From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 01:06:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 01:06:33 +0000 Subject: Release note beats for F9? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 06:42 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote: > When will http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats start targeting F9? > According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule the beats for > the preview/RC release are supposed to be complete March 16, but currently > they're still targeting F8. I also don't see any schedule entry at the > aforementioned URL about when the beats will start targeting F9. Probably correct. In the past Karsten and I -- for the most part -- took care of organizing the Release Notes and the Installation Guide. Speaking in shame only for myself, I haven't spent much time on looking at Docs Project schedule adherence over the past month or so. The things that need to happen: * Check schedule to make sure it agrees with reality, since it was drafted some time ago. * Send additional messages to f-devel-l to get community members to write information on the wiki under Docs/Beats/* for their desired areas. * Update the DocsDict page as needed, and clear out old content in each Beat, while retaining the new, using the page's "Get Info" history as a clue on how to preserve data. * Find a responsible maintainer in the Docs community who will be accountable for Release Notes content conversion, tracking, and packaging. That person will need to make noise and get Docs contributors to assist as needed. I'll make myself available to help. Let's make sure that the Release Notes for F9 are another steady improvement just as in our previous releases! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 1 01:18:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:18:29 -0500 Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204334310.3921.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 10:57 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 29/02/2008, Mike McGrath wrote: > > Hey docs people! I'm working on FAS2, its getting real close. I was > > wondering if someone would draft up what they want the welcome email to > > say when people sign up for an account for the first time. Something to > > encourage them and help them through the process of what to do after the > > cla is signed. > > > > Joining the Fedora Project is like walking into IKEA the first time. Lets > > try to ease that :) > > Urm...this is maybe a bit longer than you had in mind? But you might like it: > > -------------------------- > > Welcome to the Fedora Project. Now that you've signed up for an > account you're probably desperate to start contributing, and with that > in mind we hope this e-mail might guide you in the right direction to > make this process as easy as possible. > > Fedora is an exciting project with lots going on, and you can > contribute in a huge number of ways, using all sorts of different > skill sets. To find out about the different ways you can contribute to > Fedora, you can visit our join page which provides more information > about all the different roles we have available. > > http://fedoraproject.org/en/join-fedora > > If you already know how you want to contribute to Fedora, and have > found the group already working in the area you're interested in, then > there are a few more steps for you to get going. > > Foremost amongst these is to sign up for the team or project's mailing > list that you're interested in - and if you're interested in more than > one group's work, feel free to sign up for as many mailing lists as > you like! This is because mailing lists are where the majority of work > gets organised and tasks assigned, so to stay in the loop be sure to > keep up with the messages. > > Once this is done, it's probably wise to send a short introduction to > the list letting them know what experience you have and how you'd like > to help. From here, existing members of the team will help you to find > your feet as a Fedora contributor. > > And finally, from all of us here at the Fedora Project, we're looking > forward to working with you! One question about this email. If someone's gone through the CLA process to get this email, haven't they already discovered this information -- as part of reading the Join process that got them to that step to begin with? Maybe we should be using this email to tell them about things like: * fedorapeople.org, directing them to the FAQ at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org * planet for bloggers, FAQ at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet * gobby for collaboration * other resources... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Mar 1 03:19:06 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:19:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: <1204334310.3921.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> <1204334310.3921.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > forward to working with you! > > One question about this email. If someone's gone through the CLA > process to get this email, haven't they already discovered this > information -- as part of reading the Join process that got them to that > step to begin with? > > Maybe we should be using this email to tell them about things like: > > * fedorapeople.org, directing them to the FAQ at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org > * planet for bloggers, FAQ at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet > * gobby for collaboration > * other resources... Actually this is pre-CLA. This is the email they first get and it includes their generated password, we use it as a way to verify the email address they've included. Perhaps a blurb about the CLA and why its important would be good. -Mike From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Sat Mar 1 09:57:53 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 09:57:53 +0000 Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: References: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> <1204334310.3921.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <3263b11b0803010157w907e89fk7d0ec7feda25e1e2@mail.gmail.com> > > * fedorapeople.org, directing them to the FAQ at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org > > * planet for bloggers, FAQ at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet > > * gobby for collaboration > > * other resources... > > > Actually this is pre-CLA. This is the email they first get and it > includes their generated password, we use it as a way to verify the email > address they've included. > > Perhaps a blurb about the CLA and why its important would be good. OK, attempt no. 2: ------------------ Welcome to the Fedora Project. Now that you've signed up for an account you're probably desperate to start contributing, and with that in mind we hope this e-mail might guide you in the right direction to make this process as easy as possible. If you already know how you want to contribute to Fedora, and have found the group already working in the area you're interested in, then there are a few more steps for you to get going. Foremost amongst these is to sign the Contributor License Agreement. This ensures that any work that is submitted to the project conforms with the ideas of free and open source software, protecting both your work and the project as a whole. It does not in anyway affect your rights to use your contributions for any other purposes, but it is a necessary step in joining. Next up is to sign up for the team or project's mailing list that you're interested in - and if you're interested in more than one group's work, feel free to sign up for as many mailing lists as you like! This is because mailing lists are where the majority of work gets organised and tasks assigned, so to stay in the loop be sure to keep up with the messages. Once this is done, it's probably wise to send a short introduction to the list letting them know what experience you have and how you'd like to help. From here, existing members of the team will help you to find your feet as a Fedora contributor. You might also be interested to note that, as a Fedora contributor there are a number of resources that you can take advantage of to aid your collaboration with other users: * fedorapeople.org is a personal space where contributors can upload files for sharing with the world. Perfect for specfiles, patches, images, personal repositories etc. You can find more information on the FAQ: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org * planet.fedoraproject.org is where we aggregate all contributor blogs. Even if you don't blog it's useful to follow the planet to get an inside look at what's happening in our community * and more...? I can't find info on gobby and my mind is blank! And finally, from all of us here at the Fedora Project, we're looking forward to working with you! ------------- Better/worse? Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Mar 1 19:46:12 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:46:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: Welcome Email In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803010157w907e89fk7d0ec7feda25e1e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0802290257h4cc9b587i7fb951f27b3b4ddd@mail.gmail.com> <1204334310.3921.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3263b11b0803010157w907e89fk7d0ec7feda25e1e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 1 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > * fedorapeople.org, directing them to the FAQ at > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org > > > * planet for bloggers, FAQ at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet > > > * gobby for collaboration > > > * other resources... > > > > > > Actually this is pre-CLA. This is the email they first get and it > > includes their generated password, we use it as a way to verify the email > > address they've included. > > > > > Perhaps a blurb about the CLA and why its important would be good. > > OK, attempt no. 2: > Side note about this, FAS2 has an online help system. Its all in one file and we're hoping it will be translated pretty easily. But we'd love updates from you guys for it to make as much sense as possible. We're still working on putting the items in there but once thats done I'll make sure to send the file to this list so anyone who might be inclined can turn it into proper english :) -Mike From rpjday at crashcourse.ca Tue Mar 4 14:41:04 2008 From: rpjday at crashcourse.ca (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:41:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: is there a centralized f9 docs page? Message-ID: is there a starting point if one wants to read the in-progress documentation for f9? at least, what there is of it? thanks. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry: Have classroom, will lecture. http://crashcourse.ca Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA ======================================================================== From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Tue Mar 4 16:47:43 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 16:47:43 +0000 Subject: is there a centralized f9 docs page? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3263b11b0803040847g724048d8lebda7222f7f8084c@mail.gmail.com> On 04/03/2008, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > is there a starting point if one wants to read the in-progress > documentation for f9? at least, what there is of it? thanks. Hi, you might want to check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Drafts Best wishes, Jon From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Mar 4 17:36:39 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 11:36:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: Wiki changes Message-ID: I'm making some more wiki tweaks today, if you're a regular wiki user please stop by #fedora-admin and let me know how its going. Basically I'm allowing more processes to run but for a shorter amount of time. This will cause the longer running threads to be killed much sooner and should free up resources for the normal day-to-day stuff that has been suffering over the last couple of weeks. I'm looking into why we've had more timeouts recently though I suspect its because the release is close, more people are editing and using the wiki. Please let me know what your experiences are with the wiki over the next couple of days. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 17:42:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 12:42:12 -0500 Subject: is there a centralized f9 docs page? In-Reply-To: <3263b11b0803040847g724048d8lebda7222f7f8084c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3263b11b0803040847g724048d8lebda7222f7f8084c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204652532.3345.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-04 at 16:47 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > On 04/03/2008, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > is there a starting point if one wants to read the in-progress > > documentation for f9? at least, what there is of it? thanks. > > Hi, > > you might want to check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Drafts Oops, I think you meant: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 4 23:29:31 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:29:31 +1000 Subject: Release note beats for F9? In-Reply-To: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803041529i74a215f9sa007c7fdc1f72c93@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 06:42 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > When will http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats start targeting F9? > > According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule the beats for > > the preview/RC release are supposed to be complete March 16, but currently > > they're still targeting F8. I also don't see any schedule entry at the > > aforementioned URL about when the beats will start targeting F9. > > Probably correct. In the past Karsten and I -- for the most part -- > took care of organizing the Release Notes and the Installation Guide. > Speaking in shame only for myself, I haven't spent much time on looking > at Docs Project schedule adherence over the past month or so. > > The things that need to happen: > > * Check schedule to make sure it agrees with reality, since it was > drafted some time ago. > > * Send additional messages to f-devel-l to get community members to > write information on the wiki under Docs/Beats/* for their desired > areas. > > * Update the DocsDict page as needed, and clear out old content in each > Beat, while retaining the new, using the page's "Get Info" history as a > clue on how to preserve data. > > * Find a responsible maintainer in the Docs community who will be > accountable for Release Notes content conversion, tracking, and > packaging. That person will need to make noise and get Docs > contributors to assist as needed. I'll make myself available to help. > > Let's make sure that the Release Notes for F9 are another steady > improvement just as in our previous releases! Hi, If it is okay with everyone else, I would be happy to put my hand up for this. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 01:15:23 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 20:15:23 -0500 Subject: Release note beats for F9? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803041529i74a215f9sa007c7fdc1f72c93@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803041529i74a215f9sa007c7fdc1f72c93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204679723.25536.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 09:29 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Probably correct. In the past Karsten and I -- for the most part -- > > took care of organizing the Release Notes and the Installation Guide. > > Speaking in shame only for myself, I haven't spent much time on looking > > at Docs Project schedule adherence over the past month or so. > > > > The things that need to happen: > > > > * Check schedule to make sure it agrees with reality, since it was > > drafted some time ago. > > > > * Send additional messages to f-devel-l to get community members to > > write information on the wiki under Docs/Beats/* for their desired > > areas. > > > > * Update the DocsDict page as needed, and clear out old content in each > > Beat, while retaining the new, using the page's "Get Info" history as a > > clue on how to preserve data. > > > > * Find a responsible maintainer in the Docs community who will be > > accountable for Release Notes content conversion, tracking, and > > packaging. That person will need to make noise and get Docs > > contributors to assist as needed. I'll make myself available to help. > > > > Let's make sure that the Release Notes for F9 are another steady > > improvement just as in our previous releases! > > Hi, > > If it is okay with everyone else, I would be happy to put my hand up for this. Are you kidding? We're thrilled! Please look at the list above, and if you see anything in that list you don't know how to do -- it may be just one or two things, it may be many -- ask here and I and others will do our best to get you all the answers you need. That way Google will capture the answers and the rest of the list can learn (and, hopefully, help in the future). You'll find it's not as hard as you think, just takes some time to learn the process. Thanks for rolling up your sleeves Murray! -- Paul W. 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Again, please let us know or make the changes yourself :) Thanks, Jon From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 5 14:13:20 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:43:20 +0530 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <1204725521.2640.50.camel@cookie.hadess.net> References: <3263b11b0803050458n2847a774i1c45061299eee8eb@mail.gmail.com> <1204725521.2640.50.camel@cookie.hadess.net> Message-ID: <47CEAA80.1010609@fedoraproject.org> Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:58 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> The beta release notes can be found at: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes >> >> I'd appreciate it if people would look over what's there and make >> suggestions on list or changes to the page itself :) > > I've added mention of a few Bluetooth features (ObexFTP and ObexPush > client and servers, Palm sync over Bluetooth). Do you have any screenshots or screecasts showing off this feature? > Not sure how to add those: > - Totem got DVB and DVD support, given the right plugins are installed > (link to upstream site? http://www.gnome.org/projects/totem/#dvb and > http://www.gnome.org/projects/totem/#codecs) > - Totem also has better text subtitles support, a YouTube search plugin, > a MythTV plugin > - Rhythmbox is now the default CD player, and got UPNP support as well > as better Podcast support (Atom feeds, and iTunes Podcasts) Just dump the content into the wiki and we will sort it out. Again, screenshots are useful. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 5 14:14:13 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:44:13 +0530 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <15840.192.54.193.59.1204726114.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <3263b11b0803050458n2847a774i1c45061299eee8eb@mail.gmail.com> <1204725521.2640.50.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <15840.192.54.193.59.1204726114.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <47CEAAB5.6020302@fedoraproject.org> Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:58 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The beta release notes can be found at: >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes >>> >>> I'd appreciate it if people would look over what's there and make >>> suggestions on list or changes to the page itself :) > > 1. evdev was enabled in X, which should improve support of many > so-called "multimedia" keys. > > 2. The Fedora font selection changed, with many new fonts added and a > few dropped following a licensing audit. Do you have more information on what has changed? Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 14:51:48 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:51:48 +0000 Subject: Beta Release Notes In-Reply-To: <14660.192.54.193.59.1204727320.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> References: <3263b11b0803050458n2847a774i1c45061299eee8eb@mail.gmail.com> <1204725521.2640.50.camel@cookie.hadess.net> <15840.192.54.193.59.1204726114.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> <47CEAAB5.6020302@fedoraproject.org> <14660.192.54.193.59.1204727320.squirrel@rousalka.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1204728708.1552.68.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:28 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Mer 5 mars 2008 15:14, Rahul Sundaram a ?crit : > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > >>> On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 12:58 +0000, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> The beta release notes can be found at: > >>>> > >>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Beta/ReleaseNotes > >>>> > >>>> I'd appreciate it if people would look over what's there and make > >>>> suggestions on list or changes to the page itself :) > >> > >> 1. evdev was enabled in X, which should improve support of many > >> so-called "multimedia" keys. > >> > >> 2. The Fedora font selection changed, with many new fonts added and > >> a few dropped following a licensing audit. > > > > Do you have more information on what has changed? > > - DejaVu full replaces DejaVu LGC as default font set. LGC still > available in the repo for users wishing to downgrade the default font > coverage. > - Luxi was dropped. Not modifiable. > - DejaVu and Liberation updated to new versions with more coverage. > - Many historic font packages were renamed and reorganised (the end of > the font-region bundles) > - Stix, Tiresias, Yanonne, Greek Font Society font set were added (and > several others I don't remember from the top of my head, diffing comps > files from F8 at release time and Rawhide or asking Jens should tell > the full story) > > Not for the release notes, but for the list: we have good official > packaging guidelines for TTF/OTF fonts now, and a huge font wishlist. > What we are lacking is packagers. Please come join the fun! /me reminds responders that it's just as easy to dump these blurbs into the wiki directly. Documentation folks will clean them up and ask for any necessary clarifications based on who added them. Thanks for the release notes content! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 15:30:53 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 09:30:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: Announcing FAS2 Tests! Message-ID: Well, we've been working on it for a long time and even with a last minute core technology change FAS2 is ready for testing and almost ready for deployment. What is FAS2 you ask? Its the second iteration of the Fedora Accounts System. It's based off of TurboGears and has so many standards and future expandability I won't even go into that here. What I will say is that we'd like everyone to come test it before we deploy it in the next week or two. The test site is at: https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ This system is completely separate from the current running system so feel free to come in, setup a test account, or 2 or 10, and groups. If you'd like admin or sponsor access to a group just stop by #fedora-admin and ask for it and someone will set you up. What are features to look forward to in FAS2? * Online help system * Translations (the systems there but without translations currently) * JSON Interface * More comprehensive client for shell access * Easier to sign the CLA * OpenID interface (work in progress) * Much less developer-centeric interface To get your own local install going just run: yum install git-core git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git/ cd fedora-infrastructure.git/fas vi README If you have any bugs to report please send them to: https://fedorahosted.org/fas2/ We're also taking feature requests though they will likely not make it into the initial deployment. Happy hacking! From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 5 19:56:14 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:56:14 -0800 Subject: help with DUG now Message-ID: <1204746974.4141.92.camel@calliope.phig.org> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide Grab yourself an editor assignment (or two, or three, or more!) and have at it. Let's get this one cleaned up and ready for conversion. Deadline: 9 March Sound good? -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Wed Mar 5 20:03:33 2008 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:03:33 -0500 Subject: Announcing FAS2 Tests! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1204747413.3074.0.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Just out of curiosity, logins and such wil be over SSL in production? -Jason On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 09:30 -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > Well, we've been working on it for a long time and even with a last minute > core technology change FAS2 is ready for testing and almost ready for > deployment. What is FAS2 you ask? Its the second iteration of the Fedora > Accounts System. It's based off of TurboGears and has so many standards > and future expandability I won't even go into that here. What I will say > is that we'd like everyone to come test it before we deploy it in the next > week or two. > > The test site is at: https://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ > > This system is completely separate from the current running system so feel > free to come in, setup a test account, or 2 or 10, and groups. If you'd > like admin or sponsor access to a group just stop by #fedora-admin and ask > for it and someone will set you up. What are features to look forward to > in FAS2? > > * Online help system > * Translations (the systems there but without translations currently) > * JSON Interface > * More comprehensive client for shell access > * Easier to sign the CLA > * OpenID interface (work in progress) > * Much less developer-centeric interface > > > To get your own local install going just run: > > yum install git-core > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-infrastructure.git/ > cd fedora-infrastructure.git/fas > vi README > > If you have any bugs to report please send them to: > https://fedorahosted.org/fas2/ > > We're also taking feature requests though they will likely not make it > into the initial deployment. Happy hacking! > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20080305201213.GI16254@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> References: <1204747413.3074.0.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <20080305201213.GI16254@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> Message-ID: <1204751093.3074.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Okay, figured as much, Mike posted an SSL link but redirects don't appear to all be done via SSL. For instance after registering, the page I was taken to was not an HTTPS page so login was sent in the clear, or so it appears. :D -Jason On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:12 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-03-05 03:03:33 PM, Jason wrote: > > Just out of curiosity, logins and such wil be over SSL in production? > Yup. > > Thanks, > Ricky > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Marc From bob at fedoraunity.org Wed Mar 5 23:19:30 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:19:30 -0600 Subject: Mailing list SPAM Message-ID: <47CF2A82.2050205@fedoraunity.org> I added an agenda item for next weeks meeting. I went to check the spam after work and it would appear that some one denied some messages that should have been approved. We need better communication about this. ---- Robert 'Bob' Jensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 6 03:15:33 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:15:33 -0800 Subject: SMG in CVS, ready for post-DocBook conversion edit Message-ID: <1204773333.4116.11.camel@calliope.phig.org> The Software Management Guide has undergone a bit of a facelift, with these cool changes: * Freshly updated content written and edited by Eric 'Sparks' Christensen; edit and wiki conversion to DocBook XML by Jared Smith * This checkout is in DocBook but has not been edited for proper Fedora Docs style: - At least Paul and I have agreed to have review it - Chance to watch fedora-docs-commits to learn how and why we do stuff - Informative CVS commit messages guaranteed or your money back! * The current development version is available in CVS[1]: cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/software-management-guide-devel * Module in CVS moved from 'yum-software-management' to reflect new name and focus * All current and old bugzilla entries for 'y-s-m' moved to 's-m-g' - New module owner Eric Christensen, QA eye by Jared Smith = Next Steps = 1. Big XML crawl over with our Sherlockian magnifying glass 2. Approve for Fedora 9 3. Publish with Fedora 9 on: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/software-management-guide == How to Help with the XML Crawl == Declare to this thread which chapters you want to review; review them and commit changes to CVS; be thanked. - Karsten [1] CVS access details at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/CvsUsage#Anonymous_CVS The module for just the -devel branch is 'software-management-yum-devel'. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Let's get this one cleaned up and ready for conversion. > > > > Deadline: 9 March > > > > Sound good? > Let's do it. > I'll have the majority of it done by March 9 except the wordsmith > section. > I'll "wordsmith". Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project From nihedmm at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 05:52:27 2008 From: nihedmm at gmail.com (nihed mbarek) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:52:27 +0100 Subject: Announcing FAS2 Tests! In-Reply-To: <1204751093.3074.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> References: <1204747413.3074.0.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <20080305201213.GI16254@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> <1204751093.3074.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Message-ID: <5bddd8fd0803052152r1a81099o4bc7680a51c363ce@mail.gmail.com> Sign up for a Fedora accountUsername: nihed Full Name: nihed mbarek Email: nihed at fedoraproject.org then Error! The following error(s) have occured with your request: - email: To prevent email loops, your email address cannot be @ fedoraproject.org. I don't indestand why this error ?? On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Jason wrote: > Okay, figured as much, Mike posted an SSL link but redirects don't > appear to all be done via SSL. For instance after registering, the page > I was taken to was not an HTTPS page so login was sent in the clear, or > so it appears. :D > > -Jason > > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:12 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > On 2008-03-05 03:03:33 PM, Jason wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, logins and such wil be over SSL in production? > > Yup. > > > > Thanks, > > Ricky > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- M'BAREK Med Nihed, Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulo.banon at googlemail.com Thu Mar 6 08:22:47 2008 From: paulo.banon at googlemail.com (Paulo Santos) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:22:47 +0100 Subject: Announcing FAS2 Tests! In-Reply-To: <5bddd8fd0803052152r1a81099o4bc7680a51c363ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204747413.3074.0.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <20080305201213.GI16254@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> <1204751093.3074.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <5bddd8fd0803052152r1a81099o4bc7680a51c363ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a41c4bc0803060022u794dc9cayfb1f2b31a04d74a3@mail.gmail.com> When you create a new Fedora Account, you dont have any @fedoraproject.orgon your email, since that will be created prior to the account creation. I think Mike, Toshio and Ricky are trying to prevent exactly this :) Of course I might be wrong... Paulo On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:52 AM, nihed mbarek wrote: > Sign up for a Fedora accountUsername: nihed > Full Name: nihed mbarek > Email: nihed at fedoraproject.org > > then > Error! > > The following error(s) have occured with your request: > > - email: To prevent email loops, your email address cannot be @ > fedoraproject.org. > > > I don't indestand why this error ?? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:04 PM, Jason wrote: > > > Okay, figured as much, Mike posted an SSL link but redirects don't > > appear to all be done via SSL. For instance after registering, the page > > I was taken to was not an HTTPS page so login was sent in the clear, or > > so it appears. :D > > > > -Jason > > > > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 15:12 -0500, Ricky Zhou wrote: > > > On 2008-03-05 03:03:33 PM, Jason wrote: > > > > Just out of curiosity, logins and such wil be over SSL in > > production? > > > Yup. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ricky > > > -- > > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > > > > -- > M'BAREK Med Nihed, > Fedora Ambassador, TUNISIA, Northern Africa > PUB 1024D/FCC5B291 2006-02-28 [expires: 2008-12-27] > FPR 16A4 AC3F 0B84 B3D1 A0E5 9BCC AD13 0DAE FCC5 B291 > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 09:31:43 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:31:43 +1000 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook Message-ID: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? Thanks for your help!] Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 09:48:39 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:48:39 +0100 Subject: wiki fusion? Message-ID: <64b14b300803060148r2ff9d721vc814c2795def713d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have seen some great online resources for fedora users like fedorasolved.org and today I found fedoramobile.org. although I use fedora for a long time I found these sites to be much under "advertised" from official fedora people, I haven't seen anybody reference it, only the Fedora Wiki. I talked to some contributors to those pages and they think that Fedora Wiki is too hard to navigate and find interesting things on. That is why those community pages have started. I as a fedora user would love to see one resource with all those tips & tricks that we need sometime. Has anybody from fedora documentation project started talking with the community how to make "wiki fusion", just like there is one "rpm fusion" going on right now for community packages? Is there some reason why fedora wiki is so hard to navigate and find things? Also I believe and have seen this from using wiki that combining "official" ie. "fedora developers" parts and "fedora users" part on one wiki is bad for users, because when I search I usually find things I as a user am not interested in... Maybe two wiki pages would solve this? Any comments? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Mar 6 09:53:39 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:53:39 +0900 Subject: wiki fusion? In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803060148r2ff9d721vc814c2795def713d@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803060148r2ff9d721vc814c2795def713d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204797219.18130.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 10:48 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I have seen some great online resources for fedora users like > fedorasolved.org and today I found fedoramobile.org. although I use > fedora for a long time I found these sites to be much under > "advertised" from official fedora people, I haven't seen anybody > reference it, only the Fedora Wiki. I talked to some contributors to > those pages and they think that Fedora Wiki is too hard to navigate > and find interesting things on. That is why those community pages have > started. > > I as a fedora user would love to see one resource with all those tips > & tricks that we need sometime. > > Has anybody from fedora documentation project started talking with the > community how to make "wiki fusion", just like there is one "rpm > fusion" going on right now for community packages? > > Is there some reason why fedora wiki is so hard to navigate and find things? > > Also I believe and have seen this from using wiki that combining > "official" ie. "fedora developers" parts and "fedora users" part on > one wiki is bad for users, because when I search I usually find things > I as a user am not interested in... > > Maybe two wiki pages would solve this? > > Any comments? > > Cheers, > Valent. One of the slack people that run it named Evilbob on irc was supposed to transfer them to the wiki. *wave* Bob Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 13:24:42 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 13:24:42 +0000 Subject: help with DUG now In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803052152s3e92c27fue26b0e2e6a4d54d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204746974.4141.92.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1204752044.18130.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <9d2c731f0803052152s3e92c27fue26b0e2e6a4d54d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1204809882.7241.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 08:52 +0300, John Babich wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 11:56 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide > > > > > > Grab yourself an editor assignment (or two, or three, or more!) and have > > > at it. Let's get this one cleaned up and ready for conversion. > > > > > > Deadline: 9 March > > > > > > Sound good? > > Let's do it. > > > I'll have the majority of it done by March 9 except the wordsmith > > section. > > I'll "wordsmith". Let's see some signups on the page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide I've started a couple of these, and however much it might torture our rickety wiki, I'm doing my saves incrementally and leaving comments that might interest other editors. Some of the fine folks stepping up to help may not yet have had the benefit of the tutelage I got from folks like Karsten coming up in FDP. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See here for more details: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2008-March/msg00013.html Should we have a warnings/regressions section? Cheers, Mark. From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 23:01:48 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:01:48 +0000 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs Message-ID: <1204844508.28814.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> I talked with a couple of folks from the Red Hat Engineering Content Services (documentation & translation) groups tonight -- part of a weekly series of meetings, actually. Thanks to the kind participation of Murray McAllister, we have a splendid opportunity to see how our toolchain can fit together with Publican, the RH Docs tool for building documentation. There are probably a few capabilities we have of which the RH Docs team isn't aware, and some pain points that may require fixing as well. I am hopeful that the developer of Publican, Jeff Fearn, will be able to help out with looking at the FDP toolchain to explore all these issues, since there aren't many of us here with the combination of the requisite skills and the time to work on any remaining problems. Doing this work in the open community is a big win for everyone, especially since it will help seed a whole new group of documentation writers and editors in the FDP. As I told the RH folks, I suspect this is not nearly as long or arduous a process as it sounds. I also think we'll find not only a lot of common problems already solved, but ways to improve both our toolchain and Publican as we go. Thanks to everyone for your assistance as we explore this opportunity together. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Mar 6 23:07:54 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:07:54 -0800 Subject: Wiki changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D0794A.7040505@redhat.com> Mike McGrath said the following on 03/04/2008 09:36 AM Pacific Time: > I'm making some more wiki tweaks today, if you're a regular wiki user > please stop by #fedora-admin and let me know how its going. Basically I'm > allowing more processes to run but for a shorter amount of time. This > will cause the longer running threads to be killed much sooner and should > free up resources for the normal day-to-day stuff that has been suffering > over the last couple of weeks. I'm looking into why we've had more > timeouts recently though I suspect its because the release is close, more > people are editing and using the wiki. > > Please let me know what your experiences are with the wiki over the next > couple of days. > > -Mike > Sometimes it *seems* a little better, but overall still lots of timeouts and 503s. So for me I cannot tell a difference, particularly based on the feature page changes I've made this afternoon. John From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Mar 6 23:19:30 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 02:19:30 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-05 IRC Log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803061519j3a6ffd1ek882dc4db3c4be034@mail.gmail.com> Mar 05 22:02:00 Mar 05 22:02:09 * jsmith is here (Jared Smith) Mar 05 22:02:13 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda Mar 05 22:02:18 <-- Karsten Wade Mar 05 22:02:21 John Babich Mar 05 22:02:29 <-- Bob Jensen Mar 05 22:03:06 * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo meeting - Agenda http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda --- Current Topic ::: Acccess to wiki and Docs content; what belongs there Mar 05 22:03:58 <-- BobJensen Mar 05 22:04:11 stickster is Paul and he is here too Mar 05 22:04:38 * stickster can't keep up with all the usage patterns for meeting roll call :-D Mar 05 22:04:49 first point, I'm not caught up on last week -- I didn't see a summary Mar 05 22:05:14 we have a new vice chair Mar 05 22:05:16 but the first agenda item seems new and relevant Mar 05 22:05:16 We elected a vice chair Mar 05 22:05:22 great! who? Mar 05 22:05:23 :D Mar 05 22:05:29 jmbuser Mar 05 22:05:32 jmbuser Mar 05 22:05:34 * quaid voted by proxy, hopefully Mar 05 22:05:40 jmbuser: congrats, and more so, thanks! Mar 05 22:05:45 nope we did not need your vote Mar 05 22:05:45 The guy who didn't do a summary Mar 05 22:05:47 quaid: We had you down for voting for yourself Mar 05 22:05:56 quaidL Thanks Mar 05 22:06:16 * quaid finishes the old business before moving on ... sorry for the topic delay Mar 05 22:06:21 4 of the 5 present voted Mar 05 22:06:27 jmbuser: do you want to try to tackle a summary this week? Mar 05 22:06:37 quaid: Yes, I will Mar 05 22:06:47 it is in fact useful for getting your hands around what is going on, and also I like it because "whoever writes history, defines history" :) Mar 05 22:06:55 k Mar 05 22:07:12 jmbuser: Also it's pretty important for establishing action items. Who owns an item? That way we can point fingers later. Mar 05 22:07:21 word Mar 05 22:07:23 _1 Mar 05 22:07:25 +1 Mar 05 22:07:46 ok, so back to the /topic Mar 05 22:07:46 jmbuser: Summarizing as we go, if you can't tell, speak up and we'll make sure it's assigned Mar 05 22:07:48 * stickster shuts up Mar 05 22:08:04 stickster: ok Mar 05 22:08:05 as it happens we were discussing the CLA and wiki mess over on #fedora-admin Mar 05 22:08:20 but it is the clear goal to enable people Mar 05 22:08:28 to "sign up, agree, and edit" in one go Mar 05 22:08:37 stickster is on record Mar 05 22:08:50 so we are looking at a new era, where e.g. #fedora helpers will be encouraged to use the wiki, etc. Mar 05 22:09:30 what role does Fedora Docs have in that? Mar 05 22:09:54 * quaid knows his opinion but ... what is yours? Mar 05 22:11:23 I summarized my opinions in my contribution to the wiki gardening page Mar 05 22:11:39 * couf here finally Mar 05 22:11:45 moin couf Mar 05 22:12:14 Briefly, the wiki is good for collaboraive, store-and-forward writing Mar 05 22:12:38 Things like draft docs and the Fedora Weekly news.... Mar 05 22:12:43 * EvilBob 's Day Care is open today... kinda busy Mar 05 22:13:06 including capturing Release Notes beats Mar 05 22:13:14 one challenge I see is the WikiEditing is crucial to understand, and freaking LONG Mar 05 22:13:42 quaid: The page itself? Mar 05 22:13:42 and another is picking and enforcing namespace conventions Mar 05 22:13:55 should people put stuff under Docs/? or under Content_Area/? Mar 05 22:14:00 jmbuser: yes Mar 05 22:14:48 * jpuellma (n=jpuellma at 70.230.182.0) has left #fedora-meeting ("Cheese it!") Mar 05 22:15:12 quaid: good question Mar 05 22:15:24 we might want to create a "short article", draft real docs, faqs, ... sections in Docs/ Mar 05 22:15:38 we were just talking about that the other day Mar 05 22:15:39 or try to move documenation over to docs.fp.o in a wiki ;-) Mar 05 22:15:44 quaid: Do you mean, where should people put random information that doesn't fit into a project? Mar 05 22:15:53 stickster: sort of Mar 05 22:16:00 stickster: project info == people who work on a project use that Mar 05 22:16:18 content area == all that random useful stuff that isn't for the project workers, but might be about the project subject Mar 05 22:16:23 so e.g. Kernel Mar 05 22:16:32 do we have /Kernel == only kernel maintainers Mar 05 22:16:39 or is that for "how to do kernel shite" Mar 05 22:16:41 or both? Mar 05 22:17:06 and if it is how-to, should we have all that under Docs/ ? Mar 05 22:17:22 so, what Bob and I discussed the other day was an NVR style of path Mar 05 22:17:40 NVR? Mar 05 22:17:46 like a package Mar 05 22:17:47 Name version release Mar 05 22:17:49 Ah, gotcha Mar 05 22:17:54 so Mar 05 22:17:55 we had someone ask where the F9 docs are kept, indicating that it's less than clear Mar 05 22:18:03 NVR would help Mar 05 22:18:11 Docs/9/Virt/How-To Mar 05 22:18:36 * stickster thinks about how ill-suited wiki is to this level of organization, compared to foldering on CMS Mar 05 22:18:41 where is evilbob when I need his rememory! :) Mar 05 22:18:53 stickster: meh, we do what we have to :) Mar 05 22:19:15 stickster: Oh I agree Mar 05 22:19:18 Ah, the joys and pains of content management Mar 05 22:19:19 stickster: +1 Mar 05 22:19:19 we don't want these: Docs/How-To/Virt; Mar 05 22:19:19 If we're using MW for this in the future, let's think ahead to how we can make use of its capabilities to do this. Mar 05 22:19:26 EvilBob: did I get that example in the right order? Mar 05 22:19:30 stickster: but lets not get me barking up that tired old tree again Mar 05 22:19:35 * jsmith things we need a completely new paradigm Mar 05 22:19:52 MW = MediaWiki? Mar 05 22:19:59 stickster: that is where my question started Mar 05 22:20:09 a great mind... Mar 05 22:20:10 jmbuser: +1 Mar 05 22:20:14 stickster: how does what we have now translate to MW Mar 05 22:20:23 couf: so this is trying to answer your point; organize by content-type, version, then method of presentation (article, how-to, faq) Mar 05 22:20:41 stickster: so we started thinking about fixing what we got Mar 05 22:20:45 got Mar 05 22:20:49 I hate that word Mar 05 22:20:52 have Mar 05 22:20:55 have Mar 05 22:20:59 jinx! Mar 05 22:21:33 * fabian_a (n=fabian at 84-75-160-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 05 22:21:45 stickster: IMO we need more input from mmcgrath and the others about how things will transition Mar 05 22:21:58 EvilBob: That's not really a blocker for organization, though. Mar 05 22:22:11 Let's think about how we can better categorize the content we have Mar 05 22:22:13 The top-down approach is good for the people having to organize the wiki...and search lets people just find it Mar 05 22:22:30 stickster: well it is if all pages end up looking like they are in a single directory Mar 05 22:22:50 EvilBob: Nah, the search takes care of a lot of that problem. Mar 05 22:23:00 The depth of the structure is irrelevant. Mar 05 22:23:03 Best of both worlds Mar 05 22:23:07 Problem is, moin search sucks. Mar 05 22:23:14 Moin sucks Mar 05 22:23:17 If you know a page title, you can find the page fast. Mar 05 22:23:25 EvilBob: No one's making you bark, simmer down ;-D Mar 05 22:23:35 we have said that for a long time, it is irrelevant Mar 05 22:23:40 If you know some content, you can find the page if you're willing to wait an eternity. Mar 05 22:23:57 MW solves both those problems with a full-text index that actually works. Mar 05 22:23:59 yup Mar 05 22:24:08 WIN! Mar 05 22:24:23 Thn there are always external search engines - make sure the wiki get searched thoroughly by bots Mar 05 22:24:33 s/Thn /Then / Mar 05 22:24:34 jmbuser: +1 about the top-down approach; we need to enable an army of wiki watchers to help us out Mar 05 22:24:34 So, we don't need to worry inordinately about calling things by some long hierarchical title like "Releases/12/ProjectFoo/DoingThis/DoingThat" Mar 05 22:24:51 stickster: so my thought was, lets start sorting, fixing, moving what we have in to some sort of sane dirctory like organization Mar 05 22:25:00 and the opposite has just been said .... Mar 05 22:25:02 fight! Mar 05 22:25:38 stickster: is it just my sense of order that is afronted? Because I think random page names like Fedora12VirtQuickStart sort of suck Mar 05 22:25:57 The names suck, but you're thinking of a world where the name matters Mar 05 22:26:02 now in some parts of the wiki because there is not organization there are things duplicated Mar 05 22:26:07 and from a management standpoint, how do i know when there are holes in content without some tree to look around Mar 05 22:26:16 Categorizing by search fixes all Mar 05 22:26:22 and the info is not the same Mar 05 22:26:27 EvilBob: +1 Mar 05 22:26:42 If you can't find it in an FTI, it needs writing. If you find it twice, collate and reduce Mar 05 22:26:51 s/an FTI/a FTI/ Mar 05 22:26:52 some is better, some is not so good, neither can be obsolited because they are in different areas Mar 05 22:27:18 Also, MW will tell you what pages reference other pages. Mar 05 22:27:26 Another lovely function that Moin doesn't offer. Mar 05 22:27:36 Well, least not from what I've seen. Mar 05 22:27:56 So I can ask MW, "Hey MW, what pages reference Fedora12VirtQuickStart?" Mar 05 22:28:00 Makes cleaning a lot easier. Mar 05 22:28:11 the Packaging and contributing pages of the wiki are a ... mess Mar 05 22:28:16 stickster: good feature Mar 05 22:28:28 and there is some AWESOME content there Mar 05 22:28:28 EvilBob: Let's finish the discussion of the organizing vs. not organizing first. Mar 05 22:28:40 stickster: it is an example Mar 05 22:28:41 By which I mean, I think I'm winning, fight back! Mar 05 22:28:44 :-D Mar 05 22:28:58 * stickster puts on that cool Star Trek fight music Mar 05 22:29:01 well I don't care Mar 05 22:29:06 Well that's no fun then. Mar 05 22:29:13 quaid? Mar 05 22:29:13 couf? Mar 05 22:29:16 stickster: so you maintain ... Mar 05 22:29:17 WHO WILL FACE ME?!? Mar 05 22:29:23 that namespace does not matter _at_all_? Mar 05 22:29:27 * couf needs to run, sorry guys Mar 05 22:29:35 stcikster IS Captain Kirk Mar 05 22:29:42 hahaha Mar 05 22:29:51 Where's SPock? Mar 05 22:29:54 * stickster is totally just another bum, please feel free to take him down several pegs Mar 05 22:30:09 http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z1eFdUSnaQM Mar 05 22:30:12 quaid: I say, take a look at wikipedia Mar 05 22:30:12 it can either get organized so people can find stuff or we can go back to the same old same, the wiki sucks we can't find what we need and when we do find something there are 15 pages that say the same thing Mar 05 22:30:13 Worst Fight Scene Ever Mar 05 22:30:28 quaid: YES!!! Mar 05 22:30:45 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at p54B10D78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 05 22:31:03 stickster: not sure if Wikipedia is a good reference or not Mar 05 22:31:09 it is a flat namespace, but I figured that is from necessity Mar 05 22:31:14 if the name space does not matter that is fine, I will shut up about it Mar 05 22:31:20 wikipedia is a thousand miles wide and 2 inches deep Mar 05 22:31:23 right, no subject is more important than any other on wikipedia Mar 05 22:31:23 My personal opinion is that no matter what we decide, the law of entropy will get us unless we make it hard not to do the right thing ;-) Mar 05 22:31:26 where we are one mile wide and ten miles deep Mar 05 22:31:57 jsmith: ninja robots attach you if you don't subscribe to a page you own? Mar 05 22:32:02 I think jsmith has a very good point Mar 05 22:32:10 I am not saying that hierarchies are by definition a bad thing. Mar 05 22:32:25 Whether it's a wiki or a CMS, you've gotta make it easy to do the right thing Mar 05 22:32:25 I think that pages will tend to accumulate in flat namespace. Mar 05 22:32:40 have they? Mar 05 22:32:50 Pretty surely Mar 05 22:32:59 ("Don't call me surely.") Mar 05 22:32:59 mmcgrath: you about? any idea if more pages use flat namespace or moin-pseudo-hierarchy? Mar 05 22:33:01 * EvilBob has other things to do for Fedora than just thinking about the wiki, just was looking for something else I could do. Mar 05 22:33:06 stickster: nor pretty Mar 05 22:33:11 EvilBob: hey! Mar 05 22:33:11 * bo09 (n=bo09 at nat/redhat/x-a14e2d8bf802b3b6) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 05 22:33:22 quaid: yeah Mar 05 22:33:34 EvilBob: we just need to sort out which is the right thing to spend our time on in fixing the freaking wiki Mar 05 22:33:52 whats the difference between flat namespace and moin-pseudo-hierarchy? Mar 05 22:33:55 well Mar 05 22:34:08 flat namespace is like: Fedora9VirtQuickStart Mar 05 22:34:23 pseudo-hierarchy is: Docs/9/Virt/QuickStart Mar 05 22:34:38 oh Mar 05 22:34:38 so ... SELinux/FAQ is a non-flat usage Mar 05 22:34:50 we have a good mix of both though I think most teams do pseudo-hierarchy. Mar 05 22:34:55 I say psuedo because I don't think Moin actually organizes in folders, right? Mar 05 22:35:00 I think we're going to see mainly one folder deep Mar 05 22:35:01 quaid: Oh I agree, but fixing content is not an option when I (and the users) don't even know what content there is the way things are now Mar 05 22:35:37 I was contemplating a massive help in pushing to MW right after FAS2 rolls out Mar 05 22:35:52 and then resolving this more on the other side, once we know the new scope Mar 05 22:36:15 so, we might not need to fix names as much as use search to find duplicate content, merge, etc. like Paul said Mar 05 22:36:17 quaid: I think that's the right plan if we're just a short way from it Mar 05 22:36:18 quaid: I agree with Paul that we need to look at what we will want to have once FAS2 and MW are a reality Mar 05 22:36:33 It looks like both are close Mar 05 22:36:33 there is also a secondary question on the table: Mar 05 22:36:35 Some days, I wonder if it wouldn't be worth burning it all and starting over. Give people a time to move the relevant content (from Moin to MW), and burn the rest. You know, like the same way you cleaned out the fridge in college. Mar 05 22:36:45 do we want a separate Docs/ namespace? something that is just Fedora Docs? Mar 05 22:36:50 my problem is that when I search I get proxy errors Mar 05 22:36:56 or do we want to merge that up a layer, the idea being -- hey it's a wiki, it's docs already Mar 05 22:36:58 quaid: I think that may actually be a hindrance Mar 05 22:37:02 quaid: +1 Mar 05 22:37:16 We just draft in the appropriate space and let people go where they may. Mar 05 22:37:25 so the wiki is worthless unless we start fixing things now even if it is on a small scale and focused Mar 05 22:37:31 It couldn't be any worse uptake than right now -- meaning, we have Docs people who will work on it wherever it sits. Mar 05 22:37:38 right, so it's all project or content areas, with content area being everything from "FixingVideoProblems" to "KernelHacks" Mar 05 22:37:50 Has anyone found a good example of a well-organized wiki? - Maybe we should look around for a role model Mar 05 22:37:52 quaid: + Mar 05 22:37:55 +1 Mar 05 22:38:03 do we even want the concept of a Draft namespace within? Mar 05 22:38:12 e.g. Virt/Draft/Foo that moves to Virt/Foo? Mar 05 22:38:18 Draft no Mar 05 22:38:29 Virt/Foo/Draft Mar 05 22:38:31 or is a wiki, by definition, one big clusterdraft? Mar 05 22:38:33 Virt/Foo/8 Mar 05 22:38:34 I've come to think without a CMS and workflow, it's somewhat meaningless. Mar 05 22:38:36 Virt/Foo/9 Mar 05 22:38:39 Virt/Foo/7 Mar 05 22:38:46 +1 to "everything's a draft." Mar 05 22:39:05 stickster: +1 Mar 05 22:39:07 "a wiki is one big clusterdraft" Mar 05 22:39:12 :-D Mar 05 22:39:12 that's my next t-shirt Mar 05 22:39:24 It's a draft until it's checked into CVS and converted to DocBook XML Mar 05 22:39:36 Mine says "you're stupid" Mar 05 22:39:39 *ding ding ding* Mar 05 22:39:40 not you Mar 05 22:39:43 then published on a web site Mar 05 22:39:45 but others Mar 05 22:39:54 EvilBob: riiiight ... :) Mar 05 22:40:12 I think "draft" space has a place in the wiki Mar 05 22:40:28 * stickster thinks '|| This is a draft ||' accomplishes that Mar 05 22:40:33 stickster: how do you envision versioning differences? Mar 05 22:40:36 even if it is only used as a scratch pad for the next release Mar 05 22:40:54 one reason I like the version in a title/namespace is we can search for old shit to either mark as deprecated, update, or remove Mar 05 22:40:56 A rolling scratch pad from release to release Mar 05 22:41:06 * quaid is having a very hard time not swearing this morning, sorry :) Mar 05 22:41:13 quaid: +1 Mar 05 22:41:40 quaid: I think categories can take care of that nicely. We should be more freewheeling about them and use them like tags Mar 05 22:41:56 stickster: +1 Mar 05 22:41:58 stickster: +1 Mar 05 22:41:59 * quaid goes to look at wtf MW does about that Mar 05 22:42:04 stickster: in the long run yes Mar 05 22:42:21 * JSchmitt has quit ("Konversation terminated!") Mar 05 22:42:25 stickster: but that does not fix today, or tomorrow Mar 05 22:42:40 we still have moin moin for a little while Mar 05 22:42:46 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Categories Mar 05 22:43:14 EvilBob: Tomorrow may be closer than you think. Mar 05 22:43:22 I think we need to work on some of these gardening ideas before the migration so we have a better product after Mar 05 22:43:44 I think if we start framing it like a product, we're losing. Mar 05 22:44:01 EvilBob: I'm worried about us wasting time in moving content if it just won't matter Mar 05 22:44:30 e.g. we could be taking that time to put stuff in categories later, thereby getting the effect we want but in the freaking database of MW instead of trapped in CategoryFooBarBaz tags in Moin Mar 05 22:44:42 quaid: disco Mar 05 22:44:55 * RenaultR83 has quit (Connection timed out) Mar 05 22:45:03 * RenaultR83 (n=couretca at AToulon-151-1-103-20.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 05 22:45:06 My personal feeling is that the right place to spend time is polishing the DUG and AG, getting them out of the way so work can progress on other areas like the GIG. Mar 05 22:45:06 mmcgrath: does the Moin to MW migration scriptie cover the CategoryFoo stuff for tagging the resultant pages? Mar 05 22:45:24 Not sure, I'd bet it doesn't. Mar 05 22:45:35 I've got a script I'm working on and daMaestro is looking into one as well. Mar 05 22:45:37 are you building on an existing script? Mar 05 22:45:41 ah, ok Mar 05 22:45:51 yeah, I can get a copy to you. Mar 05 22:46:05 Evil Bob got split Mar 05 22:46:06 I'm not sure what license it is released under, I've contacted the author. Mar 05 22:46:23 we could use the old wiki in r-o mode for a while to do some of that; pull up pages by Category then tag the MW version;b ut that is a pita it seems we could automate? Mar 05 22:46:41 Yeah I was going to leave up for a couple of months at least in some sort of RO fashion. Mar 05 22:46:51 there is some bad lag Mar 05 22:46:56 how much time do we want to spend on the automation of migration? Mar 05 22:47:05 ok, let me summarize so far if I can: Mar 05 22:47:10 quaid: I think automating that seems pretty easy. Mar 05 22:47:35 quaid: it depends on what we want out of mediawiki. There's some bits I have in the "need" column right now (like proper table migration) Mar 05 22:47:36 * namespaces probably don't matter as much in MW; stickster argues that full text index is our friend there, as well as other MW features to find and merge content Mar 05 22:47:55 stickster: I hope that tomorrow comes very very fast Mar 05 22:48:07 quaid: And keep in mind that "namespaces" have a particular meaning in MW, i.e. they are a feature Mar 05 22:48:15 * we need this sorted out before F9 drops or we'll have the same mess as usual Mar 05 22:48:36 i.e. Special:, Help:, Main:, Template:, et al. Mar 05 22:48:46 * the goal is to enable maintainers as well as contributors to be effective, easily and early Mar 05 22:48:59 * eradicated Docs and Draft namespaces makes sense; the whole wiki == docs Mar 05 22:49:08 stickster: oh, yeah ... Mar 05 22:49:31 The biggest barrier to more wiki-based content right now is (1) the inefficiency of Moin, and (2) the CLA mes. Mar 05 22:49:32 * project_area and content_area should be good enough Mar 05 22:49:33 *mess. Mar 05 22:49:46 Does it still make sense to have a Docs namespace for things like Wiki to Docbook conversion, etc? Mar 05 22:49:56 I am trying to fix 2, and Mike et al. are trying to fix 1. Mar 05 22:50:05 * we need to assess (quickly!) what we can do to make the MW migration fastest and bestest, then do it and move on Mar 05 22:50:14 jsmith: DocumentationProject Mar 05 22:50:17 jsmith: Maybe we could categorize those too, i.e. Category:SCMControlled Mar 05 22:50:18 jsmith: that's docsProject Mar 05 22:50:22 EvilBob: :) Mar 05 22:50:23 jsmith: ok Mar 05 22:50:27 oops Mar 05 22:50:44 Docs/ is end user content Mar 05 22:50:46 Gotcha... Mar 05 22:50:49 jsmith: Oh wait, I think I answered the wrong question, nvm Mar 05 22:51:00 * jsmith finally makes the connection Mar 05 22:51:06 EvilBob: If we even keep Docs/ Mar 05 22:51:13 right, perfect example of the confusion of having Docs/ Mar 05 22:51:16 Which I think is unnecessary Mar 05 22:51:22 It's here, it's docs. Mar 05 22:51:24 stickster: I summarized above that we drop it Mar 05 22:51:27 Yup Mar 05 22:51:29 stickster: I am with you there Mar 05 22:51:31 * ? Mar 05 22:51:45 Sure Mar 05 22:51:51 oh, right, final point: Mar 05 22:51:54 I am not disagreeing that we need to clean things up Mar 05 22:52:09 oh wait that was my whole point... Mar 05 22:52:14 * focus on DUG/AG then GIG while mmcgrath does MW planning; help with that; then be prepared to gang on the migration to make it happen in time Mar 05 22:52:20 time == by 15 April? Mar 05 22:52:39 Sounds fair Mar 05 22:52:39 Set action items for the DUG/AG. Mar 05 22:52:42 stickster: want to know my fear? Mar 05 22:52:45 EvilBob: I think the point is, any effort at clean-up at this point is like sweeping the building before we implode it Mar 05 22:53:04 The only way the DUG/AG cleanup is going to happen is by people having clear assignments. Mar 05 22:53:04 maybe not "any" but "much" Mar 05 22:53:11 stickster: that the migration might take all pages and make them /laststring Mar 05 22:53:28 /laststring? Mar 05 22:53:28 EvilBob: Mike can take care of that. Mar 05 22:53:32 quaid: As in Releases/9/FooBar ==> newwiki/FooBar Mar 05 22:53:33 stickster: then we have 85 GettingStarted Mar 05 22:53:45 * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo -- DUG/AG assignments and planning Mar 05 22:53:50 EvilBob: mmcgrath et al. will ensure that doesn't happen. Mar 05 22:53:54 I think we need to get this one tackled before the meeting is over Mar 05 22:54:05 That's a pretty simple requirement for them to test. Mar 05 22:54:13 quaid: +10. Mar 05 22:54:16 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide Mar 05 22:54:21 that is ready for us to volunteer Mar 05 22:54:37 folks here, we all need to grab at least one of those chapters to help wordsmith/stylsmith Mar 05 22:54:41 How many people here are going to help get these things done, Finally? Mar 05 22:54:46 stickster: even Releases/9/FooBar ==> newwiki/Releases9FooBar is fine by me Mar 05 22:54:46 quaid: I volunteered last week to help with the Wiki to DocBook conversion, as long as everybody is happy with what I did with the SMG Mar 05 22:54:53 EvilBob: moving on Mar 05 22:54:58 I need to do a final sweep Mar 05 22:55:16 quaid: But since I haven't received any feedback on the SMG, I'm hesitant to tackle another project without making sure I did the last one right Mar 05 22:55:18 jsmith: You asked me, among others, to look at your work, and I haven't, apologies Mar 05 22:55:26 * EvilBob has quit (Remote closed the connection) Mar 05 22:55:36 Aiiieee! netsplit killed EvilBob! Mar 05 22:55:39 of the DUG for typos and continuity of style Mar 05 22:55:48 Sorry about that, lag got evilbob Mar 05 22:56:01 I was way behind in the conversation Mar 05 22:56:14 also the SMG, as I promised Mar 05 22:56:21 is it in CVS? Mar 05 22:56:27 that was my criteria, iirc Mar 05 22:56:40 so we could commit edits, etc. to cross-learn, etc. Mar 05 22:56:48 if it's not, let's do that right now after the meeting Mar 05 22:56:48 The SMG is in CVS, yes Mar 05 22:56:52 sweet Mar 05 22:57:05 It's still in the yum-software-management directory, but it's in CVS Mar 05 22:57:13 IT's been in CVS for about three weeks or so now Mar 05 22:57:48 * quaid shamefaced Mar 05 22:57:59 ok, #fedora-docs to sort that out Mar 05 22:58:01 oic Mar 05 22:58:40 * nim-nim has quit ("Leaving.") Mar 05 22:58:47 I will be away for the rest of the meeting, I can't get Evilbob connected and I can't leave these kids alone Mar 05 22:59:07 BobJensen: you good :) Mar 05 22:59:15 BobJensen: Fair enough... we'll cover for you (and I'll take over making snarky remarks on your behalf) Mar 05 22:59:21 I sent a note to the list to gang up on the DUG Mar 05 22:59:44 * nim-nim (n=nim-nim at m71.net81-64-156.noos.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Mar 05 22:59:47 * quaid has changed the topic to: relnotes one sheet Mar 05 22:59:56 ... which looks good so far; getting more attention Mar 05 23:00:04 we can later parse some of that back into the Beats Mar 05 23:00:16 speaking of beats ... Mar 05 23:00:36 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule#head-eaf64a312f930169fedfde4ebcb34a27527685b9 Mar 05 23:00:50 Paul and I met this weekend, and that schedule is basically accurate for here on out Mar 05 23:01:15 so we have an upcoming 16 March wiki freeze Mar 05 23:01:41 anything more on either of those topics? Mar 05 23:01:51 otherwise we can close and vacate the channel back to #fedora-docs ... Mar 05 23:02:43 closing in 10 Mar 05 23:02:48 5 Mar 05 23:02:49 4 Mar 05 23:02:50 3 Mar 05 23:02:51 2 Mar 05 23:02:51 1 Mar 05 23:02:54 From noriko at redhat.com Fri Mar 7 02:46:54 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:46:54 +1000 Subject: Publican and Other Langs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47D0AC9E.9050201@redhat.com> Hello, just a reminder... this post has not had replied yet. Juan Rodriguez wrote: > Hi there, > > I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write > helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been able to > contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. > > I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while it can > create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving me > issues. > Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something wrong. > What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book --name > Test_Book. > Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all of them > except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. > > All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field > 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. > Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. > After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or invalid > warning: charset conversion will not work > msgfmt: found 1 fatal error > > And Test_Book.po is completely blank. > > What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, where? > > Thanks for your time > -Nushio > From nushio at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 03:31:37 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:31:37 -0600 Subject: Publican and Other Langs In-Reply-To: <47D0AC9E.9050201@redhat.com> References: <47D0AC9E.9050201@redhat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hello, just a reminder... this post has not had replied yet. > > Juan Rodriguez wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write > > helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been able > to > > contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. > > > > I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while it > can > > create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving me > > issues. > > Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something > wrong. > > What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book > --name > > Test_Book. > > Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all of > them > > except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. > > > > All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field > > 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. > > Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. > > After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or invalid > > warning: charset conversion will not work > > msgfmt: found 1 fatal error > > > > And Test_Book.po is completely blank. > > > > What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, > where? > > > > Thanks for your time > > -Nushio > > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > The bug has already been submitted to Red Hat, and has been closed[1]. Thanks for the reminder Noriko, [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435401 -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noriko at redhat.com Fri Mar 7 04:44:48 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:44:48 +1000 Subject: Publican and Other Langs In-Reply-To: References: <47D0AC9E.9050201@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47D0C840.3030701@redhat.com> Juan M. Rodriguez wrote: > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >> Hello, just a reminder... this post has not had replied yet. >> >> Juan Rodriguez wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write >>> helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been able >> to >>> contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. >>> >>> I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while it >> can >>> create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving me >>> issues. >>> Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something >> wrong. >>> What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book >> --name >>> Test_Book. >>> Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all of >> them >>> except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. >>> >>> All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field >>> 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. >>> Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. >>> After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or invalid >>> warning: charset conversion will not work >>> msgfmt: found 1 fatal error >>> >>> And Test_Book.po is completely blank. >>> >>> What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, >> where? >>> Thanks for your time >>> -Nushio >>> >> -- >> fedora-docs-list mailing list >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list >> > > > The bug has already been submitted to Red Hat, and has been closed[1]. > > Thanks for the reminder Noriko, > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435401 > Juan, thanks! Now I see that it has been fixed and closed, but no idea where to get the fixed version. So I added the comment and asked. noriko From nushio at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 05:20:24 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 23:20:24 -0600 Subject: Publican and Other Langs In-Reply-To: <47D0C840.3030701@redhat.com> References: <47D0AC9E.9050201@redhat.com> <47D0C840.3030701@redhat.com> Message-ID: Noriko, and everyone: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=40226 Its not a repository, so it won't warn you when the latest version is up, but the RPMs are there. (You could use the Updates-Testing repository to get this in a standard way, but the testing repos aren't as stable as one would wish :/ The latest version, 0.30-0.fc8 still doesn't fix this issue :(, but it does address some others. I guess all that's left is wait for a new release. On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Juan M. Rodriguez wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Noriko Mizumoto > wrote: > > > >> Hello, just a reminder... this post has not had replied yet. > >> > >> Juan Rodriguez wrote: > >>> Hi there, > >>> > >>> I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write > >>> helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been > able > >> to > >>> contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. > >>> > >>> I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while > it > >> can > >>> create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving > me > >>> issues. > >>> Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something > >> wrong. > >>> What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book > >> --name > >>> Test_Book. > >>> Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all > of > >> them > >>> except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. > >>> > >>> All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field > >>> 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. > >>> Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. > >>> After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or > invalid > >>> warning: charset conversion will not work > >>> msgfmt: found 1 fatal error > >>> > >>> And Test_Book.po is completely blank. > >>> > >>> What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, > >> where? > >>> Thanks for your time > >>> -Nushio > >>> > >> -- > >> fedora-docs-list mailing list > >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > >> To unsubscribe: > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > >> > > > > > > The bug has already been submitted to Red Hat, and has been closed[1]. > > > > Thanks for the reminder Noriko, > > > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=435401 > > > Juan, thanks! > Now I see that it has been fixed and closed, but no idea where to get > the fixed version. So I added the comment and asked. > > noriko > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 08:08:03 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:08:03 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-05 Summary Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803070008v627da073k77da34b1901cd48f@mail.gmail.com> Summary of Fedora Documentation Steering Committee (FDSCo) meeting held on Wednesday, 05 March 2008 at 20:00 hrs UTC Attendees: ------------- Jared Smith (jsmith) Karsten Wade (quaid) John Babich (jbabich) Robert "Bob" Jensen (evilbob) Paul Frields (stickster) Bart Couvreur (couf) Summary: ------------- * Old business (last week's meeting) - FDSCo has a new vice chair, jmbuser, with 4 of the 5 present voting, 1 abstaining * Lowering the barriers for contributors - "sign up, agree, and edit" in one go * Wiki gardening - In preparation for migration from MoinMoin wiki to MediaWiki - we need this sorted out before F9 drops or we'll have the same mess as usual - the goal is to enable maintainers as well as contributors to be effective, easily and early - eradicated Docs and Draft namespaces makes sense; the whole wiki == docs - hierarchy of project_area and content_area should be good enough - finalize the DUG and AG, to enable progress on GIG (Getting Involved Guide) and other docs ACTIONS - Clean up MoinMoin Wiki - Get familiar with MediaWiki features - Finalize DUG and AG * Relnotes one sheet - looks good so far; getting more attention - later parse some of that back into the Beats * Release Beats - Upcoming Wiki freeze is 16 March - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule - schedule is basically accurate for here on out ACTION - Finalize Release Beats before 16 March freeze From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 08:42:19 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:42:19 +1000 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs In-Reply-To: <1204844508.28814.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204844508.28814.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803070042q53a83cfgab78d374861c52d1@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > I talked with a couple of folks from the Red Hat Engineering Content > Services (documentation & translation) groups tonight -- part of a > weekly series of meetings, actually. Thanks to the kind participation > of Murray McAllister, we have a splendid opportunity to see how our > toolchain can fit together with Publican, the RH Docs tool for building > documentation. There are probably a few capabilities we have of which > the RH Docs team isn't aware, and some pain points that may require > fixing as well. > > I am hopeful that the developer of Publican, Jeff Fearn, will be able to > help out with looking at the FDP toolchain to explore all these issues, > since there aren't many of us here with the combination of the requisite > skills and the time to work on any remaining problems. Doing this work > in the open community is a big win for everyone, especially since it > will help seed a whole new group of documentation writers and editors in > the FDP. As I told the RH folks, I suspect this is not nearly as long > or arduous a process as it sounds. I also think we'll find not only a > lot of common problems already solved, but ways to improve both our > toolchain and Publican as we go. > > Thanks to everyone for your assistance as we explore this opportunity > together. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug Hi, Will this require CVS access? If so, would somebody be able approve my account (mdious) for the cvsdocs group? Thanks for your help. Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 10:01:04 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:01:04 +0300 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803070042q53a83cfgab78d374861c52d1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204844508.28814.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803070042q53a83cfgab78d374861c52d1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803070201h46d57905x66b09cddca9b06a5@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > Will this require CVS access? If so, would somebody be able approve my > account (mdious) for the cvsdocs group? > I approved your CVS access in case you do need it. Best Regards, John Babich Member, FDSCo From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 7 18:09:42 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:09:42 +0000 Subject: Wiki changes In-Reply-To: <47D0794A.7040505@redhat.com> References: <47D0794A.7040505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1204913382.4663.113.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 15:07 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > Mike McGrath said the following on 03/04/2008 09:36 AM Pacific Time: > > I'm making some more wiki tweaks today, if you're a regular wiki user > > please stop by #fedora-admin and let me know how its going. Basically I'm > > allowing more processes to run but for a shorter amount of time. This > > will cause the longer running threads to be killed much sooner and should > > free up resources for the normal day-to-day stuff that has been suffering > > over the last couple of weeks. I'm looking into why we've had more > > timeouts recently though I suspect its because the release is close, more > > people are editing and using the wiki. > > > > Please let me know what your experiences are with the wiki over the next > > couple of days. > > Sometimes it *seems* a little better, but overall still lots of timeouts > and 503s. So for me I cannot tell a difference, particularly based on > the feature page changes I've made this afternoon. On average, I'd say it's improved quite a bit, though, wouldn't you? There was a bit of an outage yesterday afternoon EST, but that was a separate (and solved) issue. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 01:51:17 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 11:51:17 +1000 Subject: Meeting with RH Docs In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803070201h46d57905x66b09cddca9b06a5@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204844508.28814.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803070042q53a83cfgab78d374861c52d1@mail.gmail.com> <9d2c731f0803070201h46d57905x66b09cddca9b06a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803071751xd533c60nd60d96369b202899@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:01 PM, John Babich wrote: > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Murray McAllister > wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > > Will this require CVS access? If so, would somebody be able approve my > > account (mdious) for the cvsdocs group? > > > > I approved your CVS access in case you do need it. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > Member, FDSCo > Thanks for the quick response John, it is greatly appreciated! Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Mar 8 05:46:45 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 14:46:45 +0900 Subject: Wiki problems Message-ID: <1204955205.3645.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> I'm going to blame the wiki for this......... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Communications That page has the following section in it. The wiki text is as follows: == Kopete == ''' Kopete '''is the Internet Messenger that is installed in KDE by default. attachment:kopete.png In KDE ''' Kopete ''' can be found in ''Kmenu > Applications > Internet > Instant Messenger'' In GNOME '''Kopete''' can be found in ''Applications > Internet > Kopete'' The output however is different. How do I fix this? Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Mar 8 09:26:23 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:26:23 +0900 Subject: Wiki problems In-Reply-To: <1204955205.3645.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204955205.3645.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1204968383.3645.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 14:46 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > I'm going to blame the wiki for this......... > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Communications > > That page has the following section in it. The wiki text is as follows: > > == Kopete == > > ''' Kopete '''is the Internet Messenger that is installed in KDE by default. > > attachment:kopete.png > > In KDE ''' Kopete ''' can be found in ''Kmenu > Applications > Internet > Instant Messenger'' > > In GNOME '''Kopete''' can be found in ''Applications > Internet > Kopete'' > > The output however is different. How do I fix this? > > Cheers, > > Marc > All the sections are done except for the Communications one due to the issue that I'm having. == Kopete == '''Kopete''' is the Internet Messenger that is installed in KDE by default. attachment:kopete.png In KDE '''Kopete''' can be found in ''Kmenu > Applications > Internet > Instant Messenger'' In GNOME '''Kopete''' can be found in ''Applications > Internet > Kopete'' === Configuring Kopete === This section is specific for '''Kopete''' in Fedora. For further information and documentation on '''Kopete''', refer to: http://kopete.kde.org/ To start and configure '''Kopete''', select ''Applications > Internet > Kopete'' from the menu panel in GNOME or ''KMenu > Applications > Internet > Kopete'' in KDE. Starting '''Kopete''' for the first time goes directly into the creating accounts dialog. To configure a new account follow these steps: * Click the selected messaging service you desire. * In the Account Information window, enter your details that you are using to connect to the services. * Make sure to fill out the details on the other tabs. * Once the account is added, click '''[Next]'''' you should have an option to connect to the service tick then then click '''[Finish]'''. * New accounts can be added in the future by navigating to the ''Settings > Configure > menu'' entry in the main '''Kopete''' window then clicking the '''[Accounts]''' button after it has loaded. '''Kopete''' comes with a wide range of messaging services some examples are: {{{Gadu-Gadu AIM GroupWise ICQ IRC Jabber Meanwhile MSN Messenger Testbed WinPopup Yahoo }}} Accounts for the services can be added to kopete using the steps listed earlier. Thats the wiki markup thats causing me grief. Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 13:22:01 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:22:01 +0000 Subject: Wiki problems In-Reply-To: <1204968383.3645.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204955205.3645.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1204968383.3645.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1204982521.3336.75.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 18:26 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sat, 2008-03-08 at 14:46 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > I'm going to blame the wiki for this......... > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Communications > > > > That page has the following section in it. The wiki text is as follows: > > > > == Kopete == > > > > ''' Kopete '''is the Internet Messenger that is installed in KDE by default. > > > > attachment:kopete.png > > > > In KDE ''' Kopete ''' can be found in ''Kmenu > Applications > Internet > Instant Messenger'' > > > > In GNOME '''Kopete''' can be found in ''Applications > Internet > Kopete'' > > > > The output however is different. How do I fix this? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > All the sections are done except for the Communications one due to the > issue that I'm having. See my most recent change. Usually if you look backwards a few lines from the problem, you can find spurious markup that's at fault. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 16:51:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 11:51:25 -0500 Subject: Time change and meeting Message-ID: <1204995085.30874.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> I propose that our meeting shift by one hour for the duration of Daylight Savings Time, to 1800 UTC, so most local time will remain the same and we don't have to go through nailing down availability yet again. So that would be Wednesdays, 1800 UTC/2:00pm EDT/11:00am PDT. For people around the world not yet on Daylight Savings Time, this will make the meeting one hour earlier. If and when your time changes, the time would revert to the previous time; so our UK contingent, for example, will shift to BST on 30 March, and be back at 7:00pm instead of 6:00pm. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From couf at skynet.be Sun Mar 9 09:31:13 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:31:13 +0100 Subject: Time change and meeting In-Reply-To: <1204995085.30874.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204995085.30874.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205055073.20551.13.camel@versuz> Op zaterdag 08-03-2008 om 11:51 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Paul W. Frields: > I propose that our meeting shift by one hour for the duration of > Daylight Savings Time, to 1800 UTC, so most local time will remain the > same and we don't have to go through nailing down availability yet > again. > > So that would be Wednesdays, 1800 UTC/2:00pm EDT/11:00am PDT. > > For people around the world not yet on Daylight Savings Time, this will > make the meeting one hour earlier. If and when your time changes, the > time would revert to the previous time; so our UK contingent, for > example, will shift to BST on 30 March, and be back at 7:00pm instead of > 6:00pm. +1 to the proposal, we just need to make sure the other meetings before us do the same change (epel does it, bugzappers not yet) Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be on the road this week teaching an Asterisk class. -Jared From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Mar 9 22:55:57 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:55:57 +1000 Subject: Fedora 9 preview release notes clean-up Message-ID: <95f1114b0803091555j7fb4e659qa8484190485e12c5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I (perhaps crazily) put my hand up to help with converting the release notes from wiki to CVS/DocBook. According to the schedule, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule, the wiki freeze for the release notes is the 16th of March. Before the content is moved into CVS, the wiki content needs to be edited for clarity, grammar, and to make sure the correct tags (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki) are being used. I can start going over these (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Beats). Maybe if others are helping, they could post to the list and let everyone else know which sections they were looking at. Thanks a lot for your help! Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 10:40:04 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:40:04 +1000 Subject: automatically generate includes for publican Message-ID: <95f1114b0803100340q1d4b991bh9bf8551cdb2cf03b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Chris Curran kindly gave me a script today that will automatically generate xi include directives, as used by publican in the [book_name].xml file. I found this was good for getting existing docs ready for publican. The script can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MurrayMcAllister If you can't wait, it is also here: #!/bin/sh for i in $( ls ); do if [[ "$i" == *.xml ]]; then echo -en "\074xi\072include href=\042" echo -n $i echo -e "\042 xmlns\072xi\075\042http\072\057\057www\056w3\056org\00572001\057XInclude\042 \057\076" fi done Thanks Chris! Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Mar 10 10:51:26 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:51:26 +0900 Subject: DuG shifting to XML Message-ID: <1205146286.3038.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> We are starting to get ready for shifting the pages to XML. How do I do that because I would like to learn how to do it. Setting up the build files etc. Make blah blah. Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 11:26:37 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:26:37 +1000 Subject: Release note beats for F9? In-Reply-To: <1204679723.25536.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803041529i74a215f9sa007c7fdc1f72c93@mail.gmail.com> <1204679723.25536.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803100426r20531943t855d13054cfea1ab@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Thanks everyone for your help so far. I have left a few questions in line: On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 09:29 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > Probably correct. In the past Karsten and I -- for the most part -- > > > took care of organizing the Release Notes and the Installation Guide. > > > Speaking in shame only for myself, I haven't spent much time on looking > > > at Docs Project schedule adherence over the past month or so. > > > > > > The things that need to happen: > > > > > > * Check schedule to make sure it agrees with reality, since it was > > > drafted some time ago. Is this the schedule: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule Is one day (between the 16th and 17th of March), enough time to convert the wiki to docbook? Or should the wiki freeze take place earlier, in case there are any issues? > > > > > > * Send additional messages to f-devel-l to get community members to > > > write information on the wiki under Docs/Beats/* for their desired > > > areas. I think I did this here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-March/msg00049.html > > > > > > * Update the DocsDict page as needed, and clear out old content in each > > > Beat, while retaining the new, using the page's "Get Info" history as a > > > clue on how to preserve data. Is this it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsDict I'm not sure what this is, or what is required... > > > > > > * Find a responsible maintainer in the Docs community who will be > > > accountable for Release Notes content conversion, tracking, and > > > packaging. That person will need to make noise and get Docs > > > contributors to assist as needed. I'll make myself available to help. This was my plan for the release notes, please advise if it is wrong/will make everything explode: 1. checkout release-notes/devel (I did this earlier). 2. follow the instructions here: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/release-notes/devel/xmlbeats/steps-to-convert-FC7.txt?root=docs&view=markup Massive kudos to the people who made those scripts possible! 3. chuck the xml files in the release-notes/devel/en_US directory 4. make pot (?) 5. commit. Thanks again for your help. Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com Mon Mar 10 16:18:04 2008 From: jonathan.roberts.uk at googlemail.com (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:18:04 +0000 Subject: Beta Release Notes - FINAL EDIT NEEDED Message-ID: <3263b11b0803100918g7a3c9d0cr724e56aab0478716@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Does anybody have a spare half an hour to go through the Beta release notes and tidy it up? I think most of the content we need is there (even if it's not all there, we've got pretty good coverage) but there's just one or two sections that need changing from long bulleted lists with esoteric iamext4developer bits and bobs that need tidying before release. I'm feeling pretty swamped myself just now as it's the last week of term and there seems to be a million things to do before going home on Thursday! If it can wait until the weekend then I should be able to do it then, but if somebody else has the time to tidy things you'd be a hero :) Many thanks, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 18:34:14 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:34:14 -0700 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:31 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER > complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, > and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. > > Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to > do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? We could use a nifty table like the "Status of Edits" section on the front of the DUG pages, to keep track of who is editing whatever. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Mar 10 18:36:01 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:36:01 -0700 Subject: Announcing FAS2 Tests! In-Reply-To: <7a41c4bc0803060022u794dc9cayfb1f2b31a04d74a3@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204747413.3074.0.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <20080305201213.GI16254@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> <1204751093.3074.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <5bddd8fd0803052152r1a81099o4bc7680a51c363ce@mail.gmail.com> <7a41c4bc0803060022u794dc9cayfb1f2b31a04d74a3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205174161.1101.122.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 09:22 +0100, Paulo Santos wrote: > When you create a new Fedora Account, you dont have any > @fedoraproject.org on your email, since that will be created prior to > the account creation. I think Mike, Toshio and Ricky are trying to > prevent exactly this :) > > Of course I might be wrong... You've got it right. @fedoraproject.org is not an actual mail box (nor should it ever be), so it is not legitimate to use it for your Fedora project email. It is just an alias to _another_ mail box, which must be listed when you create an account. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 19:19:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:19:53 +0000 Subject: Release note beats for F9? In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803100426r20531943t855d13054cfea1ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <1204333593.3921.100.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803041529i74a215f9sa007c7fdc1f72c93@mail.gmail.com> <1204679723.25536.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803100426r20531943t855d13054cfea1ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205176793.27990.168.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 21:26 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks everyone for your help so far. I have left a few questions in line: > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 09:29 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 11:06 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > > Probably correct. In the past Karsten and I -- for the most part -- > > > > took care of organizing the Release Notes and the Installation Guide. > > > > Speaking in shame only for myself, I haven't spent much time on looking > > > > at Docs Project schedule adherence over the past month or so. > > > > > > > > The things that need to happen: > > > > > > > > * Check schedule to make sure it agrees with reality, since it was > > > > drafted some time ago. > > Is this the schedule: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule > > Is one day (between the 16th and 17th of March), enough time to > convert the wiki to docbook? Or should the wiki freeze take place > earlier, in case there are any issues? We've been able to do this in the past -- I think if a couple people make themselves available to advise and help you, it can get done. What we need to do now is establish when you're going to want to do this, and coordinate that with those people's schedules given the timezone difference. Fortunately, this schedule has us freezing on a Sunday evening (for most of North America), and converting by Monday evening (again, NA). That makes this an opportune time for American Docs people to make themselves available to help. I can commit to being around and helping at any time Sunday, and Monday for that matter. The work to do during that time is to check and fix the XML tagging of the beats once they are committed to CVS. > > > > * Send additional messages to f-devel-l to get community members to > > > > write information on the wiki under Docs/Beats/* for their desired > > > > areas. > > I think I did this here: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-March/msg00049.html Actually no -- that was a message to the fedora-*docs*-list asking people to help. What is also needed is a message to fedora-*DEVEL*-list to remind community members to write any information into the wiki that they'd like to make it into the release notes. > > > > > > > > * Update the DocsDict page as needed, and clear out old content in each > > > > Beat, while retaining the new, using the page's "Get Info" history as a > > > > clue on how to preserve data. > > Is this it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsDict > > I'm not sure what this is, or what is required... Just an update to the version numbers shown in that page. These are referenced elsewhere in the beats themselves using wiki macros. For example, the wiki macro: [[GetVal(DocsDict,BeatsVer)]] Yields the text: 9 We would use this particular entry in the beats often, like this: There is lots to love in Fedora [[GetVal(DocsDict,BeatsVer)]]. Which yields: There is lots to love in Fedora 9. The other DocsDict entries are for specific subsystem versions (GNOME, KDE, httpd, etc.), and should be updated similarly based on Rawhide repository contents for now. > > > > > > > > * Find a responsible maintainer in the Docs community who will be > > > > accountable for Release Notes content conversion, tracking, and > > > > packaging. That person will need to make noise and get Docs > > > > contributors to assist as needed. I'll make myself available to help. > > This was my plan for the release notes, please advise if it is > wrong/will make everything explode: > > 1. checkout release-notes/devel (I did this earlier). > 2. follow the instructions here: > http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/release-notes/devel/xmlbeats/steps-to-convert-FC7.txt?root=docs&view=markup > > Massive kudos to the people who made those scripts possible! > > 3. chuck the xml files in the release-notes/devel/en_US directory > 4. make pot (?) > 5. commit. > > Thanks again for your help. This won't make things explode, but there are some things you'll want to make sure are finished first: -1. Make sure Beats are made ready properly, with old content removed, and new content copy- and markup-edited, to make the XML conversion easier. -0. Compare Beats that don't change often (Overview? Colophon? others?) and make a list of them. Avoid committing new ugly XML versions over top of old but still 95% useful versions, since then you have to go through a bunch of retagging that's already been done before. Instead, simply hand-edit in small changes to make life easier on translators (the more strings that stay the same, the easier their lives are). This is very much like what you would do for the F9 GA release notes, when updating them from the F9 PR versions. 1. ... continue as above ... -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 00:30:23 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:30:23 -0400 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 11:34 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:31 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER > > complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, > > and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. > > > > Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to > > do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? > > We could use a nifty table like the "Status of Edits" section on the > front of the DUG pages, to keep track of who is editing whatever. Good thinking, that. (As usual.) I've made a skeleton at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus Clint was going to fill it in last I heard. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 02:09:18 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:09:18 -0600 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: > > > Good thinking, that. (As usual.) I've made a skeleton at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus > > Clint was going to fill it in last I heard. > Done, feel free to update at will. Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 09:46:59 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:46:59 +1000 Subject: Wiki changes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95f1114b0803110246l5cba7409yd35c349cfe7d5e5d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 3:36 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > I'm making some more wiki tweaks today, if you're a regular wiki user > please stop by #fedora-admin and let me know how its going. Basically I'm > allowing more processes to run but for a shorter amount of time. This > will cause the longer running threads to be killed much sooner and should > free up resources for the normal day-to-day stuff that has been suffering > over the last couple of weeks. I'm looking into why we've had more > timeouts recently though I suspect its because the release is close, more > people are editing and using the wiki. > > Please let me know what your experiences are with the wiki over the next > couple of days. > > -Mike I have only been able to save a wiki change once today, and now I can't get any pages to load. Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 11 10:18:22 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:18:22 +0900 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 20:30 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 11:34 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:31 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER > > > complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, > > > and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. > > > > > > Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to > > > do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? > > > > We could use a nifty table like the "Status of Edits" section on the > > front of the DUG pages, to keep track of who is editing whatever. > > Good thinking, that. (As usual.) I've made a skeleton at: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus > > Clint was going to fill it in last I heard. Does all of the beats need to be done by F9? Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 11 10:18:46 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 19:18:46 +0900 Subject: DuG shifting to XML In-Reply-To: <1205146286.3038.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205146286.3038.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205230726.3189.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 19:51 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > We are starting to get ready for shifting the pages to XML. How do I do > that because I would like to learn how to do it. > > Setting up the build files etc. Make blah blah. > > Cheers, > > Marc > Can I bump this please so I can learn and contribute that little bit more. Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 11:17:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:17:06 -0400 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:18 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 20:30 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 11:34 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:31 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER > > > > complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, > > > > and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. > > > > > > > > Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to > > > > do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? > > > > > > We could use a nifty table like the "Status of Edits" section on the > > > front of the DUG pages, to keep track of who is editing whatever. > > > > Good thinking, that. (As usual.) I've made a skeleton at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus > > > > Clint was going to fill it in last I heard. > > Does all of the beats need to be done by F9? Of course! These are the Release Notes, after all. ;-) -- Paul W. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 11 12:38:57 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:38:57 +0900 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 07:17 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:18 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 20:30 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 11:34 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2008-03-06 at 19:31 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I have marked the DNS guide edit-ready. So, it is not SUPER > > > > > complete...but I'll only be adding a few little bits here and there, > > > > > and I didn't want to hold everyone up with those. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for not reading the wiki: is there anything more I'm supposed to > > > > > do now, such as cleaning up the wiki > docbook conversion? > > > > > > > > We could use a nifty table like the "Status of Edits" section on the > > > > front of the DUG pages, to keep track of who is editing whatever. > > > > > > Good thinking, that. (As usual.) I've made a skeleton at: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus > > > > > > Clint was going to fill it in last I heard. > > > > Does all of the beats need to be done by F9? > > Of course! These are the Release Notes, after all. ;-) Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 11 13:36:31 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 22:36:31 +0900 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> > > Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. > > Cheers, > > Marc > I found this on the wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML Is that how to do it? Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 14:46:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:46:57 +0000 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:36 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. > > I found this on the wiki > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML > > Is that how to do it? You'll need to coordinate this work with Murray McAllister. He raised his hand first to drive the process for F9. :-) Come by #fedora-docs for more information and make sure you ping both him and me (or quaid if I'm not around). -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 11 16:07:09 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:07:09 -0700 Subject: DuG shifting to XML In-Reply-To: <1205230726.3189.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205146286.3038.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230726.3189.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205251629.1101.196.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 19:18 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 19:51 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > We are starting to get ready for shifting the pages to XML. How do I do > > that because I would like to learn how to do it. > > > > Setting up the build files etc. Make blah blah. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > Can I bump this please so I can learn and contribute that little bit > more. In this case, there is an existing module in CVS, so that makes it easier to start (and learn from.) You need to check out 'desktop-user-guide' and all work is in the /devel folder (branch.) What is good here is that the basic structure, Makefile, and special XML files are in there to tweak. From there, we'll need to remove files that no longer count, and replace ones that do count. I'd reckon that it may *not* be worth saving the existing XML, however you might know that some content is worth saving. Hmm, I just updated and the /devel directory is fully empty. You might want to pull in some pieces from the F-8/ branch. Copy stuff over to /devel, add it to CVS, and be ready for conversion. We can then start converting the chapters that are ready at any time. That's the part, to start, where you'll need some help. People experienced in that include myself, Paul, Jared Smith (jsmith), and Bart Couvreur (couf). This is the fun part! 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bob at fedoraunity.org Tue Mar 11 20:31:09 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 15:31:09 -0500 Subject: Linking to information contained in not yet installed files Message-ID: <47D6EC0D.5050405@fedoraunity.org> Below is a log snip from an IRC conversation trying to come up with an idea to get information to users who do not yet have an installed system. 20080311:14:58:32 Current Book, install-guide - Current File, adminoptions.xml - Gobby --> hamshack.bobjensen.com (until we get our ducks in a row) the second added tip "Kernel Boot Options" 20080311:14:59:24 what is the best way to deal with this file, the reader will not yet have a running system to have this file 20080311:15:02:43 * tombolinux has quit ("Ciaoo") 20080311:15:03:34 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred at unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-docs 20080311:15:03:56 20080311:15:03:56 Kernel Boot Options 20080311:15:03:56 20080311:15:03:56 The full list of kernel options is in the file 20080311:15:03:56 /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-version/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt, 20080311:15:03:56 which is installed with the kernel-doc package. 20080311:15:03:56 20080311:15:03:56 20080311:15:04:49 they won't yet have that file at this point in the guide? 20080311:15:04:55 right 20080311:15:05:40 1.) should we publish this with the guide, 2.) publish it externally to the guide? 20080311:15:05:56 ok, the challenge is ... if we link out to it, we have something new to maintain 20080311:15:06:12 at least if it's in the guide, we can update it for each release 20080311:15:06:18 20080311:15:06:18 The anaconda installer has many boot options, most are listed on 20080311:15:06:18 the wiki . 20080311:15:06:18 20080311:15:06:21 (specifying where it came from leaves us a clue to follow) 20080311:15:06:27 right, like that 20080311:15:06:33 is someone maintaining Anaconda/Options? 20080311:15:06:36 we hope so ... 20080311:15:06:40 that is owned by anaconda 20080311:15:06:48 you have to assume that they are reading the guide to install so no have the file 20080311:15:06:52 Anaconda/Options (last edited 2008-02-14 06:11:21 by JoelGranados) 20080311:15:06:54 I got the link from jeremy so I hope so 20080311:15:06:55 ok, that's good 20080311:15:07:26 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#head-5880fcaae620309a0c00f6778726b632819bab1a 20080311:15:07:41 that is where I grabbed the kernel options info 20080311:15:08:09 ok, hmm 20080311:15:08:30 let's copy and paste the list from kernel-parameters.txt into a CDATA block 20080311:15:08:34 makes it easy to maintain, etc. 20080311:15:08:38 and publish that 20080311:15:08:39 ? 20080311:15:09:50 heh, kernel-doc isn't installed by default anyway 20080311:15:09:50 it is ~100 pages 20080311:15:09:53 * jmtaylor is now known as jmtaylor_afk 20080311:15:09:55 wow 20080311:15:10:12 appendix? heh heh 20080311:15:10:15 LOL 20080311:15:10:42 could we link to the cvsview? 20080311:15:10:53 only 63K 20080311:15:11:20 We should be able to but that is new to me 20080311:15:12:36 Or do we craft a "common" kernel options page that links to the installed kernel-doc file? 20080311:15:12:58 the problem is the versioning 20080311:15:12:58 that is something we should really have anyhow IMO 20080311:15:13:06 quaid, it seems it is not i just had to install it 20080311:15:13:20 the doc might be different for each version of the kernel 20080311:15:13:22 Southern_Gentlem: it is not installed by default 20080311:15:13:34 thats what i am saying 20080311:15:13:38 me too! 20080311:15:13:52 at 3.0 MiB I can understand why 20080311:15:14:14 * daMaestro (n=jon at fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-docs 20080311:15:14:25 One way to find out, I will ask cebbert 20080311:15:14:35 if the doc changes 20080311:15:15:54 We don't want to put that doc in the Installation Guide, definitely a link. 20080311:15:16:15 +1 stickster 20080311:15:16:21 Unless someone wants to go through the whole "how do we put GPL-licensed stuff in an OPL doc" issue again. 20080311:15:16:24 * daMaestro has quit (Client Quit) 20080311:15:16:33 Speaking for myself, no thanks. 20080311:15:16:39 oh, right 20080311:15:17:21 yeah +1 from me 20080311:15:18:35 well I will let this rest for now the way we have it, broken as it is IMO, I have pinged cebbert and will ping Dave Jones next time i see him until I get an answer of some sort. 20080311:15:19:09 ping linville as well 20080311:15:19:10 right 20080311:15:19:21 next best would be if they would agree to maintain a page such as Kernel/Parameters 20080311:15:19:33 that can link out to some kernel.org page or something 20080311:15:19:36 Yeah 20080311:15:20:02 for the record 20080311:15:20:03 cebbert: working on the install guide, looking at /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.24/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt we are wondering if that list is static enough to create a "common options" page to go along with the anaconda page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Options 20080311:15:20:28 that should get the ball rolling 20080311:15:21:16 Southern_Gentlem: I will ask John if I do not get anything from jones and cebbert in the next day 20080311:15:21:23 * daMaestro (n=jon at fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-docs 20080311:15:22:07 linville is in the Amateur Radio SIG... brownie points I hope 20080311:15:22:54 * EvilBob grabs all of this for an email -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 11 22:29:53 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 08:29:53 +1000 Subject: package changes for fedora 9 release notes Message-ID: <95f1114b0803111529k5950cfa5wb1305c03031029e3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Does anyone know what is happening with http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/PackageChanges ? As far as I know, it is generated by a script at the last minute. Is this going to happen again, or are there any 'magic' koji links that can be used? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 12 00:07:06 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:07:06 -0700 Subject: wiki2xml page drafted Message-ID: <1205280426.1101.305.camel@calliope.phig.org> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML That came from some notes drafted via gobby while on IRC with Marc and Murray today. Bart, Jared -- you have some notes or changes to add to that? It's just my first pass into it; feel free to dump there. Anyone else with stuff to fix or add in there? -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 02:09:32 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:09:32 +1000 Subject: correct use of bulleted lists Message-ID: <95f1114b0803111909s2651e1e6h8f7bfb852cefee38@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What is the correct way to use bulleted lists? When a list starts with a colon: * start sentences with lower case. * and use a period at the end. What is everyone else using? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 03:55:47 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:55:47 -0400 Subject: package changes for fedora 9 release notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803111529k5950cfa5wb1305c03031029e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803111529k5950cfa5wb1305c03031029e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205294147.18351.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 08:29 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know what is happening with > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/PackageChanges ? As far as I > know, it is generated by a script at the last minute. Is this going to > happen again, or are there any 'magic' koji links that can be used? > > Thanks, > > Murray. This is a page that will probably not change in XML in the CVS repository. We link instead, to a page on the wiki where the script's last-minute output can be pasted. Putting this info directly in the release notes makes them insanely big, multiplied by the number of translations we ship since that info is carried in all of them. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 03:59:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:59:07 -0400 Subject: correct use of bulleted lists In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803111909s2651e1e6h8f7bfb852cefee38@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803111909s2651e1e6h8f7bfb852cefee38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205294347.18351.60.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:09 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > What is the correct way to use bulleted lists? > > When a list starts with a colon: > > * start sentences with lower case. > > * and use a period at the end. > > What is everyone else using? I believe our usage is to: * Capitalize and use periods when the list items are complete sentences. * Make them agree so that there aren't a mixture of sentences and fragments. You could also have a list: * that was lowercase and not punctuated * that again doesn't mix forms Make sense? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 07:35:26 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:26 +1000 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:36 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > > > Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. > > > > > I found this on the wiki > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML > > > > Is that how to do it? > > You'll need to coordinate this work with Murray McAllister. He raised > his hand first to drive the process for F9. :-) Come by #fedora-docs > for more information and make sure you ping both him and me (or quaid if > I'm not around). > > > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > Hi Mark, Thanks for your help this morning. Currently people are working from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus to clean up the current wiki content. The wiki freezes at 2359 UTC on 2008-03-16, and will be unfrozen at some point after 2359 UTC 2008-03-17 (see https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00878.html for further details). With regards to converting from wiki to docbook, would it make sense to have one person checkout release-notes-devel, convert, check-in, then coordinate with each other about which pages we are looking at? What are your thoughts? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 07:35:52 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:35:52 +1000 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803120035w3455bc50m978bf851d380ea05@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for spelling your name wrong, Marc. Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 12 11:19:23 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:19:23 +0900 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205320764.3189.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 17:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:36 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. > > > > > > > > I found this on the wiki > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML > > > > > > Is that how to do it? > > > > You'll need to coordinate this work with Murray McAllister. He raised > > his hand first to drive the process for F9. :-) Come by #fedora-docs > > for more information and make sure you ping both him and me (or quaid if > > I'm not around). > > > > > > > > -- > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > > Hi Mark, > > Thanks for your help this morning. Currently people are working from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus to clean up the current > wiki content. The wiki freezes at 2359 UTC on 2008-03-16, and will be > unfrozen at some point after 2359 > UTC 2008-03-17 (see > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00878.html > for further details). > > With regards to converting from wiki to docbook, would it make sense > to have one person checkout release-notes-devel, convert, check-in, > then coordinate with each other about which pages we are looking at? > > What are your thoughts? > > Thanks, > > Murray. I'm easy either way it's really up to you since your the lead on this as far as what I can tell since your owning it. I would prefer you tell me what you need me to do since you will have the overall understanding of what is going on. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 12 11:20:12 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:20:12 +0900 Subject: wiki2xml page drafted In-Reply-To: <1205280426.1101.305.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205280426.1101.305.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205320812.3189.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 17:07 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML > > That came from some notes drafted via gobby while on IRC with Marc and > Murray today. > > Bart, Jared -- you have some notes or changes to add to that? It's just > my first pass into it; feel free to dump there. > > Anyone else with stuff to fix or add in there? > Thank you for this. I managed to get you guys cornered to force you to give me info and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 12:06:45 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 22:06:45 +1000 Subject: converting from the wiki to docbook In-Reply-To: <1205320764.3189.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803060131j48e1d345h9af56f1d6877702e@mail.gmail.com> <1205174054.1101.118.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205195423.4555.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205230702.3189.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205234226.27573.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205239137.3189.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205242592.3189.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205246817.3965.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803120035w56bda139p2e0532ca3e371d3d@mail.gmail.com> <1205320764.3189.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803120506i596a8fd6hcbe4f029b8a99b74@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 17:35 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 22:36 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Great, so how do I transfer to xml etc. > > > > > > > > > > > I found this on the wiki > > > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Tools/Wiki2XML > > > > > > > > Is that how to do it? > > > > > > You'll need to coordinate this work with Murray McAllister. He raised > > > his hand first to drive the process for F9. :-) Come by #fedora-docs > > > for more information and make sure you ping both him and me (or quaid if > > > I'm not around). > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > > > > > Hi Mark, > > > > Thanks for your help this morning. Currently people are working from > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus to clean up the current > > wiki content. The wiki freezes at 2359 UTC on 2008-03-16, and will be > > unfrozen at some point after 2359 > > UTC 2008-03-17 (see > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-March/msg00878.html > > for further details). > > > > With regards to converting from wiki to docbook, would it make sense > > to have one person checkout release-notes-devel, convert, check-in, > > then coordinate with each other about which pages we are looking at? > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Murray. > > I'm easy either way it's really up to you since your the lead on this as > far as what I can tell since your owning it. > > I would prefer you tell me what you need me to do since you will have > the overall understanding of what is going on. > > > > Cheers, > > Marc > Thanks, if you ask me, I still think the last people who did it owns it ;) I don't have a great understanding, just a heap of notes after bugging everyone :) . At the moment, I'm using the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus page to keep track of the Beats before converting. The idea seems to be to check when it was last edited, and see if there is any old content that should be removed; however, for the preview notes, I don't see this step as being vital, since people can say "this is old" afterwards, and the old content can be removed before GA. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML is a good reference to check each page. If you want to add "Docs/Beats.*" and "Docs/Beat.*" to your watch list, you will be able to see if anyone adds anything at the last minute. I have been leaving notes on BeatsStatus to try and remind me what to do. If a page hasn't changed much, to save having to recheck the markup, you can just fix/make additions to the existing ones, which will also save converting again. I haven't checked the pages Karsten made from gobby today...I have a heap of notes, so if anything is missing, I'll try to add them soon. I think basic process (please correct if wrong) is as follows: 1. clean up existing content (make sure markup/grammar/etc is correct: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML) 2. after the freeze, check out release-notes-devel from CVS. 3. Follow the steps here to create a beats folder, pull down the current wiki, and then convert to xml: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/release-notes/devel/xmlbeats/steps-to-convert-FC7.txt?root=docs&view=markup (the beatconvert and xmlfix tools are in the release-notes-devel/release-notes/xmlbeats/ directory). 4. check BeatsStatus to see which pages have already been fixed/tagged, and add additions where required... 5. check the tags on newly converted pages. 6 run "make pot" 7. check into CVS and notify l10n. There is 1 day (between 2359 UTC on 2008-03-16 and 2359 UTC 2008-03-17) for steps 2-7. Maybe before then, we could decide what pages (XML) we want to do, or just let everyone else know which ones we are looking at... I hope some of that made sense. Please let me know if it didn't. Thanks again for your help. Kind Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 12 12:43:33 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:43:33 +0900 Subject: Commits Message-ID: <1205325813.3189.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey All, For some reason my commits are working but I'm getting an error for the sendmail section after it. The error I'm getting is as follows: [marc at localhost en_US]$ fedocs; cvs commit desktop-user-guide.xml RCS file: /cvs/docs/desktop-user-guide/devel/en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml,v done Checking in desktop-user-guide.xml; /cvs/docs/desktop-user-guide/devel/en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml,v <-- desktop-user-guide.xml initial revision: 1.1 done Running syncmail... Mailing relnotes at fedoraproject.org... ...syncmail done. Running syncmail... Mailing cvsdocs at fedoraproject.org... ...syncmail done. sendmail: Could not find password entry for UID 100718 [marc at localhost en_US]$ Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 16:51:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:51:20 +0000 Subject: Commits In-Reply-To: <1205325813.3189.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205325813.3189.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205340680.18351.179.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 21:43 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey All, > > For some reason my commits are working but I'm getting an error for the > sendmail section after it. The error I'm getting is as follows: > > [marc at localhost en_US]$ fedocs; cvs commit desktop-user-guide.xml > RCS > file: /cvs/docs/desktop-user-guide/devel/en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml,v > done > Checking in desktop-user-guide.xml; > /cvs/docs/desktop-user-guide/devel/en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml,v <-- > desktop-user-guide.xml > initial revision: 1.1 > done > Running syncmail... > Mailing relnotes at fedoraproject.org... > ...syncmail done. > Running syncmail... > Mailing cvsdocs at fedoraproject.org... > ...syncmail done. > sendmail: Could not find password entry for UID 100718 > [marc at localhost en_US]$ There's FAS2 problems currently. Listen in on #fedora-admin, but don't bother telling the admins again, they already know about it. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From davidsonpaulo at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 17:02:02 2008 From: davidsonpaulo at gmail.com (Davidson Rodrigues Paulo) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:02:02 -0300 Subject: Fedora Project Brazil releases online magazine Message-ID: Hi, We are proud to announce the release of the first issue of Revista Fedora Brasil (Fedora Brazil Magazine), an online magazine about Fedora made by Brazilian Ambassadors and Linux community members for those who speak Portuguese. Starting our release cicle, we've choosen "Fedora 8" as the cover story and central theme of the magazine, including articles about system-config-firewall and IcedTea. We also included an interview with FAmSCo member Rodrigo Padula, a column by Igor Soares and some Fedora news selected by Rodrigo Menezes and his team. Official release announce: * http://projetofedora.org/node/424 Download it now (PDF, 5.1 MB): * http://www.projetofedora.org/revista/arquivos/RevistaFedoraBrasil001.pdf We hope we have been done a good job, but we know we can do even better. To make this possible, we are working to turn easy for our readers to send comments, sugestions and, of course, content to be published. Any feedback will be very welcome. Thanks, -- Davidson Paulo Fedora Brazil Magazine, Editor-In-Chief Linux System Administrator LPI Certified Level 1: LPI000132770 Brazilian Fedora Ambassador http://daveandnaty.blogspot.com/ http://davidsonenatalia.blogspot.com/ From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 12 17:57:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 10:57:22 -0700 Subject: meeting time forgetfulness Message-ID: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> IIRC, we set the meetings to have alternate times: Even-numbered weeks == 1900 UTC Wed. Odd-numbered weeks == 1500 UTC Sat. Is this still true? I think we have been sticking with one specific time out of habit and forgetfulness. It seems we are also regularly missing folks from the meeting, and I wonder if it is because of not having the Saturday time? What to do? -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 18:02:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:02:17 +0000 Subject: meeting time forgetfulness In-Reply-To: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205344937.18351.187.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 10:57 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > IIRC, we set the meetings to have alternate times: > > Even-numbered weeks == 1900 UTC Wed. > Odd-numbered weeks == 1500 UTC Sat. > > Is this still true? > > I think we have been sticking with one specific time out of habit and > forgetfulness. It seems we are also regularly missing folks from the > meeting, and I wonder if it is because of not having the Saturday time? > > What to do? Could be. Saturdays are tougher for me now, ironically, but I can try to do them whenever possible on the alternating weeks. If our missing folks say the word, we should try and accommodate them. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully Wed. continues to be good for e.g. Bart and Dimitris. - Karsten On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 18:02 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 10:57 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > IIRC, we set the meetings to have alternate times: > > > > Even-numbered weeks == 1900 UTC Wed. > > Odd-numbered weeks == 1500 UTC Sat. > > > > Is this still true? > > > > I think we have been sticking with one specific time out of habit and > > forgetfulness. It seems we are also regularly missing folks from the > > meeting, and I wonder if it is because of not having the Saturday time? > > > > What to do? > > Could be. Saturdays are tougher for me now, ironically, but I can try > to do them whenever possible on the alternating weeks. If our missing > folks say the word, we should try and accommodate them. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 12:09 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > What is the correct way to use bulleted lists? > > > > When a list starts with a colon: > > > > * start sentences with lower case. > > > > * and use a period at the end. > > > > What is everyone else using? > > I believe our usage is to: > > * Capitalize and use periods when the list items are complete sentences. > * Make them agree so that there aren't a mixture of sentences and > fragments. > > You could also have a list: > * that was lowercase and not punctuated > * that again doesn't mix forms > > Make sense? Now made permanent in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide/QuickReference. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From couf at skynet.be Wed Mar 12 20:58:13 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:58:13 +0100 Subject: meeting time forgetfulness In-Reply-To: <1205347679.15179.56.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205344937.18351.187.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205347679.15179.56.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1205355493.27262.6.camel@versuz> Op woensdag 12-03-2008 om 11:47 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Karsten 'quaid' Wade: > We had further discussions on IRC. Here are the highlights: > > * Saturday was mainly for Jared > * Ironically, Wed. is now better for Jared > * If we follow UTC and ignore DST, we have the meeting at 1900 on Wed. > * This is a clear slot in the meeting channel, so no need to rotate due > to that > * All in favor on channel were: John, Paul, and Ringo, uh, I mean, > Karsten > > So ... we're going to meet today anyway and not do Saturday meetings. > Hopefully Wed. continues to be good for e.g. Bart and Dimitris. > > - Karsten > Wed. should be good for me most weeks, so I'm fine with that decision. Had a couple of rough weeks, should be clearing up pretty much next weeks. Bart -- Bart key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Dit berichtdeel is digitaal ondertekend URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Wed Mar 12 21:07:09 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:07:09 +0300 Subject: meeting time forgetfulness In-Reply-To: <1205355493.27262.6.camel@versuz> References: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205344937.18351.187.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205347679.15179.56.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205355493.27262.6.camel@versuz> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803121407s15fcf5d2v1d117f0ad8c894ba@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Bart Couvreur wrote: > > Op woensdag 12-03-2008 om 11:47 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Karsten > 'quaid' Wade: > > > We had further discussions on IRC. Here are the highlights: > > > > * Saturday was mainly for Jared > > * Ironically, Wed. is now better for Jared > > * If we follow UTC and ignore DST, we have the meeting at 1900 on Wed. > > * This is a clear slot in the meeting channel, so no need to rotate due > > to that > > * All in favor on channel were: John, Paul, and Ringo, uh, I mean, > > Karsten > > > > So ... we're going to meet today anyway and not do Saturday meetings. > > Hopefully Wed. continues to be good for e.g. Bart and Dimitris. > > > > - Karsten > > > > Wed. should be good for me most weeks, so I'm fine with that decision. > Had a couple of rough weeks, should be clearing up pretty much next > weeks. > > Bart Just remembered that I'll will be traveling next Wednesday at meeting time, but I should be fine after that. Best Regards, John Babich World Traveler From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 12 21:48:01 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 06:48:01 +0900 Subject: wiki2xml page drafted In-Reply-To: <1205320812.3189.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205280426.1101.305.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205320812.3189.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205358481.3189.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 20:20 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 17:07 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML > > > > That came from some notes drafted via gobby while on IRC with Marc and > > Murray today. > > > > Bart, Jared -- you have some notes or changes to add to that? It's just > > my first pass into it; feel free to dump there. > > > > Anyone else with stuff to fix or add in there? > > > > Thank you for this. I managed to get you guys cornered to force you to > give me info and I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. > > Cheers, > > Marc > I thought there were scripts to have the emphasis found etc or am I dreaming? Cheers, Marc From bob at fedoraunity.org Wed Mar 12 22:27:58 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:27:58 -0500 Subject: meeting time forgetfulness In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803121407s15fcf5d2v1d117f0ad8c894ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <1205344642.15179.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205344937.18351.187.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205347679.15179.56.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1205355493.27262.6.camel@versuz> <9d2c731f0803121407s15fcf5d2v1d117f0ad8c894ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D858EE.2030103@fedoraunity.org> John Babich wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Bart Couvreur wrote: >> Op woensdag 12-03-2008 om 11:47 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Karsten >> 'quaid' Wade: >> >>> We had further discussions on IRC. Here are the highlights: >> > >> > * Saturday was mainly for Jared >> > * Ironically, Wed. is now better for Jared >> > * If we follow UTC and ignore DST, we have the meeting at 1900 on Wed. >> > * This is a clear slot in the meeting channel, so no need to rotate due >> > to that >> > * All in favor on channel were: John, Paul, and Ringo, uh, I mean, >> > Karsten >> > >> > So ... we're going to meet today anyway and not do Saturday meetings. >> > Hopefully Wed. continues to be good for e.g. Bart and Dimitris. >> > >> > - Karsten >> > >> >> Wed. should be good for me most weeks, so I'm fine with that decision. >> Had a couple of rough weeks, should be clearing up pretty much next >> weeks. >> >> Bart > > Just remembered that I'll will be traveling next Wednesday at meeting > time, but I should be fine after that. > > Best Regards, > > John Babich > World Traveler > Sorry I missed this week's meeting I was out of the office. Normally Wednesdays are good for me. -- 73, Robert 'Bob' Jensen KC0WYC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIG/AmateurRadio http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/hams/ http://lists.fedoraunity.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-hams From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 13 01:38:59 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:38:59 -0700 Subject: new wiki hierarchies scheme Message-ID: <1205372339.31045.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening#New_Organizational_Scheme I think this represents the state of the conversation. While Paul makes a point that a wiki with proper indexing and search doesn't have to care about hierarchies, I'm certain it matters that we define a standard. Why? * People want to follow a pattern; not everyone, but enough people. If we give them a template to follow, they will, and it will help make things just that much easier to create and find content. * Hierarchies help identify holes in content. * It helps the army of wiki watchers we need to recruit (aka WikiAntz) So, presuming we are going to lead this wiki guardian charge and presuming my ideas there are sound, how does this New_Organizational_Scheme seem to you? -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example, when you have a tag like this in the XML: foo ... that renders as italics: /foo/. But what is it? According to our technical markup rules: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms ... italics represent multiple contexts that in DocBook would be: etc. All of this is covered here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML#Wiki_markup_output_to_XML,_mapped_to_DocBook_XML The only way to be sure of what is marked up properly is to follow these steps: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Wiki2XML#Processing_DocBook_Pages ... which I just added to the pages. Summary -- go through each file, doing search and manual replace. It's really not so bad to do, although it sounds like it is. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 13 02:00:20 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 19:00:20 -0700 Subject: Wordsmithing needed! In-Reply-To: <1205351777.18351.217.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205351777.18351.217.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205373620.31045.45.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-03-12 at 15:56 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Karsten and I are the only people who have signed up for, or completed, > any editorial duties for the Desktop User Guide. At the very least, we > know there are other good wordsmithing editors on this page, even if you > don't know the least bit about how to fix the technical markup on the > wiki. > > Nevertheless, all these things are documented already on the wiki: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide - wordsmithing > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Marking_Technical_Terms - wiki > markup In particular, here is a list of the most commonly used sections when editing, under step 2. "Edit document to confirm it matches:" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML Thanks in advance, - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 09:34:40 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:34:40 +0300 Subject: new wiki hierarchies scheme In-Reply-To: <1205372339.31045.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205372339.31045.29.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803130234r28d7b3d1tfaaf9a21a473d475@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 4:38 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WikiGardening#New_Organizational_Scheme > > I think this represents the state of the conversation. > > While Paul makes a point that a wiki with proper indexing and search > doesn't have to care about hierarchies, I'm certain it matters that we > define a standard. Why? > > * People want to follow a pattern; not everyone, but enough people. If > we give them a template to follow, they will, and it will help make > things just that much easier to create and find content. > > * Hierarchies help identify holes in content. > > * It helps the army of wiki watchers we need to recruit (aka WikiAntz) > > So, presuming we are going to lead this wiki guardian charge and > presuming my ideas there are sound, how does this > New_Organizational_Scheme seem to you? > > -- I see it this way: 1. Strong search engine technology helps people locate information on our wiki much more quickly nd accurately, as long as we ensure that the wiki and formal docs are search-friendly. 2. As was pointed out by Karsten, we mere mortals like an organized hierarchy, if for no other reason than to spot the gaps and fill them in. People like patterns. Best Regards, John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project From jmbabich at gmail.com Thu Mar 13 10:28:21 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:28:21 +0300 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-12 IRC Log Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803130328v1fed8979x2b0398036d338ee7@mail.gmail.com> ? jmbuser is present, so am I * quaid gets the agenda rolling ... stickster was here ... so three of us at least EvilBob: it's your topic up first, btw * ezq (n=ezq at host201.190-224-66.telecom.net.ar) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Mailing list spam and moderation * stickster here hmm, without Bob I don't think we get the full impatc but aiui he was concerned with list moderators stepping on each other outside of designating hours of coverage (horrors!) I think we just have to be careful and make sure we know what we are rejecting for this I use the Mailman WebUI to be sure quaid: Is there any way to prevent the spam mail from cloggin up my webmail? s / cloggin / clogging / filters? also ... Mike was going to adjust our filters but afaict he hasn't I don't know quite what to do there and haven't found anyone who can help * quaid tries not to say M I K E ' s name so as to not distract him from FAS2 fun The signal-to-noise ratio drops drastically with spam and causes me to miss real information hmm I'm not sure if the spam filters drop the message before it gets to the queue I'll drop mike an email about the filters thanks ok, that's about what we can do jmbuser: are you using the web interface for moderating? or still using the reply-to in the email stuff? Hm, I haven't seen any spam on f-docs-l. quaid: web interface Maybe it's my Gmail at work? stickster: it doesn't land on list, it hits the moderation queue Oh that. * mkranz (n=mkranz at h-217.111.50.179.host.de.colt.net) has joined #fedora-meeting so it's moderator email that you see ok, anything else here? *AH*. I've been getting a BOATLOAD of that on f-a-b and f-board-l that I do have to moderate, so fair enough. stickster: mike figured out a formula for using RHT set spam assassin headers quaid: I've been considering simply rejecting email from non-subscribers, at least on f-board-l. I just sent him email, once I get the details, i'll publish and advertise to list admins stickster: then you lose the people who we ask to reply to the board s/non-subscribers/non-subscribers who aren't preapproved/ aiui, the SA headers are present and can be used by Mailman Aha OK, not to drive this into the ground, sorry all. I just want to avoid re-doing Mike's figuring here, so I'll see what he says, then try it on f-docs-l ...etc. ok, moving on ... If it works, let me know and I'll follow suit * quaid looks back up 9 lines in his buffer yep * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Access to wiki/Docs content and what content belongs there did we talk about this before? I thought we agreed that, following the MW move , we would deprecate Docs and remove ACLs s/Docs/Docs and Docs/Drafts/ quaid: sorry, can you clarify that a bit? ok based on the WikiGardening scheme we have two major areas: project-specific and content-specific and within that a set of common trees to layout e.g.: Virt/QuickStart/9/Draft Virt/QuickStart/9/ <== real thing etc. * quaid always gets this order in correct in other words, we are flattening the structure up a few levels and removing a Docs/ specific area because the idea is, wiki = community documentation all by ytself makes perfect sense ok, I thought we discussed this but I don't really see anything updated anywhere on that ... Are there any more agenda items we should discuss? quaid: That's correct, we did agree to remove "Docs/" from the namespace. sorry, yes ... * stickster dragged off again, sorry. I was trying to figure some stuff out to no avail * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates Disagreement last week came with the question of hierarchies and how useful they are on the wiki. I can take them or leave them, no biggie. well, that's true I guess ... * zydoon (n=fzied at 41.225.128.45) has joined #fedora-meeting I think we should define a standard that people can choose to follow I think search levels the playing field -- when we have a wiki where that's worth something :-) Then hierarchies make sense. * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- wiki structure heh stickster: sorry, when do hier. make sense? Sorry, I skipped Step 2 in my brain. 2. As long as there are Docs people to herd the cats (pages). a h ZiedFakhfakh that is sort of a given we must have more wiki watchers Well, I use "make sense" loosely I mean "are no less tolerable than any other method" :-) Otherwise we're building process for no purpose. and more watchers == more guidelines so we aren't reteaching the same stuff well *nod codification of what is already there v. creating from scratch man! question: heh should Docs own this wiki project management function? or do we need a Wiki SIG? * jwb sighs * quaid eyes jwb speak lad! * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr at p54B10E5E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting i don't want to place more burden on Docs, but a Wiki SIG sounds like a failure for using a Wiki at all Wiki == anyone and everyone can change stuff right and as we make it easier to get a wiki account that means more of that I guess I don't mind it as a Docs function, myself; it seems to make sense, in that a wiki == community documentation so is a Docs function, right? that's what i was thinking, but i might be misunderstanding your overall resources and scope to answer my own question, i think we need to own it and work it hard and recruit for help whilst enabling the poor buggers anyway, don't put too much weight to my comments part of that is encouraging active page "ownership" by content/subject matter experts and having an army of fixers and watchers who keep things tidy :) WikiAntz I think a wiki can be accessible to all and still have areas that need more structure and control with limited access as well as WikiAntz * quaid just wants a CMS for the structure and control parts, but ph34rs that horse is a'dyin' *sigh* this is a list discussion we need to get active on, imo * jwb likes the term WikiAntz so I'm going to move it there, maybe after I clean up some unclarities in WikiGardening people could watch pages by alphabet just set A.* in your watch area to watch all the A-stuff * quaid picks [XxYyZz.*] ok, then, if there are no objections to that motion ? * Milanito (n=Matt at 86.72.250.50) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- content updates I'll do the ones I know for the record, then EOF * relnotes -- working with mdious, stickster and I are imparting knowledge; I did BIG updates to the processes last night, check DocsProject/WorkFlow to get started; DP/Wiki2XML tells all for now; updates are coming in; push more people to provide more updates blog, blog, blog * DUG -- worked with Marc yesterday to get him started with CVS skel; he has the wiki2xml notes; we're planning next picking a chapter (Introduction.xml) and doing it one step at a time; this lets us check the modern how-it's-done-in-this-Moin-version so we can update e.g. release-notes/devel/xmlbeats * SMG -- still need feedback to jsmith on the conversion; with this feedback he may be able to give more help to the wiki2xml notes EOF if there is no one to speak for the others ... I think the AG is in a similar boat as the DUG; we're just trying to get one done and converted There are a lot of things hinging on people getting up to speed on XML conversion issues DUG addendum -- paul and I have done some edits on there for finalization; wish there were more people who could do that or learn to do that final edit I just found out that I may be unavailable for a lot of Sunday, because my realtor wants an open house all day. quaid: +1 that, no one else has signed up even for wordsmithing. jmbuser: Pls. ensure that ^^ makes it into the minutes. stickster: got a moment to drop a beg for wordsmithing to the list? I mean, there are competent editors out there You got it man and the StyleGuide is clear * stickster composes in fact, I listed out all the specific areas to check in the fixes I did last night * quaid pulls up a link * fcrippa (n=fcrippa at 83.225.5.137) has joined #fedora-meeting ok, meanwhile ... * glezos_afk (n=glezos at ppp201-131.adsl.forthnet.gr) has joined #fedora-meeting * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Any other bidness? LUG meeting took longer than usual :/ glezos_afk: Greetings sorry guys np stickster: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#WikitoDocBookXML * stickster does a beg OK, well I missed that part, but the beg was for low-hanging fruit anyway. * glezos_afk is now known as glezos right o if there is no more to discuss ... ? * quaid closing in 10 seconds 5 ... From bob at fedoraunity.org Thu Mar 13 12:02:34 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:02:34 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-12 IRC Log In-Reply-To: <9d2c731f0803130328v1fed8979x2b0398036d338ee7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9d2c731f0803130328v1fed8979x2b0398036d338ee7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47D917DA.8050406@fedoraunity.org> John Babich wrote: > * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Mailing list spam and moderation > * stickster here > hmm, without Bob I don't think we get the full impatc > but aiui > he was concerned with list moderators stepping on each other > outside of designating hours of coverage (horrors!) > I think we just have to be careful > and make sure we know what we are rejecting > for this I use the Mailman WebUI to be sure > quaid: Is there any way to prevent the spam mail from > cloggin up my webmail? > s / cloggin / clogging / > filters? > also ... > Mike was going to adjust our filters > but afaict he hasn't > I don't know quite what to do there and haven't found anyone > who can help > * quaid tries not to say M I K E ' s name so as to not distract him > from FAS2 fun > The signal-to-noise ratio drops drastically with spam and > causes me to miss real information > hmm > I'm not sure if the spam filters drop the message before it > gets to the queue > I'll drop mike an email about the filters > thanks > ok, that's about what we can do > jmbuser: are you using the web interface for moderating? or > still using the reply-to in the email stuff? > Hm, I haven't seen any spam on f-docs-l. > quaid: web interface > Maybe it's my Gmail at work? > stickster: it doesn't land on list, it hits the moderation queue > Oh that. > * mkranz (n=mkranz at h-217.111.50.179.host.de.colt.net) has joined #fedora-meeting > so it's moderator email that you see > ok, anything else here? > *AH*. I've been getting a BOATLOAD of that on f-a-b and > f-board-l that I do have to moderate, so fair enough. > stickster: mike figured out a formula for using RHT set spam > assassin headers > quaid: I've been considering simply rejecting email from > non-subscribers, at least on f-board-l. > I just sent him email, once I get the details, i'll publish > and advertise to list admins > stickster: then you lose the people who we ask to reply to the board > s/non-subscribers/non-subscribers who aren't preapproved/ > aiui, the SA headers are present and can be used by Mailman > Aha > OK, not to drive this into the ground, sorry all. > I just want to avoid re-doing Mike's figuring here, so I'll > see what he says, then try it on f-docs-l ...etc. > ok, moving on ... > If it works, let me know and I'll follow suit > * quaid looks back up 9 lines in his buffer > yep Sorry I missed the meeting, one thing that I have been doing with the spammers is checking the box to "always reject from this address." this will help over time I think. this is what the "rejected" messages are from. I think we can turn those off in mailman. -- 73, Robert 'Bob' Jensen KC0WYC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIG/AmateurRadio http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/hams/ http://lists.fedoraunity.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-hams From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Thu Mar 13 13:17:05 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:17:05 +0900 Subject: docs questions Message-ID: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, How do I deal with information sections in the wiki -> xml conversion? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops Also what is the make_validate or whatever it is so I can verify the xml? Another question is there are internal links at the bottom of the DuG pages on the wiki. How do I change that in the conversion? Cheers, Marc From kwade at redhat.com Thu Mar 13 14:46:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 07:46:22 -0700 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205419582.31045.85.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 22:17 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey all, > > How do I deal with information sections in the wiki -> xml conversion? > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops Ummm ... you convert them to XML? Looking at that page, no problems jump to my eyes. Can you give more details to your question? > Also what is the make_validate or whatever it is so I can verify the > xml? 'make validate-xml' You can see all the make targets with 'make help'. > Another question is there are internal links at the bottom of the DuG > pages on the wiki. How do I change that in the conversion? You chop them out of the XML and forget about them. This is one of the many things that DocBook takes care of automatically. It was originally done on the wiki (AIUI) to make it more readable, such as if there was a wiki-based publication of this v. a conversion to XML. In the future we might just want to ignore that navigation, esp. if it is causing us hassle to maintain it where it is not really needed. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From bob at fedoraunity.org Thu Mar 13 18:13:09 2008 From: bob at fedoraunity.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:13:09 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-12 IRC Log In-Reply-To: <47D917DA.8050406@fedoraunity.org> References: <9d2c731f0803130328v1fed8979x2b0398036d338ee7@mail.gmail.com> <47D917DA.8050406@fedoraunity.org> Message-ID: <47D96EB5.40201@fedoraunity.org> Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > John Babich wrote: >> * quaid has changed the topic to: FDSCo mtg -- Mailing list spam >> and moderation >> * stickster here >> hmm, without Bob I don't think we get the full impatc >> but aiui >> he was concerned with list moderators stepping on each other >> outside of designating hours of coverage (horrors!) >> I think we just have to be careful >> and make sure we know what we are rejecting >> for this I use the Mailman WebUI to be sure >> quaid: Is there any way to prevent the spam mail from >> cloggin up my webmail? >> s / cloggin / clogging / >> filters? >> also ... >> Mike was going to adjust our filters >> but afaict he hasn't >> I don't know quite what to do there and haven't found anyone >> who can help >> * quaid tries not to say M I K E ' s name so as to not distract him >> from FAS2 fun >> The signal-to-noise ratio drops drastically with spam and >> causes me to miss real information >> hmm >> I'm not sure if the spam filters drop the message before it >> gets to the queue >> I'll drop mike an email about the filters >> thanks >> ok, that's about what we can do >> jmbuser: are you using the web interface for moderating? or >> still using the reply-to in the email stuff? >> Hm, I haven't seen any spam on f-docs-l. >> quaid: web interface >> Maybe it's my Gmail at work? >> stickster: it doesn't land on list, it hits the moderation >> queue >> Oh that. >> * mkranz (n=mkranz at h-217.111.50.179.host.de.colt.net) has joined >> #fedora-meeting >> so it's moderator email that you see >> ok, anything else here? >> *AH*. I've been getting a BOATLOAD of that on f-a-b and >> f-board-l that I do have to moderate, so fair enough. >> stickster: mike figured out a formula for using RHT set spam >> assassin headers >> quaid: I've been considering simply rejecting email from >> non-subscribers, at least on f-board-l. >> I just sent him email, once I get the details, i'll publish >> and advertise to list admins >> stickster: then you lose the people who we ask to reply to >> the board >> s/non-subscribers/non-subscribers who aren't preapproved/ >> aiui, the SA headers are present and can be used by Mailman >> Aha >> OK, not to drive this into the ground, sorry all. >> I just want to avoid re-doing Mike's figuring here, so I'll >> see what he says, then try it on f-docs-l ...etc. >> ok, moving on ... >> If it works, let me know and I'll follow suit >> * quaid looks back up 9 lines in his buffer >> yep > > Sorry I missed the meeting, one thing that I have been doing with the > spammers is checking the box to "always reject from this address." this > will help over time I think. this is what the "rejected" messages are > from. I think we can turn those off in mailman. > [X] Add to one of these sender filters: Accepts Holds Rejects Discards (X) -- 73, Robert 'Bob' Jensen KC0WYC http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIG/AmateurRadio http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/pkgs/hams/ http://lists.fedoraunity.org/mailman/listinfo/fedora-hams From ccurran at redhat.com Fri Mar 14 01:46:10 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:46:10 +1000 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey all, > > How do I deal with information sections in the wiki -> xml conversion? > > do you mean the callout areas? In your link the "More Desktop Environments Exist" title for the box. There are several docbook xml tags for callouts. Try this sort of format More Desktop Environments Exist Fedora's extensive repository of software offers other desktops as well. To learn how to browse and install software from the repository, refer to . note, tip, warning, caution and important are all common and available tags. For more information I recommend reading the spec http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops > > Also what is the make_validate or whatever it is so I can verify the > xml? > > The publican "make test" should validate your xml. It's a pretty strict xml validation process but it will ensure you write accurate xml. > Another question is there are internal links at the bottom of the DuG > pages on the wiki. How do I change that in the conversion? > > use xref. for external links use ulink > Cheers, > > Marc > > Cheers, Christoph From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 04:27:31 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:27:31 +1000 Subject: copying content from mailing lists Message-ID: <95f1114b0803132127p44471969lb005819e68b13d1b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I noticed that the content on the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/Devel/Tools/GCC page is a directy copy from the link announcement, https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2007-September/msg00015.html Is it okay to leave this as is, or should it be changed? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Mar 14 09:58:41 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:58:41 +0900 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 11:46 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > Hey all, > > > > How do I deal with information sections in the wiki -> xml conversion? > > > > > do you mean the callout areas? In your link the "More Desktop > Environments Exist" title for the box. There are several docbook xml > tags for callouts. Try this sort of format > More Desktop Environments Exist > > Fedora's extensive repository of software offers other desktops as > well. To learn how to browse and install software from the repository, > refer to . > > note, tip, warning, caution and important are all common and available > tags. For more information I recommend reading the spec > http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops > > > > Also what is the make_validate or whatever it is so I can verify the > > xml? > > > > This brings up my next question. Is there a standard that we use like when we work on the wiki? Like all info's will be 'x' and all warnings 'y'? Cheers, Marc From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 14 15:03:29 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:03:29 -0700 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205507009.13919.81.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 18:58 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > This brings up my next question. Is there a standard that we use like > when we work on the wiki? Like all info's will be 'x' and all warnings > 'y'? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Admonitions That way we are consistent and it makes the XML side easier to do search-replace. That link is now with friends in this all-in-one workflow: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WorkFlow#Wiki_to_DocBook_XML - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 14 16:27:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:27:20 -0400 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205512040.18167.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 18:58 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 11:46 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > Hey all, > > > > > > How do I deal with information sections in the wiki -> xml conversion? > > > > > > > > do you mean the callout areas? In your link the "More Desktop > > Environments Exist" title for the box. There are several docbook xml > > tags for callouts. Try this sort of format > > More Desktop Environments Exist > > > > Fedora's extensive repository of software offers other desktops as > > well. To learn how to browse and install software from the repository, > > refer to . > > > > note, tip, warning, caution and important are all common and available > > tags. For more information I recommend reading the spec > > http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/docbook.html > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Desktops > > > > > > Also what is the make_validate or whatever it is so I can verify the > > > xml? > > > > > > > > This brings up my next question. Is there a standard that we use like > when we work on the wiki? Like all info's will be 'x' and all warnings > 'y'? There are essentially two standards now, because of the way the wiki's DocBook conversion works as opposed to human readability. If you are writing a page that is drafted on the wiki but intended to go to CVS, the way to do an admonition is: [[Admonition("", "", "<brief_content>")]] For <type> you would subsitute the admonition type, such as "info," "warning," etc. This type of admonition looks terrible (basically it will look just like the text above in the viewed wiki page), but can be programmatically converted to DocBook when you choose that function on the wiki sidebar. The second way of doing it, which *cannot* be reliably converted but which looks good to wiki users: ||<tableclass="message <type>"> Put your content here. || The <type> here might be a little different -- I ran out of time to find the CSS style sheet that would probably give hints. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080314/50f579c4/attachment.sig> From ricky at fedoraproject.org Sat Mar 15 02:31:37 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:31:37 -0400 Subject: Updating CLA Documentation Message-ID: <20080315023137.GF5626@Max.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net> After Paul's CLA announcement today (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2008-March/msg00062.html), we have pushed a FAS2 update that no longer requires a GPG-signed CLA. This is a huge win in terms of making it easier for new contributors to get started---now, we need to go through and update all of the FAS and CLA documentation (mostly on the wiki) for the new process. Here are just a few of the wiki pages that we should start updating: * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join#head-a601c13b0950a89568deafa65f505b4b58ee869b * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Join If you want to get a better feel for how account creation and CLA signing works in FAS2, feel free to try it out with a test account at http://publictest10.fedoraproject.org/accounts/. Thanks a lot, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Like all info's will be 'x' and all warnings > > 'y'? > > There are essentially two standards now, because of the way the wiki's > DocBook conversion works as opposed to human readability. If you are > writing a page that is drafted on the wiki but intended to go to CVS, > the way to do an admonition is: > > [[Admonition("<type>", "<title>", "<brief_content>")]] > > For <type> you would subsitute the admonition type, such as "info," > "warning," etc. This type of admonition looks terrible (basically it > will look just like the text above in the viewed wiki page), but can be > programmatically converted to DocBook when you choose that function on > the wiki sidebar. Does that actually work in the 1.6 code? Nope, don't think it does: <para> [[Admonition("note","x86 Kernel Includes Kdump","Both the x86_64 and the i686 kernels are relocatable, so they no longer require a separate kernel for kdump capability. PPC64 still requires a separate kdump kernel.")]] </para> The other day I told Murray to go ahead and make the pretty ones that follow the actual wiki convention (more on this below). This is because they look fine on the screen *and* they make a consistent output in the XML that we can search for. > The second way of doing it, which *cannot* be reliably converted but > which looks good to wiki users: > > ||<tableclass="message <type>"> Put your content here. || > > The <type> here might be a little different -- I ran out of time to find > the CSS style sheet that would probably give hints. That is a limited set created by Dimitris and does *not* have coverage for all five of the DocBook admonition types. The actual proper method to follow right now, since it seems clear we are converting to MediaWiki, is this method: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Admonitions You know, unless I'm missing something ... :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Frields wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 18:58 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings up my next question. Is there a standard that we use like > > > when we work on the wiki? Like all info's will be 'x' and all warnings > > > 'y'? > > > > There are essentially two standards now, because of the way the wiki's > > DocBook conversion works as opposed to human readability. If you are > > writing a page that is drafted on the wiki but intended to go to CVS, > > the way to do an admonition is: > > > > [[Admonition("<type>", "<title>", "<brief_content>")]] > > > > For <type> you would subsitute the admonition type, such as "info," > > "warning," etc. This type of admonition looks terrible (basically it > > will look just like the text above in the viewed wiki page), but can be > > programmatically converted to DocBook when you choose that function on > > the wiki sidebar. > > Does that actually work in the 1.6 code? Nope, don't think it does: > > <para> > [[Admonition("note","x86 Kernel Includes Kdump","Both the x86_64 and the > i686 kernels are relocatable, so they no longer require a separate > kernel for kdump capability. PPC64 still requires a separate kdump > kernel.")]] > </para> > > The other day I told Murray to go ahead and make the pretty ones that > follow the actual wiki convention (more on this below). This is because > they look fine on the screen *and* they make a consistent output in the > XML that we can search for. > > > > The second way of doing it, which *cannot* be reliably converted but > > which looks good to wiki users: > > > > ||<tableclass="message <type>"> Put your content here. || > > > > The <type> here might be a little different -- I ran out of time to find > > the CSS style sheet that would probably give hints. > > That is a limited set created by Dimitris and does *not* have coverage > for all five of the DocBook admonition types. > > The actual proper method to follow right now, since it seems clear we > are converting to MediaWiki, is this method: > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing#Admonitions > > You know, unless I'm missing something ... :) > > > I think Paul changed my pretty ones back to the ugly ones, but that may have been because of all my unnecessary changes ;) Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From kwade at redhat.com Sat Mar 15 06:34:57 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:34:57 -0700 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803142121j3d660d28r58c12dc1c38c86ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205512040.18167.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205544958.13919.116.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0803142121j3d660d28r58c12dc1c38c86ab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205562897.13919.175.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 14:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > I think Paul changed my pretty ones back to the ugly ones, but that > may have been because of all my unnecessary changes ;) Getting a little late for this discussion, but ... I was wondering, if we don't make changes and fixes now, when should we make them? Or do we leave some errors to keep from having it go fuzzy for translation? What if someone had come along and fixed the same punctuation, etc., but it had been months ago? Would we roll the changes back to save l10n effort? I guess my bias is clear from my leading questions. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080314/49e373d2/attachment.sig> From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 06:50:46 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:50:46 +1000 Subject: docs questions In-Reply-To: <1205562897.13919.175.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205414225.2868.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47D9D8E2.8000204@redhat.com> <1205488721.2868.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205512040.18167.77.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205544958.13919.116.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0803142121j3d660d28r58c12dc1c38c86ab@mail.gmail.com> <1205562897.13919.175.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803142350g1b2f14d4gb40bc32296552077@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade at redhat.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 14:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > I think Paul changed my pretty ones back to the ugly ones, but that > > may have been because of all my unnecessary changes ;) > > Getting a little late for this discussion, but ... > > I was wondering, if we don't make changes and fixes now, when should we > make them? Or do we leave some errors to keep from having it go fuzzy > for translation? > > What if someone had come along and fixed the same punctuation, etc., but > it had been months ago? Would we roll the changes back to save l10n > effort? > > I guess my bias is clear from my leading questions. :) > After making Paul fix up everything I unnecessarily changed, I've stopped touching content, especially when the last edit was an "editorial pass". I try to only touch when someone has added something new, which did not appear in the F8 release notes http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/ As well, looking at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule it doesn't look like translators have much time :( Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 09:12:52 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:12:52 +1000 Subject: broken links in fedora 8 release notes Message-ID: <95f1114b0803150212j49fef7bfjec9485fc8bad71db@mail.gmail.com> Hi, When making some changes in cvs for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/DatabaseServers, I noticed some of the links for MySQL and PostgreSQL no longer work, and as such, there are broken links on the fedora 8 release notes page (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-DatabaseServers.html). Is this easy to change, or isn't it worth it? Sorry to bother everyone. Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Mar 15 09:37:17 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 19:37:17 +1000 Subject: errors when building from cvs Message-ID: <95f1114b0803150237j7b658a67u6d8a75ec7a3977e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, After I check out release-notes-devel, I get the following errors (at the end) after running 'make html': cd po && xml2po -e -p cs.po ../en_US/rpm-info.xml >../cs/rpm-info.xml mkdir -p cs xml2po -e -p po/cs.po en_US/rpm-info.xml >cs/rpm-info.xml mkdir -p cs LANG=cs.UTF-8 xsltproc --path /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities:/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/packaging --stringparam lang cs --stringparam fdpcommondir /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common --stringparam doctype articleinfo --stringparam legalbase legalnotice-relnotes /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/packaging/bookinfo.xsl cs/rpm-info.xml | xmlformat -f /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf >cs/fdp-info.xml mkdir -p cs ( cd /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities ; make entities-cs.ent ) make[1]: Entering directory `/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities' xsltproc -o entities-cs.ent --stringparam FDPCOMMONDIR "/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common" --stringparam LANG "cs" entities.xsl entities-cs.xml entities-cs.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty ^ entities-cs.xml:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found ^ unable to parse entities-cs.xml make[1]: *** [entities-cs.ent] Error 6 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities' make: *** [cs/fdp-entities.ent] Error 2 entities-cs.xml appears to me empty. My directory structure looks as follows: /release-notes-devel CVS docs-common release-notes Is this anything to worry about before the preview release notes? Thanks for your help. Please let me know if you need any more information. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sat Mar 15 23:58:23 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:58:23 +0900 Subject: Validation failing Message-ID: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, I'm getting some failings and I'm not to sure where or how to fix it. en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:37: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:37: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:37: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpointer of element include 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validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:79: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:79: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpointer of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:79: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xmlns:xi of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:84: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:84: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:84: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpointer of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:84: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xmlns:xi of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:89: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:89: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:89: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpointer of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:89: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xmlns:xi of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:94: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:94: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:94: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpointer of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:94: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xmlns:xi of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:99: element include: validity error : No declaration for element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:99: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute href of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:99: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xpoint of element include en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml:99: element include: validity error : No declaration for attribute xmlns:xi of element include Document en_US/desktop-user-guide.xml does not validate make: *** [validate-xml-en_US] Error 3 Any guidance would be helpful. Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 10:07:56 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:07:56 +1000 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > Hey all, [snip] > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > Cheers, > > Marc > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test ;) Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 11:54:55 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:54:55 +0900 Subject: DuG edits Message-ID: <1205668495.2868.24.camel@localhost.localdomain> Can we have the DuG editing on the wiki finished please for those people who know what to do. I've transferred all the pages that are xml ready so far. Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 12:09:36 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:09:36 +0900 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 20:07 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > > Hey all, > [snip] > > > > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by > copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test > ;) > > Cheers, > > Murray. > I can't actually get publican since it's not in F-8 Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 12:49:50 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:49:50 +0900 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205671790.2868.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:09 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 20:07 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > > > Hey all, > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by > > copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test > > ;) > > > > Cheers, > > > > Murray. > > > > I can't actually get publican since it's not in F-8 > > Cheers, > > Marc > I've rebuilt it from F-9 can you tell me how to check with publican? Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 13:00:25 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:00:25 +0900 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <1205671790.2868.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205671790.2868.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205672425.2868.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:49 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:09 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 20:07 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by > > > copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test > > > ;) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Murray. > > > > > > > I can't actually get publican since it's not in F-8 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > I've rebuilt it from F-9 can you tell me how to check with publican? > > Cheers, > > Marc > Nm figured it out. I'm getting an error with this line <xref linkend"ch-managing-software-with-pirut" /> I think it's because I haven't created that chapter yet. Could that be the reason? Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 13:11:25 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:11:25 +0900 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <1205672425.2868.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205671790.2868.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1205672425.2868.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205673085.2868.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 22:00 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:49 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:09 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 20:07 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > > > > > Hey all, > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by > > > > copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test > > > > ;) > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Murray. > > > > > > > > > > I can't actually get publican since it's not in F-8 > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > I've rebuilt it from F-9 can you tell me how to check with publican? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > Nm figured it out. > > I'm getting an error with this line > > <xref linkend"ch-managing-software-with-pirut" /> > > I think it's because I haven't created that chapter yet. Could that be > the reason? > > Cheers, > > Marc > NM figured it out I was reading the error wrong I forgot the '=' Cheers, Marc From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Sun Mar 16 13:38:45 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:38:45 +0900 Subject: Validation failing In-Reply-To: <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205625503.2868.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803160307r749873f2j89415795420719c8@mail.gmail.com> <1205669376.2868.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205674725.2868.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:09 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 20:07 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > > > Hey all, > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > Any guidance would be helpful. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > I know it is cheating, but I always found it easier to find errors by > > copying the document into a publican book, and then running make test > > ;) > > <snip> http://mwiriadi.fedorapeople.org/packages/publican/ For those people that want to grab it. Cheers, Marc From stickster at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 23:08:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:08:39 -0400 Subject: broken links in fedora 8 release notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803150212j49fef7bfjec9485fc8bad71db@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803150212j49fef7bfjec9485fc8bad71db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205708920.29562.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 19:12 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > When making some changes in cvs for > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/DatabaseServers, I noticed > some of the links for MySQL and PostgreSQL no longer work, and as > such, there are broken links on the fedora 8 release notes page > (http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-DatabaseServers.html). > > Is this easy to change, or isn't it worth it? > > Sorry to bother everyone. These ought to be fixed as long as F8 is current. File a bug against the F8 release notes in Bugzilla, please. Thanks for catching it! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080316/26d3cc05/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 02:40:53 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:40:53 -0400 Subject: Spins beat Message-ID: <1205721653.29562.26.camel@localhost.localdomain> Trying to keep our Spins release notes beat up to date with emergent custom spins is inefficient and silly. We should instead include a link to the already-existing CustomSpins page on the wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CustomSpins Because this needs to go to XML tomorrow, I'm going to go ahead and remove the content and replace it with appropriate links. If someone would like to move that data around, it will still exist in the Info page revision history. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080316/e74c2842/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 02:49:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:49:32 -0400 Subject: DistributionUpgrades Message-ID: <1205722172.29562.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> The release notes already contain a link to the wiki DistributionUpgrades page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DistributionUpgrades When the new pre-upgrade feature is complete, or at least before F9 GA, we should update that page with full information on how to use the new feature: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PreUpgrade -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your help. - Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From couf at skynet.be Mon Mar 17 07:39:15 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:39:15 +0100 Subject: adding new xml file to release notes In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803162146r4569dc7co4fb464a45e9edb94@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803162146r4569dc7co4fb464a45e9edb94@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205739555.27376.11.camel@localhost> Op maandag 17-03-2008 om 14:46 uur [tijdzone +1000], schreef Murray McAllister: > Hi, > > I am trying to add a new XML file, SystemDaemons.xml > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/SystemDaemons), to the > release-notes-devel branch. I have added it to CVS, but I can't figure > out how to add new chapters. I tried adding the following to the > Makefile, but without success: > > ${1}/SystemDaemons.xml \ > > It doesn't look like it is in order, so I'm not sure what else I'm > suppose to change. > > Thanks for your help. > > - Murray. Hi Murray, That would be because you'd have to add an xi:include to the RELEASE-NOTES.xml too. The listing in the Makefile is actually used so when making it knows which xml documents to consider for xml2po and others. The xi:include is needed to link the documents to each other Docbook wise. I've just committed the fix, so you can work from them. If stuff some files are not covered this afternoon, I'll tackle them. Thanks for heading this Bart -- Bart <couf at fedoraproject.org> <couf at skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Download it and give it a worksforme. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-2111 Cheers, Marc From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 09:48:48 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:48:48 +1000 Subject: adding new xml file to release notes In-Reply-To: <1205739555.27376.11.camel@localhost> References: <95f1114b0803162146r4569dc7co4fb464a45e9edb94@mail.gmail.com> <1205739555.27376.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803170248h5a41862eu7944d1263fb32487@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Bart Couvreur <couf at skynet.be> wrote: > > Op maandag 17-03-2008 om 14:46 uur [tijdzone +1000], schreef Murray > McAllister: > > > Hi, > > > > I am trying to add a new XML file, SystemDaemons.xml > > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats/SystemDaemons), to the > > release-notes-devel branch. I have added it to CVS, but I can't figure > > out how to add new chapters. I tried adding the following to the > > Makefile, but without success: > > > > ${1}/SystemDaemons.xml \ > > > > It doesn't look like it is in order, so I'm not sure what else I'm > > suppose to change. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > - Murray. > > Hi Murray, > > That would be because you'd have to add an xi:include to the > RELEASE-NOTES.xml too. The listing in the Makefile is actually used so > when making it knows which xml documents to consider for xml2po and > others. The xi:include is needed to link the documents to each other > Docbook wise. > > I've just committed the fix, so you can work from them. If stuff some > files are not covered this afternoon, I'll tackle them. > > Thanks for heading this > > Bart > > Hi Bart, Thanks very much for your help, and thanks for fixing those. I will try to get as much as I can done before bed tonight, but will probably go early and try to get it finished in the morning (I have until 10am here). Karsten and Paul finished all the wiki editing, so it only needs to be converted to XML. The current status is here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/BeatStatus Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > -- > Bart <couf at fedoraproject.org> <couf at skynet.be> > key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 10:39:09 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:39:09 +0100 Subject: No release notes on Live CD - why? Message-ID: <64b14b300803170339j36ea0473we11c99058c918753@mail.gmail.com> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429672 F8 Live CD Installed has a button "Release notes" that when you click you get a window saying "There are no release notes" F9 Alpha Live CD Installed has no Release notes button at all, why? Release notes are a great source of information and I believe that they would be valuable for lots of users. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 11:23:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:23:07 -0400 Subject: Publican In-Reply-To: <1205745619.2868.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1205745619.2868.37.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1205752987.29562.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 18:20 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Hey all, > > If you want publican to make it into F8. > > Download it and give it a worksforme. > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-2111 Does that package contain the Fedora branded templates? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <64b14b300803170339j36ea0473we11c99058c918753@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300803170339j36ea0473we11c99058c918753@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205753215.29562.39.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 11:39 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429672 > > F8 Live CD Installed has a button "Release notes" that when you click you get a > window saying "There are no release notes" > > F9 Alpha Live CD Installed has no Release notes button at all, why? > > Release notes are a great source of information and I believe that they would be > valuable for lots of users. That button has gone away for F9 because it makes no sense to have release notes in the installer. Release notes are good for (1) making decisions about whether you want to use a product, or (2) finding out what's changed if you're the kind of person who just wants to dive in. They don't help you at all if you're in the middle of installing. Besides which, IIRC the bits to make the release notes actually display properly inside Anaconda drag in a bunch of other requirements just to get the installer running. This is why we link to the Release Notes from the page where you download the distribution. People who care about them in advance will read them at that point; people who don't worry about them until they're done will have them on disk when they're finished. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 11:39 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429672 > > > > F8 Live CD Installed has a button "Release notes" that when you click you get a > > window saying "There are no release notes" > > > > F9 Alpha Live CD Installed has no Release notes button at all, why? > > > > Release notes are a great source of information and I believe that they would be > > valuable for lots of users. > > That button has gone away for F9 because it makes no sense to have > release notes in the installer. Right, this was an anaconda-devel decision. Another reason is, Anaconda is used to install various spins of Fedora. Since those spins can (and often do) contain updated packages, the original release notes content produced for GA may be out of date for those packages. It might even contain contradictory information that would cause problems if followed. It was a bit hard seeing the button go away after all these years :), but it's always been a PITA to get the HTML to display, and I agree with anaconda-devel that we don't want to have updating release notes content a requirement for a spin. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080317/6a8c260c/attachment.sig> From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Mar 17 14:38:22 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:38:22 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: IcedTea replaced with OpenJDK in rawhide - requires manual removal] Message-ID: <47DE825E.5090903@redhat.com> Worth a release note? I'm behind on f-docs-list so forgive me if you've already covered this. John -------- Original Message -------- Subject: IcedTea replaced with OpenJDK in rawhide - requires manual removal Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:08:05 -0400 From: Will Woods <wwoods at redhat.com> Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases <fedora-test-list at redhat.com> To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com Hello rawhiders! As of March 13, java-1.7.0-icedtea has been removed from Rawhide and replaced with java-1.6.0-openjdk. This version should be better compatible with upstream java. Unfortunately, the package changeover doesn't happen by default for people who already have IcedTea installed[1]. You can do this manually. In most cases you'll just need to do: yum erase java-1.7.0-icedtea{,-plugin} yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk{,-plugin} Hope that helps, and happy testing, -w [1] Normally this is handled by increasing the Epoch (if the packages have the same name) or adding an Obsoletes: (if they don't). In this case, the packages have different names (technically "java-1.7.0-icedtea" is the name of the package, not "java") and we don't really want to force the OpenJDK to replace IcedTea in *all* cases where it's installed on someone's system. -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 17 17:54:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:54:55 -0400 Subject: errors when building from cvs In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803150237j7b658a67u6d8a75ec7a3977e@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803150237j7b658a67u6d8a75ec7a3977e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1205776495.351.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 19:37 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > After I check out release-notes-devel, I get the following errors (at > the end) after running 'make html': > > cd po && xml2po -e -p cs.po ../en_US/rpm-info.xml >../cs/rpm-info.xml > mkdir -p cs > xml2po -e -p po/cs.po en_US/rpm-info.xml >cs/rpm-info.xml > mkdir -p cs > LANG=cs.UTF-8 xsltproc --path > /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities:/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/packaging > --stringparam lang cs --stringparam fdpcommondir > /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common > --stringparam doctype articleinfo --stringparam legalbase > legalnotice-relnotes > /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/packaging/bookinfo.xsl > cs/rpm-info.xml | xmlformat -f > /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/bin/xmlformat-fdp.conf > >cs/fdp-info.xml > mkdir -p cs > ( cd /home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities > ; make entities-cs.ent ) > make[1]: Entering directory > `/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities' > xsltproc -o entities-cs.ent --stringparam FDPCOMMONDIR > "/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common" > --stringparam LANG "cs" entities.xsl entities-cs.xml > entities-cs.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty > > ^ > entities-cs.xml:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found > > ^ > unable to parse entities-cs.xml > make[1]: *** [entities-cs.ent] Error 6 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/home/mmcallis/svn/fedora-docs-project/release-notes-devel/docs-common/common/entities' > make: *** [cs/fdp-entities.ent] Error 2 > > entities-cs.xml appears to me empty. > > My directory structure looks as follows: > /release-notes-devel > CVS docs-common release-notes > > Is this anything to worry about before the preview release notes? > > Thanks for your help. Please let me know if you need any more information. I'm guessing this is a problem with the "cs" locale PO. Maybe we shouldn't be building that one? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This POT file is the largest untranslated/fuzzy file that Fedora Documentation intends to deliver for the Fedora 9 release cycle. During the rest of the release cycle the team will work to reduce workload for translators. If you have any questions, contact us on fedora-docs-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list Definitely let us know if we are missing any of the steps in making the files available for translators. We'll fix it right away! Stop by #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net or send an email back to this thread. Thanks - Fedora release notes team [1] More access methods: Via CVS: cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/ If you want a complete documentation build environment for the release notes: export CVS_RSH=ssh export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs cvs co release-notes-devel If you need just the directory with XML and /po directory: export CVS_RSH=ssh export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs cvs co release-notes-dir -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This POT file is the largest untranslated/fuzzy file that Fedora Documentation intends to deliver for the Fedora 9 release cycle. During the rest of the release cycle the team will work to reduce workload for translators. If you have any questions, contact us on fedora-docs-list: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list Definitely let us know if we are missing any of the steps in making the files available for translators. We'll fix it right away! Stop by #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net or send an email back to this thread. Thanks - Fedora release notes team [1] More access methods: Via CVS: cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/ If you want a complete documentation build environment for the release notes: export CVS_RSH=ssh export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs cvs co release-notes-devel If you need just the directory with XML and /po directory: export CVS_RSH=ssh export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs cvs co release-notes-dir -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080317/02d4e294/attachment.sig> From asgeirf at redhat.com Tue Mar 18 00:21:09 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:21:09 +1000 Subject: Fedora 9 Preview Release notes ready for translation In-Reply-To: <1205798597.13919.325.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1205798597.13919.325.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <200803181021.09219.asgeirf@redhat.com> On Tuesday 18 March 2008 10:03:17 am Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > ## Resending with a proper subject ;-D > > The Fedora Documentation Project is pleased to deliver the POT file for > the Fedora 9 release notes. These release notes are going to be > delivered with the Fedora 9 Preview Release. This provides time for > bugfixes to the content and translations through the community review > process. > > Access via Transifex: > > https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/docs-release-notes The above URL is used when you *submit* translations. To view translation statistics and to download PO/POT from a web interface, use this URL: http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes Make sure you choose the "LATEST RELEASE NOTES" and not the Fedora 8 release notes. I am removing the Fedora 8 release notes, but it takes some hours for configuration changes to propagate to the servers. Happy translating! cheers, asgeir > > More instructions for other access methods are below[1]. > > This POT file is the largest untranslated/fuzzy file that Fedora > Documentation intends to deliver for the Fedora 9 release cycle. During > the rest of the release cycle the team will work to reduce workload for > translators. If you have any questions, contact us on fedora-docs-list: > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > Definitely let us know if we are missing any of the steps in making the > files available for translators. We'll fix it right away! Stop by > #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net or send an email back to this thread. > > Thanks > > - Fedora release notes team > > [1] More access methods: > > Via CVS: > > cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/ > > If you want a complete documentation build environment for the release > notes: > > export CVS_RSH=ssh > export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs > cvs co release-notes-devel > > If you need just the directory with XML and /po directory: > > export CVS_RSH=ssh > export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs > cvs co release-notes-dir From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 00:55:07 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:55:07 +1000 Subject: Fedora 9 Preview Release notes ready for translation In-Reply-To: <200803181021.09219.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <1205798597.13919.325.camel@calliope.phig.org> <200803181021.09219.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803171755g7d1070dak959a52fae93e27c4@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Asgeir Frimannsson <asgeirf at redhat.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 10:03:17 am Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > ## Resending with a proper subject ;-D > > > > The Fedora Documentation Project is pleased to deliver the POT file for > > the Fedora 9 release notes. These release notes are going to be > > delivered with the Fedora 9 Preview Release. This provides time for > > bugfixes to the content and translations through the community review > > process. > > > > Access via Transifex: > > > > https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/docs-release-notes > > The above URL is used when you *submit* translations. To view translation > statistics and to download PO/POT from a web interface, use this URL: > > http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes > > Make sure you choose the "LATEST RELEASE NOTES" and not the Fedora 8 release > notes. I am removing the Fedora 8 release notes, but it takes some hours for > configuration changes to propagate to the servers. > > Happy translating! > > cheers, > asgeir > I would like to specially thank Karsten Wade, Paul Frields, Marc Wiriadisastra, and everyone who added content, for all their hard work! Thanks again! Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 01:25:38 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 11:25:38 +1000 Subject: Fwd: [relnotes] fedora_requires_release_note granted: [Bug 436823] Xserver is always using evdev driver. In-Reply-To: <200803122043.m2CKhBJT020767@bz-web2.app.phx.redhat.com> References: <bug-436823-191191@bugzilla.redhat.com> <200803122043.m2CKhBJT020767@bz-web2.app.phx.redhat.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803171825v3bbffbc3kfe956e28e3acc1a@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <bugzilla at redhat.com> Date: Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 6:43 AM Subject: [relnotes] fedora_requires_release_note granted: [Bug 436823] Xserver is always using evdev driver. To: ajax at redhat.com Cc: relnotes at fedoraproject.org Bug 436823: Xserver is always using evdev driver. Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: xorg-x11-server Adam Jackson <ajax at redhat.com> has granted Adam Jackson <ajax at redhat.com>'s request for fedora_requires_release_note: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436823 ------- Additional Comments from Adam Jackson <ajax at redhat.com> For the release note people: /etc/sysconfig/keyboard's KEYTABLE setting sets the keyboard layout for X as well now. The XKB_VARIANT and XKB_OPTIONS variables can be used to set XKB variant and option as well. -- Fedora-relnotes-content mailing list Fedora-relnotes-content at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-relnotes-content Woops, I forget to add this for the preview notes... Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 06:21:30 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:21:30 +1000 Subject: fedora 9 release notes: building localized desktop RPMs Message-ID: <95f1114b0803172321w3d0253bau9c50cd2e51b12473@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I know that you can build desktop RPMs using the existing tool chain, but if I wanted to build the RPM using publican, would this be possible? Would I be able to just split up the existing pot file (since publican uses a separate pot file for each xml file) into separate ones, so that translators do not have to do their job twice? Thanks for your help! Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 18 13:51:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:51:32 +0000 Subject: Fedora 9 Preview Release notes ready for translation In-Reply-To: <200803181021.09219.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <1205798597.13919.325.camel@calliope.phig.org> <200803181021.09219.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205848292.25162.83.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 10:21 +1000, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > On Tuesday 18 March 2008 10:03:17 am Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > ## Resending with a proper subject ;-D > > > > The Fedora Documentation Project is pleased to deliver the POT file for > > the Fedora 9 release notes. These release notes are going to be > > delivered with the Fedora 9 Preview Release. This provides time for > > bugfixes to the content and translations through the community review > > process. > > > > Access via Transifex: > > > > https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/docs-release-notes > > The above URL is used when you *submit* translations. To view translation > statistics and to download PO/POT from a web interface, use this URL: > > http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes > > Make sure you choose the "LATEST RELEASE NOTES" and not the Fedora 8 release > notes. I am removing the Fedora 8 release notes, but it takes some hours for > configuration changes to propagate to the servers. > > Happy translating! > > cheers, > asgeir > > > > > More instructions for other access methods are below[1]. > > > > This POT file is the largest untranslated/fuzzy file that Fedora > > Documentation intends to deliver for the Fedora 9 release cycle. During > > the rest of the release cycle the team will work to reduce workload for > > translators. If you have any questions, contact us on fedora-docs-list: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > > Definitely let us know if we are missing any of the steps in making the > > files available for translators. We'll fix it right away! Stop by > > #fedora-docs on irc.freenode.net or send an email back to this thread. > > > > Thanks > > > > - Fedora release notes team > > > > [1] More access methods: > > > > Via CVS: > > > > cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs/release-notes/devel/ > > > > If you want a complete documentation build environment for the release > > notes: > > > > export CVS_RSH=ssh > > export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs > > cvs co release-notes-devel > > > > If you need just the directory with XML and /po directory: > > > > export CVS_RSH=ssh > > export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME at cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs > > cvs co release-notes-dir I made two quick very minor tweaks this morning to the POT, and synchronized the changes to the PO files in our CVS as well. Thank you to all the translation teams! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks heaps, Francesco! noriko > > Thank-you > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-docs-commits mailing list > Fedora-docs-commits at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-commits From stickster at gmail.com Wed Mar 19 14:26:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:26:36 +0000 Subject: [Fwd: IcedTea replaced with OpenJDK in rawhide - requires manual removal] In-Reply-To: <47DE825E.5090903@redhat.com> References: <47DE825E.5090903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1205936796.12292.45.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 07:38 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Worth a release note? I'm behind on f-docs-list so forgive me if you've > already covered this. It's in the beats, so we're good AFAICT. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080319/eb77908d/attachment.sig> From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 19 17:19:24 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:19:24 -0700 Subject: late or missing meeting Message-ID: <1205947164.13919.467.camel@calliope.phig.org> I have a dentist appointment that may have me arrive late for today's meeting or not at all. -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. 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Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From eric at christensenplace.us Thu Mar 20 12:45:57 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric H Christensen) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:45:57 -0400 Subject: Assistance Needed: Crypto Guide Message-ID: <20080320124555.GE4408@localhost.localdomain> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've been working on updating the Crypto Guide (or Encryption and Privacy Guide) [1] but I've run into a few snags. Karsten "Quaid" and I have been talking about the different information that should be included but we've come to a point where we need input from the group. Originally the Crypto Guide was written to show how to implement LUKS disk encryption within Fedora. This has been done and tested. Being that this is the "Encryption and Privacy Guide" proposed topics to include in the guide are: - - LUKS Disk Encryption Solution - - eCryptfs Disk Encryption Solution - - GnuPG (GPG) File Encryption Solution - - GnuPG (GPG) Email Encryption Solution - - SSH - - VPNs - - Other related references. I guess the biggest problem is where do you draw the line between Fedora-specific implementations and good security practices that have information available somewhere else? So I'm asking you what should be included in the Guide and what shouldn't. I'm going to try to go put as much information into the topics that are listed above but this has to be out the door for F9 so I don't want to put too much information into it. If anyone would like to assist writing on any of the above topics please let me know. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH4lyDL5V8yddJCO0RAolhAJ4vMDQW9Bjmn/MT3FPidtmPxnI/MwCfVsPh nosx5HWtD06EiZCa3Yu/Fow= =K+dq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gayathri.swa at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 13:18:23 2008 From: gayathri.swa at gmail.com (Gayathri Swaminathan) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:18:23 -0500 Subject: Assistance Needed: Crypto Guide In-Reply-To: <20080320124555.GE4408@localhost.localdomain> References: <20080320124555.GE4408@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <e608f00d0803200618u50703881o7842cebca1fec276@mail.gmail.com> Hey Eric: Not long ago Murray had forwarded this to the list: http://www.nsa.gov/snac/downloads_redhat.cfm?MenuID=scg10.3.1.1 While there are lots of reference materials like these as security best practices sources, there is a lack of less daunting simple starters! Instead of by "type of crypt" perhaps a cook book style of: - <Security/privacy guideline> for <title> - example, "Securing filesystem" - Scenarios - why it is needed? when it is needed? - Standards - mention best practice here - How to do it Count me in for assistance. On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Eric H Christensen < eric at christensenplace.us> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I've been working on updating the Crypto Guide (or Encryption and Privacy > Guide) [1] but I've run into a few snags. Karsten "Quaid" and I have been > talking about the different information that should be included but we've > come to a point where we need input from the group. > > Originally the Crypto Guide was written to show how to implement LUKS disk > encryption within Fedora. This has been done and tested. Being that this > is the "Encryption and Privacy Guide" proposed topics to include in the > guide are: > > - - LUKS Disk Encryption Solution > - - eCryptfs Disk Encryption Solution > - - GnuPG (GPG) File Encryption Solution > - - GnuPG (GPG) Email Encryption Solution > - - SSH > - - VPNs > - - Other related references. > > I guess the biggest problem is where do you draw the line between > Fedora-specific implementations and good security practices that have > information available somewhere else? > > So I'm asking you what should be included in the Guide and what shouldn't. > I'm going to try to go put as much information into the topics that are > listed above but this has to be out the door for F9 so I don't want to put > too much information into it. If anyone would like to assist writing on any > of the above topics please let me know. > > Eric > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFH4lyDL5V8yddJCO0RAolhAJ4vMDQW9Bjmn/MT3FPidtmPxnI/MwCfVsPh > nosx5HWtD06EiZCa3Yu/Fow= > =K+dq > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Gayathri Swaminathan gpgkey: 3EFB3D39 Volunteer, FDP -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080320/c9ade4ef/attachment.htm> From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 13:52:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:52:26 +0000 Subject: fedora-release-notes package In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803192223o4b2418b0yd59dfb2402f15a1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803192223o4b2418b0yd59dfb2402f15a1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206021146.27516.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:23 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule, on > the 1st of April, a "fedora-release-notes" package is sent to Fedora > release engineering. What exactly is this package? Is it something for > people to install? That's correct. Once all the translations are done and we have the PO files in hand, we run "make release-srpm" in release-notes/devel/ . This downloads the current CVS HEAD of some other modules: about-fedora, homepage, readme-burning-isos, readme-live-image, and readme. From each of these modules we build the required files in all languages marked in those modules (via their individual po/LINGUAS files, same as many other applications). We also build the release notes in HTML, and then make a great big tarball out of everything. That tarball is imported into the Fedora Package CVS repository, as a source tarball for that RPM, the same way a package maintainer would do for any package. (We also maintain a specfile in our CVS that is copied to the Fedora Package CVS. That's where we do testing of new tool stuff before we start messing with the "real" package CVS. Once in the Fedora Package CVS, the package is built by the normal packager toolchain (through koji and bodhi, and tagged for the distro) just like any other package. The fedora-release-notes package is required by the fedora-release package, so it ends up on pretty much all systems. To test or build the 'release-srpm' target, you need to have the "Authoring and Publishing" group and the "w3m" package installed via yum. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080320/c4012185/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 15:05:20 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:05:20 -0400 Subject: Release Notes reminder! Message-ID: <1206025520.27516.53.camel@localhost.localdomain> FOR ALL TRANSLATORS: Please make sure that before you translate Release Notes, you translate the "Docs:: Common entities" module. If your language does not exist in that module, we cannot build or include your translations in the package of Release Notes. http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-common-entities If you are a command-line user/translator, you can do a "make validate-xml-<LANG>" to check your work as you go, and before you commit. There are 5 other modules which also pertain to Release Notes: Docs:: about-fedora homepage readme readme-burning-isos readme-live-image Remember that for these last 5 modules, as well as the release-notes themselves, you want the "devel" branch for the module PO. We look forward to having even more languages for this release of Fedora, and growing our international community even larger than for Fedora 8. ?Thank you to everyone for participating! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What exactly is this package? Is it something for > > people to install? > > That's correct. Once all the translations are done and we have the PO > files in hand, we run "make release-srpm" in release-notes/devel/ . > This downloads the current CVS HEAD of some other modules: about-fedora, > homepage, readme-burning-isos, readme-live-image, and readme. > > From each of these modules we build the required files in all languages > marked in those modules (via their individual po/LINGUAS files, same as > many other applications). We also build the release notes in HTML, and > then make a great big tarball out of everything. > > That tarball is imported into the Fedora Package CVS repository, as a > source tarball for that RPM, the same way a package maintainer would do > for any package. (We also maintain a specfile in our CVS that is copied > to the Fedora Package CVS. That's where we do testing of new tool stuff > before we start messing with the "real" package CVS. > > Once in the Fedora Package CVS, the package is built by the normal > packager toolchain (through koji and bodhi, and tagged for the distro) > just like any other package. The fedora-release-notes package is > required by the fedora-release package, so it ends up on pretty much all > systems. > > To test or build the 'release-srpm' target, you need to have the > "Authoring and Publishing" group and the "w3m" package installed via > yum. > Thanks! So when fedora-release-notes is installed, does that mean people can view them by going System -> Documentatoin -> [something]? If this is the case, will this be on the Fedora 9 beta desktop? Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 20 21:52:11 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:52:11 +0000 Subject: fedora-release-notes package In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803201439u7e888057n9c1d2d9f90856b1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803192223o4b2418b0yd59dfb2402f15a1a@mail.gmail.com> <1206021146.27516.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803201439u7e888057n9c1d2d9f90856b1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206049931.27516.230.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-21 at 07:39 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-03-20 at 15:23 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule, on > > > the 1st of April, a "fedora-release-notes" package is sent to Fedora > > > release engineering. What exactly is this package? Is it something for > > > people to install? > > > > That's correct. Once all the translations are done and we have the PO > > files in hand, we run "make release-srpm" in release-notes/devel/ . > > This downloads the current CVS HEAD of some other modules: about-fedora, > > homepage, readme-burning-isos, readme-live-image, and readme. > > > > From each of these modules we build the required files in all languages > > marked in those modules (via their individual po/LINGUAS files, same as > > many other applications). We also build the release notes in HTML, and > > then make a great big tarball out of everything. > > > > That tarball is imported into the Fedora Package CVS repository, as a > > source tarball for that RPM, the same way a package maintainer would do > > for any package. (We also maintain a specfile in our CVS that is copied > > to the Fedora Package CVS. That's where we do testing of new tool stuff > > before we start messing with the "real" package CVS. > > > > Once in the Fedora Package CVS, the package is built by the normal > > packager toolchain (through koji and bodhi, and tagged for the distro) > > just like any other package. The fedora-release-notes package is > > required by the fedora-release package, so it ends up on pretty much all > > systems. > > > > To test or build the 'release-srpm' target, you need to have the > > "Authoring and Publishing" group and the "w3m" package installed via > > yum. > > > > Thanks! > > So when fedora-release-notes is installed, does that mean people can > view them by going System -> Documentatoin -> [something]? > > If this is the case, will this be on the Fedora 9 beta desktop? Yes, it has been and is. If you go to System -> Help you can see the Release Notes on the front page. If you use KDE it's also on the help menu. We've had this since... FC-6, I think. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080320/c4c59ee7/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Sat Mar 22 21:26:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:26:31 -0400 Subject: DUG target version? Message-ID: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask because the user-facing software situation for the network changes drastically in F-9 with NetworkManager by default. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080322/3716f2bd/attachment.sig> From herlo1 at gmail.com Sun Mar 23 19:59:16 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (herlo1 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:59:16 -0600 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> I was told F8 so that's what I've been focusing my work on. Cheers, Clint On 3/22/08, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask because the > user-facing software situation for the network changes drastically in > F-9 with NetworkManager by default. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Mon Mar 24 03:22:15 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:22:15 +0900 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was under the understanding F9 so thats what the screenshots and menu changes have been. Cheers, Marc On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 13:59 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > I was told F8 so that's what I've been focusing my work on. > > Cheers, > > Clint > > On 3/22/08, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > > Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask because the > > user-facing software situation for the network changes drastically in > > F-9 with NetworkManager by default. > > > > -- > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > From stickster at gmail.com Mon Mar 24 13:53:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:53:07 -0400 Subject: Changing the colophon Message-ID: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Our release notes "Colophon," which lists all the people who have contributed to the Release Notes, always accumulates names. In the past, we've never stripped out any old names. However, there is an important question we should resolve: How do we go forward from here? Options include: 1. Leave all the names on the list. a. ...because figuring out when someone's individual contributions are gone is REALLY hard, and people should be credited for that work as long as we think it might still be in the Release Notes or a translation somewhere. b. ...because people drift in and out of Fedora Project work, and shuffling names might not be a good use of time. 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. a. ...because this is reflective of who's working hard on writing, editing, translating, and packaging this edition. b. ...because it's easier to track and makes for a more sane length and meaningful content for the Colophon. There are probably other options but they all involve some give and take, and more work overall. These options are equally easy to maintain, I think; we just need to discuss them publicly and then pick. The FDSCo should probably decide on a policy in Wednesday's meeting, but it would be good to hear what the L10N and Docs communities think. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Clint On 3/23/08, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > I was under the understanding F9 so thats what the screenshots and menu > changes have been. > > Cheers, > > Marc > On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 13:59 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > > I was told F8 so that's what I've been focusing my work on. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Clint > > > > On 3/22/08, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask because the > > > user-facing software situation for the network changes drastically in > > > F-9 with NetworkManager by default. > > > > > > -- > > > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > > > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > > > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > > > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > > > > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 01:18:39 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:18:39 +1000 Subject: building the release notes rpm Message-ID: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Who is responsible for building the release notes RPM for the 1st of April? Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From noriko at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 01:40:40 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:40:40 +1000 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E85818.3060601@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > Our release notes "Colophon," which lists all the people who have > contributed to the Release Notes, always accumulates names. In the > past, we've never stripped out any old names. > > However, there is an important question we should resolve: How do we go > forward from here? Options include: > > 1. Leave all the names on the list. > a. ...because figuring out when someone's individual contributions are > gone is REALLY hard, and people should be credited for that work as long > as we think it might still be in the Release Notes or a translation > somewhere. > b. ...because people drift in and out of Fedora Project work, and > shuffling names might not be a good use of time. > > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. > a. ...because this is reflective of who's working hard on writing, > editing, translating, and packaging this edition. > b. ...because it's easier to track and makes for a more sane length > and meaningful content for the Colophon. +1 We still can see the contributors' names who worked previous version(s) in those version's colophon, can't we? noriko > > There are probably other options but they all involve some give and > take, and more work overall. These options are equally easy to > maintain, I think; we just need to discuss them publicly and then pick. > The FDSCo should probably decide on a policy in Wednesday's meeting, but > it would be good to hear what the L10N and Docs communities think. > > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 01:50:07 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:20:07 +0530 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <47E85818.3060601@redhat.com> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E85818.3060601@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47E85A4F.4010905@fedoraproject.org> Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. Release notes stuff is release specific usually. I would go with this. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 01:49:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:49:03 -0400 Subject: [DRAFT] F9 Beta release announcement Message-ID: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Jesse, look this over and correct as needed. = = = = = Ah, spring... when a young penguin's fancy lightly turns to thoughts of... Beta testing! Yes, spring has sprung, and so has the Beta release of Fedora 9! The Beta release is the point at which we really want and need the wider community's help with testing. Beta is a point of much greater stability in Fedora's development branch, but some fixes continue to occur to improve usability, performance, and stability. This release is great for early adopters and Linux enthusiasts! The Fedora 9 Beta boots on the majority of systems, and gives you an idea of how the final Fedora 9 will look and feel. Most importantly, we absolutely need community assistance to check features and provide feedback and bug reports, to help ensure that Fedora 9 is our best release ever. Some highlights of Fedora 9 Beta: * GNOME 2.22, with new features like a helpful world time clock, better file system performance, security improvements, power management at the login screen, the ability to dynamically configure displays, better Bluetooth integration, DVD and on-air and satellite digital TV support, YouTube searching, improved podcast support, and many other enhancements * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG * Firefox 3 Beta 5, featuring a native look and feel, desktop integration, the new Places that replaces bookmarks, and a reworked address bar * Support for resizing ext2, ext3 and NTFS partitions during install * Support for creating and installing to encrypted filesystems * PackageKit, a cross-distribution package management solution with a complete yum backend, designed to unify different distributions' software management with the latest technologies * Kernel 2.6.25-rc5 And numerous other improvements and enhancements. The full release notes are available at: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes Getting it: ========== The Beta release is available both through our mirroring system and via bittorrent. For direct http access to a local mirror: http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/9-Beta/ For a list of mirrors carrying the content and the various protocols they support: http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9-Beta/ For bittorrent: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ More Information: ============ For more information regarding the Beta release, please visit the release notes page: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080324/88f0a648/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 01:54:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:54:45 -0400 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:18 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Who is responsible for building the release notes RPM for the 1st of April? Cool Murray, thanks for volunteering! :-) Seriously though, this is part of the release-notes process and we'll help you (and any other interested people) through it. Interesting because it actually involves other modules on which we haven't done much (maybe enough) work recently. The about-fedora module is reasonably general so it doesn't require change very often. The readme, readme-burning-isos, and readme-live-image modules might be less so. Anyone care to take a look at them and see if there's anything worth fixing before we send out the final POT for the F9 "gold" release in a couple weeks? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080324/8f598932/attachment.sig> From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:21:38 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:21:38 +1000 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:18 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Who is responsible for building the release notes RPM for the 1st of April? > > Cool Murray, thanks for volunteering! > > :-) Hah! I'll start practicing building the RPMs now. Do you run "make release-srpm", or should it be...."make omf"? > > Seriously though, this is part of the release-notes process and we'll > help you (and any other interested people) through it. Interesting > because it actually involves other modules on which we haven't done much > (maybe enough) work recently. > The about-fedora module is reasonably general so it doesn't require > change very often. The readme, readme-burning-isos, and > readme-live-image modules might be less so. Anyone care to take a look > at them and see if there's anything worth fixing before we send out the > final POT for the F9 "gold" release in a couple weeks? > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > -- Thanks very much for your help so far! Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:26:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:26:31 -0400 Subject: [DRAFT] F9 Beta release announcement In-Reply-To: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206411991.10863.32.camel@localhost.localdomain> A couple additions: On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 21:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Jesse, look this over and correct as needed. > > = = = = = > > Ah, spring... when a young penguin's fancy lightly turns to thoughts > of... Beta testing! Yes, spring has sprung, and so has the Beta release > of Fedora 9! > > The Beta release is the point at which we really want and need the wider > community's help with testing. Beta is a point of much greater > stability in Fedora's development branch, but some fixes continue to > occur to improve usability, performance, and stability. This release is > great for early adopters and Linux enthusiasts! The Fedora 9 Beta boots > on the majority of systems, and gives you an idea of how the final > Fedora 9 will look and feel. Most importantly, we absolutely need > community assistance to check features and provide feedback and bug > reports, to help ensure that Fedora 9 is our best release ever. > > Some highlights of Fedora 9 Beta: > > * GNOME 2.22, with new features like a helpful world time clock, better > file system performance, security improvements, power management at the > login screen, the ability to dynamically configure displays, better > Bluetooth integration, DVD and on-air and satellite digital TV support, > YouTube searching, improved podcast support, and many other enhancements > * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new > concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called > Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware > integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG > * Firefox 3 Beta 5, featuring a native look and feel, desktop > integration, the new Places that replaces bookmarks, and a reworked > address bar > * Support for resizing ext2, ext3 and NTFS partitions during install > * Support for creating and installing to encrypted filesystems * Live image improvements and persistence * FreeIPA, to help make managing auditing, identity and policy easier > * PackageKit, a cross-distribution package management solution with a > complete yum backend, designed to unify different distributions' > software management with the latest technologies > * Kernel 2.6.25-rc5 > > And numerous other improvements and enhancements. > > The full release notes are available at: > http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes > > Getting it: > ========== > > The Beta release is available both through our mirroring system and > via bittorrent. > > For direct http access to a local mirror: > http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/test/9-Beta/ > > For a list of mirrors carrying the content and the various protocols > they support: > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9-Beta/ > > For bittorrent: > http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ > > More Information: > ============ > > For more information regarding the Beta release, please visit the > release notes page: > http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes > > > -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080324/7485eb0f/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:28:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:28:59 -0400 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206412139.10863.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 12:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:18 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Who is responsible for building the release notes RPM for the 1st of April? > > > > Cool Murray, thanks for volunteering! > > > > :-) > > Hah! > > I'll start practicing building the RPMs now. Do you run "make > release-srpm", or should it be...."make omf"? It will be 'make release-srpm', but don't expect it to work right away -- it's very dependent on translators to have finished their work. When they're done, we usually have to tweak some of the modules' po/LINGUAS files to keep errant locales from breaking the build if we can't fix them ourselves. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080324/2d31e26e/attachment.sig> From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 02:50:43 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (herlo1 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:50:43 -0600 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> Okay, I guess I deserved that! Thanks Paul. Now for the page on Pup in the DuG? Does it need to be updated to F9 (ala PackageKit) or stay as it is for F8? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Pup Cheers, Clint On 3/24/08, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 18:12 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > > If that's the case, then why does Pup still live? I am pretty sure > > that Pup has been deprecated in F9 for PackageKit. > > Because Fedora does not kill puppies, ever. > > -- > Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ > gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > From zachfedora at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 03:13:06 2008 From: zachfedora at gmail.com (Zachary Hamed) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:13:06 -0400 Subject: Short Intro... Message-ID: <a437c9b60803242013n45442b5eoc81f803f179eda19@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, My name is Zachary Hamed, Zach for short, and I live in the New York City area. I'm a sophomore high school student and got interested in Linux in general about a year ago. I tried Suse and found the installation to be a huge pain, so I switched to Fedora and have been using it ever since (dual-booting with Vista (1) because of school work and (2) because I can't get my Broadcom WiFi card to work with Fedora 8...grr...). I also just finished reading two books about Linux and the Open Source movement (Rebel Code: Inside Linux and the Open Source Revolution, by Glyn Moody, and Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary, by Linus Tovalds and David Diamond). At my current programming level (already know BASIC pretty well and trying to learn Ruby, but I also have to balance it with my schoolwork), I can't really contribute to the coding side of the Fedora Project, but I would love to help out in any way I can (I know it'll look good on the college applications; hoping to go to MIT!). Additionally, I am a very good English student (not my favorite subject, but I do well), so I would like to edit as many documents as I can, and I can even write some docs on newbie things (as I am one anyway). I looked over the Style Guide and all that, most to all of which I am familiar with (my school has a grammar proficiency test every year which I always pass, thought it's pass/fail so I can't share any grades with you). Again, it would be great to be another step in the editing process. Can anyone tell me where I go from here? What you guys are doing so far? I should get the gist of it once I get daily mailing list digests, but just in case... Thanks, Zach P.S. This email is in no way representative of my "formal writing" writing style; I had to rant and use parentheses a bit more than I usually do. From tombo at adamantio.net Tue Mar 25 05:02:01 2008 From: tombo at adamantio.net (Francesco Tombolini) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:02:01 +0100 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <47E85A4F.4010905@fedoraproject.org> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E85818.3060601@redhat.com> <47E85A4F.4010905@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47E88749.603@adamantio.net> Rahul Sundaram ha scritto: > Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >>> 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. > > Release notes stuff is release specific usually. I would go with this. > > Rahul > +1 -- Francesco Tombolini <tombo at adamantio.net> Key fingerprint = EDA9 7504 AA93 CEFC 5990 1356 8584 6B05 F140 5F73 http://www.adamantio.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080325/9616f00c/attachment.sig> From zachfedora at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 05:16:30 2008 From: zachfedora at gmail.com (Zachary Hamed) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:16:30 -0400 Subject: Intro, Revised and Reformulated Message-ID: <a437c9b60803242216u67eec790ja276076bcf88549e@mail.gmail.com> EDIT: Sorry, I just read the Fedora requirements for this introduction email, so I'm resending my previous one with corrections. Please disregard my previous email, and sorry for the inconvenience. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, My name is Zachary Hamed, Zach for short, and I live in the New York City area, USA. I'm a sophomore (grade 10) high school student at Collegiate School, and I got interested in Linux in general about a year ago. I tried OpenSUSE and found the installation to be a huge pain, so I switched to Fedora and have been using it ever since (dual-booting with Vista (1) because of school work and (2) because I can't get my Broadcom WiFi card to work with Fedora 8...grr...). I also just finished reading two books about Linux and the Open Source movement (Rebel Code: Inside Linux and the Open Source Revolution, by Glyn Moody, and Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental Revolutionary, by Linus Tovalds and David Diamond, both of which I highly recommend). I have a bit of programming experience. I can program pretty well in BASIC, and my dad is a computer programmer for a living. I'm also in the process of learning Ruby (and Rails for that matter). I've written a book on computers (www.joiningthedigitalworld.com) that I edited completely by myself, and of which I've sold about 200-250 copies (available on Amazon, BarnesAndNoble.com, and other retailers online). I'm now working on a project called Ease of Tech (www.easeoftech.com), which is kind of an Adobe AIR type overlay system to an OS...can't really get into it in detail here. In terms of what I would like to do for the Fedora Project, I can't really contribute much to the coding side, but I would love to help out in any way I can (I know it'll look good on the college applications; hoping to go to MIT!). Additionally, I am a very good English student (not my favorite subject, but I do well), so I would like to edit as many documents as I can, and I can even write some docs on newbie things (as I am one anyway). One thing I think is lacking for the documentation project is some kind of complete guide for complete newcomers to Linux. Ubuntu has been attracting a lot more users because of this, and I think Fedora could be a real alternative to Mac and Windows for older people if they had a comprehensive guide to just about everything up until the post-install period?it's also something I wouldn't mind working on. I think I'm a good match for the project because I'm a hard worker, am good in English (and getting better with programming), and really want to contribute to the community. I looked over the Style Guide and the associated rules, most to all of which I am familiar with (my school has a grammar proficiency test every year which I always pass, thought it's pass/fail so I can't share any grades with you). Again, it would be great for me to be another step in the editing process, or to even make a guide of my own. Can anyone tell me where I go from here? What you guys are doing so far? I should get the gist of it once I get daily mailing list digests, but just in case... Thanks, Zach P.S. This email is in no way representative of my "formal writing" writing style; I had to rant and use parentheses a bit more than I usually do. P.P.S. I'm still new to the idea of signing emails with this key. I submitted the key (or what I think was a key) to pgp.mit.edu, but is the stuff below in the correct format? I saw what format it *should* be in on the Fedora intro-email page, but I don't want to screw up and send out my private key, because apparently that would be really bad. All I did below was paste the text copied when I right-clicked on my key and selected "Copy Public Key" (this is in "Passwords and Encrypted Keys"). -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEfoiZ4RBADF/B8jv2irteaWjEB1+C7SXHCJmWIAI9+duvrKpIdj+UiV6aZi OijfMtMm/PEosHbhA47F8vNQAOYhcSBeasc2omvntrguHicBnP3WWKpFgU7jvJ8D Qch6nCDrjV/gpoyhdEUSp+3P7+DS31qHKb8ti44UQNzsGeb6Yi5Ucw2p/wCggu4H Ro27QPG+BxVJM3r7N5BFcisEAJPIsTJBxz5GmH5cgWJDmELJtgx78Ozq755SgdJt NqdL1vXUkOnwkvXytQ3TUehuq0Yi2aiM6YwN1D/kceWNdL7uyB0DhhAuU4UTf9i5 GPqSNpYCtajSVZueEp0x9Zo2eYS3qRocsg/Nxp8u1bXG1r7QKowbHth6bd97inKR 6QYSA/48glKFr41nEju2Y9QqYyy6BNmyPn1rkpfYmovRCKS6u1RgkfUNmdStflIa nmA5j49i/eknDt7g0HRQuOue9xJlgmf66W2AEP/+93UFp81Hc9o16Sz/wtODx8Kf Ld62RzC/fAFKv8lE9l3NOGQAWhK0Wvi0vBW0ndX0sWNBScsPfLRWWmFjaGFyeSBI YW1lZCAoSGlnaCBTY2hvb2wgU3R1ZGVudCBhbmQgRmVkb3JhIERvY3MgQ29udHJp YnV0b3IpIDx6YWNoZmVkb3JhQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6IYAQTEQIAIAUCR+iJngIbIwYL CQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEKKlT+L+xuf25d8An31S/k3oepwYT7if LlHQrYxTusSEAJ9tuJreyAhOYIDhUD5zmnddXnBj7bkCDQRH6ImeEAgAjMtcFkaT TUVx6aGzelAGqHwlApFlQ70mJE+fUqyOLT/abEdX2aw+UWXOLMFkMKY0kBnlQtE9 n5IJwHGfUge0Al2fhJA4dy/fV6v78rqV9GBbA08MZ4n+HI6F89P0VLeYrB/20IgB IgcWimDwC2A22MIQzOoKJcylQIagSxfTxliTjKgG2IxY/9yn3NHSHh3jI3nUfW3F hOxzV0/l9P9en+4/bect2qheRLMpJB/jo0/ZDnJJ4VP3pZ+HeTZ2zsvAaED2M6aX 1tuqb/PYQLRoW7rXpGbBW1JC1x8sKZUgu/wVBYmTDekeO/y+kqE03lfLpWb4/Y/b orXKCe9D0xasFwADBQgAgeKd3f+HPwpIXZ8i0/IErLt7xGO342zAWzKMI0vCWE/2 5mG9EwmJqH2yDI4hSd6rfyzxV1QXTBBnrXqZagrdbWXXmhQiZwu6kSgUUwcEW9C0 ZWcByeiVzjkuUDTz7Krr6aJgdk/IqDa1QsvMFC1CQpI/U7DAksg9L+MTwR8300wl uCC7gQo3P9m7IOKSHLO3uRwkz/koYNHzfdF0Gnsn/ccAS1VNW77wWGa7lDzEBchY LBEVjeA8P2WE3Re6cjJDNy1RAnpkS/kAa5d+NYMqfwPvWFQ+VX8Utt4cMaZdsAh2 VdKW9OQt0zmF77EzxUvenp4ARjpacyKu7M3Ufgu51IhJBBgRAgAJBQJH6ImeAhsM AAoJEKKlT+L+xuf2IJwAn1WvpJrPTU1W8eEBdvYe1ciwxx8VAJ9TjiM5+6Y0YG7M dzWBVeCzF8cvDA== =QFDP -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 05:35:22 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:35:22 +1000 Subject: Intro, Revised and Reformulated In-Reply-To: <a437c9b60803242216u67eec790ja276076bcf88549e@mail.gmail.com> References: <a437c9b60803242216u67eec790ja276076bcf88549e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803242235m8bf228bsb156abc7d31384d3@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Zachary Hamed <zachfedora at gmail.com> wrote: > EDIT: Sorry, I just read the Fedora requirements for this introduction > email, so I'm resending my previous one with corrections. Please > disregard my previous email, and sorry for the inconvenience. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone, > My name is Zachary Hamed, Zach for short, and I live in the New York > City area, USA. I'm a sophomore (grade 10) high school student at > Collegiate School, and I got interested in Linux in general about a > year ago. I tried OpenSUSE and found the installation to be a huge > pain, so I switched to Fedora and have been using it ever since > (dual-booting with Vista (1) because of school work and (2) because I > can't get my Broadcom WiFi card to work with Fedora 8...grr...). I > also just finished reading two books about Linux and the Open Source > movement (Rebel Code: Inside Linux and the Open Source Revolution, by > Glyn Moody, and Just for Fun: The Story of an Accidental > Revolutionary, by Linus Tovalds and David Diamond, both of which I > highly recommend). > > I have a bit of programming experience. I can program pretty well in > BASIC, and my dad is a computer programmer for a living. I'm also in > the process of learning Ruby (and Rails for that matter). I've written > a book on computers (www.joiningthedigitalworld.com) that I edited > completely by myself, and of which I've sold about 200-250 copies > (available on Amazon, BarnesAndNoble.com, and other retailers online). > I'm now working on a project called Ease of Tech (www.easeoftech.com), > which is kind of an Adobe AIR type overlay system to an OS...can't > really get into it in detail here. > > In terms of what I would like to do for the Fedora Project, I can't > really contribute much to the coding side, but I would love to help > out in any way I can (I know it'll look good on the college > applications; hoping to go to MIT!). Additionally, I am a very good > English student (not my favorite subject, but I do well), so I would > like to edit as many documents as I can, and I can even write some > docs on newbie things (as I am one anyway). One thing I think is > lacking for the documentation project is some kind of complete guide > for complete newcomers to Linux. Ubuntu has been attracting a lot more > users because of this, and I think Fedora could be a real alternative > to Mac and Windows for older people if they had a comprehensive guide > to just about everything up until the post-install period?it's also > something I wouldn't mind working on. > > I think I'm a good match for the project because I'm a hard worker, am > good in English (and getting better with programming), and really want > to contribute to the community. > > I looked over the Style Guide and the associated rules, most to all of > which I am familiar with (my school has a grammar proficiency test > every year which I always pass, thought it's pass/fail so I can't > share any grades with you). Again, it would be great for me to be > another step in the editing process, or to even make a guide of my > own. > > Can anyone tell me where I go from here? What you guys are doing so > far? I should get the gist of it once I get daily mailing list > digests, but just in case... > > Thanks, > Zach > > P.S. This email is in no way representative of my "formal writing" > writing style; I had to rant and use parentheses a bit more than I > usually do. > > P.P.S. I'm still new to the idea of signing emails with this key. I > submitted the key (or what I think was a key) to pgp.mit.edu, but is > the stuff below in the correct format? I saw what format it *should* > be in on the Fedora intro-email page, but I don't want to screw up and > send out my private key, because apparently that would be really bad. > All I did below was paste the text copied when I right-clicked on my > key and selected "Copy Public Key" (this is in "Passwords and > Encrypted Keys"). > > -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > mQGiBEfoiZ4RBADF/B8jv2irteaWjEB1+C7SXHCJmWIAI9+duvrKpIdj+UiV6aZi > OijfMtMm/PEosHbhA47F8vNQAOYhcSBeasc2omvntrguHicBnP3WWKpFgU7jvJ8D > Qch6nCDrjV/gpoyhdEUSp+3P7+DS31qHKb8ti44UQNzsGeb6Yi5Ucw2p/wCggu4H > Ro27QPG+BxVJM3r7N5BFcisEAJPIsTJBxz5GmH5cgWJDmELJtgx78Ozq755SgdJt > NqdL1vXUkOnwkvXytQ3TUehuq0Yi2aiM6YwN1D/kceWNdL7uyB0DhhAuU4UTf9i5 > GPqSNpYCtajSVZueEp0x9Zo2eYS3qRocsg/Nxp8u1bXG1r7QKowbHth6bd97inKR > 6QYSA/48glKFr41nEju2Y9QqYyy6BNmyPn1rkpfYmovRCKS6u1RgkfUNmdStflIa > nmA5j49i/eknDt7g0HRQuOue9xJlgmf66W2AEP/+93UFp81Hc9o16Sz/wtODx8Kf > Ld62RzC/fAFKv8lE9l3NOGQAWhK0Wvi0vBW0ndX0sWNBScsPfLRWWmFjaGFyeSBI > YW1lZCAoSGlnaCBTY2hvb2wgU3R1ZGVudCBhbmQgRmVkb3JhIERvY3MgQ29udHJp > YnV0b3IpIDx6YWNoZmVkb3JhQGdtYWlsLmNvbT6IYAQTEQIAIAUCR+iJngIbIwYL > CQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEKKlT+L+xuf25d8An31S/k3oepwYT7if > LlHQrYxTusSEAJ9tuJreyAhOYIDhUD5zmnddXnBj7bkCDQRH6ImeEAgAjMtcFkaT > TUVx6aGzelAGqHwlApFlQ70mJE+fUqyOLT/abEdX2aw+UWXOLMFkMKY0kBnlQtE9 > n5IJwHGfUge0Al2fhJA4dy/fV6v78rqV9GBbA08MZ4n+HI6F89P0VLeYrB/20IgB > IgcWimDwC2A22MIQzOoKJcylQIagSxfTxliTjKgG2IxY/9yn3NHSHh3jI3nUfW3F > hOxzV0/l9P9en+4/bect2qheRLMpJB/jo0/ZDnJJ4VP3pZ+HeTZ2zsvAaED2M6aX > 1tuqb/PYQLRoW7rXpGbBW1JC1x8sKZUgu/wVBYmTDekeO/y+kqE03lfLpWb4/Y/b > orXKCe9D0xasFwADBQgAgeKd3f+HPwpIXZ8i0/IErLt7xGO342zAWzKMI0vCWE/2 > 5mG9EwmJqH2yDI4hSd6rfyzxV1QXTBBnrXqZagrdbWXXmhQiZwu6kSgUUwcEW9C0 > ZWcByeiVzjkuUDTz7Krr6aJgdk/IqDa1QsvMFC1CQpI/U7DAksg9L+MTwR8300wl > uCC7gQo3P9m7IOKSHLO3uRwkz/koYNHzfdF0Gnsn/ccAS1VNW77wWGa7lDzEBchY > LBEVjeA8P2WE3Re6cjJDNy1RAnpkS/kAa5d+NYMqfwPvWFQ+VX8Utt4cMaZdsAh2 > VdKW9OQt0zmF77EzxUvenp4ARjpacyKu7M3Ufgu51IhJBBgRAgAJBQJH6ImeAhsM > AAoJEKKlT+L+xuf2IJwAn1WvpJrPTU1W8eEBdvYe1ciwxx8VAJ9TjiM5+6Y0YG7M > dzWBVeCzF8cvDA== > =QFDP > -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- > Hey, I usually add the following to the end: pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] You can get this information by running "gpg --fingerprint user at address.com...in my case this would be "gpg --fingerprint murray.mcallister at gmail.com". Hope the helps... Thanks, Murray. pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From emmanuel.seyman at club-internet.fr Tue Mar 25 09:01:20 2008 From: emmanuel.seyman at club-internet.fr (Emmanuel Seyman) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:01:20 +0100 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080325090120.GA26072@orient.maison.lan> * Paul W. Frields [24/03/2008 17:57] : > > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. This seems the best approach but it would be nice if we kept the complete list somewhere on the website for historical purposes. Emmanuel From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 25 09:56:44 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:56:44 +0900 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 20:50 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > Okay, I guess I deserved that! Thanks Paul. > > Now for the page on Pup in the DuG? Does it need to be updated to F9 > (ala PackageKit) or stay as it is for F8? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Pup > > Cheers, > > Clint The only thing is the name isn't it. I'm running F9 and I haven't seen anything significantly different except that it doesn't error out when I have yum-updatesd and run yum. Cheers, Marc From jkeating at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 02:45:50 2008 From: jkeating at redhat.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:45:50 -0400 Subject: [DRAFT] F9 Beta release announcement In-Reply-To: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206413150.3595.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 21:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > DVD and on-air and satellite digital TV support, > YouTube searching, There is that DVD mention again. It'll raise questions that we really don't want to necessarily direct attention to. YouTube is also questionable since we can't play the content there out of the box. Also missing is a blurb about Jigdo. Fedora 9 Beta is a trial run of offering Jigdo download support, which is a great alternative to folks who can't use bittorrent for whatever reason. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:48:07 -0400 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <20080325090120.GA26072@orient.maison.lan> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20080325090120.GA26072@orient.maison.lan> Message-ID: <1206445687.16498.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 10:01 +0100, Emmanuel Seyman wrote: > * Paul W. Frields [24/03/2008 17:57] : > > > > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. > > This seems the best approach but it would be nice if we kept the > complete list somewhere on the website for historical purposes. The info history has this, as do the prior release notes, preserved for prosperity. If we do take option #2, I don't see a need to create yet another list of the same information. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080325/0b066502/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 12:12:35 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:35 -0400 Subject: [DRAFT-2] F9 Beta release announcement In-Reply-To: <1206413150.3595.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206413150.3595.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206447155.16498.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 22:45 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 21:49 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > DVD and on-air and satellite digital TV support, > > YouTube searching, > > There is that DVD mention again. It'll raise questions that we really > don't want to necessarily direct attention to. YouTube is also > questionable since we can't play the content there out of the box. > > Also missing is a blurb about Jigdo. Fedora 9 Beta is a trial run of > offering Jigdo download support, which is a great alternative to folks > who can't use bittorrent for whatever reason. New draft: = = = = = Ah, spring... when a young penguin's fancy lightly turns to thoughts of... Beta testing! Yes, spring has sprung, and so has the Beta release of Fedora 9! The Beta release is the point at which we really want and need the wider community's help with testing. Beta is a point of much greater stability in Fedora's development branch, but some fixes continue to occur to improve usability, performance, and stability. This release is great for early adopters and Linux enthusiasts! The Fedora 9 Beta boots on the majority of systems, and gives you an idea of how the final Fedora 9 will look and feel. Most importantly, we absolutely need community assistance to check features and provide feedback and bug reports, to help ensure that Fedora 9 is our best release ever. Some highlights of Fedora 9 Beta: * GNOME 2.22, with new features like a helpful world time clock, better file system performance, security improvements, power management at the login screen, the ability to dynamically configure displays, better Bluetooth integration, improved podcast support, and many other enhancements * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG * Firefox 3 Beta 5, featuring a native look and feel, desktop integration, the new Places that replaces bookmarks, and a reworked address bar * Support for resizing ext2, ext3 and NTFS partitions during install * Support for creating and installing to encrypted filesystems * PackageKit, a cross-distribution package management solution with a complete yum backend, designed to unify different distributions' software management with the latest technologies * Kernel 2.6.25-rc5 And numerous other improvements and enhancements. The full release notes are available at: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes Getting it: =========== The Beta release is available through the following download methods: * (recommended) BitTorrent, an efficient and easy distributed file-sharing system * Jigdo, an alternative system that reduces download size in some situations, or for people who can't use BitTorrent * direct download from a mirror location near you To download, visit: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease More Information: ================= For more information regarding the Beta release, please visit the release notes page: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080325/a6534703/attachment.htm> From cody.dehaan at rochester.edu Tue Mar 25 13:01:21 2008 From: cody.dehaan at rochester.edu (Cody DeHaan) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:01:21 -0400 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <6600c1b10803250529l3bcadf55q1dcdd4546fefc026@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6600c1b10803250529l3bcadf55q1dcdd4546fefc026@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c70f4650803250601p44d80581q3c90f7ecdc2bf6e@mail.gmail.com> > > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. +1 Old release notes will give credit where it is due, and I think it will encourage more continued participation. -- Cody DeHaan cody.dehaan at gmail.com On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Diego B?rigo Zacar?o <diegobz at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2008/3/24, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>: > > > > > > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. > > > > +1 > > -- > Diego B?rigo Zacar?o > Linux User #402589 > USE SOFTWARE LIVRE > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From herlo1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 17:27:29 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (herlo1 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:27:29 -0600 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> IIRC, the icons should be different. When packages are available for download Pup has a small box icon, while PackageKit has a orange starburst icon. When PackageKit is checking for new updates, it has a small box icon with a document in front, so similar, but not the same. A simple way to check would be to run an rpm query: # rpm -qa '*Package*' PackageKit-0.1.9-1.fc9.i386 PackageKit-libs-0.1.9-1.fc9.i386 I'm sure you could also run something similar to see if you are still running Pup. Cheers, Clint On 3/25/08, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 20:50 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > > Okay, I guess I deserved that! Thanks Paul. > > > > Now for the page on Pup in the DuG? Does it need to be updated to F9 > > (ala PackageKit) or stay as it is for F8? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/Pup > > > > Cheers, > > > > Clint > > The only thing is the name isn't it. I'm running F9 and I haven't seen > anything significantly different except that it doesn't error out when I > have yum-updatesd and run yum. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From kwade at redhat.com Tue Mar 25 17:28:23 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:28:23 -0700 Subject: static Beta notes Message-ID: <1206466103.4531.30.camel@calliope.phig.org> Jon, Rahul, et al, thanks much for a great set of Beta release notes. We followed through with a proper static page this time, which was only a minor challenge: http://fedoraproject.org/en/f9-beta-relnotes.html FYI, I did: * Wiki => DocBook * Add DOCTYPE header (Moin bug), xmlto to make HTML * Edit HTML into the fp.org template - Skipped the markup that allows it to be translated (not a goal for Beta notes) - Removed lots of <div/> blocks in troubleshooting that probably didn't matter in the end; that is, could have left them to minimize conversion hassles Anyway, hoping we have a regular CMS in place for fp.o and don't have to do this sort of thing again. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080325/d7fc9c3a/attachment.sig> From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 17:52:22 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:22:22 +0530 Subject: static Beta notes In-Reply-To: <1206466103.4531.30.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206466103.4531.30.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47E93BD6.6090802@fedoraproject.org> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Anyway, hoping we have a regular CMS in place for fp.o and don't have to > do this sort of thing again. :) Is there any plan on this? I haven't seen any infrastructure requests. Somebody needs to drive this. Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 25 22:19:20 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:19:20 +0900 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206483560.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:27 -0600, herlo1 at gmail.com wrote: > IIRC, the icons should be different. When packages are available for > download Pup has a small box icon, while PackageKit has a orange > starburst icon. When PackageKit is checking for new updates, it has > a small box icon with a document in front, so similar, but not the > same. > > A simple way to check would be to run an rpm query: > > # rpm -qa '*Package*' > PackageKit-0.1.9-1.fc9.i386 > PackageKit-libs-0.1.9-1.fc9.i386 > > I'm sure you could also run something similar to see if you are still > running Pup. > > Cheers, > > Clint The icons in KDE4 are crapped out as they were in alpha so I can't actually see the icons properly. Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 22:35:41 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:05:41 +0530 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206483560.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> <1206483560.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E97E3D.8010708@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > The icons in KDE4 are crapped out as they were in alpha so I can't > actually see the icons properly. > You have all the latest updates? Has a bug report been filed? If it PackageKit, on the right click menu, you will find a about box which tells you that. Note that, Pirut does not get automatically obsoleted by PackageKit if you are upgrading from Alpha via yum. IIRC, we are waiting on feedback on PackageKit to decide on that. Rahul From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Tue Mar 25 22:39:46 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:39:46 +0900 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <47E97E3D.8010708@fedoraproject.org> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> <1206483560.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E97E3D.8010708@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206484786.2759.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 04:05 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > > > > > The icons in KDE4 are crapped out as they were in alpha so I can't > > actually see the icons properly. > > > > You have all the latest updates? Has a bug report been filed? If it > PackageKit, on the right click menu, you will find a about box which > tells you that. > > Note that, Pirut does not get automatically obsoleted by PackageKit if > you are upgrading from Alpha via yum. IIRC, we are waiting on feedback > on PackageKit to decide on that. > > Rahul > [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep pirut pirut-1.3.30-2.fc9.noarch [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep pup [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep package jpackage-utils-1.7.4-2jpp.2.fc9.noarch yum-packagekit-0.1.9-2.fc9.i386 gnome-packagekit-0.1.9-4.fc9.i386 I have reported the bugs on my wiki page which the kde-sig knows about. I'll double check with Kevin about it later today. Cheers, Marc From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Tue Mar 25 22:47:36 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:17:36 +0530 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206484786.2759.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803231259j7170acc9n5e1cc4f5c05e9232@mail.gmail.com> <1206328935.3085.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241712m16a4ca2v6f183fa7fa53dfa5@mail.gmail.com> <1206409837.10863.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803241950l2817db9fr7e69c2743812d593@mail.gmail.com> <1206439004.2809.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> <d9e12e8a0803251027t2bdf64a4i891af47183341f05@mail.gmail.com> <1206483560.2759.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E97E3D.8010708@fedoraproject.org> <1206484786.2759.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E98108.8090900@fedoraproject.org> Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep pirut > pirut-1.3.30-2.fc9.noarch > [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep pup > [marc at localhost Desktop]$ rpm -qa | grep package > jpackage-utils-1.7.4-2jpp.2.fc9.noarch > yum-packagekit-0.1.9-2.fc9.i386 > gnome-packagekit-0.1.9-4.fc9.i386 So you have installed Alpha and done a yum update. This is expected. Pup is part of Pirut and not a separate package. If you update, you will have both Pirut and PackageKit installed. I suggest you remove Pirut manually to avoid a clash and work with PackageKit for Fedora 9 documentation. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 26 00:40:18 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 06:10:18 +0530 Subject: [DRAFT-2] F9 Beta release announcement In-Reply-To: <1206447155.16498.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206413150.3595.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206447155.16498.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47E99B72.1020400@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: [I missed providing feedback on this earlier but some thoughts now] > * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new > concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called > Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware > integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG We should probably have expanded and said KDE Special Interest Group or just Fedora KDE team and avoided the jargon. > * Jigdo, an alternative system that reduces download size in some > situations, or for people who can't use BitTorrent If we are using this release to estimate interest in jidgo, one important consideration is that we haven't published good official documentation on how to use this. The tools involved are not very user friendly to understand the process without documentation either. Rahul From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 02:25:28 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:25:28 +1000 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop Message-ID: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin Guide etc on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? I can help with these if there is... Thanks! Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From zachfedora at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 04:04:36 2008 From: zachfedora at gmail.com (Zachary Hamed) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:04:36 -0400 Subject: A Few Questions... Message-ID: <a437c9b60803252104q4c0ede42hd48feed394630e7e@mail.gmail.com> Hi again guys, First of all, thank you Mr. McAllister for your help with the GPG key...clearly it's all fixed below. Next, can anyone give me an idea of what you usually do with this project? About how many people contribute to the Fedora Docs project? How does the editing process occur (i.e. how do the editors circulate the documents they edit)? Most importantly, though, how do you get editing jobs? I'm all ready for some editing, so how am I informed of the documents I should edit? Thanks again, Zach -- pub 1024D/FEC6E7F6 2008-03-25 [expires 2009-01-20] key fingerprint = CA07 844A 0730 4C1B C11A 381E A2A5 4FE2 FEC6 E7F6 Zachary Hamed (Fedora Docs Contributor) <zachfedora at gmail.com> sub 2048g/3F7CCFAB 2008-03-25 [expires 2009-01-20] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Mar 26 04:54:39 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:54:39 +1000 Subject: A Few Questions... In-Reply-To: <a437c9b60803252104q4c0ede42hd48feed394630e7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <a437c9b60803252104q4c0ede42hd48feed394630e7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803252154wbbc33e8xc6e4299db4d70a37@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Zachary Hamed <zachfedora at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi again guys, > First of all, thank you Mr. McAllister for your help with the GPG > key...clearly it's all fixed below. > > Next, can anyone give me an idea of what you usually do with this > project? About how many people contribute to the Fedora Docs project? > How does the editing process occur (i.e. how do the editors circulate > the documents they edit)? Most importantly, though, how do you get > editing jobs? I'm all ready for some editing, so how am I informed of > the documents I should edit? > > Thanks again, > Zach > > -- > pub 1024D/FEC6E7F6 2008-03-25 [expires 2009-01-20] > key fingerprint = CA07 844A 0730 4C1B C11A 381E A2A5 4FE2 FEC6 E7F6 > Zachary Hamed (Fedora Docs Contributor) <zachfedora at gmail.com> > sub 2048g/3F7CCFAB 2008-03-25 [expires 2009-01-20] > Hey Zach, Nice work with the GPG key. As I understand it, you don't need to get a job, you just go for it. Content starts off on a wiki, and then it is editied, and then converted to docbook. The Desktop User Guide and Administration Guide are ready for editing (refer to section that are marked "Edit Ready"): Administration Guide: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AdministrationGuide I haven't looked at the Desktop User Guide, but there is a table at the bottom, showing the current status: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide Maybe you could look at editing under the "Wordsmith" section... You could ask John Babich, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBabich, the lead writer for the Desktop User Guide if you have further questions... Hope that helps. Thanks, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 26 14:26:34 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:26:34 +0900 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EA5D1A.20508@mwiriadi.id.au> Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin Guide etc > on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? > > I can help with these if there is... > > Thanks! > > Murray. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > That was my hope............. Cheers, Marc From kwade at redhat.com Wed Mar 26 19:29:56 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:29:56 -0700 Subject: Changing the colophon In-Reply-To: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206366787.3101.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206559796.4531.215.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 09:53 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > 2. Erase the whole list and start over each cycle. This has the consensus, great. Seems from the meeting happening right now we have 100% agreement. Any volunteer(s) to help with the colophon? This first time is going to be a bit harder because we have to write the how-to documentation as we learn it. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Branch what is there into an F-8 and F-9 version Use the new structure? wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/8/Draft wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/9/Draft 3. Dig out the changes that make it F-9 and put those in one version 4. Look in the history for the changes that make it F-8 and put those in the other version The point is, we had 90% of the work for an F-8 guide completed, why not version it and help it get done. Coincidentally, we have 70% of the work for F-9 done, same deal. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rodriguez) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:22:31 -0600 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop In-Reply-To: <47EA5D1A.20508@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> <47EA5D1A.20508@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <ca0e1ff30803261422y4ad35b00ka488e20a97030180@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin Guide etc > > on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? > > > > I can help with these if there is... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Murray. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB > > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) < > murray.mcallister at gmail.com> > > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > > > > > That was my hope............. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > Is there anything that can be done to help have the documentation in System->Documentation before Fedora 9 Releases? Cheers -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net Visita http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080326/aa90aba9/attachment.htm> From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Wed Mar 26 21:33:17 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:33:17 +0900 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop In-Reply-To: <ca0e1ff30803261422y4ad35b00ka488e20a97030180@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> <47EA5D1A.20508@mwiriadi.id.au> <ca0e1ff30803261422y4ad35b00ka488e20a97030180@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1206567197.2759.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <snip> > Is there anything that can be done to help have the documentation in > System->Documentation before Fedora 9 Releases? > > Cheers > -- > Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno > Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos > Sitio: www.isocron.net > Visita http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/ Yes we can finish the pages of so we can transfer them to docbook and get the new screenshots up. Does anyone know when the new artwork is going to be installed? Apart from that the major alterations back to F8 can be done so we may have two systems. The current pirut etc pages can be kept to be used for F8 documentation but personally I would think if we work with F-9 and then continue per release then it would be better but thats my opnion. Cheers, Marc From couf at skynet.be Wed Mar 26 21:45:35 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:45:35 +0100 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-03-26 IRC log Message-ID: <1206567935.29453.8.camel@localhost> 20:17 < quaid> <meeting> 20:17 < couf> disco 20:17 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCO meeting, gathering the souls 20:19 -!- jmtaylor [n=jason at fedora/jmtaylor] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:19 < stickster> Documentation, wooo! 20:19 < quaid> docmentation lad 20:19 -!- stickster changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Documentation Project -- it's all about the Docs, baby! 20:19 < quaid> lesson one of the wiki, if you have a page loaded, don't edit that, edit in a new tab, because there is no guarantee you'll get it up in time for the meeting to start 20:20 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDocumentation!SCo mtg ::: Colophon policy for release notes 20:20 < quaid> by golly, a new thing to discuss 20:21 < couf> fiesta 20:21 -!- smooge [n=smooge at canopus.unm.edu] has left #fedora-meeting ["-ENOTIME"] 20:21 * stickster takes credit for new topic 20:21 < quaid> ok, so who knows anything about this? 20:21 < quaid> you may speak 20:22 < stickster> Re: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-March/msg00152.html 20:22 < stickster> The responses so far are unanimous that #2 is the solution, wipe the Colophon each release and gather it again based on CVS commits and other activity. 20:22 < stickster> Makes for easier tracking (i.e. only have to do it for the release we're in) 20:23 < couf> +1 to #2 20:23 < stickster> And if you want your name in, you better get hoppin'! :-) 20:23 -!- schlobinux_ [n=xavierb at AGrenoble-257-1-112-6.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:23 < stickster> I'm +1 to #2 as well. 20:23 < couf> yeah and the old names are still available in other versions of the relnotes 20:23 < stickster> Exactly. 20:23 -!- gospo [n=gospo at nat/redhat/x-999a994c8af35a5e] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:24 * quaid looks, one second 20:24 < couf> Q: where do we start? as in everyone who committed to devel since the F-<previous version> branch or after the pot-drop? 20:25 < quaid> also there is the wiki commits 20:25 < stickster> couf: I'd say start with beat writers for the current release 20:25 < quaid> so I'd say, anything after the last wiki snapshot for the previous release 20:25 < stickster> quaid *jinx 20:25 < couf> aye 20:25 < stickster> So it would be those people, plus any translators from the first POT drop 20:25 < stickster> onward 20:25 < quaid> yeah, man, give credit to the soul who comes and cleans up the last mess 20:25 < quaid> onward 20:25 < stickster> No kidding 20:25 < couf> right-o 20:26 < stickster> Votes? Votes? 20:26 < stickster> We have (2) +1's thus far 20:26 < couf> and about 10 communitized +1's too 20:26 < quaid> looks like list agrees 20:26 -!- knurd is now known as knurd_afk 20:27 < quaid> +1 to "slick that sucker each release" method 20:27 < quaid> all right! 20:27 < quaid> we have a real consensus 20:27 < quaid> now we just need a volunteer to do the work 20:28 < couf> right, that was my second question :-) 20:29 < couf> looking at the page it seems that a lot have actually added themselves, so that'll probably be an easy one 20:30 < quaid> ok, I emailed the question to the thread 20:30 < quaid> and asking translators to add themselves to the wiki page is a great method, too 20:30 < quaid> that is, add yourself if you want guarantee, and we'll look in the logs anyway 20:31 < couf> indeed 20:31 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi at nat/redhat/x-ca74e5403d1c08be] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:31 < quaid> ok 20:32 < quaid> I think we have what we need squeezed from that topic, eh? 20:32 * quaid momentarily distracted by short, adorable people 20:32 < quaid> any mo' on this topic? 20:32 -!- kital [n=Joerg_Si at fedora/kital] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:33 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDocumentation!SCo mtg ::: Single source summary ... 20:33 < quaid> onward then 20:33 * quaid heard the sound of the bell there, he was sure of it 20:33 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SingleSourceSummary 20:33 < quaid> now, as I expected, I haven't touched it since I poured it all into the pot, gave it a stir, and added some salt and pepper 20:34 -!- ldimagg__ [n=ldimaggi at nat/redhat/x-f047abd9f59e823b] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:34 < stickster> quaid: You took my bell joke! 20:35 * stickster meant to devote some time to SSS and ran out of cycles. 20:35 < quaid> stickster: "redistributed" 20:36 < quaid> I'm going to hang a CC BY SA sign around my neck 20:36 < stickster> ha 20:36 < quaid> "You may take whatever I say, think about it, and say what you will from it." 20:36 * couf needs to say photographic evidence first 20:36 < stickster> So about the SSS... 20:37 < couf> s/say/see 20:37 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary actually 20:38 < quaid> what we manage ther 20:38 < quaid> e 20:38 < quaid> is the technical content 20:39 < quaid> so, ideally, we can give some raw ideas into the overview type pages and let other writers (who may be some of us) add their polish; share this with Mktg 20:39 -!- jsmith [n=user at 72.21.36.138] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 * jsmith stumbles in late 20:39 < stickster> quaid: I don't think enough people know what tasks they're supposed to complete on this page. 20:39 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa at fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:39 < quaid> moin jsmith :D 20:39 < jsmith> moin moin 20:39 < stickster> ~lart jsmith 20:39 < quaid> stickster: I haven't really put thunks into it 20:45 -!- rdieter [n=rdieter at sting.unl.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:46 < quaid> and there we are 20:46 * quaid had in house distractions, sorry 20:46 < quaid> not sure how to tackle the SSS 20:48 < stickster> quaid: Should we be marking tags around the beginning and end of each section? 20:48 < stickster> Adding content? 20:48 < quaid> well, I see that some content actually needs to be sucked in _from_ the Beats pages, not vice versa, right? 20:48 * stickster tempted to ask about next actions since he's reading that part of GTD 20:48 < quaid> that is, let people continue editing the Beats pages as-is 20:49 < stickster> Yeah, we don't want to screw the Beats process at this point in F9 20:49 < quaid> ok, if I had the time to do this, i would do these actions: 20:50 < quaid> * wrap ## comments around OverView in the Beats, then pull that back in to the SSS 20:50 < quaid> * Look at what is common amongst the other content for merging 20:50 < quaid> * mark ## comments around that content for inclusion in other pages 20:51 < quaid> * scope all pages needing content, what do they need, etc. 20:51 < quaid> ** begin pulling pieces 20:51 * stickster suggests for anywhere we use [[Include(x,y,z)]] outside the SSS page, we should leave a starting note to let people know not to bother it 20:51 < stickster> ## This content is drawn from another page. Don't remove this macro without talking to the Docs Project first. 20:52 < stickster> ## Or unless you really, REALLY know what you're doing. 20:52 < quaid> +1 20:52 < couf> yeah, good idea 20:52 < quaid> ok, there are my actions 20:53 < quaid> let's at least get them minutes-ized 20:53 < stickster> We haven't jmbabich today, who's minutizing? 20:53 * quaid just noticed that 20:54 < couf> I'll do it 20:54 < quaid> thanks! 20:54 < stickster> Thank you couf! 20:54 * quaid was about to say something sarcastic 20:54 < couf> which would be? :-) 20:54 < quaid> in a good way, of course :) 20:55 < quaid> "don't hurt your arm sockets waving your volunteering hands" 20:55 < quaid> something stupid like that :) 20:55 < quaid> seriously ... 20:55 -!- alleycat [n=lonewolf at fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["If you look like your passport picture, you probably need the trip!"] 20:55 < couf> heh :) 20:56 -!- abadger1999 [n=abadger1 at 136.245.7.181] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:56 < quaid> ok, while the wiki is whacked ... 20:56 < quaid> last few minutes we can talk about /// 20:56 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg ::: active content work 20:57 < quaid> relnotes are doing OK ... 20:57 < quaid> some changes rolled in to wiki, etc. 20:58 < quaid> beta notes went fine 20:58 < stickster> Yeah, this one came together pretty well 20:58 < stickster> I did a little frenzied stuff with f13 the night before, but it was less than par for the course, actually 20:58 < quaid> mizmo, mlanglie came in to help with making a mucho cooler relnotes landing page for F9 final 20:58 < couf> thumbs up to all who did the work 20:58 < stickster> One thing we should definitely try to keep in mind is to standardize our linking to the downloads 20:58 -!- jmbuser [n=jmbuser at c-98-204-160-140.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:59 < jmbuser> meeting? 20:59 < quaid> the current discussion is to reorganize the content around reader interests, and we'll try to do that with the existing XML pulled in a different XInclude structure 20:59 < quaid> jmbuser: still going 20:59 < couf> moin jmbuser 20:59 < stickster> We tried to consistently use http://fp.o/get-prerelease and http://fp.o/<static_relnotes> this time around 20:59 < couf> which worries me a little cause the final relnotes are supposed to go to docs.fp.o 21:00 < stickster> couf: That's an interesting point, and intersects with quaid's last statement 21:00 < stickster> You see... 21:00 < stickster> I think that the notes on the static site, where we send people at first, either from fp.o front page or start.fp.o, need more reworking than just content shuffling. 21:01 < stickster> I think they ought to be trimmed and edited to be more like gnome.org's 21:02 < stickster> On every page/section, those trimmed "splashy" notes can link to our big release notes document for indepth info 21:02 < couf> agreed 21:02 * couf always liked gnome's way of doing it 21:02 < stickster> This *could* mean more work and strings, but since we have to do this repeatedly anyway for release announcements and other overview, it's actually a way to save some work 21:02 < stickster> Especially if we use summaries on SSS to write in human language. 21:03 < quaid> hrm 21:03 < quaid> this is a bit of an effort, for sure 21:03 < stickster> "How does this help the <user/developer/admin> kick ass?" 21:03 < quaid> can we do this in the time remaining? do we have the resources? 21:03 < stickster> We have the power 21:03 * quaid puts on his curmudgeon hat 21:03 < stickster> We have some webmonkey help 21:03 < couf> l10n won't like this ;-) 21:03 < stickster> couf: Well, it's putting some new strings on the web site, to be sure. 21:03 < quaid> well 21:04 < quaid> yes, website side 21:04 < quaid> so 21:04 < quaid> if we do the work *now*ish 21:04 < couf> ricky: ping 21:04 < quaid> then it can be translated in the weeks up to GA where the main package trans is mostly done 21:04 < stickster> Right 21:04 < stickster> And we know the feature set already. 21:04 < couf> true enough 21:05 < quaid> can we suck in the strings from OverView PO files into the website PO files? 21:05 < stickster> Probably 21:05 < quaid> so that's the idea on the table 21:05 < stickster> But much of the OverView beat as it is right now needs to be rewritten for this usage. 21:05 < quaid> turn our resources to doing this 21:05 * stickster for it. 21:05 < stickster> We've got EvilBob+team on IG already 21:05 < quaid> while we still have DUG, AG, SMG, and Enc/CryptoG 21:06 < quaid> we really need a new source of editors 21:06 < stickster> quaid: I think the relnotes are a good place for you and me to put our experience, since it's a new venture. 21:06 < stickster> We can spread that particular love/pain in F10 21:06 < stickster> We're already doing pretty well at spreading out the other guides 21:06 < couf> you've got mdious too on relnotes 21:07 < stickster> True 21:07 < stickster> So I say let's go for it 21:07 < quaid> heh 21:07 < quaid> but I'm a curmudgeon! 21:07 < quaid> ah, well, rising tide and all that 21:07 * quaid sends begging for editors email 21:07 * stickster needs to bail for a bit... call 21:07 < stickster> back in 10 on #f-docs 21:07 < quaid> k 21:08 < quaid> there isn't anything new on the other content, fwiw 21:08 < quaid> so we can call for other business or quit 21:08 -!- quaid changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FDSCo mtg ::: Other bidness 21:08 < couf> the only thing would be: DUG target version 21:08 < quaid> oh, right! 21:08 < quaid> well, do we need to decide that? or is that an on-list discussion/decision? 21:09 < couf> on-list is fine 21:09 < couf> writers are following that topic 21:10 < ricky> couf: Ah, sorry, I pretty much have to leave in a minute. 21:10 < quaid> yep, agreed 21:10 < couf> ricky: no problem, was just wondering what date the website would freeze for F9 21:10 * quaid sees it has wandered 21:10 < quaid> all right then, we'll get ready to pull the plug on this mtg 21:11 < couf> go for it 21:11 < ricky> couf: How long do you think translators need? 21:11 < ricky> (Before final release) 21:12 < couf> ricky: if you can give them 2 weeks that would be awesome 21:12 < ricky> OK, in that case, around mid-april (15th or before fine?) 21:13 < couf> 15th is fine 21:13 < ricky> All right, thanks for the reminder. 21:13 < quaid> ok 21:13 < couf> quaid: that means we need to finish the web transition on the 15 too 21:13 < quaid> right 21:13 < quaid> got that stickster !!! 21:13 < couf> heh 21:13 < quaid> ok, closing in 5 21:13 < quaid> 5 21:13 < quaid> 4 21:13 < quaid> 3 21:14 < quaid> 2 21:14 < quaid> </meeting> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Look at what is common amongst the other content for merging ? mark ## comments around that content for inclusion in other pages ? scope all pages needing content, what do they need, etc. ? pull in the content - create a new type of relnotes based on SSS summaries (human language) to be used on the main landing site, sort of like the GNOME release notes. These would link to the complete notes which still live at docs.fp.o (Karsten, Paul) - Website freeze: April 15th * Other work: to be addressed on-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Marc Wiriadisastra <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > <snip> > > > Is there anything that can be done to help have the documentation in > > System->Documentation before Fedora 9 Releases? > > > > Cheers > > -- > > Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno > > Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos > > Sitio: www.isocron.net > > Visita http://proyectofedora.org/mexico/ > > > Yes we can finish the pages of so we can transfer them to docbook and > get the new screenshots up. > > Does anyone know when the new artwork is going to be installed? > > Apart from that the major alterations back to F8 can be done so we may > have two systems. The current pirut etc pages can be kept to be used for > F8 documentation but personally I would think if we work with F-9 and > then continue per release then it would be better but thats my opnion. > > > > Cheers, > > Marc > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Cody DeHaan cody.dehaan at gmail.com From jfearn at redhat.com Thu Mar 27 00:43:36 2008 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:43:36 +1000 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47EAEDB8.50206@redhat.com> Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin Guide etc > on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? > > I can help with these if there is... > What format does fedora want on the desktop? Currently fedora desktop rpms, produced by publican, are html-single. It is possible to ship, html chunked (boo, hiss, curse) or XML (boo). Cheers, Jeff. -- Jeff Fearn <jfearn at redhat.com> Software Engineer Engineering Operations Red Hat, Inc From herlo1 at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 01:34:18 2008 From: herlo1 at gmail.com (Clint Savage) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:34:18 -0600 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206562511.4531.225.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206562511.4531.225.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <d9e12e8a0803261834w3414eb3cp33eaad1ca646158e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade at redhat.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 17:26 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask because the > > user-facing software situation for the network changes drastically in > > F-9 with NetworkManager by default. > > Whoops. We are definitely across each other right now. Half of us are > working on F-8 and half on F-9 content. > > Can we: > > 1. Freeze work on the DUG for a few days > 2. Branch what is there into an F-8 and F-9 version > Use the new structure? > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/8/Draft > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/9/Draft > 3. Dig out the changes that make it F-9 and put those in one version > 4. Look in the history for the changes that make it F-8 and put those in > the other version > > The point is, we had 90% of the work for an F-8 guide completed, why not > version it and help it get done. Coincidentally, we have 70% of the > work for F-9 done, same deal. > > - Karsten > Sounds good to me. Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We are definitely across each other right now. Half > of us are > working on F-8 and half on F-9 content. > > Can we: > > 1. Freeze work on the DUG for a few days > 2. Branch what is there into an F-8 and F-9 version > Use the new structure? > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/8/Draft > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/9/Draft > 3. Dig out the changes that make it F-9 and put those in one > version > 4. Look in the history for the changes that make it F-8 and > put those in > the other version > > The point is, we had 90% of the work for an F-8 guide > completed, why not > version it and help it get done. Coincidentally, we have 70% > of the > work for F-9 done, same deal. > > - Karsten > > Sounds good to me. > > Clint +1 from me I won't be able to do it for a week. Since come Sunday I'm gone for a week on a training course for my job. Cheers, Marc > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:43:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:43:15 +0000 Subject: [DRAFT-2] F9 Beta release announcement In-Reply-To: <47E99B72.1020400@fedoraproject.org> References: <1206409743.10863.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206413150.3595.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206447155.16498.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <47E99B72.1020400@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1206621795.7745.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 06:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > [I missed providing feedback on this earlier but some thoughts now] > > > * KDE 4.0.2, which includes a brand new desktop and panel with many new > > concepts, integrated desktop search, a brand new visual style called > > Oxygen, a new multimedia API called Phonon, and a new hardware > > integration framework called Solid -- all integrated by Fedora's KDE SIG > > We should probably have expanded and said KDE Special Interest Group or > just Fedora KDE team and avoided the jargon. Fair enough. > > * Jigdo, an alternative system that reduces download size in some > > situations, or for people who can't use BitTorrent > > If we are using this release to estimate interest in jidgo, one > important consideration is that we haven't published good official > documentation on how to use this. The tools involved are not very user > friendly to understand the process without documentation either. This sounds like something that should appear in formal documentation, with a link from the fp.o/get-fedora and fp.o/get-prerelease pages. Just needs someone to write it. All hands here seem fully committed these days, but yet we have hundreds of subscribers here, of whom a couple might like to cut their teeth on a simple document like this. The Fedora Unity guys have used Jigdo for a while, and Bob Jensen has people working on the Installation Guide already -- maybe one or two people from FU can consider drafting a Jigdo tutorial; shouldn't need more than a couple sections to address the average user's needs, considering that if they're using jigdo, they're already Linux users and not people new to the concepts. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rodriguez wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Marc Wiriadisastra > <marc at mwiriadi.id.au> wrote: > Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin > Guide etc > > on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? > > > > I can help with these if there is... > > > > Thanks! > > > > Murray. > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D > 81B3 FDEB > > Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) > <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> > > sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] > > > > > > > That was my hope............. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > Is there anything that can be done to help have the documentation in I'm not sure we can enter packages after the feature freeze point. But that doesn't mean we can't have this done in Rawhide and for F-10. We have stubs for this already in our CVS toolchain, it just needs some polishing and process docs behind it. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080327/4ddd7ee7/attachment.sig> From stickster at gmail.com Thu Mar 27 12:46:34 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:46:34 +0000 Subject: Fedora documentation on the desktop In-Reply-To: <47EAEDB8.50206@redhat.com> References: <95f1114b0803251925x1c180c6ep958aa58da589a1f6@mail.gmail.com> <47EAEDB8.50206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1206621994.7745.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 10:43 +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > Murray McAllister wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Are there any plans to include the Desktop User Guide, Admin Guide etc > > on the Fedora desktop (eg, System->Documentation)? > > > > I can help with these if there is... > > > > What format does fedora want on the desktop? Currently fedora desktop > rpms, produced by publican, are html-single. It is possible to ship, > html chunked (boo, hiss, curse) or XML (boo). XML has its privileges too -- it's easy to include those docs in the System > Help, at least with yelp and khelpcenter. :-) We do this already with About Fedora and the Release Notes. Maybe there's an enhancement to be filed there...? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields wrote: > > This sounds like something that should appear in formal documentation, > with a link from the fp.o/get-fedora and fp.o/get-prerelease pages. > Just needs someone to write it. All hands here seem fully committed > these days, but yet we have hundreds of subscribers here, of whom a > couple might like to cut their teeth on a simple document like this. > > The Fedora Unity guys have used Jigdo for a while, and Bob Jensen has > people working on the Installation Guide already -- maybe one or two > people from FU can consider drafting a Jigdo tutorial; shouldn't need > more than a couple sections to address the average user's needs, > considering that if they're using jigdo, they're already Linux users > and > not people new to the concepts. This ties into the 'get-fedora' rewrite that we were "whiteboarding" during the shuttle bus trip home the other day. Mo got a lot of good ideas during that session and I hope to see something from her soon on this. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Right now we need to get, at least, the information that is specific to Fedora 9 into the document. I think most of it is there but I want to clean it up a bit before letting the editors at it. I'm currently doing updates on my Rawhide box and then I'm going to play to see if I can break a few things. Eric Gayathri Swaminathan wrote: | Hey Eric: | | Not long ago Murray had forwarded this to the list: | http://www.nsa.gov/snac/downloads_redhat.cfm?MenuID=scg10.3.1.1 | | While there are lots of reference materials like these as security best | practices sources, there is a lack of less daunting simple starters! | | Instead of by "type of crypt" perhaps a cook book style of: | | - <Security/privacy guideline> for <title> - example, "Securing filesystem" | - Scenarios - why it is needed? when it is needed? | - Standards - mention best practice here | - How to do it | | Count me in for assistance. | | On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Eric H Christensen | <eric at christensenplace.us <mailto:eric at christensenplace.us>> wrote: | | I've been working on updating the Crypto Guide (or Encryption and | Privacy Guide) [1] but I've run into a few snags. Karsten "Quaid" | and I have been talking about the different information that should | be included but we've come to a point where we need input from the | group. | | Originally the Crypto Guide was written to show how to implement | LUKS disk encryption within Fedora. This has been done and tested. | Being that this is the "Encryption and Privacy Guide" proposed | topics to include in the guide are: | | - LUKS Disk Encryption Solution | - eCryptfs Disk Encryption Solution | - GnuPG (GPG) File Encryption Solution | - GnuPG (GPG) Email Encryption Solution | - SSH | - VPNs | - Other related references. | | I guess the biggest problem is where do you draw the line between | Fedora-specific implementations and good security practices that | have information available somewhere else? | | So I'm asking you what should be included in the Guide and what | shouldn't. I'm going to try to go put as much information into the | topics that are listed above but this has to be out the door for F9 | so I don't want to put too much information into it. If anyone | would like to assist writing on any of the above topics please let | me know. | | Eric | | | [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/CryptoGuide - -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com <mailto:fedora-docs-list at redhat.com> To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list | -- | Gayathri Swaminathan | gpgkey: 3EFB3D39 | Volunteer, FDP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH7EE7L5V8yddJCO0RAqtuAJ4wr1d6HmOPZCVTakp5MCmeoKRK6gCfc03V pRz+zTpQhFqySVk4z/sGIt4= =W9OS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From marc at mwiriadi.id.au Fri Mar 28 09:38:48 2008 From: marc at mwiriadi.id.au (Marc Wiriadisastra) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:38:48 +0900 Subject: DUG target version? In-Reply-To: <1206619691.2757.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206221191.17305.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1206562511.4531.225.camel@calliope.phig.org> <d9e12e8a0803261834w3414eb3cp33eaad1ca646158e@mail.gmail.com> <1206619691.2757.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206697128.2836.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 21:08 +0900, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > On Wed, 2008-03-26 at 19:34 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade > > <kwade at redhat.com> wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 17:26 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > Was the DUG supposed to be targeted at F-8 or F-9? I ask > > because the > > > user-facing software situation for the network changes > > drastically in > > > F-9 with NetworkManager by default. > > > > > > Whoops. We are definitely across each other right now. Half > > of us are > > working on F-8 and half on F-9 content. > > > > Can we: > > > > 1. Freeze work on the DUG for a few days > > 2. Branch what is there into an F-8 and F-9 version > > Use the new structure? > > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/8/Draft > > wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/9/Draft > > 3. Dig out the changes that make it F-9 and put those in one > > version > > 4. Look in the history for the changes that make it F-8 and > > put those in > > the other version > > Has this been done? Can someone do this? Cheers, Marc From kms at passback.co.uk Fri Mar 28 11:59:13 2008 From: kms at passback.co.uk (Keith Sharp) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:59:13 +0000 Subject: Publican requires KDE? Message-ID: <1206705553.6125.5.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> Hello, I noticed that Publican (0.3.0 from Rawhide) has a BuildRequires/Requires for kdesdk. I don't use any other KDE software and this requirement causes a huge additional download on my system. Could someone explain why Publican needs this packages and if there is any way this could be avoided? Thanks, Keith. From stickster at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 14:32:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:32:58 -0400 Subject: Publican requires KDE? In-Reply-To: <1206705553.6125.5.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> References: <1206705553.6125.5.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> Message-ID: <1206714778.3040.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 11:59 +0000, Keith Sharp wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed that Publican (0.3.0 from Rawhide) has a > BuildRequires/Requires for kdesdk. I don't use any other KDE software > and this requirement causes a huge additional download on my system. > Could someone explain why Publican needs this packages and if there is > any way this could be avoided? Being a GNOME user myself, I'm not thrilled by this either -- the right answer may be as simple as tweaking the packaging of kdesdk to provide a subpackage on which we can depend instead. I'd imagine the binaries we need are /usr/bin/xml2pot and /usr/bin/po2xml from that package, maybe tied up in kdesdk-i18n or something like that. Jeff Fearn should be around on the list -- Jeff, how close did I come there to the right answer? :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This won't help it land on a default desktop, but that is more a matter of spin owners. We might be able to get e.g. the various desktop-oriented spins to include our new packages in a spin update? Regardless, agreed that the more we can offer to install and help, the more Fedora users will be told about/find it, and etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone want to help, I'll be working on this during my in-between-other-stuff on #fedora-docs today. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080328/93711c1d/attachment.sig> From kwade at redhat.com Fri Mar 28 17:10:30 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:10:30 -0700 Subject: Desktop yay/nay Message-ID: <1206724230.30372.140.camel@calliope.phig.org> "Desktop User Guide? Oh, I guess that's not for me because I use a laptop." Yes, the multiple meanings of 'desktop' trip us up here. We had decided at one point to change the "Fedora Desktop User Guide" to the "Fedora User Guide." This could be perceived as a wider scope, in that it could include using Fedora web services in the future. I think that's OK, as the line between the client and server melds continuously and from the end-user perspective, "Fedora search" or "Fedora TV" could be covered in a "Fedora User Guide." Still, the old DUG title has been kept around because of the hassle of changing the URL and such. Before I begin work on a new, permanent URL for User Guide work, is it: * wiki/User_Guide/ * wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/ * wiki/???_User_Guide - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080328/214e7708/attachment.sig> From eric at christensenplace.us Fri Mar 28 17:19:06 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:19:06 -0400 Subject: Desktop yay/nay In-Reply-To: <1206724230.30372.140.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206724230.30372.140.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <47ED288A.60008@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I like Fedora User Guide. Isn't there a Server Guide or something like that which could cover more of the server aspects (i.e. httpd, etc). Eric Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: | "Desktop User Guide? Oh, I guess that's not for me because I use a | laptop." | | Yes, the multiple meanings of 'desktop' trip us up here. | | We had decided at one point to change the "Fedora Desktop User Guide" to | the "Fedora User Guide." This could be perceived as a wider scope, in | that it could include using Fedora web services in the future. | | I think that's OK, as the line between the client and server melds | continuously and from the end-user perspective, "Fedora search" or | "Fedora TV" could be covered in a "Fedora User Guide." | | Still, the old DUG title has been kept around because of the hassle of | changing the URL and such. | | Before I begin work on a new, permanent URL for User Guide work, is it: | | * wiki/User_Guide/ | * wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/ | * wiki/???_User_Guide | | - Karsten | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH7SiJL5V8yddJCO0RAmcnAJ9IhViVx1zQ96fUYKSaXTSG4f7SZACePvhp AId8BLN4Ps6fPRflIyxkVR4= =VCe4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nushio at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 17:25:16 2008 From: nushio at gmail.com (Juan M. Rodriguez) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:25:16 -0600 Subject: Desktop yay/nay In-Reply-To: <47ED288A.60008@christensenplace.us> References: <1206724230.30372.140.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47ED288A.60008@christensenplace.us> Message-ID: <ca0e1ff30803281025y74e9005cg4d1558c5bcbf9d0e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Eric Christensen <eric at christensenplace.us> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I like Fedora User Guide. Isn't there a Server Guide or something like > that which could cover more of the server aspects (i.e. httpd, etc). > > Eric > > > > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > | "Desktop User Guide? Oh, I guess that's not for me because I use a > | laptop." > | > | Yes, the multiple meanings of 'desktop' trip us up here. > | > | We had decided at one point to change the "Fedora Desktop User Guide" to > | the "Fedora User Guide." This could be perceived as a wider scope, in > | that it could include using Fedora web services in the future. > | > | I think that's OK, as the line between the client and server melds > | continuously and from the end-user perspective, "Fedora search" or > | "Fedora TV" could be covered in a "Fedora User Guide." > | > | Still, the old DUG title has been kept around because of the hassle of > | changing the URL and such. > | > | Before I begin work on a new, permanent URL for User Guide work, is it: > | > | * wiki/User_Guide/ > | * wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/ > | * wiki/???_User_Guide > | > | - Karsten > | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFH7SiJL5V8yddJCO0RAmcnAJ9IhViVx1zQ96fUYKSaXTSG4f7SZACePvhp > AId8BLN4Ps6fPRflIyxkVR4= > =VCe4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > I must agree that as a Laptop user, 'Desktop User Guide' isn't as catchy as 'Fedora User Guide'. +1 to FUG. -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080328/49ab757b/attachment.htm> From cody.dehaan at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 17:52:28 2008 From: cody.dehaan at gmail.com (Cody R. DeHaan) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:52:28 -0400 Subject: Desktop yay/nay In-Reply-To: <ca0e1ff30803281025y74e9005cg4d1558c5bcbf9d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1206724230.30372.140.camel@calliope.phig.org> <47ED288A.60008@christensenplace.us> <ca0e1ff30803281025y74e9005cg4d1558c5bcbf9d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6BEDA23C-C2A1-44DD-8369-EA53AD8CD1E4@gmail.com> I like Fedora User Guide as well -- if the distinction is desired, there is always the option of something such as "Client User Guide," but I can't help feeling that just muddles things further. Cody On Mar 28, 2008, at 1:25 PM, Juan M. Rodriguez wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Eric Christensen <eric at christensenplace.us > > wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I like Fedora User Guide. Isn't there a Server Guide or something > like > that which could cover more of the server aspects (i.e. httpd, etc). > > Eric > > > > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > | "Desktop User Guide? Oh, I guess that's not for me because I use a > | laptop." > | > | Yes, the multiple meanings of 'desktop' trip us up here. > | > | We had decided at one point to change the "Fedora Desktop User > Guide" to > | the "Fedora User Guide." This could be perceived as a wider > scope, in > | that it could include using Fedora web services in the future. > | > | I think that's OK, as the line between the client and server melds > | continuously and from the end-user perspective, "Fedora search" or > | "Fedora TV" could be covered in a "Fedora User Guide." > | > | Still, the old DUG title has been kept around because of the > hassle of > | changing the URL and such. > | > | Before I begin work on a new, permanent URL for User Guide work, > is it: > | > | * wiki/User_Guide/ > | * wiki/Desktop_User_Guide/ > | * wiki/???_User_Guide > | > | - Karsten > | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFH7SiJL5V8yddJCO0RAmcnAJ9IhViVx1zQ96fUYKSaXTSG4f7SZACePvhp > AId8BLN4Ps6fPRflIyxkVR4= > =VCe4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > I must agree that as a Laptop user, 'Desktop User Guide' isn't as > catchy as 'Fedora User Guide'. > +1 to FUG. > -- > Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno > Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos > Sitio: www.isocron.net [En Construcci?n] -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://listman.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/attachments/20080328/3469cd78/attachment.htm> From jmbabich at gmail.com Fri Mar 28 20:02:31 2008 From: jmbabich at gmail.com (John Babich) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:02:31 -0400 Subject: Unable to Make Meeting Message-ID: <9d2c731f0803281302j27ab277eiaff1eaa159d3af95@mail.gmail.com> I'm sorry, but I will not be able to make the meeting today. Best Regards, John Babich, Member, FDSCO From couf at skynet.be Fri Mar 28 20:56:23 2008 From: couf at skynet.be (Bart Couvreur) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:56:23 +0100 Subject: DUG freeze and fork In-Reply-To: <1206723476.30372.134.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1206723476.30372.134.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1206737783.23988.9.camel@localhost> Op vrijdag 28-03-2008 om 09:57 uur [tijdzone -0700], schreef Karsten 'quaid' Wade: > As per earlier discussions, I am going to fork the DUG for F-9 work. I > am going to leave the current work as-is, because it retains the commit > history so we can work out the F-8 branching next. > > By giving us an F-9 workspace, work there can continue with the current > enthusiasm, while we work out the F-8 version in parallel. > > Also, I am going to use the new organization and (hopefully) the > MediaWiki friendly URLs so they can remain permanent. > > Anyone want to help, I'll be working on this during my > in-between-other-stuff on #fedora-docs today. > > - Karsten Karsten and I did the fork just now. F8 version is still at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide F9 version is now at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide/9 Both guides are almost ready. Some updating needs to be done to the 9 version, so take a look there and if you see something that is not applicable for F9 do adjust it, thanks. With this fork we've also changed the name of the guide from DUG to Fedora User Guide, as discussed previously. Here's to getting these two pups out of the door! Bart -- Bart <couf at fedoraproject.org> <couf at skynet.be> key fingerprint: 6AAB 544D 3432 D013 776D 3602 ADB6 6B2A D93F 0F93 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Roll back to that point if the content change was significant, knowing that you lose the neutral style and wording edits made since then ... or ... 5. Identify the content and changes, then pinch that out of the F-8 branch manually. 6. As each page is done, write a copy to User_Guide/8. Note that we dropped the 'Draft' in the namespace. We figured that being so close to the finish line, we didn't need the additional hassle of moving up from a Draft namespace. In MediaWiki, there is a categorization feature we might want to try, so we start draft content in the Draft: space, then remove the Draft: header when it is complete and ready for conversion, usage, etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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DeHaan <cody.dehaan at gmail.com> wrote: > I like Fedora User Guide as well -- if the distinction is desired, there > is always the option of something such as "Client User Guide," but I can't > help feeling that just muddles things further. > Cody > What about "Fedora Desktop Guide"? The desktop is not just a laptop but most people recognize it as the screen with which they work and save files. Just a thought, Clint -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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DeHaan > <cody.dehaan at gmail.com> wrote: > I like Fedora User Guide as well -- if the distinction is > desired, there is always the option of something such as > "Client User Guide," but I can't help feeling that just > muddles things further. > > > Cody > > What about "Fedora Desktop Guide"? The desktop is not just a laptop > but most people recognize it as the screen with which they work and > save files. Well ... desktop is still pretty ambiguous, and to be honest, is a bit more of an IT term than a regular folks term, isn't it? Regardless, it's nice to put a human-focused term in the title, then people know if it's for them and by what role: User Administrator Developer etc. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cody On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade <kwade at redhat.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 23:49 -0600, Clint Savage wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Cody R. DeHaan > > <cody.dehaan at gmail.com> wrote: > > I like Fedora User Guide as well -- if the distinction is > > desired, there is always the option of something such as > > "Client User Guide," but I can't help feeling that just > > muddles things further. > > > > > > Cody > > > > What about "Fedora Desktop Guide"? The desktop is not just a laptop > > but most people recognize it as the screen with which they work and > > save files. > > Well ... desktop is still pretty ambiguous, and to be honest, is a bit > more of an IT term than a regular folks term, isn't it? Regardless, > it's nice to put a human-focused term in the title, then people know if > it's for them and by what role: > > User > Administrator > Developer > etc. > > > > - Karsten > > -- > Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. > Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com > Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > gpg key : AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Cody DeHaan cody.dehaan at gmail.com From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 08:12:48 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:12:48 +1000 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <1206412139.10863.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> <1206412139.10863.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803300112l2af26466g61a7b3bb0ecd4a20@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 12:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 11:18 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Who is responsible for building the release notes RPM for the 1st of April? > > > > > > Cool Murray, thanks for volunteering! > > > > > > :-) > > > > Hah! > > > > I'll start practicing building the RPMs now. Do you run "make > > release-srpm", or should it be...."make omf"? > > It will be 'make release-srpm', but don't expect it to work right away > -- it's very dependent on translators to have finished their work. When > they're done, we usually have to tweak some of the modules' po/LINGUAS > files to keep errant locales from breaking the build if we can't fix > them ourselves. Thanks for your help. Looking at the schedule (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule): * 31 March 2008: PO files due from L10N Preview Release translation & development freeze 1 April 2008: fedora-release-notes package PR to Fedora release engineering Is this by April 1, or can it be UTC 2359 April 1? Do I have to do anything more, other than build it, and check it back into CVS? What happens if a translation messes up the build? Is there time for the translator to fix it? Cheers, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From jon at questionsplease.org Sun Mar 30 16:12:46 2008 From: jon at questionsplease.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:12:46 +0100 Subject: Single Source Summary Message-ID: <1206893566.3130.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hey all, I wondered if anyone could spare some time to explain what direction the SSS is taking!? I was just thinking, from the point of view of work flows, that the work done for the alpha/beta release notes is exactly what we're going to need to base our final Release Overview on. Best wishes, Jon From kwade at redhat.com Sun Mar 30 16:45:29 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 09:45:29 -0700 Subject: Single Source Summary In-Reply-To: <1206893566.3130.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206893566.3130.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1206895530.30372.321.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-03-30 at 17:12 +0100, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Hey all, > > I wondered if anyone could spare some time to explain what direction the > SSS is taking!? The same as before. :) Sorry, couldn't resist, since I seem to be the one cat with the whole picture in his head. We've poured all the content into Releases/9/SingleSourceSummary. Then we are adding ## SPECIAL COMMENTS that can be used to identify sub-sections of that one page. After that, we need to visit the various OverView and Releases/9/Summary pages and replace the content there with Include()s that pull in the content by ## SPECIAL COMMENT BLOCK. > I was just thinking, from the point of view of work flows, that the work > done for the alpha/beta release notes is exactly what we're going to > need to base our final Release Overview on. This is true, yes. That work becomes a bunch of other work, which is the point of the SSS, to reuse in an easy fashion. Another point, the organization of the Alpha/Beta release notes compared to the "looks like the Beats page" of the final notes has spawned some of our Fedora UI experts to help us do a new release notes landing page that organizes content by people-areas instead of technology-areas. This would pull some content from the SSS for each people-area (desktop users, system administrators, developers, etc.). That is either existing content or something new we need to write for the SSS. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then > we are adding ## SPECIAL COMMENTS that can be used to identify > sub-sections of that one page. After that, we need to visit the various > OverView and Releases/9/Summary pages and replace the content there with > Include()s that pull in the content by ## SPECIAL COMMENT BLOCK. OK - sounds good. I took a quick glance and it made my head spin so I think I'll leave all the setting up and configuring to those who know what they're doing! Unless you need some extra hands? > > I was just thinking, from the point of view of work flows, that the work > > done for the alpha/beta release notes is exactly what we're going to > > need to base our final Release Overview on. > > This is true, yes. That work becomes a bunch of other work, which is > the point of the SSS, to reuse in an easy fashion. Awesome :) > > Another point, the organization of the Alpha/Beta release notes compared > to the "looks like the Beats page" of the final notes has spawned some > of our Fedora UI experts to help us do a new release notes landing page > that organizes content by people-areas instead of technology-areas. > This would pull some content from the SSS for each people-area (desktop > users, system administrators, developers, etc.). That is either > existing content or something new we need to write for the SSS. OK, that sounds like a very cool idea!! Will this be going on to the docs.fp.o site? And if so, would you all like a hand getting that to work with the fedora.css file? After my experience hacking something together for a n.fp.o site, I think I might be able to help here a bit :) Best wishes, Jon From stickster at gmail.com Sun Mar 30 23:40:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul Frields) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:40:10 -0400 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0803300112l2af26466g61a7b3bb0ecd4a20@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> <1206412139.10863.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803300112l2af26466g61a7b3bb0ecd4a20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <ef93afcf0803301640s25b02492sbe59f87f26c5d6c5@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Murray McAllister <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at the schedule (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule): > > * 31 March 2008: PO files due from L10N > > Preview Release translation & development freeze > > 1 April 2008: fedora-release-notes package PR to Fedora release engineering > > Is this by April 1, or can it be UTC 2359 April 1? All times listed on our schedules are always UTC 2359 on the listed date. So if you're looking for that extra time, it's there! :-) > Do I have to do anything more, other than build it, and check it back into CVS? Just the building, but I will probably need to be around to help you with that, in case something goes awry. > What happens if a translation messes up the build? Is there time for > the translator to fix it? Not really, but sometimes the errors are simple, like a mistyped XML tag, meaning we can fix them ourselves. (You have to use a decent PO-aware tool, like... oh, Emacs! Gosh, is there nothing it can't do?) :-) In cases where the problem is *really* egregious, we have to disable the translation in question and notify the translator so they can fix it before GA. That rarely happens -- except when translators fail to translate the entities in docs-common, but in that case we can simply enter empty PO files and build anyway, notifying the translators of the need to take care of it in the next few weeks. Paul From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Mar 31 00:34:32 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:34:32 +1000 Subject: building the release notes rpm In-Reply-To: <ef93afcf0803301640s25b02492sbe59f87f26c5d6c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0803241818v2e00f138g251e65a7cccfd3d6@mail.gmail.com> <1206410085.10863.13.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803241921jcf787a7xfeaa717f03fbb6f0@mail.gmail.com> <1206412139.10863.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0803300112l2af26466g61a7b3bb0ecd4a20@mail.gmail.com> <ef93afcf0803301640s25b02492sbe59f87f26c5d6c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0803301734g76a90c1fm16ec08d0bdde3fc6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Paul Frields <stickster at gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Murray McAllister > <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> wrote: > > Looking at the schedule (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule): > > > > * 31 March 2008: PO files due from L10N > > > > Preview Release translation & development freeze > > > > 1 April 2008: fedora-release-notes package PR to Fedora release engineering > > > > Is this by April 1, or can it be UTC 2359 April 1? > > All times listed on our schedules are always UTC 2359 on the listed > date. So if you're looking for that extra time, it's there! :-) > > > > Do I have to do anything more, other than build it, and check it back into CVS? > > Just the building, but I will probably need to be around to help you > with that, in case something goes awry. > > > > What happens if a translation messes up the build? Is there time for > > the translator to fix it? > > Not really, but sometimes the errors are simple, like a mistyped XML > tag, meaning we can fix them ourselves. (You have to use a decent > PO-aware tool, like... oh, Emacs! Gosh, is there nothing it can't do?) > :-) > > In cases where the problem is *really* egregious, we have to disable > the translation in question and notify the translator so they can fix > it before GA. That rarely happens -- except when translators fail to > translate the entities in docs-common, but in that case we can simply > enter empty PO files and build anyway, notifying the translators of > the need to take care of it in the next few weeks. > > Paul Thanks, If you propose a time that you want to do this, I will fit in with you. Regards, Murray. --------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/81B3FDEB 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] Key fingerprint = 4ED9 9907 5BF0 4132 2B46 20D1 C0C6 362D 81B3 FDEB Murray McAllister (Fedora Docs Project / mdious) <murray.mcallister at gmail.com> sub 2048g/B04CFA0C 2007-09-19 [expires: 2008-09-18] From jfearn at redhat.com Mon Mar 31 00:43:43 2008 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:43:43 +1000 Subject: Publican requires KDE? In-Reply-To: <1206714778.3040.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1206705553.6125.5.camel@statler.passback.co.uk> <1206714778.3040.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <47F033BF.80900@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, 2008-03-28 at 11:59 +0000, Keith Sharp wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I noticed that Publican (0.3.0 from Rawhide) has a >> BuildRequires/Requires for kdesdk. I don't use any other KDE software >> and this requirement causes a huge additional download on my system. >> Could someone explain why Publican needs this packages and if there is >> any way this could be avoided? > > Being a GNOME user myself, I'm not thrilled by this either -- the right > answer may be as simple as tweaking the packaging of kdesdk to provide a > subpackage on which we can depend instead. I'd imagine the binaries we > need are /usr/bin/xml2pot and /usr/bin/po2xml from that package, maybe > tied up in kdesdk-i18n or something like that. > > Jeff Fearn should be around on the list -- Jeff, how close did I come > there to the right answer? :-) 100% correct. AIUI Jens Petersen has asked about getting a separate package, I don't know how far he got thought. Cheers, Jeff. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Mar 31 05:07:26 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 10:37:26 +0530 Subject: PackageKit docs Message-ID: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> Hi, Just a heads up that I have volunteered [1] to write upstream documentation for PackageKit or more specifically gnome-packagekit. I am working on a draft now[2]. Within Fedora, it would be good to not duplicate efforts and just point to upstream help (yelp) docs if feasible. If anyone is interested in contributing or can do a editorial review after I have finished the docs, let me know. Rahul [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/packagekit/2008-March/002685.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/PackageKit From eric at christensenplace.us Mon Mar 31 21:26:16 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:26:16 -0400 Subject: PackageKit docs In-Reply-To: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> References: <47F0718E.1080603@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <47F156F8.2020602@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Rahul, I had been working on the PackageKit doc [1] to go into the Software Management Guide but haven't really had the chance to dig into it lately. If you would like to take the lead on it that would help me out a bunch as I am still doing research on the Encryption and Privacy Guide. If you need me to do anything please let me know. Eric [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/SoftwareManagementGuide/PackageKit Rahul Sundaram wrote: | Hi, | | Just a heads up that I have volunteered [1] to write upstream | documentation for PackageKit or more specifically gnome-packagekit. I am | working on a draft now[2]. | | Within Fedora, it would be good to not duplicate efforts and just point | to upstream help (yelp) docs if feasible. If anyone is interested in | contributing or can do a editorial review after I have finished the | docs, let me know. | | Rahul | | [1] | http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/packagekit/2008-March/002685.html | | [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RahulSundaram/PackageKit | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH8Vb2L5V8yddJCO0RAjJfAJ9FL2BRsVrzezdEZZQi20iRi4gq9gCfXw0u EqldSZpdmDcsc72iBfl0mkY= =znbQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----