From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Feb 1 02:25:36 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:25:36 -0800 Subject: Features for F-9 In-Reply-To: <1201821480.8025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201821480.8025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47A28320.3080403@redhat.com> Marc Wiriadisastra said the following on 01/31/2008 03:18 PM Pacific Time: > Hey all, > > Just listing some features which were are documented for F-9. It might > be an idea to see what changes are going to take place specifically to > update the docs. > > The other links are more for people to know what has been approved and > will make it into Fedora. > > The install guide may need to be looked at. > > > Cheers, > > > Marc > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureEncryptedFilesystems > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/SecondStageInstallSource > > The entire list is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Feb 1 02:31:43 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:31:43 +0900 Subject: Features for F-9 In-Reply-To: <47A28320.3080403@redhat.com> References: <1201821480.8025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47A28320.3080403@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1201833103.8025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:25 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Marc Wiriadisastra said the following on 01/31/2008 03:18 PM Pacific Time: > > Hey all, > > > > Just listing some features which were are documented for F-9. It might > > be an idea to see what changes are going to take place specifically to > > update the docs. > > > > The other links are more for people to know what has been approved and > > will make it into Fedora. > > > > The install guide may need to be looked at. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureEncryptedFilesystems > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/SecondStageInstallSource > > > > > > The entire list is here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList > Thanks for that. I'm hoping for the PreUpgrade since that will solve a lot of the complaining about upgrading. Cheers, Marc From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 06:34:08 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 07:34:08 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Valent, > Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. > > Eric I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. Like this one: "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From vnk at mkc.co.nz Fri Feb 1 06:59:40 2008 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:59:40 +1300 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Valent, >> Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. >> >> Eric > > I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the > FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions > poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. > > Like this one: > "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and > shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." > Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft Administration Guide. You can find it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora 9, which should give it more visibility. I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper. > I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels > that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know > where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these > howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? > There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed. Cheers, Vladimir > Valent. > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 09:29:44 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:29:44 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Valent, > >> Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. > >> > >> Eric > > > > I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the > > FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions > > poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. > > > > Like this one: > > "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and > > shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." > > > Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft > Administration Guide. You can find it here: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer > > It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora > 9, which should give it more visibility. Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here is my experience. I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted. > I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client > might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper. > > > I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels > > that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know > > where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these > > howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? > > > There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the > ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit > short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining > the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as > much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed. I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just say how. Cheers, Valent. > Cheers, Vladimir > > > Valent. > > -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Feb 1 10:34:13 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:34:13 +0900 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1201862053.8025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:29 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > >> > > >> Valent, > > >> Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. > > >> > > >> Eric > > > > > > I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the > > > FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions > > > poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. > > > > > > Like this one: > > > "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and > > > shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." > > > > > Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft > > Administration Guide. You can find it here: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer > > > > It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora > > 9, which should give it more visibility. > > Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and > didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. > I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here > is my experience. > I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service > to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when > you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting > scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts > netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on > shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted. > > > I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client > > might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper. > > > > > I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels > > > that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know > > > where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these > > > howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? > > > > > There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the > > ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit > > short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining > > the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as > > much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed. > > I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki > editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation > of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, > multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if > you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just > say how. > > Cheers, > Valent. > > > Cheers, Vladimir > > > > > Valent. > > > Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and not network manager. I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier. e.g. service network restart ifup eth0 chkconfig network on chkconfig NetworkManager off This is one issue with Network Manager. Cheers, Marc From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:34:11 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:34:11 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <1201862053.8025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> <1201862053.8025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 11:34 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 10:29 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > > > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: > > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > > >> > > > >> Valent, > > > >> Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. > > > >> > > > >> Eric > > > > > > > > I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the > > > > FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions > > > > poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. > > > > > > > > Like this one: > > > > "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and > > > > shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." > > > > > > > Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft > > > Administration Guide. You can find it here: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer > > > > > > It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora > > > 9, which should give it more visibility. > > > > Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and > > didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. > > I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here > > is my experience. > > I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service > > to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when > > you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting > > scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts > > netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on > > shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted. > > > > > I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client > > > might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper. > > > > > > > I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels > > > > that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know > > > > where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these > > > > howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? > > > > > > > There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the > > > ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit > > > short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining > > > the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as > > > much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed. > > > > I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki > > editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation > > of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, > > multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if > > you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just > > say how. > > > > Cheers, > > Valent. > > > > > Cheers, Vladimir > > > > > > > Valent. > > > > > > Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and > not network manager. > > I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will > start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier. > > e.g. service network restart > ifup eth0 > chkconfig network on > chkconfig NetworkManager off > > This is one issue with Network Manager. > > Cheers, > > Marc And then I loose all the wireless magic that I can't do without on my laptop :( -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 11:35:41 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 12:35:41 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> <1201862053.8025.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 12:34 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > Only way around that is to start using the internal/console network and > > not network manager. > > > > I would say that it is a bug but it isn't really. Network Manager will > > start when you start gnome/kde where as fstab starts a lot earlier. > > > > e.g. service network restart > > ifup eth0 > > chkconfig network on > > chkconfig NetworkManager off > > > > This is one issue with Network Manager. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > And then I loose all the wireless magic that I can't do without on my laptop :( Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, and I need samba shares also... -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From gayleard at eircom.net Fri Feb 1 13:25:03 2008 From: gayleard at eircom.net (Timothy Murphy) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 13:25:03 +0000 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote: > Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, Why? I do it all the time ... From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Feb 1 15:41:41 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:41:41 -0800 Subject: Features for F-9 In-Reply-To: <1201833103.8025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201821480.8025.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47A28320.3080403@redhat.com> <1201833103.8025.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47A33DB5.4080000@redhat.com> Marc Wiriadisastra said the following on 01/31/2008 06:31 PM Pacific Time: > On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 18:25 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: >> Marc Wiriadisastra said the following on 01/31/2008 03:18 PM Pacific Time: >>> Hey all, >>> >>> Just listing some features which were are documented for F-9. It might >>> be an idea to see what changes are going to take place specifically to >>> update the docs. >>> >>> The other links are more for people to know what has been approved and >>> will make it into Fedora. >>> >>> The install guide may need to be looked at. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Marc >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureEncryptedFilesystems >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Features/SecondStageInstallSource >>> >>> >> The entire list is here: >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureList >> > > Thanks for that. I'm hoping for the PreUpgrade since that will solve a > lot of the complaining about upgrading. > > Cheers, > > Marc > And if you follow fedora-devel-announce I just sent another plea for feature owners to update the documentation and release notes sections of their feature if not completed yet. John From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 15:51:12 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:51:12 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, > > Why? > I do it all the time ... > I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...) If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on by default in fedora? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 1 16:35:53 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:05:53 +0530 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >>> Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, >> Why? >> I do it all the time ... >> > > I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for > using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... > (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...) > > If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on > by default in fedora? Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is off-topic for this list. Rahul From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 17:29:03 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:29:03 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010929t6ae1adfey93493135cffc4a34@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 5:35 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > On Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> On Friday 01 February 2008 11:35:41 am Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> > >>> Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, > >> Why? > >> I do it all the time ... > >> > > > > I didn't find anything that works anywhere near NetworkManager for > > using wireless network and hoping to different ones all the time... > > (home, work, random place that has open wifi :), internet cafes...) > > > > If you have please share it, and if there is such a tool why isn't on > > by default in fedora? > > Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is > off-topic for this list. > > Rahul This it is not a discussion about wireless tools. And I believe that is polite to answer when somebody asks you a question. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Feb 1 17:31:14 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:31:14 +0100 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <20080131185845.GC24305@localhost.localdomain> <64b14b300801312234u293224aeybbb1fdfeb8f7f3c4@mail.gmail.com> <47A2C35C.7070905@mkc.co.nz> <64b14b300802010129t5f7304cfxdba64dc276ead1b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300802010931q4763eb55xf851bb5eea2be0db@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 1, 2008 10:29 AM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Feb 1, 2008 7:59 AM, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > > > > > > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > On Jan 31, 2008 7:58 PM, Eric H Christensen wrote: > > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> Hash: SHA1 > > >> > > >> Valent, > > >> Not sure exactly what Howto you are looking for but there are documents at http://docs.fedoraproject.org and on the Fedora Project Wiki. > > >> > > >> Eric > > > > > > I'm asking if there are answers to most common questions, I see the > > > FAQ but those are the most basic Q&A and I see lots of questions > > > poping up on mailinlists and forums that don't have answers. > > > > > > Like this one: > > > "How can I setup samba to work (mount & unmount on bootup and > > > shutdown) in Fedora 8 (there are SELinux and NetworManager issues)." > > > > > Valent, I recently wrote samba paper as a section of the draft > > Administration Guide. You can find it here: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide/Servers/SambaServer > > > > It's paragraph 5.5. Guide is set for release with the release of Fedora > > 9, which should give it more visibility. > > Thanks for the link it is great, but I was actually thinking (and > didn't write it) about samba client issues I found in Fedora 8. > I'm not a real admin so I'm probably doing something wrong, but here > is my experience. > I setup samba mount points in /etc/fstab and if I enable netfs service > to start in runlevel 3 that it fails becase network is up only when > you log in and gnome starts NetworkManager. There are ways of putting > scripts in NetworkDispatch folder so that when NEtworkManager starts > netfs service starts and mounts samba shares but this fails on > shutdown becasuse network goes down before samba shares are unmounted. > > > I don't use Network Manager and am not aware of the issues samba client > > might have with it. SElinux requirements are explained in the same paper. > > > > > I know that there are lots of knowledgeable fedora users and devels > > > that can answer these and similar questions but new users need to know > > > where to look for them. Can something be done so that somewhere these > > > howto Q&A are accesible easily to new users - maybe some wiki page? > > > > > There is nothing standing in a way of someone who wants to take the > > ownership of any new useful documentation, including FAQ. We are a bit > > short-handed at the moment though - would you be interested in joining > > the docs project, perhaps and start on this one? I'm happy to help as > > much as I can, more once AdminGuide work is completed. > > I'm willing to help work on HowTos wiki page, but I'm new to wiki > editing so somebody should probably instead of me lay the foundation > of the wiki page - the paragraphs, sections (networking, desktop, > multimedia... etc...) and I'll start working on it after that of if > you have some other way how it is done and how I can contribute just > say how. > > Cheers, > Valent. > > > Cheers, Vladimir > > > > > > Valent. To get back to original thread. If you believe that this should be started I'll contribute to HowTo section. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 1 17:46:58 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:16:58 +0530 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802010929t6ae1adfey93493135cffc4a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010334r1b2ec420rdebb5b5de0ccaf9@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010335m2d78dfb4xeb54de6f7275ccc3@mail.gmail.com> <200802011325.03571.gayleard@eircom.net> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300802010929t6ae1adfey93493135cffc4a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A35B12.5090906@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > > This it is not a discussion about wireless tools. And I believe that > is polite to answer when somebody asks you a question. It clearly looks like a discussion about the functionality of Network Manager and alternatives and presence of such alternatives in the Fedora repository, none of which this list is concerned with. Take it elsewhere. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PostIsOffTopic Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 01:41:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:41:07 -0500 Subject: Translated WIKI: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: <479DA88E.2050304@fedoraproject.org> References: <479DA88E.2050304@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1201916467.5293.11.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 15:33 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Marcelo Mart?nez wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > > > I think it is very important that this section be translated into other > > languages: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview > > > > I will talk with a friend who has a better English to translate the > > Spanish section. > > > > When I get the translated text will posted here. > > Paul, weren't you planning to revise this document? Yes. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From dimitris at glezos.com Sat Feb 2 10:18:22 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:18:22 +0200 Subject: Translated WIKI: Fedora Overview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d4237680802020218k2fcfbad0g91e59b02d45a4bc8@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 11:40 AM, Marcelo Mart?nez wrote: > Hello everyone! > > I think it is very important that this section be translated into other > languages: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview +1 for translations on this content, it's definitely an important (if not the most important) piece of information on the wiki. We have an ongoing effort to move such content (reaching users and not used for development or continuously changing) from the wiki to fedoraproject.org, in order to have it localized more easily and serve it as static content to keep the load on the servers low. So bear in mind that the doc will be revised and probably moved to a PO-based localized form soon. -d > > I will talk with a friend who has a better English to translate the Spanish > section. > > When I get the translated text will posted here. > > Regards, > Marcelo .- > > -- > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From gayleard at eircom.net Sat Feb 2 13:28:17 2008 From: gayleard at eircom.net (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 13:28:17 +0000 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> On Friday 01 February 2008 04:35:53 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>> Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, > >> > >> Why? > >> I do it all the time ... > Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is > off-topic for this list. I agree that my (very brief) retort was OT. However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. All the Fedora documents I have seen on the topic simply give recipes for getting WiFi working, with no discussion of what to do if the recipe does not work, which is all too often the case, as Fedora newsgroups and mailing lists testify. From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 2 16:21:18 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 08:21:18 -0800 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <1201969278.3460.108.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > ... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. An on topic response is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current resources. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 From stickster at gmail.com Sat Feb 2 20:35:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:35:15 -0500 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <1201969278.3460.108.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> <1201969278.3460.108.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1201984515.10863.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 08:21 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > ... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. > > An on topic response is: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML > > There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and > only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current > resources. By which we mean, please get involved and help us fix this glaring omission! -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Feb 3 12:22:04 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:52:04 +0530 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <47A5B1EC.8060200@fedoraproject.org> Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Friday 01 February 2008 04:35:53 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >>>>> Turning off NetworkManager is not an option with laptops, >>>> Why? >>>> I do it all the time ... > >> Please take this discussion about wireless tools elsewhere. It is >> off-topic for this list. > > I agree that my (very brief) retort was OT. > > However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, > and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that desire? That would indeed be on-topic. Rahul From gayleard at eircom.net Sun Feb 3 13:50:55 2008 From: gayleard at eircom.net (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 13:50:55 +0000 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <47A5B1EC.8060200@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> <47A5B1EC.8060200@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <200802031350.55355.gayleard@eircom.net> On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:22:04 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, > > and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. > > Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that > desire? That would indeed be on-topic. Unfortunately, I lack the basic knowledge to write such a document, though I would gladly help if anyone else was working on it. Many years ago Jean Tourrihes wrote a great article on the subject, , but sadly this is very out of date. I haven't seen anything since then with anything like the same scope. I'm pretty sure someone writing on the topic needs to know how WiFi works at the lowest hardware level, which I am completely ignorant of. It has always seemed to me that one of the advantages of Linux, as opposed to Windows, is that one can document a topic from bottom up, explaining how the underlying hardware concepts are implemented in applications. From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 01:49:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:49:24 -0500 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <200802031350.55355.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> <47A5B1EC.8060200@fedoraproject.org> <200802031350.55355.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: On Feb 3, 2008 8:50 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > On Sunday 03 February 2008 12:22:04 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > > However, I do think that WiFi is the weakest aspect of Fedora, > > > and a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. > > > > Are you willing to contribute and write a document to fulfill that > > desire? That would indeed be on-topic. > > Unfortunately, I lack the basic knowledge to write such a document, > though I would gladly help if anyone else was working on it. Tim, It is a common misconception that you need to know all about something to document it. Nothing could be further from the truth. You only have to have a desire to document it. Developers are almost unanimously happy to impart knowledge to someone who's documenting their work, as opposed to just trying to use it. Documentation means publicity, which leads to users, which leads to stomping bugs. If you want this to happen, you can make it so. Start an appropriate wiki page and get in contact with the appropriate maintainers. Rahul may be able to help you find the right developer to, for example. Best of luck and thanks for being interested enough to follow up this far. Paul W. Frields (sig-less) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 4 02:28:33 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 07:58:33 +0530 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> <47A5B1EC.8060200@fedoraproject.org> <200802031350.55355.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <47A67851.5010307@fedoraproject.org> Paul Frields wrote: > If you want this to happen, you can make it so. Start an appropriate > wiki page and get in contact with the appropriate maintainers. Rahul > may be able to help you find the right developer to, for example. > Best of luck and thanks for being interested enough to follow up this > far. The right developers are http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnLinville (upstream kernel wireless subsystem maintainer) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DanWilliams (NetworkManager developer and maintainer) Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 4 05:22:44 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:22:44 -0800 Subject: Fedora howtos ? In-Reply-To: <1201984515.10863.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> References: <64b14b300801311049t32d807a5m6e5a44a68a92df8e@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300802010751j29881866ncdd3638a7eb143a8@mail.gmail.com> <47A34A69.2080002@fedoraproject.org> <200802021328.18004.gayleard@eircom.net> <1201969278.3460.108.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201984515.10863.1.camel@bettie.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <1202102564.27164.59.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 15:35 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 08:21 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-02-02 at 13:28 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > ... a clear document dealing with this is much to be desired. > > > > An on topic response is: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiWritingDrafting > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML > > > > There are a million ideas for what should be documented in Fedora, and > > only about 0.00002% of them can be handled by this project's current > > resources. > > By which we mean, please get involved and help us fix this glaring > omission! +1 -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 4 17:47:09 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:47:09 -0800 Subject: Spam Mail and Fedora-docs subscribers In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0801310129t199cc4b9o6cc345a4ad8a786f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0801310129t199cc4b9o6cc345a4ad8a786f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202147229.10079.15.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 12:29 +0300, John Babich wrote: > Fedora Infrastructure Team: > > For the past several weeks, the Fedora Docs list has been hit hard (at > least 500+) with spam e-mails. They get rejected, but, I, as an owner > of the list, am getting flooded with these rejected notices, making my > job harder. Yeah, sorry about that. I usually filter those notices to the side (or Trash) then go in to clean out the moderation queue every week or so. Bob is doing something similar. If it gets to be too much right now, you can use the password to log in to the admin interface then remove yourself as an admin. When we get the spam filtering in place from Mike, you can log back in and add yourself back. The main purpose of that group is to receive fedora-docs-list-owner email; it does not provide access permissions. > I also notice an increase in unsubscribe notices, which may be unrelated. Unrelated, the spam isn't getting through to the list. FWIW, I've felt before that it seemed the unsubs were overtaking the subs. I do know from watching it for a long time, the list membership size fluctuates but has been continuously and slowly rising over the years. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We have two things with the word "one" in their name, both under discussion: * One-sheet release notes for alpha, beta releases * OneSummary that provides a single source of summary for a release to distribute into final release notes, press kits, etc. I propose renaming OneSummary (it's the late comer). How about SingleSummary? SingleOverview? > Is there any point maintaining the distinction between the Release Notes > and the #/Summary? It is just that parts of a single-source summary are useful in the release notes; maybe even all of it. > Hmm that's all I can think for now :) I especially like the idea of > targeting Desktop/Server etc... So, with the new understanding, how does this proposal look for a single-sourced summary? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 4 21:16:39 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:16:39 -0800 Subject: Wiki Gardening In-Reply-To: <1201520298.2738.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <479DA88E.2050304@fedoraproject.org> <1201520298.2738.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1202159799.10079.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 11:38 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I guess this is the best place to post about this, but I noticed some > people talking about trying to re-organise the wiki a bit and wondered > if anybody wanted a hand with it? We came up with a scheme and can implement it somewhere as a reference. We first thought the SELinux pages would do good. Our own DocsProject could, as well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening#New_Organizational_Scheme Ask away about what doesn't make sense there. Folks involved in making that scheme include myself, Paul, Jared Smith, Clint Savage (herlo), and Tomen T'se. (Sorry for any misspellings.) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 21:51:25 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 21:51:25 +0000 Subject: One Summary outline draft In-Reply-To: <1202159648.10079.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1201641982.5621.205.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201707578.2759.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159648.10079.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> > So, with the new understanding, how does this proposal look for a > single-sourced summary? I would say it looks good, and perhaps something like what me and Rahul have worked on today as a practical example (although this has come under the title Release Notes, it's clearly lacking the technical content you would ascribe to the Release Notes, so is more like the single-sourced summary): http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes Maybe we can build on this and refine it for the Beta release, and even incorporate the more technical info? Jon From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Feb 4 21:57:41 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:57:41 +0900 Subject: One Summary outline draft In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201641982.5621.205.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201707578.2759.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159648.10079.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202162261.2669.46.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 21:51 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > So, with the new understanding, how does this proposal look for a > > single-sourced summary? > > I would say it looks good, and perhaps something like what me and > Rahul have worked on today as a practical example (although this has > come under the title Release Notes, it's clearly lacking the technical > content you would ascribe to the Release Notes, so is more like the > single-sourced summary): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes > > Maybe we can build on this and refine it for the Beta release, and > even incorporate the more technical info? > > Jon > Quick note I changed the URL from Fedora 8 to Fedora 9 alpha. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Feb 4 21:59:21 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:59:21 +0900 Subject: One Summary outline draft In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201641982.5621.205.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201707578.2759.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159648.10079.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202162361.2669.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 21:51 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > So, with the new understanding, how does this proposal look for a > > single-sourced summary? > > I would say it looks good, and perhaps something like what me and > Rahul have worked on today as a practical example (although this has > come under the title Release Notes, it's clearly lacking the technical > content you would ascribe to the Release Notes, so is more like the > single-sourced summary): > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Alpha/ReleaseNotes > > Maybe we can build on this and refine it for the Beta release, and > even incorporate the more technical info? > > Jon > Side note KDE-Sig (Should it have a link to the SIG page) Should we link to the feature pages for more info? Cheers, Marc From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 22:03:27 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:03:27 +0000 Subject: Wiki Gardening In-Reply-To: <1202159799.10079.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <479DA88E.2050304@fedoraproject.org> <1201520298.2738.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159799.10079.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802041403s645f57act90bdfaa27c83dbf7@mail.gmail.com> > We came up with a scheme and can implement it somewhere as a reference. > We first thought the SELinux pages would do good. Our own DocsProject > could, as well: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening#New_Organizational_Scheme > > Ask away about what doesn't make sense there. Folks involved in making > that scheme include myself, Paul, Jared Smith, Clint Savage (herlo), and > Tomen T'se. (Sorry for any misspellings.) Call me stupid, but most of that doesn't make much sense to me!! I was about to talk out loud and try and make sense of it in this e-mail but realised I was getting no where. Any chance for a bit of an explanation? Perhaps with a concrete example to follow along, such as how it would function in the case of Docs and the DUG? Or have i missed the boat entirely!? Best wishes, Jon From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Feb 4 22:06:03 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:06:03 +0000 Subject: One Summary outline draft In-Reply-To: <1202162361.2669.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1201641982.5621.205.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1201707578.2759.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159648.10079.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <3263b11b0802041351q315a542vaad632a821eff712@mail.gmail.com> <1202162361.2669.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3263b11b0802041406g4cb49a0btd86f31c5028832d1@mail.gmail.com> > Side note KDE-Sig (Should it have a link to the SIG page) > > Should we link to the feature pages for more info? I'd like to figure out a consistent way to link to both the feature page and the upstream page where relevant but I've used to do it! If you've got any thoughts jump right in! Jon From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Feb 4 22:08:31 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:08:31 +0900 Subject: Wiki Gardening In-Reply-To: <1202159799.10079.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <479DA88E.2050304@fedoraproject.org> <1201520298.2738.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1202159799.10079.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1202162911.2669.51.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 13:16 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 11:38 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > I guess this is the best place to post about this, but I noticed some > > people talking about trying to re-organise the wiki a bit and wondered > > if anybody wanted a hand with it? > > We came up with a scheme and can implement it somewhere as a reference. > We first thought the SELinux pages would do good. Our own DocsProject > could, as well: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening#New_Organizational_Scheme > > Ask away about what doesn't make sense there. Folks involved in making > that scheme include myself, Paul, Jared Smith, Clint Savage (herlo), and > Tomen T'se. (Sorry for any misspellings.) > > - Karsten Maybe add a section for complete documents and not just use. What we get is then ----'books' DUG, AG ----'Use' Use has smaller documents more specific. e.g. fedora selinux guide/faq yum guide Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 23:57:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0500 Subject: Meeting 2008-02-05 Message-ID: <1202169470.5122.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi guys, I'm in orientation this week and not sure what my schedule is going to be like at meeting time tomorrow. I'm *REALLY* sorry if I miss again (second week in a row!) and beg your forgiveness. :-) Rest assured my schedule will be much more compatible with whatever we want to do starting Wednesday. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Feb 5 03:10:43 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:10:43 -0500 Subject: Encryption and Privacy Guide Input Message-ID: <47A7D3B3.20604@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A week ago I made some changes to the Encryption and Privacy Guide [1] (EPG) that was going to spread out and categorize all the information that you could possibly put into such a document. Quaid gave me a moment of pause when he said that we need to focus on Fedora-specific information. I agree and disagree at the same time. I don't think we need to reproduce a bunch of information that is already out there but I've also been taught to not keep telling people to go somewhere else for information. Here is what I propose... In order to provide a comprehensive guide that covers privacy and encryption that is available to Fedora I think we should cover in depth the Fedora-specific information while providing a summary and alternate paths for getting information for items that are more Linux-specific. There is already non-Fedora-specific information in our Docs (like a guide for using GPG [2}) that could be rolled into the EPG as a summary. ~ This would allow a guide that would be encompassing while not rewriting the book on everything security. Thoughts? 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 10:06:38 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:06:38 +0300 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 5, 2008 11:51 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >SSIA To All Interested: I updated the Meeting Agenda page for today's meeting. Please revise the agenda items before the start of the meeting. As always, all members of the Fedora Project are welcome to participate. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 10:09:00 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:09:00 +0300 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> FDSCo Members: BTW, this meeting time, Wednesdays at 2100 hrs UTC, works fine for me. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From vglafirov at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 15:48:48 2008 From: vglafirov at gmail.com (Vladimir Glafirov) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:48:48 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Vladimir Glafirov Message-ID: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> Hi, all. I would like to participate in Fedora Project as a translator of technical documentation or programs from English to Russian or opposite :) Name: Vladimir Glafirov City: Geneve Country: Switzerland Status: System Administrator/Architect Company: CERN (cern.ch) Computer Skills: 8 years of Linux/UNIX administration and development Languages: Russian (native), English (foreign, fluent), French (basics) From vglafirov at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 16:05:16 2008 From: vglafirov at gmail.com (Vladimir Glafirov) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:05:16 +0100 Subject: Self-Introduction: Vladimir Glafirov In-Reply-To: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> References: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A9DABC.3060405@gmail.com> Hi, all. I would like to participate in Fedora Project as a translator of technical documentation or programs from English to Russian (or opposite :) Name: Vladimir Glafirov City: Geneve Country: Switzerland Status: System Administrator/Architect Company: CERN (cern.ch) Computer Skills: 8 years of Linux/UNIX administration and development Languages: Russian (native), English (foreign, fluent), French (basics) PS: Sorry for duplicate, but I've forgot to include my GPG info. #GPG key and fingerprint. pub 1024D/D933BBED 2008-02-06 Key fingerprint = 43D4 34C3 3D7D 7225 D566 DA01 6671 EC84 D933 BBED uid Vladimir Glafirov (Vladimir Glafirov GPG) sub 2048g/4D37032F 2008-02-06 Best regards, Vladimir. From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 6 17:45:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 09:45:02 -0800 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:09 +0300, John Babich wrote: > FDSCo Members: > > BTW, this meeting time, Wednesdays at 2100 hrs UTC, works fine for me. Sorry, not sure where the confusion got into that page. We have been meeting on Tuesday at 2100 UTC. What would be best if you (John) could put your times in here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix ... and we'll get an update from Paul Frields as to what he likes, then maybe we can pick a new meeting time that matches all. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 18:10:30 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:10:30 +0300 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802061010j1fcf7168w4a48d3d3bc78f1bd@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 6, 2008 8:45 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:09 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > FDSCo Members: > > > > BTW, this meeting time, Wednesdays at 2100 hrs UTC, works fine for me. > > Sorry, not sure where the confusion got into that page. We have been > meeting on Tuesday at 2100 UTC. > Fine, but are we meeting tonight? That's what the email implies. > What would be best if you (John) could put your times in here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix > Will do... > ... and we'll get an update from Paul Frields as to what he likes, then > maybe we can pick a new meeting time that matches all. > No Problem. Best Regards, John "Still Confused" Babich Member, FDSCo From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 19:16:46 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:16:46 +0300 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802061010j1fcf7168w4a48d3d3bc78f1bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802061010j1fcf7168w4a48d3d3bc78f1bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802061116he89590ejce60ddc0165b5859@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 6, 2008 9:10 PM, John Babich wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 8:45 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:09 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > > FDSCo Members: > > > > > > BTW, this meeting time, Wednesdays at 2100 hrs UTC, works fine for me. > > > > Sorry, not sure where the confusion got into that page. We have been > > meeting on Tuesday at 2100 UTC. > > > > Fine, but are we meeting tonight? That's what the email implies. > Never mind - I just re-entered the same space-time continuum as everyone else. > > What would be best if you (John) could put your times in here: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix > > > > Will do... > I updated the time matrix (sounds like a knock-off sci-fi novel). > > ... and we'll get an update from Paul Frields as to what he likes, then > > maybe we can pick a new meeting time that matches all. > > > > No Problem. > Best Regards, John "Less Confused" Babich Member, FDSCo From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 6 19:31:25 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:31:25 -0800 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-05 IRC log Message-ID: <1202326285.23430.115.camel@calliope.phig.org> IRC log in pretty HTML format: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080205 13:01 < quaid> 13:01 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo meeting - greetings and role call 13:02 < quaid> well, I'm here 13:02 * EvilBob Bobjensen 13:04 < EvilBob> Do we have an agenda? 13:04 < quaid> well, sort of 13:04 < quaid> we have what we had last week 13:04 < quaid> I was lookig on list for anything new, and there isn't 13:04 < quaid> I think we'll have a quick meeting :) 13:04 < EvilBob> OK 13:05 < quaid> ok, so ... 13:05 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo - one summary 13:05 * couf here 13:05 < EvilBob> I have an update for the install guide also 13:05 < quaid> so, renamed SingleSummary 13:05 < quaid> and work still needs to happen to figure out what belongs where 13:06 < quaid> JonRob is doing a good job with it 13:06 < quaid> anything else on that? 13:06 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo - content status update 13:06 < couf> one small thing 13:06 < quaid> couf: go ahead 13:06 < couf> is this Docs-owned or Marketing? 13:07 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 13:07 < quaid> ~yes 13:07 < EvilBob> LOL 13:07 < quaid> couf: I think we need to both own the content, and wrangle it together 13:07 * couf not 100% up2date on that 13:07 < couf> right 13:08 < quaid> we'll get it figured out soon, I reckon, and on list 13:08 < quaid> EvilBob: go head with IG 13:08 < EvilBob> this is different than the one sheet release note, correct? 13:08 < quaid> yes 13:08 < quaid> but 13:08 < EvilBob> K 13:09 < quaid> we can pull from the SingleSummary to populate the top parts of the one-sheet, conceivably 13:09 < quaid> (if useful, etc.) 13:09 < quaid> EvilBob: IG? 13:10 < EvilBob> I am meeting with Paul on thursday evening, going to get going on the IG, I have recruited two helpers that do a majority of the installs in the fedora unity re-spin testing process 13:10 < EvilBob> So I will maybe need some CVS and docbook help in the comign weeks 13:10 < quaid> are you and Paul going to consider additions/enhancements to the IG? other than whatever changes come from anaconda 13:10 < EvilBob> coming 13:10 < EvilBob> quaid: exacty 13:11 < EvilBob> quaid: there are some areas that need more info to flesh the doc out 13:11 < quaid> do you know yet what F9 release or date we are targetting the IG beta for? 13:11 < couf> superb 13:11 < quaid> or is that after THur? 13:12 < EvilBob> after thursday 13:12 < EvilBob> I have not had a chance to look at that yet 13:12 < quaid> ok; can you make sure poelcat sees that info? presumably emailing the list should do it 13:12 < EvilBob> Yup 13:13 < quaid> ok; other IG stuffs? 13:13 < EvilBob> nope 13:14 -!- chased [n=themis at athedsl-341053.home.otenet.gr] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:14 < quaid> ok 13:14 < quaid> relnotes one-sheet for Fedora 9 Alpha 13:14 < quaid> went out today 13:15 < quaid> kudos to mether and jonrob for teaming up to get that one together; I had a few edits this morning 13:15 < couf> ++ 13:15 < quaid> although the wiki is having problems over the last few hours, it sounds as if it is not because of overt hammering of that page 13:15 < quaid> however, we need to include a ~12 hour ahead step next time to convert to a static page and link everywhere to there 13:16 < quaid> else? 13:16 < poelcat> what do I need to see? 13:16 < EvilBob> poelcat: our schedule for the install guide 13:17 < couf> DUG and AG are quite silent atm, but trying to get up to speed with everything right now 13:17 < EvilBob> poelcat: I will email you once I have a chance to look at the calendar 13:17 < poelcat> EvilBob: gotcha 13:17 < couf> got some more time on hands now, so it could be ready pretty quick 13:20 < EvilBob> next? 13:20 < quaid> couf: sorry if I got lost in this; are many of the wiki pages ready for "final before conversion" edits? 13:20 < quaid> As for the Software Management Guide (SMG): 13:20 < quaid> 1. Sparks has asked for input on list; gotten any from anywhere? 13:21 < quaid> 2. I was looking at how to change the bugzilla component but haven't gotten it figured yet 13:22 * quaid looks at that #2 whilst 1 is discussed 13:22 < couf> quaid: from what I've seen, it still needs some work, but it's almost at that point 13:22 < couf> some pages are pre-conv edit ready 13:22 < quaid> and are marked, right? 13:22 < couf> yep 13:23 < quaid> we can put out some pressure to edit; I'd like more people watching so e.g. Paul and I are passing along skills and tips 13:23 < couf> I'll send a list to the list 13:23 < quaid> cool 13:23 < quaid> that's a good idea; we can divide and conquer a bit more that way 13:24 < couf> yep 13:25 < quaid> ok, I'll work on the smg bz component separately 13:25 < quaid> it does bring up one point, we could use more makefile, scripting, tooling, and CVS admin expertise 13:25 < quaid> ok, and Crypto Guide ... 13:26 < quaid> Sparks: did you update that one for the new Anaconda features? 13:28 < quaid> ok ... 13:28 < quaid> we'll get updates on list for those 13:28 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo -- AOB 13:29 < quaid> I don't think we can chat about meeting times, and we have to plead "transition time" for not being able to handle the FDSCo chair elections 13:29 < EvilBob> Leadership 13:29 < quaid> (also, a lack of enough people) 13:29 < quaid> yeah, that stuff 13:29 < EvilBob> yup 13:29 < couf> we really need to get that sorted out 13:30 < EvilBob> OK next week new time or same time? 13:30 < couf> I know this time really isn't good for jmbuser, the rest is fine iirc 13:30 < EvilBob> do we want to take the meeting time issue to the list and decide there? 13:30 -!- vnk_fd [n=v-n-k at 60-234-169-11.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:31 < quaid> couf: problem is ... we don' 13:31 < quaid> t know what time is good for jmbuser 13:32 * EvilBob avoids saying "send the question to the list as spam so he will see it" 13:32 < couf> right, so we should get him to fill in the table, he's back in middle east right? 13:32 < couf> EvilBob: don't get me started 13:32 < EvilBob> I am so Evil... 13:33 -!- loupgaroublond [n=yankee at pool-71-182-187-11.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:34 < quaid> but so far I don't see a time that is good for everyone 13:34 < quaid> maybe stickster_afk can redo his part now 13:35 < couf> so can we settle this by next week on-list? 13:36 -!- loupgaroublond [n=yankee at pool-71-182-187-11.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 13:37 -!- loupgaroublond [n=yankee at pool-71-182-187-11.pitbpa.east.verizon.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 13:38 < EvilBob> I think so 13:41 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs at fedora/tibbs] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 13:41 < EvilBob> ? 13:41 < couf> +1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just approved your membership in cvsdocs. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 6 19:54:43 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:54:43 -0800 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-05 Summary Message-ID: <1202327683.23430.134.camel@calliope.phig.org> Remove this line, then fill in date above along with other details below Attendees: ----------- Robert 'Bob' Jensen (BobJensen) Bart Couvreur (couf) Karsten Wade (quaid) Summary: --------- * SingleSummary is the current moniker for the single-sourced release summary that covers technical and community focuses for a release, to be used in multiple locations. - Content is joint-ownership between Marketing and Docs - JonRob is leading the effort, working with Rahul - Still defining what we mean and how to do it ACTIONS * JonRob please meet with Karsten, Rahul on IRC to clear up understanding of the goal and how we'll do it * Installation Guide - Bob is meeting with Paul (current maintainer) to do a handover of maintenance - Fedora Unity has a few folks interested in contributing to the ongoing maintenance of this guide - More info by next meeting ACTIONS * Bob meet with Paul on Thursday, report IG plan and schedule to f-docs-l * Relnotes one-sheet for Alpha, Beta - Went out on time for F9 Alpha (thanks JonRob and Rahul) - In the future we need to freeze and convert to a static page for linking to for days around a release. - Plan should include reverting to editable ASAP ACTIONS * Karsten to coordinate with JonRob to make sure we make these process changes * DUG and AG - Parts ready for editing ACTIONS * Couf to send f-docs-l a list of chapters ready to edit * SMG - Parts ready for editing - Technical and wordsmithing editors needed ACTIONS * $EDITOR to work through converted SMG - Jared? * Crypto Guide - Eric still adding parts to this guide - Looking for technical editors to help shape and finalize content ACTIONS * Docs Project contributor needed to help Eric - You? * Meeting time - Need updates from John and Paul - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix - Possibly picking a new meeting time or two meeting times to alternate ACTIONS - Paul and John update the MeetingTimeMatrix page -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 6 19:58:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:58:21 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Vladimir Glafirov In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802061153n2c9748d8j7afdd7b350a60f8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> <47A9DABC.3060405@gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802061153n2c9748d8j7afdd7b350a60f8a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202327901.23430.137.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 22:53 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 7:05 PM, Vladimir Glafirov wrote: > > I would like to participate in Fedora Project as a translator of > > technical documentation or programs from English to Russian (or opposite :) > I just approved your membership in cvsdocs. Just a reminder to all that now that we have the 'cvsl10n' group, translators do not need to be in the 'cvsdocs' group to translate documentation. Nor self-introduce. I wonder if the instructions to do so are still appearing somewhere? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 20:59:46 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 23:59:46 +0300 Subject: Self-Introduction: Vladimir Glafirov In-Reply-To: <1202327901.23430.137.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> <47A9DABC.3060405@gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802061153n2c9748d8j7afdd7b350a60f8a@mail.gmail.com> <1202327901.23430.137.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802061259t48b0c31ckecb215098f250261@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 6, 2008 10:58 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 22:53 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > On Feb 6, 2008 7:05 PM, Vladimir Glafirov wrote: > > > > I would like to participate in Fedora Project as a translator of > > > technical documentation or programs from English to Russian (or opposite :) > > > I just approved your membership in cvsdocs. > > Just a reminder to all that now that we have the 'cvsl10n' group, > translators do not need to be in the 'cvsdocs' group to translate > documentation. I agree. At the same time, if someone is going to translate something from Russian to English, should they have membership in the 'cvsdocs' group as well as the 'cvslion' group? > Nor self-introduce. I wonder if the instructions to do > so are still appearing somewhere? > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList, which points to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 6 21:26:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:26:02 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction: Vladimir Glafirov In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802061259t48b0c31ckecb215098f250261@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A9D6E0.4000500@gmail.com> <47A9DABC.3060405@gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802061153n2c9748d8j7afdd7b350a60f8a@mail.gmail.com> <1202327901.23430.137.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802061259t48b0c31ckecb215098f250261@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202333162.23430.163.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 23:59 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Feb 6, 2008 10:58 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > At the same time, if someone is going to translate something from > Russian to English, should they have membership in the 'cvsdocs' group > as well as the 'cvslion' group? There is a lot of cross-over potential, yes. Absent of any other l10n group to help with English idioms, we should be happy to help with something like that. But most of that discussion is probably more for a Russian-focused l10n group where the group knows the source and target language. > > Nor self-introduce. I wonder if the instructions to do > > so are still appearing somewhere? > > > > See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join/CheckList, which > points to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SelfIntroduction. Heh, well, sure! I mean, is there somewhere instructing translators to follow the DocsProject/Join process? There used to be, but I thought it was cleaned up. Doesn't matter, really, unless we are wasting their time with the additional steps. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The plan, and excuse me if I get any details wrong, looks like this: [NB: the big misconception here, I've had it too!!, is that the SingleSourceSummary is not meant to be read from start to finish, but to increase co-ordination in working on these separate docs so we don't duplicate effort] Create a wiki page /Releases/SingleSourceSummary Flesh out that page with sections for: a) Press Release style summary b) Detailed Overview covering all features on /Releases/#/FeatureList either alphabetically or by coolness (latter is debatable as to how we would decide this!). This content is intended to be similar to the Alpha release notes, but with more! c) Technical Summary - brief but aimed at tech journalists d) Detailed Technical Summary - detailed and aimed at geeks, similar to release notes content now. This can then be split out by Include() to create targeted documents, such as press release, cool hip friendly marketing, release notes detailing technical changes etc... We'll then keep developing this page throughout the release cycle, and before each milestone (beta next) tidy up and make static versions of split docs so not to kill wiki. The idea is that by developing all this in one location we won't duplicate any work - we can see what is done and what's not done. Does this make sense? I'm planning on beginning to flesh out the structure of the page this coming week but dive in ahead of me if you like! Best wishes all, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 23:32:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:32:31 -0500 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team Message-ID: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's "publican" documentation tools? You'll especially want to attend if: * You're on the steering committee * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal documentation I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East Coast. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: | Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after | hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's | "publican" documentation tools? | | You'll especially want to attend if: | * You're on the steering committee | * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal | documentation | | I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just | reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team | is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). | When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. | Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East | Coast. | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHq6tTL5V8yddJCO0RAi03AJ9zBRnCSeN2N1JOHalBrwRLkUL/NACeMh3g CF+YMM6+BhoheH3CGeEUdFg= =8U6R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Feb 8 01:43:50 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 19:43:50 -0600 (CST) Subject: Moin 1.6 Upgrade Message-ID: We've successfully gotten a Moin 1.6 install up and migrated. Time for us to sit down, take a look and let us know what's up. Here's the ticket. There's likely to be lots of non-blocking bugs during this upgrade. We'll have to find how different things are. http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ <-- Wiki https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/337 <-- ticket Please place all notes, comments, questions, etc in the ticket. -Mike From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 8 02:26:51 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:26:51 -0800 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1202437611.4538.10.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 18:32 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > "publican" documentation tools? Is this teleconf or IRC? I'll actually be on EST on Wednesday, and it *has* to be after 6 pm, please: 4:20-6:00pm Business Keynote - Jim Whitehurst, CEO, Red Hat. Sacha Laborey, GM, Middleware Division, Red Hat. 6:00-8:00pm Cocktail Reception sponsored by Unisys I think later is probably better for me, no problem with pulling me away from the cocktail reception. ;-D - Karsten [1] http://www.jbossworld.com/agenda/ -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 8 02:42:45 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:42:45 -0800 Subject: Moin 1.6 Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1202438565.4538.15.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 19:43 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > We've successfully gotten a Moin 1.6 install up and migrated. Time for us > to sit down, take a look and let us know what's up. Here's the ticket. > There's likely to be lots of non-blocking bugs during this upgrade. We'll > have to find how different things are. > > http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ <-- Wiki > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/337 <-- ticket > > Please place all notes, comments, questions, etc in the ticket. Folks who know a document or section of the wiki, please look deeply into this test copy. We may find problems that we can fix across all the content in a migration, but which are no fun to fix manually after a migration. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the ticket. > > There's likely to be lots of non-blocking bugs during this upgrade. > We'll > > have to find how different things are. > > > > http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ <-- Wiki > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/337 <-- ticket > > > > Please place all notes, comments, questions, etc in the ticket. > > Folks who know a document or section of the wiki, please look deeply > into this test copy. We may find problems that we can fix across all > the content in a migration, but which are no fun to fix manually after a > migration. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 13:11:32 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 21:11:32 +0800 Subject: Moin 1.6 Upgrade In-Reply-To: <1202438565.4538.15.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202438565.4538.15.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <76e72f800802080511v67592bbeyaeb44bf5a546a05b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/2/8, Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > Folks who know a document or section of the wiki, please look deeply > into this test copy. We may find problems that we can fix across all > the content in a migration, but which are no fun to fix manually after a > migration. > Hi, Excuse me, but how should I examine the wiki pages and do the checks? Is this a test server or it may become live? Has the original wiki been made read-only? On this new wiki, "RecentChanges" do not work, and auto forwarding to language specific homepages is not working. I don't have time to probe it more deeply for now, but I do care about the above prolems. -- bbbush ^_^ From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Fri Feb 8 13:22:49 2008 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:22:49 +0100 Subject: Moin 1.6 Upgrade In-Reply-To: <76e72f800802080511v67592bbeyaeb44bf5a546a05b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1202438565.4538.15.camel@calliope.phig.org> <76e72f800802080511v67592bbeyaeb44bf5a546a05b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0802080522m7e17e0e4wd76d2ee59ead325b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Yuan, First of all you should keep this url [1] bookmarked (its where we are tracking everything). The wiki we are asking to be checked it's a test instance [2], which we used to upgrade from our current Moin-1.5.8 to Moin-1.6.1 This instance will not become live, when we set a date for the live upgrade, we will inform everyone and make sure that the wiki is set to read-only :) The RecentChanges have already the problem identified and it should be fixed pretty soon(tm) [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/337 [2] http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/wiki/ On Feb 8, 2008 2:11 PM, Yuan Yijun wrote: > 2008/2/8, Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > > > > > > Folks who know a document or section of the wiki, please look deeply > > into this test copy. We may find problems that we can fix across all > > the content in a migration, but which are no fun to fix manually after a > > migration. > > > > Hi, > > Excuse me, but how should I examine the wiki pages and do the checks? > Is this a test server or it may become live? Has the original wiki > been made read-only? > > On this new wiki, "RecentChanges" do not work, and auto forwarding to > language specific homepages is not working. I don't have time to probe > it more deeply for now, but I do care about the above prolems. > > > -- > bbbush ^_^ > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 8 14:12:09 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 06:12:09 -0800 Subject: Encryption and Privacy Guide Input In-Reply-To: <47A7D3B3.20604@christensenplace.us> References: <47A7D3B3.20604@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <1202479929.4538.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> Adding a couple of people to the discussion I'd like to supply an opinion to the discussion, but who may not be on the list. On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 22:10 -0500, Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A week ago I made some changes to the Encryption and Privacy Guide [1] > (EPG) that was going to spread out and categorize all the information > that you could possibly put into such a document. Quaid gave me a > moment of pause when he said that we need to focus on Fedora-specific > information. > > I agree and disagree at the same time. I don't think we need to > reproduce a bunch of information that is already out there but I've also > been taught to not keep telling people to go somewhere else for information. > > Here is what I propose... > In order to provide a comprehensive guide that covers privacy and > encryption that is available to Fedora I think we should cover in depth > the Fedora-specific information while providing a summary and alternate > paths for getting information for items that are more Linux-specific. I don't see a problem with this idea. You understand what the catch is and avoid it with the summary approach. We don't want to be maintaining miles and miles of content that is going to change from outside of Fedora on a regular basis, but we don't need to write it so that it is subject to regular change. All of those topics can have a small section summary of the technology. One way we could help the users is to identify the background they may want to skip and make it easy for them to learn how to skip it. Such as using a regular naming scheme and organization, what-is followed by how-to: GPG What is GPG How to use GPG SSH keys What are sshkeys How to create and use sshkeys File system encryption What is FS encryption How to encrypt a file system ... There could be more common section types, such as "Best practices", "Recipes", etc. depending on what the topic is. Following a consistent pattern helps the reader navigate to what they want. With each topic added (FS encrypt + gpg + ssh + ...) there is a non-linear increase in work load to maintain future versions. Once written it is less work to maintain it, but each section contains what and how information that has to be re-checked every six to twelve months. This does make for more modular technical editing, where someone can check all the what-is content purely from their own knowledge without having to check any implementation (how-to) details. > There is already non-Fedora-specific information in our Docs (like a > guide for using GPG [2}) that could be rolled into the EPG as a summary. > ~ This would allow a guide that would be encompassing while not rewriting > the book on everything security. One thing that is different there is that the GPG guide is specific to contributors. We would have to look at making it generic, then maintaining a separate page in the Get Involved Guide that told specifics about using GPG with the Fedora Project as a contributor. That seems like a sane approach. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mike at vegasitpros.com Fri Feb 8 16:24:05 2008 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:24:05 -0500 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team Message-ID: <20080208162406.33C385077F@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> what time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "For participants of the Documentation Project" Subject: Re: Meeting with RH Docs team Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 02:10:54 -0500 On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 18:26 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 18:32 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > > "publican" documentation tools? > > Is this teleconf or IRC? Sorry for not being clear -- this would be IRC. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug << signature.asc >> -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list Mike Dittmeier mike at vegasitpros.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 16:48:38 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:48:38 +0300 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <20080208162406.33C385077F@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20080208162406.33C385077F@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802080848i16762100g4bd1e1ad0d378ea0@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 8, 2008 7:24 PM, Mike Dittmeier wrote: > what time? > Definitely count me in, too, for the meeting. Remember that I am in GMT+3 time zone and work Saturday through Wednesday with an occasional Thursday morning (my time). Best Regards, John "FOSS Docs the FOSS Way" Babich From bob at fedoraunity.org Sun Feb 10 19:18:41 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:18:41 -0600 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > "publican" documentation tools? > > You'll especially want to attend if: > * You're on the steering committee > * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal > documentation > > I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just > reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team > is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). > When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. > Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East > Coast. > > Tell me when and where, I WILL be there. Robert 'Bob' Jensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 12:47:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:47:55 -0500 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-02-10 at 13:18 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > > "publican" documentation tools? > > > > You'll especially want to attend if: > > * You're on the steering committee > > * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal > > documentation > > > > I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just > > reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team > > is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). > > When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. > > Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East > > Coast. > > > > > > Tell me when and where, I WILL be there. OK, so how about Wednesday at 9:00pm EST (0100 UTC 2008-02-14)? We can post the IRC log here for those who can't make that time. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:10:11 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:10:11 -0500 Subject: reminder: FDSCo meeting at 2100 UTC on #fedora-meeting In-Reply-To: <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202244695.23430.46.camel@calliope.phig.org> <9d2c731f0802060206i35f5488fhe6e0e44f7d6cafef@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802060209w23b8badesc24aa939273562c@mail.gmail.com> <1202319902.23430.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1202735411.30487.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 09:45 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 13:09 +0300, John Babich wrote: > > FDSCo Members: > > > > BTW, this meeting time, Wednesdays at 2100 hrs UTC, works fine for me. > > Sorry, not sure where the confusion got into that page. We have been > meeting on Tuesday at 2100 UTC. > > What would be best if you (John) could put your times in here: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix > > ... and we'll get an update from Paul Frields as to what he likes, then > maybe we can pick a new meeting time that matches all. Done. I may have missed a commitment or two, not knowing what they all are quiet yet, so my entries are slightly bit subject to change. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 13:10:35 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:10:35 +0300 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802110510j1481f10aw87ac8dc7272219d4@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 11, 2008 3:47 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > OK, so how about Wednesday at 9:00pm EST (0100 UTC 2008-02-14)? We can > post the IRC log here for those who can't make that time. > Actually, it's 0200 UTC 2008-02-14. Use this link to determine the time in various time zones (based on 9 PM EST): http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=2&day=13&year=2008&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=179 Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 11 14:15:37 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:15:37 -0800 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1202739337.9111.100.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 07:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > OK, so how about Wednesday at 9:00pm EST (0100 UTC 2008-02-14)? We can > post the IRC log here for those who can't make that time. WORKSFORME Looking forward to the session. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Feb 11 14:26:38 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 06:26:38 -0800 Subject: some leadership thoughts Message-ID: <1202739998.9111.112.camel@calliope.phig.org> I want to throw out a couple of quick thoughts after some recent discussions. We haven't done the best job in enabling leaders in this project to become leaders *of* this project. For example, there is a fair bit of institutional knowledge scattered across the DocsProject pages and within my brain, Paul's brain, etc. Any new leader is challenged by that; becoming aware of all the subtlety of why and how we do things in Fedora Docs is a real challenge. Our focus has been on enabling new writers, and I think we've been fairly successful at making that work (look at all the great content work happening right now.) But when it comes time to enabling leaders to step forward and lead, small parts to large parts, there are some gaps. For example, what actually are the responsibilities of a 'Lead Writer'? I know in my own head, and maybe you do, too, but are they the same thoughts? Etc. Ultimately this makes it hard to attract new leaders to the steering committee or to grow a leader who can take over the project as the Chair/Docs Project Lead. When I took on this role some years ago, the explicit goal was to get the project going and get out of the way, making room for others to lead from within the larger Fedora community. For the most part, that goal has not been accomplished. This is not to say, "I'm tired of Docs and I want out." Actually, I've never been more excited to be a part of this team! But I don't want to keep all the fun to myself. Recently I've been talking with some of the other steering committee members (Paul, Bob, John) about how to improve on this. One idea we've had is to create a new position (Vice Chair). This position is intended to last for six months, at which point the person should be elected by the steering committee into being the Chair for the project. A Chair would then sit for a fixed period of time (12 months?), which gives enough time to bring another person up through the Vice Chair and be in position to be the next Chair. Anyway ... just wanted to get these ideas out there for larger discussion. At the least, let you all know, "There is room in the leadership circle for you." - Karsten "Sometimes the best way to lead is by getting out of the way." -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Frields wrote: > > > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > > > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > > > "publican" documentation tools? > > > > > > You'll especially want to attend if: > > > * You're on the steering committee > > > * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal > > > documentation > > > > > > I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just > > > reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team > > > is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). > > > When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. > > > Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East > > > Coast. > > > > > > > > > > Tell me when and where, I WILL be there. > > OK, so how about Wednesday at 9:00pm EST (0100 UTC 2008-02-14)? We can > post the IRC log here for those who can't make that time. I'll be at work so I can't make it sadly. Cheers, Marc From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Mon Feb 11 22:41:54 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:41:54 -0500 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1202769714.20755.3.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 07:47 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > OK, so how about Wednesday at 9:00pm EST (0100 UTC 2008-02-14)? We can > post the IRC log here for those who can't make that time. I'll be available at 9pm Wednesday night EST. -Jared From mike at vegasitpros.com Mon Feb 11 21:02:23 2008 From: mike at vegasitpros.com (Mike Dittmeier) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:02:23 -0500 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team In-Reply-To: <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47AF4E11.1070100@fedoraunity.org> <1202734075.30487.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1202763743.2974.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'll be there on Wednesday -- Mike "Ditt" Dittmeier, RHCE mike at vegasitpros.com pub 1024D/3F08ECFB 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] Key fingerprint = 8396 9850 E308 4EFF 1A22 6C5A 4FF5 DF6C 3F08 ECFB uid Mike Dittmeier sub 2048g/1E6E4DBD 2007-09-11 [expires: 2008-09-10] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bob at fedoraunity.org Tue Feb 12 04:03:54 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:03:54 -0600 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team - 0200UTC Feb 14 In-Reply-To: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47B11AAA.5070000@fedoraunity.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > "publican" documentation tools? > > You'll especially want to attend if: > * You're on the steering committee > * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal > documentation > > I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just > reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team > is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). > When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. > Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East > Coast. > > Meeting time and date confirmation. Feb 14, 2008 0200 UTC Freenode.net #fedora-docs Robert 'Bob' Jensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Feb 12 09:37:32 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 18:37:32 +0900 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team - 0200UTC Feb 14 In-Reply-To: <47B11AAA.5070000@fedoraunity.org> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47B11AAA.5070000@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <1202809052.24050.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 22:03 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Can Fedora Documentation folks be available next Wednesday evening after > > hours (EST) for an ad hoc meeting about the new RH Docs team's > > "publican" documentation tools? > > > > You'll especially want to attend if: > > * You're on the steering committee > > * You do (or intend to) work on the Release Notes or other formal > > documentation > > > > I would like to give a time to the RH Docs team by NLT Tuesday -- just > > reply here with times you CANNOT do. Please remember that RH Docs team > > is in Brisbane, Australia, which is UTC +10 (or 15 hours ahead of EST). > > When it's 6:00pm Eastern, it's 9:00am the next day in Brisbane. > > Therefore, we really need to do this after hours, at least on the East > > Coast. > > > > > > Meeting time and date confirmation. > > Feb 14, 2008 0200 UTC > > Freenode.net #fedora-docs > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen > http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ > > E.g. http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=2&day=14&year=2008&hour=2&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 From rpjday at crashcourse.ca Tue Feb 12 15:45:38 2008 From: rpjday at crashcourse.ca (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 10:45:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: virtualization in f8? Message-ID: over at the docs page, i see that the virtualization documentation is still listed as for f7. does this mean it's essentially unchanged for f8? and what about for f9? in cases where an alpha release is out, it would (in a perfect world, of course) be handy to have at least a bullet point list of significant changes from the previous release. and jessica alba. i want a date with jessica alba while you're at it. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 12 16:12:21 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:42:21 +0530 Subject: virtualization in f8? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47B1C565.8060109@fedoraproject.org> Robert P. J. Day wrote: > over at the docs page, i see that the virtualization documentation > is still listed as for f7. does this mean it's essentially unchanged > for f8? http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Virtualization.html. The other document still links to Fedora 7 IIRC because it was still a draft. and what about for f9? in cases where an alpha release is > out, it would (in a perfect world, of course) be handy to have at > least a bullet point list of significant changes from the previous > release. This is hard unless we get more contributors. > > and jessica alba. i want a date with jessica alba while you're at > it. Way easier. Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Feb 12 20:42:22 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 15:42:22 -0500 Subject: virtualization in f8? In-Reply-To: <47B1C565.8060109@fedoraproject.org> References: <47B1C565.8060109@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <20080212204221.GA28382@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can take a look at the virtualization documentation later this week to see what it says. Bob pointed me in the right direction to get KVM running in F8 and F9 Alpha. Both worked exactly the same. Eric On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:42:21PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: >> over at the docs page, i see that the virtualization documentation >> is still listed as for f7. does this mean it's essentially unchanged >> for f8? > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Virtualization.html. > The other document still links to Fedora 7 IIRC because it was still a > draft. > > > and what about for f9? in cases where an alpha release is >> out, it would (in a perfect world, of course) be handy to have at >> least a bullet point list of significant changes from the previous >> release. > > This is hard unless we get more contributors. > >> >> and jessica alba. i want a date with jessica alba while you're at >> it. > > Way easier. > > Rahul > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHsgStL5V8yddJCO0RAi4CAJ0T62R3q8XWsUouBsjb9/ePvLxD7wCfd2Ty cRAaVsEP1AY+fknGR9nUKWs= =NrSb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From noriko at redhat.com Wed Feb 13 00:53:54 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:53:54 +1000 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs team - 0200UTC Feb 14 In-Reply-To: <47B11AAA.5070000@fedoraunity.org> References: <1202427151.14802.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47B11AAA.5070000@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <47B23FA2.9000005@redhat.com> > Meeting time and date confirmation. > > Feb 14, 2008 0200 UTC > > Freenode.net #fedora-docs > > Robert 'Bob' Jensen > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen > http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ I will be there too, thanks. noriko > > From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 12:57:50 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:57:50 +0100 Subject: fedora webcam howto Message-ID: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-webcam-howto/ I just wrote fedora webcam howto. I would like to put it somewhere on fedora wiki so any suggestions are welcome because I haven't used wiki - only to edit two times. I probably have still some typos, so any corrections and suggestions are welcome. Is there somewhere fedora webcam howto that I'm not aware of? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Feb 13 13:01:26 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:01:26 +0900 Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:57 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-webcam-howto/ > > I just wrote fedora webcam howto. I would like to put it somewhere on > fedora wiki so any suggestions are welcome because I haven't used wiki > - only to edit two times. > > I probably have still some typos, so any corrections and suggestions > are welcome. > > Is there somewhere fedora webcam howto that I'm not aware of? > > Cheers, > Valent. Good work Valent your best bet would be to put it somewhere under http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ to let some people have a look at it and edit it. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Feb 13 13:05:30 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:05:30 +0900 Subject: DuG Message-ID: <1202907930.24050.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, Quick question is the spelling Xfce or XFCE to match KDE and GNOME. Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 13 13:15:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:45:36 +0530 Subject: DuG In-Reply-To: <1202907930.24050.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1202907930.24050.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47B2ED78.9050807@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey all, > > Quick question is the spelling Xfce or XFCE to match KDE and GNOME. Xfce lately. Rahul From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 13:10:53 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:10:53 +0300 Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2008 4:01 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-02-13 at 13:57 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-webcam-howto/ > > > > I just wrote fedora webcam howto. I would like to put it somewhere on > > fedora wiki so any suggestions are welcome because I haven't used wiki > > - only to edit two times. > > > > I probably have still some typos, so any corrections and suggestions > > are welcome. > > > > Is there somewhere fedora webcam howto that I'm not aware of? > > > > Cheers, > > Valent. > > Good work Valent your best bet would be to put it somewhere under > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/ to let some people have a > look at it and edit it. > > Cheers, > > Marc > Valentin: Nice job... I posted it at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WebcamHowto and will add your images and clean it up. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 13:11:48 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:11:48 +0300 Subject: DuG In-Reply-To: <47B2ED78.9050807@fedoraproject.org> References: <1202907930.24050.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47B2ED78.9050807@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802130511y5a977379i46115da0a97e5fca@mail.gmail.com> +1 on Xfce Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 13 22:06:30 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:06:30 -0800 Subject: publican package for meeting Message-ID: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> Jeff has pointers (below) at publican packages. He is also trying to get publican-fedora (Fedora branded docs) built so we can see that today as well. Talk with you all later tonight at 0200 UTC (actually Thursday.) -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Jeff Fearn The power of Koji compels you! I don't have a clean install to test this on, but it should work. sudo rpm -Uvh http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm \ http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-doc-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm \ http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-ParseLex/2.15/11.fc9/noarch/perl-ParseLex-2.15-11.fc9.noarch.rpm \ http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-XML-TreeBuilder/3.09/9.fc9/noarch/perl-XML-TreeBuilder-3.09-9.fc9.noarch.rpm One day I'll work out how to stop thunder bird for breaking my formatting. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He is also trying to > get publican-fedora (Fedora branded docs) built so we can see that today > as well. > > Talk with you all later tonight at 0200 UTC (actually Thursday.) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Jeff Fearn > The power of Koji compels you! > > I don't have a clean install to test this on, but it should work. > > sudo rpm -Uvh > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-doc-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-ParseLex/2.15/11.fc9/noarch/perl-ParseLex-2.15-11.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-XML-TreeBuilder/3.09/9.fc9/noarch/perl-XML-TreeBuilder-3.09-9.fc9.noarch.rpm > > One day I'll work out how to stop thunder bird for breaking my formatting. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rock on! > Talk with you all later tonight at 0200 UTC (actually Thursday.) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Jeff Fearn > The power of Koji compels you! > > I don't have a clean install to test this on, but it should work. > > sudo rpm -Uvh > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-doc-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-ParseLex/2.15/11.fc9/noarch/perl-ParseLex-2.15-11.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-XML-TreeBuilder/3.09/9.fc9/noarch/perl-XML-TreeBuilder-3.09-9.fc9.noarch.rpm > > One day I'll work out how to stop thunder bird for breaking my formatting. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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He is also trying to > > get publican-fedora (Fedora branded docs) built so we can see that today > > as well. > > There are some dependencies you need to install first: > > perl-HTML-Template > perl-HTML-Tree (provides HTML::Element) > kdesdk > > All of those are in the 'fedora' repo and are sufficient versions to let > you install the below list of packages. > > Rock on! > > > Talk with you all later tonight at 0200 UTC (actually Thursday.) > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Jeff Fearn > > The power of Koji compels you! > > > > I don't have a clean install to test this on, but it should work. > > > > sudo rpm -Uvh > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > > \ > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-doc-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > > \ > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-ParseLex/2.15/11.fc9/noarch/perl-ParseLex-2.15-11.fc9.noarch.rpm > > \ > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-XML-TreeBuilder/3.09/9.fc9/noarch/perl-XML-TreeBuilder-3.09-9.fc9.noarch.rpm > > > > One day I'll work out how to stop thunder bird for breaking my formatting. > > > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 13 22:45:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:45:00 -0800 Subject: publican package for meeting In-Reply-To: <47B36D68.30601@mkc.co.nz> References: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47B36D68.30601@mkc.co.nz> Message-ID: <1202942700.15285.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 11:21 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: > Will RHEL packages be available for those of us who run RHEL (5 in my case)? That would be an EPEL branch. We need to talk with Jeff about his expectations for this. He did mention in one bugzilla report that he is hoping Fedora Docs takes over managing the publican package(s). So, if someone out there is interested in that, hopefully they'll want to do an EPEL branch. This is a great place for a co-maintainer to step forward ... - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 13 22:53:55 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:23:55 +0530 Subject: publican package for meeting In-Reply-To: <1202942700.15285.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47B36D68.30601@mkc.co.nz> <1202942700.15285.53.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47B37503.4020101@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-14 at 11:21 +1300, Vladimir Kosovac wrote: >> Will RHEL packages be available for those of us who run RHEL (5 in my case)? > > That would be an EPEL branch. > > We need to talk with Jeff about his expectations for this. He did > mention in one bugzilla report that he is hoping Fedora Docs takes over > managing the publican package(s). So, if someone out there is > interested in that, hopefully they'll want to do an EPEL branch. > > This is a great place for a co-maintainer to step forward ... Let me know how I can help. Should I apply to be a co-maintainer? Rahul. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 01:09:48 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:09:48 +1000 Subject: new publishing package: publican Message-ID: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> >From Brian Forte: ---- Brisbane, Queensland, 2008/02/14 -- Red Hat Engineering Content Services is pleased to announce Publican, a new publishing package. Publican -- which has been used by Red Hat's Documentation Group for almost two years -- takes DocBook XML input and outputs HTML, plain Unicode text and PDF. This output can be branded with the following brands: Fedora, Red Hat, and JBoss. A default, generic brand is also included. Further brands can be added, either by request, or by direct customisation. (To request an additional brand, submit a bug via . Submit the bug against the "Red Hat Enterprise Linux" product, and the "publican" component.) But "make html" and "make pdf" are, perhaps, the least of Publican. What makes Publican worth announcing are "create_book" and "make dist-srpm". "create_book" does what the command name implies: it creates a directory of the XML files you need to start writing a book or article using DocBook XML as well as a ready-to-roll Makefile for outputting HTML, text and PDF. "make dist-srpm" takes a book, turns it into a tarball, adds an appropriate specfile and then wraps the whole thing up into a src.rpm. This makes it easy to incorporate documentation into the standard distribution build chain. Publican is being incorporated into the Fedora tree in the coming days and weeks. To learn more, members of the Publican development and documentation team will be answering questions in #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net on Thursday 2008/02/14 from 12:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time (2008/02/14 02:00 UTC/GMT; 2008/02/14 IST; 2008/02/13 22:00 American EDT; 2008/02/13 19:00 American PDT). ---- Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From bob at fedoraunity.org Thu Feb 14 00:21:34 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:21:34 -0600 Subject: publican package for meeting In-Reply-To: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47B3898E.4010605@fedoraunity.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Jeff has pointers (below) at publican packages. He is also trying to > get publican-fedora (Fedora branded docs) built so we can see that today > as well. > > Talk with you all later tonight at 0200 UTC (actually Thursday.) > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Jeff Fearn > The power of Koji compels you! > > I don't have a clean install to test this on, but it should work. > > sudo rpm -Uvh > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/publican/0.29/2.fc9/noarch/publican-doc-0.29-2.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-ParseLex/2.15/11.fc9/noarch/perl-ParseLex-2.15-11.fc9.noarch.rpm > \ > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/packages/perl-XML-TreeBuilder/3.09/9.fc9/noarch/perl-XML-TreeBuilder-3.09-9.fc9.noarch.rpm > > One day I'll work out how to stop thunder bird for breaking my formatting. > > I packaged what I needed for F8 and put the packages on my people page Here is a repo file [fedora-docs] name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - Hams baseurl=http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/docs/$releasever/$basearch/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=0 "yum install publican\*" That should set you up. From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 02:26:52 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 05:26:52 +0300 Subject: publican package for meeting In-Reply-To: <47B3898E.4010605@fedoraunity.org> References: <1202940390.15285.39.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47B3898E.4010605@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802131826x2c12b058p109a1f1cd2237e6a@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 14, 2008 3:21 AM, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > I packaged what I needed for F8 and put the packages on my people page > > Here is a repo file > > [fedora-docs] > name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - Hams > baseurl=http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/docs/$releasever/$basearch/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=0 > > "yum install publican\*" > > That should set you up. > Bob: It works perfectly. Thanks... Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 02:46:49 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:16:49 +0530 Subject: new publishing package: publican In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47B4FD19.6@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Murray McAllister wrote: | Publican is being incorporated into the Fedora tree in the coming days | and weeks. To learn more, members of the Publican development and | documentation team will be answering questions in #fedora-docs on | irc.freenode.net on Thursday 2008/02/14 from 12:00 Australian Eastern | Standard Time (2008/02/14 02:00 UTC/GMT; 2008/02/14 IST; 2008/02/13 | 22:00 American EDT; 2008/02/13 19:00 American PDT). Can someone blog about this a bit more please ? Since this meeting is not being held on #fedora-meeting, a few interested entities might miss out unless word of mouth happens - -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHtP0ZXQZpNTcrCzMRAkeKAJ4puEUizHS8y/7PdNf8ifkotPmusgCfV9za umGm1Tfp9J5XPo02wuQ1RjE= =mfTJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stickster at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 13:18:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:18:55 -0500 Subject: new publishing package: publican In-Reply-To: <47B4FD19.6@gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> <47B4FD19.6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1203081535.6142.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 08:16 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Murray McAllister wrote: > > | Publican is being incorporated into the Fedora tree in the coming days > | and weeks. To learn more, members of the Publican development and > | documentation team will be answering questions in #fedora-docs on > | irc.freenode.net on Thursday 2008/02/14 from 12:00 Australian Eastern > | Standard Time (2008/02/14 02:00 UTC/GMT; 2008/02/14 IST; 2008/02/13 > | 22:00 American EDT; 2008/02/13 19:00 American PDT). > > Can someone blog about this a bit more please ? Since this meeting is > not being held on #fedora-meeting, a few interested entities might miss > out unless word of mouth happens +1. I put out something on my blog yesterday, but this subject could use more press. Someone out there (other than me and Karsten) must be carried on the planet, right? :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 16:54:17 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:54:17 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-14 IRC log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802150854g34a53779gaab610ba28152dff@mail.gmail.com> Feb 14 04:57:31 Sparks: http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/docs/ Feb 14 04:58:09 jfearn: hope it is OK with you that I built your packages for F8 Feb 14 04:58:47 EvilBob, cool Feb 14 04:58:51 * Tsagadai has quit ("NO CARRIER") Feb 14 04:59:06 * Tsagadai (n=ccurran at nat/redhat/x-1787ddbd7ce46934) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 04:59:30 So I assume everyone will want to have a .repo file pointing to Bob's repo (above) and then 'yum install publican-fedora' Feb 14 04:59:54 * jwulf_ (n=jwulf at nat/redhat/x-00522800009fc0bb) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 04:59:59 stickster: also maybe publican-doc Feb 14 05:00:01 Where does the repo file go? Feb 14 05:00:06 Right, I pulled that one too, thanks Feb 14 05:00:13 Sparks: in /etc/yum.repos.d/ Feb 14 05:00:13 Sparks: /etc/yum.repos.d Feb 14 05:00:19 Ahhh Feb 14 05:00:19 Okay Feb 14 05:00:23 who am i? Feb 14 05:00:32 jwulf :) Feb 14 05:00:44 hi Feb 14 05:00:47 no, i'm jwulf_ Feb 14 05:01:03 can we just call you Josh? Feb 14 05:01:03 jwulf_, the pope Feb 14 05:01:22 * mdious pokes bforte Feb 14 05:01:28 EvilBob, sure Feb 14 05:01:34 All right, who's chairing this par-tay? Feb 14 05:01:44 i thought the boss man Feb 14 05:01:57 * irooskov (n=irooskov at nat/redhat/x-19fdb1c7f81aa462) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:01:58 stickster, you're the urlord... :-) Feb 14 05:02:09 Oh lord, I figured as much.. Feb 14 05:02:30 So my job here, as I see it, is to introduce jfearn and then have him tell us all about publican Feb 14 05:02:54 * KC0WYC (n=kc0wyc at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen) has joined #Fedora-Docs Feb 14 05:02:58 jfearn: everyone Feb 14 05:03:00 everyone: jfearn Feb 14 05:03:08 Hi everybody! Feb 14 05:03:09 Take it away jfearn! Feb 14 05:03:27 * pgampe (n=pgampe at nat/redhat/x-2bb662e2e8dd7b95) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:03:28 installing still Feb 14 05:03:59 has anyone tried to build the fedora-release-notes in publican? Feb 14 05:04:10 does it require hacking the XML or structure? Feb 14 05:04:16 * jwulf_ (n=jwulf at nat/redhat/x-00522800009fc0bb) has left #fedora-docs ("Leaving") Feb 14 05:04:22 * jwulf_ (n=jwulf at nat/redhat/x-00522800009fc0bb) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:04:23 * EvilBob just built the packages, what more do you want from me? Feb 14 05:04:58 * Acidz0r (n=tmiles at unaffiliated/acid-x/x-000000002) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:05:01 the world Feb 14 05:05:14 * EvilBob kicks Sparks in the shin Feb 14 05:05:19 :) Feb 14 05:05:41 Okay, I'm ready to learn... How do you start this thing? Anyone got a key? Feb 14 05:06:01 i seem to have left the key in my other pair of pants Feb 14 05:06:10 Sorry guys, just a little punchy here Feb 14 05:06:21 * dkim_ (n=daobrien at ppp59-167-115-60.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:06:39 OK guys, let's remember that the RH Content Services folks are on the clock in Brisbane, AUS. Feb 14 05:06:46 Please make this time worth their while. Feb 14 05:06:47 create_book --name MyBook Feb 14 05:07:02 create_book --article sendmail Feb 14 05:07:03 well where to start... Feb 14 05:08:13 I'll start with some back ground on why we thought we needed publican, the rest flows from there Feb 14 05:08:38 there has always been a seperation between documentation and the main distro Feb 14 05:09:17 we wanted to be able to distribute documentation with the main distro, and this required us to have a docs build chain that integrated in to brew Feb 14 05:09:55 so, public is our attempt to do intergrate documentation directly in to the distro Feb 14 05:10:11 * jwulf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 14 05:10:21 * jwulf_ is now known as jwulf Feb 14 05:10:52 ? Feb 14 05:10:53 this imposses a bunch of requirements for how things are done, since release engineers are very demanding :) Feb 14 05:11:09 jfearn: Will you take questions as you go? Feb 14 05:11:17 stickster, sure Feb 14 05:11:25 Thanks, sorry to interrupt :-) Feb 14 05:11:25 EvilBob: Feb 14 05:11:26 How is brew related to our koji? Feb 14 05:11:29 EOF Feb 14 05:12:11 * EvilBob notes that if we don't have a clear answer that is OK. Feb 14 05:12:13 EvilBob, I think brew is the pre-cursor to koji Feb 14 05:12:22 K Feb 14 05:12:26 ??? Feb 14 05:12:34 bottom line: Feb 14 05:12:53 they needed a toolchain that plugged in to internal RHT build system Feb 14 05:13:11 koji and brew are very, very similar Feb 14 05:13:35 So we will plug in to koji hopefully, thanks that is what I wanted. Feb 14 05:13:58 should be easy enough to do EvilBob Feb 14 05:16:09 So publican provides build targets and L10n functions, correct? Feb 14 05:17:05 stickster, yes, publican supports most of the functionality of the previous internal tools and the fedora docs build system Feb 14 05:17:06 stickster: It sure appears to ;-) Feb 14 05:18:04 * SgtDitt raises hand Feb 14 05:18:11 SgtDitt: Feb 14 05:18:31 so does this mean we will be publish to docbook? Feb 14 05:18:38 ;-) Feb 14 05:18:47 +1 Feb 14 05:19:10 SgtDitt: we are publishing to docbook :) Feb 14 05:19:18 publican only deals with docbook and xliff atm Feb 14 05:19:30 this is an alternate toolchain to what is in cvs.fp.org:/cvs/docs/docs-common etc. Feb 14 05:19:58 well hopefully a replacement toolchain Feb 14 05:20:03 as a new contributor, i publish to the wiki. i prefer docbook, but i think it has been discussed that the idea may be beyond some contributors Feb 14 05:20:03 hmm.... Feb 14 05:20:24 so how would this effect new contributors, such as myself? Feb 14 05:20:39 and me Feb 14 05:20:43 SgtDitt: Welcome to the team, you are helping me and my guys with the Install Guide... Feb 14 05:20:46 SgtDitt: it was my understand that people edit the wiki, like you do now, then use the current toolchain to get it into docbook.... Feb 14 05:20:52 * EvilBob ducks Feb 14 05:21:20 publican doesn't change the current workflow, and like the current tool chain it does not interact with the wiki Feb 14 05:21:48 ! lets let jfearn continue his introduction and ask these questions afterwards please Feb 14 05:21:54 eof Feb 14 05:22:16 * daMaestro has quit ("Leaving") Feb 14 05:22:48 there isn't much more to say as an intro, I'be spent the last two years or so tinkering away and being harassed by writers to add features :) Feb 14 05:23:06 ! Feb 14 05:23:17 stickster: Feb 14 05:23:26 Thanks EvilBob Feb 14 05:23:34 we think publican is just about ready for prime time and wanted to get it out and thouroughly tested Feb 14 05:23:35 jfearn: So I was looking at the way you handle XML entities and was wondering Feb 14 05:24:03 You're doing some regex to basically pull out the stuff between " " Feb 14 05:24:21 What we did when developing our toolset over... well, whenever it was... Feb 14 05:24:25 * giarc has quit ("Leaving") Feb 14 05:24:33 was to do an XML-ish solution with a DTD designated for entities. Feb 14 05:24:55 This meant we could use standard tools to pull the POT from a file like "doc-entities.xml" Feb 14 05:25:15 So it was treated by (in our case) xml2po just like any other file such as DocBook source Feb 14 05:26:44 EOF Feb 14 05:26:46 (sorry) Feb 14 05:26:56 stickster, the way we handle entities is to add the entries during the build process, but it's in flux due to translator issues with entities Feb 14 05:27:27 Do the issues have to do with how included entities are maintained during parsing? Feb 14 05:27:30 * napramirez (n=napramir at fedora/napramirez) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:28:04 stickster, no, the issues have to do with not being able to set gender correctly due to lack of context in entity strings Feb 14 05:28:17 That's what I was getting at ;-) Feb 14 05:28:32 Sorry, my terminology is probably all scrambled. Feb 14 05:29:08 stickster, I'm not expert so you may be right :) Feb 14 05:29:17 But the point being, if the content of "&FEDORA;" is translated only once by a translator, they have no opportunity to change the word form in languages where the noun takes different declensions Feb 14 05:29:40 Like in Polish where they might use "Fedora" or "Fedory" depending on context Feb 14 05:30:05 stickster, yes, also issues like in some langauges the word is spelt differently depending on if it's at the start/rnd/middle of a sentence etc Feb 14 05:30:12 Right. Feb 14 05:30:28 * gomix (n=gomix at 200.84.251.32) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:30:30 * SG_Logger (n=notfred at 24.149.106.28) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:30:58 As much as we would have liked to save the translators from having to translate &SOMETHING; over and over, it was more hacky to try and preserve the entity, and a better idea to simply let it be parsed before it went to POT Feb 14 05:31:12 * gomix (n=gomix at 200.84.251.32) has left #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:31:23 my conclusion was that the benefits of entities to writers is out weighed by the pain it causes translators, the war isn't won ;) Feb 14 05:32:01 That was our conclusion too, I'll have to find when I did that commit change Feb 14 05:32:20 It was back when Tommy was still around these parts, I'm pretty sure Feb 14 05:32:49 So anyway, my point being, that ended up being another driver for our using a "true XML" solution for entities Feb 14 05:33:14 So we'd actually XSLT the doc-entities.xml file into a doc-entities.ent Feb 14 05:33:22 jfearn: Have you had time to look at our build tools? Feb 14 05:33:39 stickster, not in a fair while Feb 14 05:33:47 * stickster sorry to take up everyone's time on this subject Feb 14 05:34:10 It would be worth us looking through in tandem at some convenient time for you where I can answer and ask questions Feb 14 05:34:15 To the extent I'm able ;-D Feb 14 05:34:30 stickster, cool :) Feb 14 05:34:31 * stickster EOF, apologies for yapping Feb 14 05:35:21 good reference point, though Feb 14 05:35:29 common pains, common ideas of how to solve Feb 14 05:37:15 Does anyone want to suggest a next action item? Feb 14 05:37:41 What can we do to get this rolling Feb 14 05:37:41 ! Feb 14 05:37:45 so...have many of you tried it? Feb 14 05:37:51 -0 Feb 14 05:38:06 ? Feb 14 05:38:09 one + I can think of is that it is easier to install a package than checkout from cvs, so it sort of lowers the barrier to entry... Feb 14 05:38:13 I've tried it, and I'm liking it! Feb 14 05:38:18 * jmbuser just installed it and produced the MyBook - cool Feb 14 05:38:29 jsmith: show off Feb 14 05:38:36 * jsmith just started a document explaining Publican ;-) Feb 14 05:38:44 I found one of the most popular side effects was being able to move from cvs to svn :) Feb 14 05:38:45 jsmith: cool Feb 14 05:38:54 jsmith: This would supplement publican-doc? Feb 14 05:38:57 can we walk through starting a doc in publican Feb 14 05:39:01 eof Feb 14 05:39:07 stickster: I haven't looked at publican-doc yet ;-) Feb 14 05:39:13 * samfw has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:39:13 * mmcgrath has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:39:13 * jsmith has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:39:13 * jacques-work has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:39:22 * mmcgrath (n=mmcgrath at 74.136.11.144) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:39:30 * jacques-work (n=jacques at 65.161.19.125) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:39:37 * jsmith (n=nnjsmith at 72.21.36.138) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:39:47 SG_Logger: instructions for creating a book Feb 14 05:39:47 https://fedorahosted.org/publican#sect-Publican-Using_the_publican_package-Creating_a_Book Feb 14 05:39:59 mdious: in answer, I just got it installed and built the example in the skeleton Feb 14 05:40:17 basically you run create_book --name Book_Name and add other options, which make it so you don't have to edit the makefile... Feb 14 05:40:58 for example, instead of editing the makefile with "brand = blah", you can run "create_book --name Book_Name --brand Fedora... Feb 14 05:41:32 * --brand fedora Feb 14 05:42:01 Yeah, lower case "fedora" Feb 14 05:42:18 * quaid actually couldn't build the example that came from create_book Feb 14 05:42:21 O noez, I eated your branding! Feb 14 05:42:30 quaid: what error did you get? Feb 14 05:42:43 warning: failed to load external entity "tmp/en-US/xml/Feedback.xml" Feb 14 05:42:59 * juhp has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * GuGu has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * ricky has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * poelcat has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * mether has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * davido has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:42:59 * herlo has quit (kubrick.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) Feb 14 05:43:04 quaid: I think that is okay to ignore Feb 14 05:43:06 Brand fedora does not contain a Book_Template! at /usr/bin/create_book line 61 Feb 14 05:43:31 feedback.xml is something such as "if you find a bug in , please submit a bug against product , component Feb 14 05:43:38 mdious: but it hangs and doesn't end, nor is there any HTML output Feb 14 05:43:39 from 'make html-single' Feb 14 05:43:39 * EvilBob notes that the packages he built were untested you are using them at your own risk! Feb 14 05:43:39 Make sure you've also installed the publican-fedora package Feb 14 05:43:48 quaid, that warning is due to the way that Fallback falls back :) Feb 14 05:43:54 and also the publican package... Feb 14 05:43:57 I was wondering about that Feb 14 05:43:58 * poelcat (n=slick at fedora/poelcat) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:43:58 * ricky (n=ricky at fedora/ricky) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:43:58 * GuGu (n=gugu at 213.154.214.76) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:44:07 * quaid has publican-fedora installed but wondered if a style package was required Feb 14 05:44:13 * samfw (n=samfw at nat/redhat/session) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:44:20 hm Feb 14 05:44:20 it will look for a local Fallback.xml and if it doesn't find it it falls back to the brand Fallback.xml Feb 14 05:44:23 * Tombo-linux (n=mirggi at ip-26-2.sn2.eutelia.it) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:44:25 quaid: publica-fedora is the style package, do you have publican installed as well? Feb 14 05:44:31 * herlo (n=clints at 166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:44:32 Feedback.xml Feb 14 05:44:38 * jfearn sighs Feb 14 05:44:43 mdious: yes Feb 14 05:44:47 herlo: You're missing a good intro to Publican Feb 14 05:45:52 * quaid tries again with --bran Feb 14 05:45:58 * VileGent has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Feb 14 05:45:59 --brand Feb 14 05:46:14 extra dietary fiber Feb 14 05:46:24 to push out your packages Feb 14 05:46:31 Super Colon Blow! Feb 14 05:46:31 eew Feb 14 05:46:41 jfearn: is it just that Feedback.xml is not included in any of the packages? Or ..? Feb 14 05:46:41 * mether (n=ask at fedora/mether) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:46:43 ok, who has the t-shirt? Feb 14 05:46:44 lol Feb 14 05:46:45 - Feb 14 05:46:47 :-) Feb 14 05:47:04 * mether has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 14 05:47:42 quaid you can choose which files to include or not include from your books mail file "book-title".xml Feb 14 05:47:46 quaid, it's just the way docbook handles fallbacks for xi:include, it can't find the first, so it issues a warning, then it finds the fallback and continues on Feb 14 05:48:19 this way writers can use a brand and change the Feedbakc file without creating a new brand Feb 14 05:48:21 ah, so Feb 14 05:48:35 sweet! works great. lasts long time Feb 14 05:48:52 * davido (n=daobrien at ppp59-167-115-60.lns3.bne4.internode.on.net) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:49:07 -dmwaters- {global notice} Good day all, I apologize for the netsplits, we had some maintenence due on a couple servers but it's over now. thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode! Feb 14 05:49:24 mmm stormy waters Feb 14 05:50:30 * stickster hears faint tapping of keys across the land Feb 14 05:50:51 stickster: no that is my kid running in the house Feb 14 05:50:53 stickster: I'm typing loud enough that you can probably hear me Feb 14 05:51:05 stickster: (that is, if you can hear it above the howling wind outside) Feb 14 05:51:08 So has everyone seen publican in action, now? Feb 14 05:51:24 * quaid is having l'issues still Feb 14 05:51:45 stickster:+1 Feb 14 05:52:37 * stickster concerned about quaid's experience Feb 14 05:53:05 well, I tried making a Feedback.xml, copied Chapter.xml over and make the IDs unique Feb 14 05:53:15 * tombolinux has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.10/0000000000]") Feb 14 05:53:35 stickster: it is quaid... it could be anything... Feb 14 05:53:36 anyway, if I'm the only one Feb 14 05:53:56 quaid: do you get the same feedback warning? Feb 14 05:54:03 don't let me hold it up; it's either pebcak or something about the packages I have installed Feb 14 05:54:06 mdious: nope Feb 14 05:54:18 it's getting better Feb 14 05:54:18 quaid: what error do you get? Feb 14 05:54:19 mine works now. just read the email from jmbabich Feb 14 05:54:53 quaid: if you created a feedback.xml, make sure you updated the en-US/Book_Name.xml file, so that it includes it... Feb 14 05:54:53 * noriko has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Feb 14 05:55:09 mdious: that would be it Feb 14 05:55:19 quaid, maybe I need to take a trip over there and show you how it works :) Feb 14 05:55:26 * jfearn pokes pgampe Feb 14 05:55:42 jfearn: weather is nice in Orlando right now, you are welcome to come Feb 14 05:55:54 but I think all the java developers might make you break out in hives Feb 14 05:56:03 * noriko (n=noriko at 58.105.231.142) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:56:11 * jfearn loves the jboss brothers Feb 14 05:56:14 * EvilBob notes Java is Evil Feb 14 05:56:25 EvilBob: Yeah, but DocBook more than makes up for it ;-) Feb 14 05:56:27 mdious: since Preface.xml is calling Feedback.xml, why add it to Book_Info.xml? Feb 14 05:56:40 jfearn: it's good stuff here, good stuff Feb 14 05:56:53 quaid: so you can add a preface? Feb 14 05:57:27 * stickster lost Feb 14 05:57:29 mdious: Of course! Feb 14 05:57:42 * daMaestro (n=jon at fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 05:57:46 stickster, +1 Feb 14 05:58:00 SG_Logger, stickster, what are you lost about? Feb 14 05:58:16 well, again, if it's just me, feel free to continue ahead Feb 14 05:58:16 quaid's question about Book_Info.xml Feb 14 05:58:16 I'll eventually catch up Feb 14 05:58:18 Oh Feb 14 05:58:19 nm, read buffer. self.slap() Feb 14 05:58:37 all the above but in time i am sure i will pick it up Feb 14 05:59:05 so... Feb 14 05:59:12 SG_Logger: don't worry in the coming months you will be up to speed Feb 14 05:59:12 iif i may] Feb 14 05:59:20 stickster: Book_Info has information about the book, such as product numbers, issue numbers etc (these are used when building an rpm), Book_Name.xml is just a file with xi includes to include your chapter files Feb 14 05:59:21 go ahead Feb 14 05:59:25 * andyfitz- (n=AndyFitz at 63-150-137-108.dia.static.qwest.net) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 06:00:10 the command "create_book --name MyBook --brand fedora" will create a template, and workinng docbook file. Feb 14 06:00:32 SgtDitt: correct. Feb 14 06:00:43 then you use any editor to replace the templae information with your proper title...author... Feb 14 06:00:46 using --brand fedora updates the Makefile with "brand = fedora" Feb 14 06:00:55 to make an article... Feb 14 06:01:01 SgtDitt: yes, you can use the Chapter.xml file as a template... Feb 14 06:01:15 in the subfolder MyBook of the current folder Feb 14 06:01:34 do the same but "create_book --article --name MyArticle --brand fedora Feb 14 06:01:43 that might work...:P Feb 14 06:01:45 it used to... Feb 14 06:01:55 it does. i tried it Feb 14 06:01:58 yup Feb 14 06:01:58 oh, I think it was set that was taken out Feb 14 06:02:08 so my question is.... Feb 14 06:02:15 sorry Feb 14 06:02:44 do we paste xml to wiki for editing? Feb 14 06:02:51 * SgtDitt hiding from darts Feb 14 06:02:52 SgtDitt: Nope Feb 14 06:02:57 SgtDitt: But a valiant try Feb 14 06:03:10 SgtDitt: maybe ask jfearn for a make-wiki target :) Feb 14 06:03:10 SgtDitt: You can start on the wiki and move to Docbook Feb 14 06:03:17 mdious: XXX Feb 14 06:03:21 NO! Feb 14 06:03:30 The problem with going to the wiki is you lose lots of metadata. Feb 14 06:03:39 i want to use docbook, just trying to see how the 2 tie together Feb 14 06:03:41 or we could skip the wiki step and use docbook xml... Feb 14 06:03:45 have you ever gone from xml to the wiki? I thought it was the other way around... Feb 14 06:03:46 The wiki doesn't know the difference between , , and for example. Feb 14 06:03:58 bad example Feb 14 06:04:02 The wiki only knows (e.g.) {{{hi there}}} Feb 14 06:04:13 why wiki? Feb 14 06:04:14 So you can start on the wiki, then bring it *into* DocBook, and then stay there Feb 14 06:04:22 I can say why in a few lines, if we want to digress Feb 14 06:04:30 jfearn: Quick question... what about paper sizes for PDF output? How do I get it to do letter instead of A4? Feb 14 06:05:07 from reading the web site, it says edit in wiki so others can contribute. but i'm cool with just docbook and cvs Feb 14 06:05:30 Wiki is great for getting the most people able to help write at one time. Feb 14 06:05:32 jsmith, ohh we never had to deal with that, so we'd have to add that functionality Feb 14 06:05:47 SgtDitt: you can, it's just that the numbers of contributors that use the wiki and will use the wiki are 10x or more what we can get in XML Feb 14 06:05:58 but you end up with 2 doc branches. wiki and docbook Feb 14 06:05:58 jfearn: /etc/papersize is a good place to start ;-) Feb 14 06:06:06 it's a community docs drafting space Feb 14 06:06:08 then you have to manually merge info Feb 14 06:06:19 Yes Feb 14 06:06:23 hmm, sort of Feb 14 06:06:26 jsmith, I was told letter is dead ;) Feb 14 06:06:27 only for the release notes Feb 14 06:06:27 yes but the fact remains that in it's present form the wiki is not accessible enough for just anyone to contribute Feb 14 06:06:38 Docs/Beats is the "rawhide" Feb 14 06:06:43 * Tsagadai points at hoops that need jumping before access Feb 14 06:06:51 jfearn: Funny... I was told the same about A4 ;-) Feb 14 06:06:57 jfearn: There's params available for that in the docbook xsl too; Feb 14 06:06:59 but a guide like the Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide is converted to XML and maintained in that form Feb 14 06:07:06 the next version might come from the wiki Feb 14 06:07:10 For e.g. => FO Feb 14 06:07:31 stickster, yeah, I'd just add a parameter to te Makefile for people to override the all conquering A4 ;) Feb 14 06:07:53 jfearn: This was something that came up on fedora-devel recently too. Feb 14 06:07:58 i like ansi f at my age Feb 14 06:08:12 jfearn: One other minor note... the documentation.png file still calls it "Documentation-devel" instead of "Publican" Feb 14 06:08:16 That anaconda ought to try to do the right thing about setting paper size depending on locale Feb 14 06:08:42 Tsagadai: all of those improvements for the wiki access are in the works; short delivery time (March) for most of the important stuff Feb 14 06:08:53 jsmith, yeah, I figured it would end up being fedora docs team or something Feb 14 06:09:04 jfearn: Maybe you can get the Fedora art team to design a cool Publican logo Feb 14 06:09:05 including anonymous access I hope Feb 14 06:09:24 I want it to look just like the fat guy who reads the scrolls in HBO's "Rome" series Feb 14 06:09:25 jfearn: Yeah, probably so for the Fedora brand... Feb 14 06:09:53 stickster, that's Ian McNiece :) Feb 14 06:09:59 Right Feb 14 06:09:59 stickster, lolz, a fat guy with a beer! Feb 14 06:10:00 I love him. Feb 14 06:10:05 so do i Feb 14 06:10:06 stickster, now that we're settled on Publican i'm sure we can sort something out :) Feb 14 06:10:12 I clipped a bunch of his lines for the fortune on my blog. Feb 14 06:10:13 * SgtDitt is now known as mdittmeier Feb 14 06:11:06 * stickster is Mr. Pot saying "Mr. Kettle, you're black" Feb 14 06:12:05 So, I don't want to break up the happy party, because we're very happy to see RH Docs and Content Services guys here Feb 14 06:12:11 Should we figure out a next step? Feb 14 06:12:18 Or save that until later? Feb 14 06:12:41 stickster: Would it be worth me pushing a doc through Publican as a test? Something like the crypto guide? Feb 14 06:13:03 jsmith: Yes, that would be a great idea -- it's fairly short right now. Feb 14 06:13:07 jsmith: that should work, but you would have to update the book_name.xml to include all the separate files Feb 14 06:13:09 go for it jsmith Feb 14 06:13:17 jsmith: So that would be wiki --> DocBook --> publican --> {targets...} Feb 14 06:13:17 mdious: That's not a problem Feb 14 06:13:19 right? Feb 14 06:13:24 i never understood how to include more than one file using the fedora toolchain...do edit the makefile with all of them, or just use xi includes? Feb 14 06:13:26 The crypto guide has a little way to go Feb 14 06:13:32 stickster: Yeah, just like the current toolchain Feb 14 06:13:40 mdious: xi:include is the way to go Feb 14 06:13:48 Sparks: Sure, but this is just a test... Feb 14 06:13:51 mdious: Refer to release-notes or installation-guide as example Feb 14 06:14:00 jsmith: That would be great Feb 14 06:14:01 Or I could take the Software Management w/ Yum piece Feb 14 06:14:02 cool, so in the fedora toolchain, the makefile references one file (which i guess, is the same as the book_info in publican), and...? Feb 14 06:14:06 jsmith: Yeah... Should give you a comparison to the SMG Feb 14 06:14:10 jsmith: You should blog your experience Feb 14 06:14:11 stickster: thanks, I have the install-guide here Feb 14 06:14:32 SMG +1 for testing Feb 14 06:14:37 stickster: Uh, yeah.... I really should... and then convince someone to make me a hackergotchi, and get syndicated and all Feb 14 06:14:48 stickster: You really are gonna put me to work, aren't you ;-) Feb 14 06:14:49 I'll do the hackergotchi for you if you send me a picture you like Feb 14 06:14:54 not sure how much jsmith already had done with the SMG conversion Feb 14 06:15:02 Sparks: About 90% or so Feb 14 06:15:13 jsmith: You mean you aren't done yet? Feb 14 06:15:16 doh! Feb 14 06:15:17 Sparks: It's mostly done, other than the editing Feb 14 06:15:22 oh, snap! Feb 14 06:15:25 jsmith: :) Feb 14 06:15:27 *cough*slacker*cought* Feb 14 06:15:44 Hey, the hard part is done... it just needs a few eyeballs to wordsmith it Feb 14 06:15:58 * jsmith may even have a stray edit or two still on his laptop Feb 14 06:16:00 send me a link jsmith Feb 14 06:17:39 OK, jfearn, how are you with outcome here? Feb 14 06:18:17 stickster, I'm pretty happy, people seem to have the basics and will be able to play and ask questions :) Feb 14 06:18:23 I'd love something committed to /cvs/docs/ that can build with this Feb 14 06:18:38 let's get the s-m-g in there and do a version that builds with publican too Feb 14 06:19:07 quaid, can it wait a week? I might be able to get the internationalization guide for you Feb 14 06:19:21 I'll go ahead and get started with it tomorrow Feb 14 06:19:23 Sparks, jsmith : I have to hunt-n-nag dkl about the bugzilla name change for that Feb 14 06:19:42 jfearn: let's let jsmith try it out and see how far he gets Feb 14 06:19:49 quaid: Okay. Feb 14 06:19:52 cool Feb 14 06:20:18 * Sparks yawns Feb 14 06:20:36 * quaid sends up flares Feb 14 06:20:47 Quaid .. needs .. food .. badly .. Feb 14 06:20:54 OK, I'll get started in the morning Feb 14 06:20:55 quaid: I have pie. Feb 14 06:21:00 mmm pie Feb 14 06:21:03 * jsmith throws quaid a twinkie Feb 14 06:21:07 quaid: Cherry pie Feb 14 06:21:12 quaid: Made it myself Feb 14 06:21:21 jsmith: bug here and/or the list if you get stuck Feb 14 06:21:27 Sparks: you far from Orlando? Feb 14 06:21:43 quaid: You know I will ;-) Feb 14 06:21:44 quaid: Southeastern Virginia Feb 14 06:21:45 yeah, if you get any errors just post to the list... Feb 14 06:21:52 quaid: far is so relative Feb 14 06:23:00 true Feb 14 06:23:13 however there must be something good here and the carbon footprint on it has already been burned ... Feb 14 06:23:13 ha! we start flying from Oldano to VA in march if you can wait Feb 14 06:23:38 s/Olando/Orland Feb 14 06:23:46 * quaid rips his bastardized publican packages out and installs again Feb 14 06:24:08 Sparks, so you are in my neck of the woods Feb 14 06:24:12 mdittmeier: Flying into what airport in VA? Feb 14 06:24:15 I saw it all work on a different host, so it's just me :) Feb 14 06:24:19 * jsmith is in VA too! Feb 14 06:24:37 quaid: It's always just you Feb 14 06:24:56 SG_Logger: Where are you? Feb 14 06:25:04 blacksburg Feb 14 06:25:18 Ahhh... Newport News Feb 14 06:25:28 <= King of Pebcak Feb 14 06:25:29 opps you said SE Feb 14 06:25:35 Richmond airport Feb 14 06:25:38 i thought SW Feb 14 06:25:49 Spirit Feb 14 06:26:05 * mdious glares at red hat campers Feb 14 06:26:13 mdittmeier: okay... about an hour away. Come on down to the Newport News-Williamsburg International Airport... :) Feb 14 06:26:17 * jfearn pokes davido Feb 14 06:26:32 jfearn, what? Feb 14 06:26:45 boom! headshot Feb 14 06:26:46 I'm innocent Feb 14 06:26:53 daMaestro, just making sure you where OK, at your age to much silense can scare poeple Feb 14 06:27:02 doh Feb 14 06:27:05 Okay, I'm headed to bed. Thanks for the startup on Publican! Feb 14 06:27:17 Great intro! Feb 14 06:27:33 Thanks jfearn... I'm super excited Feb 14 06:27:37 yes, nice work Feb 14 06:27:38 jfearn, I'm just making sure you don't tell any lies or blame us writers for anything Feb 14 06:27:41 +1 Feb 14 06:28:13 thank for coming, I'm on the fedora docs list, so if you have any questions that's the place to ask Feb 14 06:28:18 * pgampe (n=pgampe at nat/redhat/x-2bb662e2e8dd7b95) has left #fedora-docs ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org") Feb 14 06:28:18 * daMaestro makes some random cow noise Feb 14 06:28:23 jfearn, pretabenterkeyitis Feb 14 06:28:32 ? Feb 14 06:29:07 SG_Logger, guilty as charged Feb 14 06:30:36 * mdious has quit ("Leaving.") Feb 14 06:31:04 jsmith: Still there? Feb 14 06:31:11 stickster: Yup Feb 14 06:31:16 stickster: But not for long Feb 14 06:31:59 pants Feb 14 06:32:35 It's in mah pants! Feb 14 06:32:40 * EvilBob had to buy pants for FUDcon... Feb 14 06:32:45 * stickster too Feb 14 06:33:19 I wear Jeans or Shorts most of the time when I am out of the house Feb 14 06:33:39 when I am in the office yall are lucky we don't do video chat Feb 14 06:33:51 and how Feb 14 06:34:11 glezos, he saw where I work most of the time Feb 14 06:34:28 one hand on the kettle or sauce pan, one on the keyboard Feb 14 06:34:35 EvilBob: Number one reason videophones never became popular Feb 14 06:34:35 quaid: clothing optional beach? Feb 14 06:34:39 cookin' wif FOSS, yo! Feb 14 06:34:40 so I guess it's the little apron that would be embarassing Feb 14 06:35:03 at work wears cargo pants at home sweats Feb 14 06:35:16 lol, come on down here to Miami! Feb 14 06:35:31 they were cool stuff (nothing) Feb 14 06:37:27 * mdious (n=mmcallis at nat/redhat/x-e61566572306d77d) has joined #fedora-docs Feb 14 06:38:42 All right, I had a crap day and I'm gonna call it one now. Feb 14 06:38:51 one last thing Feb 14 06:39:25 I have the packages branched for F-*, El-4 and EL-5, is it OK for me to try and get those packages pushed? Feb 14 06:39:26 stickster: Good Night Boss Feb 14 06:39:34 f-8 Feb 14 06:39:47 jfearn: they built fine here Feb 14 06:40:06 stickster: adios, amigo Feb 14 06:40:07 Go for it! Feb 14 06:40:14 * jsmith is running it on F8 on both PPC and i386 Feb 14 06:40:17 jfearn: Thanks very much for your time today Feb 14 06:40:23 +1 Feb 14 06:40:30 probably some missing deps from the epel repos, but F-8 should be fine Feb 14 06:40:55 jfearn: I have only run publican-fedora and publican through my shredder fir i386 and x86_64 Feb 14 06:41:05 jfearn: so they'll be in EPEL? rockin' Feb 14 06:41:17 * stickster looks forward to more partnership with RH Docs Feb 14 06:41:24 +1 Feb 14 06:41:25 quaid, yeah, I'll probably have to get some other packages branched for epel though Feb 14 06:41:28 g'night all Feb 14 06:41:34 stickster: Have a good night! Feb 14 06:41:35 ah, oy Feb 14 06:41:38 joy Feb 14 06:41:42 night Paul Feb 14 06:41:46 * stickster is now known as stickster_afk Feb 14 06:41:49 good morning, good afternoon and good night Feb 14 06:43:12 I'm going to have lunch, I'll be back on later if anyone has any questions Feb 14 06:43:45 * jfearn has quit ("Hasta luego muchachos") Feb 14 06:43:50 * jsmith is now known as jsmith-zzz Feb 14 06:44:21 * jmbuser has a log which he will attempt to post From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 17:29:04 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:29:04 +0300 Subject: Publican Fedora-docs IRC Summary needed Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802150929t785ee60ei96d7e41e7c557ecd@mail.gmail.com> Fedorans: As you know, we had an extraordinary meeting on 14 February at 0200 hours UTC to chat with the author and team who created Publican. Publican, formerly known as documentation-devel, is a completely unencumbered documentation publisher, developed in-house by the Red Hat Documentation group, and recently open sourced for use by the Fedora Project and other FOSS projects. I published the IRC log at http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-February/msg00096.html. I also published in HTML format on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes/IRCLog20080214. Can someone produce a meeting summary? If you do it and need help posting it, just send it to the list and I will make sure it's posted and referenced in the proper format. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 20:13:11 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:13:11 +0300 Subject: new publishing package: publican In-Reply-To: <1203081535.6142.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> <47B4FD19.6@gmail.com> <1203081535.6142.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802151213m75c9578atd2295de0b493b06@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 08:16 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > | Publican is being incorporated into the Fedora tree in the coming days > > | and weeks. To learn more, members of the Publican development and > > | documentation team will be answering questions in #fedora-docs on > > | irc.freenode.net on Thursday 2008/02/14 from 12:00 Australian Eastern > > | Standard Time (2008/02/14 02:00 UTC/GMT; 2008/02/14 IST; 2008/02/13 > > | 22:00 American EDT; 2008/02/13 19:00 American PDT). > > > > Can someone blog about this a bit more please ? Since this meeting is > > not being held on #fedora-meeting, a few interested entities might miss > > out unless word of mouth happens > > +1. I put out something on my blog yesterday, but this subject could > use more press. Someone out there (other than me and Karsten) must be > carried on the planet, right? :-) > I just blogged about Publican at http://jmbuser.livejournal.com, which is republished on Planet Fedora. I also point to a wiki page I created about Publican at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Publican. Updates to the wiki page are definitely welcome. I hope this helps. Best Regards, John "FOSS Docs the FOSS Way" Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Feb 15 23:43:34 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:43:34 +1000 Subject: new publishing package: publican In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802151213m75c9578atd2295de0b493b06@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0802131709j5e80f35du8c7e612914d6d5ab@mail.gmail.com> <47B4FD19.6@gmail.com> <1203081535.6142.57.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0802151213m75c9578atd2295de0b493b06@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0802151543t641aa61cl4f0b08c5c966e36e@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 16, 2008 6:13 AM, John Babich wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-15 at 08:16 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > > > | Publican is being incorporated into the Fedora tree in the coming days > > > | and weeks. To learn more, members of the Publican development and > > > | documentation team will be answering questions in #fedora-docs on > > > | irc.freenode.net on Thursday 2008/02/14 from 12:00 Australian Eastern > > > | Standard Time (2008/02/14 02:00 UTC/GMT; 2008/02/14 IST; 2008/02/13 > > > | 22:00 American EDT; 2008/02/13 19:00 American PDT). > > > > > > Can someone blog about this a bit more please ? Since this meeting is > > > not being held on #fedora-meeting, a few interested entities might miss > > > out unless word of mouth happens > > > > +1. I put out something on my blog yesterday, but this subject could > > use more press. Someone out there (other than me and Karsten) must be > > carried on the planet, right? :-) > > > > I just blogged about Publican at http://jmbuser.livejournal.com, which > is republished on Planet Fedora. > > I also point to a wiki page I created about Publican at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Publican. Updates to the > wiki page are definitely welcome. > > I hope this helps. > > Best Regards, > > John "FOSS Docs the FOSS Way" Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project Wow! Thanks for all the work, the blogs, the wiki etc, looks great! Feel free to post to the list if you have any questions... Kind Regards, Murray. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 00:02:26 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 10:02:26 +1000 Subject: error in publican documentation Message-ID: <95f1114b0802151602q15f76651g8e7b5f7dd8cbce91@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I just noticed in the "Files in the Book directory", section "Author_Group.xml", it states to remove the "" line from Book_Name.xml. This should be Book_Info.xml. I am having trouble logging in at the moment, so I haven't had a chance to fix it. Thanks, Murray. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From sam.folkwilliams at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 11:05:10 2008 From: sam.folkwilliams at gmail.com (Sam Folk-Williams) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:05:10 -0500 Subject: virtualization in f8? In-Reply-To: <20080212204221.GA28382@localhost.localdomain> References: <47B1C565.8060109@fedoraproject.org> <20080212204221.GA28382@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On 2/12/08, Eric H Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I can take a look at the virtualization documentation later this week to see what it says. Bob pointed me in the right direction to get KVM running in F8 and F9 Alpha. Both worked exactly the same. > This is the F8 documentation: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Fedora8VirtQuickStart Virtualization in F8 is very different than previous due to lots of improvements! I create a new page for each release, but it can take time to get it up and running for a new release. > Eric > > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 09:42:21PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > >> over at the docs page, i see that the virtualization documentation > >> is still listed as for f7. does this mean it's essentially unchanged > >> for f8? > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Virtualization.html. > > The other document still links to Fedora 7 IIRC because it was still a > > draft. > > > > > > and what about for f9? in cases where an alpha release is > >> out, it would (in a perfect world, of course) be handy to have at > >> least a bullet point list of significant changes from the previous > >> release. > > > > This is hard unless we get more contributors. > > > >> > >> and jessica alba. i want a date with jessica alba while you're at > >> it. > > > > Way easier. > > > > Rahul > > > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHsgStL5V8yddJCO0RAi4CAJ0T62R3q8XWsUouBsjb9/ePvLxD7wCfd2Ty > cRAaVsEP1AY+fknGR9nUKWs= > =NrSb > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Mon Feb 18 14:47:11 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:47:11 -0500 Subject: Publican question Message-ID: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I figured I'd throw this one out here -- Is anyone else able to build PDFs using Publican? I've been playing with it all weekend, but I keep getting errors from FOP when I try to build PDFs. (This is after I tweaked /usr/share/publican/xsl/main-pdf.xsl to pull the import the stylesheets on the local system provided by the docbook-style-xsl package, instead of having it pull them from the internet every time. I'm on a very slow internet connection, and it was timing out while trying to download these files.) The error I"m getting is: SEVERE: javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: file:/tmp/test-article/tmp/en-US/xml/test-article.fo:1:28716: Error(1/28716): No element mapping definition found for (Namespace URI: "http://xml.apache.org/fop/extensions", Local Name: "destination") Feb 18, 2008 9:25:10 AM org.apache.fop.cli.Main startFOP SEVERE: Exception javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: org.apache.fop.apps.FOPException: file:/tmp/test-article/tmp/en-US/xml/test-article.fo:1:28716: Error(1/28716): No element mapping definition found for (Namespace URI: "http://xml.apache.org/fop/extensions", Local Name: "destination") at org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.transformTo(InputHandler.java:168) at org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.renderTo(InputHandler.java:115) at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.startFOP(Main.java:166) at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.main(Main.java:196) FWIW, I'm not running the very latest rawhide, but I've updated fop, xalan, xerces, xml-commons-*, xmlgraphics-*, and the whole IcedTea stack to the latest versions. I'm no Java or FOP guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm open to any or all suggestions at this point. -Jared From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Mon Feb 18 20:43:24 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:43:24 -0500 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 09:47 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: > I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I figured I'd throw this > one out here -- Is anyone else able to build PDFs using Publican? I've > been playing with it all weekend, but I keep getting errors from FOP > when I try to build PDFs. OK, sorry for the noise on the list... I think I've made some pretty good progress on tracking down this problem. To make a long short, publican is assuming that we're using FOP 0.20, while what's in rawhide is 0.94. This meant xsltproc was adding fox:destination elements to the .fo file, instead of the new fo:bookmarks instead. To work around this problem, I had to pass two additional string parameters to xsltproc (in Makefile.templates): --stringparam fop1.extensions 1 --stringparam fop.extensions 0 That got the .fo file generated so that FOP 0.94 would handle it correctly, but then FOP died complaining that it couldn't find Batik in the classpath. (Which is strange, because I have batik installed. I'm wondering if the version of FOP in rawhide needs to be rebuilt with something to tell it to look for batik, but that's just a wild guess.) FOP needs batik to render the SVG graphics. To get around this problem, I removed the SVG logo from my document, and I passed one more parameter to xsltproc to tell it to use the .png admonition graphics instead of the SVG versions: --stringparam admon.graphics.extension .png Ah, lo and behold, I was able to render a PDF! I'll go ahead and create a diff against Makefile.templates and post it to bugzilla tomorrow, but this raises a few questions: 1) Do we want the toolchain to be able to detect the version of FOP and adjust itself accordingly? 2) Do we want to expose other parameters to xsltproc? In my very rudimentary home-grown toolchain, I create a custom XSLT stylesheet that exposes a bunch of settings (paper.type, double.sided, draft.mode, shade.verbatim, etc.) which imports the standard XSL stylesheet. Would this be more manageable in the long run that passing a bunch of stringparam arguments to xsltproc? 3) Makefile.templates currently tells FOP to use the fop configuration file in $(COMMON_CONFIG)/fop/fop-0.20.5.xconf, but that doesn't come as part of the publican package. Should we remove the reference (and assume people have a valid FOP config file in /etc/fop.conf), or expose this via a variable in the Makefile? (This isn't a big deal -- I just thought I'd mention it in passing while I was thinking about it.) 4) Can somebody take a look at why fop isn't seeing batik in the classpath? My Java skills are obviously too weak to fix this problem. -Jared From jfearn at redhat.com Mon Feb 18 23:23:01 2008 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:23:01 +1000 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> Hi Jared, we do indeed use FOP 0.20.5, and although I have some configuration data I used when testing FOP 0.93, it is by no means complete and I have no idea if they work with FOP 0.94. FWIW I have found FOP 0.20.5 to be significantly more reliable than FOP 0.93, I haven't had time to test FOP 0.94 yet :( Jared Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2008-02-18 at 09:47 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: >> I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I figured I'd throw this >> one out here -- Is anyone else able to build PDFs using Publican? I've >> been playing with it all weekend, but I keep getting errors from FOP >> when I try to build PDFs. > > OK, sorry for the noise on the list... I think I've made some pretty > good progress on tracking down this problem. To make a long short, > publican is assuming that we're using FOP 0.20, while what's in rawhide > is 0.94. This meant xsltproc was adding fox:destination elements to > the .fo file, instead of the new fo:bookmarks instead. To work around > this problem, I had to pass two additional string parameters to xsltproc > (in Makefile.templates): > > --stringparam fop1.extensions 1 --stringparam fop.extensions 0 > > That got the .fo file generated so that FOP 0.94 would handle it > correctly, but then FOP died complaining that it couldn't find Batik in > the classpath. (Which is strange, because I have batik installed. I'm > wondering if the version of FOP in rawhide needs to be rebuilt with > something to tell it to look for batik, but that's just a wild guess.) > FOP needs batik to render the SVG graphics. To get around this problem, > I removed the SVG logo from my document, and I passed one more parameter > to xsltproc to tell it to use the .png admonition graphics instead of > the SVG versions: > > --stringparam admon.graphics.extension .png > > Ah, lo and behold, I was able to render a PDF! > > I'll go ahead and create a diff against Makefile.templates and post it > to bugzilla tomorrow, but this raises a few questions: > > 1) Do we want the toolchain to be able to detect the version of FOP and > adjust itself accordingly? This is probably the best approach, however different versions of FOP require different configuration files and font metrics files. So we really want to keep the number of supported version to a low number, like say 2 :) > 2) Do we want to expose other parameters to xsltproc? In my very > rudimentary home-grown toolchain, I create a custom XSLT stylesheet that > exposes a bunch of settings (paper.type, double.sided, draft.mode, > shade.verbatim, etc.) which imports the standard XSL stylesheet. Would > this be more manageable in the long run that passing a bunch of > stringparam arguments to xsltproc? The custom xsl has been specifically modified to give the best layout for the targeted formatting. It _may_ break horribly if you change parameters like single page and paper size. By "break horribly" I mean it may output ugly things, which I'm assured is close to criminal ... Andy likes his pretty things! The thing about brands is that you don't want people changing things arbitrarily, if they want that they need to make their own brand. The first custom brand will probably be a little difficult, I'll be happy to help anyone trying to setup a custom brand to get any kinks worked out. I think the best way of doing this is to check for Brand specific xsl files, and if they exist use them. This way you can guarantee that books built using your brand, on your build server, will always be "on brand". But it also allows people to make custom brands and change the layout however they want. If you wanted to offer two different outputs for a single real format, i.e. two flavors of pdf, one way would be to make a new main-.xsl file. e.g. Say you were wrong, yes wrong, and wanted to use US Letter (he he he :P) and single page, you could make a new target, say pdf-LS, you just cp main-pdf.xsl to main-pdf-LS.xsl, and make your changes to main-pdf-LS.xsl. The slightly tricky part is to add the extra build targets to the appropriate Makefile, and viola you have an easy way of building US Letter, Single Page, PDFs (make pdf-LS). This is tricky since it uses Makefile templates, but the actually changes are easy once you grok how they work. This would allow you to heavily customize the pdf-LS output without impacting the standards compliant, highly correct, extremely sexy, A4 pdf output ;) I'll be adding Brand specific Makefiles to allow Brands to customize the build process, so this kind of thing will be easier for Brands to do. > 3) Makefile.templates currently tells FOP to use the fop configuration > file in $(COMMON_CONFIG)/fop/fop-0.20.5.xconf, but that doesn't come as > part of the publican package. Should we remove the reference (and > assume people have a valid FOP config file in /etc/fop.conf), or expose > this via a variable in the Makefile? (This isn't a big deal -- I just > thought I'd mention it in passing while I was thinking about it.) It's at /usr/share/publican/fop/fop-0.20.5.xconf There is also /usr/share/publican/fop/fop-0.93.xconf The default fop config file lacks font entries, causing most translated PDFs to be unreadable. Definitely need to be able to switch fop config files, I'll poke around to find a workable way of doing this. Cheers, Jeff. From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 19 08:29:05 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:29:05 -0800 Subject: an idea for meeting times Message-ID: <1203409745.5693.125.camel@calliope.phig.org> First of all, it seems too late to change the meeting for this week. I'll address that agenda under a separate email. No perfect seven meeting time; best we can do is six: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix I'm proposing that we do what others have had to do and alternate meeting times. As much as I'd like to keep our current time, Wed. at 1900 gets us a slot in #fedora-meeting with the following people: glezos quaid couf BobJensen jmbuser stickster The other six-way is Saturday at 1500 UTC, which is also an open time in #fedora-meeting: stickster glezos quaid couf jared jmbuser Thoughts? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After that, I may be working in a new time zone, which will require an adjustment. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From kwade at redhat.com Tue Feb 19 11:43:46 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:43:46 -0800 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1203421426.5693.133.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 09:23 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > Jared Smith wrote: > > 1) Do we want the toolchain to be able to detect the version of FOP and > > adjust itself accordingly? > > This is probably the best approach, however different versions of FOP require > different configuration files and font metrics files. So we really want to keep > the number of supported version to a low number, like say 2 :) How about three+? This is because we have Fedora N, Fedora N-1, rawhide, and EPEL 5. I'm reckoning that you might want to see the a preferred version of fop in EPEL. We'll continue to need it working in the current, current-minus-one, and rawhide. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's probably easier at this point than being able to commit to a Saturday schedule. -Jared From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 14:12:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 09:12:29 -0500 Subject: an idea for meeting times In-Reply-To: <1203425472.2697.160.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1203409745.5693.125.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1203425472.2697.160.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <1203430349.28789.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 07:51 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: > On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 00:29 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > No perfect seven meeting time; best we can do is six: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix > > > > I'm proposing that we do what others have had to do and alternate > > meeting times. > > > > As much as I'd like to keep our current time, Wed. at 1900 gets us a > > slot in #fedora-meeting with the following people: > > > > glezos > > quaid > > couf > > BobJensen > > jmbuser > > stickster > > That time works for me this week, and I'll try to arrange my work > schedule so that I can be there most weeks at that time, since I'm the > odd man out. That's probably easier at this point than being able to > commit to a Saturday schedule. Thanks for making time for us, Jared! +1 on the time for me, I've got it on my calendar now. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 16:52:16 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:52:16 +0300 Subject: Fixing a Time for the Fedora Docs Meeting Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802190852s2480180egda9ed579af05f36a@mail.gmail.com> Fellow Fedoran Doc-workers: After following the mailing list discussion, I would like to fix the date and time for this week's meeting for Wednesday, 1900 UTC. I've updated the wiki page accordingly: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings. This, of course, can be changed to a different time and date next week. Please confirm or decline. Best Regards, John "Timekeeper" Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From bob at fedoraunity.org Tue Feb 19 16:58:52 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:58:52 -0600 Subject: Fixing a Time for the Fedora Docs Meeting In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802190852s2480180egda9ed579af05f36a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0802190852s2480180egda9ed579af05f36a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BB0ACC.8040307@fedoraunity.org> John Babich wrote: > Fellow Fedoran Doc-workers: > > After following the mailing list discussion, I would like to fix the > date and time for this week's meeting for Wednesday, 1900 UTC. > > I've updated the wiki page accordingly: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings. > > This, of course, can be changed to a different time and date next week. > > Please confirm or decline. > > Best Regards, > > John "Timekeeper" Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > How do we keep ending up on Wednesday? Robert 'Bob' Jensen From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 17:22:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:22:07 -0500 Subject: Fixing a Time for the Fedora Docs Meeting In-Reply-To: <47BB0ACC.8040307@fedoraunity.org> References: <9d2c731f0802190852s2480180egda9ed579af05f36a@mail.gmail.com> <47BB0ACC.8040307@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <1203441727.3893.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 10:58 -0600, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > John Babich wrote: > > Fellow Fedoran Doc-workers: > > > > After following the mailing list discussion, I would like to fix the > > date and time for this week's meeting for Wednesday, 1900 UTC. > > > > I've updated the wiki page accordingly: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings. > > > > This, of course, can be changed to a different time and date next week. > > > > Please confirm or decline. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > John "Timekeeper" Babich > > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project > > > > How do we keep ending up on Wednesday? Q.v. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/MeetingTimeMatrix -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 20:28:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:28:24 -0500 Subject: Meeting tomorrow Message-ID: <1203452904.3893.78.camel@localhost.localdomain> FWIW, I may be slightly late to tomorrow's meeting -- I have an interview scheduled at 1:30, but I'll log until then. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 12:18:45 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:18:45 +0300 Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> On Feb 13, 2008 4:10 PM, John Babich wrote: > Valentin: > > Nice job... > > I posted it at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WebcamHowto > > and will add your images and clean it up. > Valentin: I just completed my latest random act of Wiki kindness. Please review my editing work and see if it meets with your approval. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Feb 20 13:38:37 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:08:37 +0530 Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BC2D5D.7050307@fedoraproject.org> John Babich wrote: > On Feb 13, 2008 4:10 PM, John Babich wrote: > >> Valentin: >> >> Nice job... >> >> I posted it at >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WebcamHowto >> >> and will add your images and clean it up. >> > Valentin: > > I just completed my latest random act of Wiki kindness. > > Please review my editing work and see if it meets with your approval. Might want to get that spelling mistake fixed in the software by filing a bug report and keeping track of it within the document itself. Documentation team along with translators should help improve the software too. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 13:50:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:50:10 +0000 Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <47BC2D5D.7050307@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> <47BC2D5D.7050307@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1203515410.25040.79.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 19:08 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > John Babich wrote: > > On Feb 13, 2008 4:10 PM, John Babich wrote: > > > >> Valentin: > >> > >> Nice job... > >> > >> I posted it at > >> > >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WebcamHowto > >> > >> and will add your images and clean it up. > >> > > Valentin: > > > > I just completed my latest random act of Wiki kindness. > > > > Please review my editing work and see if it meets with your approval. > > Might want to get that spelling mistake fixed in the software by filing > a bug report and keeping track of it within the document itself. > Documentation team along with translators should help improve the > software too. Totally agreed. In fact, if someone wants to deliver a HOWTO that has a community-seeding value for the Docs Project itself, it would be how to check the upstream CVS and create a patch for use by the software authors and Fedora maintainer. This would match Fedora's goal to always work upstream wherever possible. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 17:44:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:44:58 +0000 Subject: Meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <1203452904.3893.78.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1203452904.3893.78.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1203529498.20870.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 15:28 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > FWIW, I may be slightly late to tomorrow's meeting -- I have an > interview scheduled at 1:30, but I'll log until then. Whoops, my schedule was worse than I thought. I may miss this entirely. But that's an aberrance as far as I can tell -- this will normally not be a problem for me. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Day) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 13:07:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: fedora webcam howto In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802130457x5b49568dj39ab0914cf43744d@mail.gmail.com> <1202907686.24050.17.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0802130510o6a73804wcae3ed82ecf2133e@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0802200418v4edbc53cvc05e88e10be33921@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, John Babich wrote: > On Feb 13, 2008 4:10 PM, John Babich wrote: > > > Valentin: > > > > Nice job... > > > > I posted it at > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/WebcamHowto > > > > and will add your images and clean it up. > > > Valentin: > > I just completed my latest random act of Wiki kindness. > > Please review my editing work and see if it meets with your approval. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project i'm not sure this is relevant, but i just picked up a logitech quickcam communicate STX. i downloaded the driver from here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html and i'm up and running on fedora 8. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== From jfearn at redhat.com Thu Feb 21 00:19:10 2008 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 10:19:10 +1000 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <1203421426.5693.133.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> <1203421426.5693.133.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47BCC37E.9060905@redhat.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 09:23 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > >> Jared Smith wrote: >>> 1) Do we want the toolchain to be able to detect the version of FOP and >>> adjust itself accordingly? >> This is probably the best approach, however different versions of FOP require >> different configuration files and font metrics files. So we really want to keep >> the number of supported version to a low number, like say 2 :) > > How about three+? This is because we have Fedora N, Fedora N-1, > rawhide, and EPEL 5. I'm reckoning that you might want to see the a > preferred version of fop in EPEL. We'll continue to need it working in > the current, current-minus-one, and rawhide. I came up with a way that can support an arbitrary number of config files :) I have some patches in place to try and get FOP 0.94 working, however it's proving to be a pain to get working. Still plugging away on that. Cheers, Jeff. -- Jeff Fearn Software Engineer Engineering Operations Red Hat, Inc From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 05:44:04 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:44:04 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-20 IRC log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802202144s66f346ffn3d5177c75567e0d8@mail.gmail.com> Feb 20 21:58:26 Feb 20 21:58:37 ... cuz someone had to pull the trigger :D Feb 20 21:59:06 Hello, everyone - just a second as I pull up the agenda... Feb 20 21:59:10 stickster (Paul Frields) is not able to join us today Feb 20 21:59:44 quaid (Karsten Wade) is multitasking Feb 20 21:59:58 I am Bob Jensen Feb 20 22:00:12 John Babich Feb 20 22:00:21 I am Fedora Feb 20 22:00:23 bpepple|lt: art Couvreur here Feb 20 22:00:24 Jared Smith (eating and typing at the same time) Feb 20 22:00:26 uh, that is, Karsten Feb 20 22:00:34 ow that wasn't for you bpepple|lt Feb 20 22:00:42 quaid: You are Fedora and I can too? Feb 20 22:01:03 kthx! Feb 20 22:01:18 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred at unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:01:50 Southern_Gentlem is Ben Williams, he is one of my partners on the Install Guide Feb 20 22:02:00 * jmbuser is on a connection slightly better than dialup Feb 20 22:02:05 Eric Feb 20 22:02:27 EvilBob: can you back up jmbuser to drive the meeting if jmbuser drops and I appear distracted? Feb 20 22:02:40 quaid: always Feb 20 22:02:42 jmbuser: I think the previous agenda should suffice Feb 20 22:03:00 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings is the link Feb 20 22:03:14 wiki slowness Feb 20 22:03:49 please ignore my lousy time and date link Feb 20 22:05:16 One Summary update Feb 20 22:05:26 Who has this task? Feb 20 22:05:31 * mbacovsk has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 20 22:05:52 jonrob and I have been bouncing it a bit, i guess Feb 20 22:06:03 quaid: any updates? Feb 20 22:06:08 I think he and I got a good understanding last time, and may have consensus :) Feb 20 22:06:13 the misunderstanding, for the record, Feb 20 22:06:26 was that folks thought the Single Summary is intended Feb 20 22:06:29 to be read from top to bottom Feb 20 22:06:41 rather, instead, it is meant to be a source for other things that are themselves read alone Feb 20 22:07:14 so we can have slightly duplicate information for different audiences, all in the one SingleSUmmary Feb 20 22:07:30 Sure Feb 20 22:07:49 otherwise, we'll have to do more work there as Beta approaches Feb 20 22:07:57 we have that on the schedule? Feb 20 22:08:24 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:08:45 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Feb 20 22:09:34 I do not see it on http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html Feb 20 22:09:37 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at p54B11803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:11:06 so we need to get that targeted and info sent to poelcat Feb 20 22:11:19 next items Feb 20 22:11:35 Update on active content work Feb 20 22:12:05 Relnotes one sheet - anyone? Feb 20 22:12:15 any of the active documents have an update Feb 20 22:12:19 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Be Naughty! Save Santa the trip.") Feb 20 22:12:43 DUG has been quiet lately Feb 20 22:13:24 I believe Crypto Guide had some activity recently Feb 20 22:13:42 A little Feb 20 22:14:27 Sparks: Care to expand on that? Feb 20 22:14:36 I haven't had the time to spend on really putting the information together... Feb 20 22:14:51 but some of the information is out there it just needs to be pulled in... Feb 20 22:15:20 to the Crypto Guide. i don't know how indepth I really need to go for... Feb 20 22:15:40 the LUKS portion as it is fairly automated in F9. The procedure is... Feb 20 22:15:53 still there for users of F8. EOF Feb 20 22:16:14 Sparks: Thanks Feb 20 22:16:22 * jmtaylor (n=jason at c-76-112-119-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:16:34 I have a couple things for the IG, this week we will be looking things over to figure out our time line for poelcat Feb 20 22:16:59 * kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:17:23 I need to get a couple F9Alpha installs done so I am up to speed Feb 20 22:17:29 EOF Feb 20 22:17:39 AG is as DUG pretty silent the last time Feb 20 22:17:46 EvilBob: And thanks to you Feb 20 22:17:49 need to get that back up to speed and do the conversion Feb 20 22:18:35 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:18:40 couf: Is the AG pretty much complete? Feb 20 22:19:02 * kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:19:09 can anyone work with poelcat to get our schedule updated? we have tarets that are not integrated, etc. Feb 20 22:19:24 honestly I haven't got time to look at it lately Feb 20 22:19:37 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:19:57 Thanks, Couf - back to quaid's question Feb 20 22:20:04 so I'm feeling a slip coming, if we look at the original schedule Feb 20 22:20:20 or not... Feb 20 22:20:53 quaid: I will see if I can get with poelcat this weekend Feb 20 22:21:00 * sereinity (n=sereinit at ALyon-755-1-4-156.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:21:05 * Southern_Gentlem has quit ("In a world without walls, who needs Windows") Feb 20 22:21:09 * poelcat books flight to MN Feb 20 22:21:24 yeah, it might all be there but it's not in one place or ratified Feb 20 22:21:33 poelcat: do I need to call the butcher and clean the spare room? Feb 20 22:22:34 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred at unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:22:37 The wind chill was -45F this morning Feb 20 22:23:33 * kital (n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:23:45 yeah, but at least it's not raining like in Portland! Feb 20 22:23:48 Beats? Feb 20 22:23:55 EvilBob: So you and poelcat will stave off the cold by revising the schedule? Feb 20 22:24:02 beats are too quiet Feb 20 22:24:09 how is the Release notes coming? Feb 20 22:24:14 we need to push on all the sub-projects we know to start putting in their stuff Feb 20 22:24:29 especially ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion? Feb 20 22:24:40 fortunately I think a lot of stuff is happening in the Features that usually happens in the Beats Feb 20 22:25:12 true Feb 20 22:25:20 quaid: is that going to be enough? Feb 20 22:26:45 OK next Feb 20 22:27:02 Meeting Time settled or need more discussion? Feb 20 22:27:05 I know quaid will answer when he has a chance Feb 20 22:27:13 * couf probably going to disappear in a few, freenode server reboot Feb 20 22:27:17 Meeting time Feb 20 22:27:25 EvilBob: Installation Guide? Feb 20 22:27:28 is this good for everyone? Feb 20 22:27:41 stickster: yes? Feb 20 22:27:57 stickster: I noted it above Feb 20 22:28:04 Sorry, I looked back and missed it Feb 20 22:28:22 stickster: It's OK Feb 20 22:28:59 Concerning the meeting time - this works for me Feb 20 22:29:04 EvilBob: probably not enough Feb 20 22:29:38 the IG is going to take three phases, Update existing content, Return/rewrite older dropped content, add new features Feb 20 22:29:57 at least that is what we see right now Feb 20 22:30:36 quaid: OK I will look through and start bugging people, will CC the list when I do so via email Feb 20 22:31:22 * pingou has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 20 22:31:24 Meeting time is good Feb 20 22:31:33 so Leadership! Feb 20 22:31:44 Everyone agree on the meeting time? Feb 20 22:32:02 * pingou (n=Pingou at fedora/pingou) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:32:02 Uh... Feb 20 22:32:04 I think we do agree on the meeting time Feb 20 22:32:10 jsmith?? Feb 20 22:32:17 you are the odd man out Feb 20 22:32:24 Making it Wednesday permanently? Feb 20 22:32:28 jsmith: is this workable? Feb 20 22:32:36 fine for me Feb 20 22:32:42 Sure... and hour earlier would work better for me, but if this works best for everyone else, I'll make it work Feb 20 22:32:44 jsmith: nothing is perenent Feb 20 22:32:46 ok2me Feb 20 22:33:10 permanent Feb 20 22:33:25 jsmith: Thanks for the flexibility. Feb 20 22:33:25 but "for now" Feb 20 22:33:28 OK, sounds good Feb 20 22:33:30 +1 Feb 20 22:33:36 +1 Feb 20 22:33:40 +1 Feb 20 22:33:51 +1 Feb 20 22:34:03 * dstarh (n=dstarh__ at corp.ediets.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:34:06 And since stickster is away, I'll put in his vote as well ;-) Feb 20 22:34:06 stickster is a +1 Feb 20 22:34:17 * dstarh (n=dstarh__ at corp.ediets.com) has left #fedora-meeting ("Leaving") Feb 20 22:34:21 stickster quaid VOTE Feb 20 22:34:26 jsmith: back off, I am driving this train Feb 20 22:34:33 LOL Feb 20 22:34:38 'sides I already voted :) Feb 20 22:34:41 +1 Feb 20 22:34:50 OK, so Time: 1900 Hrs UTC it is Feb 20 22:35:02 Date: Wednesday Feb 20 22:35:03 in that I made the proposal! Feb 20 22:35:03 What was that issue again? Feb 20 22:35:03 j/k Feb 20 22:35:03 heh Feb 20 22:35:03 We have all in Feb 20 22:35:04 It's anonymous! ;-) Feb 20 22:35:07 * DanseMakabre (i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:35:10 EvilBob: btw, I started an email to the list about vice chairs and all that jazz, but never got in completed :) Feb 20 22:35:11 Or magnanimous... or something... Feb 20 22:35:17 but I did want to get that into the agenda Feb 20 22:35:45 so Leadership then? Feb 20 22:35:53 quaid: So you did Feb 20 22:35:57 Since FUDcon and before we have been talking about our leadership Feb 20 22:36:31 it has been known that for some time now quaid has expressed interest in getting replaced Feb 20 22:36:54 We were going to railroad stickster in to that job but he found another one Feb 20 22:37:25 We have done a poor job of grooming leadership Feb 20 22:37:42 we have focused on the few and left many behind Feb 20 22:37:57 well, we've been focused on making a system to write content Feb 20 22:38:00 and teach ppl how to do that Feb 20 22:38:09 which has been pretty successful itself Feb 20 22:38:22 What i suggested to quaid was a Vice Chair that is, a Chair in training Feb 20 22:39:00 right, which forces the current Chair (me) to get whatever down in the wiki that is missing and to train the VC to do that in the future. Feb 20 22:39:14 a 18month? term that would include 6months of learning the ropes and 6months of teaching the next one Feb 20 22:39:25 also, a VC gives a chance to split up active leadership duties more, so more gets done Feb 20 22:40:10 so with our next election we would be voting in a Vice Chair Feb 20 22:40:36 this Vice chair becomes the big deal after 6 months Feb 20 22:40:37 ? Feb 20 22:40:47 * herlo (n=clints at 166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:40:51 fair proposition Feb 20 22:40:53 Sparks: Yes? Feb 20 22:41:00 When are elections and how is voting handled? Feb 20 22:41:33 Sparks: FESCo picks it's leadership Feb 20 22:41:53 Sparks: the group of 7 votes Feb 20 22:42:02 Ahhh... okay... Feb 20 22:42:25 FAMSCo works the same way Feb 20 22:42:25 Sparks: the membership picks FDSCo Feb 20 22:42:33 FDSCo picks it;s leader Feb 20 22:42:57 That works. Thanks Feb 20 22:43:01 NP Feb 20 22:43:37 I would like to ask jmbuser if he is interested in becoming our next leader Feb 20 22:44:01 or anyone else in FDSCo Feb 20 22:44:18 was that to obvious? Feb 20 22:44:20 lOL Feb 20 22:44:27 * Southern_Gentlem does a happy dance Feb 20 22:44:38 Perhaps someone should propose and someone second the motion Feb 20 22:45:02 to be clearer Feb 20 22:45:03 Well we do not want to actually railroad anyone, are you willing? Feb 20 22:45:30 If everybody else is OK with it, I'm willing Feb 20 22:46:05 I would like to motion that we appoint jmbuser our Vice Chair Feb 20 22:46:28 Bob and I have been discussing all this in asides, and also talking with John (jmbuser) Feb 20 22:46:41 because he has been showing interest in leading more Feb 20 22:46:48 but we haven't had asides with everyone here Feb 20 22:46:54 right Feb 20 22:46:55 so this is the first chance all of you are hearing about it Feb 20 22:47:03 and we might want to give a few days to think about it all? Feb 20 22:47:07 or not, which we can vote on Feb 20 22:47:25 I would think that we would vote next week Feb 20 22:47:38 * petreu (n=peter at fedora/Standby) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:47:59 did we lose the server couf is on? Feb 20 22:48:04 That works for me Feb 20 22:48:07 not yet, sorry Feb 20 22:48:10 OK Feb 20 22:48:11 was distracted Feb 20 22:48:36 jmbuser++ Feb 20 22:48:46 OK we have a second Feb 20 22:49:07 Do we want to vote this week or next? Feb 20 22:49:18 I am fine with either Feb 20 22:50:09 any objection Feb 20 22:50:12 yeah fine both ways too Feb 20 22:50:13 to voting about it right now? Feb 20 22:50:16 quaid, if you operate on roberts rule of order say next week Feb 20 22:50:22 stickster, jsmith ? Feb 20 22:50:29 * bpepple|lt has quit ("Ex-Chat") Feb 20 22:50:33 Southern_Gentlem: eh, we're pretty informal there :) Feb 20 22:50:49 quaid: I'm OK... Feb 20 22:50:54 We are almost out of time, lets address it first thing next week Feb 20 22:50:59 yeah Feb 20 22:51:02 Agreed Feb 20 22:51:02 we can then discuss it on list Feb 20 22:51:03 (Sorry, phone call) Feb 20 22:51:07 make sure we aren't missing anything Feb 20 22:51:15 that will let our people weigh in on the list also Feb 20 22:51:21 I want people who are not in FDSCo to get the implication Feb 20 22:51:27 that there is room to be a leader here, etc. Feb 20 22:51:31 List is fine although I remember seeing this a while back in quaid's blog Feb 20 22:51:35 I'll try to get something from glezos this weekend on this Feb 20 22:51:36 jmbuser++ by the way Feb 20 22:51:45 stickster: oh is that where I wrote about it? :) Feb 20 22:51:47 seeing him this weekend (fosdem) Feb 20 22:51:53 fosdem++ Feb 20 22:51:54 I think you did Feb 20 22:52:02 OK AOB? Feb 20 22:52:02 it all kind of jams together after a while. Feb 20 22:52:10 I write things down so I don't have to remember it. Feb 20 22:52:16 I mean, HAHAHAHAHA Feb 20 22:52:17 my only OB was to make sure we did a schedule update and sanity check Feb 20 22:52:31 quaid: I added that to my list Feb 20 22:52:44 Publican familiarity, any thoughts? Feb 20 22:53:07 jsmith: Have you ironed out the issues you had? Feb 20 22:53:09 quaid: I will touch on that with poelcat, you and stickster before the next meeting Feb 20 22:54:14 jmbuser: Yes, I've ironed them out Feb 20 22:54:31 jsmith: impressions? Feb 20 22:54:41 I'd be happy to help people get up to speed with Publican Feb 20 22:54:44 jmbuser: I love it Feb 20 22:54:57 jmbuser: I wasn't very familiar with the old system, but publican is very nice Feb 20 22:55:02 EvilBob: add me to that list Feb 20 22:55:06 jmbuser: I'm sure we'll run into some snags (translations, etc.) Feb 20 22:55:15 jmbuser: But it's got a "two thumbs up" from me Feb 20 22:55:33 couf: yup Feb 20 22:55:38 danke Feb 20 22:56:25 jsmith: That's good to hear - the "old system" also works well and I think we need to stick to it for the F9 release Feb 20 22:56:30 motion to close? Feb 20 22:56:47 seconded Feb 20 22:56:59 Anything else - if not.. let's call it Feb 20 22:57:15 jmbuser: Yeah, I hear you there Feb 20 22:57:23 5 Feb 20 22:57:34 4 Feb 20 22:57:40 3.5 Feb 20 22:57:43 3 Feb 20 22:57:48 eggs! Feb 20 22:57:51 3.14? Feb 20 22:57:56 2 Feb 20 22:58:02 1 Feb 20 22:58:18 * GeroldKa (n=GeroldKa at fedora/geroldka) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:22 It's end of meeting! Feb 20 22:58:41 * Sparks (n=sparks at fedora/Sparks) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:41 From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Thu Feb 21 14:05:01 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 09:05:01 -0500 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <47BCC37E.9060905@redhat.com> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> <1203421426.5693.133.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BCC37E.9060905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1203602701.10263.48.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 10:19 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > I came up with a way that can support an arbitrary number of config files :) > > I have some patches in place to try and get FOP 0.94 working, however > it's proving to be a pain to get working. Still plugging away on that. OK, let me know if I can be of any help, as I currently have FOP 0.94 working just fine with Publican in Rawhide, with the exception of support for SVG graphics. I still haven't got that sorted out yet. -Jared From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 22 01:30:48 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:30:48 -0800 Subject: toolchain for F9 Message-ID: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> While all this toolchain talk is in the air ... We've got several major activities going on that are relying upon our current-and-working toolchain: * Release notes need to build properly by 16 March[1] * Updates to existing guides (IG, SMG) by mid-March[2] * New guides going into Beta in March (DUG, AG) Beyond being confident the guides can build cleanly, which Jared has demonstrated in the one case, we need to know that they can match whatever MUST list we put together. Some SHOULD items are OK, too. For starters: * Must be possible to go from Wiki to usable XML with similar process/hassle as current pathway * Must be able to pull book from CVS and build in Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 tests (Alpha, Beta, RC, Sulphur) - follows the tradition of not requiring docs tools to work for Fedora N-1 * Should be able to build in Fedora 7 * Must produce PO files that are line-for-line identical to the one produced in the last version - this is to minimize re-translation or having to re-check already translated strings on content that is already translated (IG, Relnotes) * Must process PO and POT so as to not put a burden on translation and Transifex (line-for-line identical or close enough) * Must be usable by Release Engineering in composing the build * Must be hostable by Fedora Infrastructure for Docs, L10n, or RelEng build systems * Must have a reliable upstream, should be relied upon for at least 12 months * Must have a packager who affirms to maintain the package, should be affirmed for at least 12 months * Should build RPMs that match the RPM capability of /cvs/docs - need to list these out Anything else? - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule [2] Jared has the SMG building in publican but we haven't run it against any kind of checklist for completion -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Still plugging away on that. > > OK, let me know if I can be of any help, as I currently have FOP 0.94 > working just fine with Publican in Rawhide, with the exception of > support for SVG graphics. I still haven't got that sorted out yet. IIRC, Batik originally had some dependencies for graphics processing that couldn't be cleanly included under IcedTea. It may not yet be able to process SVG? I think Mark (Cc:'d) might be able to shed some light on this. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some SHOULD items are OK, too. > > For starters: > > * Must be possible to go from Wiki to usable XML with similar > process/hassle as current pathway > > * Must be able to pull book from CVS and build in Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 > tests (Alpha, Beta, RC, Sulphur) > - follows the tradition of not requiring docs tools to work for Fedora > N-1 > > * Should be able to build in Fedora 7 > > * Must produce PO files that are line-for-line identical to the one > produced in the last version > - this is to minimize re-translation or having to re-check already > translated strings on content that is already translated (IG, Relnotes) > > * Must process PO and POT so as to not put a burden on translation and > Transifex (line-for-line identical or close enough) > > * Must be usable by Release Engineering in composing the build > > * Must be hostable by Fedora Infrastructure for Docs, L10n, or RelEng > build systems > > * Must have a reliable upstream, should be relied upon for at least 12 > months > > * Must have a packager who affirms to maintain the package, should be > affirmed for at least 12 months > > * Should build RPMs that match the RPM capability of /cvs/docs > - need to list these out > > Anything else? > > - Karsten > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule > [2] Jared has the SMG building in publican but we haven't run it against > any kind of checklist for completion > I would love to be able to transfer to xml as in know how to transfer to xml so I can actually work on the DuG. It's at the stage were it is edit ready so the reason why there hasn't been any discussion is because I have no idea of how to proceed from now. I'm not trying to steal this post btw it just links in :) Cheers, Marc From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Fri Feb 22 15:34:33 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:34:33 -0500 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1203694473.3842.28.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 17:30 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > While all this toolchain talk is in the air ... > > We've got several major activities going on that are relying upon our > current-and-working toolchain: Just to be clear... I'm *not* pushing for a change to a new toolchain before F9. I think it would be awfully rash of us to do so at this point in the game. I also don't want anybody to mistake my enthusiasm for publican as somehow knocking the current tool chain. I'll be the first to admit that I don't know the current tool chain very well. Additionally, I don't think we've tested publican enough (as far as the translations go, especially) to know whether or not it's a good fit for what we do. What I *am* enthusiastic about is how quickly publican allows people to hit the ground running, especially those who are new to DocBook and their tool chains. If I had to prognosticate at this point, I'd say that in two years' time, we'll have taken the best pieces of publican and the current tool chain and welded them together. -Jared From jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net Fri Feb 22 15:40:42 2008 From: jaredsmith at jaredsmith.net (Jared Smith) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:40:42 -0500 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 18:57 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I would love to be able to transfer to xml as in know how to transfer to > xml so I can actually work on the DuG. It's at the stage were it is edit > ready so the reason why there hasn't been any discussion is because I > have no idea of how to proceed from now. I'd be happy to help people transition docs from the Wiki to XML. But before I do another doc, I'd really like some feedback from the more experienced people on the team on the job I did with the Software Management Guide. Was everybody OK with the translation from wiki markup to DocBook? Is there something I missed? Please give me feedback! -Jared From nushio at fedoraproject.org Fri Feb 22 18:53:39 2008 From: nushio at fedoraproject.org (Juan Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:53:39 -0600 Subject: Publican and Other Langs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been able to contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while it can create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving me issues. Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something wrong. What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book --name Test_Book. Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all of them except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or invalid warning: charset conversion will not work msgfmt: found 1 fatal error And Test_Book.po is completely blank. What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, where? Thanks for your time -Nushio -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Feb 22 22:58:10 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:58:10 -0800 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <1203721090.26506.386.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 10:40 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 18:57 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I would love to be able to transfer to xml as in know how to transfer to > > xml so I can actually work on the DuG. It's at the stage were it is edit > > ready so the reason why there hasn't been any discussion is because I > > have no idea of how to proceed from now. Likely we should do one Big Edit in the wiki, for style and grammar and such. Can one of the DuG people make a wiki page with: Chapter :: Status :: Editor ... then those of us who want to/can edit put your names by some chapters and proceed to edit in the wiki. Edit goals are: * Wordsmith * Stylesmith * Formatting consistency and choices for XML conversion > I'd be happy to help people transition docs from the Wiki to XML. But > before I do another doc, I'd really like some feedback from the more > experienced people on the team on the job I did with the Software > Management Guide. Was everybody OK with the translation from wiki > markup to DocBook? Is there something I missed? Please give me > feedback! Know what I've been waiting for? The CVS module and bugzilla component. Let's commit into CVS, then I can check it out, do edits and comments, and it's all in the record, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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It's at the stage were it is edit > > > ready so the reason why there hasn't been any discussion is because I > > > have no idea of how to proceed from now. > > Likely we should do one Big Edit in the wiki, for style and grammar and > such. > > Can one of the DuG people make a wiki page with: > > Chapter :: Status :: Editor > > ... then those of us who want to/can edit put your names by some > chapters and proceed to edit in the wiki. Edit goals are: > > * Wordsmith > * Stylesmith > * Formatting consistency and choices for XML conversion Should we just add it to the toc page so that at least it's a central location and linked? If so I can do that later this afternoon. Is there a place where the style and format consistency is located across the docs? I would be more than happy to help do that but I will have to pass for the wordsmith since that is my worst talent. I sucked at it in high school....... Cheers, Marc From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 23 09:15:11 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:15:11 -0800 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203722914.4301.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203721090.26506.386.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1203722914.4301.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1203758111.19997.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 08:28 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 14:58 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Chapter :: Status :: Editor > > > > ... then those of us who want to/can edit put your names by some > > chapters and proceed to edit in the wiki. Edit goals are: > > > > * Wordsmith > > * Stylesmith > > * Formatting consistency and choices for XML conversion > > Should we just add it to the toc page so that at least it's a central > location and linked? If so I can do that later this afternoon. Sure; I just want to be able to clearly take responsibility for a part of it, and then I can do it. :) > Is there a place where the style and format consistency is located > across the docs? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Writing_Example_Commands This can all be derived from this workflow: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation > I would be more than happy to help do that but I will have to pass for > the wordsmith since that is my worst talent. I sucked at it in high > school....... Happy to do that part, I'm a fair editor; at least I'm consistent. :) - Karsten, Editor-in-Chief of his HS newspaper -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Feb 23 09:26:16 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:26:16 -0800 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203694473.3842.28.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1203694473.3842.28.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> Message-ID: <1203758776.19997.42.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 10:34 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 17:30 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > While all this toolchain talk is in the air ... > > > > We've got several major activities going on that are relying upon our > > current-and-working toolchain: > > Just to be clear... I'm *not* pushing for a change to a new toolchain > before F9. I think it would be awfully rash of us to do so at this > point in the game. > > I also don't want anybody to mistake my enthusiasm for publican as > somehow knocking the current tool chain. I'll be the first to admit > that I don't know the current tool chain very well. Additionally, I > don't think we've tested publican enough (as far as the translations go, > especially) to know whether or not it's a good fit for what we do. What > I *am* enthusiastic about is how quickly publican allows people to hit > the ground running, especially those who are new to DocBook and their > tool chains. Clearly, the interest in publican and it's (apparent) ease to get started with an XML book is a feature we've been missing in the Fedora Docs toolchain. Honestly, though, we have been pursuing the higher gain. Across open source projects, the wiki is where the developers and other contributors do their community documentation. When we focused exclusively on XML, we had very interested or enabled contributors. Some years back I spoke with the Mozilla Dev documentation folks, who had then changed from DocBook XML to a fully wiki-based system: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Main_Page Switching to the wiki, they saw 10x increase from developers, even the ones who knew DocBook well enough. In addition, many new contributors came in to help, which increased the editorial and content group. It's unclear to me how much these features of publican matter to Fedora Docs. For example, the people who have dropped by #fedora-docs looking for publican help seem to be working on their own content. While maintaining tools that allow the creation of free content is a part of the Docs charter, it's definitely a lower priority than enabling Fedora contributors to create content for Fedora. Right now that means helping to maintain the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening > If I had to prognosticate at this point, I'd say that in two years' > time, we'll have taken the best pieces of publican and the current tool > chain and welded them together. An open community development from this point forward is definitely to be desired. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Feb 24 22:49:04 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:49:04 +0900 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203758111.19997.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203721090.26506.386.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1203722914.4301.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1203758111.19997.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1203893344.32698.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 01:15 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 08:28 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 14:58 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > Chapter :: Status :: Editor > > > > > > ... then those of us who want to/can edit put your names by some > > > chapters and proceed to edit in the wiki. Edit goals are: > > > > > > * Wordsmith > > > * Stylesmith > > > * Formatting consistency and choices for XML conversion > > > > Should we just add it to the toc page so that at least it's a central > > location and linked? If so I can do that later this afternoon. > > Sure; I just want to be able to clearly take responsibility for a part > of it, and then I can do it. :) > > > Is there a place where the style and format consistency is located > > across the docs? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Writing_Example_Commands > > This can all be derived from this workflow: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation > > > I would be more than happy to help do that but I will have to pass for > > the wordsmith since that is my worst talent. I sucked at it in high > > school....... > > Happy to do that part, I'm a fair editor; at least I'm consistent. :) > > - Karsten, Editor-in-Chief of his HS newspaper Done the layout. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide#preview I'll start labeling the sections when I get home from work. I'll also start editing the sections if anyone else wants to start go for it. Table format seems to be the neatest. Cheers, Marc From mark at klomp.org Mon Feb 25 10:48:21 2008 From: mark at klomp.org (Mark Wielaard) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:48:21 +0100 Subject: Publican question In-Reply-To: <1203647536.26506.219.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1203346031.2697.115.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203367404.2697.138.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <47BA1355.1090205@redhat.com> <1203421426.5693.133.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BCC37E.9060905@redhat.com> <1203602701.10263.48.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203647536.26506.219.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1203936501.4738.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi Karsten, On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 18:32 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 09:05 -0500, Jared Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 10:19 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > > > I came up with a way that can support an arbitrary number of config files :) > > > > > > I have some patches in place to try and get FOP 0.94 working, however > > > it's proving to be a pain to get working. Still plugging away on that. > > > > OK, let me know if I can be of any help, as I currently have FOP 0.94 > > working just fine with Publican in Rawhide, with the exception of > > support for SVG graphics. I still haven't got that sorted out yet. > > IIRC, Batik originally had some dependencies for graphics processing > that couldn't be cleanly included under IcedTea. It may not yet be able > to process SVG? > > I think Mark (Cc:'d) might be able to shed some light on this. Everything needed for FOP graphics should work now, but I don't have any experience with it myself. I have CCed Tom Fitzsimmons who does know the details. And was just yesterday raving about an openoffice SVG plugin written in java that people should package for Fedora that worked with IcedTea now. Cheers, Mark From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Feb 25 13:25:13 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:25:13 +0900 Subject: toolchain for F9 In-Reply-To: <1203758111.19997.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1203643848.26506.202.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47BE9CA0.50902@mwiriadi.id.au> <1203694842.3842.31.camel@hockey.jaredsmith.net> <1203721090.26506.386.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1203722914.4301.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1203758111.19997.31.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1203945913.32698.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 01:15 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Sat, 2008-02-23 at 08:28 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 14:58 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > Chapter :: Status :: Editor > > > > > > ... then those of us who want to/can edit put your names by some > > > chapters and proceed to edit in the wiki. Edit goals are: > > > > > > * Wordsmith > > > * Stylesmith > > > * Formatting consistency and choices for XML conversion > > > > Should we just add it to the toc page so that at least it's a central > > location and linked? If so I can do that later this afternoon. > > Sure; I just want to be able to clearly take responsibility for a part > of it, and then I can do it. :) > > > Is there a place where the style and format consistency is located > > across the docs? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Writing_Example_Commands > > This can all be derived from this workflow: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikiPublicationMethodforFormalDocumentation > > > I would be more than happy to help do that but I will have to pass for > > the wordsmith since that is my worst talent. I sucked at it in high > > school....... > > Happy to do that part, I'm a fair editor; at least I'm consistent. :) > > - Karsten, Editor-in-Chief of his HS newspaper I've edited a few sections. I'll work on it some more. Cheers, Marc From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:20:00 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:20:00 +0100 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password Message-ID: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without-password/ Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 25 23:27:50 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 04:57:50 +0530 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without-password/ IIRC you already have access to the wiki and could do this yourself. Note that Packagekit already provides a better solution with integration via PolicyKit which allows different authentication methods. Rahul From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Feb 25 23:35:51 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 00:35:51 +0100 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password In-Reply-To: <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300802251535p67ffcb86o555bd45a7b380646@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Valent Turkovic wrote: > > If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki > > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without-password/ > > IIRC you already have access to the wiki and could do this yourself. > Note that Packagekit already provides a better solution with integration > via PolicyKit which allows different authentication methods. > > Rahul I would like to be sure that this is ok to be put on wiki, and to get some eyeballs if I made some terrible mistake :) Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Feb 25 23:45:24 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 05:15:24 +0530 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password In-Reply-To: <64b14b300802251535p67ffcb86o555bd45a7b380646@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300802251535p67ffcb86o555bd45a7b380646@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C35314.6020201@fedoraproject.org> Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: >> Valent Turkovic wrote: >> > If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki >> > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without-password/ >> >> IIRC you already have access to the wiki and could do this yourself. >> Note that Packagekit already provides a better solution with integration >> via PolicyKit which allows different authentication methods. >> >> Rahul > > I would like to be sure that this is ok to be put on wiki, and to get > some eyeballs if I made some terrible mistake :) Put in the drafts section at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts and everybody can review and edit if necessary. Rahul From eric at christensenplace.us Tue Feb 26 02:52:44 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:52:44 -0500 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password In-Reply-To: <47C35314.6020201@fedoraproject.org> References: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300802251535p67ffcb86o555bd45a7b380646@mail.gmail.com> <47C35314.6020201@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47C37EFC.9090803@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Should this go in the Software Management Guide [1]? I have a spot in there for PackageKit (which I really need to work on). The SMG should be getting ready to be published in the final documentation but if this needs to be added lets get it done early vice later. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide Rahul Sundaram wrote: | Valent Turkovic wrote: |> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Rahul Sundaram |> wrote: |>> Valent Turkovic wrote: |>> > If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki |>> > |>> http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without-password/ |>> |>> |>> IIRC you already have access to the wiki and could do this yourself. |>> Note that Packagekit already provides a better solution with |>> integration |>> via PolicyKit which allows different authentication methods. |>> |>> Rahul |> |> I would like to be sure that this is ok to be put on wiki, and to get |> some eyeballs if I made some terrible mistake :) | | Put in the drafts section at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts | and everybody can review and edit if necessary. | | Rahul | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHw376L5V8yddJCO0RAgi4AJ47U4T62iZaLnYD9FsD294CjSZdcQCfUcUU QCCcG/4GwzBPPVIJcCBRRHs= =e1mk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Feb 26 03:33:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 09:03:26 +0530 Subject: Howto: Fedora updates without password In-Reply-To: <47C37EFC.9090803@christensenplace.us> References: <64b14b300802251520s73938653o41389f955a686e42@mail.gmail.com> <47C34EF6.10607@fedoraproject.org> <64b14b300802251535p67ffcb86o555bd45a7b380646@mail.gmail.com> <47C35314.6020201@fedoraproject.org> <47C37EFC.9090803@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <47C38886.20404@fedoraproject.org> Eric Christensen wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Should this go in the Software Management Guide [1]? I have a spot in > there for PackageKit (which I really need to work on). The SMG should > be getting ready to be published in the final documentation but if this > needs to be added lets get it done early vice later. > > Eric > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide > That would really depend on atleast two things a) audience - are you aiming for new users or more technical audience too? b) Which version of Fedora are you targeting? Rahul From kwade at redhat.com Wed Feb 27 02:47:19 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:47:19 -0800 Subject: sick and unable to make FDSCo meeting Message-ID: <1204080439.19997.210.camel@calliope.phig.org> Been in bed with a gnarly flu all day, based on that I doubt I'll be in any shape to meet on IRC tomorrow. Can you all take over, run the meeting, and complete our Vice Chair stuff? I'll drop by if I'm awake and able. - Karsten "uggh" -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 07:50:01 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:50:01 +0300 Subject: sick and unable to make FDSCo meeting In-Reply-To: <1204080902.24915.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204080439.19997.210.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1204080902.24915.44.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802262350w28ba650icf0655b86e7ba065@mail.gmail.com> > On Tue, 2008-02-26 at 18:47 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Been in bed with a gnarly flu all day, based on that I doubt I'll be in > > any shape to meet on IRC tomorrow. Can you all take over, run the > > meeting, and complete our Vice Chair stuff? I'll drop by if I'm awake > > and able. > Karsten: Get well soon and I can cover for Paul if he's stuck in realspace. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I have to attend another realspace meeting tomorrow at the same time -- > just this once -- but will try to participate if I can. > Paul: I can cover for you this week. Karsten / Paul: Any agenda items you would definitely like discussed (perhaps the impending betz freeze, for instance)? Best Regards. John Babich Member, FDSCo, and, more importantly, Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 13:48:20 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:48:20 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting - 2008-Feb-27 1900 hrs UTC Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802270548o13067b67xc2cf1039b7bdcbdf@mail.gmail.com> = FDSCo Meeting Reminder = The Fedora Documentation Steering Committe is holding its weekly IRC meeting today. As always, all members of the Fedora Project are welcome to participate. == Meeting Details == * Date: Wednesday, 27 February, 2008 * Time: 1900 Hrs UTC * Location: #fedora-meeting on freenode Meeting Agenda: See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings. Past Meeting Minutes: See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Minutes. For more information and to discuss any of the agenda items, be sure to click on the links to read the threads on the fedora-docs-list at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list. Best Regards, John Babich Member, Fedora Docs Steering Commitee From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 18:02:24 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 21:02:24 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-27 IRC log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0802281002g17a91967m823962c6945707a6@mail.gmail.com> Feb 27 22:13:58 Feb 27 22:14:19 Welcome to the Fedora Docs Meeting Feb 27 22:14:26 Roll Call Feb 27 22:14:30 John Babich Feb 27 22:15:00 Bart Couvreur Feb 27 22:15:22 Dimitris Glezos Feb 27 22:16:38 stickster, quaid, BobJensen: ping Feb 27 22:17:11 quaid gave his apology earlier - he's not feeling well... Feb 27 22:17:32 stickster may join us later...he has a meeting Feb 27 22:17:54 * jsmith (n=jsmith at 72.21.36.138) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:17:58 BobJensen's taking care of family business... Feb 27 22:18:10 jsmith: ping Feb 27 22:18:34 * jsmith is here Feb 27 22:18:54 OK, please see the agenda at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings Feb 27 22:19:42 Item #1: Any update on one-page summary? Feb 27 22:20:19 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Feb 27 22:20:22 JonRob asked about it on the marketing-list Feb 27 22:21:14 will be a part of the markteting meeting this week, afaik Feb 27 22:22:42 couf: I can't find the reference, but I'll take your word on it Feb 27 22:23:26 ow, hang on Feb 27 22:23:43 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00433.html Feb 27 22:23:53 couf: thanks Feb 27 22:24:33 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at p54B113A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:24:44 I'm in favor of letting marketing do the first write-ups and we go in after to do some wordsmithing etc Feb 27 22:25:27 +1 Feb 27 22:25:57 Any other comments on item #1? Feb 27 22:26:17 Hey I am Here Feb 27 22:26:31 EvilBob: welcome Feb 27 22:27:01 OK, how about item #2 - update on active content - Release notes? Feb 27 22:27:48 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:27:52 Ties in with beta freeze, I would imagine Feb 27 22:28:12 * stickster is now known as stickster_afk Feb 27 22:28:34 So, moving on...DUG / AG / SMG Feb 27 22:29:06 IG: I have no updates this week, I have been learning emacs and vi trying to find an editor before I start digging in Feb 27 22:29:31 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:29:32 EvilBob: OK Feb 27 22:29:52 same here: no updates Feb 27 22:30:31 DUG: No update - I'm ready to attempt Publican to do some DocBook conversion, after some editing Feb 27 22:31:00 OK, crypto? Feb 27 22:31:34 Last I heard on crypto, Sparks was still working on it in the wiki Feb 27 22:31:43 * cdehaan (n=Cody at urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:31:54 jmbuser: I'm happy to help with DocBook conversion on DUG, fwiw Feb 27 22:32:39 jsmith: Thanks, as long as I can take part in it, because I need to improve my skills at DocBook Feb 27 22:33:06 jmbuser: Absolutely! I'll just play the role as mentor, answering questions as you get stuck Feb 27 22:33:23 jsmith: Thanks Feb 27 22:33:37 * fabian_a (n=fabian at 84-75-160-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:33:38 Moving on - ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion beat Feb 27 22:34:35 To do this week, BobJensen needs to get an email out for Beats content Feb 27 22:35:40 I saw some blogging on it Feb 27 22:35:59 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:36:04 Yeah I am going to start blogging this week Feb 27 22:36:48 EvilBob: excellent Feb 27 22:37:24 Set Chair/Leader - should we tackle this now or wait on it? Feb 27 22:37:35 * smooge has quit ("-ENOCAFFEINE") Feb 27 22:37:52 vice chair Feb 27 22:37:55 jmbuser: Before we jump to that, can we mention SMG? Feb 27 22:38:01 * smooge (n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:38:03 jsmith: yes Feb 27 22:38:12 jsmith: +1 Feb 27 22:38:19 I'm still waiting on feedback on the SMG transition from Wiki to CVS Feb 27 22:38:27 * smooge has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 27 22:38:35 * DanseMakabre (i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:38:43 (technically, it should be in good shape... it could use some wordsmithing in a few places, but the docbook should be pretty solid) Feb 27 22:39:06 I was hoping to get some of the more experienced members of the team to make sure I haven't totally screwed up Feb 27 22:39:18 * jsmith is still new here, and doesn't want to assume he's doing it right Feb 27 22:39:28 jsmith: I can review it for typos, style, etc. if you like Feb 27 22:40:00 jmbuser: OK, that would be great. Feb 27 22:40:12 I'll try to get quaid or stickster to review the DocBook Feb 27 22:40:20 That's all I had ;-) Feb 27 22:40:45 jsmith: Are you familiar with the CVS procedures? Feb 27 22:40:48 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.") Feb 27 22:42:38 * cdehaan (n=Cody at urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:42:38 jmbuser: Yes Feb 27 22:42:48 jsmith: good Feb 27 22:42:55 jmbuser: I've already done the conversion to DocBook and checked the changes into CVS Feb 27 22:43:05 jmbuser: (in the yum-management-guide module) Feb 27 22:43:15 jsmith: good++ Feb 27 22:43:34 What I'm not super-familiar with is the tool chain Feb 27 22:43:50 (and nuances of various DocBook tags and how you guys use them) Feb 27 22:44:04 But yes, I'm very familiar with CVS and DocBook in general Feb 27 22:44:39 Leadership? Feb 27 22:44:43 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:44:55 jmbuser: I'm not an expert, but I'm a little familiar with the tags - po files are another story Feb 27 22:45:08 EvilBob: Since you mentioned it... Feb 27 22:45:09 Do we have enough here for quorum? Feb 27 22:45:30 Let's see - roll call time again Feb 27 22:45:36 John babich Feb 27 22:45:45 couf glezos jmbuser BobJensen jsmith Feb 27 22:45:53 * cebbert (n=cebbert at nat/redhat/x-5f0c21f2d3bf45b4) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:45:58 Jared Smith Feb 27 22:46:00 that should be 5 enough for a confirmation Feb 27 22:46:03 Bob Jensen Feb 27 22:46:33 did we lose glezos and couf Feb 27 22:46:49 glezos: ping Feb 27 22:46:51 EvilBob: I'm here Feb 27 22:46:57 couf: ping Feb 27 22:47:00 +1 for converting Feb 27 22:47:20 pong, wifi dropped a bit Feb 27 22:48:05 It looks like a quorum... Feb 27 22:48:11 I would like to motion for a vote confirming jmbuser as our new Vice Chair/Future leader Feb 27 22:48:21 * smooge (n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:48:57 I second the motion Feb 27 22:49:12 +1 Feb 27 22:49:41 All those in favor of John Babich leading the prject in the future please respond with a +1 Feb 27 22:49:44 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:49:45 +1 Feb 27 22:49:49 +1 Feb 27 22:49:52 (abstains) Feb 27 22:49:55 um Feb 27 22:50:01 what does "in the future" mean? :) Feb 27 22:50:18 glezos: 6 onths as vice chair, learning the ropes Feb 27 22:50:37 glezos: then a 1 year term as chair Feb 27 22:50:52 glezos: the last 6 months training the next chair Feb 27 22:51:09 EvilBob: maybe we might want to have quaid and stickster around for such a vote? Feb 27 22:51:18 I think it should clear that assumes continued involvement and re-election Feb 27 22:51:21 glezos: they are in agreement Feb 27 22:51:33 FWIW, I think it's great to have jmbuser for VC :) Feb 27 22:52:03 If I really screw up, you can kick me out :-) Feb 27 22:52:04 +1 then Feb 27 22:52:28 jsmith: do you care to vote? Feb 27 22:52:45 Obviously, since I seconded the motion Feb 27 22:52:47 +1 Feb 27 22:52:54 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:53:08 we have the required 4 + votes to confirm Feb 27 22:53:20 jmbuser: Congrats Feb 27 22:53:47 jmbuser: I'm sure you'll do well, the work you've done so far is fantastic Feb 27 22:53:54 * jsmith pats jmbuser on the back Feb 27 22:54:07 congrats jmbuser Feb 27 22:54:31 Thanks - I really appreciate the confidence you guys have in me - I hope to continue to live up to it Feb 27 22:54:54 It's always a team effort Feb 27 22:55:02 I have to bug out at this point, Mom is getting annoyed Feb 27 22:55:10 Thanks EvilBob Feb 27 22:55:26 EvilBob: see you later, thanks Feb 27 22:57:29 Referring back to the agenda, any more thoughts on Publican? Feb 27 22:57:55 I'm still happy to show people how to get started, but I'm still just scratching the surface Feb 27 22:58:05 I've done three or four different docs in it now Feb 27 22:58:16 and even figured out how to get PDFs out of it (mostly) Feb 27 22:58:24 jmbuser: good job Feb 27 22:59:22 glezos: thanks Feb 27 22:59:35 jsmith: I saw you were quoted in the Red Hat Magazine article... Feb 27 23:00:32 jmbuser: Yeah... stickster has been dropping my name again, like I'm some sort of rock star Feb 27 23:00:37 * jsmith isn't all that and a bag of chips Feb 27 23:01:00 * dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2_BOS Feb 27 23:02:02 * buggbot has quit (Broken pipe) Feb 27 23:02:13 * buggbot (n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 23:02:19 glezos: How about Publican - Does it fit in well with Transiifex? Feb 27 23:03:00 s / Transiifex / Transifex / Feb 27 23:03:02 * schlobinux_ (n=xavierb at AGrenoble-257-1-124-251.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 27 23:04:56 If nothing else, any other business before we close? Feb 27 23:05:26 not from me Feb 27 23:06:14 OK, the countdown begins... Feb 27 23:06:18 10 Feb 27 23:06:39 9 Feb 27 23:06:41 8 Feb 27 23:06:46 7 Feb 27 23:06:51 6 Feb 27 23:06:57 5 Feb 27 23:07:01 4 Feb 27 23:07:05 III Feb 27 23:07:08 II Feb 27 23:07:33 I Feb 27 23:07:47 0 Feb 27 23:07:47 From vnk at mkc.co.nz Thu Feb 28 19:22:51 2008 From: vnk at mkc.co.nz (Vladimir Kosovac) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:22:51 +1300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-27 IRC log In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0802281002g17a91967m823962c6945707a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0802281002g17a91967m823962c6945707a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47C70A0B.5040108@mkc.co.nz> Hi all. Re AG update - I've been out of any action on AGBeta for the last few weeks, due to work related travel. And lots of work. Missed the March deadline for XML conversion but will do more over the coming weekend. There isn't much left but since I'm the only one writing this stuff, might not be complete for another week or two. Cheers, Vladimir John Babich wrote: > Feb 27 22:13:58 > Feb 27 22:14:19 Welcome to the Fedora Docs Meeting > Feb 27 22:14:26 Roll Call > Feb 27 22:14:30 John Babich > Feb 27 22:15:00 Bart Couvreur > Feb 27 22:15:22 Dimitris Glezos > Feb 27 22:16:38 stickster, quaid, BobJensen: ping > Feb 27 22:17:11 quaid gave his apology earlier - he's not > feeling well... > Feb 27 22:17:32 stickster may join us later...he has a meeting > Feb 27 22:17:54 * jsmith (n=jsmith at 72.21.36.138) has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:17:58 BobJensen's taking care of family business... > Feb 27 22:18:10 jsmith: ping > Feb 27 22:18:34 * jsmith is here > Feb 27 22:18:54 OK, please see the agenda at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings > Feb 27 22:19:42 Item #1: Any update on one-page summary? > Feb 27 22:20:19 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") > Feb 27 22:20:22 JonRob asked about it on the marketing-list > Feb 27 22:21:14 will be a part of the markteting meeting this week, afaik > Feb 27 22:22:42 couf: I can't find the reference, but I'll > take your word on it > Feb 27 22:23:26 ow, hang on > Feb 27 22:23:43 > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg00433.html > Feb 27 22:23:53 couf: thanks > Feb 27 22:24:33 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at p54B113A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) > has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:24:44 I'm in favor of letting marketing do the first > write-ups and we go in after to do some wordsmithing etc > Feb 27 22:25:27 +1 > Feb 27 22:25:57 Any other comments on item #1? > Feb 27 22:26:17 Hey I am Here > Feb 27 22:26:31 EvilBob: welcome > Feb 27 22:27:01 OK, how about item #2 - update on active > content - Release notes? > Feb 27 22:27:48 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) > Feb 27 22:27:52 Ties in with beta freeze, I would imagine > Feb 27 22:28:12 * stickster is now known as stickster_afk > Feb 27 22:28:34 So, moving on...DUG / AG / SMG > Feb 27 22:29:06 IG: I have no updates this week, I have been > learning emacs and vi trying to find an editor before I start digging > in > Feb 27 22:29:31 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:29:32 EvilBob: OK > Feb 27 22:29:52 same here: no updates > Feb 27 22:30:31 DUG: No update - I'm ready to attempt > Publican to do some DocBook conversion, after some editing > Feb 27 22:31:00 OK, crypto? > Feb 27 22:31:34 Last I heard on crypto, Sparks was still > working on it in the wiki > Feb 27 22:31:43 * cdehaan > (n=Cody at urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has > joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:31:54 jmbuser: I'm happy to help with DocBook > conversion on DUG, fwiw > Feb 27 22:32:39 jsmith: Thanks, as long as I can take part > in it, because I need to improve my skills at DocBook > Feb 27 22:33:06 jmbuser: Absolutely! I'll just play the role > as mentor, answering questions as you get stuck > Feb 27 22:33:23 jsmith: Thanks > Feb 27 22:33:37 * fabian_a (n=fabian at 84-75-160-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) > has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:33:38 Moving on - ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion beat > Feb 27 22:34:35 To do this week, BobJensen needs to get an > email out for Beats content > Feb 27 22:35:40 I saw some blogging on it > Feb 27 22:35:59 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) > Feb 27 22:36:04 Yeah I am going to start blogging this week > Feb 27 22:36:48 EvilBob: excellent > Feb 27 22:37:24 Set Chair/Leader - should we tackle this now > or wait on it? > Feb 27 22:37:35 * smooge has quit ("-ENOCAFFEINE") > Feb 27 22:37:52 vice chair > Feb 27 22:37:55 jmbuser: Before we jump to that, can we mention SMG? > Feb 27 22:38:01 * smooge (n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:38:03 jsmith: yes > Feb 27 22:38:12 jsmith: +1 > Feb 27 22:38:19 I'm still waiting on feedback on the SMG > transition from Wiki to CVS > Feb 27 22:38:27 * smooge has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) > Feb 27 22:38:35 * DanseMakabre (i=pat at bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined > #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:38:43 (technically, it should be in good shape... > it could use some wordsmithing in a few places, but the docbook should > be pretty solid) > Feb 27 22:39:06 I was hoping to get some of the more > experienced members of the team to make sure I haven't totally screwed > up > Feb 27 22:39:18 * jsmith is still new here, and doesn't want to assume > he's doing it right > Feb 27 22:39:28 jsmith: I can review it for typos, style, > etc. if you like > Feb 27 22:40:00 jmbuser: OK, that would be great. > Feb 27 22:40:12 I'll try to get quaid or stickster to review > the DocBook > Feb 27 22:40:20 That's all I had ;-) > Feb 27 22:40:45 jsmith: Are you familiar with the CVS procedures? > Feb 27 22:40:48 * wolfy (n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy) has left > #fedora-meeting ("It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the > sudden stop at the end.") > Feb 27 22:42:38 * cdehaan > (n=Cody at urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has > joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:42:38 jmbuser: Yes > Feb 27 22:42:48 jsmith: good > Feb 27 22:42:55 jmbuser: I've already done the conversion to > DocBook and checked the changes into CVS > Feb 27 22:43:05 jmbuser: (in the yum-management-guide module) > Feb 27 22:43:15 jsmith: good++ > Feb 27 22:43:34 What I'm not super-familiar with is the tool chain > Feb 27 22:43:50 (and nuances of various DocBook tags and how > you guys use them) > Feb 27 22:44:04 But yes, I'm very familiar with CVS and > DocBook in general > Feb 27 22:44:39 Leadership? > Feb 27 22:44:43 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) > Feb 27 22:44:55 jmbuser: I'm not an expert, but I'm a little > familiar with the tags - po files are another story > Feb 27 22:45:08 EvilBob: Since you mentioned it... > Feb 27 22:45:09 Do we have enough here for quorum? > Feb 27 22:45:30 Let's see - roll call time again > Feb 27 22:45:36 John babich > Feb 27 22:45:45 couf glezos jmbuser BobJensen jsmith > Feb 27 22:45:53 * cebbert (n=cebbert at nat/redhat/x-5f0c21f2d3bf45b4) > has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:45:58 Jared Smith > Feb 27 22:46:00 that should be 5 enough for a confirmation > Feb 27 22:46:03 Bob Jensen > Feb 27 22:46:33 did we lose glezos and couf > Feb 27 22:46:49 glezos: ping > Feb 27 22:46:51 EvilBob: I'm here > Feb 27 22:46:57 couf: ping > Feb 27 22:47:00 +1 for converting > Feb 27 22:47:20 pong, wifi dropped a bit > Feb 27 22:48:05 It looks like a quorum... > Feb 27 22:48:11 I would like to motion for a vote confirming > jmbuser as our new Vice Chair/Future leader > Feb 27 22:48:21 * smooge (n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:48:57 I second the motion > Feb 27 22:49:12 +1 > Feb 27 22:49:41 All those in favor of John Babich leading > the prject in the future please respond with a +1 > Feb 27 22:49:44 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt) has joined > #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 22:49:45 +1 > Feb 27 22:49:49 +1 > Feb 27 22:49:52 (abstains) > Feb 27 22:49:55 um > Feb 27 22:50:01 what does "in the future" mean? :) > Feb 27 22:50:18 glezos: 6 onths as vice chair, learning the ropes > Feb 27 22:50:37 glezos: then a 1 year term as chair > Feb 27 22:50:52 glezos: the last 6 months training the next chair > Feb 27 22:51:09 EvilBob: maybe we might want to have quaid > and stickster around for such a vote? > Feb 27 22:51:18 I think it should clear that assumes > continued involvement and re-election > Feb 27 22:51:21 glezos: they are in agreement > Feb 27 22:51:33 FWIW, I think it's great to have jmbuser for VC :) > Feb 27 22:52:03 If I really screw up, you can kick me out :-) > Feb 27 22:52:04 +1 then > Feb 27 22:52:28 jsmith: do you care to vote? > Feb 27 22:52:45 Obviously, since I seconded the motion > Feb 27 22:52:47 +1 > Feb 27 22:52:54 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) > Feb 27 22:53:08 we have the required 4 + votes to confirm > Feb 27 22:53:20 jmbuser: Congrats > Feb 27 22:53:47 jmbuser: I'm sure you'll do well, the work > you've done so far is fantastic > Feb 27 22:53:54 * jsmith pats jmbuser on the back > Feb 27 22:54:07 congrats jmbuser > Feb 27 22:54:31 Thanks - I really appreciate the confidence > you guys have in me - I hope to continue to live up to it > Feb 27 22:54:54 It's always a team effort > Feb 27 22:55:02 I have to bug out at this point, Mom is > getting annoyed > Feb 27 22:55:10 Thanks EvilBob > Feb 27 22:55:26 EvilBob: see you later, thanks > Feb 27 22:57:29 Referring back to the agenda, any more > thoughts on Publican? > Feb 27 22:57:55 I'm still happy to show people how to get > started, but I'm still just scratching the surface > Feb 27 22:58:05 I've done three or four different docs in it now > Feb 27 22:58:16 and even figured out how to get PDFs out of it (mostly) > Feb 27 22:58:24 jmbuser: good job > Feb 27 22:59:22 glezos: thanks > Feb 27 22:59:35 jsmith: I saw you were quoted in the Red Hat > Magazine article... > Feb 27 23:00:32 jmbuser: Yeah... stickster has been dropping > my name again, like I'm some sort of rock star > Feb 27 23:00:37 * jsmith isn't all that and a bag of chips > Feb 27 23:01:00 * dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2_BOS > Feb 27 23:02:02 * buggbot has quit (Broken pipe) > Feb 27 23:02:13 * buggbot (n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org) has joined > #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 23:02:19 glezos: How about Publican - Does it fit in > well with Transiifex? > Feb 27 23:03:00 s / Transiifex / Transifex / > Feb 27 23:03:02 * schlobinux_ > (n=xavierb at AGrenoble-257-1-124-251.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left > #fedora-meeting > Feb 27 23:04:56 If nothing else, any other business before we close? > Feb 27 23:05:26 not from me > Feb 27 23:06:14 OK, the countdown begins... > Feb 27 23:06:18 10 > Feb 27 23:06:39 9 > Feb 27 23:06:41 8 > Feb 27 23:06:46 7 > Feb 27 23:06:51 6 > Feb 27 23:06:57 5 > Feb 27 23:07:01 4 > Feb 27 23:07:05 III > Feb 27 23:07:08 II > Feb 27 23:07:33 I > Feb 27 23:07:47 0 > Feb 27 23:07:47 > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Feb 29 02:26:11 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:26:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: Welcome Email Message-ID: Hey docs people! I'm working on FAS2, its getting real close. I was wondering if someone would draft up what they want the welcome email to say when people sign up for an account for the first time. Something to encourage them and help them through the process of what to do after the cla is signed. Joining the Fedora Project is like walking into IKEA the first time. Lets try to ease that :) -Mike From kevin.kofler at chello.at Fri Feb 29 06:42:46 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Release note beats for F9? Message-ID: When will http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats start targeting F9? According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule the beats for the preview/RC release are supposed to be complete March 16, but currently they're still targeting F8. I also don't see any schedule entry at the aforementioned URL about when the beats will start targeting F9. Kevin Kofler From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Fri Feb 29 10:57:55 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:57:55 +0000 Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> On 29/02/2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > Hey docs people! I'm working on FAS2, its getting real close. I was > wondering if someone would draft up what they want the welcome email to > say when people sign up for an account for the first time. Something to > encourage them and help them through the process of what to do after the > cla is signed. > > Joining the Fedora Project is like walking into IKEA the first time. Lets > try to ease that :) Urm...this is maybe a bit longer than you had in mind? But you might like it: -------------------------- Welcome to the Fedora Project. Now that you've signed up for an account you're probably desperate to start contributing, and with that in mind we hope this e-mail might guide you in the right direction to make this process as easy as possible. Fedora is an exciting project with lots going on, and you can contribute in a huge number of ways, using all sorts of different skill sets. To find out about the different ways you can contribute to Fedora, you can visit our join page which provides more information about all the different roles we have available. http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora If you already know how you want to contribute to Fedora, and have found the group already working in the area you're interested in, then there are a few more steps for you to get going. Foremost amongst these is to sign up for the team or project's mailing list that you're interested in - and if you're interested in more than one group's work, feel free to sign up for as many mailing lists as you like! This is because mailing lists are where the majority of work gets organised and tasks assigned, so to stay in the loop be sure to keep up with the messages. Once this is done, it's probably wise to send a short introduction to the list letting them know what experience you have and how you'd like to help. From here, existing members of the team will help you to find your feet as a Fedora contributor. And finally, from all of us here at the Fedora Project, we're looking forward to working with you! ---------------------- Best wishes, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Feb 29 18:50:13 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:50:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 29/02/2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Hey docs people! I'm working on FAS2, its getting real close. I was > > wondering if someone would draft up what they want the welcome email to > > say when people sign up for an account for the first time. Something to > > encourage them and help them through the process of what to do after the > > cla is signed. > > > > Joining the Fedora Project is like walking into IKEA the first time. Lets > > try to ease that :) > > Urm...this is maybe a bit longer than you had in mind? But you might like it: > Thanks, added :) -Mike