From susan_lists at ties.org Sat Nov 1 00:35:15 2008 From: susan_lists at ties.org (susan_lists at ties.org) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 20:35:15 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: Greetings, I have been meaning to get more involved with fedoraproject for a while and I have been lurking here on the docs list for a few weeks now. I was struggling a little to figure out how this project worked but then I rescued about 50 messages from my spam folder and it is now starting to make more sense :) I have been a contract instructor for Red Hat since 2000 and involved in network operating system support and training since 1992 (and *nix user even longer). I have contributed to Red Hat course materials including general bug reports, testing updated labs, helping to update the online training from RHEL3 to RHEL4, and providing content for the first release of Red Hat Academy materials. The Red Hat Academy project involved working with DocBook. I have taught and used cvs, seen subversion, and am sure I can figure out git relatively quickly. I am not as versed in wiki and irc etiquette and usage but I have been poking around and reading some of the intro and FAQ docs and of course I have had plenty of experience with mailing lists and AIM. And for all that I use and recommend opensource, this is the first project I have actually joined (better late then never I guess). I am interested in all things related to learning and teaching - documentation, corporate training, university settings, and youngsters too. 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URL: From trac at fedorahosted.org Sat Nov 1 04:39:01 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:39:01 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to rpminfo.xml Message-ID: <057.0eac48809bcfcd62fb0f1e0f97bf24de@fedorahosted.org> #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to rpminfo.xml ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: ke4qqq | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ So since Paul and Stuart originally wrote the content for IG - and largely the update for F10 was fact checking, editing with snippets of writing and wordsmithing I don't know how comfortable I feel declaring everyone an 'author'. I've added all the details for $uscguys, eawest and myself; I noticed that jsmith did the same thing. Thus I appoint quaid to make the decision :) -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 16:03:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:03:04 -0400 Subject: Liveconnect feature page In-Reply-To: <20081031212315.GD22521@redhat.com> References: <20081029201352.GB1643@redhat.com> <20081031205203.GB13920@localhost.localdomain> <20081031212315.GD22521@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081101160304.GG4446@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 05:23:15PM -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote: > * Paul W. Frields [2008-10-31 16:53]: > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 04:13:52PM -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote: > > > I have written up a Liveconnect feature page for F10 here: > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Liveconnect > > > > > > If someone can take a look and give it the ok, that'd be great! Once > > > that is done, I will link to it from the main F10 feature page here: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList > > > > I just ran an editorial pass on the appropriate section in the release > > notes to make them ready. > > > > Cool, does this mean I can link to it from the FeatureList page? Hi Deepak, The fedora-docs-list is just for worrying about documentation, like the overall Fedora release notes. That's where I did some editing to make sure the content about Liveconnect was as readable and translatable as possible. You should probably make sure you're talking to some combination of fedora-devel-list/FESCo about features and the Feature List. If FESCo has greenlit the feature you should be OK to do the linking, though. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 1 16:11:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:11:38 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081101161138.GH4446@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 08:35:15PM -0400, susan_lists at ties.org wrote: > I have been meaning to get more involved with fedoraproject for a while and > I have been lurking here on the docs list for a few weeks now. I was > struggling a little to figure out how this project worked but then I rescued > about 50 messages from my spam folder and it is now starting to make more > sense :) > > I have been a contract instructor for Red Hat since 2000 and involved in > network operating system support and training since 1992 (and *nix user even > longer). I have contributed to Red Hat course materials including general > bug reports, testing updated labs, helping to update the online training > from RHEL3 to RHEL4, and providing content for the first release of Red Hat > Academy materials. > > The Red Hat Academy project involved working with DocBook. > I have taught and used cvs, seen subversion, and am sure I can figure out > git relatively quickly. > I am not as versed in wiki and irc etiquette and usage but I have been > poking around and reading some of the intro and FAQ docs and of course I > have had plenty of experience with mailing lists and AIM. > > And for all that I use and recommend opensource, this is the first project I > have actually joined (better late then never I guess). > > I am interested in all things related to learning and teaching - > documentation, corporate training, university settings, and youngsters too. > > I am also lurking on the OLPC list and as a longer term goal, I would like > to learn more about packaging. Susan, Great to have you aboard! This is how I got started in an open source project too, and since I started with documentation, I got involved in packaging and other parts of Fedora as well. If you're a relative newcomer, you might be able to best help by plunging into the wiki and helping to edit some pages. We have a style guide and editing help already on the wiki. Those documents are rather long but in many cases they simply down to good use of English, being as concise as possible, and eliminating confusion wherever we can. There's an IRC primer available here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC We have meetings of our group on IRC Freenode at #fedora-docs on Wednesdays at 3:00pm US/Eastern (2000 UTC starting next week). I usually recommend the 'xchat-gnome' package for beginners using the standard GNOME desktop, and I think konversation is the preferred package for KDE users. If you need help installing or getting started with IRC let us know. -- Paul W. 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I started doing this a while ago with some of the other documentation like the Release Notes, even though Karsten and I were doing a lot of editing work there. The concept of ownership in FOSS projects where you're trying to increase team membership and cohesiveness is a touchy one. I like the idea of putting a colophon or appendix in our guides to give credit where credit is due, but keeping the title page clean. Otherwise, we'd really have to include a ton of names there where it just means more scrolling and difficulty to read. I for one would be happy to relinquish having my name on the title page to make the document seem more like a team effort. If someone puts my name somewhere else in the document showing my contributions, great -- and if not, that's fine too! Also, another note about usability and readability of the document -- see how the very important version/release info gets lost on this page: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/ Readers need that info to file bugs on the document, and concealing it under long lists of people exponentially decreases the chance that someone will file the bug correctly. By the way, copyrights are not a problem -- using the standard "Copyright (C) 20XX Red Hat, Inc. and others" allows us to track it properly. This copyright statement is in legal agreement with the CLA, and protects the rights of everyone in the Fedora Project who contributes to the documentation. It doesn't make Red Hat's contributions or rights more important, it's simply a shorthand that makes it easier for Red Hat to protect the entire team's rights under copyright. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From trac at fedorahosted.org Sat Nov 1 18:14:20 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:14:20 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to a new Colophon In-Reply-To: <057.0eac48809bcfcd62fb0f1e0f97bf24de@fedorahosted.org> References: <057.0eac48809bcfcd62fb0f1e0f97bf24de@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <066.9062ff0ec990bb23ca4436b7a3f46efc@fedorahosted.org> #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to a new Colophon ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: ke4qqq | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * summary: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to rpminfo.xml => Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to a new Colophon Old description: > So since Paul and Stuart originally wrote the content for IG - and > largely the update for F10 was fact checking, editing with snippets of > writing and wordsmithing I don't know how comfortable I feel declaring > everyone an 'author'. I've added all the details for $uscguys, eawest and > myself; I noticed that jsmith did the same thing. Thus I appoint quaid to > make the decision :) New description: So since Paul and Stuart originally wrote the content for IG - and largely the update for F10 was fact checking, editing with snippets of writing and wordsmithing I don't know how comfortable I feel declaring everyone an 'author'. I've added all the details for $uscguys, eawest and myself; I noticed that jsmith did the same thing. Thus I appoint quaid to make the decision :) Comment: Replying to [comment:1 pfrields]: > I would personally prefer that we remove all names (and thus the onerous concept of "ownership") from all our guides, and simply refer to them as written by the "Fedora Documentation Team." I started doing this a while ago with some of the other documentation like the Release Notes, even though Karsten and I were doing a lot of editing work there. +1 Let's replace the front-page author list with "Fedora Documentation Team", then put in an actual colophon that covers methods and doers. This was the way the Red Hat team did it for a long time, for much of the same reason (brand/community forward, cleaner front page, etc.) I think we switched in Fedora to gain, "Grow your reputation," capabilities. That now seems redundant, since there are better ways to show that reputation. I'm renaming this ticket to show the new task, which is the creation of a colophon for the IG. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 19:33:10 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:33:10 -0700 Subject: Questions on 'sys admin guide' In-Reply-To: <78323d480810301611k408b8caaje6bd19ccd8c3d0e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480810301611k408b8caaje6bd19ccd8c3d0e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225567990.18131.75.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 04:41 +0530, Mani A wrote: > In https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AGBeta#Scheduling_Tasks and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/AGBeta/Cron > > no GUI tools are mentioned. Sysadmins need not necessarily use CLI > tools and in actual practice it is compulsory that they know. > So maybe the 'Additional Information' is in need of improvement.. But > the doc seems to be 'ready for editing' (?) > > The first line "Fedora provides a cron facility for tasks > scheduling...." sounds odd. 'cron' is installed in the same way as in > many other distros. > Is the cron daemon a 'cron facility'? It should be rectified to > something like "The 'cron' daemon is the default CLI utility for > scheduling tasks". FWIW, I'm currently unclear on what we should do about sysadmin content. With the looming 'Linux Deployment Guide' out there, we are probably better served updating that content. However, it is entirely off the wiki (in XML), so doesn't work as well with the facts of community collaboration. I've been ignoring thinking about this until the work for F10 is done. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As you did, this kind of discussion belongs on the mailing list. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 1 19:40:26 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:40:26 -0700 Subject: Cute titles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1225568426.18131.78.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 23:51 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > The Release Notes titles are cute and all, but in a couple cases may > be a little arch ("Are There Hideous Bugs and Terrible Tigers") for > final release. Can we change them in those cases to something that's > easier for translators and readers? Yes but ... we need to make very, very clear titles. People are not finding what they are looking for when it is in there. When doing up the new outline, I was looking for something idiomatic that carried more meaning. -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 01:08:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:08:45 -0400 Subject: Cute titles In-Reply-To: <1225568426.18131.78.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1225568426.18131.78.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081102010845.GB26789@salma.internal.frields.org> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 12:40:26PM -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 23:51 -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > > The Release Notes titles are cute and all, but in a couple cases may > > be a little arch ("Are There Hideous Bugs and Terrible Tigers") for > > final release. Can we change them in those cases to something that's > > easier for translators and readers? > > Yes but ... we need to make very, very clear titles. People are not > finding what they are looking for when it is in there. When doing up > the new outline, I was looking for something idiomatic that carried more > meaning. I definitely liked the new major-area organization A LOT. I was thinking about translators and trying to standardize the titles a bit. Maybe something like this: "Important Facts About Multimedia" "What is New for System Administrators" "What is New on the Desktop" "What is New for Power Users" "What is New for Developers" "How to Deal with Bugs and Problems" "Legal and Administrative Information" -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dimitris at glezos.com Sun Nov 2 01:15:30 2008 From: dimitris at glezos.com (Dimitris Glezos) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:15:30 +0200 Subject: Fwd: appliance in release-notes In-Reply-To: <4818cd80811011802u3e9ee271kf336c2a65b9f87e1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4818cd80811011802u3e9ee271kf336c2a65b9f87e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6d4237680811011815j73e61e01y79acbc514cf4a7fd@mail.gmail.com> Forwarding to -docs-list, as the folks here are more likely to give a better answer. -? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Domingo Becker Date: 2008/11/2 Subject: appliance in release-notes To: Fedora Translation Project List What is the meaning of appliance in the context of release-notes ? release-notes mentions an appliance creation tool, a tool to create appliance images from a kickstart file. In this context, it is an installer for me. But, what would be the right meaning of it? What is an appliance image used for? regards Domingo Becker (es) -- Fedora-trans-list mailing list Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos at jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) -- From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 01:26:14 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:26:14 -0400 Subject: Fwd: appliance in release-notes In-Reply-To: <6d4237680811011815j73e61e01y79acbc514cf4a7fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <4818cd80811011802u3e9ee271kf336c2a65b9f87e1@mail.gmail.com> <6d4237680811011815j73e61e01y79acbc514cf4a7fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1225589174.25414.480.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 03:15 +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Domingo Becker > Date: 2008/11/2 > Subject: appliance in release-notes > To: Fedora Translation Project List > > > What is the meaning of appliance in the context of release-notes ? > release-notes mentions an appliance creation tool, a tool to create > appliance images from a kickstart file. > In this context, it is an installer for me. But, what would be the > right meaning of it? > What is an appliance image used for? At its most basic, it's a container that an ISV can use to run an application. It's not mean to be a general purpose installation, but rather focuses on that single application or suite of applications. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 01:36:08 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:36:08 -0400 Subject: Gerunds Message-ID: <20081102013607.GA26834@salma.internal.frields.org> In the spirit of Elizabeth West's recent tips for better writing, here's one to consider: Avoid the gerund wherever possible. Gerunds are those words in English that end in "-ing." Sentences that use them tend to feature awkward construction, passive voice, and lack of conciseness. Gerunds also translate awkwardly in many languages. Check out this example: "Installing the foobar package is the only way of making it easy to change baz configuration." This is a bit unfair, because I've also mixed in a style problem that I see many times in gerund-infested material, some of which I've created myself. Now look at a reconstruction of the sentence: "To change the configuration of baz, install the foobar package." What are some of the effects of the rewrite? * Drops sentence from 16 words to 10 * Increases clarity * Provides a neutral tone of confident instruction instead of arrogance * Puts the important material at the end of the sentence, which in English is the position of emphasis * Avoids personalizing the instructions too much. * Avoids making qualitative judgments ("easy") I always tend to look at gerunds I've written very critically. Far more often than not, I find they pop up when I lack confidence in an assertion. Technical documentation should be confident so users feel they can trust the material. Hope this helps! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 2 01:45:33 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:45:33 -0400 Subject: Tiny tips Message-ID: <20081102014533.GA26951@salma.internal.frields.org> A couple bite-sized tips for writing as we collaborate on the wiki: * Avoid dangling prepositions. "Note the version you are upgrading from." <-- Incorrect "Note the version from which you are upgrading." <-- Correct * Avoid personalization ("you," "he," "she") where doing so doesn't cause unnecessary awkwardness. "Note the version from which you are upgrading." <-- Not as good "Note the currently installed version." <-- Better -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, almost 2000 years later the Roman Empire is *still* stabbing us in the face. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I even agree that the proper method to give credit (which even the style guide agrees with) is a colophon at the end. That said - I don't want to completely obliterate 'credit' from any document. One of the few currencies in a meritocracy is recognition of peers and outsiders for that matter. I think ESR's 'Homesteading the Noosphere' is an excellent treatise that discusses that phenomenon. I don't think that's the intention particularly since you mention a colophon. However reading the first paragraph out of context could lead to that conclusion. For some people who have attained 'stickster-level' or 'quaid-ness' the name listing on yet another document probably doesn't matter. However to a newb for whom a given document may be their first 'published work' or first OSS contribution that listing is very valuable - it's the flag they've planted saying they're a contributor. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From gayleard at eircom.net Sun Nov 2 03:28:48 2008 From: gayleard at eircom.net (Timothy Murphy) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:28:48 +0000 Subject: Tiny tips In-Reply-To: <1225591361.25414.490.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <20081102014533.GA26951@salma.internal.frields.org> <1225591361.25414.490.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <200811020328.49265.gayleard@eircom.net> On Sunday 02 November 2008 02:02:40 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 21:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > * Avoid dangling prepositions. > > > > "Note the version you are upgrading from." <-- Incorrect > > "Note the version from which you are upgrading." <-- Correct > > Strange but true: > > The "rule" has its origins in works that were being translated into > Latin. There is no way to express a dangling preposition in Latin, so > this rule was implemented to denote "proper" English. So, almost 2000 > years later the Roman Empire is *still* stabbing us in the face. Remember Churchill's comment on this issue: "This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put". From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sun Nov 2 18:50:20 2008 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:50:20 -0600 Subject: Gerunds (Avoiding Gerunds Considered Harmful) In-Reply-To: <20081102013607.GA26834@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <20081102013607.GA26834@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20081102125020.81de8fcf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > In the spirit of Elizabeth West's recent tips for better writing, > here's one to consider: > > Avoid the gerund wherever possible. > > Gerunds are those words in English that end in "-ing." Sentences that > use them tend to feature awkward construction, passive voice, and lack > of conciseness. Gerunds also translate awkwardly in many languages. Gerunds tend to introduce inverted sentences; although many languages do tend to such constructions (ala vin ordinare) many do not. Still, I like using gerunds for topics or outline headings. In these cases gerunds are dynamic and forceful, setting a clear expectation of the content. Gerunding in sentences, however, lead to weak sentences. Why work harder when simpler is clearer? Tommy From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Sun Nov 2 18:54:46 2008 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:54:46 -0600 Subject: Tiny tips In-Reply-To: <200811020328.49265.gayleard@eircom.net> References: <20081102014533.GA26951@salma.internal.frields.org> <1225591361.25414.490.camel@ignacio.lan> <200811020328.49265.gayleard@eircom.net> Message-ID: <20081102125446.e4b170ce.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Timothy Murphy , spake thus: > On Sunday 02 November 2008 02:02:40 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > > On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 21:45 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > * Avoid dangling prepositions. > Remember Churchill's comment on this issue: > "This is the sort of nonsense up with which I will not put". And the adminition to a cat hiding in a soft: "Up out from under there!" Cheers From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 2 20:05:54 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:35:54 +0530 Subject: Fedora 10 Changes Message-ID: <490E0822.3080302@fedoraproject.org> Hi, So, for every release, for the past several releases, I keep a note on the ongoing development changes so that I can expand on them for the release notes. I haven't spend enough time on the docs for this release however so if anybody wants to go through these and make sure all of the details are documented properly, it would be excellent. --- * glitch free pulseaudio * augeus conf * upstart changes * fedora nightlife * live-creator runs in selinux enforcing mode * http://fitzsim.org/blog/?p=27 * http://cyberelk.net/tim/2008/05/29/version-100/ * plymouth replaces rhgb * IPA * codeina replaced * packagekit changes * gdm doesnt allow root password * https://fedorahosted.org/amber/ * http://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/07/08/its-done/ * getting rid of artistic 1.0 licensed software * http://hehe2.net/linux-general/openofficeorg-30-what-to-expect/ * uvc and gspcav2 got merged in 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 respectively * Hooking up PackageKit with preupgrade * mail replaced with mailx * xenner * portreserve -- Rahul From trac at fedorahosted.org Mon Nov 3 13:05:40 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:05:40 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to a new Colophon In-Reply-To: <057.0eac48809bcfcd62fb0f1e0f97bf24de@fedorahosted.org> References: <057.0eac48809bcfcd62fb0f1e0f97bf24de@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <066.3a13d947e070a4c6eee4fce03dab1848@fedorahosted.org> #24: Decide what titles/roles to apply to workers for IG and add that to a new Colophon ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: ke4qqq | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by pfrields): Perhaps a good middle road would be putting the colophon information at the front of the guide, in the introduction, rather than at the end. But yes, context is everything, and I don't think people should be stripped of credit, but putting a big list of names in the authorship lineup is not the right way to give it in this case. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:07:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:07:09 -0500 Subject: Fwd: appliance in release-notes In-Reply-To: <1225589174.25414.480.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <4818cd80811011802u3e9ee271kf336c2a65b9f87e1@mail.gmail.com> <6d4237680811011815j73e61e01y79acbc514cf4a7fd@mail.gmail.com> <1225589174.25414.480.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20081103130709.GC3216@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:26:14PM -0400, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 03:15 +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Domingo Becker > > Date: 2008/11/2 > > Subject: appliance in release-notes > > To: Fedora Translation Project List > > > > > > What is the meaning of appliance in the context of release-notes ? > > release-notes mentions an appliance creation tool, a tool to create > > appliance images from a kickstart file. > > In this context, it is an installer for me. But, what would be the > > right meaning of it? > > What is an appliance image used for? > > At its most basic, it's a container that an ISV can use to run an > application. It's not mean to be a general purpose installation, but > rather focuses on that single application or suite of applications. Right -- in this case, "appliance" is like any single-purpose piece of gear. In the kitchen, an electric can-opener, stove, or microwave oven are appliances, and the meaning is roughly the same. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 3 13:08:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:08:17 -0500 Subject: Gerunds (Avoiding Gerunds Considered Harmful) In-Reply-To: <20081102125020.81de8fcf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> References: <20081102013607.GA26834@salma.internal.frields.org> <20081102125020.81de8fcf.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Message-ID: <20081103130817.GD3216@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Nov 02, 2008 at 12:50:20PM -0600, Tommy Reynolds wrote: > Uttered "Paul W. Frields" , spake thus: > > > In the spirit of Elizabeth West's recent tips for better writing, > > here's one to consider: > > > > Avoid the gerund wherever possible. > > > > Gerunds are those words in English that end in "-ing." Sentences that > > use them tend to feature awkward construction, passive voice, and lack > > of conciseness. 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A section on driver selection also appears relevant . Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From kwade at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 10:06:45 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:06:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: F10 Preview release announcement In-Reply-To: <1604221336.38831225792735520.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> ----- "Adam D. Ligas" wrote: > "We've been cooking, and now its time for a taste test!" > > I think I like that one a lot more. And so it is. Adam, thanks for the great work. I edited, tweaked a bit, added URLs, pruned, and reduced to only two exclamation points. Hopefully you find that emphasized the quality of the work by removing diluting content. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_(F-10)_Preview_Release_announcement "Test pre-release? No, way, we _taste_ pre-releases." How does everyone like this "final" version? Ready to: * Push it to Release Engineering to use? * Push to L10n/Ambassadors for localized use? I think yes. Any +1 or -1? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 12:20:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:20:32 -0500 Subject: F10 Preview release notes Message-ID: <20081104122032.GC9816@localhost.localdomain> I'm working on publishing a preview of the Fedora 10 release notes on the web. They will appear shortly at: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ Because we are still trying to get all the content updated for a final POT/PO drop on November 6, some strings may have changed since translators last worked on them. I am publishing all current locales of the release notes regardless. If you see strings on the web version that you're sure you translated, but appear in English instead, there may have been a "fuzzy" change. Remember that you will have until November 13 to complete all release notes translations for the F10 GA release. The Docs team will build the RPM for the release on November 14 to deliver to release engineering. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 13:15:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:15:06 -0500 Subject: F10 Preview release announcement In-Reply-To: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1604221336.38831225792735520.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081104131506.GA32678@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 05:06:45AM -0500, Karsten Wade wrote: > ----- "Adam D. Ligas" wrote: > > > "We've been cooking, and now its time for a taste test!" > > > > I think I like that one a lot more. > > And so it is. Adam, thanks for the great work. I edited, tweaked a bit, added URLs, pruned, and reduced to only two exclamation points. Hopefully you find that emphasized the quality of the work by removing diluting content. :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_(F-10)_Preview_Release_announcement > > "Test pre-release? No, way, we _taste_ pre-releases." > > How does everyone like this "final" version? Ready to: > > * Push it to Release Engineering to use? > * Push to L10n/Ambassadors for localized use? > > I think yes. Any +1 or -1? +1, emphatically! Great job guys. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This does not need fixing. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Nov 4 14:35:04 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:35:04 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #32: Probable typos in the F10 preview release notes In-Reply-To: <056.67a2e082ebc0f2473c96f86fb53ddea3@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.67a2e082ebc0f2473c96f86fb53ddea3@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.2efe07ebae256f07d949e4825d2bd060@fedorahosted.org> #32: Probable typos in the F10 preview release notes ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: runab | Owner: quaid Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: minor | Milestone: Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by pfrields): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Made all fixes as requested. Thanks! -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Nov 4 14:39:13 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:39:13 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #25: F10 hard drive install instructions have changed Message-ID: <057.950390d719a6b98949bc9a098dc61331@fedorahosted.org> #25: F10 hard drive install instructions have changed ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: jlaska | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ An outline of the install instructions can be found at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Options As of F10, in addition to copying the ISO files to the partition, you must also copy the install.img file. * repo=hd::/ Look for ISO images on the hard drive partition given by device (/dev/sda1, for instance). This may not be a partition that will be formatted during installation later. These should be ISO images, not an exploded tree on the hard drive. anaconda will not look for the install.img file in any of the ISO images. The install.img must be placed in /images/, or a stage2= or CD must be provided. device can be a device name, LABEL=, or UUID=. An alternative to copying the install.img into /images, you may boot the boot.iso (which uses the install.img on the boot.iso), then choose the partitions containing the ISO's. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 16:14:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:14:31 -0500 Subject: [jkeating@redhat.com: Cambridge (F-10) Preview Release announcement] Message-ID: <20081104161431.GK32678@localhost.localdomain> My bad, missed this: Links to fp.o/get-prerelease should be http:, not https:, and similarly to the wiki. (Despite guidance to the contrary for individual email and to smaller distribution lists, http: takes advantage of caching so it should be used in large-scale announcements.) Paul ----- Forwarded message from Jesse Keating ----- From: Jesse Keating To: fedora-announce-list at redhat.com, fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com, fedora-test-list at redhat.com Organization: Red Hat Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:09:30 -0800 Cc: Subject: Cambridge (F-10) Preview Release announcement X-BeenThere: fedora-test-list at redhat.com We've been cooking, and now it's time for a final taste test! The Fedora Project is proud to announce the availability of the Fedora 10 Preview Release. The Fedora 10 Preview Release is our last pre-release offering before we let everyone taste the goods for real. https://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease Doesn't it smell yummy? We know you can't resist, and we don't want you to. We want everyone in the Fedora community to take an early sample and tell us what you find. The recipe is pretty good, but now is the time to make it perfect. Ingredients include: * Faster boot using Plymouth * Wireless connection sharing * Better printing * Enhanced software update and maintenance, from RPM 4.6 to PackageKit * Virtualization storage * SecTool, security audit and intrusion detection system * Glitch free audio using timer-based scheduling And, since this is Fedora, we don't have anything to hide. Take a peek at what is in the not-so-secret sauce by looking at our Release Notes in the Fedora Project wiki. We use 100% pure free and open source software here, none of that high-fructose proprietary stuff. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes Most of you should get a very tasty treat, but some of you might experience a little bitterness. Don't fret - all is not lost - there is still time to improve the recipe before we share it with the world. Head over to the Fedora Bugzilla (http://bugzilla.redhat.com) and let us know what offended your palate. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_file_a_bug_report File bugs here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora&version=rawhide If you'd like to interact with the chefs more directly, join the live staff in the kitchen by coming to #fedora-qa on irc.freenode.net, or leave a message on the corkboard by the back door: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list Ready to get your free preview sample? Go ahead and swipe one straight from the oven - we don't mind. Put on your favorite heat resistant BitTorrent mitt and grab one of the following goodies. Take as many as you like. Thanks for tasting! https://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease P.S. Please remember that as we run a public mirror system, the mirrors for Fedora 10 Preview will not all be ready at this time, and may become overloaded as the day goes on. If you receive permission denied messages, please continue trying until you get through. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom? is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating -- fedora-test-list mailing list fedora-test-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 16:28:24 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:28:24 -0500 Subject: F10 Preview release notes In-Reply-To: <49107697.5010202@gmail.com> References: <20081104122032.GC9816@localhost.localdomain> <49107697.5010202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081104162824.GL32678@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 08:21:43AM -0800, Victor Ibragimov wrote: > Even if the Tajik language does not meet minimum requirements for the > tarnslation of essential files. Are there any way to include Tajik > language to Fedora 10? There's still time to meet the essential files requirement. Just go to Transifex and translate from the module Docs::Common entities. If this language needs to be added, please consult the L10n team here on the list for guidance on how to do that. -- Paul W. 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Nov 4 20:02:12 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:02:12 -0800 Subject: Docs details and deadlines update Message-ID: <20081104200212.GE31602@calliope.phig.org> Friends: Some updates on the documentation translation schedule. The Fedora 10 release notes and all languages are now live: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ We included all translations regardless of % of completion[1] for the Preview Release. We plan to update those pages every few days with any changes to PO files that are committed. If you would like request a push for your latest PO file, especially if you have it 100% ready, file a ticket here, using your FAS account: https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes 13 November 2008 is still the deadline for translations of this content to appear in the 'fedora-release-notes' package for F10 GA: * release-notes * about-fedora * readme * readme-burning-isos * readme-live-image However, the only updated content that appears in the 'fedora-release-notes' package is the release notes. We are validating and possibly updating about-fedora and the various readme* files over the next few days. Our new deadline for that content is 06 November. 20 November 2008 is the deadline for translations of the Installation Guide. We are pushing out a 'draft' preview for the F10 Preview Release. Because it is very important for translating documentation that the writing be clear and not fluctuate with major rewrites, I am holding back pushing the POT file until 07 November. I want to give the writers and editors of the Installation Guide a few more days to make the writing ready for translation. After that, we are hoping that only technical content changes from bug reports and reviews of the draft from the Fedora community. - Karsten [1] http://l10n.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes#master -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Nov 4 20:15:56 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:15:56 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 Message-ID: <057.d9b118b54bef5886e67917a06a583567@fedorahosted.org> #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: jlaska | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Section ''6.3. Installation TCP/IP Configuration'' notes ... {{{ The installation program supports both IPv4 and IPv6 protocols. If you are not sure which addressing scheme your network uses, it is safe to leave both options selected. Refer also to Chapter 9, Network Configuration for more information on configuring your network. }}} This is not the case for F10 since installer networking was integrated with NetworkManager. NetworkManager IPv6 support (and thus installer) is tentatively scheduled for F11. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From chjunaidanwar at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 20:34:27 2008 From: chjunaidanwar at gmail.com (Ch. Junaid Anwar) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 01:34:27 +0500 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <4910B1D3.7040902@gmail.com> My middle name would be Junaid. I am a graduate of electrical engineering and have been working in software development for about a year now, since my graduation. I work on computers mainly due to personal interest and curiosity. The first distribution I used way back when I was in 9th grade was redhat 8. The open source community has come a long way with Fedora since then. I switched to other distros many times, but Fedora always had me coming back since others were always amiss at points. Personally, I consider Fedora 3 as the distribution I had the most fun with. As my first, most used since then, and my most favorite operating system since then, I have great inspiration to improve areas I'd like to see improved in Fedora. I am not a habitual worker and only occasionally work, when I get the drive. I procrastinate a lot too, but always find computers and software fascinating. I hope to have a good time here in the Fedora SIGs. Regards From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Nov 4 21:31:08 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:31:08 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 In-Reply-To: <057.d9b118b54bef5886e67917a06a583567@fedorahosted.org> References: <057.d9b118b54bef5886e67917a06a583567@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <066.69fa56f8de571942f404a39919aa914f@fedorahosted.org> #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: jlaska | Owner: ke4qqq Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by ke4qqq): * owner: quaid => ke4qqq Comment: Made first change - see commit bf75969 to other-instmethods.xml -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From trac at fedorahosted.org Tue Nov 4 21:39:45 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:39:45 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 In-Reply-To: <057.d9b118b54bef5886e67917a06a583567@fedorahosted.org> References: <057.d9b118b54bef5886e67917a06a583567@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <066.cd2c50c13ae3f40abc3437675bb056b9@fedorahosted.org> #26: F10 installer no longer supports ipv6 ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: jlaska | Owner: ke4qqq Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by ke4qqq): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: committed change dc6e149 for networkconfig.xml -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From noriko at redhat.com Wed Nov 5 01:08:55 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:08:55 +1000 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files Message-ID: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> Hi It seems that POT and PO files have now been updated. This was supposed to happen on 6-Nov, and many of us have not committed our files yet. We now have to stop working. http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=summary One funny thing to me, the total number of strings decreased to 1024 strings... Could someone please let us know what is happening? noriko From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 13:56:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:08:55AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hi > > It seems that POT and PO files have now been updated. > This was supposed to happen on 6-Nov, and many of us have not committed > our files yet. We now have to stop working. > http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=summary > > One funny thing to me, the total number of strings decreased to 1024 > strings... > > Could someone please let us know what is happening? Noriko, I believe I'm the person who updated the POT, but I thought I was giving translators early content to make sure they were able to work as long as possible on the correct content. Are you saying that updating the POT files destroys your previous work? I thought that the update would simply mark new strings that have changed a little bit as fuzzy. Does this really require that work stop? Don't translators have a way of getting the updates without destroying their existing work? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 15:13:09 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:13:09 -0500 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:44:23AM -0300, Domingo Becker wrote: > 2008/11/5 Paul W. Frields : > > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:08:55AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> It seems that POT and PO files have now been updated. > >> This was supposed to happen on 6-Nov, and many of us have not committed > >> our files yet. We now have to stop working. > >> http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=summary > >> > >> One funny thing to me, the total number of strings decreased to 1024 > >> strings... > >> > >> Could someone please let us know what is happening? > > > > Noriko, > > > > I believe I'm the person who updated the POT, but I thought I was > > giving translators early content to make sure they were able to work > > as long as possible on the correct content. > > > > Are you saying that updating the POT files destroys your previous > > work? I thought that the update would simply mark new strings that > > have changed a little bit as fuzzy. Does this really require that > > work stop? Don't translators have a way of getting the updates > > without destroying their existing work? > > > > It seems it does not destroy translations. > I started translations with an es.po file a week ago, I commited > translations some hours ago, against the new es.po file with the new > strings and it seems it does not destroy my work. > t.fp.o [1] shows for Spanish 341/476/207 (1024 strings) while my > poEdit shows 353/477/200 (1030 strings). Of course, I have to download > the new .po file to continue working. I wonder what will happen when we do the *next* change of the POT and PO. I expect that the gettext utils would mark some things fuzzy if there is a slight change between your work and the new updates. I would certainly hope that no work would be completely lost or futile! -- Paul W. 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Frields) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:49:43 -0500 Subject: priority tasks 'til 07 Nov In-Reply-To: <20081105174612.GA25360@calliope.phig.org> References: <20081105174612.GA25360@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081105184943.GA3895@localhost.localdomain> Trivial correction: On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:46:12AM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: [...snip...] > * Review and update the following parts of the fedora-release-notes > package (due 06 Nov 2059 UTC): > ** https://fedorahosted.org/readme/ > ** https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-iso/ ^^^ https://fedorahosted.org/readme-burning-isos/ > ** https://fedorahosted.org/readme-live-image/ > ** https://fedorahosted.org/about-fedora/ > * Create updated POT file for fedora-release-notes (due: 06 Nov 2359 > UTC) > > I'm working on a final read through of the Installation Guide just > before pushing it for translation. This is due 07 Nov 2008. Good job keeping us pointed at the important stuff! 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11:06 < quaid> this follows on the email to f-trans-l yesterday 11:06 < quaid> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html 11:07 < quaid> I'm most concerned about sync on the relnotes; I think I'm going to have to go over all parts of it 11:07 < quaid> hoping those go quickly :) 11:07 < stickster> I'm very concerned about those too :-( 11:07 < quaid> the problem is ... 11:08 < quaid> ideally it's a task "anyone" can do 11:08 < stickster> It's just really hard thanks to the transclusions 11:08 < quaid> but it's a bit messed up now and I'm not sure how that can happen without having more knowledge 11:09 < stickster> quaid: I think I did everything from the top down to Live images already 11:09 < stickster> And have been visiting the pages upon getting wiki commit notices, so the watches would stay current 11:09 < quaid> 'did' in which sense? 11:10 * quaid is wondering if you mean carried to XML 11:10 < stickster> quaid: Sorry, 'did' == 'sync wiki content with relnotes content, making fixes in both where required' 11:10 < quaid> k 11:10 < stickster> s/relnotes/XML/ 11:10 -!- rahul_b [n=rbhalera at 123.236.177.169] has quit ["Leaving(?????? ????)"] 11:10 < stickster> In some cases I was seeing ESL contributors making corrections that weren't... well, correct 11:11 < quaid> right 11:11 < ke4qqq> hmmmm wonder if I am one of those contributors :) 11:11 < stickster> I tried to capture the sense of the change if there was something to be gained 11:11 < quaid> ok 11:11 < stickster> ke4qqq: No, Southerners don't count as ESL in my book :-D 11:12 < quaid> our procedure calls for sync'ing changes made during the XML process back to the wiki, but that didn't happen this time; and every time I face that step, I hate it. 11:12 < quaid> for next time, I'd like to reconsider that step :) 11:12 -!- AndreasR [n=zeus at 80-218-142-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:12 < quaid> that is, once converted, the XML becomes canonical _for_that_release_, but we still accept changes to the wiki and migrate to make it easy for people. 11:12 < quaid> but they _must_ refer to the built from XML as canonical before they make changes 11:13 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia at p57A2B794.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:13 < ke4qqq> I agree except for accepting changes to the wiki 11:13 < ke4qqq> let them file tickets in trac 11:13 < ke4qqq> or edit directly in xml 11:14 * stickster tickled that ke4qqq wants to get back to the draconian thing that stickster used to advocate 11:14 < ke4qqq> you'll hate me when you get down to amateur radio and see all of the changes (in lots of incremental steps) 11:14 < quaid> past experience says that reduces the # of contributions; OTOH Trac is easier to use than BZ, which was the equivalent in the past. 11:14 < ke4qqq> how many people edited relnotes when you asked? 11:14 < ke4qqq> and even more, how many of those are you having to revert 11:14 < quaid> no real statistics, just gut feel atm. 11:14 < stickster> A small handful, four to six people maybe? 11:15 < stickster> Oh 11:15 < stickster> never mind me 11:15 < stickster> I thought you asked a different question than the one you *really* asked. 11:15 < quaid> well, I'm not tracking like that, that's all :) 11:15 < stickster> Well there's no two ways about it, wiki <-> XML is just frickin' painful. 11:16 < ke4qqq> trac worked well for IG 11:16 < ke4qqq> I think 11:16 < stickster> That hasn't changed since the dawn of time. 11:16 < quaid> also ... once the package is in the Preview Release, people need to file actual bug reports 11:16 < stickster> quaid: What about taking all the pages once we go to PR, and moving them out of Docs/Beats and into Archive: somewhere? 11:16 < quaid> we really don't want to confuse people about where to file bug reports, and I fear throwing Trac in there does that. 11:16 < stickster> That would kind of force the issue, wouldn't it? 11:16 < quaid> stickster: the problem there is the timing 11:17 < quaid> we are getting comments from the Beta, not PR 11:17 < quaid> PR happens so close to our freeze for trans that we really don't get much from the PR for the relnotes. 11:17 < stickster> quaid: Now you see why we really need to be having this conversation with the lovable poelcat 11:17 < stickster> ;-) 11:17 < quaid> rilly? 11:18 < quaid> he doesn't control that part of the schedule, though 11:18 < stickster> "control," no... but "helps bring sanity to" 11:18 < quaid> and it's our choice to not put out a package for the Beta 11:18 -!- Renault [n=chatzill at AToulon-151-1-14-170.w83-197.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:18 < quaid> releng sees the PR as an actual preview, near RC 11:19 < quaid> where we are using it as a beta for the relnotes, in a sense 11:19 < quaid> so i don't see releng giving more time in the schedule between Beta and PR parts. 11:19 < quaid> otoh, we _could_ consider putting out a package for the Beta, etc. 11:19 < stickster> quaid: Or simply base it on the actual development freeze date 11:20 < quaid> right 11:20 < stickster> which is somewhere between Beta and PR, 11:20 < stickster> iirc 11:20 -!- Renault [n=chatzill at AToulon-151-1-111-26.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:20 < quaid> ok, we have some stuff to ponder here then 11:20 < quaid> for the next release, etc. 11:20 < quaid> today is just the pain :) 11:21 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia at p57A2CAE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:21 < quaid> ACTION: Wed, Thu #fedora-docs focused on beat -> XML for relnotes 11:21 < quaid> when I'm done with my expense reports, I'll start on that, and do what I can to help anyone else who wants to help. 11:22 * stickster will do what he can too 11:22 < stickster> action to progress in #fedora-docs per usual, right? 11:23 * ke4qqq will volunteer to help as he can - but doesn't know about availability ATM 11:23 < quaid> yeah, no worries on that 11:23 < quaid> stickster: yep 11:23 < quaid> we'll drag some others in, you'll see :) 11:25 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:25 < quaid> ke4qqq, stickster btw, in case I haven't said this clearly ... I REALLY appreciate the prodding and questioning I get from folks such as you two; I'm so mentally tied up around Docs that it's hard to see the forest and the trees; but I have a deep imperative to make this clock tick. 11:25 < quaid> and that's enough mixed metaphors! 11:25 < quaid> so keep up the good work, etc. 11:25 * stickster throws in the goose, the golden egg, and a frying pan for good measure 11:25 * quaid gets that feeling in his stomach at every stupid hole in Docs he steps through all the time, and has an addictive-enabling reaction to it too often 11:26 < quaid> like ... "I should have solved this years ago when it was easy." 11:26 -!- ezq [n=ezq at host93.190-137-205.telecom.net.ar] has quit ["Saliendo"] 11:26 < quaid> ok, I think ... 11:26 < quaid> we can skip the task list right now, we touched upon the important stuff. 11:27 < quaid> also ... 11:27 * stickster has realized that prodding's OK as long as it's gentle and constructive 11:27 < quaid> ACTION: IG all day on #fedora-docs Thu, Fri 11:27 < quaid> stickster: I like to think I trained you for FPL by having to do that to me for previous years :) 11:27 < stickster> :-D 11:27 < quaid> so I would *love* to talk about our web publishing future 11:27 < stickster> *pffft it was often the other way 11:28 * quaid missed who put that on the agenda, but thx 11:28 < stickster> quaid: web pub <-- as if *that* wasn't apropos! 11:28 * quaid steps through another hole 11:28 < stickster> hee hee 11:29 < ke4qqq> ohhh yeah aren't you supposed to have a CMS picked out :) 11:29 < stickster> again with the prodding :-D 11:29 < stickster> no no, kidding 11:29 * ke4qqq couldn't resist 11:29 < stickster> This is much more of a joint deal than just quaid picking something, to be sure 11:29 -!- tc141516 [i=blewis at host86-141-165-235.range86-141.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:30 -!- fugolini [n=francesc at host30-196-dynamic.17-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:31 < quaid> yeah 11:31 < quaid> but I haven't been prodding us all along on that 11:31 < quaid> it really was my own fault for trying to push before release 11:31 < quaid> otoh, we do have a few "quiet" weeks coming up 11:31 < quaid> and Nigel has a host we can play on 11:32 < stickster> quaid: Seems to me that FUDCon should be used as a "Have everything decided so we can make liftoff" date 11:32 < quaid> could be 11:32 < quaid> but I 11:32 < quaid> 'd rather have it be 11:32 < quaid> a "finish the last bits" :) 11:32 -!- sdziallas_ [n=sebastia at p57A2F585.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:32 < quaid> I wonder if we can pick a tool ourselves, as-is 11:32 < quaid> then go seek an implementor 11:32 < quaid> put out the word, ask for someone with skills in $X 11:33 * ke4qqq would feel better if we did that with our shortlist 11:33 < quaid> hmm 11:33 < quaid> yeah, that could work 11:34 < quaid> build on and improve our MediaWiki migration model 11:34 < ke4qqq> that way we can take into account available talent in our decision making process 11:34 * stickster notes that strategically speaking we should make sure "take into account available talent" doesn't end up meaning "stretch thin resources thinner" 11:35 < stickster> i.e. let's try to grow the number of people involved by reaching into the outside communities if possible 11:35 < ke4qqq> hmmmm wonder if that's something we can recruit for 11:36 < quaid> e.g. Drupal folks have responded about CMS in the past 11:36 < stickster> quaid: Funny, I was thinking the same thing 11:36 * ke4qqq thinks that would be cool - add a contributor from upstream. 11:36 < stickster> And drupal is one of the few CMS' actively tracked and carried in Fedora 11:37 < ke4qqq> and it would give us ven more of a in if we need upstream to add features/fix bugs 11:37 < ke4qqq> s/ven/even 11:37 < stickster> but... 11:37 < stickster> http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,534/Itemid,35/ 11:39 < ke4qqq> would you really use a wysiwyg? 11:39 -!- DemonJester_away is now known as DemonJester 11:40 < stickster> ke4qqq: It should be extensible to do wysiwyg or $EDITOR, if not handled already 11:41 < quaid> http://drupal.org/project/Modules 11:41 < quaid> how about this ... 11:42 * quaid starts doing numbering, ready? 11:42 -!- buggbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has quit [Broken pipe] 11:42 < stickster> quaid: Yeah, looks like they have an export function (HTML => DocBook XML, i.e.lossy) 11:42 -!- bzbot [n=supybot at landfill.bugzilla.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:42 < quaid> 1. We make a big public splash that we are hunting hard 11:42 < quaid> 2. Talk lots on f-docs-l for a week and pick a shortlist 11:42 < quaid> 3. announce that shortlist and that we are actively trying things out; put up test instances, give test drives 11:43 < quaid> 4. Amongst that, we mention again that we need actual talent to deliver the solution within Fedora, and invite those folks to join the discussion and help us with the decision process. 11:43 < quaid> 5. Ideally we get both a decision and a doer at the same time 11:43 < quaid> 6. Optionally we discover we aren't going to get it that easy, but we do get a shortlist or a single choice; then we can decide if we want to troll with the shortlist. 11:43 -!- sdziallas [n=sebastia at p57A2CAE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:44 * quaid means 'troll' in the fishin' sense :) 11:44 -!- sdziallas_ is now known as sdziallas 11:44 * stickster down with that 11:44 * ke4qqq likes that plan 11:44 * stickster notes that he was just at Ontario LF and Joomla! was there. :-( Would have been a good opportunity to chat if not for timing 11:44 < stickster> ah well, email works regardless ;-) 11:44 < quaid> so we sort-of get what ke4qqq suggested, with enough looseness to not thin out resources, and enough talk to attract from those outside commnities. 11:45 < quaid> stickster: right, and we can do some reach out to people stuff; I may have met their mentor, for example. 11:45 < ke4qqq> joomla isn't available in fedora is it? so it'd have to get packaged? 11:45 * quaid notes that Drupal GSoC mentors included a 16 year old and a 13 year old, who otherwise was not qualified for GSoC or GHOP 11:46 < quaid> ke4qqq: that becomes part of the requirement; the task doer might need to become the packager. 11:46 < quaid> but if some of these projects might be willing to help for the increased usage, awareness, and press-splashiness of "Fedora Documentation chooses $FOO!" 11:46 < stickster> ke4qqq: Yes, would have to be packaged. 11:46 < quaid> and in that case, packaging behooves them even more. 11:47 * quaid wonders wtf Joomla isn't packaged for Fedora 11:47 < stickster> Not sure 11:48 < stickster> But it's gotta be license compliant 11:48 < quaid> yeah, I've seen them at places but never asked. 11:48 * stickster will check it out 11:49 < quaid> ok, so that's a plan, too 11:49 < quaid> anything else on this topic or ... ready to move on or close? 11:49 -!- jsmith [n=njsmith at 72.21.36.138] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:49 < stickster> Oh, look who finally decides to join the party! 11:49 * jsmith is terribly late... got caught up in other meetings 11:49 -!- MEP [n=MEP at host107-164-dynamic.53-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:49 * stickster kids, he kids 11:50 * ke4qqq would love to see alfresco in the running and manage to get packaged at the same time - but don't know that it's a fit 11:50 < jsmith> Yup... sorry guys. 11:50 < jsmith> ke4qqq: Even better... there's a plugin for Alfresco designed for Docbook 11:50 * jsmith can't remember the name... starts with a C 11:50 < stickster> Cabinet of Dr. Caligari? 11:51 < stickster> Cabernet? 11:51 * ke4qqq REALLY likes Alfresco - but again don't know that it's a fit for us 11:51 < quaid> ke4qqq: Alfresco themselves are supposed to be working on packaging, but I haven't heard from Lee in a while. 11:51 < stickster> Yeah, too quiet on that front to be hopeful just yet 11:51 < jsmith> Componize! 11:52 < jsmith> That's what it's called 11:52 < stickster> Voltron! 11:52 -!- nim-nim [n=nim-nim at fedora/nim-nim] has joined #fedora-meeting 11:53 < stickster> quaid: nothing more from here 11:53 < quaid> same here 11:53 < quaid> closing in 10 11:54 < quaid> 5 11:54 < quaid> 4 11:54 < quaid> 3 11:54 < quaid> 2 11:54 < quaid> 1 11:54 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Amongst that, we mention (again) that we need actual talent to deliver the solution within Fedora, and invite those folks to join the discussion and help us with the decision process. 5. Ideally we get both a decision and a doer at the same time 6. Optionally we discover we aren't going to get it that easy, but we do get a shortlist or a single choice; then we can decide if we want to troll with the shortlist. === Summary === * Post-F10 relnotes and schedule analysis notes: ** Once Beats are converted to XML, the XML is canonical _for_that_release_ ** Should we move back to a packaged fedora-release-notes for Beta? *** Package for Preview Release gets only a few days in the wild before we have to freeze for l10n *** Could sync with the development freeze between Beta and PR ** How do we want to handle corrections to Beats after conversion to XML? *** Do we freeze wiki changes from there, work only in XML, and use BZ or Trac to gather fix-it requests? *** Two-way sync is a PITA *** If a package, they can file bug reports for a clear path ** Need to ponder more on what to do next time * Hoping search for CMS brings in new contributors to Docs/Fedora, rather than stretching existing ones thinner ** Publicity on CMS project might help here; perhaps paid $CMS developers might help for the "Fedora Documentation chooses $CMS" publicity. -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adam at physco.com Tue Nov 4 22:37:17 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:37:17 -0500 Subject: F10 Preview release announcement In-Reply-To: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1225838237.14395.5.camel@Q> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 05:06 -0500, Karsten Wade wrote: > And so it is. Adam, thanks for the great work. I edited, tweaked a bit, added URLs, pruned, and reduced to only two exclamation points. Hopefully you find that emphasized the quality of the work by removing diluting content. :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_(F-10)_Preview_Release_announcement > > "Test pre-release? No, way, we _taste_ pre-releases." > > How does everyone like this "final" version? Ready to: Looks good to me! Only suggestion I have, reflecting something Paul pointed out earlier, is to reduce/remove the word "smell". So in the line > Doesn't it smell yummy? We know you can't resist, and we don't want > you to. Perhaps we should change it to say "Doesn't it look yummy?". Also, with all the nice new links tossed in, the "(http://bugzilla.redhat.com) link in the bug section might be redundant. Removing it might make things look/flow a little better there. But both of these are nit picks, and I'm +1 with or without them. - Adam From adam at physco.com Tue Nov 4 22:56:36 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:56:36 -0500 Subject: F10 Preview release announcement In-Reply-To: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <2096854711.39371225793205415.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1225839396.16312.1.camel@Q> On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 05:06 -0500, Karsten Wade wrote: > ----- "Adam D. Ligas" wrote: > > > "We've been cooking, and now its time for a taste test!" > > > > I think I like that one a lot more. > > And so it is. Adam, thanks for the great work. I edited, tweaked a bit, added URLs, pruned, and reduced to only two exclamation points. Hopefully you find that emphasized the quality of the work by removing diluting content. :) > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Cambridge_(F-10)_Preview_Release_announcement > > "Test pre-release? No, way, we _taste_ pre-releases." > > How does everyone like this "final" version? Ready to: Nevermind - I just saw the announcement went out. My Internet blew out last night, so I'm a bit behind tracking everything on all of the lists. - Adam From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 23:58:54 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:58:54 +1000 Subject: what does content look like on docs.fp.o Message-ID: <95f1114b0811051558w663ec115k956f93b4b3c43cdf@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I saw this in #fedora-docs: "Wiki => XML in git => HTML => PHP-wrapped-HTML => CVS => HTML => docs.fp.o" Is it possible to build content with publican and then host on docs.fp.o? Will it look the same as if I built it locally? Cheers. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 00:43:43 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:43:43 +1000 Subject: what does content look like on docs.fp.o In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811051558w663ec115k956f93b4b3c43cdf@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811051558w663ec115k956f93b4b3c43cdf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811051643l591aa608k18224f64d97ef036@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I saw this in #fedora-docs: > > "Wiki => XML in git => HTML => PHP-wrapped-HTML => CVS => HTML => docs.fp.o" > > Is it possible to build content with publican and then host on docs.fp.o? > > Will it look the same as if I built it locally? > > Cheers. > After seeing that the system uses PHP scripts, and how to add documentation, I had this horrible feeling that I would not be able to use publican if I needed something on docs.fedoraproject.org. Is this true? :) From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 01:04:44 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:04:44 +0800 Subject: Seeking for legal advice (fedora-zh.org) Message-ID: <76e72f800811051704o106078aag8075d274beab2d7f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, We some ambassadors are setting up another website for fedora (will be http://{bbs,wiki,news}.fedora-zh.org ). Current copyright and licese rules: * any contents belong to its author * on bbs any original contents must be licensed under OPL + CC(by-sa) * on news any original contents must be licensed under CC(by-sa) * on wiki all contents are in public domain What I want to know is: * should we ask the authors to assign copyright ownership to our organization? but we do not have an organization yet, and we don't have the effort of setting up a CLA (!) system. * the reason to use OPL is that I hope some content can be transfered to fedoraproject wiki without asking for more permission. Is it possible if we do not own those contents? * the reason to use CC(by-sa) is that the license is so popular. It seems fedoraproject suggests some contents to be CC-ed (artwork, videos) except for documents, why? * is there any conflict in our requirement that contents are licensed in both OPL and CC(by-sa)? * any other problems do you think? Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^ From noriko at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 01:08:29 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:08:29 +1000 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:44:23AM -0300, Domingo Becker wrote: >> 2008/11/5 Paul W. Frields : >>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:08:55AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> It seems that POT and PO files have now been updated. >>>> This was supposed to happen on 6-Nov, and many of us have not committed >>>> our files yet. We now have to stop working. >>>> http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=summary >>>> >>>> One funny thing to me, the total number of strings decreased to 1024 >>>> strings... >>>> >>>> Could someone please let us know what is happening? >>> Noriko, >>> >>> I believe I'm the person who updated the POT, but I thought I was >>> giving translators early content to make sure they were able to work >>> as long as possible on the correct content. >>> >>> Are you saying that updating the POT files destroys your previous >>> work? I thought that the update would simply mark new strings that >>> have changed a little bit as fuzzy. Does this really require that >>> work stop? Don't translators have a way of getting the updates >>> without destroying their existing work? >>> >> It seems it does not destroy translations. >> I started translations with an es.po file a week ago, I commited >> translations some hours ago, against the new es.po file with the new >> strings and it seems it does not destroy my work. >> t.fp.o [1] shows for Spanish 341/476/207 (1024 strings) while my >> poEdit shows 353/477/200 (1030 strings). Of course, I have to download >> the new .po file to continue working. > > I wonder what will happen when we do the *next* change of the POT and > PO. I expect that the gettext utils would mark some things fuzzy if > there is a slight change between your work and the new updates. I > would certainly hope that no work would be completely lost or futile! > Paul, don't worry it does not destroy, but the situation seems not nice. This is how I am understanding and had experience when used to work on cvs. The translator has been working the file on her machine not commit it to the repository yet, let's say the version 1.0. Beside the author updated this version with some change resulting the version 1.1. Now the translator tried to commit the file worked, but she got error message saying the file is conflict. Because the repository has latest version of 1.1, while she is still trying to commit version 1.0. She needs to merge her file of 1.0 and 1.1 locally before commit. If there are 10 translators, this local merge must be done for each language. If the author notified translators to commit before update, this merge is not required. Now I see strange thing here, and need some help. I did 'git pull', so I got latest PO files with 1024 strings intead 1030. I did test commit po_BR.po translated with 1030 strings against latest pt_BR.po with 1024 strings. [noriko at noriko po]$ git commit -m 'commit test' pt_BR.po Created commit dd92755: commit test 1 files changed, 1035 insertions(+), 4134 deletions(-) I got no error, but it seems overwritten when I see log. [noriko at noriko po]$ git log pt_BR.po commit dd92755ac9c5998d2e59be8ea578d52188fa5d6c Author: noriko Date: Thu Nov 6 10:39:35 2008 +1000 commit test commit f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 Author: Paul W. Frields Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 Update POT and PO files commit be922275841a93fd0d1887516231632e4b8cb97e Author: Paul W. Frields Date: Tue Nov 4 06:45:28 2008 -0500 Update POT and PO files -- there is more new content coming before the Novem commit 671b060c6cb1b495d391b56ca9aaf3650c223a69 Author: Paul W. Frields Date: Tue Oct 21 22:13:26 2008 -0400 Update POT and PO with new XML file content : noriko > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From bbbush.yuan at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 01:08:45 2008 From: bbbush.yuan at gmail.com (Yuan Yijun) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:08:45 +0800 Subject: Seeking for legal advice (fedora-zh.org) In-Reply-To: <76e72f800811051704o106078aag8075d274beab2d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e72f800811051704o106078aag8075d274beab2d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <76e72f800811051708y2840b8f3sfcf45e3826c5878e@mail.gmail.com> BTW, I also want to * know how to define and request for the right to translate any pages on fedora wiki * ... request for the right to translate any posts on fedora-announcement-list and fedora-devel-announcement-list * ... request for the right to translate news from osnews, lwn, etc. ? Thanks! -- bbbush ^_^ From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 07:11:28 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:11:28 -0800 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081106071128.GO25360@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:08:29AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Paul, don't worry it does not destroy, but the situation seems not nice. > This is how I am understanding and had experience when used to work on cvs. > The translator has been working the file on her machine not commit it to > the repository yet, let's say the version 1.0. Beside the author updated > this version with some change resulting the version 1.1. Now the > translator tried to commit the file worked, but she got error message > saying the file is conflict. Because the repository has latest version of > 1.1, while she is still trying to commit version 1.0. > She needs to merge her file of 1.0 and 1.1 locally before commit. If > there are 10 translators, this local merge must be done for each language. > If the author notified translators to commit before update, this merge is > not required. If we can actually use git, we may find these merges a lot easier because git is a better tool than cvs. > Now I see strange thing here, and need some help. > I did 'git pull', so I got latest PO files with 1024 strings intead 1030. > I did test commit po_BR.po translated with 1030 strings against latest > pt_BR.po with 1024 strings. > > [noriko at noriko po]$ git commit -m 'commit test' pt_BR.po > Created commit dd92755: commit test > 1 files changed, 1035 insertions(+), 4134 deletions(-) > > I got no error, but it seems overwritten when I see log. I just did a 'git pull' and this is what I see: [kwade at calliope release-notes {master}]$ git log po/pt_BR.po commit f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 Author: Paul W. Frields Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 Update POT and PO files ... Where is your commit? It is where it belongs, on your machine in your local repository. Until you do 'git push', you do not merge your local repo to the remote one. Because git is a distributed version control system (DVCS), it does not have a sense of there being a 'master' repository. Each clone of a module has the entire commit history up to that point; this is why you can run 'git log' and get results. It does not actually check across the network for this information, as cvs and svn do. When using git, we make a convetion amongst collaborators as to what we consider to be the main/canonical repository. In our case, it is git.fedoraproject.org/git/docs/release-notes. But it could just as easily be the repository on your machine or my laptop. This, I believe, is part of why git is superior at resolving differences and doing merges. In a centralized VCS, two separate people with checkouts of the repo can go out of sync very easily. Eeach time you commit to your local clone of a git module, it is a unique event that can be merged in to the designated master repo. The same is true of work done by another person on the same content. Hope this makes sense ... honestly, I am *still* working on understanding what git does and why it does it, but I'm mostly happier with it. :) For one thing, I can work offline and make granular commits that remain granular when I 'git push' to the main repo. It is also faster and seems to use far fewer computing resources. ;-D - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ccurran at redhat.com Thu Nov 6 08:10:57 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:10:57 +1000 Subject: what does content look like on docs.fp.o In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811051643l591aa608k18224f64d97ef036@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811051558w663ec115k956f93b4b3c43cdf@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811051643l591aa608k18224f64d97ef036@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4912A691.1090207@redhat.com> Murray McAllister wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Murray McAllister > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I saw this in #fedora-docs: >> >> "Wiki => XML in git => HTML => PHP-wrapped-HTML => CVS => HTML => docs.fp.o" >> >> Is it possible to build content with publican and then host on docs.fp.o? >> >> Will it look the same as if I built it locally? >> >> Cheers. >> >> That process is rather complicated. Presently it's confusing and a pain to get new documents in. I have 2 documents for fedora which I'm hosting locally because converting to wiki and docbook is a pain. I'm not going to maintain 2 copies of 2 books. Can we have a documentation folder for pdf or html documents, developed with publican? Something like the way gentoo.org does their documentation. XML single source, updates to an svn repository, then nightly builds from the svn repository for the website. Wiki to docbook to wiki is silly and a massive barrier to entry. > After seeing that the system uses PHP scripts, and how to add > documentation, I had this horrible feeling that I would not be able to > use publican if I needed something on docs.fedoraproject.org. Is this > true? :) > > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:20:04 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:20:04 -0500 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <20081106071128.GO25360@calliope.phig.org> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> <20081106071128.GO25360@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081106132004.GD6718@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:11:28PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:08:29AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > > > Paul, don't worry it does not destroy, but the situation seems not nice. > > This is how I am understanding and had experience when used to work on cvs. > > The translator has been working the file on her machine not commit it to > > the repository yet, let's say the version 1.0. Beside the author updated > > this version with some change resulting the version 1.1. Now the > > translator tried to commit the file worked, but she got error message > > saying the file is conflict. Because the repository has latest version of > > 1.1, while she is still trying to commit version 1.0. > > She needs to merge her file of 1.0 and 1.1 locally before commit. If > > there are 10 translators, this local merge must be done for each language. > > If the author notified translators to commit before update, this merge is > > not required. > > If we can actually use git, we may find these merges a lot easier > because git is a better tool than cvs. > > > Now I see strange thing here, and need some help. > > I did 'git pull', so I got latest PO files with 1024 strings intead 1030. > > I did test commit po_BR.po translated with 1030 strings against latest > > pt_BR.po with 1024 strings. > > > > [noriko at noriko po]$ git commit -m 'commit test' pt_BR.po > > Created commit dd92755: commit test > > 1 files changed, 1035 insertions(+), 4134 deletions(-) > > > > I got no error, but it seems overwritten when I see log. > > I just did a 'git pull' and this is what I see: > > [kwade at calliope release-notes {master}]$ git log po/pt_BR.po > commit f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 > Author: Paul W. Frields > Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 > > Update POT and PO files > ... > > Where is your commit? > > It is where it belongs, on your machine in your local repository. > Until you do 'git push', you do not merge your local repo to the > remote one. [...snip...] I suspect this is the case -- that Noriko has a local commit that's not been pushed. Since it's got a "commit test" log message that's probably reasonable. Noriko, it would be helpful if we understood how translators are working? How do they retrieve POT or PO files? When and how do they submit their work back to the repository? We will refrain from updating POT or PO further except for scheduled drops, but we should probably develop instructions for translators that will help them make better use of the tools available, and rely less on restrictive manual policies. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:21:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:21:17 -0500 Subject: FDSCo Meeting 2008-11-05 Summary In-Reply-To: <20081105204113.GD25360@calliope.phig.org> References: <20081105204113.GD25360@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081106132117.GE6718@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 12:41:13PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > * ACTION: Wed, Thu #fedora-docs focused on beat -> XML for relnotes And yet everyone disappeared? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 13:28:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:28:50 -0500 Subject: Seeking for legal advice (fedora-zh.org) In-Reply-To: <76e72f800811051704o106078aag8075d274beab2d7f@mail.gmail.com> References: <76e72f800811051704o106078aag8075d274beab2d7f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081106132850.GF6718@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 09:04:44AM +0800, Yuan Yijun wrote: > Hi, > > We some ambassadors are setting up another website for fedora (will be > http://{bbs,wiki,news}.fedora-zh.org ). Current copyright and licese > rules: > > * any contents belong to its author > * on bbs any original contents must be licensed under OPL + CC(by-sa) > * on news any original contents must be licensed under CC(by-sa) > * on wiki all contents are in public domain > > What I want to know is: > > * should we ask the authors to assign copyright ownership to our > organization? but we do not have an organization yet, and we don't > have the effort of setting up a CLA (!) system. I would *highly* discourage you from duplicating the work already done in the Fedora Project on a CLA system or other infrastructure. This completely defeats the point of scalability. Instead, I would encourage you to work with the Infrastructure team as needed to make any systems you decide to set up use the Fedora Account System, possibly OpenID for example. Having local communities in Fedora is a very good thing -- splitting those local communities off into separate systems is not. > * the reason to use OPL is that I hope some content can be transfered > to fedoraproject wiki without asking for more permission. Is it > possible if we do not own those contents? If the content is OPL without additional restrictions, yes, it can be transferred to the Fedora Project wiki without permission. That is a redistribution that is allowed under the license. You would want to make sure the new copy included information about who wrote it, to satisfy the OPL. > * the reason to use CC(by-sa) is that the license is so popular. It > seems fedoraproject suggests some contents to be CC-ed (artwork, > videos) except for documents, why? The OPL license was chosen because at the time CC was very new and untested, and the OPL was the most liberal and comprehensible license we could find to satisfy our needs. > * is there any conflict in our requirement that contents are licensed > in both OPL and CC(by-sa)? This is probably a question for the fedora-legal-list. > * any other problems do you think? Your domain name, if you want to use the term "Fedora" as part of it, must be explicitly licensed by permission. "FEDORA" is a trademark of Red Hat, Inc. Use of the logo on your site is slightly less problematic. The new trademark guidelines, which have been approved and should be in the official position on our site shortly, are here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/New_trademark_guidelines -- Paul W. 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Then we need to update Colophon.xml, preferably in advance of the final PO merges in. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 6 23:23:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:23:58 -0500 Subject: Release Notes POT a little late Message-ID: <20081106232358.GD4388@localhost.localdomain> Because of unforeseen problems with the content update process, the POT file update for Release Notes will be a little late. The original deadline was 2359 UTC today, 6-Nov-2008. We expect to have it done by about 0359 UTC, 10:59pm US-Eastern. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields ????????: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:11:28PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:08:29AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> [snip] >> I just did a 'git pull' and this is what I see: >> >> [kwade at calliope release-notes {master}]$ git log po/pt_BR.po >> commit f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 >> Author: Paul W. Frields >> Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 >> >> Update POT and PO files >> ... >> >> Where is your commit? >> >> It is where it belongs, on your machine in your local repository. >> Until you do 'git push', you do not merge your local repo to the >> remote one. > [...snip...] > > I suspect this is the case -- that Noriko has a local commit that's > not been pushed. Since it's got a "commit test" log message that's > probably reasonable. > > Noriko, it would be helpful if we understood how translators are > working? How do they retrieve POT or PO files? When and how do they > submit their work back to the repository? > > We will refrain from updating POT or PO further except for scheduled > drops, but we should probably develop instructions for translators > that will help them make better use of the tools available, and rely > less on restrictive manual policies. Paul, all I was worried about is conflict which used to be common problem when using cvs. As per Domingo's mail, I found the fact that no need to worry about conflict since DL and TX look after. This is something I did not know, what a good news. I am sorry making too big noise. noriko > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 03:24:01 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:24:01 +1000 Subject: linking to draft documentation in "formal" documentation Message-ID: <95f1114b0811061924y56968931l2f1db0b38535ce72@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What is the Fedora docs rule on linking to draft documentation? I would like to . Is this a problem for anyone? Thanks. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 04:02:22 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:02:22 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki Message-ID: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but these are hard to find: 1. 2. Click "Docs" 3. I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) 4. phail :-) Ubuntu: 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ 2. support -> documentation 3. Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and non-Linux people probably want to know. openSuSE: 1. http://www.opensuse.org/en/ 2. Click Discover it 3. Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find). 4. Nice list of links. Looks pretty rocks! It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be turned into mini howtos? Sorry if I sound grumpy :-) I would be happy to convert to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts section. Cheers. From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 05:16:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:16:46 -0500 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <49138805.4000407@redhat.com> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> <20081106071128.GO25360@calliope.phig.org> <20081106132004.GD6718@localhost.localdomain> <49138805.4000407@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081107051646.GA13307@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:12:53AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Paul W. Frields ????????: >> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:11:28PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:08:29AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >>> > [snip] >>> I just did a 'git pull' and this is what I see: >>> >>> [kwade at calliope release-notes {master}]$ git log po/pt_BR.po commit >>> f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 >>> Author: Paul W. Frields >>> Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 >>> >>> Update POT and PO files >>> ... >>> >>> Where is your commit? >>> >>> It is where it belongs, on your machine in your local repository. >>> Until you do 'git push', you do not merge your local repo to the >>> remote one. >> [...snip...] >> >> I suspect this is the case -- that Noriko has a local commit that's >> not been pushed. Since it's got a "commit test" log message that's >> probably reasonable. >> >> Noriko, it would be helpful if we understood how translators are >> working? How do they retrieve POT or PO files? When and how do they >> submit their work back to the repository? >> >> We will refrain from updating POT or PO further except for scheduled >> drops, but we should probably develop instructions for translators >> that will help them make better use of the tools available, and rely >> less on restrictive manual policies. > > Paul, all I was worried about is conflict which used to be common > problem when using cvs. > As per Domingo's mail, I found the fact that no need to worry about > conflict since DL and TX look after. This is something I did not know, > what a good news. > > I am sorry making too big noise. Does this mean you guys are OK and we can drop POT as planned? If we update the POT later for special circumstances, things will be OK then too? -- Paul W. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noriko at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 05:27:15 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:27:15 +1000 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <20081107051646.GA13307@localhost.localdomain> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20081105151309.GD22752@localhost.localdomain> <4912438D.4010401@redhat.com> <20081106071128.GO25360@calliope.phig.org> <20081106132004.GD6718@localhost.localdomain> <49138805.4000407@redhat.com> <20081107051646.GA13307@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4913D1B3.8050503@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 10:12:53AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> Paul W. Frields ????????: >>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:11:28PM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >>>> On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 11:08:29AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >>>> >> [snip] >>>> I just did a 'git pull' and this is what I see: >>>> >>>> [kwade at calliope release-notes {master}]$ git log po/pt_BR.po commit >>>> f3595ce789f269f53a6634688e468f93907717b0 >>>> Author: Paul W. Frields >>>> Date: Tue Nov 4 09:35:20 2008 -0500 >>>> >>>> Update POT and PO files >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Where is your commit? >>>> >>>> It is where it belongs, on your machine in your local repository. >>>> Until you do 'git push', you do not merge your local repo to the >>>> remote one. >>> [...snip...] >>> >>> I suspect this is the case -- that Noriko has a local commit that's >>> not been pushed. Since it's got a "commit test" log message that's >>> probably reasonable. >>> >>> Noriko, it would be helpful if we understood how translators are >>> working? How do they retrieve POT or PO files? When and how do they >>> submit their work back to the repository? >>> >>> We will refrain from updating POT or PO further except for scheduled >>> drops, but we should probably develop instructions for translators >>> that will help them make better use of the tools available, and rely >>> less on restrictive manual policies. >> Paul, all I was worried about is conflict which used to be common >> problem when using cvs. >> As per Domingo's mail, I found the fact that no need to worry about >> conflict since DL and TX look after. This is something I did not know, >> what a good news. >> >> I am sorry making too big noise. > > Does this mean you guys are OK and we can drop POT as planned? If we > update the POT later for special circumstances, things will be OK then > too? Yes, confirm. You can drop POT as planned. If any unavoidable circumstances occur, please let f-t-l know asap. Thanks a lot. noriko > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 05:37:55 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:37:55 -0500 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi! > > I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but > these are hard to find: > > 1. > 2. Click "Docs" > 3. I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the > drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) > 4. phail :-) > > Ubuntu: > > 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ > 2. support -> documentation > 3. Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and > non-Linux people probably want to know. > > openSuSE: > > 1. http://www.opensuse.org/en/ > 2. Click Discover it > 3. Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find). > 4. Nice list of links. Looks pretty > rocks! > > It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having > 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets > left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe > instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be > turned into mini howtos? > > Sorry if I sound grumpy :-) > > I would be happy to convert > > to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts > section. You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs people for their free distros? :-) It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! The idea of a larger administration guide is something our contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the workload and processes that produce good docs. Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ccurran at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 07:07:05 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:07:05 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4913E919.1080903@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but >> these are hard to find: >> >> 1. >> 2. Click "Docs" >> 3. I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the >> drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) >> 4. phail :-) >> >> Ubuntu: >> >> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> 2. support -> documentation >> 3. Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and >> non-Linux people probably want to know. >> >> openSuSE: >> >> 1. http://www.opensuse.org/en/ >> 2. Click Discover it >> 3. Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find). >> 4. Nice list of links. Looks pretty >> rocks! >> >> It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having >> 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets >> left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe >> instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be >> turned into mini howtos? >> >> Sorry if I sound grumpy :-) >> >> I would be happy to convert >> >> to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts >> section. >> > > You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact > that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs > people for their free distros? :-) > > It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they > want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on > permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! > > The idea of a larger administration guide is something our > contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come > in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a > LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always > encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the > workload and processes that produce good docs. > > Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-) > > I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to find. All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't good enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no reason to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there. The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system over having all our documentation available from the http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page. Chris From piotrdrag at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 10:53:39 2008 From: piotrdrag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgRHLEhWc=?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:53:39 +0100 Subject: 3 commits - en_US/Feedback.xml en_US/Installation_notes.xml en_US/International_language_support.xml In-Reply-To: <20081107031211.C78E6120363@lists.fedorahosted.org> References: <20081107031211.C78E6120363@lists.fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <49141E33.3070901@gmail.com> Karsten Wade pisze: > + NetworkManager for Networking > + -- Anaconda is now using > + NetworkManager for configuration of > + network interfaces during installation. Themain network > interface configuration screen in ^^^^^^^ That's an ugly typo! ;) > + Anaconda has been removed. Users > + are only prompted for network configuration details if they > + are necessary during installation. The settings used during > + installatiokn are then written to the system. > + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ And here is another one. Great work anyway! -- Piotr Dr?g http://raven.pmail.pl From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 7 12:49:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:49:00 -0800 Subject: [kwade@redhat.com: fedora-release-notes PO files updated for F10 GA] Message-ID: <20081107124900.GW25360@calliope.phig.org> FYI ... Anyone who wants to help triage questions from translators, please join fedora-trans-list. Often questions arise about specific words, usage, and terms in English. It is very informative for learning about how to write to be translated. ----- Forwarded message from Karsten 'quaid' Wade ----- Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:46:28 -0800 From: Karsten 'quaid' Wade To: fedora-trans-list at redhat.com Subject: fedora-release-notes PO files updated for F10 GA X-BeenThere: fedora-trans-list at redhat.com The following modules POT/PO files have been modified for F10. These are the final changes for this content for the Fedora 10 release. Thank you for your patience as we worked through this past deadline. We were able to go over all the content one more time, fix a number of small errors, update with changes from the wiki, and close a small number of bug reports. release-notes readme-burning-isos about-fedora These modules are _not_ complete yet, but are being actively worked on. In particular, the 'readme' file requires a complete rewrite. These should be ready within the next few hours: readme readme-live-image Happy translating! Questions or problems? Ask on this list or file a bug report: http://tinyurl.com/nej3u Thanks, - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -- Fedora-trans-list mailing list Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can't fathom it, revision would be appreciated! -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:03:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:03:07 -0500 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <4913E919.1080903@redhat.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <4913E919.1080903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081107170307.GG18164@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I think there are some great documents on /wiki/Docs/Drafts/, but >>> these are hard to find: >>> >>> 1. >>> 2. Click "Docs" >>> 3. I might be impatient, but I can't actually find the link to the >>> drafts (I know it is there somewhere though) >>> 4. phail :-) >>> >>> Ubuntu: >>> >>> 1. http://www.ubuntu.com/ >>> 2. support -> documentation >>> 3. Admire pretty list of documentation that desktop users and >>> non-Linux people probably want to know. >>> >>> openSuSE: >>> >>> 1. http://www.opensuse.org/en/ >>> 2. Click Discover it >>> 3. Click Documentation (lots of clutter, but I found it easy to find). >>> 4. Nice list of links. Looks pretty >>> rocks! >>> >>> It seems the Fedora process is too formal and too hung up on having >>> 'professional documentation', that all the useful information gets >>> left behind on wiki drafts where people aren't going to look. Maybe >>> instead of the fedora admin guide , the drafts sections could be >>> turned into mini howtos? >>> >>> Sorry if I sound grumpy :-) >>> >>> I would be happy to convert >>> >>> to DocBook if it could be placed somewhere other than in the drafts >>> section. >>> >> >> You don't think it might have a little something to do with the fact >> that both of the companies behind those distros employ full-time docs >> people for their free distros? :-) >> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! >> >> The idea of a larger administration guide is something our >> contributors have wanted to do -- the problem being that people come >> in with the idea of doing a huge guide, and when they realize it's a >> LOT of work, they get overwhelmed. Which is why we've always >> encouraged people to do small documents until they get the hang of the >> workload and processes that produce good docs. >> >> Hope *I* don't sound too grumpy. ;-) >> >> > I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to find. > All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their > docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. > There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki > which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put > all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't > good enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no > reason to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there. > > The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system > over having all our documentation available from the > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have > a look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) > That's a pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics > covered in our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page. It would be easy for anyone to revise the docs content page. (The appearance is a separate issue -- it's just CSS tweaking that's necessary, and there's been a call going out on the Websites list for help with that[1].) If you'd like to take a shot at it, please feel free to come by #fedora-docs on IRC Freenode and we'll be happy to get you started. In the medium term, once F-10 is out the door we're going to look at putting up a true CMS that will work well with our DocBook XML but still allow user interaction in a wiki-like way. It is Karsten's and my jobs to get out of the way in Docs and promote more ownership by whoever is ready to participate to make things better. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 17:05:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:05:26 -0500 Subject: 3 commits - en_US/Feedback.xml en_US/Installation_notes.xml en_US/International_language_support.xml In-Reply-To: <49141E33.3070901@gmail.com> References: <20081107031211.C78E6120363@lists.fedorahosted.org> <49141E33.3070901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081107170526.GH18164@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 11:53:39AM +0100, Piotr Dr?g wrote: > Karsten Wade pisze: >> + NetworkManager for Networking >> + -- Anaconda is now using >> + NetworkManager for configuration of >> + network interfaces during installation. Themain network >> interface configuration screen in > > ^^^^^^^ > That's an ugly typo! ;) > >> + Anaconda has been removed. Users >> + are only prompted for network configuration details if they >> + are necessary during installation. The settings used during >> + installatiokn are then written to the system. >> + > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > And here is another one. > > Great work anyway! Bugs in bugzilla would be easier for tracking problems like this. But I've gone ahead and fixed these and pushed the changes. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can only claim that it made sense at the time ... I think this is a just-in-case blocker. Looking at the order of what tickets were made, I think this task is specifically for fixing problems in the f-r-n package before final push to Release Candidate. That wasn't specifically called out in other tickets; e.g. "check PO files from L10n" doesn't cover all aspects of what might break or need fixing. We may also get emergency, must-be-in-notes content that has to go in, which is something else that might need "fixing". -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:23:04 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:23:04 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #25: Update Docs Project Owned Release Note Sections In-Reply-To: <059.54bdf45236eb58d471fb31a4ec92fffe@fedorahosted.org> References: <059.54bdf45236eb58d471fb31a4ec92fffe@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <068.3bcad9de3841d6cbb953a69754d74420@fedorahosted.org> #25: Update Docs Project Owned Release Note Sections -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Reporter: jmtaylor | Owner: jmtaylor Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: This was completed and is in the final run, all good! -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:24:13 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:24:13 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #13: Convert content from wiki Beats to XML (scripted) In-Reply-To: <056.c003f10ad07cc4dd61b5ffba8cc2e5a0@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.c003f10ad07cc4dd61b5ffba8cc2e5a0@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.9c636b146abe597decbabe06e287dcc0@fedorahosted.org> #13: Convert content from wiki Beats to XML (scripted) --------------------+------------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Admin | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: --------------------+------------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: This worked out OK, about as well as the Moin Moin stuff with slightly better consistency and the XML was not broken out of the conversion box. Still a PITA to do the conversion after. Need to look in to starting a new part of fedora-doc-utils to do more automagic, based on our experience here. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:24:28 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:24:28 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #17: Push F10 Preview Release notes "live" to docs.fp.o In-Reply-To: <056.785fe4877f4f21ca3f0113edd73b9017@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.785fe4877f4f21ca3f0113edd73b9017@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.ada8626e826a3cc4252294f570c5dbaf@fedorahosted.org> #17: Push F10 Preview Release notes "live" to docs.fp.o --------------------+------------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Admin | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: --------------------+------------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Paul pushed this on time, thanks! -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:25:02 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:25:02 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #3: Enhance and highlight NetworkManager content in Beat(s)/release notes In-Reply-To: <056.2d8d470892be7857c50cadaad2e5f3fd@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.2d8d470892be7857c50cadaad2e5f3fd@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.1d2cab30e0201aad28fbc30c79b249a1@fedorahosted.org> #3: Enhance and highlight NetworkManager content in Beat(s)/release notes ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: assigned => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: This content was included, lots of NetworkManager goodness in the relnotes. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:25:37 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:25:37 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #2: Create scripts to pull wiki beats In-Reply-To: <059.e165cf9a1a4de5892b62285604b5ad56@fedorahosted.org> References: <059.e165cf9a1a4de5892b62285604b5ad56@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <068.2ea1836f24fb35c2117a94212d7a7df2@fedorahosted.org> #2: Create scripts to pull wiki beats -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Reporter: pfrields | Owner: pfrields Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: publican-ready Component: General | Version: 9.0.92 Resolution: | Keywords: -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Changes (by pfrields): * version: 9.91 => 9.0.92 Comment: Did we get these? I know I didn't create them but I seem to recall someone might have worked on them. Sorry for the lack of clue. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:26:59 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:26:59 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #8: Port content from Beta release notes to Beats in wiki In-Reply-To: <056.f27237352104ca1c4fb37a0a8e1a60a3@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.f27237352104ca1c4fb37a0a8e1a60a3@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.01b8f1fd17bc4282fa6d8b1a3c6cde82@fedorahosted.org> #8: Port content from Beta release notes to Beats in wiki ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: This was only completed to a limited degree. In the end we did not fully sync back to the wiki for several reasons: * Out of time * Thinking of changing the process in the future to make the XML notes canonical once the conversion is complete * What would the wiki be then? ** Would we stop all work there by non-Docs folks? ** Or do we let people edit, with the note that they need to reference the XML build to see what might be fixed already? Something we're pondering for F11. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:27:19 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:27:19 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #10: Check Beats for relevancy -- planting or pruning In-Reply-To: <056.5ee8ec003987bb30582069bd69575b29@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.5ee8ec003987bb30582069bd69575b29@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.f2287ff2ecd512d7ec66ac122e5cb5c2@fedorahosted.org> #10: Check Beats for relevancy -- planting or pruning ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Beats were pruned and replanted with success. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:27:32 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:27:32 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #11: Examine and adjust structure of XML-side release notes In-Reply-To: <056.d7d3df9d95db33eae05caeb1fe3daa39@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.d7d3df9d95db33eae05caeb1fe3daa39@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.3a23206667b82e5716000fb17fe414c9@fedorahosted.org> #11: Examine and adjust structure of XML-side release notes ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: New structure looks good, all work done on the XML side. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 17:29:22 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:29:22 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Release Notes] #12: Edit and rewrite Beats In-Reply-To: <056.7549cd23db62e9b2b40cc5febb08ec4d@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7549cd23db62e9b2b40cc5febb08ec4d@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.12a97dd9531c5a9bc23478f96c42d9d1@fedorahosted.org> #12: Edit and rewrite Beats ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: PR-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by quaid): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Edited and rewritten on the wiki before conversion. Could have been better, suffered from not getting usual "edit as they are written" treatment. Team was at a disadvantage with changes in wiki notification from MediaWiki; if a change email arrives and is not responded to, no more change emails arrive. Great for flooding prevention, but forces RSS usage instead, which is a different method. We didn't realize this until late in the process, thus the content needed more editing than usual. Some change had to be made later on the XML side that were missed in the initial wiki edit. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From piotrdrag at gmail.com Fri Nov 7 19:46:49 2008 From: piotrdrag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgRHLEhWc=?=) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:46:49 +0100 Subject: 3 commits - en_US/Feedback.xml en_US/Installation_notes.xml en_US/International_language_support.xml In-Reply-To: <20081107170526.GH18164@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081107031211.C78E6120363@lists.fedorahosted.org> <49141E33.3070901@gmail.com> <20081107170526.GH18164@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49149B29.8060202@gmail.com> Paul W. Frields pisze: > Bugs in bugzilla would be easier for tracking problems like this. But > I've gone ahead and fixed these and pushed the changes. > I had only a few minutes before leaving home, and I knew that you are going to produce final POT today. So I wrote this quick e-mail. Sorry for inconvenience, usually I'm using Bugzilla to reporting things like this. -- Piotr Dr?g http://raven.pmail.pl From trac at fedorahosted.org Fri Nov 7 20:41:08 2008 From: trac at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Installation Guide) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:41:08 -0000 Subject: [Fedora Installation Guide] #13: Boot Loader - Chapter 13 update In-Reply-To: <056.6958a9b232a4dc75139e53450d5a5f12@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.6958a9b232a4dc75139e53450d5a5f12@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.429c17f9e0dd0ae3f1516c51671f5b9b@fedorahosted.org> #13: Boot Loader - Chapter 13 update ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: jsmith Type: task | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: 10.0.0 Resolution: fixed | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Changes (by jsmith): * status: new => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Updated and checked into the git repository. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Installation Guide Fedora Documentation - Installation Guide From victor.ibragimov at gmail.com Tue Nov 4 16:21:43 2008 From: victor.ibragimov at gmail.com (Victor Ibragimov) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 08:21:43 -0800 Subject: F10 Preview release notes In-Reply-To: <20081104122032.GC9816@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081104122032.GC9816@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <49107697.5010202@gmail.com> Even if the Tajik language does not meet minimum requirements for the tarnslation of essential files. Are there any way to include Tajik language to Fedora 10? Thanks, Victor. Tajik Fedora and Software Localization Team Paul W. Frields wrote: > I'm working on publishing a preview of the Fedora 10 release notes on > the web. They will appear shortly at: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/ > > Because we are still trying to get all the content updated for a final > POT/PO drop on November 6, some strings may have changed since > translators last worked on them. I am publishing all current locales > of the release notes regardless. > > If you see strings on the web version that you're sure you translated, > but appear in English instead, there may have been a "fuzzy" change. > > Remember that you will have until November 13 to complete all release > notes translations for the F10 GA release. The Docs team will build > the RPM for the release on November 14 to deliver to release > engineering. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From domingobecker at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 14:44:23 2008 From: domingobecker at gmail.com (Domingo Becker) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:44:23 -0300 Subject: F10 Release Notes PO files In-Reply-To: <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> References: <4910F227.5090507@redhat.com> <20081105135607.GB22752@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4818cd80811050644y336037dbjedaa74cce27e0a7f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/11/5 Paul W. Frields : > On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:08:55AM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> Hi >> >> It seems that POT and PO files have now been updated. >> This was supposed to happen on 6-Nov, and many of us have not committed >> our files yet. We now have to stop working. >> http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=summary >> >> One funny thing to me, the total number of strings decreased to 1024 >> strings... >> >> Could someone please let us know what is happening? > > Noriko, > > I believe I'm the person who updated the POT, but I thought I was > giving translators early content to make sure they were able to work > as long as possible on the correct content. > > Are you saying that updating the POT files destroys your previous > work? I thought that the update would simply mark new strings that > have changed a little bit as fuzzy. Does this really require that > work stop? Don't translators have a way of getting the updates > without destroying their existing work? > It seems it does not destroy translations. I started translations with an es.po file a week ago, I commited translations some hours ago, against the new es.po file with the new strings and it seems it does not destroy my work. t.fp.o [1] shows for Spanish 341/476/207 (1024 strings) while my poEdit shows 353/477/200 (1030 strings). Of course, I have to download the new .po file to continue working. [1] http://translate.fedoraproject.org/module/docs-release-notes kind regards Domingo Becker (es) From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 00:33:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:33:29 -0500 Subject: New release notes POT/PO Message-ID: <20081108003329.GA4525@localhost.localdomain> I just sent some new POT and PO for the release notes content to the git repositories. There were a couple of XML files missing from the manifest that needed to be added. I apologize for both the oversight and the change. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Sat Nov 8 05:01:26 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:01:26 -0800 Subject: Finishing F10 Docs & Translation schedules Message-ID: <49151D26.5080202@redhat.com> Apologies for the delay in getting back to you all. I was hoping we could do this real time, but I guess that isn't going to work out for now. Maybe we can meet at FUDCon to make sure the Fedora 11 schedule is setup correctly from the start? I built a special report that combines the docs and translation tasks into one schedule if that is more helpful to look at. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-and-trans-tasks.html The other schedules are in their regular places using the header navigation here: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-all-tasks.html Here are the questions and things I am still not clear on. 1) For schedule tracking purposes the primary work products, what work products are {created by the docs team && translated by the translation team}: a) fedora-release-notes.rpm (ALL files inside) b) Installation guide c) ???? --I guess the pattern I'm seeing in the schedule we have so far is that we don't have consistent tasks (or they aren't labeled correctly) for each work product (e.g. create content, review content, freeze, generate pot, translate, translation deadline, publish content, etc.) 2) Other questions referring to the indexes or task numbers here: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-and-trans-tasks.html a) What is the deadline for translating the releases notes (26)? Four days seems too short. b) The release notes string freeze did not take place until Oct 17, correct? (25) How does this affect the time needed to translate? c) I thought I saw on docs-list that someone said more time needs to be scheduled for creating the POT file for release notes (24)? How many days should it be? d) There is a string freeze for the Install Guide (31) i) when is the POT created? ii) how long is the translation period? take to translated? e) What are tasks (35) to (38)? "web site" is vague. Thanks, John From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 06:30:09 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:30:09 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> Hi! > > It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they > want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on > permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... Cheers. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Nov 8 23:05:49 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:05:49 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >>> Hi! >> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! > > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" > > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... > > Cheers. > Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 07:01:11 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:01:11 +1000 Subject: possible typo on hosted/install-guide Message-ID: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> Hi, In the "I want to help with the content." section: git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common Should the first one be "git clone git://" The syntax is wrong for ssh anyway... Cheers. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 07:17:50 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:17:50 +1000 Subject: possible typo on hosted/install-guide In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811082317p5826aff9oc60666cb01f4807d@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > > > In the "I want to help with the content." section: > > git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common > > Should the first one be "git clone git://" > > The syntax is wrong for ssh anyway... > > Cheers. > "If you don't have access to this repo, use git:// instead of ssh:// above. " git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git Does this work? Not that I know about git, but I thought it had to be: ssh://[username]@fedorahosted... Cheers. From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 07:20:37 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:20:37 -0500 Subject: possible typo on hosted/install-guide In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226215237.4625.153.camel@ignacio.lan> On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 17:01 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > In the "I want to help with the content." section: > > git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common > > Should the first one be "git clone git://" Actually, the second one should be "ssh://". > The syntax is wrong for ssh anyway... But it's correct for git. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Sun Nov 9 09:14:14 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 14:44:14 +0530 Subject: GNU FDL 1.3 In-Reply-To: <20081104181555.GA24072@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081104181555.GA24072@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4916A9E6.3060907@fedoraproject.org> Paul W. Frields wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/305736/rss > http://www.fsf.org/news/fdl-1.3-pr.html > > How does this affect our licensing stand on the FDL? Recall that the > CC-BY-SA licenses are permissible in Fedora. It doesn't afaik. We don't meet the requirement of a massive collaboration wiki unlike Wikipedia. This is in essence a way out for Wikipedia and not a general relicensing permit. Rahul From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 18:31:57 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:31:57 -0500 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister > wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >>> Hi! > >> > >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they > >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on > >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! > > > > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" > > > > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a > > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... > > > > Cheers. > > > Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there. As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the current web publishing instructions against Publican-built documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what doesn't): http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 18:37:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:37:03 -0500 Subject: possible typo on hosted/install-guide In-Reply-To: <1226215237.4625.153.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <95f1114b0811082301x7c54138aof7d5332802011586@mail.gmail.com> <1226215237.4625.153.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <20081109183703.GG31809@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 02:20:37AM -0500, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams wrote: > On Sun, 2008-11-09 at 17:01 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > > > > > In the "I want to help with the content." section: > > > > git clone ssh://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git > > git clone git://git.fedorahosted.org/git/fedora-doc-utils docs-common > > > > Should the first one be "git clone git://" > > Actually, the second one should be "ssh://". > > > The syntax is wrong for ssh anyway... > > But it's correct for git. (1) ssh:// is fine for git, and equivalent to git+ssh:// protocol. You need to use this protocol if you don't want to have to reset the configuration later to be able to send changes back. (2) Yes, you need ssh://@git.fedorahosted.org... if you don't have your ~/.ssh/config setup to provide this (or don't use the same user name locally as remotely). I'll fix that. (3) The second one should be git:// because there is no reason that someone helping with the document should need write access to the common toolset repo. I wrote these instructions to help prevent careless errors. Again, the configuration in .git/config is editable later if necessary and appropriate. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Why no to use feature in fop config file? -- Artem Zolochevskiy From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 20:46:35 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:46:35 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811091246p375e934cr6447a3faa9f13113@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister >> wrote: >> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> >>> Hi! >> >> >> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they >> >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on >> >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! >> > >> > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" >> > >> > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a >> > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... >> > >> > Cheers. >> > >> Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. > > Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to > http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are > on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there. It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo? > > As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a > publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never got it finished. > current web publishing instructions against Publican-built > documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested > contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what > doesn't): I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html From jfearn at redhat.com Sun Nov 9 21:47:15 2008 From: jfearn at redhat.com (Jeff Fearn) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:47:15 +1000 Subject: why do we need font-metrics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49175A63.9040505@redhat.com> Artem Zolochevskiy wrote: > hi all > > My question is about publiucan. We do we need font-metrics? Is far as I know curren fop version is able to find fonts automatically. Why no to use feature in fop config file? Questions like this should be asked on publican-list https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/publican-list auto-detect wasn't working when we switched to FOP. Cheers, Jeff. -- Jeff Fearn Software Engineer Engineering Operations Red Hat, Inc Freedom ... courage ... Commitment ... ACCOUNTABILITY From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Nov 9 22:15:03 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:15:03 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811091246p375e934cr6447a3faa9f13113@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811091246p375e934cr6447a3faa9f13113@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811091415p6d259671ia907705ca61e8da1@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister >>> wrote: >>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >> >>> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they >>> >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on >>> >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! >>> > >>> > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" >>> > >>> > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a >>> > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... >>> > >>> > Cheers. >>> > >>> Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. >> >> Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to >> http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are >> on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there. > It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo? >> >> As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a >> publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the > I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never > got it finished. >> current web publishing instructions against Publican-built >> documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested >> contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what >> doesn't): > I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html > WOW! I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with publican-created documents. w00t! From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:21:07 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:21:07 +1000 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811091415p6d259671ia907705ca61e8da1@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811091246p375e934cr6447a3faa9f13113@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811091415p6d259671ia907705ca61e8da1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811091721g6c43bb38l8e7124d0bdc0c088@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister > wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister >>>> wrote: >>>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>>> >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >>>> >>> Hi! >>>> >> >>>> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they >>>> >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on >>>> >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! >>>> > >>>> > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" >>>> > >>>> > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a >>>> > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... >>>> > >>>> > Cheers. >>>> > >>>> Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. >>> >>> Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to >>> http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are >>> on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there. >> It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo? >>> >>> As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a >>> publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the >> I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never >> got it finished. >>> current web publishing instructions against Publican-built >>> documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested >>> contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what >>> doesn't): >> I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>> >>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html >> > WOW! > > I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it > works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with > publican-created documents. w00t! > > > the converted html to php does not work in F9...so I will try uploading .html when I get access. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:33:28 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:33:28 +1000 Subject: commit access for docs.fedoraproject.org Message-ID: <95f1114b0811091733t1d169bc3vc9677b2e33961f8c@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What group do I need to join to get commit access to the "web" module from /cvs/fedora? Cheers. From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 01:35:11 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:35:11 +1000 Subject: commit access for docs.fedoraproject.org In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811091733t1d169bc3vc9677b2e33961f8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811091733t1d169bc3vc9677b2e33961f8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811091735w9e9280fqdd95ab87df8de8eb@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > What group do I need to join to get commit access to the "web" module > from /cvs/fedora? > > Cheers. > If it is "cvsfedora", I have applied (username: mdious), but have not been approved yet. From noriko at redhat.com Mon Nov 10 07:47:55 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:47:55 +1000 Subject: how to build release-note Message-ID: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> Hi, I need some help... Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note requires 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally misunderstanding and this is not required at all? I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any error but seems freezing. Any idea? Thank you in advance for your help. --------------------------------------------- [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ ls docs-common release-notes [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ cd release-notes/ [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ ls Makefile Release_Notes-en_US ja xmlbeats Makefile.publican as messages.mo README-Accessibility en_US po README.fedora-release fedora-release-notes.spec scripts [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ make html mkdir -p en_US ( cd /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/common/entities ; make entities-en_US.ent ) #(snip) LANG=as.UTF-8 xmlto html -x /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/xsl/main-html.xsl -o Release_Notes-as as/Release_Notes.xml #(stops here.....forever, no output) noriko From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:20:23 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:20:23 -0500 Subject: how to build release-note In-Reply-To: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> References: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1226319623.23517.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:47 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hi, I need some help... > > Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note > requires > 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally > misunderstanding > and this is not required at all? > > I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. > When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any > error but seems freezing. Any idea? It does require common entities to be translated to get full, correct content. But all the appropriate locales are listed so that this should build properly. If the translator has not translated the common entities, release notes should still build correctly. Doing 'make html' seems to work fine here. Can you 'git clone' the release-notes and fedora-doc-utils (docs-common) repositories in a fresh location and test them there? -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:22:05 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:22:05 -0500 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811091721g6c43bb38l8e7124d0bdc0c088@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811072230v26ef0141m691cdaffd6ed820e@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811081505q5773cafbu5d1865d744949c77@mail.gmail.com> <20081109183157.GF31809@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811091246p375e934cr6447a3faa9f13113@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811091415p6d259671ia907705ca61e8da1@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0811091721g6c43bb38l8e7124d0bdc0c088@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226319725.23517.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 11:21 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Murray McAllister > wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Murray McAllister > > wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 4:31 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>> On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 09:05:49AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Murray McAllister > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>>> >> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 02:02:22PM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >>>> >>> Hi! > >>>> >> > >>>> >> It is, in fact, a wiki, and people can put documentation where they > >>>> >> want to. If you're interested in putting up a mini-HOWTO on > >>>> >> permissions, whether it came from there or not, please feel free! > >>>> > > >>>> > "git clone git://fedorapeople.org/~mdious/permissions/Permissions.git" > >>>> > > >>>> > Can someone please set up a place in git or cvs to store this? It is a > >>>> > bit messy at the moment, but it is all converted... > >>>> > > >>>> > Cheers. > >>>> > > >>>> Let me know if you need this to build with your current tools. > >>> > >>> Cool! You can get a git (or any other SCM) repository by going to > >>> http://fedorahosted.org and requesting one. The full instructions are > >>> on the "New Project" link on the navigation menu there. > >> It's very small once converted. Is a hosted project required for a repo? > >>> > >>> As we move toward having more toolsets available, we should have a > >>> publishing scheme that works with all of them. I haven't tried the > >> I started to get this working with the fedora docs toolchain but never > >> got it finished. > >>> current web publishing instructions against Publican-built > >>> documentation. This seems like an opportunity for some interested > >>> contributor to try out the instructions and see what works (and what > >>> doesn't): > >> I would LOVE to try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >>> > >>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/documentation-guide/en_US/ch-publishing.html > >> > > WOW! > > > > I have not looked through the entire document, but at first glance, it > > works (and still looks the same as if I built locally) with > > publican-created documents. w00t! > > > > > > > the converted html to php does not work in F9...so I will try > uploading .html when I get access. Before you upload anything to the actual docs.fp.o web server, make sure you try it on your local sandbox first. The full instructions for making a local sandbox using Apache are found in the publishing chapter above. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:38:16 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:38:16 -0500 Subject: how to build release-note In-Reply-To: <1226319623.23517.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> <1226319623.23517.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226320696.23517.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 07:20 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:47 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > > Hi, I need some help... > > > > Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note > > requires > > 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally > > misunderstanding > > and this is not required at all? > > > > I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. > > When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any > > error but seems freezing. Any idea? > > It does require common entities to be translated to get full, correct > content. But all the appropriate locales are listed so that this should > build properly. If the translator has not translated the common > entities, release notes should still build correctly. > > Doing 'make html' seems to work fine here. > > Can you 'git clone' the release-notes and fedora-doc-utils (docs-common) > repositories in a fresh location and test them there? Sorry to reply to myself -- docs-common entities are *NOT* required for the Release Notes. They are required for other documents, but there are no entities in the Release Notes being drawn from the common pool. This is because the Release Notes content is created by converting over the beats from the wiki. If translators do not translate the docs-common entities, there will be no harm to release notes. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From fedoratrans at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 13:16:02 2008 From: fedoratrans at gmail.com (Magnus Larsson) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:16:02 -0500 Subject: how to build release-note In-Reply-To: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> References: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> Message-ID: Minor note, I did "make html-sv" instead of just "make html". My language is sv. On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hi, I need some help... > > Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note requires > 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally misunderstanding > and this is not required at all? > > I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. > When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any > error but seems freezing. Any idea? > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > --------------------------------------------- > [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ ls > docs-common release-notes > [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ cd release-notes/ > [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ ls > Makefile Release_Notes-en_US ja xmlbeats > Makefile.publican as messages.mo > README-Accessibility en_US po > README.fedora-release fedora-release-notes.spec scripts > [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ make html > mkdir -p en_US > ( cd > /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/common/entities > ; make entities-en_US.ent ) > #(snip) > LANG=as.UTF-8 xmlto html -x > /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/xsl/main-html.xsl > -o Release_Notes-as as/Release_Notes.xml > #(stops here.....forever, no output) > > > > noriko > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The full instructions for > making a local sandbox using Apache are found in the publishing chapter > above. Yes, but my local sandbox won't have the same versions of php that you have on your site...it works on some of my local sandboxes, but not others ;) It seems I can use .html files, so I'll go with that. Cheers ^_^ From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 01:55:39 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:55:39 -0500 Subject: Release Notes PO update Message-ID: <20081111015539.GA19346@localhost.localdomain> I saw that the Italian (it) Release Notes PO was missing strings compared to the POT. I made a re-merge and committed changes, so there are some fuzzy and untranslated strings that weren't in the file submitted by the Italian team. I figured that the Italian team would want to have these updates because they are always so quick and thorough in translations. There are still a few days left before we have to pick up PO for the final Fedora 10, so I wanted to let people know. There were also some minor changes to "kn" and "nl" but I think they were less overall. Thank you, everyone, for all your hard work on the Release Notes for Fedora 10! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noriko at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 02:38:43 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:38:43 +1000 Subject: how to build release-note In-Reply-To: <1226320696.23517.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> <1226319623.23517.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226320696.23517.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4918F033.1040608@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 07:20 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Mon, 2008-11-10 at 17:47 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >>> Hi, I need some help... >>> >>> Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note >>> requires >>> 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally >>> misunderstanding >>> and this is not required at all? >>> >>> I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. >>> When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any >>> error but seems freezing. Any idea? >> It does require common entities to be translated to get full, correct >> content. But all the appropriate locales are listed so that this should >> build properly. If the translator has not translated the common >> entities, release notes should still build correctly. >> >> Doing 'make html' seems to work fine here. >> >> Can you 'git clone' the release-notes and fedora-doc-utils (docs-common) >> repositories in a fresh location and test them there? Oh... ok I will try. > > Sorry to reply to myself -- docs-common entities are *NOT* required for > the Release Notes. They are required for other documents, but there are > no entities in the Release Notes being drawn from the common pool. This > is because the Release Notes content is created by converting over the > beats from the wiki. If translators do not translate the docs-common > entities, there will be no harm to release notes. Great, thank you for clear answer! noriko > > From noriko at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 02:39:57 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:39:57 +1000 Subject: how to build release-note In-Reply-To: References: <4917E72B.1080202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <4918F07D.4000006@redhat.com> Magnus Larsson ????????: > Minor note, I did "make html-sv" instead of just "make html". My language is > sv. Okay, then I will try 'make html-ja', once I do git clone. Thank you! > > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:47 AM, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >> Hi, I need some help... >> >> Can someone confirm that for first translation of release-note requires >> 'Common enitites' translation as well? Or am I totally misunderstanding >> and this is not required at all? >> >> I have encountered the problme on building release-note as well. >> When running 'make html', it stops forever in the middle without any >> error but seems freezing. Any idea? >> >> Thank you in advance for your help. >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ ls >> docs-common release-notes >> [noriko at noriko git-repo]$ cd release-notes/ >> [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ ls >> Makefile Release_Notes-en_US ja xmlbeats >> Makefile.publican as messages.mo >> README-Accessibility en_US po >> README.fedora-release fedora-release-notes.spec scripts >> [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ make html >> mkdir -p en_US >> ( cd >> /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/common/entities >> ; make entities-en_US.ent ) >> #(snip) >> LANG=as.UTF-8 xmlto html -x >> /NotBackedUp/noriko/cvs/fedora-docs/git-repo/docs-common/xsl/main-html.xsl >> -o Release_Notes-as as/Release_Notes.xml >> #(stops here.....forever, no output) >> >> >> >> noriko >> >> -- >> fedora-docs-list mailing list >> fedora-docs-list at redhat.com >> To unsubscribe: >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list >> > From noriko at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 03:07:13 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:07:13 +1000 Subject: Release Notes PO update In-Reply-To: <20081111015539.GA19346@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081111015539.GA19346@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <4918F6E1.60503@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > I saw that the Italian (it) Release Notes PO was missing strings > compared to the POT. I made a re-merge and committed changes, so > there are some fuzzy and untranslated strings that weren't in the file > submitted by the Italian team. Not sure how it works, so just to confirm. The Italian translator had not submitted his file for few days but submitted last night, probably this might be the reason of missing strings. He has downloaded PO file from DL this morning (09:00am BNE time) and started working. This file was 88% (931/88/37) completion when downloaded. He will submit his translated file this evening. I believe that everything should be fine. [noriko at noriko release-notes]$ po2sgml --report release-notes.master.it.po release-notes.master.it.po: 2626/20671 fuzzy words (12.70%), 17274/20671 translated words (83.57%) total: 2626/20671 fuzzy words (12.70%), 17274/20671 translated words (83.57%) total: 5.25 fuzzy hours, 3.08 untranslated hours, 8.34 remaining hours Thank you for taking care of us all! noriko > > I figured that the Italian team would want to have these updates > because they are always so quick and thorough in translations. There > are still a few days left before we have to pick up PO for the final > Fedora 10, so I wanted to let people know. > > There were also some minor changes to "kn" and "nl" but I think they > were less overall. > > Thank you, everyone, for all your hard work on the Release Notes for > Fedora 10! > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From kwade at redhat.com Tue Nov 11 05:49:33 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:49:33 -0800 Subject: moving content off of the draft wiki In-Reply-To: <4913E919.1080903@redhat.com> References: <95f1114b0811062002n20810872m2dd9af4454f7bbfd@mail.gmail.com> <20081107053755.GB13307@localhost.localdomain> <4913E919.1080903@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081111054932.GF18920@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 05:07:05PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > I think the original posters point was that the docs are hard to > find. And Paul's point is that there is not a paid staff person to take requests from this list and "make it happen, Number One." Myself, I'm *not* going to do stuff like that right now. There has been too much of myself and Paul running around for years doing all the Docs wet work instead of figuring out how to make it easier and cleaner for others to do things. Obviously our methods have had some deep failure, which is one reason we are switching styles. That's why I've been concentrating on enabling other people over doing stuff. Which has hurt this release and caused delays in e.g content to Translation, because we continue to be short handed and not very good at enabling new people to help with the workload. > All of the examples link to a vast swathe of documentation from their > docs links. The fedora docs page looks like this: > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ . There is nothing there by comparison. > There are lots of documents in the Draft document section of the wiki > which are more than up to scratch to go there instead. Can't we just put > all the documents there by default and then cut the docs that aren't good > enough to a "needs work" section or something. There should be no reason > to write a howto in the first place the docs should just be there. > > The real question is there anything to be gained by the present system > over having all our documentation available from the > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/ link. I can't see any real reasons. Have a > look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a > pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in > our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page. If you or anyone else creates a replacement for the docs.fp.org page that links to all that content, I'll put it up straight away. Here's a good place to start drawing from: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Documentation As for the wiki, there are several smart things we can do: 1. Move pages to better names -- CamelCase fails on MediaWiki - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure - discussion on fedora-wiki-list - git clone git+ssh//git.fedoraproject.org/git/wikirename.git - files we want to work on are: docsproject.psv docs.psv 2. Put in *every documentation page* one of these two category links [[Category:Documentation]] -- if it is good enough to call "done for now" [[Category:Draft Documentation]] -- if you want it considered a draft 3. Use other templates such as {{needs love}} for pages that should be fixed so they can be worth linking from other pages Chris -- my major concern right now is not creating more mess and chaos. I want to move fast with a modicum of caution. I really don't think we have any fundamental disagreements, and it's great that you are coming in with a fresh eye that hates the cruft you see around you. Keep engaged, you'll see good changes. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sandeep.shedmake at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 13:08:19 2008 From: sandeep.shedmake at gmail.com (sandeep shedmake) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:38:19 +0530 Subject: [mr] Can't see localize content of f10 release notes for Marathi (mr) locale at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ Message-ID: Hi, http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ doesn't reflect the upstream localizations committed by me ( http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=log is also proper). I hope my locale (mr) is activated. Looking forward for the reply..... Thanks & Regards, Sandeep -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From piotrdrag at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 15:16:57 2008 From: piotrdrag at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgRHLEhWc=?=) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:16:57 +0100 Subject: [mr] Can't see localize content of f10 release notes for Marathi (mr) locale at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> sandeep shedmake pisze: > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ doesn't > reflect the upstream localizations committed by me > (http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=log is > also proper). I hope my locale (mr) is activated. > Your language is activated. HTML documentation at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes is not automatically updated with new content. You just submitted your translation after release-notes were built for Fedora Preview release. Please wait for final release or you can build relnotes by yourself: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_docs.html#sn-translating-with-apps (5. Check Integrity) -- Piotr Dr?g http://raven.pmail.pl From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Tue Nov 11 23:26:08 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:26:08 +1000 Subject: edit request for Fedora 10 SELinux User Guide Message-ID: <95f1114b0811111526m32f8e93cw6464d25c7cb78dfa@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have been working on an SELinux User Guide for Fedora 10 (November 25). My English is very much lacking, so any edits or suggested changes would be most appreciated. Sorry for the late request. I didn't plan for it having to be edited by other people before it could be published without draft watermarks. A draft is here: The last sections, "Troubleshooting", still need a lot of work, and I am continuing to add content, so maybe steer clear of them...The other sections should mostly be complete. Details can be found on . The guide requires Publican[1] as shipped with Fedora 9. It does not work with Fedora 8 or earlier versions. To make changes, either mail clear text to myself at , or: 1. request access to the FAS group "svnselinuxguide" (the name is wrong on the site, so it still says git...Also, I am in Australia/Brisbane time, so if you apply, there might be lag before being approved), 2. if not already installed (rpm -q packagename): yum install subversion publican publican-fedora 4. svn co svn+ssh://fas-username at svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/selinuxguide 5. cd selinuxguide/community/trunk/SELinux_User_Guide/ (files are stored in en_US/) 6. make html-en-US to see your changes. Thanks :) Sorry for any typos in this message. [1] From khashida at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 01:00:48 2008 From: khashida at redhat.com (Kiyoto (James) Hashida) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:00:48 +1000 Subject: Unclear instruction in F10 Release-Notes Message-ID: <491A2AC0.1090304@redhat.com> Hi, Guys, I have come across with one passage that is not clear of its intention. It is the part #: en_US/Fedora_Project.xml:56(para) Kbabel entry #722 as follows: ----------------------------------------------------------------- In order to talk on the #fedora channel, you need to register your nickname, or nick. Instructions are given when you /join the channel. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Nick name should be prepared already before you use the Xchat to join any channel. And the instruction which appears when one joins #fedora is not explaining anything about nickname: See below ------------------------------------------------------------------ -ChanServ- [#fedora] "Any advice you read here is provided by individual community members. You should use it at your OWN RISK. This advice is owned by each individual, and does NOT represent the views of Freenode, Fedora or Red Hat" ------------------------------------------------------------------ I don't really want to translate as it says. Shouldn't it be re-written somehow ? Thanks for your attention, James -- Kiyoto (James) Hashida Technical Translator Red Hat APAC Level 4, 193 North Quay, Brisbane QLD. Australia Phome +61-7-35148288 Mail khashida at redhat.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 01:39:29 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:39:29 -0500 Subject: Unclear instruction in F10 Release-Notes In-Reply-To: <491A2AC0.1090304@redhat.com> References: <491A2AC0.1090304@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081112013929.GF8501@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:00:48AM +1000, Kiyoto (James) Hashida wrote: > Hi, Guys, > I have come across with one passage that is not > clear of its intention. It is the part #: en_US/Fedora_Project.xml:56(para) > Kbabel entry #722 as follows: > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > In order to talk on the #fedora channel, > you need to register your nickname, or nick. > Instructions are given when you /join the channel. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Nick name should be prepared already before you use the Xchat to join > any channel. > And the instruction which appears when one joins #fedora is not > explaining anything > about nickname: See below This statement is now, I believe, no longer correct. Nicks no longer need to be registered to enter the #fedora channel, so we can eliminate this string completely. You can ignore the string, and we'll strip it from the original release notes content. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From khashida at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 01:52:21 2008 From: khashida at redhat.com (Kiyoto (James) Hashida) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:52:21 +1000 Subject: Unclear instruction in F10 Release-Notes In-Reply-To: <20081112013929.GF8501@localhost.localdomain> References: <491A2AC0.1090304@redhat.com> <20081112013929.GF8501@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <491A36D5.4060804@redhat.com> Paul, Thank you for your super-quick response. It is good to know that someone is checking. Cheers, James Paul W. Frields ????????: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:00:48AM +1000, Kiyoto (James) Hashida wrote: > >> Hi, Guys, >> I have come across with one passage that is not >> clear of its intention. It is the part #: en_US/Fedora_Project.xml:56(para) >> Kbabel entry #722 as follows: >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> In order to talk on the #fedora channel, >> you need to register your nickname, or nick. >> Instructions are given when you /join the channel. >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nick name should be prepared already before you use the Xchat to join >> any channel. >> And the instruction which appears when one joins #fedora is not >> explaining anything >> about nickname: See below >> > > This statement is now, I believe, no longer correct. Nicks no longer > need to be registered to enter the #fedora channel, so we can > eliminate this string completely. You can ignore the string, and > we'll strip it from the original release notes content. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list -- Kiyoto (James) Hashida Technical Translator Red Hat APAC Level 4, 193 North Quay, Brisbane QLD. Australia Phome +61-7-35148288 Mail khashida at redhat.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noriko at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 02:13:18 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:13:18 +1000 Subject: Finishing F10 Docs & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <49151D26.5080202@redhat.com> References: <49151D26.5080202@redhat.com> Message-ID: <491A3BBE.1030804@redhat.com> Hi John, John Poelstra ????????: [snip] > e) What are tasks (35) to (38)? "web site" is vague. This is for "Fedora's main website". Web Translation Deadline (PO done for fedoraproject.org) can be found at [64], and this date for F10 has been corrected to 24-Nov by Ricky (was 21-Nov). We may need new entries to be added for F11, such as Web Translatable Sting Freeze and Generate Web POT files for Translation. noriko > > Thanks, > John > From sandeep.shedmake at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 05:07:58 2008 From: sandeep.shedmake at gmail.com (sandeep shedmake) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:37:58 +0530 Subject: [mr] Can't see localize content of f10 release notes for Marathi (mr) locale at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ In-Reply-To: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> References: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Piotr, I checked the integrity of translations and was successful in running 'make html-mr'. Build for relnotes successful! Thanks & Regards, Sandeep On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Piotr Dr?g wrote: > sandeep shedmake pisze: > >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ doesn't >> reflect the upstream localizations committed by me ( >> http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=log is also >> proper). I hope my locale (mr) is activated. >> >> > Your language is activated. HTML documentation at > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes is not automatically updated > with new content. You just submitted your translation after release-notes > were built for Fedora Preview release. Please wait for final release or you > can build relnotes by yourself: > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_docs.html#sn-translating-with-apps > > (5. Check Integrity) > > -- > Piotr Dr?g > http://raven.pmail.pl > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ankit at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 09:50:50 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:20:50 +0530 Subject: Contributors (Localization)! Message-ID: <491AA6FA.5030504@redhat.com> Hi, There are number of languages increased in terms of translations of release notes for Fedora 10 compared to previous Fedora releases. When are we going to update the contributors (Translation) list? It would be better if contributors list gets updated as soon as possible, since tomorrow release-notes will be freezed along with translations I think... Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ankit at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 10:44:55 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:14:55 +0530 Subject: [mr] Can't see localize content of f10 release notes for Marathi (mr) locale at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ In-Reply-To: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> References: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <491AB3A7.4020105@redhat.com> Piotr Dr?g wrote: > sandeep shedmake pisze: >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ >> doesn't reflect the upstream localizations committed by me >> (http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=log is >> also proper). I hope my locale (mr) is activated. >> > > Your language is activated. HTML documentation at > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes is not automatically > updated with new content. You just submitted your translation after > release-notes were built for Fedora Preview release. Please wait for > final release or you can build relnotes by yourself: > It seems Gujarati (gu) and all other languages are built automatically/manually (not sure) on a daily basis. I can see, including Marathi (mr), all languages updated on 11th Nov 12:30 from : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/ This needs to be checked again, if the localized release-notes are built automatically/daily! > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_docs.html#sn-translating-with-apps > > > (5. Check Integrity) > -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From ankit at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 11:43:40 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:13:40 +0530 Subject: [mr] Can't see localize content of f10 release notes for Marathi (mr) locale at http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ In-Reply-To: <5a62cd230811120258v54375619i369c5084f151bc8c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4919A1E9.8000908@gmail.com> <491AB3A7.4020105@redhat.com> <5a62cd230811120258v54375619i369c5084f151bc8c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <491AC16C.1040307@redhat.com> Rajesh Ranjan wrote: > > > 2008/11/12 Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel > > > Piotr Dr?g wrote: > > sandeep shedmake pisze: > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/mr/ > doesn't reflect the upstream localizations committed by me > (http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/?p=docs/release-notes.git;a=log > is also proper). I hope my locale (mr) is activated. > > > Your language is activated. HTML documentation at > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes is not > automatically updated with new content. You just submitted > your translation after release-notes were built for Fedora > Preview release. Please wait for final release or you can > build relnotes by yourself: > > It seems Gujarati (gu) and all other languages are built > automatically/manually (not sure) on a daily basis. I can see, > including Marathi (mr), all languages updated on 11th Nov 12:30 > from : http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10preview/ > > This needs to be checked again, if the localized release-notes are > built automatically/daily! > > > > In this preview, its taking hi_IN as a locale and so no translation is > reflecting here for hi... > > A bug is filed against that one > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471028 > Another issue...! > There is need to correct this problem! > > > > > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/translation-quick-start-guide/en_US/sn_translating_docs.html#sn-translating-with-apps > > > (5. Check Integrity) > > > > -- > Regards, > Ankit Patel > http://www.indianoss.org/ > > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list > > > > > -- > Regards, > Rajesh Ranjan > -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 16:19:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:19:03 -0500 Subject: edit request for Fedora 10 SELinux User Guide In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811111526m32f8e93cw6464d25c7cb78dfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811111526m32f8e93cw6464d25c7cb78dfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1226506743.16526.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 09:26 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > I have been working on an SELinux User Guide for Fedora 10 (November > 25). My English is very much lacking, so any edits or suggested > changes would be most appreciated. Sorry for the late request. I > didn't plan for it having to be edited by other people before it could > be published without draft watermarks. A draft is here: > > > > The last sections, "Troubleshooting", still need a lot of work, and I > am continuing to add content, so maybe steer clear of them...The other > sections should mostly be complete. Details can be found on > . > > The guide requires Publican[1] as shipped with Fedora 9. It does not > work with Fedora 8 or earlier versions. To make changes, either mail > clear text to myself at , or: > > 1. request access to the FAS group "svnselinuxguide" (the name is > wrong on the site, so it still says git...Also, I am in > Australia/Brisbane time, so if you apply, there might be lag before > being approved), > 2. if not already installed (rpm -q packagename): yum install > subversion publican publican-fedora > 4. svn co svn+ssh://fas-username at svn.fedorahosted.org/svn/selinuxguide > 5. cd selinuxguide/community/trunk/SELinux_User_Guide/ (files are > stored in en_US/) > 6. make html-en-US to see your changes. > > Thanks :) Sorry for any typos in this message. Shouldn't there be a statement about the Fedora trademarks in the Trademarks section? I thought that you, Karsten, and I had a long thread with Red Hat Legal where we hashed that bit out. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 18:51:27 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:51:27 -0500 Subject: Rawhide slipstreaming release Message-ID: <1226515887.16027.140.camel@ignacio.lan> There is a page in the wiki[1] that discusses issues upgrading to Fedora 10. One of the sections is about updating a prerelease to the final release. I threw together a very simple document[2] that goes over a few of the details, and I was wondering if someone could look it over and give me suggestions as to how it's unclear or notes on what I forgot before I link to it from the page. Although it's in presentation format, it's not really meant to be presented but rather act as a technical demonstration of the process. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/F10-Early-Release [2] http://ivazquez.fedorapeople.org/files/RawhideSlipstream.pdf -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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See the "Legal Notice" section at the start: Fedora and the Fedora Infinity Design logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Red Hat, Inc., in the U.S. and other countries. Does this look okay? From farrellj at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 20:49:19 2008 From: farrellj at gmail.com (Jason Farrell) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:49:19 -0500 Subject: Rawhide slipstreaming release In-Reply-To: <1226515887.16027.140.camel@ignacio.lan> References: <1226515887.16027.140.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams < ivazqueznet at gmail.com> wrote: > There is a page in the wiki[1] that discusses issues upgrading to Fedora > 10. One of the sections is about updating a prerelease to the final > release. I threw together a very simple document[2] that goes over a few > of the details, and I was wondering if someone could look it over and > give me suggestions as to how it's unclear or notes on what I forgot > before I link to it from the page. Although it's in presentation format, > it's not really meant to be presented but rather act as a technical > demonstration of the process. > Makes sense to me. 1) fedora-release-rawhide -> MirrorManager -> rawhide repos 2) yum update slipstream update 3) fedora-release-stable -> MM -> stable -> stable still "symlinked"/proxied to rawhide 4) GA 5) "symlink broken" and MM -> actual stable repos. 6) fedora-release-rawhide in next rawhide branch -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 12 21:22:59 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:22:59 -0800 Subject: update Fedora README Message-ID: <20081112212259.GA17992@calliope.phig.org> The files readme and readme-live-image that are included in Fedora releases need updates. The main readme needs a serious overhaul. If you are interested, these are rather short documents, but they are needed soon. We need to push out a new POT file to translators by this coming weekend, at the latest. If you've got a few hours between now and Friday, do this: 1. Pick one of these to update, emailing this list to let us know you are working on it. https://fedorahosted.org/readme/ https://fedorahosted.org/readme-live-image/ 2. Get the XML source and checkout of 'fedora-doc-utils', following the directions at the project pages. Alternately, read the latest plain text versions below and rewrite against the plain text. I'll happily insert changes in the XML for you. 3. For the 'readme', it needs updating against the current install tree. You will notice the content is rather old. The last update was Oct. of 2007. Here is a current build: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/f10-README-en_US.txt 4. For the 'readme-live-image', it needs a few updates, such as adding more about USB devices. A latest build is here: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/f10-readme-live-image-en_US.txt Let us know if you can help, - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ivazqueznet at gmail.com Wed Nov 12 21:41:36 2008 From: ivazqueznet at gmail.com (Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:41:36 -0500 Subject: Rawhide slipstreaming release In-Reply-To: References: <1226515887.16027.140.camel@ignacio.lan> Message-ID: <1226526096.16027.144.camel@ignacio.lan> On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 15:49 -0500, Jason Farrell wrote: > Makes sense to me. > > 1) ... I'm not worried about the technical part; I already had releng look at that. I'm more concerned with the presentation. 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In-Reply-To: <491AA6FA.5030504@redhat.com> References: <491AA6FA.5030504@redhat.com> Message-ID: <491B6ED9.3060405@redhat.com> Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel ????????: > Hi, > > There are number of languages > increased in terms of > translations of release notes for Fedora 10 compared to previous Fedora > releases. > > When are we going to update the contributors (Translation) > > list? > It would be better if contributors list gets updated as soon as > possible, since tomorrow release-notes will be freezed along with > translations I think... I can see the ticket created, but no progress. https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes/ticket/34 If it is allowed, each language team coordinator or translator in charge can add their names in this ticket? noriko > > Thanks! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 13 00:48:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:48:19 -0500 Subject: edit request for Fedora 10 SELinux User Guide In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811121241y6897d1a0m31ee84ff43545196@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811111526m32f8e93cw6464d25c7cb78dfa@mail.gmail.com> <1226506743.16526.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> <95f1114b0811121241y6897d1a0m31ee84ff43545196@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081113004819.GC32412@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 06:41:06AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > > Shouldn't there be a statement about the Fedora trademarks in the > > Trademarks section? I thought that you, Karsten, and I had a long > > thread with Red Hat Legal where we hashed that bit out. > > It was in there, until it was fixed in publican. See the "Legal > Notice" section at the start: > > Fedora and the Fedora Infinity Design logo are trademarks or > registered trademarks of Red Hat, Inc., in the U.S. and other > countries. > > Does this look okay? Oops, so sorry for the noise. Somehow I missed that section entirely. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From poelstra at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 01:07:21 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:07:21 -0800 Subject: Finishing F10 Docs & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <491A3BBE.1030804@redhat.com> References: <49151D26.5080202@redhat.com> <491A3BBE.1030804@redhat.com> Message-ID: <491B7DC9.40208@redhat.com> Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Hi John, > > John Poelstra ????????: > [snip] >> e) What are tasks (35) to (38)? "web site" is vague. > > This is for "Fedora's main website". Web Translation Deadline (PO done > for fedoraproject.org) can be found at [64], and this date for F10 has > been corrected to 24-Nov by Ricky (was 21-Nov). > > We may need new entries to be added for F11, such as Web Translatable > Sting Freeze and Generate Web POT files for Translation. > > noriko > Thanks! Yes, this confirmed my hunch that we probably had some more missing tasks :) john From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 02:32:29 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:32:29 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.86025b19b251b0fd6b0e2102183fca48@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by noriko): [Brazilian Portuguese (pt_BR)][[BR]] -Hugo Cisneiros 2006.[[BR]] -Diego B?rigo Zacar?o 2006, 2007, 2008.[[BR]] -Valnir Ferreira Jr. 2006.[[BR]] -Diego B?rigo Zacar?o 2007, 2008.[[BR]] -Licio Fonseca 2007, 2008.[[BR]] -Roberto Bechtlufft 2007.[[BR]] -Davidson Paulo 2007.[[BR]] -Pedro Angelo Medeiros Fonini 2008.[[BR]] -Hugo Cisneiros 2008.[[BR]] -Glaucia Cintra 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [Italian (it)][[BR]] -Francesco Tombolini 2006, 2007, 2008. [[BR]] -Guido Grazioli 2008. [[BR]] -Francesco Valente 2008 [[BR]] [[BR]] [Spanish (es)][[BR]] -Domingo Becker 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [German (de)][[BR]] -Fabian Affolter 2007,2008.[[BR]] -Lukas Brausch 2007.[[BR]] -Severin Heiniger 2007.[[BR]] -Kai Werthwein 2007.[[BR]] -Peter Reuschlein 2007.[[BR]] -Dominik Sandjaja 2008.[[BR]] -Timo Trinks 2008.[[BR]] -Daniela Kugelmann 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [Chinese (Simplified) (zh_CN)][[BR]] -ProgramFan 2007.[[BR]] -Unconscious 2007.[[BR]] -Yu Feng 2007.[[BR]] -Run Du 2008.[[BR]] -Han Guokai 2008.[[BR]] -Leah Liu 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [French (fr)][[BR]] -Alain Portal 2007.[[BR]] -Damien Durand 2006.[[BR]] -Mathieu Schopfer 2008.[[BR]] -Matthieu Rondeau 2008.[[BR]] -Thomas Canniot 2006, 2008.[[BR]] -Pablo Martin-Gomez 2008.[[BR]] -Corina Roe 2008[[BR]] [[BR]] [Japanese (ja)][[BR]] -Tatsuo \"tatz\" Sekine 2005, 2006.[[BR]] -Ryuichi Hyugabaru 2007,2008.[[BR]] -Noriko Mizumoto 2008.[[BR]] -Kiyoto Hashida 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [Russian (ru)][[BR]] -Andrew Martynov 2006, 2008[[BR]] -Vasiliy Korchagin 2008[[BR]] -Gregory Sapunkov 2008[[BR]] -Yulia Poyarkova 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [Chinese (Traditional) (zh_TW)][[BR]] -Terry Chuang 2008.[[BR]] [[BR]] [Korean (ko)][[BR]] -Eun-Ju Kim 2008[[BR]] [[BR]] -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From noriko at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 02:37:57 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:37:57 +1000 Subject: Contributors (Localization)! In-Reply-To: <491B6ED9.3060405@redhat.com> References: <491AA6FA.5030504@redhat.com> <491B6ED9.3060405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <491B9305.9090909@redhat.com> Noriko Mizumoto ????????: > Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel ????????: >> Hi, >> >> There are number of languages >> increased in terms of >> translations of release notes for Fedora 10 compared to previous Fedora >> releases. >> >> When are we going to update the contributors (Translation) >> >> list? >> It would be better if contributors list gets updated as soon as >> possible, since tomorrow release-notes will be freezed along with >> translations I think... > > I can see the ticket created, but no progress. > https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes/ticket/34 > > If it is allowed, each language team coordinator or translator in charge > can add their names in this ticket? I could grab quaid and talk on this matter. Now I added some language translators in the ticket, but they not cover all translators who has been working on F10. Could all release note translators please check and add yourself in the ticket? --------------------------- quaid: hello https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes/ticket/34 quaid: would you like to have all names of translators in this ticket? I can post to f-t-l? noriko: all names in that ticket would be great! noriko: feel free to post to f-trans-l as well, for fixes, additions, etc. quaid: cool~~, thanks noriko From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 05:53:39 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:53:39 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.5967273ba2dd7fc053ca1fae2b1bd53e@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by runab): [Bengali India (bn_IN)] - Kushal Das, 2007 - Runa Bhattacharjee, 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 05:56:32 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:56:32 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.93e529a590f5f849b76141df0695c779@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by rajesh): [Hindi (hi)] * Rajesh Ranjan 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 06:01:03 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:01:03 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.5f837fa23126b607c50b9557aa7be652@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by ifelix): [Tamil (ta_IN)] * Felix 2007, 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 06:07:45 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:07:45 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.dbb545386a835d3528849ae49d17d266@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by anipeter): [Malayalam (ml_IN)][[BR]] * Ani Peter, 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 06:14:19 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:14:19 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.55a6a067c046f6cc71633debb976cf96@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by ifelix): Replying to [comment:6 ifelix]: > [Tamil (ta_IN)] > * Felix 2007, 2008 Previous was wrong one new one is [Tamil (ta)] * Felix 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 06:16:13 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:16:13 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.8a0497278d0820b55fc326faae5135ad@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by anipeter): correcting language code as ml [Malayalam (ml)][[BR]] * Ani Peter, 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 06:42:11 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:42:11 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.c41f5cbae695a5791c60aed14c7a1841@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by ankit): [Gujarati (gu)] - Ankitkumar Patel - 2008, - Sweta Kothari - 2008. [Kannada (kn)] - Shankar Prasad - 2008. [Marathi (mr)] - Sandeep Shedmake - 2008. [Oriya (or)] - Manojkumar Giri - 2008. [Punjabi (pa)] - Amanpreet Singh Aalam - 2006-2007, - Jaswinder Singh - 2008. [Telugu (te)] - Krishnababu Krothapalli - 2008. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 10:15:43 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:15:43 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.786e5f6abc3a718e5ff8df541c5f0944@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by xconde): Replying to [ticket:34 quaid]: > We need to contact all represented languages and get a list of who worked on the translation. > > Then we need to update Colophon.xml, preferably in advance of the final PO merges in. Catalan: * [Catalan (ca)] Xavier Conde Pere Argelich Josep M? Brunetti Fernando Villa Oriol Miro Xavier Queralt Alfred Fraile Nat?lia Girabet Albert Felip Agust? Grau Jordi Mas -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 10:18:52 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:18:52 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.eb0f226c5d59eecbc3344b5a95498a5b@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by xconde): Replying to [comment:11[[BR]] xconde]: > Replying to [ticket:34 quaid]: > > We need to contact all represented languages and get a list of who worked on the translation. > > > > Then we need to update Colophon.xml, preferably in advance of the final PO merges in. > > Catalan: > [Catalan (ca)] [[BR]] Xavier Conde[[BR]] Pere Argelich[[BR]] Josep M? Brunetti[[BR]] Fernando Villa[[BR]] Oriol Mir?[[BR]] Xavier Queralt[[BR]] Alfred Fraile[[BR]] Nat?lia Girabet[[BR]] Albert Felip[[BR]] Agust? Grau[[BR]] Jordi Mas[[BR]] -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 11:28:43 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:28:43 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.e769f8aa7e161d517f3aa220695c4f0a@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by beckerde): > [Spanish (es)][[BR]] > -Domingo Becker 2008.[[BR]] [Spanish (es)][[BR]] - Domingo Becker 2006, 2007, 2008.[[BR]] - Juan M. Rodriguez 2008.[[BR]] -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 11:36:39 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:36:39 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.6912620e47fbbfd6fa04e4823b7f8024@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by warrink): Dutch (nl) Geert Warrink -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 19:06:26 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:06:26 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.0557534eddb1a40f5857b1be6404c76a@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by runab): Replying to [comment:4 runab]: > [Bengali India (bn_IN)] > - Kushal Das, 2007 > - Runa Bhattacharjee, 2008 Another contributor for bn_IN. Final list: [Bengali India (bn_IN)] - Kushal Das, 2007 - Prosenjit Biswas, 2007 - Runa Bhattacharjee, 2008 -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 20:58:22 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:58:22 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.a108a5da9086396c6087ba45eb14d4c7@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by bouska): Replying to [comment:3 noriko]: > [French (fr)][[BR]] > -Alain Portal 2007.[[BR]] > -Damien Durand 2006.[[BR]] > -Mathieu Schopfer 2008.[[BR]] > -Matthieu Rondeau 2008.[[BR]] > -Thomas Canniot 2006, 2008.[[BR]] > -Pablo Martin-Gomez 2008.[[BR]] > -Corina Roe 2008[[BR]] > [[BR]] Great, but "Micha?l Ughetto 2008", "Robert-Andr? Mauchin 2008" and "Florent Le Coz 2008" are missing. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From release-notes at fedorahosted.org Thu Nov 13 21:48:31 2008 From: release-notes at fedorahosted.org (Fedora Release Notes) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:48:31 -0000 Subject: #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams In-Reply-To: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> References: <056.7e80875c6bd7637f4d005ab2f58e32a6@fedorahosted.org> Message-ID: <065.f832d068d14fdf4e7cc608a20c10062b@fedorahosted.org> #34: Colophon updates from L10n teams ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Reporter: quaid | Owner: quaid Type: task | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: RC-ready Component: Content | Version: Resolution: | Keywords: ----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Comment (by raven): [Polish (pl)] Pawel Sadowski 2006. Piotr Dr?g 2007, 2008. -- Ticket URL: Fedora Release Notes Fedora Release Notes From vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi Fri Nov 14 17:39:35 2008 From: vpivaini at cs.helsinki.fi (Ville-Pekka Vainio) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:39:35 +0200 Subject: No Finnish translation of Release Notes this time - LINGUAS change Message-ID: <200811141939.36878.vpivaini@cs.helsinki.fi> Hi all, I have just commented out fi from the LINGUAS file in release-notes git. From F7 to F9 I did the release notes translations by myself, but for F10 I just didn't have the time to do all that work. I wasn't able to get any others from the Finnish community to do the translations either, which wasn't really that surprising since translating about a thousand messages is quite an effort and there's only a few of us interested in translations anyway. As a result, fi.po is currently 13% translated, it's probably not worth publishing at all. The readmes and about-fedora are (almost) completely translated, those could be published. I hope we'll be able to provide release-notes translations again for F11 :) -- Ville-Pekka Vainio From stickster at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 21:56:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:56:17 -0500 Subject: Release notes Message-ID: <20081114215617.GB7589@localhost.localdomain> I will try and build the release notes package after I get home from travel tonight, or tomorrow morning, if that's OK. Sorry I've been scarce, life has been busy for me visiting the office in Raleigh the last day and a half! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:57:34 -0500 Subject: POT/PO update - DO NOT PANIC Message-ID: <20081115215734.GA12600@localhost.localdomain> When I added entries to the colophon, it introduced changes into the POT and PO files. This is expected, and nothing to worry about. Translators, do not worry just because your module display now looks incomplete (or more incomplete). The changes were only names for the colophon section and therefore translation is not vital for the official F10 release. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jonstanley at gmail.com Sun Nov 16 03:55:39 2008 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:55:39 -0500 Subject: Changes to 'f10' In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811151855u6460d82cq9288f157128ace6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081115193608.BD161C046B@lists.fedorahosted.org> <95f1114b0811151855u6460d82cq9288f157128ace6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hmm? I thought the same thing :). Looking at the mail headers, it looks like Paul made a branch called 'f10' in the release notes but didn't do anything with it. 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Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:45:27 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes Message-ID: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> My time is shorter this week than expected thanks to requirements of press inquiries, interviews, and communications writing. I would really appreciate it if we had some folks to help get a couple of the really important release notes bugs fixed -- particularly bits of text to address Flash. I *can* help with the POT and PO generation and updates once that's done. Need a good wordsmith to write a piece of text, even if it's just on the wiki, and to get a couple smart folks from #fedora-devel to sign off on it. Heck, I'll even DocBook-ize it for you! Reply on-list and not to my private email, please. (That'll draw the lurkers out...) ;-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 01:47:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:47:41 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes In-Reply-To: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 20:45 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > My time is shorter this week than expected thanks to requirements of > press inquiries, interviews, and communications writing. I would really > appreciate it if we had some folks to help get a couple of the really > important release notes bugs fixed -- particularly bits of text to > address Flash. > > I *can* help with the POT and PO generation and updates once that's > done. Need a good wordsmith to write a piece of text, even if it's just > on the wiki, and to get a couple smart folks from #fedora-devel to sign > off on it. Heck, I'll even DocBook-ize it for you! > > Reply on-list and not to my private email, please. (That'll draw the > lurkers out...) ;-) Oops, I forgot to mention -- we need this pretty soon, like in the next 48 hours, so we can send the changes to Translation for last-minute work before our zero-day update. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Tue Nov 18 02:09:36 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:09:36 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> I'd be happy to grok some prose, and I have cycles available over the next 48, but I'm afraid I'm not all that up on what is happening with flash. --McD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "Fedora Documentation Project" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: Re: release notes bug fixes > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list From ankit at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 08:38:14 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:08:14 +0530 Subject: Should locale 'mr' be added manually to LINGUAS wrt module: [fedora-web.test.git]/fedoraproject.org/po/ In-Reply-To: <20081117092245.GB1177@sphe.res.cmu.edu> References: <20081117092245.GB1177@sphe.res.cmu.edu> Message-ID: <49227EF6.6010401@redhat.com> Ricky Zhou wrote: > On 2008-11-17 01:31:01 PM, sandeep shedmake wrote: > >> Should locale 'mr' be added manually to LINGUAS wrt module >> fedora-web.test.git]/fedoraproject.org/po / ? If yes, can i append it myself >> > Yes, if you want to see it up at the test site: > http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/. If you don't add it, it's not a > problem, as I will be going through and updating the file myself before > the F10 website launch. > > Thanks, > Ricky > Hi Ricky, Does this mean that adding "language_code" to LINGUAS directly will reflect the translations directly/automatically on http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ ? If not, what's the process to get the translated pages reflected automatically on the publictest url. This would be helpful in reviewing the translations, before they go live actually! Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From ricky at fedoraproject.org Tue Nov 18 09:14:25 2008 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:14:25 -0500 Subject: Should locale 'mr' be added manually to LINGUAS wrt module: [fedora-web.test.git]/fedoraproject.org/po/ In-Reply-To: <49227EF6.6010401@redhat.com> References: <20081117092245.GB1177@sphe.res.cmu.edu> <49227EF6.6010401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081118091425.GM1177@sphe.res.cmu.edu> On 2008-11-18 02:08:14 PM, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > Does this mean that adding "language_code" to LINGUAS directly will > reflect the translations directly/automatically on > http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/ ? The best way would probably be to add it to LINGUAS and ping me about it as well, since it requires a change to the apache configs as well. I just added all of the current languages to the apache configs, so you don't need to ping me for those - just add them to LINGUAS and it should show up in about 15 minutes. Thanks, Ricky -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 12:47:18 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:47:18 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes In-Reply-To: <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> Message-ID: <1227012438.12514.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 21:09 -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > I'd be happy to grok some prose, and I have cycles available over the next > 48, but I'm afraid I'm not all that up on what is happening with flash. I think the bug is in Bugzilla. You could do a search for release-notes bugs, or just go here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471793 -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is what is on my mind to tell about: * Release notes -- nearly 20 languages complete or significantly near Here are any blockers I want to hear about from other groups: * Any crucial information for the release notes? http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-October/msg00075.html -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You may recall, this is where various groups get > together to make sure the way is clear for the next stage of release. > > Here is what is on my mind to tell about: ... and here is what I meant to add instead of send early by mistake. ;) > * Release notes -- nearly 20 languages complete or significantly near * fedora-release-notes package all ready * No issues with zero-day web update, will release a new f-r-n at the same time(?) * Need to find someone in Docs to help Nigel work the whimsical release announcement - Talking points are ready * ??? > Here are any blockers I want to hear about from other groups: > > * Any crucial information for the release notes? * Has everyone reviewed the entire or relevant-to-them portion of the release notes? * ??? Minutes from the last meeting: > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-October/msg00075.html - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 00:47:20 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:47:20 -0800 Subject: release notes bug fixes In-Reply-To: <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> Message-ID: <20081119004719.GU16296@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 09:09:36PM -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > I'd be happy to grok some prose, and I have cycles available over the next > 48, but I'm afraid I'm not all that up on what is happening with flash. > > --McD Saw that you jumped on that bug and did a full test of the scenario. Thank you! That is exactly what had me daunted, not having the time to get my hands around actually trying it out ... especially hard on a non-64-bit system. Let us know if you have any trouble getting a technical edit/sign-off. Because this is a bug note against us, we'll have to invite the subject matter experts to render an opinion on the prose. :) - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adam at physco.com Wed Nov 19 01:04:16 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:04:16 -0500 Subject: Final release planning meeting In-Reply-To: <20081119004427.GT16296@calliope.phig.org> References: <20081119003936.GS16296@calliope.phig.org> <20081119004427.GT16296@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1227056656.5261.0.camel@Q> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 16:44 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > * Need to find someone in Docs to help Nigel work the whimsical > release announcement > - Talking points are ready Do we have the talking points? Same as the preview release? - Adam From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 02:19:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:19:26 -0500 Subject: Final release planning meeting In-Reply-To: <1227056656.5261.0.camel@Q> References: <20081119003936.GS16296@calliope.phig.org> <20081119004427.GT16296@calliope.phig.org> <1227056656.5261.0.camel@Q> Message-ID: <1227061166.26714.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 20:04 -0500, Adam D. Ligas wrote: > On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 16:44 -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > * Need to find someone in Docs to help Nigel work the whimsical > > release announcement > > - Talking points are ready > > Do we have the talking points? Same as the preview release? More or less -- you can find the current talking points here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talking_points_for_F10 -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 03:16:13 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:16:13 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes In-Reply-To: <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> Message-ID: <1227064573.26714.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 21:09 -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > I'd be happy to grok some prose, and I have cycles available over the next > 48, but I'm afraid I'm not all that up on what is happening with flash. I also saw that you've done some work in that bug, great progress. When you arrive at some text, I suggest a quick wiki page, nothing fancy. We can then direct a few developers to read and edit the text for inclusion into the zero-day update of the release notes. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From sradvan at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 04:00:14 2008 From: sradvan at redhat.com (Scott Radvan) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:00:14 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction Message-ID: <1227067214.2960.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Hi all, Just introducing myself, hoping to help you guys out on the Fedora install guide! I am a new Content Author at Red Hat here in Brisbane, Australia. I have worked with technical documentation before as a sysadmin, as a proof-reader for open source projects/documentation and lots of assorted work online eg. with wikis. My computing experience stretches back a long way and I hold skills in networking, wireless, Linux/Unix, PC/Server hardware, etc. I would love to be able to bring to the Fedora team a desire to be a part of a group which provides real-world and actual benefits to the people using Fedora, and an accurate and reliable source of information for those looking to work with it. Some random other interests: o My guitars o Indian food o Guinness o Shiny toys So, hi all! I appreciate this opportunity very much. -- Scott Radvan Engineering Content Services ?Red Hat Asia Pacific sradvan at redhat.com From wb8rcr at arrl.net Wed Nov 19 04:41:33 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:41:33 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> <1227064573.26714.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <6EFC4CC5D957486D967CABB96D4E7E7A@Aidan> Not much joy on the X86_64 so far. After several attempts, including a clean install of F10 preview from rawhide, following Scott Robbins example of install flash plugin to a clean Firefox then installing nspluginwrapper.i386 (X86_64 is installed at the start), still no sound. There is no libflashsupport so that isn't it. Same hardware 32 bit sound and video is fine. Also, other apps have sound on X86_64. If no other bright ideas next plan is to remove the 64 bit wrapper, install flash, then install both wrappers. Oh yeah, the other uh-oh is I don't seem to have much luck installing flash-plugin by opening it with PackageKit from Firefox. Either have to install the Adobe yum repo and do a yum install or save the rpm and do an rpm install. Neither is likely to be the newbie's first try. Off to bed for now, I'll hit it again in the morning. Perhaps something will smack me in the head overnight! --McD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "John J. McDonough" ; "For participants of the Documentation Project" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: release notes bug fixes From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 07:16:04 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:16:04 -0800 Subject: Self-Introduction In-Reply-To: <1227067214.2960.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227067214.2960.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081119071604.GC21540@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 02:00:14PM +1000, Scott Radvan wrote: > Hi all, > > > Just introducing myself, hoping to help you guys out on the Fedora > install guide! > > I am a new Content Author at Red Hat here in Brisbane, Australia. > > I have worked with technical documentation before as a sysadmin, as a > proof-reader for open source projects/documentation and lots of assorted > work online eg. with wikis. > > My computing experience stretches back a long way and I hold skills in > networking, wireless, Linux/Unix, PC/Server hardware, etc. > > I would love to be able to bring to the Fedora team a desire to be a > part of a group which provides real-world and actual benefits to the > people using Fedora, and an accurate and reliable source of information > for those looking to work with it. Hi, Scott, sounds great. Your interest and skills fit right in here. For the Installation Guide, you'll need to join this group: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/gitinstall-guide ... and look here for the current work load: https://fedorahosted.org/install-guide/ https://fedorahosted.org/install-guide/report > o My guitars > o Indian food > o Guinness > o Shiny toys Aye, fine, fine pursuits, all of them. ;-D - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 19 13:18:18 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:18:18 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes In-Reply-To: <6EFC4CC5D957486D967CABB96D4E7E7A@Aidan> References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> <1227064573.26714.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6EFC4CC5D957486D967CABB96D4E7E7A@Aidan> Message-ID: <1227100698.25976.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 23:41 -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > Not much joy on the X86_64 so far. After several attempts, including a > clean install of F10 preview from rawhide, following Scott Robbins example > of install flash plugin to a clean Firefox then installing > nspluginwrapper.i386 (X86_64 is installed at the start), still no sound. > > There is no libflashsupport so that isn't it. > > Same hardware 32 bit sound and video is fine. Also, other apps have sound > on X86_64. > > If no other bright ideas next plan is to remove the 64 bit wrapper, install > flash, then install both wrappers. > > Oh yeah, the other uh-oh is I don't seem to have much luck installing > flash-plugin by opening it with PackageKit from Firefox. Either have to > install the Adobe yum repo and do a yum install or save the rpm and do an > rpm install. Neither is likely to be the newbie's first try. > > Off to bed for now, I'll hit it again in the morning. Perhaps something > will smack me in the head overnight! Flash sound works for me by doing the following on x86_64: # Configure Adobe yum repo yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.i386 \ alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i386 -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Wed Nov 19 13:29:00 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:29:00 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> <1227064573.26714.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> <6EFC4CC5D957486D967CABB96D4E7E7A@Aidan> <1227100698.25976.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <935B1E6B20A1422FA076A655DA44129E@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "John J. McDonough" Cc: "For participants of the Documentation Project" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: release notes bug fixes > yum install flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.i386 \ > alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i386 Ahhh, I avoided the alsa stuff, let me try that. I tried about everything else I could think of this morning. Right now waiting for one of those endless filesystem checks. --McD From wb8rcr at arrl.net Wed Nov 19 14:38:13 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:38:13 -0500 Subject: release notes bug fixes References: <1226972727.23444.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1226972861.23444.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> <32724A7CF5944F80B16E0AA58F5E10DA@Aidan> <1227064573.26714.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <7111C6774D4E441C938D49AAEB780DDC@Aidan> For some reason the email from bugzilla seems to be taking its time. There is strawman prose at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jjmcd/Drafts/Flash --McD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "John J. McDonough" ; "For participants of the Documentation Project" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 10:16 PM Subject: Re: release notes bug fixes From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 19 15:52:22 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:52:22 -0800 Subject: Intro to Leo Albert Jackson Jr In-Reply-To: <407243.30231.qm@web84308.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <407243.30231.qm@web84308.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081119155221.GD21540@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:28:36AM -0800, Leo Jackson wrote: > My name Leo Albert Jackson Jr > > I live in Scranton Pa > > I want to help in Docs to make a clear information base for all to > know about fedora it's projects, packages, and web sites. I believe > everything should be documented to the fullest for ease to > understand. I have created tech documents for software I created. I > like writing and documenting new projects, pages, wiki, web apps, > just about anything. Wow, man, that's ambitious. Cool. Sounds as if you mostly want to work via the wiki? Around and after the Fedora 10 release, that is one place we need a lot of attention. Let me point you to a useful page to learn about wiki gardening: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wiki_gardening So, for example, the [[Help:Wiki structure]] page explains how articles are structured, page naming, etc. The [[DocsProject/StyleGuide]] talks about writing styles for Docs content. cheers - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed by anonymous user 192.168.1.25] Message-ID: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> The message from MediaWiki below tells me that we need to get the F10 release notes beats moved away to Archive: somewhere. This is a task that could be performed by absolutely any reader of this list without any prior documentation knowledge. Simply rename pages like this: Docs/Beats/Devel --> Archive:F10_release_notes_beats_devel If anyone has better names in mind, suggestions welcome! 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Summary: Mozilla Thunderbird crashes - Fedora 9 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471350 Summary: Mozilla Thunderbird crashes - Fedora 9 Product: Fedora Hosted Projects Version: unspecified Platform: i386 OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: high Priority: medium Component: Deployment_Guide AssignedTo: mhideo at redhat.com ReportedBy: usaywot at gmail.com QAContact: rlerch at redhat.com CC: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Classification: Fedora Created an attachment (id=323423) --> (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=323423) The prodcut of multiple crashes Description of problem: Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): How reproducible:very Steps to Reproduce: 1.Open Thunderbird eMail Client 2.Configure Thunderbird 3.send mail 4. CRASH ! Actual results:the programme locks then crashes, or just crashes Expected results:the mail is sent by the client Additional info: -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 20:39:03 2008 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:39:03 -0500 Subject: [Bug 471350] Mozilla Thunderbird crashes - Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811132039.mADKd3W0001393@bz-web1.app.phx.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471350 Ryan Lerch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Version|unspecified |9 CC| |gecko-bugs-nobody at fedorapro | |ject.org Component|Deployment_Guide |thunderbird AssignedTo|mhideo at redhat.com |gecko-bugs-nobody at fedorapro | |ject.org QAContact|rlerch at redhat.com |extras-qa at fedoraproject.org Product|Fedora Hosted Projects |Fedora -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Thu Nov 13 20:41:18 2008 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:41:18 -0500 Subject: [Bug 471350] Mozilla Thunderbird crashes - Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811132041.mADKfIed002025@bz-web1.app.phx.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471350 Ryan Lerch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |rlerch at redhat.com --- Comment #1 from Ryan Lerch 2008-11-13 15:41:18 EDT --- This was initially filed against the Fedora Deployment Guide. I have changed this now to the the Thunderbird component. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Fri Nov 14 17:06:42 2008 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:06:42 -0500 Subject: [Bug 471350] Mozilla Thunderbird crashes - Fedora 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811141706.mAEH6g4o029303@bz-web2.app.phx.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=471350 Matej Cepl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flag| |needinfo?(usaywot at gmail.com | |) --- Comment #2 from Matej Cepl 2008-11-14 12:06:41 EDT --- Thanks for the bug report. We have reviewed the information you have provided above, and there is some additional information we require that will be helpful in our diagnosis of this issue. First of all, please upgrade to the latest updates of Fedora 9 and try to reproduce. If you can reproduce this with the latest package from the Fedora upgrades, please provide us with the following information. Could we get output of the command rpm -qa *xulrun* *firefox* *mozilla* *flash* *plugin* Please also install firefox-debuginfo (debuginfo-install is from yum-utils package). debuginfo-install firefox Then run firefox with a parameter -g. That will start firefox running inside of gdb debugger. Then use command run and do whatever you did to make firefox crash. When it happens, you should go back to the gdb and run (gdb) thread apply all backtrace This produces usually many screens of the text. Copy all of them into a text editor and attach the file to the bug as an uncompressed attachment. We will review this issue again once you've had a chance to attach this information. Thanks in advance. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 19:09:41 2008 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Bug 472101] smolt info has incorrect URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200811181909.mAIJ9fvU022273@bz-web1.app.phx.redhat.com> Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472101 Tom Mitchell changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|smolt info has incorrect |smolt info has incorrect |UTL |URL -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From bugzilla at redhat.com Tue Nov 18 19:09:03 2008 From: bugzilla at redhat.com (bugzilla at redhat.com) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:09:03 -0500 Subject: [Bug 472101] New: smolt info has incorrect UTL Message-ID: Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: smolt info has incorrect UTL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472101 Summary: smolt info has incorrect UTL Product: Fedora Hosted Projects Version: unspecified Platform: noarch OS/Version: Linux Status: NEW Severity: medium Priority: medium Component: Deployment_Guide AssignedTo: mhideo at redhat.com ReportedBy: rhbugzilla at niftyegg.com QAContact: rlerch at redhat.com CC: fedora-docs-list at redhat.com Classification: Fedora User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.2) Gecko/2008092318 Fedora/3.0.2-1.fc9 Firefox/3.0.2 RPM -qi returns a bad URL. The correct one is: https://fedorahosted.org/smolt/ http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt Reproducible: Always Steps to Reproduce: 1.rpm -qi smolt 2.yum info smolt 3. read it and attempt to follow the URL Actual Results: This project either does not exists or does not have a trac instance Name : smolt Arch : noarch Version : 1.1.1.1 Release : 4.fc9 Size : 687 k Repo : installed Summary : Fedora hardware profiler URL : http://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/smolt License : GPL Description: The Fedora hardware profiler is a server-client system that does a : hardware scan against a machine and sends the results to a public : Fedora Project turbogears server. The sends are anonymous and : should not contain any private information other than the physical : hardware information and basic OS info. This package contains the : client -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug. From kwade at redhat.com Thu Nov 20 17:29:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:29:34 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed by anonymous user 192.168.1.25] In-Reply-To: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081120172934.GA14764@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:30:40PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > The message from MediaWiki below tells me that we need to get the F10 > release notes beats moved away to Archive: somewhere. I don't get the connection? > This is a task that could be performed by absolutely any reader of this > list without any prior documentation knowledge. Simply rename pages > like this: > > Docs/Beats/Devel --> Archive:F10_release_notes_beats_devel > > If anyone has better names in mind, suggestions welcome! Well .. if the goal is to archive the actual content by relese, yes. Otherwise, we have been archiving pages under the old name, to make it easier to find. E.g. Archive:Docs/Beats/Devel. In the past we have simply wiped all the beats content from the page, relying upon the source in XML instead. Is there a reason to archive the beats-per-release? Obversely, is there a reason *not* to? /me ... simply not sure - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Thu Nov 20 17:51:46 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:51:46 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed byanonymous user 192.168.1.25] References: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081120172934.GA14764@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <53C42994DEC14F4C97BE5B2F1F0D38DD@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" To: Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed byanonymous user 192.168.1.25] > Is there a reason to archive the beats-per-release? For a new beat writer, being able to view the previous release's beats would be a big win. Even for someone who wrote the previous release notes, reviewing what happened six months ago could be handy. --McD From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:03:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:03:03 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed byanonymous user 192.168.1.25] In-Reply-To: <53C42994DEC14F4C97BE5B2F1F0D38DD@Aidan> References: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081120172934.GA14764@calliope.phig.org> <53C42994DEC14F4C97BE5B2F1F0D38DD@Aidan> Message-ID: <20081120180303.GC22940@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:51:46PM -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > >> Is there a reason to archive the beats-per-release? > > For a new beat writer, being able to view the previous release's beats > would be a big win. Even for someone who wrote the previous release > notes, reviewing what happened six months ago could be handy. No doubt the Archive: pages would be easier than going through page histories. No problem here if we want to move using a hierarchy of some kind, I just didn't want to ignore page naming guidelines. On the other hand, Archive: isn't searched by default so renaming may be irrelevant. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even for someone who wrote the previous release > > notes, reviewing what happened six months ago could be handy. > > No doubt the Archive: pages would be easier than going through page > histories. No problem here if we want to move using a hierarchy of > some kind, I just didn't want to ignore page naming guidelines. On > the other hand, Archive: isn't searched by default so renaming may be > irrelevant. That was why we thought not to bother renaming to Archive; esp. since archiving is usually just per page rather than tracking a history. In this case, if having the full history per release is useful to writers, then it does make sense to rename following a common scheme: Docs/Beats/Devel for F10 => Archive:Devel_beat_F10 or => Archive:Relnotes-Devel_beat_F10 Not sure ... since 'beat' is used by >1 group now (as it should!), do we want to start identifying the release notes beats separately? - Karsten, who can turn any simple task hard -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:36:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Fwd: FedoraProject page FUDCon/FUDConF11 has been changed byanonymous user 192.168.1.25] In-Reply-To: <20081120182204.GB14764@calliope.phig.org> References: <1227155440.25469.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20081120172934.GA14764@calliope.phig.org> <53C42994DEC14F4C97BE5B2F1F0D38DD@Aidan> <20081120180303.GC22940@localhost.localdomain> <20081120182204.GB14764@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <20081120183617.GC25126@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 10:22:04AM -0800, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 01:03:03PM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 12:51:46PM -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > > >> Is there a reason to archive the beats-per-release? > > > > > > For a new beat writer, being able to view the previous release's beats > > > would be a big win. Even for someone who wrote the previous release > > > notes, reviewing what happened six months ago could be handy. > > > > No doubt the Archive: pages would be easier than going through page > > histories. No problem here if we want to move using a hierarchy of > > some kind, I just didn't want to ignore page naming guidelines. On > > the other hand, Archive: isn't searched by default so renaming may be > > irrelevant. > > That was why we thought not to bother renaming to Archive; esp. since > archiving is usually just per page rather than tracking a history. > > In this case, if having the full history per release is useful to > writers, then it does make sense to rename following a common scheme: > > Docs/Beats/Devel for F10 => Archive:Devel_beat_F10 > or => Archive:Relnotes-Devel_beat_F10 > > Not sure ... since 'beat' is used by >1 group now (as it should!), do > we want to start identifying the release notes beats separately? Yes, but I would use full words to improve search results, since "relnotes" is a jargon thing. "Archive:F10_Release_notes_Devel_beat" Note all underscores, since I'm pretty sure that hyphens have a deleterious effect on searching. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From adam at physco.com Thu Nov 20 18:41:11 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:41:11 -0500 Subject: BFO Report: Adobe Reader Plugin on F10 x64 Message-ID: <1227206471.2879.1.camel@Q> Hey folks! I saw this on the Fedora Test list. Kicking it over here because it seems like a better place to have this conversation and make a decision. - Adam -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Christopher A. Williams > Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: BFO Report: Adobe Reader Plugin on F10 x64 > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:19:56 -0700 > > In all of the excitement about the 64-bit Alpha of the Flash Plugin, I > just noticed that you still need both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of > nspluginwrapper installed on your F10 x64 system if you want Adobe > Reader plugin to work in 64-bit Firefox. > > This should probably get added to the release notes - I didn't see it in > there at all. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > ====================== > "If we don't succeed, > we run the risk of failure." > > -- Former President Bill Clinton > From adam at physco.com Thu Nov 20 18:42:05 2008 From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:42:05 -0500 Subject: Keyboard Mapping: VMware Workstation 6.5 on F10 Message-ID: <1227206525.2879.3.camel@Q> Hey folks! I found another one on the Fedora Test list. Same deal - kicking it over here because it seems like a better place to have this conversation and make a decision. - Adam -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Christopher A. Williams > Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > Subject: Keyboard Mapping: VMware Workstation 6.5 on F10 > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:29 -0700 > > There's now a KB from VMware that fixes the keyboard mapping issue that > Workstation 6.5 has on F10 (and other new distros). Should we consider > adding it to the F10 release notes or some other easily accessible > place? > > Here's the KB article info: > Title: Linux Hosts That Use the evdev Driver for Keyboards Do Not Map > Keys Correctly in Any Guest > > KB Article ID: 1007439 > Date Last Modified: 11-10-2008 > > URL: > http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=1007439&sliceId=1&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&dialogID=4746995&stateId=1%200%204754020 > > Cheers, > > Chris > > > -- > ================================== > By all means marry; > If you get a good wife, you'll be happy. > If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher. > > --Socrates > From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:59:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:59:10 -0500 Subject: Keyboard Mapping: VMware Workstation 6.5 on F10 In-Reply-To: <1227206525.2879.3.camel@Q> References: <1227206525.2879.3.camel@Q> Message-ID: <20081120185910.GD25126@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 01:42:05PM -0500, Adam D. Ligas wrote: > Hey folks! > > I found another one on the Fedora Test list. Same deal - kicking it > over here because it seems like a better place to have this conversation > and make a decision. I'm not sure what our practice has been on this kind of issue -- isn't this a VMWare bug, as opposed to Fedora? But it could be referenced from the common bugs page. Please feel free to add it, as the wiki is open to everyone to participate. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F10_bugs Paul > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > From: Christopher A. Williams > > Reply-To: For testers of Fedora Core development releases > > > > To: fedora-test-list at redhat.com > > Subject: Keyboard Mapping: VMware Workstation 6.5 on F10 > > Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:32:29 -0700 > > > > There's now a KB from VMware that fixes the keyboard mapping issue that > > Workstation 6.5 has on F10 (and other new distros). Should we consider > > adding it to the F10 release notes or some other easily accessible > > place? > > > > Here's the KB article info: > > Title: Linux Hosts That Use the evdev Driver for Keyboards Do Not Map > > Keys Correctly in Any Guest > > > > KB Article ID: 1007439 > > Date Last Modified: 11-10-2008 > > > > URL: > > http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=1007439&sliceId=1&docTypeID=DT_KB_1_1&dialogID=4746995&stateId=1%200%204754020 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I made the permanent switch back to Fedora and > open source software at the begin of this year after having Vista eat > my computer and using a variety of open source tools to recover data > and do my job that closed source tools couldn't do. By day I'm a > security engineer, using Fedora in a Windows environment and just had > to have tools that are reliable. I admit I still use XP running in > VMware, but that is more for Visio than anything else. > > This is the first time I have ever joined an open source project in > any way at all. Usually, I'd just download my software, use it and not > give back. I figure it's time to change things and start contributing > to a product I love and recommend to others. Now that Fedora 10 is essentially out the door, we want to put some polish, refresh, and restart on a few items. Do you want to look for something interesting, or get a little direction of where to start? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_tasks Things coming the next six weeks: * Wiki gardening * Anyone want to get a Fedora 9 User Guide out the door? * Get started on Fedora 10 User Guide * Process fun - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I think we discussed this on IRC, but I wanted to get it here in the record for all. > Something like the way gentoo.org does their documentation. XML single > source, updates to an svn repository, then nightly builds from the svn > repository for the website. Wiki to docbook to wiki is silly and a > massive barrier to entry. > Sorry for the confusion. There is *not* a requirement to have documents be in the wiki at any time. There NEVER has been a case in Fedora Docs that I recall of taking a book from DocBook, putting in to the wiki, then converting it back to DocBook. That would be quite the waste of time. (Some people have insisted on trying that in the past, and learned the lesson.) If you have documents that are in DocBook, they are ready to go. Be aware, though, that DocBook *is* a barrier to entry for contributors. You will get fewer collaborators if you work only in XML. For the 'Fedora SELinux User Guide', we are publishing it using the native Publican CSS rather than converting it to the PHP scripts. There is a loss of site navigation, but I consider the whole site to currently be a boondoggle, a term which here means, 'a useless tool.' Thus I won't hobble Murray's efforts (for example) with a broken tool when he just needs content live. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a > > look at the ubuntu docs page (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/) That's a > > pretty comprehensive set of links. We have most of those topics covered in > > our wiki but they aren't linked from our docs page. > > If you or anyone else creates a replacement for the docs.fp.org page > that links to all that content, I'll put it up straight away. Here's > a good place to start drawing from: Have you made any progress on your idea? I'm going to do some simple updates to the front page, such as including the SELinux User Guide and deprecating some content. If you have any other ideas, now is the time to enact them. Looking to stage changes to the site by Sunday 23 Nov 2359 UTC. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields" > > To: "For participants of the Documentation Project" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: lead writer - you? > >> Since there are people popping up to take these responsibilities, >> it's important to lay out answers to these questions. > > Time to run a class on IRC maybe? Good idea, I'm down for a few of those. Anyone want to help coordinate the schedules? -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Fri Nov 21 19:00:07 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:00:07 -0800 Subject: lead writer - you? In-Reply-To: <1224602066.18346.36.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> References: <1224214535.28571.279.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1224602066.18346.36.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> Message-ID: <20081121190007.GF7140@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:14:26AM -0700, Dale Bewley wrote: > > I'm interested in working on the Virtualization Guide. Not knowing the > full implications of the "Guide" format or being a lead, and not yet > being very familiar with docbook, etc. I presume the best way to get > started is to just begin revising the virtualization quickstart guide[1] > with the idea it could become a "Guide" guide? Yes, we can start with new page names and putting in the [[Category:Draft Documentation]] tag. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure > It's something I've pondered for quite a while. It looks to be in better > shape than I recalled. There was previously only a F8 specific guide. > > Also, checking out the other guides[2] seems like a good idea. If Guide > has a formal definition, should there be a Guide category in MW? Is > there an index page I'm missing? Hmm, that's not a bad idea. Just as we might want [[Category:How to]], why not [[Category:Guide]]? One question is, do you intend to convert to XML or work only on the wiki? That dictates some of the details of how your organize it, etc. Next you'll want to know the pos/neg for each choice. :) - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On the wiki has the advantage of drawing from 10x to 25x the collaborators as XML does. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 +1 for wiki :) -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From y0duh.gr33n3dud3 at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 02:48:21 2008 From: y0duh.gr33n3dud3 at gmail.com (y0duh gr33n3dud3) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:48:21 -0500 Subject: y0duh.gr33n3dud3@gmail.com Message-ID: <62d4af4f0811211848p7641c543ldc5fd29d323f3aa@mail.gmail.com> y0duh.gr33n3dud at gmail.com -- There is no end. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Nov 22 19:49:30 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:49:30 -0800 Subject: stale 'docs' group requests Message-ID: <20081122194930.GN7140@calliope.phig.org> If you have requested access to the 'docs' group, it means you want to be part of this project. Great! The first important thing to do is to introduce yourself to this list[1]. Anyone who has requested 'docs' but not self-introduced within two weeks of requesting is going to get denied sponsorship for the group. No worries if you got busy and forgot. Just send a self-intro and request 'docs' sponsorship again. :) - Karsten [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Join#Signing_Up -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fentonc2003 at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 05:51:22 2008 From: fentonc2003 at gmail.com (Fenton) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:51:22 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction Message-ID: <294270b10811222151t47b23e7fxd6d2ac991b03db35@mail.gmail.com> I have not worked on any other project in the OS community, but I want to contribute back to the community. I have limited programming skills, but I am a networking major attending a community college. I do love to program though I am not as skilled with it. My English Comp. Teacher as well as others have told me that I have excellent writing skills, and I thought that I could start giving back to the community by helping with documentation. Eventually, I would love to work more with game programming, troubleshooting, and network security. gpg --fingerprint EA390F5F pub 1024D/EA390F5F 2008-11-23 Key fingerprint = 640C FC97 398B E1F4 55C3 1EE9 8BF0 246E EA39 0F5F uid chris fenton (new to fedoraProject) < fentonc2003 at gmail.com> sub 2048g/6DB43BDE 2008-11-23 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Sun Nov 23 14:14:31 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:14:31 -0500 Subject: Self Introduction In-Reply-To: <294270b10811222151t47b23e7fxd6d2ac991b03db35@mail.gmail.com> References: <294270b10811222151t47b23e7fxd6d2ac991b03db35@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081123141431.GD12533@salma.internal.frields.org> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:51:22AM -0500, Fenton wrote: > I have not worked on any other project in the OS community, but I want to > contribute back to the community. > I have limited programming skills, but I am a networking major attending a > community college. I do love to program though I am not as skilled with it. > My English Comp. Teacher as well as others have told me that I have > excellent writing skills, and I thought that I could start giving back to > the community by helping with documentation. > Eventually, I would love to work more with game programming, > troubleshooting, and network security. Fenton, it's great to have you aboard. Once you have a Fedora account in the FAS, you can use that to edit our wiki. One of the things that's easy to get started with is the "Needs love" category. If you look at the wiki here, you'll find pages that need help: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Needs_love You should review our wiki editing guidelines so that you know how to make meaningful changes on the wiki and help the users who come after you: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing If you have questions, please come by IRC Freenode on #fedora-docs and we'll be glad to help. You can find more information about IRC here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where do you get these statistics from? I'm curious as to how they are generated and what kinds of interesting information can be extracted from them ... yes, I _may_ be a little bit geeky :D Cheers, Jeff. -- Jeff Fearn Software Engineer Engineering Operations Red Hat, Inc Freedom ... courage ... Commitment ... ACCOUNTABILITY From kwade at redhat.com Sun Nov 23 22:54:43 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:54:43 -0800 Subject: Documentation Guide git repo?\ In-Reply-To: <4929CFCA.6070401@redhat.com> References: <20081110195350.GK13099@localhost.localdomain> <20081121185328.GD7140@calliope.phig.org> <4929CFCA.6070401@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081123225443.GR7140@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 07:48:58AM +1000, Jeff Fearn wrote: > Karsten Wade wrote: >> >> On the wiki has the advantage of drawing from 10x to 25x the >> collaborators as XML does. > > Where do you get these statistics from? > > I'm curious as to how they are generated and what kinds of interesting information can be extracted from them ... yes, I _may_ be a little bit geeky :D > > Cheers, Jeff. I haven't actually compared statistics in a while. Background here is that when we were talking originally about adding wiki content as part of the formal Fedora Docs, I talked with Deb Richardson (Dria), who was running Mozilla's developer documentation. They had gone through a migration from DocBook XML in CVS to a wiki for their dev content. They were experiencing very impressive multipliers of contribution to the exact same content in the wiki by the same pool of developers who had the skills to commit to XML, plus a whole new class of contributors who would never have ventured in to XML. In the last several years, Fedora has grown to several thousand registered contributors, with hundreds of those regularly editing parts of the wiki. In the same time as that growth, DocBook adoption in Fedora has been flat. We rarely have more than a dozen people at a time willing and able to commit changes to the XML. So, if you want to seek updated statistics, draw from: * How many people edit the wiki in a given month? (Can use RSS feed of recent changes.) * How many people edit any of the DocBook projects? (Can use fedora-docs-commits for this.) There is a lot of noise in there, though. For example, f-docs-commits is full of Transifex commits, while the wiki is full of content that is not really documentation. That said, it is clear that wiki documentation content has grown continuously in the same time period that XML docs contributions have been nearly flat. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From shajia_khan at yahoo.com Mon Nov 24 16:16:25 2008 From: shajia_khan at yahoo.com (Shajia Khan) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:16:25 -0500 Subject: self introduction Message-ID: <000801c94e50$004ff4c0$00efde40$@com> Hello Everyone, My name is Shajia Khan . I am a student of Technical Communication, Seneca College, Toronto. From the January 2009 till April 2009 I will have my co-op semester and I am planning to work with Fedora project in the area of documentation writing and editing to gain my co-op experience. My educational background is basically in English. I have done my bachelors in English language and literature. Then I worked as a news paper reporter for a while and then worked as language teacher in middle school. After that, I did my M.A. in Applied Linguistics from Carleton University, Ottawa. I worked for a linguistic consultant for a company in Calgary for a year. I worked as a teacher in various educational settings. Then I enrolled in Seneca College to make a career change. I am planning to become a technical writer because I believe as a teacher my main object was to convey complex ideas to my students in simple terms. Here as a technical writer I will be doing the same. I have summed up my experiences and knowledge which will bring result to Fedora project: My working experience as a writer: I wrote in news paper articles. As a teacher I wrote handouts, course outlines and even teaching units which are very similar to the technical documents. My experience in editing: As a teacher I had to review my students writing and help them to write in correct English. Moreover the course in Editing and Style in Seneca had brushed up those editing skills and taught me some tools especially on how to edit in an electronic document. The technical know -how: The technical communication course in Seneca taught me some key concept in documentation. For example, task analysis, user analysis, writing a procedure, technical description, technical specification, software lifecycle etc. It will enable me to be familiarized in the term. Communication Skills: As I mentioned earlier, as a teacher my key responsibility was to explain complex ideas into simple terms. I believe that is very crucial when someone works as a technical writer. I will be able to work full time for Fedora, so I am looking for lots and lots of works! Regards Shajia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Nov 25 14:02:26 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:02:26 -0500 Subject: Usage tip o' the day Message-ID: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> TIP OF THE DAY: If you use the word "this" or "that," follow it with a noun that clearly indicates the antecedent. Ensure that your use of "this" or "that" isn't also an indicator of poor sentence construction. The word "lets" or "allows" following "this" or "that" is generally a sign that more editing is needed. INCORRECT: "This shows the user who owns the process." CORRECT: "This option shows the user who owns the process." INCORRECT: "Turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software Sources tool. This lets you test new packages before they are pushed to the stable repository." CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software Sources tool." Be on the lookout for naked "this" or "that"! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noriko at redhat.com Tue Nov 25 23:28:52 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:28:52 +1000 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <492C8A34.8000007@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > TIP OF THE DAY: > > If you use the word "this" or "that," follow it with a noun that > clearly indicates the antecedent. Ensure that your use of "this" or > "that" isn't also an indicator of poor sentence construction. The > word "lets" or "allows" following "this" or "that" is generally a sign > that more editing is needed. > > INCORRECT: "This shows the user who owns the process." > CORRECT: "This option shows the user who owns the process." > > INCORRECT: "Turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software > Sources tool. This lets you test new packages before they are pushed > to the stable repository." > CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable > repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software > Sources tool." > > Be on the lookout for naked "this" or "that"! Thank you for pointing these out. In terms of translation, I myself have experienced difficulties how to translate the naked "this" nicer more than once. This would be common in many other languages. Those corrections will be able to receive clearer translation in those languages too. noriko > > From ccurran at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 01:52:28 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:52:28 +1000 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > TIP OF THE DAY: > > If you use the word "this" or "that," follow it with a noun that > clearly indicates the antecedent. Ensure that your use of "this" or > "that" isn't also an indicator of poor sentence construction. The > word "lets" or "allows" following "this" or "that" is generally a sign > that more editing is needed. > > INCORRECT: "This shows the user who owns the process." > CORRECT: "This option shows the user who owns the process." > > It's often worth avoiding both usages here by not writing sentence fragments. More correct: "Option -x shows which user owns the process" > INCORRECT: "Turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software > Sources tool. This lets you test new packages before they are pushed > to the stable repository." > CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable > repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software > Sources tool." > > More correct: "Test packages not pushed to the 'stable' respository by turning on the 'updates-testing' repository. " > Be on the lookout for naked "this" or "that"! > > You can be far more succinct and clear by making every sentence stand alone. If a sentence does not make sense without the sentence before it, consider revision. Chris From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 01:58:12 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:58:12 +1000 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com> >> CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable >> repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software >> Sources tool." >> >> > > More correct: "Test packages not pushed to the 'stable' respository by > turning on the 'updates-testing' repository. " I do not think this is correct. It makes it sound like there are "test packages" that are not pushed to stable, instead of users "testing the packages". From dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu Wed Nov 26 02:42:23 2008 From: dlbewley at lib.ucdavis.edu (Dale Bewley) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:42:23 -0800 Subject: wiki Releases/10 Message-ID: <1227667343.28887.32.camel@tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu> I hope I didn't step on some S.O.P., but I noticed /Releases/10 did not exist, so I added it and revised /Releases. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10 -- Dale Bewley - Unix Administrator - Shields Library - UC Davis GPG: 0xB098A0F3 0D5A 9AEB 43F4 F84C 7EFD 1753 064D 2583 B098 A0F3 From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 03:50:50 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:50:50 -0500 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> <95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081126035050.GC4358@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:58:12AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >> CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable > >> repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software > >> Sources tool." > >> > >> > > > > More correct: "Test packages not pushed to the 'stable' respository by > > turning on the 'updates-testing' repository. " > > I do not think this is correct. It makes it sound like there are "test > packages" that are not pushed to stable, instead of users "testing the > packages". I thought the same thing when I read it. One must often balance the desire for brevity with the need for clarity. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ccurran at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 05:19:09 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:19:09 +1000 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <20081126035050.GC4358@localhost.localdomain> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> <95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081126035050.GC4358@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <492CDC4D.1010606@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:58:12AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > >>>> CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable >>>> repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software >>>> Sources tool." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> More correct: "Test packages not pushed to the 'stable' respository by >>> turning on the 'updates-testing' repository. " >>> >> I do not think this is correct. It makes it sound like there are "test >> packages" that are not pushed to stable, instead of users "testing the >> packages". >> > > I thought the same thing when I read it. One must often balance the > desire for brevity with the need for clarity. > > Admittedly, my example was not all that great but my point is no less valid. Do not use 20 words when ten will suffice. A minor edit with a little more thought. Test new packages which are not yet in the 'stable' respository by enabling on the 'updates-testing' repository. From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 07:58:02 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:58:02 +0100 Subject: "Bug" in Fedora 10 release notes Message-ID: <64b14b300811252358q3a10f60ev3a7852645f33d19e@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I read Fedora 10 release notes and tried making liveusb as it suggested and saw that it has errors: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-USB_booting There is no file "/usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk" on my Fedora 10 box even after installing package mentioned in documentation. Can somebody please look at it. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 13:15:51 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:15:51 -0500 Subject: Usage tip o' the day In-Reply-To: <492CDC4D.1010606@redhat.com> References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org> <492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com> <95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com> <20081126035050.GC4358@localhost.localdomain> <492CDC4D.1010606@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20081126131551.GJ26873@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 03:19:09PM +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:58:12AM +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: >> >>>>> CORRECT: "To test new packages before they are pushed to the stable >>>>> repository, turn on the 'updates-testing' repository in the Software >>>>> Sources tool." >>>>> >>>> More correct: "Test packages not pushed to the 'stable' respository by >>>> turning on the 'updates-testing' repository. " >>>> >>> I do not think this is correct. It makes it sound like there are "test >>> packages" that are not pushed to stable, instead of users "testing the >>> packages". >> >> I thought the same thing when I read it. One must often balance the >> desire for brevity with the need for clarity. >> > Admittedly, my example was not all that great but my point is no less > valid. Do not use 20 words when ten will suffice. I agree completely with this guideline. Short, declarative sentences deliver information clearly and succinctly. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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McDonough) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:37:51 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts on beat writing References: <20081125140226.GH13457@salma.internal.frields.org><492CABDC.8030503@redhat.com><95f1114b0811251758j6f80d260hbadd41fb792f72e3@mail.gmail.com><20081126035050.GC4358@localhost.localdomain><492CDC4D.1010606@redhat.com> <20081126131551.GJ26873@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: Now that Fedora 10 is in the box, I felt it might be useful to share some thoughts I had as a new beat writer, with an eye toward improving the process for Fedora 11. The new beat writer is faced with three big challenges; 1) What is actually -IN- the beat, 2) What has changed and, 3) What level of detail to write about. There are other hurdles to be sure, but these three seem almost insurmountable. Geek that I am, I discovered that the answers to the first two can be (sort of) answered by rummaging around in the primary.sqlite files. Unfortunately, the PackageKit groups don't map precisely to the beats, and (IMO) there are a significant number of errors in the grouping, but these files contain the packages and their descriptions and versions, as well as the URL to the project. By comparing versions between the rawhide sqlite file and the previous release, changes can be detected. Once you see a new version the URL to the project (and sometimes the upstream's release notes) is right there. Unfortunately, you need to look at two different files, and you need to have some way to identify what packages actually are in your beat, so for me the path of least resistance was to import the whole shebang into MySQL. Obviously, that wouldn't be the right path for most beat writers. Also unfortunate that I didn't really discover this until late in the game, and my beats don't reflect this. I'll do better next time. The guidance I got initially was to follow the features pages and rummage around in bugzilla. Bugzilla is too slow and too noisy to be very useful for this sort of exercise, and the features pages only deal with the major changes. A lot of packages get updated, and although in the context of the entire release these may be minor events, when viewed through the microscope of a user of that particular package, it could be quite a big deal. I was also advised to watch the commits, but I never did learn how to actually do this, and I suspect that would have the same noise problem as bugzilla. I do watch the RSS feed on commits, but there is just too much going on there to pick out the relativly few I care about. The other issue that should be addressed in the notes is the tension between what's there, what's changed and what's new. I think the games guys did the best job on what's there. They had a nice, short description and a link to a wiki page with the details. Unfortunately, they didn't address the what's changed. I suppose in principle the release notes ought to only reflect the differences, but we really need a "what's there" that is approachable. The new user can't really make sense of 11,000+ packages, and although the PackageKit grouping helps some, it doesn't help enough. Many beats are really descriptions of what's there, sometimes to the detriment of what's changed. One interesting aspect of this is that what the new user needs has a tremendous overlap with what the new beat writer needs. I'm thinking each beat needs two wiki pages. One for what will end up in the release notes, and another for what is actually in the beat. The release notes page could direct the reader to the wiki what's there page for a full description of what Fedora offers on the particular subject, but the release notes content should be prefaced with a (very) brief description. In a lot of cases, there is a need for some (sometimes a lot) of nesting of pages. I'm not sure if the intent of the page renaming exercise is to eliminate this entirely, but for example, in Software Development there is Runtime and Tools, and within both there are hundreds of packages. There is some very uneven hierarchy in Tools, but not nearly enough. I hit the biggies on this release, but Im sure there were dozens of changes that were missed and that were important to someone. Long lists of paragraphs are hard to navigate and hard to maintain, so some structure is needed. This structure can probably best be provided by including lower level pages in higher level, I suspect the page names aren't all that important. But the page naming thing still worries me. At this point I now understand how I will attack Fedora 11. I realize that my approach isn't particularly helpful for most people, so I won't outline it here, but I am noodling on how we might help future beat writers. I wonder if other beat writers, especially new beat writers, faced similar challenges and how they addressed them. I suspect we (maybe even I) can make things a lot better for future beat writers, but then maybe I'm just dumber than the average bear. --McD From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 15:49:52 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:49:52 -0600 Subject: "Bug" in Fedora 10 release notes In-Reply-To: <64b14b300811252358q3a10f60ev3a7852645f33d19e@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300811252358q3a10f60ev3a7852645f33d19e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081126154952.GA27036@gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:58:02AM +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > There is no file "/usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk" on my Fedora 10 box > even after installing package mentioned in documentation. > You need to have livecd-tools installed from Yum. Not sure if that was in the doc. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 15:52:13 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:52:13 -0600 Subject: Ian is vacationing Message-ID: <20081126155213.GB27036@gmail.com> So I'm pretty sure I'm like others, but I'll be on vacation for about a week with my family on Thanksgiving. If my packages need fixed, go ahead and fix 'em ;) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 16:03:10 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:03:10 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts on beat writing In-Reply-To: References: <20081126131551.GJ26873@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20081126160310.GZ26873@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:37:51AM -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > Now that Fedora 10 is in the box, I felt it might be useful to share some > thoughts I had as a new beat writer, with an eye toward improving the > process for Fedora 11. [...snip...] Hi John, Two recommendations: 1. Make a new post (instead of a reply) for new ideas so they don't get lost in threads that people may be ignoring or marking read. 2. Can you boil this down into a couple succinct recommendations for how we might do better at Beats for F11? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 16:06:46 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:06:46 -0500 Subject: creating man pages In-Reply-To: <90d975d30811260717v13552dcbjdd991f44c8f13052@mail.gmail.com> References: <90d975d30811260717v13552dcbjdd991f44c8f13052@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081126160646.GA26873@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:17:54PM +0100, Gergely Buday wrote: > Hi there, > > what is the standard way to create man pages in Fedora? There is a > constraint: the package maintainer would like to see the original .txt > version as well. > > Is docbook the way? If yes, which docbook tool should I use? You can use any editor you like with DocBook. An editor that provides validation of XML files works best, which includes Emacs, vi, Kate, XMLmind, Eclipse WebTools, and many others -- but you have to learn that functionality before validation will matter to you. You can just use Gedit or Kate for now and ask for assistance if you run into problems. There is also a docbook2man program in the docbook-utils package. You will probably want to install the documentation group using this command: $ su -c 'yum groupinstall "Authoring and Publishing"' -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 16:59:28 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:59:28 -0500 Subject: creating man pages In-Reply-To: <1227716372.4421.11.camel@cyberelk.elk> References: <90d975d30811260717v13552dcbjdd991f44c8f13052@mail.gmail.com> <20081126160646.GA26873@localhost.localdomain> <1227716372.4421.11.camel@cyberelk.elk> Message-ID: <20081126165928.GM26873@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 04:19:32PM +0000, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 11:06 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > There is also a docbook2man program in the docbook-utils package. You > > will probably want to install the documentation group using this > > command: > > docbook2man isn't really maintained any more IIRC. The newer xmlto tool > is though, and can produce txt and man output. Oh, thank you Tim! That was pretty stupid of me considering that I use xmlto for everything myself, but rarely make man pages. Thanks for the pointer. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cpanceac at gmail.com Wed Nov 26 17:57:59 2008 From: cpanceac at gmail.com (cornel panceac) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:57:59 +0200 Subject: yum upgrade faq Message-ID: on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_9_-.3E_Fedora_10 at section 3. Switch repositories maybe it's better to first move old *repo* to an 'older' subfolder and only then rpm -Uvh fedora-release* also, it may be interesting to suggest using a mirror .... thank you (seth?) for this useful page. -- Linux counter #213090 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Wed Nov 26 18:27:33 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:27:33 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts on beat writing Message-ID: <1F74884E15E243A59106296689E6683D@Aidan> Paul I appreciate the feedback. I do have a few thoughts on specific ways things might be made better for new beat writers, but I also imagined that if other beat writers engaged in the conversation, better ideas would emerge. A little shooting from the hip: 1) Seed the beats, especially the untouched beats, with the information available from yum. This can be done programatically, and I would be willing to work on that, but I suspect that there may be a better way, and in any case, the mapping of packages to beats is something that probably needs to be easily editable, and that raises some issues I haven't reconciled. 2) Provide some relatively automatic way for a beat writer to know what has changed within his domain without grazing all 11K packages. I will do this for myself for F11, whether I can do it in a way that is appropriate in a production environment, I'm less sure. (I'm a big fan of really grody hacks). 3) Provide new beat writers with an assigned mentor, preferably someone with at least some familiarity with the beat content, as well, of course, as the process. I'm pretty sure other beat writers out there have much better ideas but they are keeping their mouths shut. Perhaps I should have waited a few more days. Indeed, with the holiday fast upon us, many of the stateside beat writers are probably already headed off to their turkeys, leaving their laptops alone and lonely over the long weekend. On the other hand, perhaps some will emerge from their tryptophan haze in a talkative mood! --McD From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 19:58:24 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:58:24 -0800 Subject: Meeting 26 Nov 2000 UTC Message-ID: <20081126195824.GE9829@calliope.phig.org> We're having meeting time confusion and are meeting today in a few minutes on #fedora-docs. Will sort the confusion out and, starting next week, have a regular meeting time we can rely upon. :) -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I reckon we just need to rediscipline ourselves to the 'new' time, and need to send out reminders a day in advance 12:07 * quaid holds the mic open for a moment while he does wiki stuff in the bg 12:11 < quaid> sorry, network dropped for a moment 12:11 < greg_72> as I understand this is a meeting for the docs project right now. In spite of this, may I have a question? 12:11 < quaid> greg_72: since we are a bit unorthodox with our meeting today by holding it in this channel, that seems fair -- go ahead 12:13 < greg_72> any experts on writing a docbook xml for a man page? my question is: in the file section, which docbook tag should I use for a file name and its description? 12:13 < quaid> greg_72: I don't know off-hand, but you can see if anyone lurking sees the question. 12:14 < quaid> all: what I'd like to do is schedule *next* meeting to cover: 12:14 < quaid> * Lessons learned from F10 12:14 < quaid> * Plans for F11 12:14 < quaid> hopefully we'll have more people for input 12:14 < quaid> as for today, I'm going to use the time productively to create our next few months plans 12:15 < quaid> around CMS, git migration, and such 12:17 < quaid> greg_72: if the man page stylesheets are using standard DocBook, it would probably be , not sure about description; have you been digging through the long list of tags on docbook.org? 12:17 * quaid Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors&action=edit 12:19 -!- kennepede [n=pkennedy at 65.122.67.200] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:20 < greg_72> quaid: I'm at http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/documentation/reference/html/refsect1.html do not see "filename". I am a newbie in docbook, take a look around 12:22 < quaid> greg_72: http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html/ 12:22 < quaid> scroll down to the ". DocBook Element Reference" 12:22 < quaid> each of those elements then has a page that shows what it can be a child of, what a parent of, and usage examples 12:22 < ke4qqq> so did the publican v. toolchain choice get made? 12:23 < greg_72> quaid: thanks 12:23 < ke4qqq> obviously (I think) we still did toolchain for F10, right? 12:23 < quaid> ke4qqq: strategically, yes, i think so 12:23 < quaid> but tactically, we had to pull back again for F10 12:23 < quaid> otoh, we now have more expertise, experience, and a better quality of Publican in F10 12:23 < ke4qqq> is there a publican session at fudcon yet? 12:23 < quaid> but migrating to publican across the board and testing *all* needs is a good task. 12:23 < quaid> ooh, don't think so 12:24 < quaid> ke4qqq: can I put you on the spot for a moment? 12:25 < quaid> as a newer to Docs contributor 12:25 < ke4qqq> please 12:25 < quaid> ok, so one of the big reasons for going with Publican is that it is an upstream project, wider user base over time, so we can contribute to it but not have to own the entire toolchain. 12:25 < ke4qqq> k 12:25 < quaid> however, we give up control and NIH stuff we know and such. 12:26 < quaid> i.e., swap time tweaking out toolchain in favor of time tweaking on a cantankerous upstream. :) 12:26 < quaid> so ... 12:26 < quaid> in what you have witnessed the last few months 12:26 < quaid> i.e., struggles with fedora-doc-utils and struggles with publican 12:26 < quaid> on channel and on mailing list 12:27 < quaid> which direction would you recommend? gut instinct, thought, etc. 12:27 < ke4qqq> gut instinct says publican 12:27 < ke4qqq> because docs are published - still a number of unanswered questions in my mind about it 12:27 * stickster returns from phone 12:27 < ke4qqq> but doc-utils seems to require instruction in black magic 12:27 < ke4qqq> and incantations that are really long at times 12:28 < ke4qqq> so it appears as more of a blackbox.... 12:28 < ke4qqq> to me at least - granted the source is there, but I didn't have time to 12:28 < ke4qqq> go look under the hood over the past few months 12:28 < ke4qqq> and I suspect that parts of the toolchain that I didn't touch are even worse 12:29 * stickster agrees with ke4qqq that publican is the right way to go, even if it does a number of silly hacky things. 12:29 < stickster> Those will likely be worked out over time 12:29 < stickster> especially if we put ours aside and devote any modicum of that time to helping with publican 12:30 < stickster> And there's nothing saying we couldn't have a second toolchain project 12:30 < ke4qqq> biab 12:30 < stickster> But it would be truly secondary, imho. 12:32 * ke4qqq is back 12:32 < quaid> yay 12:32 < quaid> I think we all concur then 12:33 < quaid> stickster: yes, fedora-doc-utils can have a basic toolchain using whatever is on the system, but it is still useful for other reasons 12:33 < stickster> certainly 12:33 * quaid adds 'Publican migration' to tasks 12:33 < stickster> we just won't concentrate on it for people who want to work on docs in FDP 12:35 < quaid> ok 12:35 < quaid> that's one of our "before FUDCon tasks" I think 12:36 < quaid> then there is the s 12:36 * quaid back 12:36 < quaid> bittorrent ongoing seems to make ssh drop randomly 12:37 * quaid bets it's the Vonage QoS up LAN from him 12:37 < quaid> stickster: help me list out what we said we'd work on postF10 12:37 < quaid> (other than a lessons learned and F11 planning, for next week) 12:37 < quaid> * CMS 12:37 < ke4qqq> stickster: will there be a person at fudcon to teach us publican? 12:38 < quaid> * quaid tells FDP about plans for growing the project 12:38 < quaid> ke4qqq: jsmith, stickster, or I can probably do it 12:38 < quaid> jsmith seems to have the most recent experience 12:38 < stickster> I'm twisting jsmith-away's arm to be there :-) 12:39 < stickster> quaid: * make damn sure important docs have a team behind them, or announce their droppage to the whole project 12:39 < stickster> or (c) move them to wiki for prosperity 12:39 < stickster> (blecch) 12:40 < quaid> ok, what is a reasonable timeline for that? 12:40 < stickster> by Dec. 15th, I'd say 12:40 < stickster> No April surprises that way. 12:41 * quaid pondering on that 12:41 < quaid> maybe a soft drop for 15 Dec, and hard drop after FUDCon, a/k/a "Last Chanceville" 12:41 < quaid> ? 12:42 < ke4qqq> define 'important docs'? 12:42 < quaid> um ... all of them? 12:42 < ke4qqq> lol ok 12:43 < quaid> well, we don't really have an extraneous ones 12:43 < ke4qqq> is there a listing of docs we maintain, a canonical list? 12:43 < quaid> ah, probably not exactly 12:44 < stickster> The front page of the DocsProject had one I believe. 12:44 * quaid looking there now 12:44 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject#The_Documents 12:44 < stickster> ke4qqq: Really, it's the sum of what you see at cvs.fedoraproject.org under "docs" cvsroot, and the release notes and IG. 12:44 < quaid> but that's not entirely clear that way 12:44 < stickster> and the selinux-guide assuming we're helping murray with that 12:45 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:45 < quaid> stickster: here's a question ... does any document with the Fedora logo on it belong in FDP? 12:45 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has joined #fedora-docs 12:45 < stickster> Yes. 12:46 < stickster> If it has the Fedora logo the FDP -- assuming one exists -- should be accountable for its accuracy and timeliness. 12:46 < quaid> I concur. 12:46 < stickster> If the FDP ceases to exist, then so should that guideline, and it means that whoever wants to publish under the Fedora logo is going to need to have some sort of charter to doso. 12:46 < stickster> s/doso/do so/ 12:46 < quaid> so that makes the Fedora SELinux User Guide within our purview 12:47 < quaid> there is also all the 'Linux Deployment Guide' content now out there we can draw from 12:47 < stickster> I think we should be incented to work on it because (1) it's current, (2) it's been gifted by someone who cared enough to put the time into it, and (3) that person (mdious) actually does hang out here and collaborate with us 12:48 < quaid> +1 12:48 * quaid reminds himself that guide needs some splash this release 12:48 < quaid> time for me to dust off the ol' blog and stuff 12:49 -!- dbewley1 [n=dlbewley at c-71-197-86-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-docs 12:49 < quaid> hey dbewley1 12:50 < quaid> ok, I've got that deadline and stuff in the tasks now 12:50 < quaid> is that all the "now that F10 is done" stuff? 12:51 < quaid> ok 12:52 < dbewley1> greets 12:52 * stickster is torn in several directions right now, sorry 12:52 < quaid> s'ok 12:52 < quaid> one thing that is great btw ... 12:53 < quaid> this release we had 3x the participation 12:53 < quaid> cf. the last few releases 12:53 < quaid> so our task is keeping and increasing momentum 12:53 < quaid> v. 'drag it up from the mud with bootstraps' :) 12:53 * stickster brb, has to close down and ssh in from elsewhere 12:53 < quaid> actually, it might be more than 3x, but it's pretty significant in comparison 12:53 -!- stickster is now known as stickster_afk 12:54 < quaid> and man ... the bugs are rolling in for the IG and relnotes, that seems like more than usual 12:55 < quaid> which is not intended as a negative reflection :) 12:55 < quaid> I don't think we have more bugs than usual, just more interest in helping us fix them 12:56 < ke4qqq> and thats a good thing 12:56 < dbewley1> should we not make any changes to F10 wiki relnotes at this point? Like including things from Common Bugs page? 12:57 < quaid> dbewley1: wiki beats are done, all changes should be to the XML 12:58 < quaid> dbewley1: good question in that we do want to discuss the plan for the next update of f-r-n package + web update 12:58 < quaid> dbewley1: as for common bugs, if there needs to be changes in the relnotes, someone who cares about the bug needs to file a bug report 12:58 < dbewley1> quaid: that answers that. :) so edits should go on common bugs and features pages etc for now 12:58 < quaid> one of the reasons for the wiki page is that it is easier to update than the relnotes; hopefully those bugs get fixed instead :) 12:58 < quaid> dbewley1: yes 12:58 < dbewley1> quaid: no prob. just added something to common bugs earlier when someone wanted it on the relnotes 13:00 < quaid> we can spin a new web update relatively easily, and there are some open bugs 13:00 < quaid> be a good learning experience for anyone to do the fixes in the XML, then I can republish 13:01 < ke4qqq> ohhh so would pushing the web updates 13:01 < dbewley1> that's a hill i don't have time to climb myself anytime soon :) learn git and docbook etc 13:01 * ke4qqq would like to watch in screen 13:02 < quaid> hmm, yeah 13:03 < ke4qqq> though how much of that matters if we move to publican? 13:03 < quaid> or using 'script' and publishing it out 13:03 < quaid> well, good question 13:03 < quaid> actually, it all still applies 13:04 < quaid> it's the CMS that replaces the web publishing 13:05 < ke4qqq> hmmmm ok 13:05 < quaid> and ... man, it's some deep black magic again, not sure I want to waste anyone else's braincells :) 13:06 < ke4qqq> perhaps it's time better spent learning the CMS 13:07 < quaid> yeah 13:08 -!- mhideo [n=mhideo at nat/redhat/x-81ad4e02dde4f83c] has joined #fedora-docs 13:12 < quaid> ok, tasks updated for moving forward 13:12 < quaid> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors 13:12 * quaid actually wrote 'moving forward' darnit 13:15 -!- kennepede [n=pkennedy at pkennedy.dsl.visi.com] has joined #fedora-docs 13:16 < quaid> ok, that's enough for the day :) 13:17 < quaid> anything else or shall I close the meeting loop? 13:17 * quaid does a countdown in his head 13:18 < quaid> done! 13:18 < quaid> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields (stickster) Karsten Wade (quaid) IRC meeting log: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Docs_IRC_log_20081126 Summary ======= * FDSCo et al work from this task list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_admin_tasks_for_experienced_contributors * Meeting time really is 1900 UTC, with a local clock adjustment required - ACTION: quaid to send out reminders 24 hours in advance so we all remember in the future * Next meeting (03 December) is going to focus on lessons learned from F10 cycle, and how to apply them to F11 * Fedora Docs intends to adopt and migrate to using Publican before FUDCon in January. - ACTION: Someone needs to lead a Publican how-to session (jsmith, quaid, stickster) * The 'fedora-doc-utils' package still serves other purposes, will continue to have a lightweight DocBook processing built in. - ACTION: New package for this is needed, then we can have a global location to use in the Makefile for the 'docs-common' components * Content management system is current important focus for December. * All documents need a team behind them by 15 Dec. or they go on a 'to be dropped list'; that list is publicized widely; FUDCon 11 (15 Jan.) is the hard drop date; any documents without a team at that point are dropped by Fedora Docs. 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You can use the pre-filled link in the Feedback section: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/index.html#sn-Providing_feedback_on_release_notes Please include Ian's comment if it is valid. thx - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Nov 26 22:18:21 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:18:21 -0800 Subject: yum upgrade faq In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081126221821.GJ9829@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 07:57:59PM +0200, cornel panceac wrote: > on this page: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_9_-.3E_Fedora_10 > > at section > > 3. Switch repositories > > maybe it's better to first move old *repo* to an 'older' subfolder and only > then > > rpm -Uvh fedora-release* > > also, it may be interesting to suggest using a mirror .... Can you add these suggestions as a comment to the 'Talk:' area for that page? Use the 'discussion' link to access it. After your comment, put this macro: ~~~~ It is replaced upon save with your username and date of entry. The Talk: pages are a useful way of keeping the discussion about a page closest to the source, and are akin to filing a bug report. People who write and maintain that page should have it on a watch list, so will see when the Talk: page is created or updated. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If Publican doesn't have a 'man' target, it would make a pretty good feature to request/add. - Karsten -- Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener http://quaid.fedorapeople.org AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Nov 27 00:19:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:19:59 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts on beat writing In-Reply-To: <1F74884E15E243A59106296689E6683D@Aidan> References: <1F74884E15E243A59106296689E6683D@Aidan> Message-ID: <20081127001959.GC9042@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 01:27:33PM -0500, John J. McDonough wrote: > Paul I appreciate the feedback. > > I do have a few thoughts on specific ways things might be made better for > new beat writers, but I also imagined that if other beat writers engaged > in the conversation, better ideas would emerge. > > A little shooting from the hip: > > 1) Seed the beats, especially the untouched beats, with the information > available from yum. This can be done programatically, and I would be > willing to work on that, but I suspect that there may be a better way, > and in any case, the mapping of packages to beats is something that > probably needs to be easily editable, and that raises some issues I > haven't reconciled. I think there is a better way -- feeding package information to beats is simply not a good one. We had to change a lot of the Amateur Radio beat for that very reason. Simply listing the results of 'yum info' or 'yum search', or producing a listing of changed version numbers, and calling that release notes devalues the process a bit. It would be fine, however, to give people a command they could use to produce that info locally to save space for more relevant and rich content. > 2) Provide some relatively automatic way for a beat writer to know what > has changed within his domain without grazing all 11K packages. I will > do this for myself for F11, whether I can do it in a way that is > appropriate in a production environment, I'm less sure. (I'm a big fan > of really grody hacks). The nice thing about fedorapeople.org and our personal wiki pages is we can hand out all the grody hacks we like. (I do that too.) ;-) > 3) Provide new beat writers with an assigned mentor, preferably someone > with at least some familiarity with the beat content, as well, of course, > as the process. > > I'm pretty sure other beat writers out there have much better ideas but > they are keeping their mouths shut. Perhaps I should have waited a few > more days. Indeed, with the holiday fast upon us, many of the stateside > beat writers are probably already headed off to their turkeys, leaving > their laptops alone and lonely over the long weekend. On the other hand, > perhaps some will emerge from their tryptophan haze in a talkative mood! I intend to be off the keyboard (or at least, working on nothing beyond my own personal development projects) as much of the weekend as I can, so I can come back more energized. I hope you enjoy yours too! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Thu Nov 27 00:56:45 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:56:45 -0500 Subject: Some thoughts on beat writing References: <1F74884E15E243A59106296689E6683D@Aidan> <20081127001959.GC9042@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <2238BD08DCE04B449E358D882174B750@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: Some thoughts on beat writing > I think there is a better way -- feeding package information > to beats is simply not a good one. We had to change a lot > of the Amateur Radio beat for that very reason. Simply > listing the results of 'yum info' or 'yum search', or producing > a listing of changed version numbers, and calling that release > notes devalues the process a bit. Oh absolutely. The yum info stuff merely gives the beat writer some view into what's there. Once he recognizes the version change, the beat writer would then go to the project website (also listed in the yum info), review the upstream's release notes (where available), make a judgement as to whether they really needed comment, and then devise the release notes entry. I do think that the yum info is a good start for the "what's there" page that the release notes might point to. I do think the beat writer should, however, be encouraged to embellish the yum description. But at least it is a start. A nice summary should go into the release notes preceding the changes, but it should be very brief, perhaps one or two sentences. I did the amateur radio stuff long before I fully understood what was needed in the relnotes, and by the time I figured out how to figure out what changed, we were well into the period where we weren't making big changes to the wiki and I was reluctant to make massive revisions. If I had known you were going to get stuck with that, I would have been more than happy to go do it. > It would be fine, however, to give people a command they could > use to produce that info locally to save space for more relevant > and rich content. My aproach was kind of heavy handed, but having written down what is really needed, something that addresses the minimum needed functionality might be more approachable. I'll have to noodle on that. Actually, sqlite3 is a pretty handy piece of software in its own right! > I intend to be off the keyboard (or at least, working on nothing > beyond my own personal development projects) as much of the > weekend as I can, so I can come back more energized. I hope > you enjoy yours too! Well good for you. You deserve the break. We'll actually be celebrating Thanksgiving Friday -- the kids need to work Thursday. I've actually been toying with the possibility of spending Thursday melting solder to get away from the keyboard addiction myself. Enjoy your Thanksgiving. --McD From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 10:10:52 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:10:52 +0100 Subject: "Bug" in Fedora 10 release notes In-Reply-To: <20081126221421.GI9829@calliope.phig.org> References: <64b14b300811252358q3a10f60ev3a7852645f33d19e@mail.gmail.com> <20081126221421.GI9829@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <64b14b300811280210i214cfdc0kdc2a74e298aca8f3@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Karsten Wade wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:58:02AM +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: >> Hi, >> I read Fedora 10 release notes and tried making liveusb as it >> suggested and saw that it has errors: >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#sn-USB_booting >> >> There is no file "/usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk" on my Fedora 10 box >> even after installing package mentioned in documentation. >> >> Can somebody please look at it. > > If this is still a problem, please file a bug report. You can use the > pre-filled link in the Feedback section: > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/index.html#sn-Providing_feedback_on_release_notes > > Please include Ian's comment if it is valid. > > thx - Karsten > -- > Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Here is the bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473399 Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 10:23:05 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:23:05 +0100 Subject: "Bug" in Fedora 10 release notes In-Reply-To: <20081126154952.GA27036@gmail.com> References: <64b14b300811252358q3a10f60ev3a7852645f33d19e@mail.gmail.com> <20081126154952.GA27036@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300811280223u785a43efo5e8a156d0b2ec5c6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Ian Weller wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 08:58:02AM +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: >> There is no file "/usr/bin/livecd-iso-to-disk" on my Fedora 10 box >> even after installing package mentioned in documentation. >> > You need to have livecd-tools installed from Yum. Not sure if that was > in the doc. > > -- > Ian Weller http://ianweller.org > GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 > "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." > ~ Douglas Adams > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=473399 The issue is that documentation says you need to install liveusb-creator but has the instructions for using livecd-tools. GUI tools is very intuitive so I would prefer to alter the documentation so that is shows how to use liveusb-creator and not livecd-tools but use your own judgement what is better. Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic yum install liveusb-creatorlivecd-tools From HVerduguez at grupobisa.com Fri Nov 28 15:10:37 2008 From: HVerduguez at grupobisa.com (HVerduguez at grupobisa.com) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:10:37 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction Message-ID: Hi: My name is Hans, i'm from Bolivia,i have 25 years old; well i'll introduce my experience in documentation projects but first i've to say that i don't speek english very well but i understand it. i worked with many projects teaching linux, on this courses i made the manuals; i gave the courses too i documented software developed My experience in operating systems is high, im systems engineer, i'm working with linux almost 7 years, i think that i could contribute with user interface design and translate jobs. I think that i'll fit in the project because i like write clear and consistent and i'm a technical man. Saludos -- Hans L. Verduguez Fernandez Banco Bisa | Inform?tica 2317272(1267) | 22611267 From cpanceac at gmail.com Fri Nov 28 17:49:21 2008 From: cpanceac at gmail.com (cornel panceac) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:49:21 +0200 Subject: yum upgrade faq In-Reply-To: <20081126221821.GJ9829@calliope.phig.org> References: <20081126221821.GJ9829@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: thnx a lot, done! 2008/11/27 Karsten Wade > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 07:57:59PM +0200, cornel panceac wrote: > > on this page: > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/YumUpgradeFaq#Fedora_9_-.3E_Fedora_10 > > > > at section > > > > 3. Switch repositories > > > > maybe it's better to first move old *repo* to an 'older' subfolder and > only > > then > > > > rpm -Uvh fedora-release* > > > > also, it may be interesting to suggest using a mirror .... > > Can you add these suggestions as a comment to the 'Talk:' area for > that page? Use the 'discussion' link to access it. After your > comment, put this macro: ~~~~ It is replaced upon save with your > username and date of entry. > > The Talk: pages are a useful way of keeping the discussion about a > page closest to the source, and are akin to filing a bug report. > People who write and maintain that page should have it on a watch > list, so will see when the Talk: page is created or updated. > > - Karsten > -- > Karsten 'quaid' Wade, Community Gardener > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org > AD0E0C41 > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > -- Linux counter #213090 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 04:01:05 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:01:05 +1000 Subject: "Managing Permissions" converted to XML In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0811281958u18dc1405raae5d0fc7fc84385@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0811281958u18dc1405raae5d0fc7fc84385@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0811282001k6939a9f2ib39b84a86ee84f21@mail.gmail.com> > (I have not tested the later * latter From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 16:20:56 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:20:56 +0100 Subject: heads up Message-ID: <64b14b300811290820h7550b767s10075ff9c2b8efcc@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I mooved this page: FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo to new page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_LiveCD_USB_HowTo why? I saw this: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure#General_naming_rules And the funny thing is that the exaple given is this one and it wasn't changed before, why? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From valent.turkovic at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 19:53:24 2008 From: valent.turkovic at gmail.com (Valent Turkovic) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:53:24 +0100 Subject: heads up In-Reply-To: <64b14b300811290820h7550b767s10075ff9c2b8efcc@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300811290820h7550b767s10075ff9c2b8efcc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <64b14b300811291153t32ebf47hfb8a4fdfbe756212@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > I mooved this page: > FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo to new page: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_LiveCD_USB_HowTo > > why? I saw this: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure#General_naming_rules > > And the funny thing is that the exaple given is this one and it wasn't > changed before, why? > > Cheers, > Valent. > > -- > http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ > linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless > registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > I also found on this page some broken links: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence should I report broken links on this page as a bug? What is the best thing to do? What would you do? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic From stickster at gmail.com Sat Nov 29 23:07:32 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:07:32 -0500 Subject: heads up In-Reply-To: <64b14b300811291153t32ebf47hfb8a4fdfbe756212@mail.gmail.com> References: <64b14b300811290820h7550b767s10075ff9c2b8efcc@mail.gmail.com> <64b14b300811291153t32ebf47hfb8a4fdfbe756212@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081129230732.GA8426@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 08:53:24PM +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: > > Hi, > > I mooved this page: > > FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo to new page: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_LiveCD_USB_HowTo > > > > why? I saw this: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure#General_naming_rules > > > > And the funny thing is that the exaple given is this one and it wasn't > > changed before, why? > > I also found on this page some broken links: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence > > should I report broken links on this page as a bug? What is the best > thing to do? What would you do? It's a wiki. Fix them. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's a live *distribution*, not limited to the realm of CDs (especially with that whole live CDs on USB drive thing that I heard about once upon a time... :P) -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If, on the whole, they're irrelvant, I'll try to go clean them up if everyone agrees on this point. - Matthew Daniels danielsmw at gmail.com From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 06:08:00 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:08:00 -0600 Subject: heads up In-Reply-To: References: <64b14b300811290820h7550b767s10075ff9c2b8efcc@mail.gmail.com> <20081130012255.GA27404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081130060800.GA7666@gmail.com> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 11:40:32PM -0500, Matthew Daniels wrote: > On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Ian Weller wrote: >> - having 'fedora' in the url is redundant (fedoraproject.org) > > I agree, and I'm wondering - do we have other pages with Fedora prefixing > them? If, on the whole, they're irrelvant, I'll try to go clean them up > if everyone agrees on this point. > I'm pretty sure they're in the naming requirements -- even pre-MediaWiki. Shouldn't be a problem to move pages -- everything is redirected automatically. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sun Nov 30 22:01:00 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:01:00 -0500 Subject: heads up Message-ID: <49330d60.181e640a.648e.7291@mx.google.com> http://counter.li.org. > ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic > I also found on this page some broken links: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/LivePersistence should I report broken links on this page as a bug? What is the best thing to do? What would you do? Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic -- fedora-docs-list mailing list fedora-docs-list at redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list --- message truncated --- Valent, you have the skill set to help the Ambassadors (and the docs group too) do some much needed wiki gardening. Please keep going this direction in your efforts. Most folks experiment a little till they find a technique and strategy that fits their abilities and time constraints. For example, I joined the docs group and subscribed to the docs list so I can understand what is going on from time to time. I found out that I don't usually have enough free time to do more than wiki garden so I look for weeds (broken links, out of date content or hard to understand technical references) then prune or replant elsewhere as necessary. Wiki gardening is important now more than normally because a new release of Fedora may have caused more pages needing updated than normal. -- Kam http://kamsalisbury.com GPG key: FAF1751E From pribyl at lowlevel.cz Tue Nov 25 22:13:52 2008 From: pribyl at lowlevel.cz (Adam Pribyl) Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:13:52 +0100 (CET) Subject: Fedora HW requirements Message-ID: I am just bit surprised that Fedora hardware requirements remain same thru release notes from Fedora Core 2 (almost 5 years) ut to Fedora 10. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Installation_and_Live_Images.html#x86_specifics_for_Fedora I think we should consider to review this, as this is really getting outdated. I know that Fedora can run on P200MHz with 64MB RAM, but it's not usefull for work, and I would really not consider something like PII400MHz with 256MB of RAM as recommended hardware. I personaly start to feel slowness on PIII800MHz with 512MB of RAM with default Gnome, KDE4 is not possible use on this HW due to unresponsive GUI. I know this is much about the feeling, but recommended I would consider (looking into smolt results) something around 2GHz CPU and 1GB of RAM. For 64bit I think there should be mentioned that you need to have a CPU with either AMD64 or EM64T technology, the RAM and gigahertz may remain the same.. Thanks for attention Adam Pribyl