrard.Geldenhuis at datacash.com (Gerrard Geldenhuis) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 15:31:27 +0100 Subject: bonding documentation In-Reply-To: <8843055e0804020726p19400759tb67c4efd345feeb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <8843055e0804020726p19400759tb67c4efd345feeb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I have, but that could be made friendlier or at least formatted for use in the fedora documenation. It would also be handy in my opinion to have a man page to which you can refer to. When I started to learn linux I expected everything to have a man page and was quickly woken to reality. If I can I would like to make more man pages a reality. Regards > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-docs-list-bounces at redhat.com [mailto:fedora-docs-list- > bounces at redhat.com] On Behalf Of Mauriat M > Sent: 02 April 2008 15:26 > To: For participants of the Documentation Project > Subject: Re: bonding documentation > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Gerrard Geldenhuis > wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I have spend a lot of time getting network bonding working for our > > environement(RHEL5) and would like to contribute the knowledge gained in > > some form of documentation. > > > > I personnally would like a man page for this but I am assuming having > not > > written docs for fedora before that everything is written in docbook and > > then converted to appropriate format. > > > > Thus anyone know of documenation that exists already and if not where > would > > bonding documentation best slot in > > > > Have you looked at the Kernel Documentation on network bonding? > Documentation/networking/bonding.txt (from the linux kernel source) > > -Mauriat > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From sundaram at redhat.com Wed Apr 2 16:21:10 2008 From: sundaram at redhat.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 21:51:10 +0530 Subject: PackageKit docs In-Reply-To: <20080401183337.GI9683@localhost.localdomain> References: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> <47F17B40.1020802@fedoraproject.org> <20080401183337.GI9683@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F3B276.8080005@redhat.com> Eric H Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Rahul, > Okay, I'm still a bit confused. Will you be able to complete the PackageKit documentation for the SMG or do I still need to wrok on that? > > Eric I can take care of the PackageKit specific portions, yes. Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Wed Apr 2 16:22:55 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:22:55 -0400 Subject: PackageKit docs In-Reply-To: <47F3B276.8080005@redhat.com> References: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> <47F17B40.1020802@fedoraproject.org> <20080401183337.GI9683@localhost.localdomain> <47F3B276.8080005@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080402162255.GK29308@localhost.localdomain> Excellent! Thank you! On Wed, Apr 02, 2008 at 09:51:10PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Eric H Christensen wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Rahul, >> Okay, I'm still a bit confused. Will you be able to complete the PackageKit documentation for the SMG or do I still need to wrok on that? >> >> Eric > > I can take care of the PackageKit specific portions, yes. > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 2 16:52:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 09:52:34 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Announcement list for Fedora Translation Community] Message-ID: <1207155154.4581.42.camel@calliope.phig.org> Hadn't heard about this before, but it seems like something useful for when we have POT ready, etc. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Make enhancements for usability 3. Integrate publican 4. Other? Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican. This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and teamwork. I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on this work that it deserves. Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too. It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you can understand our tool set. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Others? > > Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a > weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs > people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that > group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into > community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really > inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction > to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican. > This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and > developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and > teamwork. > > I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our > tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of > others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on > this work that it deserves. > > Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too. > It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people > already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you > can understand our tool set. I'll be there representing the L10N side of things, provided the meeting is at a reasonable time of day :) cheers, asgeir From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 4 15:07:59 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:07:59 -0700 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207321679.4585.74.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a > weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs > people in Brisbane? +1 to Thursday evening (Friday UTC). If it's the others, I may not be available until after 0400 UTC. We need to find a time that doesn't put the meeting in the middle of or near children's bedtimes on the US East or West Coasts. That sounds like 2000 EDT(?)/Midnight UTC, and 2100 PDT/0400 UTC. So, something around 1800 P/2100 E/0100 U/1100 Brisbane? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 15:09:08 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:09:08 +0000 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <200804041549.27863.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200804041549.27863.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1207321748.4750.97.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 15:49 +1000, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > On Friday 04 April 2008 01:03:08 pm Paul W. Frields wrote: > > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of > > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess > > what work needs to be done with our toolchain: > > > > 1. Fix lingering problems > > 2. Make enhancements for usability > > 3. Integrate publican > > 4. Other? > 4. Make sure any changes integrate well with L10N Toolchain > 5. Others? Excellent, thank you! :-) > > Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a > > weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs > > people in Brisbane? I've been doing a weekly phone call with that > > group, but this would be a good way to move that conversation into > > community space where it rightly belongs. Relaying messages is really > > inefficient, and this gives the Docs team at Red Hat a good introduction > > to our toolchain, and lets them participate in integrating publican. > > This would be equivalent to the way the rest of Red Hat's engineers and > > developers work with the community and would lead to renewed bonds and > > teamwork. > > > > I'll obviously participate since I have pretty good knowledge of our > > tools, but that knowledge needs to leave my head and get into a lot of > > others. Mainly that's because I'm no longer able to spend the time on > > this work that it deserves. > > > > Who's up for helping? I promise if I can learn this stuff, you can too. > > It would be great to see some other contributors besides the people > > already carrying substantial load. If you can run shell commands, you > > can understand our tool set. > > I'll be there representing the L10N side of things, provided the meeting is at > a reasonable time of day :) Yes, I want the meeting to happen on a weenight after 2300 UTC (7:00pm US/Eastern, 4:00pm US/Pacific) so that we can make sure you folks in Brisbane can be involved -- Brisbane is UTC +10 for those who don't know. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess > what work needs to be done with our toolchain: I'd love to be part of this group... and if my luck holds out, I'll actually be home that week instead of on the road as I previously thought. > Can we set up a weekly meeting on IRC Freenode (#fedora-docs) on a > weeknight (Sunday-Thursday) so that we can involve the Red Hat Docs > people in Brisbane? Sounds good to me. -Jared From herlo1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 16:28:48 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:28:48 -0600 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jared Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the week of > > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group to assess > > what work needs to be done with our toolchain: > I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to make it and put in my two cents. I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared Smith (thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me. Cheers, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 00:51:40 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 00:51:40 +0000 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 10:28 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Jared Smith > wrote: > On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 23:03 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the > week of > > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group > to assess > > what work needs to be done with our toolchain: > > > I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to > make it and put in my two cents. > I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared > Smith (thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me. Absolutely, the more the merrier. The time sounds good to me. Just to reiterate, this would be: Fri 09 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane = Thu 08 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT Hopefully our Red Hat Docs subscribers on this list can let us know if there's any hangups with that time. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > > > > After the dust settles from the Fedora 9 release, around the > > week of > > > 5th-9th May, we should try and set up a Docs toolchain group > > to assess > > > what work needs to be done with our toolchain: > > > > > > I don't know how much input you want, but I'll see what I can do to > > make it and put in my two cents. > > I spent a bit of time the other night learning publican from Jared > > Smith (thanks man!) and would like to see where it leads me. > > Absolutely, the more the merrier. The time sounds good to me. Just to > reiterate, this would be: > > Fri 09 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane > = Thu 08 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT > > Hopefully our Red Hat Docs subscribers on this list can let us know if > there's any hangups with that time. > I would make the point about date and time issues that people consider who should be there and who shouldn't. I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work so I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :) Cheers, Marc P.S. I'm back from my business trip so expect DuG posts incoming. From kwade at redhat.com Sat Apr 5 14:54:10 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:54:10 -0700 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 09:59 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I would make the point about date and time issues that people consider > who should be there and who shouldn't. > > I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day > to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work > so > I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :) This is a good point to consider for those of us paid by RHT to be present at the meeting. When we have meetings scheduled to happen during business hours, we unconsciously exclude the non- at redhat.com folks. In the end, we all get inconvenienced to some degree. My default over the years has been to take the inconvenience on myself and others who are here because of their $dayjob.[1] Sadly, this is actually the hardest with folks in Oz. Business hours in the States are almost exactly the opposite of those in Australia, so either people in the US have to attend during "work hours", or vice-versa. Options: * Hold two meetings: - one that lands in Aus/Singapore/other APAC working hours but is after hours in the US/EMEA - one that lands in the before/after hours for APAC but is in the work-hours for the US/EMEA * Seek a 'perfect time' for each meeting using a time matrix - Karsten [1] Easier and less risky than teaching people to tunnel IRC over ports 80 or 42 -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 06:29:32 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 16:29:32 +1000 Subject: release notes schedule Message-ID: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Looking at the schedule (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule), it has "10 April F9 Preview Release", followed by a "FINAL" column. Following on, it has "6 April Wiki relnotes frozen, commute diffs to CVS" and "7 April POT files sent to L10N for translation ". Is this correct, or a typo? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 07:18:35 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:18:35 +1000 Subject: reminder: wiki freeze 04-06 for GA release notes Message-ID: <95f1114b0804060018ha133fb0nd24788cd076d9ef4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, A big thank you to everyone who helped make the preview release notes a success. The Beats wiki, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/, will be frozen at 2359 UTC 2008-04-06. The content at the time of freezing will become the Fedora 9 GA Release Notes. At some point after 2359 UTC 2008-04-07, the GA Release Notes will be available to L10N. For further details, refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule Thanks again for your help. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 07:19:44 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:19:44 +1000 Subject: release notes schedule In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804060019q4f3961absee360ac019f30a03@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Please ignore this :D Cheers, Murray. On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Looking at the schedule > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule), it has "10 April > F9 Preview Release", followed by a "FINAL" column. Following on, it > has "6 April Wiki relnotes frozen, commute diffs to CVS" and "7 April > POT files sent to L10N for translation ". Is this correct, or a typo? > > Thanks, > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > From eric at christensenplace.us Sun Apr 6 10:45:26 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:45:26 -0400 Subject: Encryption and Privacy Guide ready for F9 Message-ID: <47F8A9C6.1050200@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 PART [1] of the Encryption and Privacy Guide is ready for use. The reason I say part is because there is a lot going into this guide and the part that is ready is the only part that really matters to F9. Since this is the first time Fedora has advertised an encrypted file system, this part explains how to do it and how it works. It even shows how you can accomplish the same thing in versions F8 and before. This page needs to be edited and converted (all the way to the "DRAFT BELOW HERE" header). I'm going to try to be up in my office space today so I'll be monitoring the IRC channel and e-mail. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide/LUKSDiskEncryption -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH+KnFL5V8yddJCO0RAiSpAJ9BhZwOwE6mtp1PQcumr+YeBAwkbQCeNWQl u7plXUbwFQj9ij52tS1OyQg= =mI+I -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 00:21:38 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:21:38 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Final Freeze coming--feature page updates needed] Message-ID: <47F96912.50004@redhat.com> This email was sent to all individual feature owners. I'm sending it a few other place to keep everyone in the loop and to route around those that have black-listed the feature wrangler's or are waiting for me to send post cards ;-) If you are depending on information about the features below you may want to set wiki page watches to track changes and updates Thanks, John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Final Freeze coming--feature page updates needed Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:17:34 -0700 From: John Poelstra Hello Feature People :) With final development freeze coming on Tuesday, April 8, 2008 (two days from now in most parts of the world--less in others), sadly this is one of the last times you'll be able to receive nag mail from me for Fedora 9. ;-) Final Development Freeze, defined here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ReleaseEngineering/FinalFreezePolicy means that all features must be at 100% completion by this date. Yes, we know "this is Fedora" and "stuff is never 100% done" and all the usual arguments about "what does percentage completion really mean, etc., etc.", but for the average user and members of the other Fedora teams it is important and very helpful to make one last update to your feature page... and for those that will still complain, please make some constructive suggestions for improving the process and lobby to change it for Fedora 10 :) These feature pages are pointed to by a lot by the press and used by many other teams to turn Fedora into a polished looking release so your help is greatly needed and appreciated. You have the distinct privilege of receiving this message because you are listed as the owner for one or more features that are not listed at 100% completion, though many are very close! http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureDictionary http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Ext4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureEncryptedFilesystems http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OneSecondX http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Firefox3 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/freeIPA http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XULRunner http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XenPvops http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/VirtStorage http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Upstart http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XserverOnePointFive http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureTexLive http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/SecondStageInstallSource http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RandrSupport http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PartitionResizing http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/K12Linux http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/JigdoRelease http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IMDesktopIntegration http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NewGdm I've received several questions in the past about what to do to bring a feature page to 100% or what to do if all the advertised things on the feature page can't be completed in time. Hopefully this helps... 1) If you implemented all of the things described on your feature page and the package is in rawhide, update to 100% 2) If you DID NOT implement all of the things described on your feature page a) change the feature page to reflect all the things you DID complete for Fedora 9 b) make sure the package is in rawhide c) update to 100% d) if you plan to do more unfinished exciting things in F10 move them to a new feature page 3) If your feature page will end up being empty or very brief in order to honestly say it is 100% done it probably should be removed from the Fedora 9 feature list. Simply change the category of your feature page to CategoryProposedFeature (from CategoryAcceptedFedora9) and let me know 4) If this is still confusing, please contact me :) Thanks for your help, John 'tired feature wrangler and yes this manual process is starting to not scale any more' Poelstra From noriko at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 04:41:32 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:41:32 +1000 Subject: documentation-guide Message-ID: <47F9A5FC.6060709@redhat.com> Hi Paul and all As I can not see how to update pot and po files of the book for the change to be made on the source file, I have filed the bug#441190. In case it is already described somewhere and I just am not trying to find seriously, just smack me as usual. And if you could be so kind and point it for me it would be very very much appreciated. ah... wait. It just come up in my mind, this portion should be rather included in Translator Quick Start Guide or something else for translators? How you think? noriko From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 06:55:11 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 16:55:11 +1000 Subject: release notes for BZ 998 Message-ID: <95f1114b0804062355o74b8c97dxc6263244a90ef4a2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have no idea what the release notes for this should be: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=998 If anyone has any ideas, they would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From twoerner at redhat.com Mon Apr 7 08:09:44 2008 From: twoerner at redhat.com (Thomas Woerner) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:09:44 +0200 Subject: release notes schedule In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F9D6C8.7040901@redhat.com> Hello, is it possible to extend the release notes for F-9? The firewall behavior changed as announced in January: There are no default open ports besides SSH (this gets opened up by anaconda). Thanks, Thomas Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Looking at the schedule > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule), it has "10 April > F9 Preview Release", followed by a "FINAL" column. Following on, it > has "6 April Wiki relnotes frozen, commute diffs to CVS" and "7 April > POT files sent to L10N for translation ". Is this correct, or a typo? > > Thanks, > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > -- Thomas Woerner Software Engineer Phone: +49-711-96437-310 Red Hat GmbH Fax : +49-711-96437-111 Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: Thomas Woerner D-70178 Stuttgart Web : http://www.redhat.de/ From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 09:49:15 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:49:15 +1000 Subject: release notes schedule In-Reply-To: <47F9D6C8.7040901@redhat.com> References: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> <47F9D6C8.7040901@redhat.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804070249o4e67ee68hf48ab4e762abe8da@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: > Hello, > > is it possible to extend the release notes for F-9? > > The firewall behavior changed as announced in January: There are no default > open ports besides SSH (this gets opened up by anaconda). > > Thanks, > Thomas Hi Thomas, I have been making changes today...there are still over 12 hours until they are due for L10N, so if you could add the text here, or on the wiki, that would be good. If someone doesn't get it, I'll try to grab it in the morning. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > > Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Looking at the schedule > > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule), it has "10 April > > F9 Preview Release", followed by a "FINAL" column. Following on, it > > has "6 April Wiki relnotes frozen, commute diffs to CVS" and "7 April > > POT files sent to L10N for translation ". Is this correct, or a typo? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Murray. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > > > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > > > > > > -- > Thomas Woerner > Software Engineer Phone: +49-711-96437-310 > Red Hat GmbH Fax : +49-711-96437-111 > Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: Thomas Woerner > D-70178 Stuttgart Web : http://www.redhat.de/ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Mon Apr 7 16:54:18 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:54:18 +0100 Subject: Get Support link? Message-ID: <1207587258.6123.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, I have no idea if there is any call for this or not, but I've just whacked together a draft of something that I think might be useful. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport It's basically a landing page for anybody new to Fedora, who is a *user*, and wants to get some help. Currently, the links Documentation and Communicate are a bit vague I think, and so I tried to create a page that pulls together content that is exclusively useful for new users. It tells them about #fedora, fedora-list, fedora forum, and docs.fp.o, explaining what they are where new users coming from Windows/Mac might be less familiar (i.e. IRC). It was partially inspired by my Dad! As I force my parents to use Fedora I asked their opinion on the start page/home page and on the FUG. They thought the FUG was excellent work, exactly what they needed, but the links on the start/home page weren't clearer enough on how to get help. With this in mind, I have also created a css mock-up for the home page based on the spins designs that incorporates an obvious, clear, get support link at the top :p. http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png Would love a bit of feedback, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 17:22:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:22:33 -0400 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1207588953.18157.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 07:54 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-04-05 at 09:59 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > I would make the point about date and time issues that people consider > > who should be there and who shouldn't. > > > > I mean if the average docs user should be present maybe change the day > > to a weekend if we can. 11am on Friday would mean I would be at work > > so > > I can't be there. If I don't need to be there then it's all good :) > > This is a good point to consider for those of us paid by RHT to be > present at the meeting. When we have meetings scheduled to happen > during business hours, we unconsciously exclude the non- at redhat.com > folks. > > In the end, we all get inconvenienced to some degree. My default over > the years has been to take the inconvenience on myself and others who > are here because of their $dayjob.[1] > > Sadly, this is actually the hardest with folks in Oz. Business hours in > the States are almost exactly the opposite of those in Australia, so > either people in the US have to attend during "work hours", or > vice-versa. > > Options: > > * Hold two meetings: > - one that lands in Aus/Singapore/other APAC working hours but is > after hours in the US/EMEA > - one that lands in the before/after hours for APAC but is in the > work-hours for the US/EMEA > > * Seek a 'perfect time' for each meeting using a time matrix > > - Karsten > [1] Easier and less risky than teaching people to tunnel IRC over ports > 80 or 42 I'm willing to meet during or after hours, but the real problem, as you said, is that people in Oz or other APAC are going to be hard pressed to meet at anytime that's "after hours" for Europe. The fact that IRC and the list make it easy to follow up on the conversation mitigate that problem quite a bit. I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for them. So, a new primary meet time could be: Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT Anyone? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 17:52:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:52:35 -0400 Subject: Get Support link? In-Reply-To: <1207587258.6123.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207587258.6123.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207590755.18157.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-04-07 at 17:54 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hi all, > > I have no idea if there is any call for this or not, but I've just > whacked together a draft of something that I think might be useful. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JonathanRoberts/GetSupport > > It's basically a landing page for anybody new to Fedora, who is a > *user*, and wants to get some help. Currently, the links Documentation > and Communicate are a bit vague I think, and so I tried to create a page > that pulls together content that is exclusively useful for new users. It > tells them about #fedora, fedora-list, fedora forum, and docs.fp.o, > explaining what they are where new users coming from Windows/Mac might > be less familiar (i.e. IRC). > > It was partially inspired by my Dad! As I force my parents to use Fedora > I asked their opinion on the start page/home page and on the FUG. They > thought the FUG was excellent work, exactly what they needed, but the > links on the start/home page weren't clearer enough on how to get help. > > With this in mind, I have also created a css mock-up for the home page > based on the spins designs that incorporates an obvious, clear, get > support link at the top :p. > > http://jonrob.fedorapeople.org/fp_home.png The word "support" is unfortunately loaded with meanings we may not intend -- but I think "Get help" works great. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In the > past, we've never stripped out any old names. ... > The FDSCo should probably decide on a policy in Wednesday's meeting, but > it would be good to hear what the L10N and Docs communities think. > > Why not add a colophon to Install guide and other documents too? -- Francesco Tombolini Key fingerprint = EDA9 7504 AA93 CEFC 5990 1356 8584 6B05 F140 5F73 http://www.adamantio.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mkim at redhat.com Wed Apr 9 05:34:36 2008 From: mkim at redhat.com (Michelle Kim) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:34:36 +1000 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207588953.18157.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1207588953.18157.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47FC556C.3020208@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ? ?: > > I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who > need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for > them. So, a new primary meet time could be: > > Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane > = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT > > Anyone? > Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend. Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am. Thanks, Michelle From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 06:06:19 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:06:19 +1000 Subject: publican tips Message-ID: <95f1114b0804082306u432506cfjf599e00ff1cca354@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have been getting mails about tips for docbook/publican, such as chunking output, conditional tags etc. Since the publican documentation isn't really a how-to for DocBook, I wanted to add a page to the Fedora wiki, so that everyone could see these... If no one objects, I'll try to add another page, such as http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Publican/Publican-Tips Thanks! Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 07:18:46 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:18:46 +1000 Subject: publican tips In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804082306u432506cfjf599e00ff1cca354@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804082306u432506cfjf599e00ff1cca354@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804090018u4444693ajc2b7edbb5be680@mail.gmail.com> I did not realize these were publican specific items...so the content will be added (eventually) to: https://fedorahosted.org/publican - Murray. On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 4:06 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I have been getting mails about tips for docbook/publican, such as > chunking output, conditional tags etc. Since the publican > documentation isn't really a how-to for DocBook, I wanted to add a > page to the Fedora wiki, so that everyone could see these... > > If no one objects, I'll try to add another page, such as > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Publican/Publican-Tips > > Thanks! > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 12:41:56 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:41:56 +0000 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <47FC556C.3020208@redhat.com> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1207588953.18157.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47FC556C.3020208@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1207744916.5428.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 15:34 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote: > Paul W. Frields ? ?: > > > > I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who > > need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for > > them. So, a new primary meet time could be: > > > > Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane > > = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT > > > > Anyone? > > > Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend. > Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am. I am fine with a Friday (BNE)/Thursday (US) time. I don't think this is really an "average docs user" conference, because we're going to be talking about how the Makefile internals work and what technical issues need to be resolved to integrate Publican into our Docs toolchain (along with l10n issues). People who aren't experienced in how all that works will probably glean just as much from the logs, which of course we can post here per usual. That's just my opinion... suggestions? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 12:50:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:50:38 +0000 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <47FBB67C.5080702@adamantio.net> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47FBB67C.5080702@adamantio.net> Message-ID: <1207745438.5428.101.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 20:16 +0200, Francesco Tombolini wrote: > Paul W. Frields ha scritto: > > Our release notes "Colophon," which lists all the people who have > > contributed to the Release Notes, always accumulates names. In the > > past, we've never stripped out any old names. > ... > > The FDSCo should probably decide on a policy in Wednesday's meeting, but > > it would be good to hear what the L10N and Docs communities think. > > > > > > Why not add a colophon to Install guide and other documents too? It's a lot easier to add this stuff than to maintain it. Witness the fact that no one's swept the Colophon beat for the release notes. So while I agree in principle, it needs to be backed up by elbow grease. :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We've completely eliminated the need for GPG keys, and the SSH key isn't even needed unless you're going to do source code or websites work, or use fedorapeople.org. If anyone needs guidance on how to change, IRC Freenode #fedora-websites is probably the place to go. Anyone want to be responsible for fixing this page? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 16:01:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:01:03 -0400 Subject: Late string Message-ID: <1207756863.5428.223.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have one new string we really should include in the Release Notes for F9 GA. I'm sorry to bring this in late -- I should have included it yesterday but missed the change from an email someone sent me. I've added it to the wiki PackageNotes beat, but it will add 1 untranslated string to the POT. Does anyone have very strong objections to the change? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 9 23:59:13 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:59:13 -0700 Subject: Docs toolchain In-Reply-To: <1207744916.5428.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1207278188.4750.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207323445.4421.8.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1207356700.6315.36.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207360777.3236.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1207407250.4585.172.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1207588953.18157.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47FC556C.3020208@redhat.com> <1207744916.5428.93.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1207785553.4585.454.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 12:41 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-04-09 at 15:34 +1000, Michelle Kim wrote: > > Paul W. Frields ? ?: > > > > > > I'm open to changing the date, no problem. The folks in Red Hat BNE who > > > need to be involved should let us know here if that's a problem for > > > them. So, a new primary meet time could be: > > > > > > Saturday, 10 May 2008, 0100 UTC/1100 Brisbane > > > = Friday, 09 May 2008, 2100 EDT/1800 PDT > > > > > > Anyone? > > > > > Folks in Brisbane told me that they can't make it during the day on Saturday and I understand nobody wants to be working on the weekend. > > Can we make it on Weekdays instead? Friday 11am would be better than Saturday 11am. > > I am fine with a Friday (BNE)/Thursday (US) time. I guess we'll go for whatever gets the most essential people here. I'd suggest Sunday/Monday, since so many of the US and EMEA based Docs folks have been kind enough to meet on Sundays before, but that leaves out the folks in APAC who cannot meet during 9-to-5 work hours. (Sorry Marc :( ) As I said before, I can do Thursday as long as it is late enough in the day Pacific Time. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 11:10:28 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:10:28 +1000 Subject: new mailing list: publican-announce-list Message-ID: <95f1114b0804100410k78414ce8o33777e82ea57e4f4@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I am pleased to announce a new mailing list, publican-announce-list, which will be used for Publican announcements. It would be fantastic if all writers and translator join. Use the following link to subscribe to publican-announce-list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-announce-list Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From twoerner at redhat.com Thu Apr 10 11:13:42 2008 From: twoerner at redhat.com (Thomas Woerner) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:13:42 +0200 Subject: release notes schedule In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804070249o4e67ee68hf48ab4e762abe8da@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804052329m730306dehfd6a67e9065780e3@mail.gmail.com> <47F9D6C8.7040901@redhat.com> <95f1114b0804070249o4e67ee68hf48ab4e762abe8da@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47FDF666.6050802@redhat.com> Hi, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 6:09 PM, Thomas Woerner wrote: >> Hello, >> >> is it possible to extend the release notes for F-9? >> >> The firewall behavior changed as announced in January: There are no default >> open ports besides SSH (this gets opened up by anaconda). >> >> Thanks, >> Thomas > > Hi Thomas, > > I have been making changes today...there are still over 12 hours until > they are due for L10N, so if you could add the text here, or on the > wiki, that would be good. If someone doesn't get it, I'll try to grab > it in the morning. > Thanks for adding it - I for myself would have missed the deadline. Thanks, Thomas > Regards, > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > > > >> >> Murray McAllister wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Looking at the schedule >>> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule), it has "10 April >>> F9 Preview Release", followed by a "FINAL" column. Following on, it >>> has "6 April Wiki relnotes frozen, commute diffs to CVS" and "7 April >>> POT files sent to L10N for translation ". Is this correct, or a typo? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Murray. >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] >>> Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB >>> Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) >> >>> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Thomas Woerner >> Software Engineer Phone: +49-711-96437-310 >> Red Hat GmbH Fax : +49-711-96437-111 >> Hauptstaetterstr. 58 Email: Thomas Woerner >> D-70178 Stuttgart Web : http://www.redhat.de/ >> >> -- >> fedora-docs-list mailing list >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list >> > From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 22:20:54 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:20:54 +1000 Subject: do not join [was Re: new mailing list: publican-announce-list Message-ID: <95f1114b0804101520r39c265bfyc369459852c94e8d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Apologies for any inconvenience. Please don't join the list mentioned below, as there is going to be some changes. Thanks, Murray. On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I am pleased to announce a new mailing list, publican-announce-list, > which will be used for Publican announcements. > > It would be fantastic if all writers and translator join. > > Use the following link to subscribe to publican-announce-list: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-announce-list > > Kind Regards, > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Apr 11 11:42:02 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:42:02 +1000 Subject: Publican Mailing List Message-ID: <95f1114b0804110442s5c8a76c9g7dc1689d6fea28a5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Apologies for screwing this up. The new list name is publican-list at redhat.com. This should not affect anyone who has already signed up, and it appears the memberships carried over... publican-list is used to report the current version, upgrades and changes, bugs fixes, and for Publican discussions. Thanks for your support, and apologies for any confusion. If you have not already, please sign up here: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 22:55:19 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:55:19 +1000 Subject: web-only Release Notes Message-ID: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, "17 April 2008 - Final Wiki snapshot for Web-only relnotes errata" If I have [relnotes] mail, should I be adding this to the Wiki now, before the freeze on the 17th? - Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi Sun Apr 13 00:28:10 2008 From: vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi (Ville-Pekka Vainio) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 03:28:10 +0300 Subject: Warning! I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot Message-ID: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Hi, I'm really sorry, but while committing my fi.po I also accidentally committed a new version of release-notes.pot. That happened because I didn't specify fi.po in the commit command. I didn't revert the change to prevent any more damage from happening. Here's the diff compared to the previous, "correct", version: Index: release-notes.pot =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/po/release-notes.pot,v retrieving revision 1.42 retrieving revision 1.43 diff -u -r1.42 -r1.43 --- release-notes.pot 9 Apr 2008 21:32:15 -0000 1.42 +++ release-notes.pot 13 Apr 2008 00:20:04 -0000 1.43 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ msgid "" msgstr "" "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" -"POT-Creation-Date: 2008-04-09 17:28-0400\n" +"POT-Creation-Date: 2008-04-13 02:54+0300\n" "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n" "Last-Translator: FULL NAME \n" "Language-Team: LANGUAGE \n" @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ msgstr "" #: en_US/Kernel.xml:19(para) -msgid "This section covers changes and important information regarding the 2.6.24 based kernel in Fedora 9. The 2.6.24 kernel includes:" +msgid "This section covers changes and important information regarding the 2.6.25rc based kernel in Fedora 9. The 2.6.25rc kernel includes:" msgstr "" #: en_US/Kernel.xml:26(para) As to why this happened and what changed the pot file, I have no idea. But somehow it looks like that's the way it should be? Could someone take a look at this? -- Ville-Pekka Vainio From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 05:35:01 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:35:01 +1000 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering Message-ID: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? Thanks for your help, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Sun Apr 13 07:00:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:00:16 -0700 Subject: Warning! I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot In-Reply-To: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> References: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Message-ID: <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 03:28 +0300, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: > Hi, > > I'm really sorry, but while committing my fi.po I also accidentally committed > a new version of release-notes.pot. That happened because I didn't specify > fi.po in the commit command. I didn't revert the change to prevent any more > damage from happening. Here's the diff compared to the previous, "correct", > version: No reverting necessary, perhaps; see below. > Index: release-notes.pot > =================================================================== > RCS file: /cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/po/release-notes.pot,v > retrieving revision 1.42 > retrieving revision 1.43 > diff -u -r1.42 -r1.43 > --- release-notes.pot 9 Apr 2008 21:32:15 -0000 1.42 > +++ release-notes.pot 13 Apr 2008 00:20:04 -0000 1.43 > @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ > msgid "" > msgstr "" > "Project-Id-Version: PACKAGE VERSION\n" > -"POT-Creation-Date: 2008-04-09 17:28-0400\n" > +"POT-Creation-Date: 2008-04-13 02:54+0300\n" > "PO-Revision-Date: YEAR-MO-DA HO:MI+ZONE\n" > "Last-Translator: FULL NAME \n" > "Language-Team: LANGUAGE \n" > @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ > msgstr "" > > #: en_US/Kernel.xml:19(para) > -msgid "This section covers changes and important information regarding the > 2.6.24 based kernel in Fedora 9. The 2.6.24 kernel includes:" > +msgid "This section covers changes and important information regarding the > 2.6.25rc based kernel in Fedora 9. The 2.6.25rc kernel includes:" > msgstr "" > > #: en_US/Kernel.xml:26(para) > > As to why this happened and what changed the pot file, I have no idea. But > somehow it looks like that's the way it should be? Could someone take a look > at this? Yesterday I updated the file en_US/Kernel.xml with the (more correct) kernel version. The plan was to update the PO files by hand after translators were finished. It didn't occur to me that if anyone updated their XML files and rebuilt locally, they could generate a new POT file. In hindsight, it would have been a good idea for me to announce the XML change so people could ignore it. Now that we have a changed POT committed, what is the best thing to do in terms of: * CVS best practice * PO/POT best practice Open for ideas ... - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sun Apr 13 07:04:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:04:16 -0700 Subject: web-only Release Notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208070256.5019.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 08:55 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > "17 April 2008 - Final Wiki snapshot for Web-only relnotes errata" > > If I have [relnotes] mail, should I be adding this to the Wiki now, > before the freeze on the 17th? Yes. In fact, it occurred to me the other day to tell you that commuting changes from the wiki to XML can be done at any time up to and through the freeze. If you commute changes from the wiki "too early", you risk having to redo it a bit. But it might save time and worry to e.g. update the XML in daily batches. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 08:02:11 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:02:11 +1000 Subject: web-only Release Notes In-Reply-To: <1208070256.5019.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> <1208070256.5019.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804130102u69a9e94dldff3eb6167102bf7@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 08:55 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > "17 April 2008 - Final Wiki snapshot for Web-only relnotes errata" > > > > If I have [relnotes] mail, should I be adding this to the Wiki now, > > before the freeze on the 17th? > > Yes. > > In fact, it occurred to me the other day to tell you that commuting > changes from the wiki to XML can be done at any time up to and through > the freeze. If you commute changes from the wiki "too early", you risk > having to redo it a bit. But it might save time and worry to e.g. > update the XML in daily batches. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 Thanks, If I keep committing changes now (to XML), won't it mess up translations? - Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Apr 13 11:18:42 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:18:42 +0300 Subject: Warning! I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot In-Reply-To: <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <6d4237680804130418p7b915b98rbbfc086c4482d43a@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 03:28 +0300, Ville-Pekka Vainio wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm really sorry, but while committing my fi.po I also accidentally committed > > a new version of release-notes.pot. That happened because I didn't specify > > fi.po in the commit command. I didn't revert the change to prevent any more > > damage from happening. > > Yesterday I updated the file en_US/Kernel.xml with the (more correct) > kernel version. The plan was to update the PO files by hand after > translators were finished. It didn't occur to me that if anyone updated > their XML files and rebuilt locally, they could generate a new POT file. > > In hindsight, it would have been a good idea for me to announce the XML > change so people could ignore it. > > Now that we have a changed POT committed, what is the best thing to do > in terms of: > > * CVS best practice > * PO/POT best practice Looking at the stats [1], I think a personal email to the people who contributed relnotes in languages that went 99% (Spanish, Serbian) would make things look slick again. -d [1]: https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Apr 13 11:19:44 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:19:44 +0300 Subject: Warning! I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot In-Reply-To: <6d4237680804130418p7b915b98rbbfc086c4482d43a@mail.gmail.com> References: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6d4237680804130418p7b915b98rbbfc086c4482d43a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6d4237680804130419s4fe7b498nd104b57683668ec2@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > Now that we have a changed POT committed, what is the best thing to do > > in terms of: > > > > * CVS best practice > > * PO/POT best practice > > Looking at the stats [1], I think a personal email to the people who > contributed relnotes in languages that went 99% (Spanish, Serbian) > would make things look slick again. Oops, that should read "Polish, Spanish". -d > [1]: https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From kwade at redhat.com Sun Apr 13 14:42:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 07:42:00 -0700 Subject: web-only Release Notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804130102u69a9e94dldff3eb6167102bf7@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> <1208070256.5019.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0804130102u69a9e94dldff3eb6167102bf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208097720.5019.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 18:02 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > If I keep committing changes now (to XML), won't it mess up translations? Sorry, you are right! I keep forgetting that we are all working in the same /devel ... The risky part is if a new POT file is built and committed. Otherwise, it wouldn't mess up the translation %, aiui. Paul -- how have we handled this in the past? At the least, you could do the work in your local checkout and not commit until after PO freeze. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 16:07:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:07:35 -0400 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 15:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do > you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? > > Thanks for your help, > > Murray. I wrote this up yesterday in a few spare minutes between housecleaning and company arriving: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/ReleaseNotesHowto Please read -- and more importantly, tell me what's not clear so I can make it better. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 16:10:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:10:19 -0400 Subject: web-only Release Notes In-Reply-To: <1208097720.5019.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <95f1114b0804121555w2467be37re8ff4212f71019e@mail.gmail.com> <1208070256.5019.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0804130102u69a9e94dldff3eb6167102bf7@mail.gmail.com> <1208097720.5019.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1208103019.12617.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 07:42 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 18:02 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > If I keep committing changes now (to XML), won't it mess up translations? > > Sorry, you are right! I keep forgetting that we are all working in the > same /devel ... > > The risky part is if a new POT file is built and committed. Otherwise, > it wouldn't mess up the translation %, aiui. > > Paul -- how have we handled this in the past? > > At the least, you could do the work in your local checkout and not > commit until after PO freeze. You've got it right -- we generally don't commit anything into XML (that we can't fix in the PO ourselves) until after we've picked up PO for the Gold/GA release, built the SRPM, and shipped it for the release. If there are number changes or other trivial fixes that we can fix in the PO files without bothering translators, that's OK. Then we commit any new *substantive* changes into XML and ship a new POT for the translators to work on for the zero-day release. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot In-Reply-To: <6d4237680804130419s4fe7b498nd104b57683668ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6d4237680804130418p7b915b98rbbfc086c4482d43a@mail.gmail.com> <6d4237680804130419s4fe7b498nd104b57683668ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804131554q31cc7160i64e2e46d5702d22b@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > Now that we have a changed POT committed, what is the best thing to do > > > in terms of: > > > > > > * CVS best practice > > > * PO/POT best practice > > > > Looking at the stats [1], I think a personal email to the people who > > contributed relnotes in languages that went 99% (Spanish, Serbian) > > would make things look slick again. > > Oops, that should read "Polish, Spanish". > > > > -d > > > > [1]: https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes > Hi, I sent a few reminders for the ones that were almost complete. Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From ryanlerch at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 03:10:22 2008 From: ryanlerch at gmail.com (ryan lerch) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:10:22 +1000 Subject: Self Introduction: Ryan Lerch Message-ID: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> Full Name: Ryan John Lerch Location: Brisbane, Australia (UTC+10) Personal Goals for Fedora Docs: My motivation for joining the fedora docs team is to learn more about fedora, tech writing and documentation toolchaining while being able to give something back to the community. However, I am a little unsure how I would like to (or can) contribute to the fedora-docs project. The first area that jumps out at me is the Desktop User Guide (?Fedora User Guide?) Historical qualifications: Other projects that I help out on are Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) and The openclipart library (http://openclipart.org/) Over at Inkscape, I help out with writing docs and tutorials, bug triaging and responding to the question tracker. I finished my Bachelor of Information Technology majoring in Software Engineering and Multimedia in 2003. I'm a fairly new fedora user (< 12 months) so I hope i can provide an insight for other new users after making the switch to a free and open source operating system. GPG Details: *************************************************************** pub 1024D/82F6508F 2008-04-04 Key fingerprint = 267A 59E3 5044 F498 80D4 A7F1 6E2D DE67 82F6 508F uid Ryan Lerch sub 2048g/4F81E62A 2008-04-04 *************************************************************** regards, ryanlerch ryanlerch at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 03:40:24 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:40:24 +1000 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 15:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do > > you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > Murray. > > I wrote this up yesterday in a few spare minutes between housecleaning > and company arriving: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/ReleaseNotesHowto > > Please read -- and more importantly, tell me what's not clear so I can > make it better. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug Thanks for writing that up. I have a few questions: * "For Fedora 9, the version numbers 9, 9.0, 9.0.0, 9.0.1, and so on, are all acceptable." - I thought I saw you putting 8.92 into something...is that still okay? At the moment the spec file has 8.92 * In the "Building" section, "You can then carry the .src.rpm file to the Fedora Package CVS, in the fedora-release-notes/devel module, and run cvs-import.sh to update everything automatically.". Where is the "cvs-import" script, and will running "cvs-import" carry the source RPM, do do I use cvs import for that? * "make tag build" - is this all I have to do? * Once translation is complete, do I only need to run "make release-srpm"? Apologies for not understanding this. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 03:41:41 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:41:41 +1000 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804132041t4bb522em1dd30c3a52d516c@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 15:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do > > > you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > > Murray. > > > > I wrote this up yesterday in a few spare minutes between housecleaning > > and company arriving: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/ReleaseNotesHowto > > > > Please read -- and more importantly, tell me what's not clear so I can > > make it better. > > > > -- > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > Thanks for writing that up. I have a few questions: > > * "For Fedora 9, the version numbers 9, 9.0, 9.0.0, 9.0.1, and so on, > are all acceptable." - I thought I saw you putting 8.92 into > something...is that still okay? At the moment the spec file has 8.92 > > * In the "Building" section, "You can then carry the .src.rpm file to > the Fedora Package CVS, in the fedora-release-notes/devel module, and > run cvs-import.sh to update everything automatically.". > Where is the "cvs-import" script, and will running "cvs-import" carry > the source RPM, do do I use cvs import for that? > > * "make tag build" - is this all I have to do? > > * Once translation is complete, do I only need to run "make release-srpm"? > Also, do I need anything special to use "make mockbuild"? I couldn't find the make target for this. Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 04:11:31 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:11:31 +1000 Subject: Self Introduction: Ryan Lerch In-Reply-To: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> References: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804132111r3e892190tb4ee700c92a5e02f@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM, ryan lerch wrote: > > > Full Name: > Ryan John Lerch > > > Location: > Brisbane, Australia (UTC+10) > > Personal Goals for Fedora Docs: > My motivation for joining the fedora docs team is to learn more about > fedora, tech writing and documentation toolchaining while being able to give > something back to the community. However, I am a little unsure how I would > like to (or can) contribute to the fedora-docs project. The first area that > jumps out at me is the Desktop User Guide (?Fedora User Guide?) > > Historical qualifications: > Other projects that I help out on are Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) and > The openclipart library (http://openclipart.org/) Over at Inkscape, I help > out with writing docs and tutorials, bug triaging and responding to the > question tracker. I finished my Bachelor of Information Technology majoring > in Software Engineering and Multimedia in 2003. I'm a fairly new fedora user > (< 12 months) so I hope i can provide an insight for other new users after > making the switch to a free and open source operating system. > > > GPG Details: > *************************************************************** > pub 1024D/82F6508F 2008-04-04 > Key fingerprint = 267A 59E3 5044 F498 80D4 A7F1 6E2D DE67 82F6 508F > uid Ryan Lerch > sub 2048g/4F81E62A 2008-04-04 > *************************************************************** > > regards, > ryanlerch > ryanlerch at gmail.com Hey Ryan, Thanks for joining...I'm also in Brisbane. Probably best to ask someone else, but I'm pretty sure you can edit/add what you like to the wiki, and then that content is converted to XML at the end. Regarding the Desktop User Guide, there is a table of what is happening at the bottom of the page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide There is also an Admin Guide, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide, which at the moment is missing a few sections. The sections marked "Edit-Ready" need someone other than the original person who wrote it, go over it and make sure it makes sense, spelling, grammar etc. There a guidelines for wiki editing here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#MarkingTechnicalTerms I'm sure someone else will have better ideas. Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 14 05:33:41 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:33:41 +1000 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804132041t4bb522em1dd30c3a52d516c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0804132041t4bb522em1dd30c3a52d516c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804132233p18ac98fp739b3c34b4638d72@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Murray McAllister > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 15:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do > > > > you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? > > > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > > > > Murray. > > > > > > I wrote this up yesterday in a few spare minutes between housecleaning > > > and company arriving: > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/ReleaseNotesHowto > > > > > > Please read -- and more importantly, tell me what's not clear so I can > > > make it better. > > > > > > -- > > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > > Thanks for writing that up. I have a few questions: > > > > * "For Fedora 9, the version numbers 9, 9.0, 9.0.0, 9.0.1, and so on, > > are all acceptable." - I thought I saw you putting 8.92 into > > something...is that still okay? At the moment the spec file has 8.92 > > > > * In the "Building" section, "You can then carry the .src.rpm file to > > the Fedora Package CVS, in the fedora-release-notes/devel module, and > > run cvs-import.sh to update everything automatically.". > > Where is the "cvs-import" script, and will running "cvs-import" carry > > the source RPM, do do I use cvs import for that? > > > > * "make tag build" - is this all I have to do? > > > > * Once translation is complete, do I only need to run "make release-srpm"? > > > > Also, do I need anything special to use "make mockbuild"? I couldn't > find the make target for this. > > Cheers, > Apologies for all the obvious questions. Is someone who has done this before going to be around when I need to build the SRPM? I'm not sure I can decipher the, sigh, gnome docbook/xml tool error messages, or if anything funny pops up in a po file... Thanks for your help, - Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Mon Apr 14 06:07:08 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:07:08 -0700 Subject: Warning! I accidentally committed a change to release-notes devel pot In-Reply-To: <6d4237680804130419s4fe7b498nd104b57683668ec2@mail.gmail.com> References: <200804130328.12170.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> <1208070016.5019.16.camel@calliope.phig.org> <6d4237680804130418p7b915b98rbbfc086c4482d43a@mail.gmail.com> <6d4237680804130419s4fe7b498nd104b57683668ec2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208153228.5019.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 14:19 +0300, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > > Looking at the stats [1], I think a personal email to the people who > > contributed relnotes in languages that went 99% (Spanish, Serbian) > > would make things look slick again. > > Oops, that should read "Polish, Spanish". Did it, thanks. I also sent an update to f-trans-announce. Do you think we should request all of FDSCo to get automatic posting status for f-trans-announce? It might be a good idea, since we tend to post timely announcements that suffer from a delay. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:40:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:12 -0400 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080415014012.GB13763@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:40:24PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:07 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-04-13 at 15:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I didn't do [subject] last time. What is the procedure for this? Do > > > you just checkin the .srpm and .spec files to CVS? > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > > > > Murray. > > > > I wrote this up yesterday in a few spare minutes between housecleaning > > and company arriving: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/ReleaseNotesHowto > > > > Please read -- and more importantly, tell me what's not clear so I can > > make it better. > > Thanks for writing that up. I have a few questions: > > * "For Fedora 9, the version numbers 9, 9.0, 9.0.0, 9.0.1, and so on, > are all acceptable." - I thought I saw you putting 8.92 into > something...is that still okay? At the moment the spec file has 8.92 That's right - I was using 8.92 for Beta. Once the PO file have come in -- since I always forget to it before I make the POT :-) -- I'll change the .spec file and the rpm-info.xml file to reflect 9.0.0 instead. > * In the "Building" section, "You can then carry the .src.rpm file to > the Fedora Package CVS, in the fedora-release-notes/devel module, and > run cvs-import.sh to update everything automatically.". > Where is the "cvs-import" script, and will running "cvs-import" carry > the source RPM, do do I use cvs import for that? The cvs-import.sh script is in the common files for Fedora Packages CVS -- it's not part of our build toolchain at all. You just run it against the .src.rpm and it does all the heavy lifting. This part I will probably handle this time, since I already have package maintainership there. (And in fact that's the one part of the responsibility I'd like to maintain, although I'm happy to have a co-maintainer.) Since people doing package-monkey duties need to have a better familiarity with the software maintenance policies, etc., I'd recommend that you try maintaining a small package yourself before taking this part on. I just wanted to make sure it was documented for posterity. Thanks for calling this part out for notice! > * "make tag build" - is this all I have to do? This is part of the package maintenance, but yes. You can read more at the Packaging pages: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging > * Once translation is complete, do I only need to run "make release-srpm"? Correct. > Apologies for not understanding this. None needed, thanks for helping and learning! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:40:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:33 -0400 Subject: release notes rpm to release engineering In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804132041t4bb522em1dd30c3a52d516c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804122235s1b6402devdcaabb331bcf0cc2@mail.gmail.com> <1208102855.12617.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0804132040p8b47aedj8442404b48d3daf0@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0804132041t4bb522em1dd30c3a52d516c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080415014033.GC13763@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:41:41PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Also, do I need anything special to use "make mockbuild"? I couldn't > find the make target for this. Also part of the packaging toolchain, so you probably needn't worry about it right now. This is explained at the Packaging project too, but generally you would need the 'mock' package installed. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers (That's a better URL than the last one I gave you, sorry!) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 15 01:40:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:45 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Ryan Lerch In-Reply-To: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> References: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080415014045.GD13763@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 01:10:22PM +1000, ryan lerch wrote: > Full Name: > Ryan John Lerch > > Location: > Brisbane, Australia (UTC+10) > > Personal Goals for Fedora Docs: > My motivation for joining the fedora docs team is to learn more about > fedora, tech writing and documentation toolchaining while being able to give > something back to the community. However, I am a little unsure how I would > like to (or can) contribute to the fedora-docs project. The first area that > jumps out at me is the Desktop User Guide (?Fedora User Guide?) Hi Ryan! We're overjoyed you could join us. The User Guide is a great place to start working. I think there are some areas that still need wordsmithing and checking. We do have a Style Guide that we use for keeping a consistent voice: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide So if you wanted to look through that, you could try to match the voice of some of the un-edited chapters/pages with the ones that are already done. There is a Fedora 8 branch and a Fedora 9 branch so you could either work on the known quantity (F8) or the next-generation version. > Historical qualifications: > Other projects that I help out on are Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) and > The openclipart library (http://openclipart.org/) Over at Inkscape, I help > out with writing docs and tutorials, bug triaging and responding to the > question tracker. I finished my Bachelor of Information Technology majoring > in Software Engineering and Multimedia in 2003. I'm a fairly new fedora user > (< 12 months) so I hope i can provide an insight for other new users after > making the switch to a free and open source operating system. Ooo, an art guy! Hopefully you've already found the Artwork Project, too, then. I know your Brisbane location makes it harder to hook up with USA folks dueo the timezone difference. But if you're boggled by where to start, drop by IRC Freenode (irc.freenode.net) at channel #fedora-docs and we'll be happy to help get you started. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Apr 15 09:37:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:07:15 +0530 Subject: Self Introduction: Ryan Lerch In-Reply-To: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> References: <671a617b0804132010j3e25d6e2rfeb8696d09a86878@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4804774B.2000505@fedoraproject.org> ryan lerch wrote: > Full Name: > Ryan John Lerch > > Historical qualifications: > Other projects that I help out on are Inkscape (http://inkscape.org/) > and The openclipart library (http://openclipart.org/) Over at Inkscape, > I help out with writing docs and tutorials, bug triaging and responding > to the question tracker. This specifically has my attention. In case you have time left after the docs and art work, it would be great to have more people actively participating in bug triaging after the recent re-launch. We desperately need more people there. http:///fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers. Catch us on #fedora-qa and welcome to Fedora. Rahul From couf at skynet.be Thu Apr 17 07:34:45 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:34:45 +0200 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-04-16 IRC log Message-ID: <1208417685.6568.1.camel@localhost> 21:10 < quaid> 21:10 * lfoppiano is ready ;-) 21:10 * quaid is a present Karsten 21:10 * glezos waves 21:10 * couf greets you all 21:10 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- roll call 21:11 * couf Bart Couvreur 21:11 * quaid has the perpetual agenda in front of him 21:11 * couf needs to run in 20min :-/ 21:11 < quaid> I do have an item or two to put in front, then 21:12 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- Installation Guide all-hands on deck? 21:12 < quaid> our window for the IG and translation viz. the release is closing rapidly 21:12 -!- RenaultR83 [n=couretca at AToulon-151-1-128-115.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:12 < quaid> and we may need a fast and furious effort to finish edits and out the door for l10n 21:13 < quaid> I was hoping EvilBob was available to statitize us? 21:13 * jsmith hasn't seen him 21:13 < quaid> it's middle of day there, might be on a job 21:14 < quaid> OK, it's nearing the end of Wed. 16 April 21:14 < couf> I know he was working on it in gobby, not sure what the status is 21:14 < quaid> right, there is something to update 21:14 < quaid> we just haven't seen it in CVS 21:14 < quaid> unfortunately we never did a final schedule for guides 21:14 < quaid> so it's not here http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule 21:15 < quaid> but the usual "ten days" may/may not be sufficient for l10n of the IG 21:15 < quaid> presuming it is, we need to drop the POT over the weekend 21:15 < quaid> if we had changes in CVS we could begin to get an idea of how fuzzy and new it is 21:16 < glezos> quaid: how different is the F9 IG from F8? 21:16 < quaid> dunno 21:16 < quaid> haven't seen changes 21:16 < quaid> iirc 21:16 < couf> hmm, probably a section on pre-upgrade 21:16 < quaid> the changes aren't that big, but there is new stuff in Anaconda 21:16 < jsmith> Including the encryption stuff 21:16 < couf> and the resizing 21:16 < glezos> quaid: I guess delivering IG in translated versions couldn't hurt being delayed a few days, if needed. 21:16 < quaid> ok 21:17 < couf> I tend to agree 21:17 < quaid> but let's shoot for better than that, unless it means missing content features 21:17 * quaid hates shipping beta docs with GA 21:17 < quaid> but, you know, it's open sourcery and all that :) 21:18 < quaid> we can do rolling rebuilds and posts to the website so it gets progressively better :) 21:18 < quaid> ok, action: 21:18 < quaid> by this time Thursday we need to get all changes in CVS 21:18 < quaid> so we can do an estimate on what needs to be done 21:18 < quaid> and put as many resources in Bob's hands 21:18 < quaid> to get this done 21:18 * quaid doesn't know, maybe it's all done already :) 21:19 < couf> no CVS changes yet 21:20 < couf> ow hang, on, there are some 21:20 < quaid> since March? 21:21 < couf> well, I was looking since F8, since 19 March not anymore 21:21 < quaid> only l10n 21:21 < quaid> on F-8 21:22 < quaid> right oh 21:22 < couf> right 21:22 < quaid> anything more on this? 21:22 * quaid added these items to the agenda page btw 21:23 < quaid> onward => 21:24 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- Recruiting, retention -- training and self-documentation in the post-F9 world 21:24 < couf> go 21:24 < quaid> I'm sort of answering my own question in that topic 21:24 < quaid> but ... 21:24 < quaid> quick story: 21:25 < quaid> we have more people on the team, and as always, more to write about 21:25 < quaid> ironically, Paul is finding a bit less time to work on stuff; folks like mdious are balancing this by coming in and sucking our brains dry for knowledge 21:25 -!- red_alert [n=ill at fedora/redalert] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:26 < quaid> and once we get our heads above release waters (flood) 21:26 < quaid> was thinking we could spend a month or so working on our own training materials and self-docs 21:26 < jsmith> I think that would be great 21:26 < quaid> (simultaneous with wiki migration, etc.) 21:26 < quaid> we've actually a fair pile of training materials 21:27 < jsmith> It would help people like me who feel very much out of the loop because we dont' understand how things work yet 21:27 < quaid> and we can film Docs how-to sessions at FUDCon, then use those for new folks 21:27 < quaid> exactamente 21:27 < quaid> folks like stickster, couf, glezos, and me need to have others who are willing 21:27 < quaid> help us pour outwards what is trapped in the brains 21:27 < couf> aye 21:28 < quaid> I hope glezos GSoC projects will help with that, growing the brains who understand DL/Tx on the l10n side 21:28 -!- marek_ [n=pyxel at sativa.morph.sk] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:28 < glezos> quaid: that's the goal. create a community around our tools, etc. 21:28 < glezos> +1 for howtos.. And screencasts maybe..? :) 21:28 < quaid> and if e.g. we do get hooked up with a tech writing class, having the full curriculum ready to go is going to be a major incentive to instructors/professors, and enabler to success 21:29 < quaid> glezos: +1 21:29 -!- marek [n=pyxel at fedora/pyxel] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:29 < jsmith> absolutely! 21:29 < jsmith> +2 from me 21:29 < quaid> did anyone see dmalcolm's docbook-lint? 21:29 < couf> yeah, that's a very neet thing 21:29 < jsmith> I saw the announcement, but haven't looked at it yet 21:29 < quaid> from the description sounds good 21:29 < quaid> I think we have a revolution in toolchain on our hands, too 21:29 < couf> yep, would like to see that in the toolchain, eat our own dogfood 21:29 < quaid> all good timing to make automagic the obscure, etc. 21:30 < jsmith> Viva la revolucion! 21:30 < quaid> roll over dead rover! 21:30 * quaid thinks that was the wrong rally call ... 21:30 -!- marek_ is now known as marek 21:30 < couf> :) 21:30 < quaid> hmm, yeah, must remember to start talking toolchain in May 21:30 < quaid> we should be a bit ahead of the meeting with RHT Content Services folks, if we can 21:31 < quaid> ok, action: 21:31 < quaid> * focus on training and self-docs in post-F9 world is a good thing 21:31 < quaid> anything else on this 'un? 21:31 < stickster> Let's put some responsible people on the hook for this. 21:31 * quaid tried to get the important stuff in front for couf and others with wandering attention spans :) 21:31 < quaid> oh, yeah 21:31 < quaid> what have we got: 21:32 < quaid> * toolchain changes and documenting 21:32 < quaid> * overall procedures for write => publish 21:32 * couf wants to do some toolchain mastering 21:32 < quaid> * how to interact/work with the team 21:32 < quaid> couf: you are hired! 21:32 < quaid> any other functional areas for training/self-docs? 21:33 < quaid> presuming within each of those are: pages, videos, screencasts 21:33 < couf> if we get this out, it'll be a good start 21:33 < quaid> so, tools -- stickster already said he wants to do this, that, and the other; couf too 21:34 < stickster> I'd like to do: 21:34 < quaid> jsmith: will you work with me on the write => publish? 21:34 < stickster> * showing people how the Makefile works 21:34 < stickster> (Makefile.common, sorry) 21:34 < quaid> stickster: yes, sub to toolchain? 21:34 < stickster> * Fixing up a new toolchain that is less... hacky. 21:34 < stickster> We might start this as a fedorahosted project and go from there. 21:35 < stickster> This would not be a competitor to publican as much as surrounding stuff so people could use that or other tools. 21:35 < stickster> i.e. more meta than thou 21:35 < quaid> +1 21:35 < quaid> right, we need a toolchain that calls various stuff, including publican 21:35 < couf> sorry guys, need to bail out now 21:35 < stickster> It would be great if I could work on some toolchain issues now, but seeing as how it's looking like I'll be working on the IG shortly... no telling. 21:35 < quaid> we could rip out the parts that publican does and make that modular 21:35 -!- fugolini [n=francesc at host20-200-dynamic.22-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:36 < quaid> stickster: hold that thought, we'll see how it goes :) 21:36 < quaid> couf: ciao, thx 21:36 < stickster> Thanks couf 21:36 * couf keeps logging and will do a summary if no-one wants too 21:36 < quaid> jsmith: in addition to "write => publish" can you be, like, the Dean of Fedora Docs Tech College? 21:36 < quaid> couf: +1 thanks 21:37 < quaid> jsmith: not to be the do-all but to make sure we get all our gaps covered and it's nice 21:37 < stickster> Docs Whipmaster! 21:37 < quaid> we might be able to get a bit of help, e.g. get choke drunk at FUDCon and get him to promise to edit our videos :) 21:37 < stickster> Good luck with that. 21:37 < quaid> stickster: that's still me :) 21:38 < stickster> Man can hold his liquor. 21:38 < quaid> heh 21:38 * quaid has seen 21:38 < quaid> but sometimes we can fund a FUDpub like no one else 21:38 -!- uosiu [i=uosiu at 83.168.125.9] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:38 < uosiu> hi all 21:38 < quaid> ok, moving along ... 21:39 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- SSS punt to post F9 21:39 < quaid> this is one we didn't start working on early enough 21:39 < quaid> and it is now irrelevant for this release :) 21:39 -!- RenaultR83 [n=couretca at AToulon-151-1-128-115.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Connection timed out] 21:39 < quaid> except for the marketing stuff, but that happens anyway, so we can insert it etc. 21:39 < stickster> Yup, *sigh 21:39 -!- RenaultR83 [n=couretca at 86.197.193.254] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:39 < quaid> eh, we tried 21:39 < stickster> This doesn't really put us behind at least, 21:39 < quaid> nope 21:39 < stickster> just something we should try again earlier next time. 21:39 < quaid> and frees our minds a bit 21:39 < uosiu> am i wrong or ambassadors meeting will be in next half hour? 21:39 < quaid> sure, we'll get it dialed in post-F9 21:40 < quaid> because it will be relevant for ~6 weeks of post-release frenzy 21:40 < quaid> and always useful to Ambassadors 21:40 < quaid> oh, oh! 21:40 < quaid> this reminds me ... 21:40 < quaid> I need to make sure Marketing does the talking points so we can get the l10n-appropriate announcements in gear 21:41 < quaid> stickster: unless you can spout those off anyway and make it so? 21:41 < stickster> quaid: I think we're going to be hammering those out early next week in RDU 21:41 < quaid> ok 21:41 < quaid> maybe you guys can just finish the subset that count 21:41 < stickster> Is there someone doing a cute announcement yet? 21:41 < quaid> * talking points 21:41 < quaid> * press release 21:42 -!- awjb [i=awjb at we.have.lowlatency.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:42 < quaid> * cute announcement? 21:42 < quaid> not yet :) 21:42 < quaid> we need the talking points first, to be honest 21:42 < quaid> but getting someone on ... 21:42 < stickster> Very much so. 21:42 < quaid> how about 21:42 < quaid> jonrob isn't around, I nominate we ask him :) 21:42 < stickster> That's a great idea. 21:42 * quaid yawns and stretches and almost takes out the guy next to him at the cafe 21:43 < quaid> I'll email him and ask him if he wanna 21:43 -!- merouen [n=merouen at adsl196-251-212-206-196.adsl196-7.iam.net.ma] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:44 < glezos> action item: Encourage L10n folks to write their own announcements in a localized fashion (local idioms, etc). 21:44 < stickster> quaid: Super 21:44 < quaid> glezos: +1 thanks 21:45 < quaid> glezos: I want to get these points ready before announcing, I think 21:45 < quaid> and to fix up the "how to" pages 21:45 < glezos> quaid: we'll definitely need them before announcing. 21:45 < glezos> please please get them 1-2 days before. 21:46 < quaid> well, we could have this all ready for us by Wed of next week 21:46 < quaid> 23 April soon enough? 21:46 < glezos> quaid: sure. 21:47 < quaid> ok 21:47 < glezos> awesome 21:48 < jsmith> Sorry guys... I've gotta run... remote family showed up unexpectedly 21:48 < jsmith> (drove eight hours to get here too) 21:48 -!- jsmith is now known as jsmith-away 21:48 < stickster> quaid: I've got talking points on the agenda. 21:48 < stickster> sorry, my agenda for RDU 21:49 * stickster tries not to be confus{ed,ing} as he moves from virtdesktop to virtdesktop. 21:49 < stickster> OK, I have to jet too. Must work on a couple things before my preso tonight. 21:50 -!- viking-ice [n=johannbg at 157-157-83-101.dsl.dynamic.simnet.is] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:50 < quaid> ok 21:50 < quaid> stickster: I'm putting you guys on the hook for it on Marketing/Tasks 21:51 -!- fabian_a [n=fabian at 77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:51 * stickster needs another minder just to keep track of all the todo lists in different places. 21:52 -!- fab_ [n=fab at 77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:52 < merouen> hello , the EMEA meeting was canceled ? 21:52 -!- fab_ [n=fab at 77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Client Quit] 21:53 < glezos> stickster: freemind (java) maybe. 21:53 -!- fabian_a [n=fabian at 77-57-95-219.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fedora-meeting 21:53 < quaid> merouen: I think it's not yet 21:53 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 21:53 < merouen> all right 21:53 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel 21:54 < stickster> glezos: More to the point, it would be good if we had tickets for every old thing under the sun in a project-wide Trac. 21:54 < quaid> merouen: it's at 2000 UTC 21:54 < quaid> hmmm 21:54 < glezos> yeah.. (i thought personal todos) 21:54 < quaid> stickster: are you thinking ... 21:54 < merouen> ok 21:54 < quaid> stickster: fedorahosted.org/docs-land? 21:54 < stickster> The apps exist, we just need one for Fedora that's universally accessible and tracks to everyone through their personal favorite apps 21:54 < quaid> and put the toolchain in that? 21:54 < stickster> quaid: something like that 21:55 < quaid> right 21:55 < stickster> fedora-docs-tools 21:55 < quaid> make that part of "self-doc" :) 21:55 < stickster> or fedora-doc-utils 21:55 < quaid> yeah, separate projects is actually best 21:55 -!- Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: slack 21:55 < quaid> but aggregating the to-do lists, yes, that is the pita 21:55 < glezos> maybe fedora-docs-devel. 21:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: slack 21:56 < quaid> ;-P 21:56 < quaid> re-publican? 21:56 < quaid> ok, here, for the record: 21:56 * stickster smacks quaid ;-) 21:56 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- round up of content status 21:56 < quaid> IG - discussed 21:57 < quaid> relnotes - all built for GA? 9+ languages at 100% 21:57 < quaid> UG - love me! need to work on this *and* IG, but IG has to take precedent 21:57 < stickster> quaid: Just making some last cleanup changes 21:58 < quaid> SMG - hmmm .... was going to get couf to look at that conversion; maybe paul and I need to stop being lame and do that? j/k! 21:58 < quaid> -- SMG needs a post 21:58 < quaid> -- SMG needs a post XML conversion checkover to give jsmith any pointers, etc. 21:58 -!- jsmith-away is now known as jsmith 21:58 < jsmith> +1 21:58 < quaid> Security Guide -- just how-to setup encryption post-install for now, Sparks has plans here for a full guide, discussed with Fedora Security Team :) 21:59 < quaid> AG -- post F9 work, as agreed previously 21:59 < quaid> anything else in our one remaining minute? 21:59 < quaid> 30 seconds left :) 21:59 < quaid> 3 21:59 < quaid> 2 22:00 < quaid> 1 22:00 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We can live with late translations, we're going to publish as frequently as possible (rolling rebuilds) * Recruiting, retention -- training and self-documentation in the post-F9 world: * More people, more to do, so try to get the knowledge "load" of the core people * Post F9-release: start writing howto's on FDP processes and workflows based on all the info that exists in the wiki. * Post F9-release: see what and how we can extend our toolchain with stuff like publican and docbook-lint (et al). 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Oh, and when you read "Red Hat Enterprise Linux", if you could think "Fedora", that would be great :) Basically this was just a quick job to demonstrate the fedora brand live in action: http://mdious.fedorapeople.org/kate/ Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 18 02:11:55 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:11:55 -0700 Subject: F9 schedule slip to 13 May Message-ID: <1208484715.21180.23.camel@calliope.phig.org> Fellow Contributors: Although I'm a bit sad that the Fedora 9 schedule had to slip[1], I am happy on two accounts: * More time for l10n * FESCo made a hard decision but the right one, for the right reasons Therefore, we are moving back the deadline for translation of these parts of the fedora-release-notes package to 29 April (two additional weeks): * Release Notes [2] * About Fedora [3] * Readme [4] * Readme Burning ISOs [5] * Readme Live Image [6] The Fedora Docs schedule[7] has been updated to reflect this new schedule. In addition, the Docs team is going to take advantage of the extra time to work on finishing the Installation Guide and User Guide, hopefully giving more time for l10n on those as well. - Karsten [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-April/msg00009.html [2] https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes [3] https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-about-fedora [4] https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-readme [5] https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-readme-burning-isos [6] https://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-readme-live-image [7] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I find I am generally able to construct decent "HowTo" or "Tutorial" documents. My mother is a teacher, so I blame her for this ability :). I contacted Eric Christensen prior to setting myself up here, and submitted a first cut of a small addition to the CryptoGuide. It basically goes over using encrypted 7-Zip archives as an easy "portable" encryption solution. I still want to polish it and dress it up for the wiki, but I think its a good example of my work. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide/7Zip I also find I can be good at catching "little" things in existing documentation - like how the "SelfIntroduction" wiki page references a totally different PGP keyserver then the "CreatingKeys" page. I have no idea where this ability comes from, so Mom's off the hook here :). Previous to this I've been somewhat "involved" with the Fedora project. I've had a bugzilla account for a long time, and have submitted some bug reports over the years. Its not much, but it was a start. Historical Qualifications: Most of my written work is for my employer, so its not available for review. I work for a large health insurance company, and although FOSS is growing inside the establishment, the whole idea is somewhat "new" for them given how closed/protected/proprietary the rest of the business and data is. Hopefully the 7-Zip guide gives folks an idea of my writing. I'm pretty advanced computer skills wise. I feel I have a fairly broad knowledge of computers in general, and am quick to pick up on new things. I'm not much of a programmer, though I can struggle through a few languages if I really want/need to do something. I'm a pretty handy IT "translator". I find I can be an effective bridge for end users to programmers/designers. I also have experience with human factors engineering/usability. I've been a long time Red Hat/Fedora user (since RH6) and would like to "give back" to the community I've gotten so much from. I think this blends well with some of the main Fedora Project goals, like working upstream as much as possible. Fedora strives to "Do the right thing", and so do I. GPG Stuff: [agent86 at Q ~]$ gpg --fingerprint 77472A90 pub 1024D/77472A90 2008-04-18 Key fingerprint = 63BF A2D9 B727 53C6 E88B FE9E 396A CD0A 7747 2A90 uid Adam D. Ligas (All Around Nice Guy) sub 2048g/0176D7DF 2008-04-18 I believe I've completed all the sign-up steps, so hopefully this gets me going in the right direction. I look forward to hopping on IRC over the next few days and meeting whomever happens to be around. Of course, I'll be monitoring this list as well. Thanks for your time! - Adam From kms at passback.co.uk Fri Apr 18 08:35:23 2008 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:35:23 +0100 Subject: Publican requires KDE? In-Reply-To: <47F033BF.80900@redhat.com> References: <1206705553.6125.5.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> <1206714778.3040.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47F033BF.80900@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1208507723.3609.3.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 10:43 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 11:59 +0000, Keith Sharp wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I noticed that Publican (0.3.0 from Rawhide) has a > >> BuildRequires/Requires for kdesdk. I don't use any other KDE software > >> and this requirement causes a huge additional download on my system. > >> Could someone explain why Publican needs this packages and if there is > >> any way this could be avoided? > > > > Being a GNOME user myself, I'm not thrilled by this either -- the right > > answer may be as simple as tweaking the packaging of kdesdk to provide a > > subpackage on which we can depend instead. I'd imagine the binaries we > > need are /usr/bin/xml2pot and /usr/bin/po2xml from that package, maybe > > tied up in kdesdk-i18n or something like that. > > > > Jeff Fearn should be around on the list -- Jeff, how close did I come > > there to the right answer? :-) > > 100% correct. > > AIUI Jens Petersen has asked about getting a separate package, I don't > know how far he got thought. I've created two bugs, with patches, requesting that kdesdk be modified to have a kdesdk-potools sub-package and that Publican depend on this rather than kdesdk: 443023 and 443024. Keith. From stickster at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 12:22:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:22:17 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Adam D. Ligas In-Reply-To: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> References: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> Message-ID: <20080418122217.GA16357@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 04:17:28AM -0400, Adam D. Ligas wrote: > I find I am generally able to construct decent "HowTo" or "Tutorial" > documents. My mother is a teacher, so I blame her for this > ability :). We'll find some way to thank her. :-) > I contacted Eric Christensen prior to setting myself up here, and > submitted a first cut of a small addition to the CryptoGuide. It > basically goes over using encrypted 7-Zip archives as an easy "portable" > encryption solution. I still want to polish it and dress it up for the > wiki, but I think its a good example of my work. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide/7Zip Very good draft. You may find our StyleGuide useful for matching the voice of this page to other official FDP work: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide > I also find I can be good at catching "little" things in existing > documentation - like how the "SelfIntroduction" wiki page references a > totally different PGP keyserver then the "CreatingKeys" page. I have no > idea where this ability comes from, so Mom's off the hook here :). That's a good skill to have around these parts. We need more writers and editors in general. If you're able to be around during a workday at all, stop by IRC Freenode at #fedora-docs and introduce yourself there. We need some help wordsmithing the Desktop User Guide -- two different releases, in fact, for F8 and F9 -- so that may be a good way to get started. Right now it only involves wiki editing IIRC. [...snip...] > Thanks for your time! Thanks for volunteering yours! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keith at henkell.net Fri Apr 18 15:00:29 2008 From: keith at henkell.net (Keith Henkell) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:00:29 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Keith Henkell Message-ID: <563f345d0804180800p7166d94kb562b245ac4dc195@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, Keith Henkell New York, USA (UTC-4) I have worked as a security analyst and a security consultant for almost 10 years. I am pretty familiar with Fedora from a user perspective as I have run just about every version since Core 1. I also have some background with everything from project management, to systems engineering, to networking. I'm pretty familiar with the writing and markup tools, but I need to dig into DocBook which is completely new to me. I have not contributed to any other projects so this is all new to me. I look forward to learning what you guys need so I can pitch in. I know I can contribute to the security side of things and anything else I can help out with is also great. Keith at Henkell.net ---- pub 1024D/F7D2CC25 2008-04-17 [expires: 2011-04-17] Key fingerprint = 43BA DF46 534E 44AF 8CDF ACB7 0F55 1DE9 F7D2 CC25 uid Keith Henkell sub 2048g/82AE68D7 2008-04-17 [expires: 2011-04-17] ---- From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Fri Apr 18 15:00:53 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:00:53 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Adam D. Ligas In-Reply-To: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> References: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> Message-ID: <1208530853.2940.47.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 04:17 -0400, Adam D. Ligas wrote: > I also find I can be good at catching "little" things in existing > documentation - like how the "SelfIntroduction" wiki page references a > totally different PGP keyserver then the "CreatingKeys" page. I have no > idea where this ability comes from, so Mom's off the hook here :). That's great... we certainly need more help, and welcome you to join us! Please dive in and familiarize yourself with how we do things, and don't be shy about asking for help if things don't make sense. (I'm fairly new here myself as well, so I'm probably not the right guy to ask.) -Jared From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Fri Apr 18 15:03:32 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03:32 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Keith Henkell In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804180800p7166d94kb562b245ac4dc195@mail.gmail.com> References: <563f345d0804180800p7166d94kb562b245ac4dc195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1208531012.2940.50.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 11:00 -0400, Keith Henkell wrote: > Hi everyone, Welcome Keith! I'm glad to hear you're willing to help us out with the documentation project, and I hope you'll dive right in and get familiar with the way we do things. > I'm pretty familiar with the > writing and markup tools, but I need to dig into DocBook which is > completely new to me. Don't let the DocBook scare you -- it's really pretty easy to pick up. In the meantime, there's plenty of writing/editing/organization that can be done in the Wiki, before we ever translate it into DocBook. -Jared From eric at christensenplace.us Fri Apr 18 15:08:49 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:08:49 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Adam D. Ligas In-Reply-To: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> References: <1208506648.25791.57.camel@Q> Message-ID: <4808B981.1080904@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adam, Looks like you got most of it figured out. If you get a chance to come up on IRC give us a shout over at #fedora-docs. If you are interested in working on some more security items please let me know. I've got some ideas I'm trying to find time to address. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICLmBL5V8yddJCO0RAsrHAJ9yIdyqodOXQwKizX9VBat0O2GQoACeOh8w WUPf3WxRPxLXGlOGkO+enWI= =nXh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Fri Apr 18 15:12:37 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:12:37 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Keith Henkell In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804180800p7166d94kb562b245ac4dc195@mail.gmail.com> References: <563f345d0804180800p7166d94kb562b245ac4dc195@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4808BA65.7060601@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oooo... Another security geek. :) Welcome aboard! Keith Henkell wrote: | Hi everyone, | | Keith Henkell | New York, USA (UTC-4) | | I have worked as a security analyst and a security consultant for | almost 10 years. I am pretty familiar with Fedora from a user | perspective as I have run just about every version since Core 1. I | also have some background with everything from project management, to | systems engineering, to networking. I'm pretty familiar with the | writing and markup tools, but I need to dig into DocBook which is | completely new to me. | | I have not contributed to any other projects so this is all new to me. | I look forward to learning what you guys need so I can pitch in. I | know I can contribute to the security side of things and anything else | I can help out with is also great. | | Keith at Henkell.net | | ---- | pub 1024D/F7D2CC25 2008-04-17 [expires: 2011-04-17] | Key fingerprint = 43BA DF46 534E 44AF 8CDF ACB7 0F55 1DE9 F7D2 CC25 | uid Keith Henkell | sub 2048g/82AE68D7 2008-04-17 [expires: 2011-04-17] | ---- | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICLpjL5V8yddJCO0RAoumAJsE+SpVky6Khk/Vly6p6T7QrMCBVQCfXodq HMBO5cwoPKHVqJWmG+wmpss= =qI7x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Sat Apr 19 17:02:03 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:02:03 -0400 Subject: Introduction to the Fedora Security Guide ready for review Message-ID: <480A258B.1020308@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just rewrote the Introduction [1] to the Security Guide [2] and would like appreciate someone going over it to make sure it all sounds good. If all is well then I'll move it to the Security Guide and start dressing the guide up. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICiWKL5V8yddJCO0RAsdbAJ0WcjI2pPb9x88GJUAv5mxTh53QqwCeOpTU OP2dV6Rh7KEx0rzg76OiNRw= =eyD6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Sat Apr 19 17:16:32 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:16:32 -0400 Subject: Introduction to the Fedora Security Guide ready for review In-Reply-To: <480A258B.1020308@christensenplace.us> References: <480A258B.1020308@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <480A28F0.7020507@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Probably helps to include the links... I just rewrote the Introduction [1] to the Security Guide [2] and would like appreciate someone going over it to make sure it all sounds good. If all is well then I'll move it to the Security Guide and start dressing the guide up. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide/Introduction [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFICijtL5V8yddJCO0RAnnwAJ9h/6bH2469incOYe4ZPtTTPpriEgCfdU8i iXLfF0n/tOwgvlZZYrHxw0A= =UmZ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 19:54:17 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-08 14:00 UTC Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at 2008-05-08 14:00 UTC, which will last approximately 5 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-05-08 14:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database Mail All auth systems Unaffected Services: Torrent DNS fedorapeople.org planet Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/519 Reason for Outage: The network guys will be performing a number of upgrades during this outage window which is expected to last 5 hours. Systems will be up and down during this time. Some will be off during the duration of the time for safety / data protection. Some systems we'll be moving to alternate sites. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Apr 22 20:10:16 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:10:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC (fwd) Message-ID: Sorry everyone, the previous message had the wrong date. The correct date is: 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:54:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike McGrath To: fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com Cc: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com, fedora-docs-list at redhat.com, Fedora Art List , For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base , fedora-websites-list at redhat.com Subject: Outage Notification - 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC There will be an outage starting at 2008-05-03 14:00 UTC, which will last approximately 5 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-05-03 14:00 UTC' Affected Services: Websites CVS / Source Control Buildsystem Database Mail All auth systems Unaffected Services: Torrent DNS fedorapeople.org planet Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/519 Reason for Outage: The network guys will be performing a number of upgrades during this outage window which is expected to last 5 hours. Systems will be up and down during this time. Some will be off during the duration of the time for safety / data protection. Some systems we'll be moving to alternate sites. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 22:13:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:13:15 -0400 Subject: Release Notes Message-ID: <1208902395.3991.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Does anyone have time to sync changes from the wiki (since our last pull) into CVS so that they can make it into the Fedora 9 final release? If we do it now, translators have almost a week still to translate the final changes. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 23:56:39 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:56:39 +1000 Subject: Release Notes In-Reply-To: <1208902395.3991.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1208902395.3991.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804221656g5dd68e3di6939461185b09897@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Does anyone have time to sync changes from the wiki (since our last > pull) into CVS so that they can make it into the Fedora 9 final release? > If we do it now, translators have almost a week still to translate the > final changes. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > Hi, I will try to make time for this this afternoon...otherwise, Friday is a holiday here, so I will try to do it then (sorry if that is too late). Just to confirm, the procedure is: 1. edit en-US XML 2. when finished, run "make pot po", and commit new po files. 3 [maybe send a message to trans-list noting changes...] Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 01:01:33 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:01:33 -0700 Subject: who was working on Installation Guide the last few months? Message-ID: <1208912493.28418.121.camel@calliope.phig.org> Anyone know who was working with Bob Jensen on the IG the last few months? We're looking to see if there are any changes to incorporate into CVS before we repeat the work. If possible. :) thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 18:23:25 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:23:25 -0700 Subject: to add or not ... relnotes Message-ID: <1208975005.28418.146.camel@calliope.phig.org> We discussed adding the changes from the wiki to the release notes, given the extra timing for the release. Unfortunately, we also told L10n to go ahead and work with the POT/PO from _before_ any changes. Since we didn't do those changes and a week has passed ... * Do we want to do those changes? * What about branching for F9 *right now* with what we have? - We could make devel available for updates and new trans - If we reach parity with F9 for translation, we update the F9 branch from devel * Other ideas? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 18:50:31 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:50:31 -0700 Subject: FDSCo meeting (for real) 1900 Message-ID: <1208976631.28418.153.camel@calliope.phig.org> Well, that was exciting. Got time mixed up and accidentally had a "meeting" an hour early. We can try it again, this time with maybe more people showing up ... since it is on the scheduled time. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda Installation Guide -- all hands on deck! * Update on active content work: * Release notes for F9 * UG -- needs final touches and "wordsmithing" * Fedora 9 version * Fedora 8 version * SMG * Needs feedback on conversion from CVS to DocBook, as well as some "wordsmithing" * Security Guide -- F9 draft coming (rero) * AG -- moved to post F9 * All other business (AOB) -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 23 18:53:17 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:53:17 -0700 Subject: NOT the FDSCo irclog ... Message-ID: <1208976797.28418.157.camel@calliope.phig.org> Below is NOT the log from today's meeting, is the log from the non-meeting. However, if no one new shows up at the scheduled time of 1900, we'll vote this log in as the log, and I'll repost, and the gods of process will be appeased. Note this one is 21 minutes long, a record length ... although mainly one guy, talking to himself. 11:08 < quaid> 11:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 11:08 < quaid> going to go through a quick rundown 11:08 < quaid> even though not sure anyone is here :) 11:09 * quaid waits exactly one minute to 18:10.20 11:09 -!- jsmith [n=jsmith at 72.21.36.138] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:09 * jsmith is here... at least in theory 11:09 < quaid> word 11:09 < jsmith> I'm juggling projects at the moment 11:09 < quaid> a few more seconds 11:10 * quaid is a juggle 11:12 -!- J5_ [n=quintice at nat/redhat/x-e216423445de749b] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:13 * quaid back from network drop, sry 11:13 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Installation Guide (IG) 11:14 < quaid> stickster has been doing some work on this 11:14 < quaid> all other work and EvilBob are MIA at this point 11:15 < quaid> going to send a request today to the list to get all hands on the IG and the UG from now 11:15 < quaid> anyone with anything else? 11:15 * quaid waits 30 seconds 11:15 < Southern_Gentlem> quaid i will get Evilbob on the IG this week 11:16 < quaid> Southern_Gentlem: thx; the concern is we don't know what was or was not done by his IG writing team 11:16 < quaid> so we're likely to duplicate or overcome that work 11:16 < quaid> which was, btw, why I argued for *all* that work to happen in regular irc, mailing list, and CVS 11:17 < quaid> but, good lord, yes, all hands are needed :) 11:17 * quaid prepares to move on topic-wise ... 11:17 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Update on other active content work 11:18 < quaid> User Guide -- finishing for F9, keep momentum going 11:18 < quaid> UG -- F8 finish, has to be put behind IG work now 11:18 < quaid> SMG -- couf passed on the XML work, now we need to get that bad boy published 11:19 * quaid ponders if jsmith wants to learn that particular trivia 11:19 < quaid> Sec G - sparks has been working on it, post F9 draft target 11:19 < quaid> AG - post f9 release draft target 11:20 < quaid> release notes -- were going to do some updates from the wiki to the POT but none of us followed through, we need to decide quickly if we are going to mess with that or not 11:20 < jsmith> quaid: Yeah, couf told me he gave me an A+ on it... I'm still in shock 11:20 < quaid> -- above discussion on list? 11:20 < jsmith> Yeah, push it to the list 11:20 < quaid> jsmith: eh, if you know DocBook it's not hard of a task :) 11:20 < quaid> ok, any more on that ol' content what is active? 11:21 < jsmith> Not that I can think of... 11:21 < jsmith> What exactly is involved in publishing the SMG? It got branched for the PackageKit update, right? 11:22 < jsmith> Did the PackageKit updates ever get put into DocBook? 11:22 < Southern_Gentlem> define SMG please 11:23 < Southern_Gentlem> IG is install guide UG is User Guide 11:23 < jsmith> SGM is the Software Management Guide 11:23 < Southern_Gentlem> ty and AG is? 11:23 < quaid> Admin GUide 11:23 < jsmith> (formerly the yum-software-management guide) 11:23 < quaid> sry for TLA fever :) 11:24 < quaid> jsmith: most likely no on the PK changes 11:24 < quaid> jsmith: publishing is ... 11:24 * quaid gets URL 11:24 -!- LetoT1 [n=paul at bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 < quaid> jsmith: anyway, I can show you after the meeting; that is, discuss it later out of the meeting :) 11:26 < jsmith> Fair enough 11:26 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- AOB 11:26 < jsmith> I don't know what else to discuss without the other folks here 11:26 < quaid> in that we are almost done :) 11:26 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- All Other Business (AOB) 11:26 < quaid> 'zactly 11:26 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditingFedoraRedhatCom 11:26 < quaid> that's the evil that we do to get published still 11:26 < quaid> it's actually a bit like the other websites 11:27 < quaid> we check in changes and tag them LIVE 11:27 -!- DanseMakabre [i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:27 < quaid> it's all PHP includes to build the pages, with the rendering done and pushed as static HTML 11:27 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=Smoother at linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:28 < jsmith> Gotcha 11:28 < quaid> ok, with nothing more ... 11:28 * jsmith votes for ending the meeting 11:28 -!- mether_ [n=ask at nat/redhat-in/x-2972959aedb2ba42] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 11:28 < quaid> it is so 11:29 < quaid> 5 11:29 < Southern_Gentlem> +1 11:29 < quaid> 4 11:29 < quaid> 3 11:29 < quaid> 2 11:29 < quaid> 1 11:29 < quaid> -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Thu Apr 24 14:46:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:46:20 +0000 Subject: to add or not ... relnotes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804232324s45428945u9460347034259841@mail.gmail.com> References: <1208975005.28418.146.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0804232324s45428945u9460347034259841@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209048380.26737.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 16:24 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > We discussed adding the changes from the wiki to the release notes, > > given the extra timing for the release. > > > > Unfortunately, we also told L10n to go ahead and work with the POT/PO > > from _before_ any changes. > > > > Since we didn't do those changes and a week has passed ... > > > > * Do we want to do those changes? > > * What about branching for F9 *right now* with what we have? > > - We could make devel available for updates and new trans > > - If we reach parity with F9 for translation, we update the F9 branch > > from devel > > * Other ideas? > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > > > Wouldn't it be better to keep the translations that are 100%, at 100%, > instead of adding new stuff now, and possibly risk having incomplete > translations... I think that unfinished translations are less of a risk than faulty information. Honestly, there are probably *not* a lot of changes, and the teams with 100% finished translations will not have a hard time processing a small number of changes. I think swift action probably makes more sense than worrying about the extra strings. Who will be responsible for putting these changes in? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Apr 24 17:23:39 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:23:39 -0700 Subject: Xen Dom0 support is not included in F9 Message-ID: <4810C21B.60200@redhat.com> I think we need to say something about (see below) here: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.html#sn-Kernel-Integration-Imrpovements John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: F9 PreView Anaconda,XEN, Xorg Problems Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:38:02 -0400 From: Jon Stanley Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases References: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:32 AM, David M Burgess wrote: > I've just finished installing the Preview Release on three different > hardware platforms. > > Big problems with them all. > > I'm installing on dual core 64 bit hardware" > > Lenovo T61p - dual core Intel > Asus A7N-M2 - AMD M2 > Sun Ultra20 M2 - AMD Opteron > > All the boxes have 2Gig of RAM and SATA drives, each box also has a > NVidia video card - different one in all three. > > When Anaconda gets to part where you configure the network cards eth0 > has no check mark but eth1 does and Anaconda is set to configure that by > default. A minor problem but still wrong. I'll check this out. > Far more seriously XEN refuses to boot on any of the three platforms I > even installed the 32 bit PR on the Asus box and had a similar reaction. Xen Dom0 support is not included, nor slated to be included, in F9. Folks that need Xen Dom0 are advised to stay with F8. For more information, see http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2008-March/msg00013.html > When I tried to update the base PR using > System->Administration->Add/Remove Software it took more than 40 minutes > to return and tell me that there were no updates nor any additional > software to install. So I installed yumex and it worked fine. Not sure, maybe some PackageKit guys can answer this one > The Anaconda and PackageKit problems are merely irritating, the XEN and > X are show stoppers for us. You didn't mention any X problems. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From - Thu From eric at christensenplace.us Thu Apr 24 17:40:49 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:40:49 -0400 Subject: PackageKit Documentation Asssistance Needed Message-ID: <20080424174049.GC12398@eric.christensenplace.us> In yesterday's meeting a need was shown to finish the PackageKit documentation. The Features page [1] has been created but the information needs to be put into the SMG [2] so it can be added. All this needs to be done before F9 gets released. Can someone pick up this project? Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit From ncorrare at fedoraproject.org Thu Apr 24 21:28:57 2008 From: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org (Nicolas A. Corrarello) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:28:57 -0300 Subject: PackageKit Documentation Asssistance Needed In-Reply-To: <20080424174049.GC12398@eric.christensenplace.us> References: <20080424174049.GC12398@eric.christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <1209072537.23106.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Eric: When is this due? I'll need a revisor since my native language is Spanish, but I'll do my best to do it. Do you all agree? -- - -- Nicolas A. Corrarello Fedora Ambassador Argentina c: +54 (911) 6017-2120 e: ncorrare at fedoraproject.org GPG Key: DFC893EE h: fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasCorrarello/ GPG Fingerprint: 5C93 42DA 98E1 4EEF B24B 7F8C E145 B2F9 DFC8 93EE Import my key: $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key 0xDFC893EE On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 13:40 -0400, Eric H Christensen wrote: > In yesterday's meeting a need was shown to finish the PackageKit documentation. The Features page [1] has been created but the information needs to be put into the SMG [2] so it can be added. All this needs to be done before F9 gets released. Can someone pick up this project? > > Eric > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 00:22:05 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:22:05 +1000 Subject: Xen Dom0 support is not included in F9 In-Reply-To: <4810C21B.60200@redhat.com> References: <4810C21B.60200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0804241722w5598374l8e7bddaab146e8f1@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:23 AM, John Poelstra wrote: > I think we need to say something about (see below) here: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-Virtualization.html#sn-Kernel-Integration-Imrpovements > > John > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: F9 PreView Anaconda,XEN, Xorg Problems > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:38:02 -0400 > From: Jon Stanley > Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > References: > > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:32 AM, David M Burgess > wrote: > > > I've just finished installing the Preview Release on three different > > hardware platforms. > > > > Big problems with them all. > > > > I'm installing on dual core 64 bit hardware" > > > > Lenovo T61p - dual core Intel > > Asus A7N-M2 - AMD M2 > > Sun Ultra20 M2 - AMD Opteron > > > > All the boxes have 2Gig of RAM and SATA drives, each box also has a > > NVidia video card - different one in all three. > > > > When Anaconda gets to part where you configure the network cards eth0 > > has no check mark but eth1 does and Anaconda is set to configure that by > > default. A minor problem but still wrong. > > > > I'll check this out. > > > > Far more seriously XEN refuses to boot on any of the three platforms I > > even installed the 32 bit PR on the Asus box and had a similar reaction. > > > > Xen Dom0 support is not included, nor slated to be included, in F9. > Folks that need Xen Dom0 are advised to stay with F8. For more > information, see > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2008-March/msg00013.html > > > > When I tried to update the base PR using > > System->Administration->Add/Remove Software it took more than 40 minutes > > to return and tell me that there were no updates nor any additional > > software to install. So I installed yumex and it worked fine. > > > > Not sure, maybe some PackageKit guys can answer this one > > > > The Anaconda and PackageKit problems are merely irritating, the XEN and > > X are show stoppers for us. > > > > You didn't mention any X problems. > For dom0, the following is already in the virtualization ( https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Virtualization ) beat: "However, the Xen kernel now lacks Dom0 support. An existing Xen host/Dom0 must continue to run Fedora 8. Xen Dom0 support will be added back in Fedora 10." Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 02:32:57 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:32:57 +1000 Subject: [relnotes] [Bug 443694] New: Missing hard disk space requirement in release notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95f1114b0804241932lcbbf68ax1cd4243dd670990b@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:32 AM, wrote: > Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional > comments should be made in the comments box of this bug report. > > > > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443694 > > Summary: Missing hard disk space requirement in release notes > Product: Fedora Documentation > Version: devel > Platform: All > URL: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release- > notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-ArchSpecific.html#sn- > ArchSpecific-x64-hw > OS/Version: Linux > Status: NEW > Severity: low > Priority: low > Component: release-notes > AssignedTo: relnotes at fedoraproject.org > ReportedBy: jjcogliati-r1 at yahoo.com > QAContact: kwade at redhat.com > CC: jjcogliati-r1 at yahoo.com > > > Description of problem: > At > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9preview/en_US/sn-ArchSpecific.html > there is the text: > "The disk space requirements listed below" ... > But, there is no hard disk space requirements listed below. > > Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): > Version 8.92 (2008-03-17) > > How reproducible: > Very. Has been a problem since at least Fedora 7. > > Steps to Reproduce: > 1. Load up the release notes > 2. Look at the hardware requirements. > 3. Notice that there is no disk space given. > > Actual results: > No listing of amount of disk space required. > > Expected results: > Something on the order of 6 GB. > > Additional info: > It would be helpful if it gave disk space requirements for a minimal, and how > much extra space the Development option, the Office and Productivity option and > the Server option add. Is anyone going to add this, or is it fine as it is? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Fri Apr 25 04:51:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:51:02 -0700 Subject: [relnotes] [Bug 443694] New: Missing hard disk space requirement in release notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0804241932lcbbf68ax1cd4243dd670990b@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0804241932lcbbf68ax1cd4243dd670990b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1209099062.28418.239.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 12:32 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Is anyone going to add this, or is it fine as it is? Thx for the follow-up, I'll publish his suggestions (in some fashion) as I caught the call in the first place. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The following is an overview of what has changed: ## Virtualization (Virtualization.xml) ## minor change: fully virtualized is two words, not one. ## Release Highlights (OverView.xml) ## minor change, took out a double-space (not sure if this affects translations :( ) ## Architecture Specific Notes (ArchSpecific.xml) ## very minor addition... ## Package Notes (PackageNotes.xml) ## - new sections added: * Sound Card Utility * pilot-link and HAL/PolicyKit Interaction ## Fedora Desktop (Desktop.xml) ## - minor content addition and corrections. ## File Systems (FileSystems.xml) ## - minor content addition and a "note" ## Java (Java.xml) ## very minor change ("open source" changed to "Free Software") ## System Services (SystemDaemons.xml) ## new content for NetworkManger ## Internationalization (I18n.xml) ## Language Support Installation - minor addition, "thai, and so on" - 23.2.2. Indic fonts, new bullet point, "The smc-fonts package has been added for Malayalam." - the QT immodules section has been removed --- The PO files are due at 2359 UTC, 2008-04-29. Thanks for all your help, apologies for any inconveniences this causes. Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any questions! Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 03:14:30 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:14:30 +1000 Subject: Fedora Installation Guide [was: ho was working on Installation Guide the last few months?] Message-ID: <95f1114b0804272014v3b19371cw7d211248edc9c458@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Sorry for starting a new thread, I accidentally deleted the original. Regarding https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-April/msg00087.html, I can put my hand up for this. What would you like done to it? Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 04:57:25 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:57:25 +1000 Subject: Fedora Installation Guide [was: who was working on Installation Guide the last few months?] Message-ID: <95f1114b0804272157i3d567a9bt5ed117fd4e873108@mail.gmail.com> Sorry, I messed up the subject! On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for starting a new thread, I accidentally deleted the original. > > Regarding https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-April/msg00087.html, > I can put my hand up for this. > > What would you like done to it? > > Cheers, > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 01:09:11 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: fedora-release-notes-9.0.0-1 Message-ID: <1209431351.7091.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> I imported the new fedora-release-notes SRPM into the Fedora package CVS tonight. Our amazing translation teams provided a huge amount of work for this package, including *ELEVEN* (11) fully finished translations of the Release Notes! You guys never cease to amaze me. Thanks to all the teams, not to mention Dimitris Glezos for his Transifex tool that many of you used to submit translations. Murray McAllister, Marc Wiriadistra, and Karsten Wade did a bunch of hard labor to get things working on the Docs side. Translators, keep in mind that there is still time to work on Docs modules such as the Release Notes and related pieces. We will pick up finished work around 2359 UTC on 2008-05-12, to make a zero-day update of the release notes. Congratulations everyone, and thank you from the whole Fedora community! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 06:12:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:12:34 -0700 Subject: write on the train? Message-ID: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> An answer for a question from IRC: 18:18 < subdivisions> hey all... anyone here know the best way to do editing/authoring offline? I have approx 2.5 hours a day on the train and I can't really get a cell signal. 18:18 < subdivisions> I can cut-andpaste from and back to the wiwki, but that seems a bit crude. Keith, let me introduce you to DocBook XML. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools#DocBook_XML http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML What you need for the train is the following: * Checkout one or more guides to work on: Installation Guide Software Management Guide Security Guide (needs conversion) or ... * Obtain XML output from the wiki ready for conversion * Check out the build system/toolchain for Fedora Docs, and/or * Install 'publican' (candidate for inclusion in toolchain) * Optional virtualization instance to do install testing or other technical edits/writing You have everything you need in a Fedora install with the "Authoring and Publishing" group installed. While you are offline, keep notes about any troubles you have. Maybe write them as a blog entry to post when you get to your destination. Writing about your learning process and experience as a new contributor could bring some value and definitely interest. Just a few ideas off the top of my head. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 13:35:02 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:35:02 -0600 Subject: write on the train? In-Reply-To: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > An answer for a question from IRC: > > 18:18 < subdivisions> hey all... anyone here know the best way to do > editing/authoring > offline? I have approx 2.5 hours a day on the train > and I can't > really get a cell signal. > 18:18 < subdivisions> I can cut-andpaste from and back to the wiwki, but > that seems a bit > crude. > > Keith, let me introduce you to DocBook XML. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools#DocBook_XML > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML > > What you need for the train is the following: > > * Checkout one or more guides to work on: > Installation Guide > Software Management Guide > Security Guide (needs conversion) > or ... > * Obtain XML output from the wiki ready for conversion > * Check out the build system/toolchain for Fedora Docs, and/or > * Install 'publican' (candidate for inclusion in toolchain) > * Optional virtualization instance to do install testing or other > technical edits/writing > > You have everything you need in a Fedora install with the "Authoring and > Publishing" group installed. > > While you are offline, keep notes about any troubles you have. Maybe > write them as a blog entry to post when you get to your destination. > Writing about your learning process and experience as a new contributor > could bring some value and definitely interest. > > Just a few ideas off the top of my head. :) > > - Karsten > -- > Another suggestion to add to this conversation is to consider the fact that internet access is unavailable. In this case, committing changes back to cvs is impossible because of its centralized nature, in comes git. With git-cvsimport you can save your changes in a repository, and commit as much as necessary and are able to retain your history. Once back to the more civilized world, one can do a git rebase --interactive, squash all of the commits to one (making a nice log message) and run git-cvsexportcommit after creating a patch and setting some variables. Here's a good resource on how one might use git to keep revision history and allowing simple roll-back http://issaris.blogspot.com/2005/11/cvs-to-git-and-back.html Hope this helps, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 29 19:42:01 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:42:01 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing Message-ID: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I hope to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! Trying to get this ready before F9. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption From kwade at redhat.com Tue Apr 29 21:38:27 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:38:27 -0700 Subject: write on the train? In-Reply-To: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1209505107.4278.123.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:12 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > An answer for a question from IRC: > > 18:18 < subdivisions> hey all... anyone here know the best way to do editing/authoring > offline? I have approx 2.5 hours a day on the train and I can't > really get a cell signal. > 18:18 < subdivisions> I can cut-andpaste from and back to the wiwki, but that seems a bit > crude. There is one option for the wiki I forgot. Like this: 1. Install 'itsalltext' extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 - This extension adds a button that lets you open the contents of an HTML edit window (a TEXTAREA) in your favorite editor. - Saves happen to a temporary file and update the wiki edit window in Firefox 2. Pick some chapters you are going to work on. 3. Email the list/alert IRC that you are putting a few hour 'lock' on those files, so no one else edits them - There is a warning put up when you edit a file in the wiki, but the lock may expire before you return 4. Load the pages and edit them, then use the Edit button from It's All Text! to load the pages for offline editing. - You cannot preview changes while offline 5. Later versions of It's All Text! support keeping the same temporary filename for the same original URL. This means when you return to be online, even if you have to reload and re-edit the original page, you should be able to save within your editor, and the edit window in Firefox updates. - If this does not work, yes, you still have manual cut and paste Now that I write it all out, it sounds hokey and hacky and stupid, but it does work. :) - Karsten > Keith, let me introduce you to DocBook XML. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools#DocBook_XML > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML > > What you need for the train is the following: > > * Checkout one or more guides to work on: > Installation Guide > Software Management Guide > Security Guide (needs conversion) > or ... > * Obtain XML output from the wiki ready for conversion > * Check out the build system/toolchain for Fedora Docs, and/or > * Install 'publican' (candidate for inclusion in toolchain) > * Optional virtualization instance to do install testing or other > technical edits/writing > > You have everything you need in a Fedora install with the "Authoring and > Publishing" group installed. > > While you are offline, keep notes about any troubles you have. Maybe > write them as a blog entry to post when you get to your destination. > Writing about your learning process and experience as a new contributor > could bring some value and definitely interest. > > Just a few ideas off the top of my head. :) > > - Karsten > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From keith at henkell.net Tue Apr 29 20:46:11 2008 From: keith at henkell.net (Keith Henkell) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:46:11 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: > I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and > editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is > already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I hope > to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). > > If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! Trying > to get this ready before F9. > > Eric > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From adam at physco.com Tue Apr 29 21:56:47 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:56:47 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> Message-ID: <1209506207.12733.12.camel@Q> Hey Eric, I took a quick flip through the docs and they look/read well. One thing I found a bit confusing was in Chapter 3. You go over each partition and give a little info as why you handle it the way you do. At the end of the paragraph is an italics word or phrase. I figured out that the word or phrase is the reasoning behind your selection/handling, but it was a little confusing. I'm not sure if those are author notes, or if they are meant to be in the finished document. Under the assumption that you wanted them in the finished document, I went ahead and took a whack at including them in a way I thought was more clear. Also, the /tmp partition section doesn't have a "reasoning" so someone would need to add one there. To the best of my knowledge I did everything as one change, so you should be able to revert easily if I overstepped any bounds. - Adam On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 15:42 -0400, Eric H Christensen wrote: > I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I hope to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). > > If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! Trying to get this ready before F9. > > Eric > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption > From keith at henkell.net Tue Apr 29 21:58:46 2008 From: keith at henkell.net (Keith Henkell) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:58:46 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <563f345d0804291458j494ba189gd77cd6cc02c94ba7@mail.gmail.com> I copied chapters 2 and 3 for editing offline. I should be able to copy any changes back up in 2-3 hours. On 4/29/08, Keith Henkell wrote: > I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? > > > > On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: > > I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and > > editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is > > already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I > hope > > to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). > > > > If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! > Trying > > to get this ready before F9. > > > > Eric > > > > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide > > [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption > > > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 29 22:08:33 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:08:33 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48179C61.5020500@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Keith, Yeah, I'm going to keep this in the wiki for now. After everything goes to the "final" side I'm going to try to put them in DocBook format and see if Karsten can help me with that process. Thanks! Eric Keith Henkell wrote: | I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? | | | | On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: |> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and |> editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is |> already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I hope |> to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). |> |> If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! Trying |> to get this ready before F9. |> |> Eric |> |> |> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide |> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption |> |> -- |> fedora-docs-list mailing list |> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com |> To unsubscribe: |> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list |> | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF5xgL5V8yddJCO0RAtPpAJ9hbRQWBtCeT5LaSRiEZazpzvbw4ACfTVEy C9I37ajg+7M4vqz57mNuFJM= =o8b5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 29 22:09:51 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:09:51 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <1209506207.12733.12.camel@Q> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <1209506207.12733.12.camel@Q> Message-ID: <48179CAF.8090907@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam, Opps... I did a quick look and thought I had finished it. Thanks for making the changes. I think Keith has them right now so we can all go over them again tomorrow and make sure they are how they should be. I appreciate your help! Eric Adam D. Ligas wrote: | Hey Eric, | | I took a quick flip through the docs and they look/read well. | | One thing I found a bit confusing was in Chapter 3. You go over each | partition and give a little info as why you handle it the way you do. | At the end of the paragraph is an italics word or phrase. | | I figured out that the word or phrase is the reasoning behind your | selection/handling, but it was a little confusing. I'm not sure if | those are author notes, or if they are meant to be in the finished | document. | | Under the assumption that you wanted them in the finished document, I | went ahead and took a whack at including them in a way I thought was | more clear. Also, the /tmp partition section doesn't have a "reasoning" | so someone would need to add one there. | | To the best of my knowledge I did everything as one change, so you | should be able to revert easily if I overstepped any bounds. | | - Adam | | | | On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 15:42 -0400, Eric H Christensen wrote: |> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I hope to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). |> |> If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! Trying to get this ready before F9. |> |> Eric |> |> |> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide |> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption |> | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF5yuL5V8yddJCO0RApiFAJ0esAJ80btAhBqQYfSpABXSDfbLSQCbBRE4 OK+dlqlRJgf5sOnf4qlSO3s= =jocc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 29 22:10:23 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:10:23 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804291458j494ba189gd77cd6cc02c94ba7@mail.gmail.com> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> <563f345d0804291458j494ba189gd77cd6cc02c94ba7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48179CCF.3060708@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Keith, Sounds good. Just post when you have them back on the wiki. Thanks, Eric Keith Henkell wrote: | I copied chapters 2 and 3 for editing offline. I should be able to | copy any changes back up in 2-3 hours. | | | | On 4/29/08, Keith Henkell wrote: |> I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? |> |> |> |> On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: |>> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and |>> editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 [2] is |>> already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I |> hope |>> to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). |>> |>> If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! |> Trying |>> to get this ready before F9. |>> |>> Eric |>> |>> |>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide |>> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption |>> |>> -- |>> fedora-docs-list mailing list |>> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com |>> To unsubscribe: |>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list |>> | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF5zOL5V8yddJCO0RAq0VAJwMIjFE48+wHi+WA4ALRANBUm5VpwCfSC7M H9I68umCNxOrLvFPReXxBDI= =mTec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Apr 29 22:29:50 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:29:50 -0400 Subject: PackageKit Documentation Asssistance Needed In-Reply-To: <1209072537.23106.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080424174049.GC12398@eric.christensenplace.us> <1209072537.23106.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4817A15E.2010108@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nicolas, I thought I responded to this but I didn't see it in my f-docs-l folder. That works for me. I'll be happy to look over it and I'm sure there are others on board that can help shape it up. Eric Nicolas A. Corrarello wrote: | Eric: | When is this due? I'll need a revisor since my native language is | Spanish, but I'll do my best to do it. | | Do you all agree? | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF6FdL5V8yddJCO0RAr7lAJ9EsUBzfKU8qqk6kNPd52/V2f+1/wCfXBkb rH/xWv78+KX/am3pvuNxPAE= =e/2W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stickster at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 23:54:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:54:15 +0000 Subject: write on the train? In-Reply-To: References: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1209513255.3080.267.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 07:35 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade > wrote: > An answer for a question from IRC: > > 18:18 < subdivisions> hey all... anyone here know the best way > to do editing/authoring > offline? I have approx 2.5 hours a day > on the train and I can't > really get a cell signal. > 18:18 < subdivisions> I can cut-andpaste from and back to the > wiwki, but that seems a bit > crude. > > Keith, let me introduce you to DocBook XML. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools#DocBook_XML > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML > > What you need for the train is the following: > > * Checkout one or more guides to work on: > Installation Guide > Software Management Guide > Security Guide (needs conversion) > or ... > * Obtain XML output from the wiki ready for conversion > * Check out the build system/toolchain for Fedora Docs, and/or > * Install 'publican' (candidate for inclusion in toolchain) > * Optional virtualization instance to do install testing or > other > technical edits/writing > > You have everything you need in a Fedora install with the > "Authoring and > Publishing" group installed. > > While you are offline, keep notes about any troubles you > have. Maybe > write them as a blog entry to post when you get to your > destination. > Writing about your learning process and experience as a new > contributor > could bring some value and definitely interest. > > Just a few ideas off the top of my head. :) > > - Karsten > -- > > Another suggestion to add to this conversation is to consider the fact > that internet access is unavailable. In this case, committing changes > back to cvs is impossible > because of its centralized nature, in comes git. With git-cvsimport > you can save your changes in a repository, and commit as much as > necessary and are able to retain > your history. Once back to the more civilized world, one can do a git > rebase --interactive, squash all of the commits to one (making a nice > log message) and run > git-cvsexportcommit after creating a patch and setting some variables. > > Here's a good resource on how one might use git to keep revision > history and allowing simple roll-back > > http://issaris.blogspot.com/2005/11/cvs-to-git-and-back.html git has pretty much become the de facto standard for new projects in and around Fedora. I don't think it's a stretch to say this is going to be the next $SCM, although I have no opinion (or insight) about it in any official way. Thanks for this really helpful information on how to use what little I've learned of git and apply it to our decrepit^Wtrusty ol' CVS. :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From keith at henkell.net Wed Apr 30 02:10:02 2008 From: keith at henkell.net (Keith Henkell) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:10:02 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <48179CCF.3060708@christensenplace.us> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> <563f345d0804291458j494ba189gd77cd6cc02c94ba7@mail.gmail.com> <48179CCF.3060708@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <563f345d0804291910v6b341638jc6c3df06912b2a2f@mail.gmail.com> I merged my changes into chapter 3. Chapter 2 looks good to me. I added one section to the end of chapter 3 to talk about setting up an updates stretegy. It sounds too awkward though, so if you plan on talking about it in the other chapters, it might be better to just take it back out. On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Ha have to sh: SHA1 > > Keith, > Sounds good. Just post when you have them back on the wiki. > > > Thanks, > Eric > > > > Keith Henkell wrote: > > | I copied chapters 2 and 3 for editing offline. I should be able to > | copy any changes back up in 2-3 hours. > | > | > | > | On 4/29/08, Keith Henkell wrote: > |> I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? > |> > |> > |> > |> On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: > |>> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and > |>> editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 > [2] is > |>> already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I > |> hope > |>> to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). > |>> > |>> If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! > |> Trying > |>> to get this ready before F9. > |>> > |>> Eric > |>> > |>> > |>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide > |>> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption > |>> > |>> -- > |>> fedora-docs-list mailing list > |>> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > |>> To unsubscribe: > |>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > |>> > | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFIF5zOL5V8yddJCO0RAq0VAJwMIjFE48+wHi+WA4ALRANBUm5VpwCfSC7M > H9I68umCNxOrLvFPReXxBDI= > =mTec > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From keith at henkell.net Wed Apr 30 02:49:04 2008 From: keith at henkell.net (Keith Henkell) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:49:04 -0400 Subject: write on the train? In-Reply-To: <1209505107.4278.123.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1209449554.4278.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1209505107.4278.123.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <563f345d0804291949w535358fao8326b5e0a5d3919d@mail.gmail.com> I used cut-and-paste today, but I just installed "itsalltext" and it works really well. I can't seem to get it working with gvim/vi, but it is working with gedit so I'm good to go for tomorrow. Thanks! On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 23:12 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > An answer for a question from IRC: > > > > 18:18 < subdivisions> hey all... anyone here know the best way to do editing/authoring > > offline? I have approx 2.5 hours a day on the train and I can't > > really get a cell signal. > > 18:18 < subdivisions> I can cut-andpaste from and back to the wiwki, but that seems a bit > > crude. > > There is one option for the wiki I forgot. Like this: > > 1. Install 'itsalltext' extension: > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4125 > - This extension adds a button that lets you open the contents of an > HTML edit window (a TEXTAREA) in your favorite editor. > - Saves happen to a temporary file and update the wiki edit window in > Firefox > > 2. Pick some chapters you are going to work on. > > 3. Email the list/alert IRC that you are putting a few hour 'lock' on > those files, so no one else edits them > - There is a warning put up when you edit a file in the wiki, but the > lock may expire before you return > > 4. Load the pages and edit them, then use the Edit button from It's All > Text! to load the pages for offline editing. > - You cannot preview changes while offline > > 5. Later versions of It's All Text! support keeping the same temporary > filename for the same original URL. This means when you return to be > online, even if you have to reload and re-edit the original page, you > should be able to save within your editor, and the edit window in > Firefox updates. > - If this does not work, yes, you still have manual cut and paste > > Now that I write it all out, it sounds hokey and hacky and stupid, but > it does work. :) > > - Karsten > > > Keith, let me introduce you to DocBook XML. > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools#DocBook_XML > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML > > > > What you need for the train is the following: > > > > * Checkout one or more guides to work on: > > Installation Guide > > Software Management Guide > > Security Guide (needs conversion) > > or ... > > * Obtain XML output from the wiki ready for conversion > > * Check out the build system/toolchain for Fedora Docs, and/or > > * Install 'publican' (candidate for inclusion in toolchain) > > * Optional virtualization instance to do install testing or other > > technical edits/writing > > > > You have everything you need in a Fedora install with the "Authoring and > > Publishing" group installed. > > > > While you are offline, keep notes about any troubles you have. Maybe > > write them as a blog entry to post when you get to your destination. > > Writing about your learning process and experience as a new contributor > > could bring some value and definitely interest. > > > > Just a few ideas off the top of my head. :) > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From eric at christensenplace.us Wed Apr 30 03:17:01 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:17:01 -0400 Subject: Security Guide, Chapters 1-3 ready for review and editing In-Reply-To: <563f345d0804291910v6b341638jc6c3df06912b2a2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <26982094.226381209498121915.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <563f345d0804291346w10b3505br8cc5ce8a4fe4be74@mail.gmail.com> <563f345d0804291458j494ba189gd77cd6cc02c94ba7@mail.gmail.com> <48179CCF.3060708@christensenplace.us> <563f345d0804291910v6b341638jc6c3df06912b2a2f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4817E4AD.4080105@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Keith, Yeah, I see what you mean. I feel like I've written that up somewhere but I need to go back and figure out where. I'd probably move that portion to a different chapter if for no other reason than it doesn't fit in with "Secure Installation" theme. Let's move that to a "staging area" for now and see if we can develop that further. In fact, lets pull that entire "Install Minimal Software" bit out and use that as a starting point for a new chapter that can not only talk more specifically about software packages (and gpg checks on the packages) but doing security updates and software updates and why it is important. I think that would make a good solid chapter. I went ahead and moved that information to a new chapter (Chapter 5, Software Maintenance [1]) which will allow us to have a larger playground for this topic. Headed for bed in a bit. I'll be checking in post 11:30UTC. Thanks, Eric [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide/SoftwareMaintenance Keith Henkell wrote: | I merged my changes into chapter 3. Chapter 2 looks good to me. | | I added one section to the end of chapter 3 to talk about setting up | an updates stretegy. It sounds too awkward though, so if you plan on | talking about it in the other chapters, it might be better to just | take it back out. | | On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Eric Christensen | wrote: |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |> Ha have to sh: SHA1 |> |> Keith, |> Sounds good. Just post when you have them back on the wiki. |> |> |> Thanks, |> Eric |> |> |> |> Keith Henkell wrote: |> |> | I copied chapters 2 and 3 for editing offline. I should be able to |> | copy any changes back up in 2-3 hours. |> | |> | |> | |> | On 4/29/08, Keith Henkell wrote: |> |> I'll take a look at it tonight. Is this staying in the wiki for now? |> |> |> |> |> |> |> |> On 4/29/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: |> |>> I think Chapters 1-3 in the Security Guide [1] are ready for review and |> |>> editing. Chapter 4 is getting close to being ready and Chapter 4.1 |> [2] is |> |>> already over on the final side. As soon as I get a little more time I |> |> hope |> |>> to have Chapter 4 ready for review (later tonight?). |> |>> |> |>> If someone can take a look at what I have I'd appreciate it greatly! |> |> Trying |> |>> to get this ready before F9. |> |>> |> |>> Eric |> |>> |> |>> |> |>> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide |> |>> [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/9/LUKSDiskEncryption |> |>> |> |>> -- |> |>> fedora-docs-list mailing list |> |>> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com |> |>> To unsubscribe: |> |>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list |> |>> |> | |> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |> Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) |> Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org |> |> iD8DBQFIF5zOL5V8yddJCO0RAq0VAJwMIjFE48+wHi+WA4ALRANBUm5VpwCfSC7M |> H9I68umCNxOrLvFPReXxBDI= |> =mTec |> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |> |> -- |> |> fedora-docs-list mailing list |> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com |> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list |> | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIF+SsL5V8yddJCO0RAtJRAJ0YAtexqA/VmCOqpHUZakHsCWqSowCdF/mT GMQRSuKo0yD2uIMXarzcFsc= =x3P4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Wed Apr 30 15:49:44 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 08:49:44 -0700 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-04-23 IRC log Message-ID: <1209570584.13073.100.camel@calliope.phig.org> HTML log here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080423 11:08 < quaid> 11:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda 11:08 < quaid> going to go through a quick rundown 11:08 < quaid> even though not sure anyone is here :) 11:09 * quaid waits exactly one minute to 18:10.20 11:09 -!- jsmith [n=jsmith at 72.21.36.138] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:09 * jsmith is here... at least in theory 11:09 < quaid> word 11:09 < jsmith> I'm juggling projects at the moment 11:09 < quaid> a few more seconds 11:10 * quaid is a juggle 11:12 -!- J5_ [n=quintice at nat/redhat/x-e216423445de749b] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:13 * quaid back from network drop, sry 11:13 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Installation Guide (IG) 11:14 < quaid> stickster has been doing some work on this 11:14 < quaid> all other work and EvilBob are MIA at this point 11:15 < quaid> going to send a request today to the list to get all hands on the IG and the UG from now 11:15 < quaid> anyone with anything else? 11:15 * quaid waits 30 seconds 11:15 < Southern_Gentlem> quaid i will get Evilbob on the IG this week 11:16 < quaid> Southern_Gentlem: thx; the concern is we don't know what was or was not done by his IG writing team 11:16 < quaid> so we're likely to duplicate or overcome that work 11:16 < quaid> which was, btw, why I argued for *all* that work to happen in regular irc, mailing list, and CVS 11:17 < quaid> but, good lord, yes, all hands are needed :) 11:17 * quaid prepares to move on topic-wise ... 11:17 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg - Update on other active content work 11:18 < quaid> User Guide -- finishing for F9, keep momentum going 11:18 < quaid> UG -- F8 finish, has to be put behind IG work now 11:18 < quaid> SMG -- couf passed on the XML work, now we need to get that bad boy published 11:19 * quaid ponders if jsmith wants to learn that particular trivia 11:19 < quaid> Sec G - sparks has been working on it, post F9 draft target 11:19 < quaid> AG - post f9 release draft target 11:20 < quaid> release notes -- were going to do some updates from the wiki to the POT but none of us followed through, we need to decide quickly if we are going to mess with that or not 11:20 < jsmith> quaid: Yeah, couf told me he gave me an A+ on it... I'm still in shock 11:20 < quaid> -- above discussion on list? 11:20 < jsmith> Yeah, push it to the list 11:20 < quaid> jsmith: eh, if you know DocBook it's not hard of a task :) 11:20 < quaid> ok, any more on that ol' content what is active? 11:21 < jsmith> Not that I can think of... 11:21 < jsmith> What exactly is involved in publishing the SMG? It got branched for the PackageKit update, right? 11:22 < jsmith> Did the PackageKit updates ever get put into DocBook? 11:22 < Southern_Gentlem> define SMG please 11:23 < Southern_Gentlem> IG is install guide UG is User Guide 11:23 < jsmith> SGM is the Software Management Guide 11:23 < Southern_Gentlem> ty and AG is? 11:23 < quaid> Admin GUide 11:23 < jsmith> (formerly the yum-software-management guide) 11:23 < quaid> sry for TLA fever :) 11:24 < quaid> jsmith: most likely no on the PK changes 11:24 < quaid> jsmith: publishing is ... 11:24 * quaid gets URL 11:24 -!- LetoT1 [n=paul at bofh.xelerance.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:25 < quaid> jsmith: anyway, I can show you after the meeting; that is, discuss it later out of the meeting :) 11:26 < jsmith> Fair enough 11:26 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- AOB 11:26 < jsmith> I don't know what else to discuss without the other folks here 11:26 < quaid> in that we are almost done :) 11:26 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- All Other Business (AOB) 11:26 < quaid> 'zactly 11:26 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EditingFedoraRedhatCom 11:26 < quaid> that's the evil that we do to get published still 11:26 < quaid> it's actually a bit like the other websites 11:27 < quaid> we check in changes and tag them LIVE 11:27 -!- DanseMakabre [i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:27 < quaid> it's all PHP includes to build the pages, with the rendering done and pushed as static HTML 11:27 -!- SmootherFrOgZ [n=Smoother at linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:28 < jsmith> Gotcha 11:28 < quaid> ok, with nothing more ... 11:28 * jsmith votes for ending the meeting 11:28 -!- mether_ [n=ask at nat/redhat-in/x-2972959aedb2ba42] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 11:28 < quaid> it is so 11:29 < quaid> 5 11:29 < Southern_Gentlem> +1 11:29 < quaid> 4 11:29 < quaid> 3 11:29 < quaid> 2 11:29 < quaid> 1 11:29 < quaid> 11:29 * quaid syncs irclogs and posts this easy one 11:29 < jsmith> So let it be written, so let it be done! 11:29 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 11:30 -!- letoams [n=paul at bofh.xelerance.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:31 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 11:32 -!- mether [n=ask at fedora/mether] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:41 -!- Sparks [n=sparks at fedora/Sparks] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:49 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at pd907c9d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:51 < quaid> I would like to announce to this channel 11:51 < quaid> that I am just a bit stupid 11:51 < quaid> and we will have the actual FDSCo meeting at the *scheduled* time, which is in 10 minutes 11:51 < quaid> if no one new shows up, then we'll just accept the work done previously :) 11:53 < jsmith> quaid: Consider that a "George Bush"-style preemptive meeting 11:54 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at pd907c9d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:57 < Sparks> quaid: I'm here! I'm here! 11:57 < quaid> jsmith: "I meant to do that" 11:57 < quaid> it was a test 11:57 < quaid> to see if you were awake 11:58 < jsmith> "Had this been an actual meeting, this tone would have been followed by emergency instructions" 11:58 < Sparks> Hey, I can do that in my sleep 11:58 < Sparks> :) 11:58 < Sparks> jsmith: HAHAHA 11:58 * jsmith can fix servers in his sleep... which is really scary 11:58 < Sparks> I think I've been asleep while attempting to fix servers... Just ask my boss. 11:58 < jsmith> Back when I was managing umpteen thousand servers, I could wake up, walk downstairs, log into the VPN, fix a server, go back to bed, and not remember in the morning 11:59 < jsmith> My wife would ask "Why did the pager go off last night?" and I'd be like "What are you talking about?" 11:59 < jsmith> But sure enough, I fixed the server and even sent out an email explaining what I fixed 11:59 < jsmith> Go figure... 11:59 < quaid> Sleepadmin 11:59 < Sparks> Yik4ed 11:59 < quaid> jsmith: freaking spooky! 11:59 < Sparks> uh... Yikes 12:00 < jsmith> quaid: Apparently I could do the same with changing baby diapers as well... 12:00 < quaid> oh, that one I understand 12:00 < jsmith> Just watch out... I might wake up and convert wiki to docbook in the middle of the night ;-) 12:01 < quaid> I used to have such a hard time coming out of a dream 12:01 < quaid> I remember once changing a diaper while dreaming I was wrestling with a rogue operating system 12:01 < quaid> ok, let's do it ... again 12:01 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg redux -- roll call 12:01 < quaid> the trick is ... 12:01 < quaid> if it's the same people, we can just ratify the last hour :) 12:02 < quaid> the irclog from before is in f-docs-l 12:02 < Sparks> EricChristensen 12:02 < jsmith> JaredSmith 12:02 < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-April/msg00090.html 12:02 < quaid> KarstenWade semi-here 12:02 < quaid> ok, so ... 12:03 < quaid> Sparks: do you see anything in that irclog you have a question about, comment on, etc.? 12:03 * Sparks reads the previous meeting's notes 12:03 < jsmith> Sparks: Can you also bring us up to speed on the current status of the SMG? 12:04 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg redux -- discuss !meeting log, wait for people to show up a bit late until 1910 12:04 < quaid> jsmith: ah, thx 12:04 < quaid> specifically, the PackageKit changes, do we need to get those into XML? 12:04 < Sparks> Um, I think I can talk on the SMG and the CryptoGuide 12:04 < jsmith> Cool. 12:05 * Sparks pulls up RH Bugzilla to pull some notes 12:05 < Sparks> Okay, I'm ready whenever the firing squad assembles 12:06 < jsmith> Fire! 12:06 < quaid> oh, go ahead 12:06 < Sparks> Okay... 12:06 < quaid> we're just going to make sure we don't close too soon, but with things to discuss :) 12:06 < Sparks> SMG. The only thing left was to add the PackageKit documentation which I had started but hadn't gotten enough info to finish. 12:07 < Sparks> RahulSundaram volunteered to finish up the documentation and thus ticket # 430765 was assigned to him. 12:07 < Sparks> That was on 02Apr. 12:08 < Sparks> I haven't heard anything else on the SMG since. 12:08 < quaid> I don't recall ... 12:08 * quaid checks commit stream 12:08 < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-relnotes-content/2008-April/thread.html 12:09 < quaid> it's Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide? 12:09 < quaid> oh, darn 12:09 < quaid> sorry, that list doesn't watch Docs/Drafts/ 12:09 < Sparks> Looking at what little I wrote for PackageKit it doesn't look like it has been touched. 12:09 < quaid> ok 12:10 < Sparks> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit 12:10 < quaid> so the issue is we need someone with expertise? 12:10 < quaid> or just access to the application? 12:10 < Sparks> Both 12:10 < Sparks> I have access to the application but with it still being developed it is hard to pin down the documentation. 12:11 < jsmith> Well, what's going into F9 should be pretty much frozen, right? 12:11 < Sparks> I think Rahul was supposed to write something for the Release Notes? 12:11 < quaid> well, what we see in Preview is going to be it 12:11 < jsmith> Can't we / shouldn't we document what's there? 12:11 < quaid> we can use that 12:12 < quaid> but 12:12 < quaid> the relnotes are just an overview 12:12 < quaid> and point to the SMG as canonical 12:12 < jsmith> Right... 12:12 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PackageKit 12:13 < quaid> under Documentation 12:13 < quaid> http://www.packagekit.org/pk-faq.html 12:13 < Sparks> The SMG as written today (and what I *THINK* made it into CVS) doesn't not address PackageKit but does address everything else. 12:13 < quaid> that's more of a reference, no how-to there 12:14 < Sparks> quaid: How much time do we have to develop this? 12:14 < quaid> 11 May? 12:14 < quaid> at the latest 12:14 < quaid> so we have time to give a final pre-publication once-over 12:15 < Sparks> Okay, I can try to write something up this week so that jsmith and you can look over it. 12:15 < quaid> ok, thanks! 12:15 < jsmith> w00t! 12:15 < Sparks> Did I just say that? 12:16 < quaid> yes, you did 12:16 < Sparks> Dang it! I hate when I do that. 12:16 < quaid> doing an update of the xML from the wiki by hand should be trivial 12:16 < quaid> Sparks: take it to the list, get some additional help 12:16 < quaid> someone may know of existing something or somesuch 12:17 * Sparks never gets help from the list because he always takes the grunt jobs. 12:17 < quaid> true 12:17 < Sparks> :_) 12:17 < quaid> but always worth the traffic 12:17 < Sparks> True 12:18 -!- J5_ [n=quintice at nat/redhat/x-e216423445de749b] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 12:19 -!- linuxlala [n=linuxlal at 122.162.116.130] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:19 < Sparks> Okay, that's all I got on SMG. I can speak on the CryptoGuide 12:21 < quaid> ok 12:21 < quaid> aka ... 12:21 < quaid> Security Guide 12:22 < quaid> have you laid out a new structure to work from? 12:22 * quaid goes to look 12:22 < Sparks> So... It was the CryptoGuide (which I personally think is a cool name) but got changed to the Privacy and Encryption Guide and is now called the Security Guide. 12:22 < Sparks> It starts at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Guide/ for the "approved and released" side. 12:23 < Sparks> But the meat and potatoes are actually at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide 12:24 < Sparks> Last weekend I churned some letters together and got the introduction rewritten, established a General Principles of Security chapter, and also wrote up how to do a secure installation. 12:25 < Sparks> Next is to do an overview of Encryption and then go into the different forms (data-at-rest, data-in-motion, etc). 12:25 < quaid> what is the Fedora Sec team interested in seeing? 12:25 < Sparks> a guide 12:25 < Sparks> :) 12:25 < quaid> and how do you feel about the balance of Fedora-specific to general sec info? 12:26 < Sparks> Actually, they want to see the encryption stuff written up so it is easily read and... 12:26 < Sparks> they wanted to see general things to do when setting up Fedora and using Fedora. 12:26 < quaid> right, if there is nothing appropriate that makes sense of it for people, no reason not to write it ourselves. 12:26 -!- nphilipp [n=nils at dslb-088-067-058-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:27 < Sparks> quaid: I think I have written everything to be as specific to Fedora as possible. 12:27 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa at fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:27 < quaid> Sparks: no worries, as long as you are having fun 12:28 < quaid> Sparks: another group we can put you in contact with, for content sources, ideas, and consumption, should be the Free IPA and Dogtag projects 12:28 < Sparks> I haven't completely fleshed out everything that I want to put into the doc but I'd like to get Chapters 1 through 3 approved and moved over to the public side before F9 being that people are being asked to go there for information on the Encryption. 12:28 < quaid> +1 12:28 < Sparks> quaid: I'm definately having fun with this one. 12:28 < jsmith> +1 12:28 < quaid> iirc, that content is pretty well vetted already, right? 12:28 < quaid> Ch 1 .. 3 12:29 < Sparks> Yeah, I want to talk about PKI (aka Dog Tag) in there too. 12:29 < quaid> yeah, those guys surely want some help with that content 12:29 < quaid> but also .. 12:29 < Sparks> The information is well vetted... BUT I want someone to look over it to 1) sanity check me, 2) grammar check me, and 3) make sure what I'm saying is what Fedora wants me to say. 12:30 * quaid looks 12:30 < quaid> Sparks: yeah, technical edit was my primary concern there 12:30 * Sparks drools over the thought of the Dog Tag project. 12:30 < quaid> you know there are existing docs, right? 12:30 < quaid> the question is, as usual, do we get access to them ... 12:30 < Sparks> What existing docs are you speaking of? 12:31 < quaid> Cert System docs 12:31 < Sparks> Hmmm 12:31 < quaid> + Directory Server docs 12:31 < quaid> not all relevant, but some 12:31 < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/cert-system/ 12:31 < quaid> http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/dir-server/ 12:32 < Sparks> Hmmm... I'll have to look at those further. 12:32 * quaid was once-upon-a-time lead writer for that, when we started the conversion of the 3000+ pages from FrameMaker to HTML to XML 12:32 < Sparks> :) 12:33 < Sparks> Where does F8/F9 fall in with RHEL? Is it closer to RHEL 5 than RHEL 4? 12:33 < quaid> yeah, it may not be relevant, who knows? 12:33 < quaid> well, sure, it's closer 12:33 < quaid> quite a bit 12:33 < quaid> but yeah, it's a hard thing to reference old RHEL content, which we have done on-and-off over the years 12:34 < Sparks> Okay. That's good to know as most of the documentation that I'm referencing is designed for RHEL 5. 12:34 < quaid> right 12:34 < Sparks> True 12:34 < jsmith> brb 12:34 < Sparks> RH hasn't released a Security Guide for 5 yet. 12:36 < quaid> I think that content was rolled in to the Deployment Guide 12:36 < Sparks> So with that said, I think I'll be cleaning up the Encryption stuff later this week so it can go out the door. 12:36 < quaid> sweet 12:37 < Sparks> quaid: What's the possibility of rolling out a secure version of Fedora in the future? 12:37 * quaid thought that stuff was secure 12:37 < quaid> Sparks: make a spin? or something different? 12:37 < Sparks> quaid: I'm guessing we'd probably take more heat than on the SELinux debate. 12:38 < quaid> Sparks: how so? 12:38 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg -- All Other Business (AOB) 12:38 < Sparks> Well... There are a lot of things that could/should be done by the user to prevent malicious code or attackers from hacking you. TCPWrappers, setting up human groups and using sudo, etc 12:39 -!- fcrippa [n=fcrippa at 83.225.29.232] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:39 < Sparks> Locking down partitions... 12:39 < quaid> and rather than telling them how, make a version that does it automatically 12:39 < Sparks> I could go on and on... I'm only in chapter 2 of the DoD guide I'm using to harden three Fedora boxes right now and I was surprised at how much stuff there is. 12:39 < quaid> it sounds like a spin, to me 12:39 < Sparks> Well, I'd say do both. 12:40 < quaid> bunch of %post scripts? 12:40 < quaid> well, ok, see, here is where this is on topic for Docs 12:40 < quaid> we've historically 12:40 < quaid> had a narrow vision and mission 12:40 < quaid> but have widened over time 12:40 < quaid> and like the rest of Fedora Project proper 12:40 < quaid> we can expand to be upstream of content 12:40 < quaid> and do big guides, etc. 12:41 < Sparks> Hmmm.... The DoD has a script that runs and tells you what is wrong with your system but I haven't seen one that will fix everything for you because you don't know what setting will break an existing system. 12:41 * quaid wonders where bastion-linux is these days 12:41 * Sparks sees this as a possible big guide 12:42 < quaid> Sparks: well, look at the content in the RHEL 5 Deployment Guide, see what you would re-use in such a Security Guide if oyu had it 12:43 < Sparks> Maybe it is just me but I read my logs every morning to see what's been going on. I don't know if most people do that or not but if they do then they are probably a little concernes with security. 12:43 * Sparks looks for the Deployment guide. 12:43 < quaid> start at rh.com/docs 12:43 < Sparks> Got it 12:43 < quaid> logwatch++ too 12:43 < Sparks> :) 12:44 * quaid meant Bastille Linux but had a brain frack 12:44 -!- smooge [n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu] has quit ["-ENOCAFFEINE"] 12:45 < Southern_Gentlem> most admins consider tcpwrappers as a last resort 12:45 < Sparks> But it is the dumb things, like not using IPv6 but having it running, that allow an attacker to gain access to the system because of the default settings. 12:45 < Southern_Gentlem> Sparks, explain that 12:45 < quaid> Sparks: the IPv6 setting sounds like a bug or an f-devel-l discussion 12:46 < Southern_Gentlem> Sparks, if there network doesnt support ip6 how are they at risk 12:47 < Sparks> The IPv6 thing is *unix wide 12:47 < Southern_Gentlem> no not all networks support ipv6 12:47 < Sparks> Because IPv6 allows for autoconfiguration and allows an attack vector to the networking stack. 12:48 < Sparks> true, however if you are using newer equipment (like a new switch) you have an attack vector because a lot of network switches will pass it along with the IPv4 packet. 12:49 < Southern_Gentlem> but i am talking on old switches which are still out there in force 12:49 < Sparks> You have a mitigating factor if your WAN connection doesn't support IPv6. This wouldn't be so much of a problem for a home user. 12:49 < Southern_Gentlem> guess what? thats your main audience in fedora 12:49 < Sparks> But if Fedora was deployed in a larger setting then you could have a problem. 12:50 < Sparks> guess what, you don't know where Fedora is and what it is being used for. 12:50 < Sparks> I'm not saying that everyone should follow everything in the book, I'm saying that they should know where the information is and know how to use the information if they deem it necessary to secure their box. 12:51 < Sparks> I know of places where Fedora is used in a more... enterprise setting. 12:52 < Sparks> Not a problem. I talked with the sysadmin and made sure he knew what docs he needed to consult so he could secure his system. 12:53 < Sparks> Anyway, the IPv6 thing was only an example. There are lots of settings for passwords and using AIDE and securing your SSH that would be useful to most users, IMO. 12:55 < quaid> ok, I think we have wandered afar enough :) 12:55 * quaid is back from a distraction 12:56 < quaid> I'll trim back a bit and send out both logs asap 12:56 < quaid> anything else? 12:56 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at p54B11960.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:56 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at pd907c9d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:56 < Sparks> Nothing here 12:56 -!- fbijlsma [n=fbijlsma at pd907c9d7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #fedora-meeting 12:57 < Sparks> Where did jsmith go? 12:57 < quaid> ok 12:57 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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