From noriko at redhat.com Mon Sep 1 08:51:06 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:51:06 +1000 Subject: translation-quick-start-guide In-Reply-To: <1219902792.16777.7.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> References: <48AF381B.8070201@fedoraproject.org> <48B1FEEB.3040200@redhat.com> <1219686015.4924.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48B61044.9050301@redhat.com> <1219902792.16777.7.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> Message-ID: <48BBACFA.1040809@redhat.com> Nigel Jones ????????: > On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:41 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >> Karsten 'quaid' Wade ????????: >>> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 10:38 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: >>> >>>> I could not notice these bugs, since the default setting of Bugzilla has >>>> been reset wrongly to exclude me for 'translation-quick-start-guide'. I >>>> have made the request for correction, so that in the future I should be >>>> able to receive a message soon as such bug filed, and thus to attend >>>> prompt manner. >>> Since I'm a CVS admin, I just made that change. If I did it correctly, >>> it should propagate within the hour. The default assignment is now set >>> to 'noriko at redhat.com', the QA to 'aalam at redhat.com', and Cc: includes >>> 'stickster at gmail.com'. >>> >>> Let me know if you want any changes or additions to that. >> Thanks for this! >> Now I can see that it defaluts me as 'assigned to', however I've been >> excluded thus can not receive any message. The test bug has been created >> #460242. Once the comment submitted, I got the message on the top saying; >> >> Changes submitted for bug 460242 >> >> Email sent to: >> karstenwade at gmail.com, stickster at gmail.com, aalam at redhat.com, >> bugbot at landfill.bugzilla.org, kwade at redhat.com >> Excluding: >> noriko at redhat.com >> >> Can you include me in 'Email to be sent to'? >> >> noriko > Changes submitted for bug 460242 > Email sent to: > karstenwade at gmail.com, stickster at gmail.com, aalam at redhat.com, > noriko at redhat.com, bugbot at landfill.bugzilla.org, kwade at redhat.com > Excluding: > dev at nigelj.com > > It's a default thing, (you don't get e-mails for stuff that you do). Yes, you are right. Thanks for helping me on irc. I now am getting them. noriko > > - N.J. >> >>> - Karsten >>> From dev at nigelj.com Mon Sep 1 09:06:14 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:06:14 +1200 Subject: translation-quick-start-guide In-Reply-To: <48BBACFA.1040809@redhat.com> References: <48AF381B.8070201@fedoraproject.org> <48B1FEEB.3040200@redhat.com> <1219686015.4924.25.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48B61044.9050301@redhat.com> <1219902792.16777.7.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> <48BBACFA.1040809@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220259974.3282.6.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 18:51 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > > Nigel Jones ????????: > > On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 12:41 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >> Karsten 'quaid' Wade ????????: > >>> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 10:38 +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > >>> > >>>> I could not notice these bugs, since the default setting of Bugzilla has > >>>> been reset wrongly to exclude me for 'translation-quick-start-guide'. I > >>>> have made the request for correction, so that in the future I should be > >>>> able to receive a message soon as such bug filed, and thus to attend > >>>> prompt manner. > >>> Since I'm a CVS admin, I just made that change. If I did it correctly, > >>> it should propagate within the hour. The default assignment is now set > >>> to 'noriko at redhat.com', the QA to 'aalam at redhat.com', and Cc: includes > >>> 'stickster at gmail.com'. > >>> > >>> Let me know if you want any changes or additions to that. > >> Thanks for this! > >> Now I can see that it defaluts me as 'assigned to', however I've been > >> excluded thus can not receive any message. The test bug has been created > >> #460242. Once the comment submitted, I got the message on the top saying; > >> > >> Changes submitted for bug 460242 > >> > >> Email sent to: > >> karstenwade at gmail.com, stickster at gmail.com, aalam at redhat.com, > >> bugbot at landfill.bugzilla.org, kwade at redhat.com > >> Excluding: > >> noriko at redhat.com > >> > >> Can you include me in 'Email to be sent to'? > >> > >> noriko > > Changes submitted for bug 460242 > > Email sent to: > > karstenwade at gmail.com, stickster at gmail.com, aalam at redhat.com, > > noriko at redhat.com, bugbot at landfill.bugzilla.org, kwade at redhat.com > > Excluding: > > dev at nigelj.com > > > > It's a default thing, (you don't get e-mails for stuff that you do). > Yes, you are right. Thanks for helping me on irc. > I now am getting them. No problem, happy to help! - N.J. > > noriko > > > > > - N.J. > >> > >>> - Karsten > >>> > -- Nigel Jones From fozz at iodynamics.com Mon Sep 1 20:22:13 2008 From: fozz at iodynamics.com (Doran L. Barton) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:22:13 -0600 Subject: Self-introduction: Doran L. Barton (fozz or fozzmoo) Message-ID: <20080901202213.GH3580@iodynamics.com> Hello! I am Doran L. Barton and am known by some online as 'fozz' or 'fozzmoo'. I live in Riverton, UT (USA) which is a suburb of Salt Lake City. I am a graduate of Utah State University with a BS degree in Computer Science and am currently employed by a small Salt Lake City business named KnowledgeBlue where I hold the title of Chief Architect and Director of Technology. Prior to this, I ran a small consultancy specializing in Linux-based solutions for businesses. As a matter of background and history, I began using open source software in the early 1990s while I was an off and on student. I began teaching Unix Administration courses full-time in 1992 and continued to teach part-time or on a contract basis when I returned to my studies. I first used Red Hat Linux in 1995 and continued using it as a server and then as my primary desktop and transitioned into Fedora when the Fedora project was created. My technical background is as a developer and systems administrator. My core competency as a programmer lies in Perl but I have a significant amount of exposure to Java, C, C++, PHP, and, of course, the Unix shell. As a systems administrator, I've gotten my hands dirty with Linux-HA, Sendmail, PostgreSQL, Apache, Tomcat, JBoss, MySQL, Bind, and OpenLDAP. As a user, I primarily use KDE and XFCE. I used to use Gnome and Afterstep, but along the way switched away. I've written a number of Fedora or open source-related articles which have been posted on my personal website or on my blog . My technical writing skill is very good, I think. My "computer" skills are off the charts. I am very good at raw HTML and CSS. I'm not a Javascript or Ajax wizard, but would like to be. Other skills... I do a lot of video editing as a hobby. It's the one thing that keeps Windows on one computer in my office. I met our fearless leader at the Utah Open Source Conference this last weekend and hereby answer his challenge to (finally) get involved as a contributor. I look forward to working with you all. GPG info: pub 1024D/B833AF41 2004-11-16 Key fingerprint = 3DB6 0BA8 1BF7 3F60 F33F 0C0C 7D2C ED99 B833 AF41 uid Doran L. Barton uid Doran L. Barton (Fozziliny G. Moo) uid Doran L. Barton (Fozziliny Moo) sub 2048g/C8E3CD78 2004-11-16 -- fozz at iodynamics.com is Doran L. "Fozz" Barton "Auto Repair Service. Free Pick-up and delivery. Try us once, you'll never go anywhere again." -- Classified ad in newspaper -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So late nights from me means that I don't have any time to work on it. Plus I had a few issues with the docbook stuff and got frustrated when I couldn't fix it. Cheers, Marc From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 22:25:00 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:25:00 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220394300.7309.44.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 18:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Hi Docs Team, Hi John, Thanks for bringing this up. :) > During the Fedora 9 release Paul helped me craft a schedule of docs > tasks which we published here: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-tasks.html > > For the Fedora 10 release I re-worked the underlying TaskJuggler file to > optimize reporting and the ability to allocate resources in the future. > As a result I've lost some of the dependencies that were built in and > am having a hard time reconnecting them. Also as I look at some of the > tasks I'm wondering if they still apply or not. > > I'd love your help reviewing the schedule here: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html > > and telling me: > > 1) Which tasks no longer apply and should be removed > 2) New tasks which should be added > 3) Existing tasks that are wrong > --please provide the task that comes before and after along with the > correct dates so I can build the right dependency logic. Got it, looks like we need to do some bumps based on the new Beta freeze of 09 Sep. I'll attempt to provide new dates as well. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 22:37:32 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:37:32 -0700 Subject: FUG? In-Reply-To: <48BD122A.5090404@mwiriadi.id.au> References: <507738ef0808311116w616f7cf0s1a104a7f73678422@mail.gmail.com> <48BD122A.5090404@mwiriadi.id.au> Message-ID: <1220395052.7309.61.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 18:15 +0800, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: > Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > Hey, > > > > I wondered what was happening with the FUG/DUG these days? And perhaps > > more generally, what was happening with Docs Project? I've only been > > following along loosely, and should probably check the archives, but I > > was thinking about taking a crack at writing some stuff over the next > > few weeks. > > > > Jon > > > > > I was working on it then RL stuff happened as in I started a new job and > had to learn everything as soon as I started feeling comfortable in the > job I hit 'busy' season. So late nights from me means that I don't have > any time to work on it. Plus I had a few issues with the docbook stuff > and got frustrated when I couldn't fix it. We had a new contributor looking at the User Guide the other day, trying it out against Fedora 9, looking for inconsistencies or mistakes. So far, nothing has popped up. So that is finished and ready to convert to DocBook. That's one task. Marc at least needs assistance. Can anyone help? We are using a new wiki2DocBook solution this time, more to come very shortly on that. It is also time to start updating the User Guide on the wiki (at wiki/User_Guide) for Fedora 10, using the Cambridge Beta as a platform for feature changes. Beta is the feature freeze, so we should be able to start basing documentation on that without undue fear of too much changing. As for the due fear, that happens ... (*cough* PackageKit *cough*) That is another task. Jon, that's a good one to work on (aside from anything untouched in Docs/Beats/*, as you are wish.) A third task is thinking about this question and setting a goal from it: Can we open the User_Guide to any contributors, e.g. folks helping in #fedora, having a place to write canonical how-to docs? I can envision that working by having a raw wiki environment, then taking a subset-snapshot of that to run a final edit and conversion to DocBook. The guide writers decided what to polish for each run, ideally increasing the quantity and quality of the XML version from the wiki pool. We can also add content to Category:User_Guide to be picked up in a larger wiki-only aggregation. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From eric at christensenplace.us Wed Sep 3 00:13:58 2008 From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:13:58 -0400 Subject: Week 35 - Linux Security Guide and Linux Deployment Guide In-Reply-To: <1219873488.4924.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1440439510.1320881219872646340.JavaMail.root@zmail01.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <1219873488.4924.253.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48BDD6C6.5000908@christensenplace.us> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Where is this, now? I, too, was confused by the generic documentation path. While certain items are universal, there is a lot of specific items that I've included in the Fedora Security Guide (on the wiki) that would NOT work in Ubuntu. There are areas where the guide is quite specific with commands and such. How is this handled in this new approach? Thanks, Eric E-Mail: sparks at fedoraproject.org GPG Key: D74908ED Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 17:30 -0400, Michael Hideo-Smith wrote: > >> This documentation effort is about Linux, not just Fedora/Red Hat. I'm >> pulling in some writers from Novell-Suse and Ubuntu to contribute to >> these fedora hosted projects. We all agree that the way to make Linux >> survive is to join our lamps together for greater illumination through >> procedural instruction. > > Fair enough, thanks; it just wasn't otherwise clear. > > As we continue, I suppose we'll find a way to sort out the distro > specific pieces to inherit. > > As it stands, considering the difference between OpenSUSE, Debian, and > Fedora, I don't immediately see what the commonality of content will be. > While the general approach to and architecture for deployment and > security might be similar across those three bases (as examples), the > specifics of implementation are highly distro specific. > > Do we need a separate project with the Fedora-specific content? Are you > thinking of combining it in one document base with conditionals? > > - Karsten > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAki91sAACgkQL5V8yddJCO2ryACggN4pdiEqrEFan9I/3q/jNmVT iWQAnjX2lNUkvcMVDuITC5zmBjhiaUJ4 =AUqc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From kwade at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 00:26:48 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:26:48 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 18:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Hi Docs Team, > > For the Fedora 10 release I re-worked the underlying TaskJuggler file to > optimize reporting and the ability to allocate resources in the future. > As a result I've lost some of the dependencies that were built in and > am having a hard time reconnecting them. Also as I look at some of the > tasks I'm wondering if they still apply or not. I was looking for the TaskJuggler source earlier, but I went ahead and used plain ol' text: http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/F10-docs-schedule-notes.txt > I'd love your help reviewing the schedule here: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html Thanks again, this needed doing. :) > and telling me: > > 1) Which tasks no longer apply and should be removed > 2) New tasks which should be added > 3) Existing tasks that are wrong > --please provide the task that comes before and after along with the > correct dates so I can build the right dependency logic. The highlights of what is different: * There is no building of fedora-release-notes RPM for Beta, that is saved for the PR * So L10n is bumped to PR * Only Wiki one-page is done for Beta * Added details about putting up the CMS ** Note aggressive schedule that has not been presented to Websites; may change :) * There is a zero-day (literally) update of docs.fp.o that was missing; I put it in explicitly, including a vacuum of Beats * The RC schedule is mainly unchanged * Beta and PR are mainly changed :) cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't wait for me, please continue down the path you set for yourself. - Mike From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 14:15:44 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:15:44 +0000 Subject: Self-introduction: Doran L. Barton (fozz or fozzmoo) In-Reply-To: <20080901202213.GH3580@iodynamics.com> References: <20080901202213.GH3580@iodynamics.com> Message-ID: <1220451344.18544.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 14:22 -0600, Doran L. Barton wrote: > Hello! > > I am Doran L. Barton and am known by some online as 'fozz' or 'fozzmoo'. I > live in Riverton, UT (USA) which is a suburb of Salt Lake City. I am a > graduate of Utah State University with a BS degree in Computer Science and > am currently employed by a small Salt Lake City business named > KnowledgeBlue where I hold the title of Chief Architect and Director of > Technology. Prior to this, I ran a small consultancy specializing in > Linux-based solutions for businesses. [...snip...] > I met our fearless leader at the Utah Open Source Conference this last > weekend and hereby answer his challenge to (finally) get involved as a > contributor. Right on fozzmoo! (I met Doran at UTOSC and he comes recommended from a number of other people.) I'm really happy to see you here and would love having some help for things like the Installation Guide. The last couple of releases, I basically maintained that guide, but I really need help because my time seems to be in much shorter supply these days. :-) We all hang around Freenode IRC, at #fedora-docs, so come by and introduce yourself there too. We can chat about mechanics (how, where, etc.) for anything you want to do. I'd also recommend, if you're available, you attend the Docs meeting today at 3pm Eastern (1pm Mountain), also on Freenode IRC, at #fedora-meeting. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 18:36:57 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:36:57 -0700 Subject: page renaming spreadsheet Message-ID: <1220467017.7309.111.camel@calliope.phig.org> http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/Renaming_DocsProject_for_MediaWiki.ods When we are done we can dump it to CSV for parsing by wikibot. By doing this once we only create one layer of renaming pages. We can teach search bots only one time. We also get a big picture of all of our pages. All 201 of them. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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I believe Mike is subscribed to this list, so we can get his input when needed. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Sep 3 20:20:57 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Fwd: Re: wiki2docbook] Message-ID: <1220473258.7309.123.camel@calliope.phig.org> FYI. I'm organizing the tasks and testing for how we convert wiki to DocBook XML. If you want to help with it, this is what I know so far from Mike's and Ian's reply. -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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'Linux' seems a little far-reaching, I'm not sure we can get that generic to cover even other RPM-based distros (OpenSUSE, Mandriva for examples.) Clearly an upstream decision; just saying from the sideline. What we do for the Fedora Security Guide in building from the upstream won't have any brand or command confusion. :) Just hoping it's closest to using pristine source in those builds. ;-D Thanks - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also as I look at some of the >> tasks I'm wondering if they still apply or not. > > I was looking for the TaskJuggler source earlier, but I went ahead and > used plain ol' text: > > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/F10-docs-schedule-notes.txt This is perfect! I can very easily update the TJ file using this as a clear guide. Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) John From kwade at redhat.com Thu Sep 4 01:02:13 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 18:02:13 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220490133.7309.159.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 16:00 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 18:13 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > >> Hi Docs Team, > >> > > > >> For the Fedora 10 release I re-worked the underlying TaskJuggler file to > >> optimize reporting and the ability to allocate resources in the future. > >> As a result I've lost some of the dependencies that were built in and > >> am having a hard time reconnecting them. Also as I look at some of the > >> tasks I'm wondering if they still apply or not. > > > > I was looking for the TaskJuggler source earlier, but I went ahead and > > used plain ol' text: > > > > http://quaid.fedorapeople.org/Fedora-Docs/F10-docs-schedule-notes.txt > > This is perfect! I can very easily update the TJ file using this as a > clear guide. > > Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get > those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) Only that we might want the wording to more closely match that in the Beta, with specific mention of the wiki only publishing. I updated this today (without Alpha) and tweaked the wording somewhat, such as clarifying "combing": https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule/10 - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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I believe Mike is subscribed to this > list, so we can get his input when needed. > > - Karsten > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list I am wondering if we should write a more formal AUP and tack it onto FAS account creation. For example, on the last signup page have the AUP text and a "by clicking continue/finish you agree to these terms/policies.." clause. The AUP should ideally outline reasons for account termination, revocation of some/all privileges, etc..My $0.02... -Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 17:27:25 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:27:25 +0000 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <1220544415.4220.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1220544415.4220.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Message-ID: <1220549245.7673.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 12:06 -0400, Jason wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 11:50 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Any comments on this? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > > > Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > > > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > > > > Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > > send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > > list, so we can get his input when needed. > > > > - Karsten > > -- > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To unsubscribe: > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > I am wondering if we should write a more formal AUP and tack it onto FAS > account creation. For example, on the last signup page have the AUP text > and a "by clicking continue/finish you agree to these terms/policies.." > clause. The AUP should ideally outline reasons for account termination, > revocation of some/all privileges, etc..My $0.02... On the one hand, I know there are a handful of courtesies and rules that would make sense for Infrastructure to establish. But on the other hand we don't want to get regulation-happy in Fedora. The freedom to experiment needs to be preserved, and if that means we have to confront the odd situation where someone is breaking the system a bit, we can do a limited number of ad-hoc fixes. With an AUP I would be concerned that we would make the rules too tight and shut off an otherwise acceptable (if unplanned) use. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 20:14:38 2008 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:14:38 -0400 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <1220549245.7673.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1220544415.4220.3.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <1220549245.7673.62.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1220559278.17096.5.camel@bruiser.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 17:27 +0000, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 12:06 -0400, Jason wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 11:50 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > > Any comments on this? > > > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > > > > > Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > > > > > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > > > > > > Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > > > send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > > > list, so we can get his input when needed. > > > > > > - Karsten > > > -- > > > fedora-docs-list mailing list > > > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > > To unsubscribe: > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > > > > I am wondering if we should write a more formal AUP and tack it onto FAS > > account creation. For example, on the last signup page have the AUP text > > and a "by clicking continue/finish you agree to these terms/policies.." > > clause. The AUP should ideally outline reasons for account termination, > > revocation of some/all privileges, etc..My $0.02... > > On the one hand, I know there are a handful of courtesies and rules that > would make sense for Infrastructure to establish. But on the other hand > we don't want to get regulation-happy in Fedora. The freedom to > experiment needs to be preserved, and if that means we have to confront > the odd situation where someone is breaking the system a bit, we can do > a limited number of ad-hoc fixes. With an AUP I would be concerned that > we would make the rules too tight and shut off an otherwise acceptable > (if unplanned) use. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list I was thinking of something like the Account Termination footnote above just maybe cleaned up a little? I agree, a long-winded, legalese type doc would be overkill and against our general principles as a project. I think a general this-is-how-we-play-well-with-others paragraph and if you don't play well with others, we will be throwing you to the lions type thing... I just thought the short paragraph about account termination sort of appears out of nowhere with no background..If it's just me being odd, so be it... :) -Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Sat Sep 6 16:30:35 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 09:30:35 -0700 Subject: User Guide for Fedora 10 Message-ID: <1220718635.20843.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> Fact checking the F9 content and beginning work on the F10 content are great contributions for new and experienced contributors. I took a few minutes to start up these pages to follow the new wiki structure guidelines[1]. One new contributor, Kishan, was looking to start on a project like this, and the rest of you are invited to join in. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide_tasks One of the first tasks needing doing is for someone to create the new pages (using the links on the above pages), populating it with the F9 content from Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/ChapterName. Once we get all this rolling and some other task management out of the way, hopefully by the middle of next week, I am going to finish the XML conversion and publish the F9 User Guide. What a delay! But it is still worth it, good content for ~9 months. We'll put it out for translation, then post those translations as they become available. Thanks to those who have put so much work into the F9 version. - Karsten [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Developer Community Mgr. 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One new contributor, Kishan, was looking to start on a > project like this, and the rest of you are invited to join in. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide_tasks > > One of the first tasks needing doing is for someone to create the new > pages (using the links on the above pages), populating it with the F9 > content from Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/ChapterName. > > Once we get all this rolling and some other task management out of the > way, hopefully by the middle of next week, I am going to finish the XML > conversion and publish the F9 User Guide. What a delay! But it is > still worth it, good content for ~9 months. We'll put it out for > translation, then post those translations as they become available. > Thanks to those who have put so much work into the F9 version. > > - Karsten > > [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_structure The screenshots need to be verified and updated if I remember correctly. Apart from that the xml was the issue for me so good luck. Cheers, Marc From jonrob at fedoraproject.org Sun Sep 7 08:13:49 2008 From: jonrob at fedoraproject.org (Jonathan Roberts) Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:13:49 +0100 Subject: User Guide for Fedora 10 In-Reply-To: <1220718635.20843.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1220718635.20843.14.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <507738ef0809070113n63cbcb2fv12e24ad59ad26822@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/6 Karsten 'quaid' Wade : > Fact checking the F9 content and beginning work on the F10 content are > great contributions for new and experienced contributors. I took a few > minutes to start up these pages to follow the new wiki structure > guidelines[1]. One new contributor, Kishan, was looking to start on a > project like this, and the rest of you are invited to join in. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide_tasks > > One of the first tasks needing doing is for someone to create the new > pages (using the links on the above pages), populating it with the F9 > content from Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/ChapterName. Done, but I didn't bother to import the stuff about Pirut and Pup... Jon From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Sun Sep 7 21:55:33 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 07:55:33 +1000 Subject: using public domain documents in fedorahosted projects Message-ID: <95f1114b0809071455t18e9ea2scb7d2689df72dce5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, states: '7. Should you wish to submit work that is not your original creation, you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or other restriction (including, but not limited to, related patents, trademarks, and license agreements) of which you are personally aware, and conspicuously marking the work as "Submitted on behalf of a third-party: [named here] ". ' Does this apply to fedorahosted projects as well? Does this mean I can not use/copy+paste text from a public domain document (even if it is cited) if it is going to be stored on fedorahosted? Cheers. From ccurran at redhat.com Mon Sep 8 04:24:24 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:24:24 +1000 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > Any comments on this? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > > Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > list, so we can get his input when needed. > > - Karsten > Line 2: These freedoms, however, do not include the right to deceive, manipulate or otherwise *change* the processes and procedures Fedora has in place. So the rules can never change, those with power never leave and anyone who questions them is out? I'd consider revising to make it less transcendental and more concrete. Add detailed boundaries of what is wrong and why it is harmful. For example: vandalism, deliberately creating security issues, self promotion, harassment, and so on. Chris From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 12:21:12 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 12:21:12 +0000 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220876472.15677.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 14:24 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > Any comments on this? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > > > Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > > > > [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > > [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > > > > Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > > send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > > list, so we can get his input when needed. > > > > - Karsten > > > Line 2: > > These freedoms, however, do not include the right to deceive, > manipulate or otherwise *change* the processes and procedures Fedora > has in place. > > > So the rules can never change, those with power never leave and anyone > who questions them is out? I'd consider revising to make it less > transcendental and more concrete. Add detailed boundaries of what is > wrong and why it is harmful. For example: vandalism, deliberately > creating security issues, self promotion, harassment, and so on. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination I made a couple changes -- see if that helps. I am not necessarily in favor of detailing specific violations because our definitions may differ (or be incorrect). I don't believe it's vital that we do so, either, in order to retain the rights to terminate accounts. Nevertheless, I'm going to shoot a note to Fedora Legal to see whether any further text might be required. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 8 15:49:45 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:49:45 +0000 Subject: using public domain documents in fedorahosted projects In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0809071455t18e9ea2scb7d2689df72dce5@mail.gmail.com> References: <95f1114b0809071455t18e9ea2scb7d2689df72dce5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220888985.15677.197.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 07:55 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Hi, > > states: > > '7. Should you wish to submit work that is not your original creation, > you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, > identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or > other restriction (including, but not limited to, related patents, > trademarks, and license agreements) of which you are personally aware, > and conspicuously marking the work as "Submitted on behalf of a > third-party: [named here] ". ' > > Does this apply to fedorahosted projects as well? Does this mean I can > not use/copy+paste text from a public domain document (even if it is > cited) if it is going to be stored on fedorahosted? This probably belongs on fedora-legal-list; moving the discussion there. Certainly there is nothing actually *barring* you from submitting a public domain work, and the CLA is not intended to do that either. I think the intent of this paragraph is to ensure contributors meet their obligations when submitting work that has some sort of restrictive license attached, and the contributor isn't also copyright holder. We are working on a draft for a new and clearer CLA, so if nothing else this is a point we should be addressing therein. -- Paul W. Frields ("IANAL, TINLA, blah blah blah.") gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ccurran at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 00:31:59 2008 From: ccurran at redhat.com (Christopher Curran) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 10:31:59 +1000 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <1220876472.15677.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> <1220876472.15677.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <48C5C3FF.3090100@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 14:24 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > >> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: >> >>> Any comments on this? >>> >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination >>> >>> Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. >>> >>> [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html >>> [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html >>> >>> Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or >>> send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this >>> list, so we can get his input when needed. >>> >>> - Karsten >>> >>> >> Line 2: >> >> These freedoms, however, do not include the right to deceive, >> manipulate or otherwise *change* the processes and procedures Fedora >> has in place. >> >> >> So the rules can never change, those with power never leave and anyone >> who questions them is out? I'd consider revising to make it less >> transcendental and more concrete. Add detailed boundaries of what is >> wrong and why it is harmful. For example: vandalism, deliberately >> creating security issues, self promotion, harassment, and so on. >> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > I made a couple changes -- see if that helps. I am not necessarily in > favor of detailing specific violations because our definitions may > differ (or be incorrect). I don't believe it's vital that we do so, > either, in order to retain the rights to terminate accounts. > Nevertheless, I'm going to shoot a note to Fedora Legal to see whether > any further text might be required. > > There is still a lot of fake legalese verbosity in the paragraph. Most people don't speak legalese, many have no understanding what you are on about after you start speaking it. Sum it up. ----- Fedora project reserves the right to terminate accounts used maliciously. Accounts may be terminated for: * maliciously violating or circumventing fedora project's procedures. * using multiple accounts without permission. * deliberate damage to the openness, transparency, and equality of the fedora project. ----- That's about all that needs to be there anything else is just padding. Don't use ten words for something you can say in two. Chris From petersen at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 01:49:31 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 21:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: docs beat format In-Reply-To: <1391478107.1058011220924711789.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <374786773.1058251220924971506.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Hi, I was trying to clean up the docs beat hierarchy a little so that the the contents list looks right. What should the default toplevel header be in a docs beat page? I mean level 1 ("= Beat Title =") or level 2 ("== Beat Title ==")? It looks to me like it should probably be "==" but some pages are using "=". It would be nice to make it consistent to make it easy to browse the docs beats page and encourage more people to contribute. Thanks, Jens From petersen at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 02:47:58 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 22:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: docs beat format In-Reply-To: <374786773.1058251220924971506.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> > What should the default toplevel header be in a docs beat page? I > mean level 1 ("= Beat Title =") or level 2 ("== Beat Title ==")? It > looks to me like it should probably be "==" but some pages are using > "=". Working on this assumption I went ahead cleaned up the docs beats page so that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats looks ok to me now. Hope that is ok and I didn't step on any toes... :) Cheers, Jens From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Sep 9 04:26:35 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:26:35 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: <1220490133.7309.159.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> <1220490133.7309.159.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <48C5FAFB.4030801@redhat.com> Karsten 'quaid' Wade said the following on 09/03/2008 06:02 PM Pacific Time: > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 16:00 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: >> Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get >> those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) > > Only that we might want the wording to more closely match that in the > Beta, with specific mention of the wiki only publishing. > > I updated this today (without Alpha) and tweaked the wording somewhat, > such as clarifying "combing": > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule/10 > > - Karsten > Here is the latest revision: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html It does not reflect the proposed slip of beta and feature freeze by two days. Let me know if you see anything else that should be fixed. Thanks for helping me get this tuned up. John From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 14:04:21 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:04:21 +0000 Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <48C5C3FF.3090100@redhat.com> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> <1220876472.15677.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C5C3FF.3090100@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220969061.6904.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:31 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 14:24 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > > > >> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > >> > >>> Any comments on this? > >>> > >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > >>> > >>> Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > >>> > >>> [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > >>> [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > >>> > >>> Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > >>> send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > >>> list, so we can get his input when needed. > >>> > >>> - Karsten > >>> > >>> > >> Line 2: > >> > >> These freedoms, however, do not include the right to deceive, > >> manipulate or otherwise *change* the processes and procedures Fedora > >> has in place. > >> > >> > >> So the rules can never change, those with power never leave and anyone > >> who questions them is out? I'd consider revising to make it less > >> transcendental and more concrete. Add detailed boundaries of what is > >> wrong and why it is harmful. For example: vandalism, deliberately > >> creating security issues, self promotion, harassment, and so on. > >> > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > > > I made a couple changes -- see if that helps. I am not necessarily in > > favor of detailing specific violations because our definitions may > > differ (or be incorrect). I don't believe it's vital that we do so, > > either, in order to retain the rights to terminate accounts. > > Nevertheless, I'm going to shoot a note to Fedora Legal to see whether > > any further text might be required. > > > > > There is still a lot of fake legalese verbosity in the paragraph. Most > people don't speak legalese, many have no understanding what you are on > about after you start speaking it. Sum it up. > ----- > Fedora project reserves the right to terminate accounts used > maliciously. Accounts may be terminated for: > * maliciously violating or circumventing fedora project's procedures. > * using multiple accounts without permission. > * deliberate damage to the openness, transparency, and equality of the > fedora project. > ----- > That's about all that needs to be there anything else is just padding. > Don't use ten words for something you can say in two. Good points all. I take it you're not inclined to exercise the power of wiki editing for some reason then? ;-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 14:09:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:09:19 +0000 Subject: docs beat format In-Reply-To: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220969359.6904.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 22:47 -0400, Jens Petersen wrote: > > What should the default toplevel header be in a docs beat page? I > > mean level 1 ("= Beat Title =") or level 2 ("== Beat Title ==")? It > > looks to me like it should probably be "==" but some pages are using > > "=". > > Working on this assumption I went ahead cleaned up the docs beats page > so that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats looks ok to me now. > Hope that is ok and I didn't step on any toes... :) There were some problems converting these beat pages to DocBook XML in the past that required some nonstandard heading usage in the beat pages. I'm not sure if those same problems are going to crop up again with a new release notes conversion process (python-mwlib), but I suppose we'll find out! I think we ought to solve these transparently in the back end rather than inflicting weird hacky requirements on the wiki where we want more people contributing. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Tue Sep 9 15:16:27 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:16:27 -0400 Subject: docs beat format References: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <1220969359.6904.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <008201c9128f$07974ff0$14c8662c@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "For participants of the Documentation Project" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: docs beat format > I think we ought to solve these transparently in > the back end rather than inflicting weird hacky > requirements on the wiki where we want more people > contributing. I agree we should probably avoid "weird hacky rquirements" but I don't think we have to totally discard the need for some simple, well-publicised conventions. --McD From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 9 16:37:58 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:37:58 -0400 Subject: docs beat format In-Reply-To: <008201c9128f$07974ff0$14c8662c@Aidan> References: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <1220969359.6904.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> <008201c9128f$07974ff0$14c8662c@Aidan> Message-ID: <1220978278.22590.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 11:16 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul W. Frields" > To: "For participants of the Documentation Project" > > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: docs beat format > > > I think we ought to solve these transparently in > > the back end rather than inflicting weird hacky > > requirements on the wiki where we want more people > > contributing. > > I agree we should probably avoid "weird hacky rquirements" but I don't think > we have to totally discard the need for some simple, well-publicised > conventions. Since I'm one of the folks who was involved in said weird hacky requirements previously, note that wasn't directed at other people. In other words, I'm trying to learn from a previous mistake. ;-) We do have conventions on the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing#Structure_of_a_Wiki_Page -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Tue Sep 9 17:50:22 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 13:50:22 -0400 Subject: docs beat format References: <1794822747.1062241220928478623.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> <1220969359.6904.102.camel@localhost.localdomain> <008201c9128f$07974ff0$14c8662c@Aidan> <1220978278.22590.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <010601c912a4$8822ac40$14c8662c@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" To: "John J. McDonough" ; "For participants of the Documentation Project" Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: Re: docs beat format > Since I'm one of the folks who was involved in said weird hacky > requirements previously, note that wasn't directed at other people. In > other words, I'm trying to learn from a previous mistake. ;-) I just didn't want you to go crazy trying to be all things to all people! Personally I probably wouldn't have all that much trouble with weird hacky requirements as long as I knew what they were, although I would prefer to see things be somewhat "natural". But as an old "standards" guy, I understand, heck embrace, the need for consistency, too. --McD From petersen at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 00:25:28 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 20:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: docs beat format In-Reply-To: <1220978278.22590.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <186722902.1546911221006328358.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Help:Editing#Structure_of_a_Wiki_Page Thanks that agrees with what I thought that Level 1 headers are deprecated. Cheers, jens From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Sep 10 02:43:41 2008 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 21:43:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: review for user account policy In-Reply-To: <1220969061.6904.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220467808.7309.117.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48C4A8F8.2040503@redhat.com> <1220876472.15677.55.camel@localhost.localdomain> <48C5C3FF.3090100@redhat.com> <1220969061.6904.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:31 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 14:24 +1000, Christopher Curran wrote: > > > > > >> Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > >> > > >>> Any comments on this? > > >>> > > >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > >>> > > >>> Mike is setting some policy[1] as per a thread on f-advisory-board[2]. > > >>> > > >>> [1] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-September/msg00001.html > > >>> [2] http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-August/msg00122.html > > >>> > > >>> Feel free to edit that content if you see something that is clear, or > > >>> send your comments back here. I believe Mike is subscribed to this > > >>> list, so we can get his input when needed. > > >>> > > >>> - Karsten > > >>> > > >>> > > >> Line 2: > > >> > > >> These freedoms, however, do not include the right to deceive, > > >> manipulate or otherwise *change* the processes and procedures Fedora > > >> has in place. > > >> > > >> > > >> So the rules can never change, those with power never leave and anyone > > >> who questions them is out? I'd consider revising to make it less > > >> transcendental and more concrete. Add detailed boundaries of what is > > >> wrong and why it is harmful. For example: vandalism, deliberately > > >> creating security issues, self promotion, harassment, and so on. > > >> > > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/AccountSystem#Account_Termination > > > > > > I made a couple changes -- see if that helps. I am not necessarily in > > > favor of detailing specific violations because our definitions may > > > differ (or be incorrect). I don't believe it's vital that we do so, > > > either, in order to retain the rights to terminate accounts. > > > Nevertheless, I'm going to shoot a note to Fedora Legal to see whether > > > any further text might be required. > > > > > > > > There is still a lot of fake legalese verbosity in the paragraph. Most > > people don't speak legalese, many have no understanding what you are on > > about after you start speaking it. Sum it up. > > ----- > > Fedora project reserves the right to terminate accounts used > > maliciously. Accounts may be terminated for: > > * maliciously violating or circumventing fedora project's procedures. > > * using multiple accounts without permission. > > * deliberate damage to the openness, transparency, and equality of the > > fedora project. > > ----- > > That's about all that needs to be there anything else is just padding. > > Don't use ten words for something you can say in two. > > Good points all. I take it you're not inclined to exercise the power of > wiki editing for some reason then? ;-) > Hey guys, thanks for the comments. I'm not a fan of 'written approval' for multiple accounts. Especially not when its stated that they will be removed, its not enforcable. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 10 18:54:19 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:54:19 +0000 Subject: Meeting room change Message-ID: <1221072859.14078.139.camel@localhost.localdomain> At least for today, Karsten said we're going to meet in #fedora-meeting-1 on IRC Freenode at 1900 UTC for the regular Fedora Docs meeting. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields) Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:40:30 +0000 Subject: Importing Docs CVS modules to git Message-ID: <1221237631.10226.158.camel@localhost.localdomain> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Importing_Docs_CVS_modules_to_git This might be helpful in the days to come. It needs to be linked from somewhere(s) visible, but I'm about to leave the keyboard for a bit and was hoping someone could scope the right places out and add links. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join Best wishes -- Oisin Feeley http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/OisinFeeley From fabhoneydew at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 16:59:14 2008 From: fabhoneydew at gmail.com (kishan goyal) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:29:14 +0530 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <9f45b2730809150959t4fc33858p7576652347369d86@mail.gmail.com> On 9/15/08, fedora-docs-list-request at redhat.com wrote: > Send fedora-docs-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-docs-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-docs-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of fedora-docs-list digest..." > Hello everyone... I'm Kishan Goyal, currently pursuing a B.Tech. in Computer Science discipline. I have been recently introduced to Fedora and would like to contribute my part in it. I would be more than happy to work with the Documentation team and contribute my bit in it. Also, being a newbie, I wouldn't mind some assistance from all you people out there. Thanks, Kishan Goyal From narendra.sisodiya at gmail.com Mon Sep 15 17:03:27 2008 From: narendra.sisodiya at gmail.com (narendra sisodiya) Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:33:27 +0530 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <9f45b2730809150959t4fc33858p7576652347369d86@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f45b2730809150959t4fc33858p7576652347369d86@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Is there any documentation for newbies for getting start on ways if contribution !! 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For the past few days, I have been trying to copy over the content from the Fedora 9 manual to the new manual for Fedora 10. I think most (almost everything) is done and I would be more than happy to receive some feedback. Being a newbie, I am still not that confident enough and also nervous that unintentionally, I might ruin something. So, please people... Waiting for any kind of feedback, Kishan Goyal. From kanarip at kanarip.com Wed Sep 17 11:55:48 2008 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:55:48 +0200 Subject: Course Materials Message-ID: <48D0F044.6090000@kanarip.com> Because I'm giving a couple of courses and can barely find good materials (books, presentation materials, pre-assessment questionnaires, etc), I'm now writing my own, which I use at the courses that I give. They end up in a GIT repository on fedorahosted.org[1], obviously licensed GPL-compliant. In addition, the course materials strongly focus on Fedora, the Fedora way, and how to (try and) achieve the same thing with other distributions. A brief overview of the courses I'm sticking in there now; - A Basic Course Two days of getting acquainted with the Linux Operating System. - An Advanced Course Again two days, but getting the candidate to a level where he/she can deploy Linux in a (SOHO) "business" environment. Samba server, router/firewall, webserver, virtualization, etc. - A Senior Course Track At the fastest possible pace, this course track covers 13 weeks in which time candidates will rise to the level of LPI's Level 2 Certification (equals Intermediate Administrator in their terms). - A RHCE training course track This one obviously hasn't settled yet... But it's getting there as I go along and give the course anyway. You can look at a sneak preview[2] to see if it's anything you like, and the question I wanted to put on this list is whether maybe people are interested in contributing. To be clear, you can contribute anything, even if it's just a tiny paragraph on Foo, clarifying why/how it's not Bar. Thank you in advance, Kind regards, Jeroen van Meeuwen -kanarip [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=courses.git [2] http://www.kanarip.com/courses/ From invite+a2bgqesn at facebookmail.com Wed Sep 17 14:06:11 2008 From: invite+a2bgqesn at facebookmail.com (Kishan Goyal) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 07:06:11 -0700 Subject: Check out my Facebook profile Message-ID: <9861a294eb133f0fd74b300bb6fa8a6b@www.new.facebook.com> I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. ---------- hi frnd ... cum join me on facebook...its awsum!!!... hope to see u thr... bye... luv....kishan ---------- Thanks, Kishan Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=731690959&k=YY1YQVUSVW4M5BECRJWZVT&r&v=2 ___________________ This e-mail may contain promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?u=1013388670&k=def5e0 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabhoneydew at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:36:18 2008 From: fabhoneydew at gmail.com (kishan goyal) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:06:18 +0530 Subject: I am extremely sorry. Message-ID: <9f45b2730809171036s632bb0afsf272b89c3d1203c8@mail.gmail.com> I, Kishan Goyal hereby apologize to the Documentation team, each and every member of it for my silly actions. I was inviting my friends to join me in Facebook and imported the contacts from my email account .Unknowingly, I have sent an invite to the mailing list. Once again, I apologize to one and all for my foolishness and carelesness begging for forgiveness from your side...Guess I had to learn it the hard way! Thanking You, Kishan Goyal. From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 17 17:47:15 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:47:15 -0400 Subject: I am extremely sorry. In-Reply-To: <9f45b2730809171036s632bb0afsf272b89c3d1203c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9f45b2730809171036s632bb0afsf272b89c3d1203c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1221673635.10521.29.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 23:06 +0530, kishan goyal wrote: > I, Kishan Goyal hereby apologize to the Documentation team, each and > every member of it for my silly actions. > I was inviting my friends to join me in Facebook and imported the > contacts from my email account .Unknowingly, I have sent an invite to > the mailing list. > > Once again, I apologize to one and all for my foolishness and > carelesness begging for forgiveness from your side...Guess I had to > learn it the hard way! Please don't worry about it too much Kishan. Things like this sometimes happen and no one is the worse for wear. :-) -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kevin.kofler at chello.at Thu Sep 18 18:28:15 2008 From: kevin.kofler at chello.at (Kevin Kofler) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 18:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: John Poelstra redhat.com> writes: > Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get > those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) Coming from a developer / beat writer standpoint here: One thing which should be clearer is when exactly the beats stop targeting Fn release note errata and start targeting Fn+1 (currently n=9). Because we want to make sure our changes for Fn+1 end up in the Fn+1 release notes, but we don't want them in the Fn release note errata! And if the point where we're targeting F10 already happened, then can the wiki please be fixed not to refer to F9 all over the Docs/Beats front page? This is something I already complained about in the F9 cycle. Another thing I wonder is: are the one-page release notes for the alpha and beta releases really a good idea? Because the thing is, they're intended to save us work so we can get the first release notes done more quickly, but in practice they're actually extra work, because we have to write everything twice, once in a short form for the one-page notes and once in a detailed form in the beats. For some features (like KDE 4.0 was in F9), there's also no way to fit in all the important stuff into the one page (or else more than half of it would have been KDE stuff ;-) ). I'd rather have just written the full beats right away (but couldn't because they were still targeting F8 errata, and they wouldn't have been used anyway). Kevin Kofler From poelstra at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 06:05:21 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:05:21 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48D34121.3080101@redhat.com> Kevin Kofler said the following on 09/18/2008 11:28 AM Pacific Time: > John Poelstra redhat.com> writes: >> Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get >> those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) > > Coming from a developer / beat writer standpoint here: One thing which should > be clearer is when exactly the beats stop targeting Fn release note errata and > start targeting Fn+1 (currently n=9). Because we want to make sure our changes > for Fn+1 end up in the Fn+1 release notes, but we don't want them in the Fn > release note errata! And if the point where we're targeting F10 already > happened, then can the wiki please be fixed not to refer to F9 all over the > Docs/Beats front page? This is something I already complained about in the F9 > cycle. > I'm all ears. If someone can provide the new dates and idea behind them (what they are based on) I can add them. One of these views might provide helpful perspective. http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-releng-tasks.html John From kwade at redhat.com Fri Sep 19 09:15:10 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 02:15:10 -0700 Subject: Fedora 10 Docs Schedule In-Reply-To: References: <48B74D2E.4050409@redhat.com> <1220401608.7309.82.camel@calliope.phig.org> <48BF16F0.3050206@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1221815710.29225.41.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 18:28 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote: > John Poelstra redhat.com> writes: > > Did you have any comments on the tasks prior to Beta? I'd like to get > > those right too so that building F11 is on auto-pilot :) > > Coming from a developer / beat writer standpoint here: One thing which should > be clearer is when exactly the beats stop targeting Fn release note errata and > start targeting Fn+1 (currently n=9). Because we want to make sure our changes > for Fn+1 end up in the Fn+1 release notes, but we don't want them in the Fn > release note errata! And if the point where we're targeting F10 already > happened, then can the wiki please be fixed not to refer to F9 all over the > Docs/Beats front page? This is something I already complained about in the F9 > cycle. Where does it refer to F9? That is, is it just content that needs updating, or is it some kind of direction about what version the work refers to? Old content in various beats may hang around in Docs/Beats/ until the clean-up for the Preview Release. Sub-optimal, yes. Sorry it's unclear when we stop using Docs/Beats for errata. The idea is, once we begin working on the release notes for the next release in any fashion, the content is clearly rolling over to Fn+1. There definitely needs to be a clear date for when that happens. > Another thing I wonder is: are the one-page release notes for the alpha and > beta releases really a good idea? Because the thing is, they're intended to > save us work so we can get the first release notes done more quickly, but in > practice they're actually extra work, because we have to write everything > twice, once in a short form for the one-page notes and once in a detailed form > in the beats. For some features (like KDE 4.0 was in F9), there's also no way > to fit in all the important stuff into the one page (or else more than half of > it would have been KDE stuff ;-) ). I'd rather have just written the full beats > right away (but couldn't because they were still targeting F8 errata, and they > wouldn't have been used anyway). "It depends." In your case, I'd recommend putting in a pointer: "KDE is hugely different. For more information, refer to the in-progress full release notes page: http://.../Docs/Beats/KDE" It's an evolving process, it definitely can use improvements. However, it is much better than doing multiple conversions to XML or trying to have all of the Docs/Beats in viewable shape by Alpha. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Community Relations Guy Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That means the content here: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide_tasks ... actually needs updating to _F9_. This gives us a reasonable path. Work to update the content for F9 moves it more toward F10. If we can get the F9 version out soon enough, we can begin working on the F10 version. If we get enough hands to help, we can do them in parallel with coordination. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Community Relations Guy Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One new contributor, Kishan, was looking to start on a > > project like this, and the rest of you are invited to join in. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_Guide_tasks > > > > One of the first tasks needing doing is for someone to create the new > > pages (using the links on the above pages), populating it with the F9 > > content from Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide/ChapterName. > > Done, but I didn't bother to import the stuff about Pirut and Pup... Thanks, yes, we'll add a new chapter on PackageKit. I put up a stub for User_Guide-Software_Management. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Community Relations Guy Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have no idea what I'm talking about, visit: https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes Or for introductory-level help with git so you can get involved, look at: https://fedorahosted.org/release-notes/wiki/HowToHelp Git is not scary, I promise! Doing easy things like we did in CVS is just as easy in git. It's just that there are a billion more cool things we can do down the road. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From danielsmw at gmail.com Sat Sep 20 16:50:28 2008 From: danielsmw at gmail.com (Matthew Daniels) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 12:50:28 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Matthew Daniels Message-ID: <17cd57cf0809200950r3f7cf422te0c73bd5cb61cd88@mail.gmail.com> Hey everyone, My name is Matthew Daniels and I'm an undergraduate studying Physics and Astronomy at Clemson University, although my hometown is Charleston, SC. I've been using Linux as my primary OS for about 5 years now, and I've been using Fedora since FC6 came out in '06. I actually have done a little bit of contract programming, and my coding skills are mediocre. I'm comfortable is Perl and Java, and can, for the most part, hold my own in C and Python. But, this is probably not sufficient for making large-scale contributions to the Fedora Project. However, I regard myself a pretty good writer, and I recently realized that I actually kind of enjoy writing program documentation. So, since Fedora -- and Linux, in general -- have been so good to me, I've made it one of my personal goals as of late to start trying to give back to the OSS community. I felt that actually joining a project and getting my hands dirty would be a good way to do it. Accordingly, this is my first time contributing to a project like this. In the future, I think I may also wish to become a Fedora Ambassador and try to push Fedora with Clemson's Linux User Group, since they're sorta just stuck on Ubuntu right now. But for now, I'd like to take things one step at a time, and contribute to the fedora-docs group as much as possible. Hopefully, you guys have something I can do; even if it's just cleaning up broken links for now, that's fine. I just want to help. So... that's my self introduction! If I missed anything, or if anyone has any questions, please don't hesitate to email me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pub 1024D/5C0D4723 2008-09-20 [expires: 2009-09-20] Key fingerprint = E9E5 3017 C4A6 1813 A0A9 6D49 84AD EB20 5C0D 4723 uid Matthew Daniels (danielsmw) sub 2048g/94106677 2008-09-20 [expires: 2009-09-20] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers, Matthew Daniels -- _____________________________ Reply To: danielsmw at gmail.com From david.nalley at fedoraproject.org Sat Sep 20 18:16:15 2008 From: david.nalley at fedoraproject.org (David Nalley) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 14:16:15 -0400 Subject: Self Introduction: Matthew Daniels In-Reply-To: <17cd57cf0809200950r3f7cf422te0c73bd5cb61cd88@mail.gmail.com> References: <17cd57cf0809200950r3f7cf422te0c73bd5cb61cd88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Matthew Daniels wrote: > Hey everyone, > > My name is Matthew Daniels and I'm an undergraduate studying Physics > and Astronomy at Clemson University, although my hometown is > Charleston, SC. I've been using Linux as my primary OS for about 5 > years now, and I've been using Fedora since FC6 came out in '06. > > I actually have done a little bit of contract programming, and my > coding skills are mediocre. I'm comfortable is Perl and Java, and > can, for the most part, hold my own in C and Python. But, this is > probably not sufficient for making large-scale contributions to the > Fedora Project. However, I regard myself a pretty good writer, and I > recently realized that I actually kind of enjoy writing program > documentation. So, since Fedora -- and Linux, in general -- have been > so good to me, I've made it one of my personal goals as of late to > start trying to give back to the OSS community. I felt that actually > joining a project and getting my hands dirty would be a good way to do > it. > > Accordingly, this is my first time contributing to a project like > this. In the future, I think I may also wish to become a Fedora > Ambassador and try to push Fedora with Clemson's Linux User Group, > since they're sorta just stuck on Ubuntu right now. But for now, I'd > like to take things one step at a time, and contribute to the > fedora-docs group as much as possible. Hopefully, you guys have > something I can do; even if it's just cleaning up broken links for > now, that's fine. I just want to help. > > So... that's my self introduction! If I missed anything, or if anyone > has any questions, please don't hesitate to email me. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > pub 1024D/5C0D4723 2008-09-20 [expires: 2009-09-20] > Key fingerprint = E9E5 3017 C4A6 1813 A0A9 6D49 84AD EB20 5C0D 4723 > uid Matthew Daniels (danielsmw) > sub 2048g/94106677 2008-09-20 [expires: 2009-09-20] > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Cheers, > Matthew Daniels > -- Hi Matthew, Welcome and thanks for getting involved. A couple of links which you may have already seen: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_content_tasks_for_new_contributors http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wiki_gardening_tasks Are some of the easier Welcome. I am glad to see another South Carolinian get involved. From elizabeth at eawestwriting.com Sun Sep 21 02:42:03 2008 From: elizabeth at eawestwriting.com (Elizabeth Ann West) Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:42:03 -0400 Subject: Intro of Elizabeth Ann West Message-ID: <1221964923.10928.18.camel@lb-laptop> Hello all, I am Elizabeth Ann West, a new contributor to the Fedora Documentation Project recruited by David Nalley. I am the Chief Data Collector of the Charleston, SC Linus Users Group. I met David Nalley when he represented Fedora at our Linux Demo Day last weekend. It was pretty successful as our first one, we had about 60 people show up, and we had a number of computers setup for visitors to play with hands on. I made the switch to Linux in April, using Ubuntu. I have the Fedora 9 CD and like what I saw. In the next few days I will be triple booting my computer. I have to keep XP on my laptop due to work, as it is the only machine in the house with Windows. I am a professional web content writer by trade. I am a Tech Jock at filetonic.com where I answer general and Microsoft computing questions. I try to write in a way for all to understand the more technical aspects of computing, while also empowering them to take more control over their systems. Though I hold a degree in Political Science with a minor in English Literature from Christopher Newport University in Newport News, VA, I have a strong math and science background. I broke my Dad's heart the day I told him I wasn't going to become an engineer. I will be mainly focusing on editing the documentation in existence, bringing it up to a more professional publishing standard. I would like to say if I happen to change your document, I do my best to explain every change in comments so you understand it is nothing personal. I notice the most common communication barrier in the documentation is just a lack of editing for clarity. I see many sentences with dead weight words muddling the original message of the author. I edit from a mechanical point of view. Every word in a sentence to me is a mechanical entity, linked together to make the sentence train. If a word isn't pulling its weight, it's cut. I also look for crutch words and phrases--repeated use of the same words through out a page. All of these things I do myself whenever I write a first draft, and I must force myself to go back through my own writing with my red pencil. I do want to say overall the content in the Fedora Documentation Project is impressive. I wouldn't be able to make many of the edits I have so far if the original content was not of a robust, high quality. Right now I am working on the style guide to become immersed in the overall writing style. Thank you all for having me as part of the team. Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions about specific grammar rules or writing questions. I am more than happy to help where I can, and I am thankful to finally have a way to contribute back to the open source community I have grown to adore. Always Smiling, Elizabeth Ann West Always Smiling, Elizabeth Ann West E. A. West Writing Services "The best in affordable and quality writing services." www.eawestwriting.com From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:17:40 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:17:40 -0500 Subject: Intro of Elizabeth Ann West In-Reply-To: <1221964923.10928.18.camel@lb-laptop> References: <1221964923.10928.18.camel@lb-laptop> Message-ID: <20080921201740.GA21842@gmail.com> On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:42:03PM -0400, Elizabeth Ann West wrote: > I am Elizabeth Ann West, a new contributor to the Fedora Documentation > Project recruited by David Nalley. I am the Chief Data Collector of the > Charleston, SC Linus Users Group. I met David Nalley when he represented > Fedora at our Linux Demo Day last weekend. It was pretty successful as > our first one, we had about 60 people show up, and we had a number of > computers setup for visitors to play with hands on. > We're absolutely delighted to have you as a part of our team. Thanks for contributing! -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ianweller at gmail.com Sun Sep 21 20:22:25 2008 From: ianweller at gmail.com (Ian Weller) Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:22:25 -0500 Subject: {{do this not this}} Message-ID: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> I decided we needed a good, standard way within our wiki documentation to say to "do this, but don't do this". I have produced a template to assist with that. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Do_this_not_this It's includable on a page like so: {{do this not this|do=You should do this|dont=But not this|why=Because I said so}} Feedback? Is there a way that DocBook does it? Am I forgetting something major? -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 22 14:05:38 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:05:38 -0400 Subject: Intro of Elizabeth Ann West In-Reply-To: <1221964923.10928.18.camel@lb-laptop> References: <1221964923.10928.18.camel@lb-laptop> Message-ID: <1222092339.25208.68.camel@victoria-eth> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 22:42 -0400, Elizabeth Ann West wrote: > Hello all, > > I am Elizabeth Ann West, a new contributor to the Fedora Documentation > Project recruited by David Nalley. I am the Chief Data Collector of the > Charleston, SC Linus Users Group. I met David Nalley when he represented > Fedora at our Linux Demo Day last weekend. It was pretty successful as > our first one, we had about 60 people show up, and we had a number of > computers setup for visitors to play with hands on. Nice to meet you Elizabeth -- I ran into you the other day on IRC. Looking forward to working with you! -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 18:34:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 11:34:02 -0700 Subject: {{do this not this}} In-Reply-To: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> References: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222194842.16394.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sun, 2008-09-21 at 15:22 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: > I decided we needed a good, standard way within our wiki documentation > to say to "do this, but don't do this". I have produced a template to > assist with that. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Do_this_not_this > > It's includable on a page like so: > {{do this not this|do=You should do this|dont=But not this|why=Because I > said so}} > > Feedback? Is there a way that DocBook does it? Am I forgetting something > major? There isn't a DocBook equivalent, so using this in this way would only work on the wiki. We could find a way to map it to a DocBook setup, which would likely be a table with "Do this" and "Do not do this" column headers. Or something. As a wiki idea, I dig the concept. We want to consider how people should use it in practice so there is not e.g. a long set of rows of these making it hard to read the text. The thing is, making them stand out as an admonition means we want to use it more sparingly. Overuse causes eye abuse. :) Another thing we could do is create a standard set of tables, such as a "do/do not" table, and make them available from Help:Wiki_editing. It doesn't let us control them centrally, but it at least helps us set and evolve some consistency. What is a good way to track usage of these tables so we can find and update there usage when we update the templates? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Community Relations Guy Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 23 19:57:05 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 12:57:05 -0700 Subject: Self Introduction: Matthew Daniels In-Reply-To: <17cd57cf0809200950r3f7cf422te0c73bd5cb61cd88@mail.gmail.com> References: <17cd57cf0809200950r3f7cf422te0c73bd5cb61cd88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222199825.16394.164.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Sat, 2008-09-20 at 12:50 -0400, Matthew Daniels wrote: > Hey everyone, > > My name is Matthew Daniels and I'm an undergraduate studying Physics > and Astronomy at Clemson University, although my hometown is > Charleston, SC. I've been using Linux as my primary OS for about 5 > years now, and I've been using Fedora since FC6 came out in '06. Welcome Matthew. > I actually have done a little bit of contract programming, and my > coding skills are mediocre. I'm comfortable is Perl and Java, and > can, for the most part, hold my own in C and Python. But, this is > probably not sufficient for making large-scale contributions to the > Fedora Project. However, I regard myself a pretty good writer, and I > recently realized that I actually kind of enjoy writing program > documentation. So, since Fedora -- and Linux, in general -- have been > so good to me, I've made it one of my personal goals as of late to > start trying to give back to the OSS community. I felt that actually > joining a project and getting my hands dirty would be a good way to do > it. You'll be surprised where even a little coding and Linux admin experience can take you around the Fedora Project, and I'm pleased you've chosen Docs as a place to become a contributor. We'll try to keep your interest around here. ;-) > Accordingly, this is my first time contributing to a project like > this. In the future, I think I may also wish to become a Fedora > Ambassador and try to push Fedora with Clemson's Linux User Group, > since they're sorta just stuck on Ubuntu right now. But for now, I'd > like to take things one step at a time, and contribute to the > fedora-docs group as much as possible. Hopefully, you guys have > something I can do; even if it's just cleaning up broken links for > now, that's fine. I just want to help. David pointed you at the new task lists, and I want to encourage you to be bold. For example, in addition to updating the content from F8 to F9 for the User Guide, we can write new content that covers other parts of the desktop for the user. I don't think we want to grow forever, but there is certainly more to cover. Covering the three desktops is easier than ever now -- you can boot a virtual instance or switch desktop environments for a different user on the same machine and use fast user switching. Your writing here seems coherent and clear enough. You'll find our style guide to be a good help, it has long been pretty good, and Elizabeth Ann West has just begun to take it over the top for something pretty great: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/StyleGuide For questions, this list or IRC are good places. cheers - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Sr. Community Relations Guy Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It > doesn't let us control them centrally, but it at least helps us set and > evolve some consistency. > > What is a good way to track usage of these tables so we can find and > update there usage when we update the templates? > The best way to do this is make a template, and set up the variables right the first time. Then it automatically changes when you change it, of course. It's /much/ more difficult to just change syntax across an entire set of pages. I'm wondering if the template does need to be toned down a bit (perhaps lose the colored backgrounds?) so that repetition (which I know will happen) is not denounced. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[0] From murray.mcallister at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 01:37:51 2008 From: murray.mcallister at gmail.com (Murray McAllister) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:37:51 +1000 Subject: {{do this not this}} In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0809231833q3c021fabh35039c563f5545dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> <1222194842.16394.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0809231833q3c021fabh35039c563f5545dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <95f1114b0809231837y3fe80d6cw4f673a48b1cf67d@mail.gmail.com> Thank you to Chris Curran for providing this information. > Do not use a table if you only have two columns - use > [0] for this. > > Cheers. > > [0] > From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 14:51:59 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:51:59 +0000 Subject: {{do this not this}} In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0809231837y3fe80d6cw4f673a48b1cf67d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> <1222194842.16394.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0809231833q3c021fabh35039c563f5545dc@mail.gmail.com> <95f1114b0809231837y3fe80d6cw4f673a48b1cf67d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222267919.21834.64.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 11:37 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > Thank you to Chris Curran for providing this information. > > > Do not use a table if you only have two columns - use > > [0] for this. > > > > Cheers. > > > > [0] I like to use segmentedlist elements even in cases where there are *more* than two columns. A segmentedlist, in true DocBook spirit, separates the format from the meaning. It can be rendered in different formats (tabular versus labeled list entries) that make more sense to blind readers too. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 16:21:02 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:21:02 -0700 Subject: mtg today 1900 UTC - slip, flip, or skip Message-ID: <1222273262.16394.288.camel@calliope.phig.org> I have a dental appointment that is likely to make me late getting back for our meeting at 1900 UTC. We can slip the start of the meeting by a few minutes until I get back. If you want to flip who is running the meeting today, I updated our agenda just-in-case. We can skip this meeting if there is no interest in someone else running it. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda Note -- I transcluded a new task table that we can use to run down in each meeting. (The transclusion is currently ugly, looking to improve.) The idea is to give us a general discussion agenda but also cover the various admin tasks being worked on my experienced contributors. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Sep 24 16:22:43 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:22:43 -0700 Subject: {{do this not this}} In-Reply-To: <95f1114b0809231833q3c021fabh35039c563f5545dc@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080921202225.GA27312@gmail.com> <1222194842.16394.128.camel@calliope.phig.org> <95f1114b0809231833q3c021fabh35039c563f5545dc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1222273363.16394.290.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 11:33 +1000, Murray McAllister wrote: > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > [snip] > > > There isn't a DocBook equivalent, so using this in this way would only > > work on the wiki. We could find a way to map it to a DocBook setup, > > which would likely be a table with "Do this" and "Do not do this" column > > headers. Or something. > > Do not use a table if you only have two columns - use > [0] for this. Makes sense, we could map {{do this not this}} to a segmentedlist. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 17:41:06 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:41:06 -0400 Subject: mtg today 1900 UTC - slip, flip, or skip In-Reply-To: <1222273262.16394.288.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222273262.16394.288.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1222278066.16823.4.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 09:21 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > I have a dental appointment that is likely to make me late getting back > for our meeting at 1900 UTC. > > We can slip the start of the meeting by a few minutes until I get back. > If you want to flip who is running the meeting today, I updated our > agenda just-in-case. We can skip this meeting if there is no interest > in someone else running it. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda > > Note -- I transcluded a new task table that we can use to run down in > each meeting. (The transclusion is currently ugly, looking to improve.) > The idea is to give us a general discussion agenda but also cover the > various admin tasks being worked on my experienced contributors. /me votes for slipping 15 minutes, only because I can't be sure I'll be around. I'll try my best though. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[[Special:Whatlinkshere]] would tell you for sure, though. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Effect on remainder of wiki/website/world: Little to none. An error should have no effect on the rest of the style of the wiki, except for user styles. I do not believe there to be an error in the above. Why I'm asking: I have to wield my sysop powers on the wiki to do this, and I just wanted to make sure it was cool (especially since we're in a change freeze). Why I'm asking now: I'll forget later. -- Ian Weller http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 "Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet." ~ Douglas Adams -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 02:56:13 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:56:13 +0000 Subject: Fedora IG repo change Message-ID: <1222311373.14300.13.camel@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> OK, it looks like I've succeeded in moving the Fedora Installation Guide to the new git repo, including F-8 and F-9 branches. Dimitris, can you hook the appropriate Tx/DL metadata to the new locations? http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git Note the Fedora 8 and 9 git branches are called "f8" and "f9". The "master" branch points to what continues to be "devel". I'll be doing the same with Release Notes and its other associated components in the next day or so. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 03:17:26 2008 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 23:17:26 -0400 Subject: Now where did I put those release notes? Message-ID: <1222312646.3347.31.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Release time is nearly here again...Guess what that means? New release notes!! But alas, we are currently faced with a couple of issues. 1. Beat Relevancy. Are there any topics/beats that we no longer need to cover? Current Beats[1] 2. Missing Beats. Are there topics/beats we should be covering? Also, as an FYI, we are planning on compiling an orphaned beats list and then find owners for their content. The folks over at the fedora-devel-list will likely be contacted first. If you see a beat you are interested in that doesn't list an owner[2] let us know by replying to this email or dropping by in #fedora-docs. For those that have beats assigned to them[2] please take this time to make sure the content is up-to-date. If questions arise feel free to corner someone and ask. Wordsmiths will comb the beats in the near future to do their thing, at this point we are looking for the technical content. (If you wordsmith it too quaid promised random gifts! j/k) [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Beats#Beat_Assignments Thanks everyone for the effort and work so far, it has been an interesting release to say the least... -Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From dev at nigelj.com Thu Sep 25 03:24:56 2008 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:24:56 +1200 Subject: Now where did I put those release notes? In-Reply-To: <1222312646.3347.31.camel@bruiser.localdomain> References: <1222312646.3347.31.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Message-ID: <1222313096.3348.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 23:17 -0400, Jason wrote: > Release time is nearly here again...Guess what that means? New release > notes!! But alas, we are currently faced with a couple of issues. > > 1. Beat Relevancy. Are there any topics/beats that we no longer need to > cover? Current Beats[1] > > 2. Missing Beats. Are there topics/beats we should be covering? Please, for the sake of my (in)sanity include something about the new boot process, especially for people with multiboot systems. It's changed so much, I think we have to make it, it's own beat. > > Also, as an FYI, we are planning on compiling an orphaned beats list and > then find owners for their content. The folks over at the > fedora-devel-list will likely be contacted first. If you see a beat you > are interested in that doesn't list an owner[2] let us know by replying > to this email or dropping by in #fedora-docs. > > For those that have beats assigned to them[2] please take this time to > make sure the content is up-to-date. If questions arise feel free to > corner someone and ask. Wordsmiths will comb the beats in the near > future to do their thing, at this point we are looking for the technical > content. (If you wordsmith it too quaid promised random gifts! j/k) > > [1]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Beats#Beat_Assignments > > Thanks everyone for the effort and work so far, it has been an > interesting release to say the least... > > -Jason > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Nigel Jones From dlehman at redhat.com Thu Sep 25 17:28:31 2008 From: dlehman at redhat.com (Dave Lehman) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:28:31 -0500 Subject: Request for Review: DiskEncryptionUserGuide Message-ID: <1222363711.5541.12.camel@purdy> Hi all, My name is Dave Lehman. I am one of the engineers that works on anaconda (the Fedora installer). I've written a draft of a document intended to document the use of dm-crypt/LUKS encrypted block devices. Since F9 we have supported the creation and use of block devices encrypted using dm-crypt/LUKS in the anaconda installer. This document aims to give some basic information about disk encryption in general, as well as the LUKS technology, and then go on to detail the creation and configuration of such devices. My hope/intention is that this document, whether integrated into another existing document or not, can be published at such a time as to accompany the general availability of F10. Here is a link to the draft document: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DiskEncryptionUserGuide I am by no means a writer, technical or otherwise, so I will need all the help I can get. Thanks in advance, Dave From stickster at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 18:51:07 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:51:07 -0400 Subject: [Fwd: Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme] Message-ID: <1222368667.4386.97.camel@victoria-eth> For consideration when writing the final release announcement. Also refer to Nigel Jones' recent blog post for other inspiration! Paul -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Jeff Spaleta > Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora > user base > To: michael.d.beckwith at gmail.com, For discussions about marketing and > expanding the Fedora user base > Cc: Fedora Art List > Subject: Re: Fedora 10's official Default theme > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:22:03 -0800 > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Michael Beckwith > wrote: > > Solar > > Now that Solar is selected. > > I would like to humbly suggest that we attempt to make a connection in > our F10 release press materials to the International Heliophysical > Year events. Nothing overly science geeked out, but a shout out the > scientific research community participating in the IHY activities > would make a lot of sense to me. And not because I'm technically one > of those people. > > http://ihy2007.org/ > > Yeah it says 2007, but they really mean 2007-2009.. who knew that > Heliophysical years are twice as long as Earth years. > > -jef > -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I am one of the engineers that works on anaconda > (the Fedora installer). I've written a draft of a document intended to > document the use of dm-crypt/LUKS encrypted block devices. > > Since F9 we have supported the creation and use of block devices > encrypted using dm-crypt/LUKS in the anaconda installer. This document > aims to give some basic information about disk encryption in general, as > well as the LUKS technology, and then go on to detail the creation and > configuration of such devices. > > My hope/intention is that this document, whether integrated into another > existing document or not, can be published at such a time as to > accompany the general availability of F10. > > Here is a link to the draft document: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DiskEncryptionUserGuide > > > I am by no means a writer, technical or otherwise, so I will need all > the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, > Dave > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list > From farrellj at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 21:28:41 2008 From: farrellj at gmail.com (Jason Farrell) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:28:41 -0400 Subject: Now where did I put those release notes? In-Reply-To: <1222313096.3348.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> References: <1222312646.3347.31.camel@bruiser.localdomain> <1222313096.3348.1.camel@fantail.jnet.net.nz> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Nigel Jones wrote: > Please, for the sake of my (in)sanity include something about the new > boot process, especially for people with multiboot systems. > > It's changed so much, I think we have to make it, it's own beat. > What's changed so much about the f10 boot process with respect to grub multibooting? As far as I can see, grub's still grub, just quieter -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup The grub.conf 'hiddenmenu' would still be default, and pressing escape still necessary (but no countdown timer)? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Thu Sep 25 22:11:14 2008 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:11:14 -0400 Subject: Request for Review: DiskEncryptionUserGuide In-Reply-To: <1222363711.5541.12.camel@purdy> References: <1222363711.5541.12.camel@purdy> Message-ID: <1222380674.3323.2.camel@bruiser.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 12:28 -0500, Dave Lehman wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is Dave Lehman. I am one of the engineers that works on anaconda > (the Fedora installer). I've written a draft of a document intended to > document the use of dm-crypt/LUKS encrypted block devices. > > Since F9 we have supported the creation and use of block devices > encrypted using dm-crypt/LUKS in the anaconda installer. This document > aims to give some basic information about disk encryption in general, as > well as the LUKS technology, and then go on to detail the creation and > configuration of such devices. > > My hope/intention is that this document, whether integrated into another > existing document or not, can be published at such a time as to > accompany the general availability of F10. > > Here is a link to the draft document: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DiskEncryptionUserGuide > > > I am by no means a writer, technical or otherwise, so I will need all > the help I can get. > > Thanks in advance, > Dave This is a great article, I learned quite a bit. While I read it I also made some minor edits. Thanks for taking the time to put it together it is very informative. -Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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An error > should have no effect on the rest of the style of the wiki, except for > user styles. I do not believe there to be an error in the above. > > Why I'm asking: I have to wield my sysop powers on the wiki to do this, > and I just wanted to make sure it was cool (especially since we're in a > change freeze). Why I'm asking now: I'll forget later. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dimitris, can you > hook the appropriate Tx/DL metadata to the new locations? > > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/docs/install-guide.git > > Note the Fedora 8 and 9 git branches are called "f8" and "f9". The > "master" branch points to what continues to be "devel". > > I'll be doing the same with Release Notes and its other associated > components in the next day or so. > > -- > fedora-docs-list mailing list > fedora-docs-list at redhat.com > To unsubscribe: > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We've discussed doing a radical overhaul in the past, but have instead done a set of slow, steady evolutions. *yawn* Here is a strawman proposal, meaning a thin structure to throw more ideas against: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_notes_structure_for_F10 Trying to cover the usual use cases, give it a tone people might relate to, push up front some issues people care about (installer, bugs, hardware support, etc.) I believe this structure covers all the Beat content. To quote: 1. What's new in Fedora 10 -- Overview 2. What is new for installation and live images -- important installer notes, live image instruction sets, pointers to more docs 3. What's the latest on the desktop -- *all* GUI applications, l10n, a11y 1. How has software installing and updating improved -- Add/Remove Software 2. Do you browse the web, read email, and create/edit office documents? 3. What is to celebrate for musicians, artists, and other creative types? 4. What is the new stuff for gamers, scientists, and hobbyists? 5. Power users get what new features and fixes? 4. How are things for developers -- devel tools, -devel package changes, i18n 5. What do system administrators care about -- services, daemons, non-devel CLI 1. Are there cool new security features - SELinux, firewall, hashes, new signing key details 6. What are the nuts and bolts of hardware support -- arch-specific notes, 7. Are there hideous bugs and terrible tigers? -- known issues, link to up-to-date bug page 8. Legal stuff and administrivia -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For example the Documentation schedule lists only the tasks that docs is responsible for--not translation tasks too. The overall schedule shows combined tasks for all the teams if you're looking for a combined view. On Monday at 16:00 UTC I'll be meeting Demitris on fedora's gobby instance to add more details and corrections to the Fedora 10 translation schedule. Feel free to join in. If this turns out to be helpful I would like to do a similar exercise with the docs team if they are so interested. Translation schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html Docs schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html John From stickster at gmail.com Sat Sep 27 21:07:52 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:07:52 -0400 Subject: Release Notes file renaming Message-ID: <20080927210752.GA23766@localhost.localdomain> When Publican -- the automated documentation building engine we're trying to use for the Fedora 10 cycle -- creates references from book titles, it expects equivalency between those titles and the file names to which it refers when building. It uses underscores to represent spaces when looking for those file names. So for example the title "Release Notes" will cause it to search for a base filename "Release_Notes". The final output documents will be named similarly. Jesse, I'm worried that renaming these things in the RPM %build process for fedora-release-notes will cause a whole chain of further problems in OMF files, etc. Can your compose process be set to look for "Release_Notes" instead of the former "RELEASE-NOTES"? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kam at kamsalisbury.com Sun Sep 28 23:36:51 2008 From: kam at kamsalisbury.com (Kam Salisbury) Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 19:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Self-Introduction: Message-ID: Hi, I'm Kam Salisbury. I live and work in Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA. >What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? Several small articles and tips regarding using Linux to get real world tasks accomplished. Some items are more suitable for other system administrators or hobbiests. >What level and type of computer skills do you have? Over ten years experience supporting and using computer technology in Windows, Novell and Linux environments. >What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc. No published programs to claim fame to but definetly scripting capable - shell, HTML/CSS, PHP, Java. As a network manager I am comfortable speaking in front of groups. >What makes you an excellent match for the project? I want to help. Kam Salisbury kam at kamsalisbury.com FAF1751E fingerprint = DC3A 73C0 199D 0C29 BDCD 9D2A 8014 9957 FAF1 751E From ankit at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 09:19:46 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:49:46 +0530 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > > Thanks for being patient with me as I get up to speed with the > different tasks your teams perform and where they intersect. I am > continually refining the wording of each task so it is hopefully > clearer exactly what is being done. In the process I'm discovering > more undocumented tasks that need to be completed to bridge tasks > already on the schedule and also finding others that are unclear as to > what they are. For example we say "translations due" but we don't say > which translations they are... release notes, softare, documentation? > > I am also trying to a better job of representing on each team's > schedule which tasks THEY perform. For example the Documentation > schedule lists only the tasks that docs is responsible for--not > translation tasks too. The overall schedule shows combined tasks for > all the teams if you're looking for a combined view. > > On Monday at 16:00 UTC I'll be meeting Demitris on fedora's gobby > instance to add more details and corrections to the Fedora 10 > translation schedule. Feel free to join in. If this turns out to be > helpful I would like to do a similar exercise with the docs team if > they are so interested. > > Translation schedule: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html > > Docs schedule: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html > > John > Hi John, Thank you so much for closely working with the FLP & Docs team and sorting out the translation & documentation schedule related issues. These new schedules have made the roadmap pretty clear for FLP team I think. I might not be able to join you in the meeting, though I wanted to. So, let me request the last change I would like to see in the Documentation as well as translation schedule. Fedora Documentation team writes not only Release Notes but also guides like Installation Guide, Desktop User Guide, etc too. I wonder, why these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned in Documentation schedule nor in translation schedule? Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather than in maintenance phase? -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:30:54 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:30:54 -0400 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080929113054.GD12255@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:49:46PM +0530, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > John Poelstra wrote: >> >> Thanks for being patient with me as I get up to speed with the >> different tasks your teams perform and where they intersect. I am >> continually refining the wording of each task so it is hopefully >> clearer exactly what is being done. In the process I'm discovering >> more undocumented tasks that need to be completed to bridge tasks >> already on the schedule and also finding others that are unclear as to >> what they are. For example we say "translations due" but we don't say >> which translations they are... release notes, softare, documentation? >> >> I am also trying to a better job of representing on each team's >> schedule which tasks THEY perform. For example the Documentation >> schedule lists only the tasks that docs is responsible for--not >> translation tasks too. The overall schedule shows combined tasks for >> all the teams if you're looking for a combined view. >> >> On Monday at 16:00 UTC I'll be meeting Demitris on fedora's gobby >> instance to add more details and corrections to the Fedora 10 >> translation schedule. Feel free to join in. If this turns out to be >> helpful I would like to do a similar exercise with the docs team if >> they are so interested. >> >> Translation schedule: >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html >> >> Docs schedule: >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html >> >> John >> > Hi John, > > Thank you so much for closely working with the FLP & Docs team and > sorting out the translation & documentation schedule related issues. > These new schedules have made the roadmap pretty clear for FLP team I > think. > > I might not be able to join you in the meeting, though I wanted to. > > So, let me request the last change I would like to see in the > Documentation as well as translation schedule. > > Fedora Documentation team writes not only Release Notes but also guides > like Installation Guide, Desktop User Guide, etc too. I wonder, why > these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned in Documentation > schedule nor in translation schedule? > > Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day > release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather than > in maintenance phase? These Docs tasks *should* be in the schedule, Ankit, you're quite correct. That's an oversight that we will get corrected as we work with John to overhaul his rendition of our schedule as well. Note that in the past they've always been on that schedule. Part of the reason they're not there now is that in the past I had often drafted the next release's schedule on the wiki after some discussion with Docs folks. I wasn't able to do that post-F9 simply for lack of spare cycles. Now that Karsten has Fedora Docs as one of his job responsibilities he's able to carve more time for things like schedule debugging. I notice this is on the Docs Project task list: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings Thanks for being attentive to this problem; I'm sure it can be resolved to everyone's benefit. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 11:36:03 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:36:03 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080929113603.GE12255@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 07:36:51PM -0400, Kam Salisbury wrote: > Hi, I'm Kam Salisbury. I live and work in Philadelphia Pennsylvania USA. > > >What other projects or writing have you worked on in the past? > > Several small articles and tips regarding using Linux to get real world > tasks accomplished. Some items are more suitable for other system > administrators or hobbiests. Fantastic, an experienced writer! Very happy to have you aboard, Kam. > >What level and type of computer skills do you have? > > Over ten years experience supporting and using computer technology in > Windows, Novell and Linux environments. Looks like you'll have no problem learning several toolsets, then. I'm sure you've already read from the introductory "join" information, but you can find us on IRC at irc.freenode.net, #fedora-docs. We'd love to talk to you there and get you engaged in some beneficial work. > >What other skills do you have that might be applicable? User interface > design, other so-called soft skills (people skills), programming, etc. > > No published programs to claim fame to but definetly scripting capable - > shell, HTML/CSS, PHP, Java. As a network manager I am comfortable speaking > in front of groups. That's marvelous! I love speaking in front of groups teaching skills like DocBook. We are supposed to have a FUDCon event this winter, probably happening in January in Boston. Do you think you might be able to attend? > >What makes you an excellent match for the project? > > I want to help. And that is, by far, the most important qualification. We can teach people practically anything except willingness to be a part of FOSS. Once you have that, everything else is just a short learning experience away! :-) Thanks for getting involved Kam, I look forward to talking to you on IRC at some point. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 12:05:37 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 05:05:37 -0700 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> Message-ID: <1222689937.745.22.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 17:17 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > On Monday at 16:00 UTC I'll be meeting Demitris on fedora's gobby > instance to add more details and corrections to the Fedora 10 > translation schedule. Feel free to join in. If this turns out to be > helpful I would like to do a similar exercise with the docs team if they > are so interested. I should be able to lurk for that, might have some useful input, and then we can schedule one for Docs ASAP. Muchos, muchos gracias for doing this, John. I'm doing a lot of fast work to step-up the quality of project management for Docs, and tight schedule integration is a key to that. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From jmtaylor90 at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 12:04:52 2008 From: jmtaylor90 at gmail.com (Jason) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:04:52 -0400 Subject: structure for F10 final release notes In-Reply-To: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> References: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <1222689892.3496.1.camel@bruiser.localdomain> On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 18:11 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > If you look at the beats, think of them as topic-specific buckets of > content: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > Once converted to XML, we can reorder them at-will to get different > structures. We've discussed doing a radical overhaul in the past, but > have instead done a set of slow, steady evolutions. *yawn* > > Here is a strawman proposal, meaning a thin structure to throw more > ideas against: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_notes_structure_for_F10 > > Trying to cover the usual use cases, give it a tone people might relate > to, push up front some issues people care about (installer, bugs, > hardware support, etc.) I believe this structure covers all the Beat > content. To quote: > > 1. What's new in Fedora 10 -- Overview > 2. What is new for installation and live images -- important > installer notes, live image instruction sets, pointers to more > docs > 3. What's the latest on the desktop -- *all* GUI applications, > l10n, a11y > 1. How has software installing and updating improved -- > Add/Remove Software > 2. Do you browse the web, read email, and create/edit > office documents? > 3. What is to celebrate for musicians, artists, and other > creative types? > 4. What is the new stuff for gamers, scientists, and > hobbyists? > 5. Power users get what new features and fixes? > 4. How are things for developers -- devel tools, -devel package > changes, i18n > 5. What do system administrators care about -- services, daemons, > non-devel CLI > 1. Are there cool new security features - SELinux, > firewall, hashes, new signing key details > 6. What are the nuts and bolts of hardware support -- arch-specific > notes, > 7. Are there hideous bugs and terrible tigers? -- known issues, > link to up-to-date bug page > 8. Legal stuff and administrivia > > -- I think this has the sort of grouping/flow most readers like. I would like to see us at least try it, see what feedback we get and then decide yea or nay? -Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From stickster at gmail.com Mon Sep 29 13:09:17 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:09:17 -0400 Subject: structure for F10 final release notes In-Reply-To: <1222689892.3496.1.camel@bruiser.localdomain> References: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1222689892.3496.1.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Message-ID: <20080929130857.GA23413@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 08:04:52AM -0400, Jason wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-25 at 18:11 -0700, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote: > > If you look at the beats, think of them as topic-specific buckets of > > content: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats > > > > Once converted to XML, we can reorder them at-will to get different > > structures. We've discussed doing a radical overhaul in the past, but > > have instead done a set of slow, steady evolutions. *yawn* > > > > Here is a strawman proposal, meaning a thin structure to throw more > > ideas against: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_notes_structure_for_F10 > > > > Trying to cover the usual use cases, give it a tone people might relate > > to, push up front some issues people care about (installer, bugs, > > hardware support, etc.) I believe this structure covers all the Beat > > content. To quote: > > > > 1. What's new in Fedora 10 -- Overview > > 2. What is new for installation and live images -- important > > installer notes, live image instruction sets, pointers to more > > docs > > 3. What's the latest on the desktop -- *all* GUI applications, > > l10n, a11y > > 1. How has software installing and updating improved -- > > Add/Remove Software > > 2. Do you browse the web, read email, and create/edit > > office documents? > > 3. What is to celebrate for musicians, artists, and other > > creative types? > > 4. What is the new stuff for gamers, scientists, and > > hobbyists? > > 5. Power users get what new features and fixes? > > 4. How are things for developers -- devel tools, -devel package > > changes, i18n > > 5. What do system administrators care about -- services, daemons, > > non-devel CLI > > 1. Are there cool new security features - SELinux, > > firewall, hashes, new signing key details > > 6. What are the nuts and bolts of hardware support -- arch-specific > > notes, > > 7. Are there hideous bugs and terrible tigers? -- known issues, > > link to up-to-date bug page > > 8. Legal stuff and administrivia > > > > -- > > I think this has the sort of grouping/flow most readers like. I would > like to see us at least try it, see what feedback we get and then decide > yea or nay? One of the absolutely great things about using git for source code management (SCM) is that you can create branches very cheaply, without disturbing the history of the master. You can essentially turn any copy of the repo into a strawman of sorts, to demonstrate an idea. If people like it, you merge it in. If you have a fedorapeople.org site, you can publish git repos on it in a "public_git" folder for people to try out the concept. Refer to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org for more information on how to do this. If anyone needs help setting this up, please let me know. I'm no git genius but I've got enough simple things under control to be helpful to absolute beginners. You'll probably soon surpass me though! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wb8rcr at arrl.net Mon Sep 29 13:27:09 2008 From: wb8rcr at arrl.net (John J. McDonough) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:27:09 -0400 Subject: structure for F10 final release notes References: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> Message-ID: <084AB7BBF9D14B39860727DED71BAEFA@Aidan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" To: "Fedora Documentation Project" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: structure for F10 final release notes [clip] > 3. What is to celebrate for musicians, artists, and other > creative types? > 4. What is the new stuff for gamers, scientists, and > hobbyists? This is an interesting breakdown. I suspect that when technical people think of hobbyists, technical hobbies come to mind, so the grouping with scientists might make sense. That does, however, leave out non-technical hobbyists. I have to admit, not being a stamp collector or a quilter, I don't really know that there is anything for non-tech hobbyists, but I suspect there is. Including the gamers totally confuses me though. I would think they have more in common with the "creative" types. I'm not sure I can propose a better breakdown, though. It does seem like there is a big difference between creative and entertainment ... i.e., a music player has a very different audience than a music composition app. The former has more in common with the gamer, in fact, in terms of "entertainment", while the latter is probably closer to, say, an electronic design suite, actually "creating" something rather than using it. Of course, intuitively, they are pretty far apart. Perhaps - "Artistic" - Creating/composing art - "Entertainment" - Movie and music players, games - "Techical" - Science, math and technical hobbies (because tech hobbies are often hard to distinguish from professional use of the same tools) - "Hobby" - The myriad of other hobbies, collecting loads of different kinds of "stuff", crafts, geneaology and all those dogs and cats that tend to have maybe one app each I have to admit, doesn't sound nearly as good a "What is to celebrate" --McD From poelstra at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 15:59:55 2008 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:59:55 -0700 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E0FB7B.1010204@redhat.com> Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel said the following on 09/29/2008 02:19 AM Pacific Time: > > Fedora Documentation team writes not only Release Notes but also guides > like Installation Guide, Desktop User Guide, etc too. I wonder, why > these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned in Documentation > schedule nor in translation schedule? Yes, this part of my "revelation" last week :) We need to be very explicit with the task names both in the documentation schedule and the translation schedule. > Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day > release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather than > in maintenance phase? > I put it in the maintenance phase because that is when it occurs--after GA, which is when the maintenance of a release begins. Is there an important reason why you would like to have it in the "Launch Phases"? John From kwade at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 17:03:58 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:03:58 -0700 Subject: structure for F10 final release notes In-Reply-To: <1222689892.3496.1.camel@bruiser.localdomain> References: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> <1222689892.3496.1.camel@bruiser.localdomain> Message-ID: <1222707838.745.89.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 08:04 -0400, Jason wrote: > I think this has the sort of grouping/flow most readers like. I would > like to see us at least try it, see what feedback we get and then > decide > yea or nay? In fact, this is one of the many reasons for having a 'beta' document ready by F10 Preview Release. Since it is all translated XML files, we should be able to tweak the structure from Preview Release responses without creating a bunch of work for the translators. - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Sep 29 17:06:53 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:06:53 -0700 Subject: structure for F10 final release notes In-Reply-To: <084AB7BBF9D14B39860727DED71BAEFA@Aidan> References: <1222391495.3003.103.camel@calliope.phig.org> <084AB7BBF9D14B39860727DED71BAEFA@Aidan> Message-ID: <1222708013.745.93.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 09:27 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karsten 'quaid' Wade" > To: "Fedora Documentation Project" > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:11 PM > Subject: structure for F10 final release notes > > [clip] > > 3. What is to celebrate for musicians, artists, and other > > creative types? > > 4. What is the new stuff for gamers, scientists, and > > hobbyists? > > This is an interesting breakdown. I suspect that when technical people > think of hobbyists, technical hobbies come to mind, so the grouping with > scientists might make sense. That does, however, leave out non-technical > hobbyists. I have to admit, not being a stamp collector or a quilter, I > don't really know that there is anything for non-tech hobbyists, but I > suspect there is. Including the gamers totally confuses me though. I would > think they have more in common with the "creative" types. Good point, I was using the common to Linux narrow hobbyist definition, that is, people who play with Linux for personal rather than professional reasons. There is also some crossover with power users. > I'm not sure I can propose a better breakdown, though. It does seem like > there is a big difference between creative and entertainment ... i.e., a > music player has a very different audience than a music composition app. > The former has more in common with the gamer, in fact, in terms of > "entertainment", while the latter is probably closer to, say, an electronic > design suite, actually "creating" something rather than using it. Of > course, intuitively, they are pretty far apart. > > Perhaps > - "Artistic" - Creating/composing art > - "Entertainment" - Movie and music players, games > - "Techical" - Science, math and technical hobbies (because tech hobbies are > often hard to distinguish from professional use of the same tools) > - "Hobby" - The myriad of other hobbies, collecting loads of different kinds > of "stuff", crafts, geneaology and all those dogs and cats that tend to have > maybe one app each Not a bad evolution. I wonder if it is worth absorbing separate power user content in to those groups? > I have to admit, doesn't sound nearly as good a "What is to celebrate" We'll find some good wording for it. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From noriko at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 02:01:07 2008 From: noriko at redhat.com (Noriko Mizumoto) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:01:07 +1000 Subject: New language codes? In-Reply-To: <20080930015013.GB21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> References: <20080930015013.GB21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <48E18863.6060200@redhat.com> Paul W. Frields ????????: > If the Docs Project is able to complete a transition to Publican for > the release notes for Fedora 10, many of our language codes will > change to ISO standards. This includes moving from en_US to en-US, as > in "Release_Notes-en-US.txt". > > It would probably be good if any tools used to spin or release the > distribution get updated to support both of these options. I would > suggest shifting them to use the ISO standard, en-US, first and the > try falling back to en_US. That way, if we fail utterly and have to > drop back to the old way of doing business, the results will still > land properly. I've got a favor to ask. Please make Japanese as ja-JP, not ja as current. Many thanks noriko > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-trans-list mailing list > Fedora-trans-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-trans-list From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 02:29:41 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:29:41 -0400 Subject: New language codes? In-Reply-To: <48E18863.6060200@redhat.com> References: <20080930015013.GB21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> <48E18863.6060200@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080930022941.GH21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > Paul W. Frields ????????: >> If the Docs Project is able to complete a transition to Publican for >> the release notes for Fedora 10, many of our language codes will >> change to ISO standards. This includes moving from en_US to en-US, as >> in "Release_Notes-en-US.txt". >> >> It would probably be good if any tools used to spin or release the >> distribution get updated to support both of these options. I would >> suggest shifting them to use the ISO standard, en-US, first and the >> try falling back to en_US. That way, if we fail utterly and have to >> drop back to the old way of doing business, the results will still >> land properly. > > I've got a favor to ask. > Please make Japanese as ja-JP, not ja as current. Asgeir is working on updating the language list to the proper ISO codes now, I believe. That would certainly include ja-JP! :-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From asgeirf at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 07:30:56 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New language codes? In-Reply-To: <20080930022941.GH21121@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <26091802.2031222759719868.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> ----- "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:01:07PM +1000, Noriko Mizumoto wrote: > > Paul W. Frields ????????: > >> If the Docs Project is able to complete a transition to Publican > for > >> the release notes for Fedora 10, many of our language codes will > >> change to ISO standards. This includes moving from en_US to en-US, > as > >> in "Release_Notes-en-US.txt". > >> > >> It would probably be good if any tools used to spin or release the > >> distribution get updated to support both of these options. I > would > >> suggest shifting them to use the ISO standard, en-US, first and > the > >> try falling back to en_US. That way, if we fail utterly and have > to > >> drop back to the old way of doing business, the results will still > >> land properly. > > > > I've got a favor to ask. > > Please make Japanese as ja-JP, not ja as current. > > Asgeir is working on updating the language list to the proper ISO > codes now, I believe. That would certainly include ja-JP! :-) Here are the proposed renames. I'm not an expert, and some codes would make more sense without a country-qualifier I guess (country qualifier is ISO-wise optional). bn_IN -> bn-IN ca -> ca-ES cs -> cs-CZ da -> da-DK de -> de-DE el -> el-GR es -> es-ES fi -> fi-FI fr -> fr-FR gu -> gu-IN he -> he-IL hi_IN -> hi-IN hr -> hr-HR hu -> hu-HU id -> id-ID it -> it-IT ja -> ja-JP ms -> ms-MY nb -> nb-NO nl -> nl-NL pa -> pa-IN pl -> pl-PL pt_BR -> pt-BR pt -> pt-PT ru -> ru-RU sk -> sk-SK sr -> sr-RS sr_Latn -> sr_Latn-RS sv -> sv-SE ta -> ta-IN uk -> uk-UA zh_CN -> zh-CN zh_TW -> zh-TW cheers, asgeir From ankit at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 08:51:24 2008 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:21:24 +0530 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48E0FB7B.1010204@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> <48E0FB7B.1010204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <48E1E88C.7070706@redhat.com> John Poelstra wrote: > Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel said the following on 09/29/2008 02:19 > AM Pacific Time: >> >> Fedora Documentation team writes not only Release Notes but also >> guides like Installation Guide, Desktop User Guide, etc too. I >> wonder, why these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned >> in Documentation schedule nor in translation schedule? > > Yes, this part of my "revelation" last week :) We need to be very > explicit with the task names both in the documentation schedule and > the translation schedule. > > >> Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day >> release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather >> than in maintenance phase? >> > > I put it in the maintenance phase because that is when it > occurs--after GA, which is when the maintenance of a release begins. > Is there an important reason why you would like to have it in the > "Launch Phases"? > > John Let me explain what I understand about "0-day changes". I think "0-day changes to release notes" means, the last minute changes came to release-notes writers. Please correct me, if I am wrong. So, If my understanding about "0-day changes" is correct, then "0-day changes" should be applicable to "POT generation", which is already taken care, as well as "Po translations" also, which is put in the maintenance phase. After (ideally. could be on the same date, though.) "0-day translation of PO" task "0-day release-notes build updated rpm" task should happen. So, basically end users (local language users) whould get the latest release notes. I can see, following three entries in the http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-docs-tasks.html 0-Day rel-notes generate POT Tue 2008-11-25 Tue 2008-11-25 0 0-Day rel-notes update docs.fp.org Tue 2008-11-25 Tue 2008-11-25 0 0-Day rel-notes build updated rpm Tue 2008-11-25 Tue 2008-11-25 0 GA Release Tue 2008-11-25 Tue 2008-11-25 0 Maintenance Phase Wed 2008-11-26 Mon 2010-01-04 404 Add translated zero-day updates to docs.fp.org Mon 2008-12-08 Mon 2008-12-08 0.2 With respect to same "0 day release-notes updates" similar task should be found in http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-trans-tasks.html Maintenance Phase Wed 2008-11-26 Mon 2010-01-04 404 Translate 0-day release notes for docs.fp.org Wed 2008-11-26 Mon 2008-12-08 11.8 So, the point is, "Translate 0-day release notes for docs.fp.org" should be along with "0-Day rel-notes build updated rpm" as well. That means it should start and end on the same date "Wed 2008-11-26", which is currently starting "Wed 2008-11-26" and ending "Mon 2008-12-08". -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From asgeirf at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 09:06:20 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 05:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: F10 Documentation In-Reply-To: <32318471.2091222765353582.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <14373420.2111222765443246.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> ----- "Asgeir Frimannsson" wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:13 AM, Dimitris Glezos > wrote: > > 2008/9/29 Paul W. Frields : > >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:19:14PM +0530, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra > Patel wrote: > >>> Dimitris Glezos wrote: > >>>> 2008/9/26 Paul W. Frields : > >>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 12:08:31PM +0300, Dimitris Glezos > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> We'll need the usual steps followed to add these modules to > transifex: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/FAQ#add-transifex > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The most important ones are having 'transif' added to the > respective > >>>>>> account system groups and notifying us with which module, > >>>>>> branch> to use. One bug report for all moved Docs would be > sufficient, > >>>>>> and we can re-open it when a new module has been moved. > >>>>>> > >>>> All 7 docs projects have been registered and enabled [1] in > Transifex. > >>>> > >>>> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/submit/module/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> Can we get all 7 docs projects enabled in DL as well? > >> > >> I think Dimitris mentioned earlier that Damned Lies won't support > >> Publican's multiple POT files. It would be great if Red Hat > I18n/L10n > >> would collaborate with the community to help pave the way for > >> statistics reporting for these repos. I don't know whether that > means > >> fixing part of DL, or simply accelerating the rate at which > >> statistical support in Tx is written. I know Dimitris, Asgeir, > and > >> any of the other Tx developers would be thrilled to have some > >> assistance with this. > > > > Patches are welcome with champagnes and fireworks, as always. :D > > > >> In the meantime, Dimitris also suggested a workaround using some > sort > >> of simple Python script. I doubt that's been written yet, maybe > >> someone can help there? > > > > Here's a sample skeleton for such a script/scenario, for anyone > who'd > > like to actually code it. > > > > ----------------------- > > == Get the source == > > > > First time: > > $ project-list = ['about', 'release-notes'] > > $ for p in project-list: > > git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/{p}.git > > > > Later, to pull new changes: > > $ for p in project-list: > > git fetch && ... > > > > == Calculate statistics == > > $ wget http://.../fedora-docs-l10n-script.py > > $ python fedora-docs-l10n-script.py pt_BR > > pt_BR statistics: > > about: 80% (115T, 40F, 10U) > > release-notes: 80% (115T, 40F, 10U) > > ----------------------- > > If I remember correctly, publican actually has a 'genearate > translation statistics' make target that can even generate HTML. > > Would it be ok If I set up a cron job that: > 1) Puts translation statistics on a public web page (to make it > simple, e.g. my fedorapeople web space) > 2) Sends updated statistics to fedora-trans-list daily, or even after > each 'submission' depending on how much we want to spam that list... > > In addition, we could add a link to this stats through the front page > of translate.fedoraproject.org > > Comments on this workflow is welcome, but I'll try to make sure we at > least have some statistics for our documentation SOON. > > I guess the fedora infrastructure is in 'freeze' mode, so I'm not > sure > how easy it would be to make the script run inside the > infrastructure... But the main concern now is giving translators some > statistics :) > > But first for some breakfast... Could anyone review the attached script for converting release-notes to a publican-friendly PO structure? Figured I'd learn ABC in bash scripting while I was at it... I could send out a git patch, but it makes it a bit hard to see what I was doing... cheers, asgeir -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: publicanl10n.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 1733 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Sep 30 11:14:36 2008 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:14:36 -0400 Subject: Tuning Documentation & Translation schedules In-Reply-To: <48E1E88C.7070706@redhat.com> References: <48DD7B8C.9050405@redhat.com> <48E09DB2.8040505@redhat.com> <48E0FB7B.1010204@redhat.com> <48E1E88C.7070706@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20080930111436.GJ27493@victoria-eth.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 02:21:24PM +0530, Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel wrote: > John Poelstra wrote: >> Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel said the following on 09/29/2008 02:19 >> AM Pacific Time: >>> >>> Fedora Documentation team writes not only Release Notes but also >>> guides like Installation Guide, Desktop User Guide, etc too. I >>> wonder, why these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned >>> in Documentation schedule nor in translation schedule? >> >> Yes, this part of my "revelation" last week :) We need to be very >> explicit with the task names both in the documentation schedule and >> the translation schedule. >> >> >>> Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day >>> release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather >>> than in maintenance phase? >>> >> >> I put it in the maintenance phase because that is when it >> occurs--after GA, which is when the maintenance of a release begins. >> Is there an important reason why you would like to have it in the >> "Launch Phases"? >> >> John > > Let me explain what I understand about "0-day changes". I think "0-day > changes to release notes" means, the last minute changes came to > release-notes writers. Please correct me, if I am wrong. It's really "changes to support 0-day update," which might make it clearer. Docs has to prepare the final Release Notes for the GA several weeks in advance so that composes can be tested, synced, etc. Invariably there will be material that pops up in the meantime which is important enough to have an update available for users to read on release day. So we do another round of content importing (not a lot, usually), issue a new POT, have a few days for translators to incrementally update the content, and publish package updates and Web content. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I >>>> wonder, why these documentation writing tasks are neither mentioned >>>> in Documentation schedule nor in translation schedule? >>>> >>> Yes, this part of my "revelation" last week :) We need to be very >>> explicit with the task names both in the documentation schedule and >>> the translation schedule. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Btw, I have got one more doubt. Why can't we put "Translate 0-day >>>> release notes for docs.fp.org" in the Launch phase as well, rather >>>> than in maintenance phase? >>>> >>>> >>> I put it in the maintenance phase because that is when it >>> occurs--after GA, which is when the maintenance of a release begins. >>> Is there an important reason why you would like to have it in the >>> "Launch Phases"? >>> >>> John >>> >> Let me explain what I understand about "0-day changes". I think "0-day >> changes to release notes" means, the last minute changes came to >> release-notes writers. Please correct me, if I am wrong. >> > > It's really "changes to support 0-day update," which might make it > clearer. Docs has to prepare the final Release Notes for the GA > several weeks in advance so that composes can be tested, synced, etc. > Invariably there will be material that pops up in the meantime which > is important enough to have an update available for users to read on > release day. So we do another round of content importing (not a lot, > usually), issue a new POT, have a few days for translators to > incrementally update the content, and publish package updates and Web > content. > > Thanks Paul! It's clear to me now! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 19:55:34 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:55:34 -0700 Subject: New language codes? In-Reply-To: <26091802.2031222759719868.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> References: <26091802.2031222759719868.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1222804534.3452.72.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 03:30 -0400, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > Here are the proposed renames. I'm not an expert, and some codes would > make more sense without a country-qualifier I guess (country qualifier > is ISO-wise optional). If the country qualifier is ISO defined and not a political spark the way flags are, then I don't see a barrier to country-qualifiers. It makes them a bit busier to read, but more informative. For example, 'ca-ES' tells me much more than 'ca' did. Makes sense to use them. Thanks for this, I hadn't realized how far adrift we'd gone. :) - Karsten > bn_IN -> bn-IN > ca -> ca-ES > cs -> cs-CZ > da -> da-DK > de -> de-DE > el -> el-GR > es -> es-ES > fi -> fi-FI > fr -> fr-FR > gu -> gu-IN > he -> he-IL > hi_IN -> hi-IN > hr -> hr-HR > hu -> hu-HU > id -> id-ID > it -> it-IT > ja -> ja-JP > ms -> ms-MY > nb -> nb-NO > nl -> nl-NL > pa -> pa-IN > pl -> pl-PL > pt_BR -> pt-BR > pt -> pt-PT > ru -> ru-RU > sk -> sk-SK > sr -> sr-RS > sr_Latn -> sr_Latn-RS > sv -> sv-SE > ta -> ta-IN > uk -> uk-UA > zh_CN -> zh-CN > zh_TW -> zh-TW -- Karsten Wade, Community Gardener Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Sep 30 20:21:26 2008 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten 'quaid' Wade) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:26 -0700 Subject: F10 Documentation In-Reply-To: <14373420.2111222765443246.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> References: <14373420.2111222765443246.JavaMail.asgeirf@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1222806086.3452.89.camel@calliope.phig.org> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 05:06 -0400, Asgeir Frimannsson wrote: > > Would it be ok If I set up a cron job that: > > 1) Puts translation statistics on a public web page (to make it > > simple, e.g. my fedorapeople web space) > > 2) Sends updated statistics to fedora-trans-list daily, or even after > > each 'submission' depending on how much we want to spam that list... > > > > In addition, we could add a link to this stats through the front page > > of translate.fedoraproject.org I was more hoping we'd have the actual content on the appropriate module page at translate.fedoraproject.org. Are those pages too dynamic, or can we insert XHTML specific to a module? I'm thinking specifically of an