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Re: CMS discussions yet again



Karsten Wade wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:51:29AM -0500, David Nalley wrote:
Sparks, jsmith and I were talking in IRC and I thought the
conversation should have a bit wider audience.

I think that while kbase and housing documentation for packaging
guidelines and legal are excellent use cases for a CMS, I wonder if by
trying to use it for everything we are not trying to use a hammer to
drive a screw. My reason for saying that is that it seems like we are
trying to push all of our non-wiki documentation into the CMS, which
at least from my perspectives means we, to one degree or another, are
abandoning DocBook.

For our 'heavy' documents, such as Release Notes, User Guide, and
Security Guide, I don't see an escape from DocBook - it provides a lot
of advantages that just don't exist in a CMS.  It does have
disadvantages to be sure, but I guess the question in my mind is with
all of the talk of moving to a CMS are we really prepared to ditch
DocBook and it's benefits? Or is the CMS a solution for things like
Legal and Packaging Guidelines, and potentially a knowledgebase, and
not more?

Thoughts, Comments, Flames?

I think all of this was answered in my responses to other threads.

We have to consider a document as coming from an upstream.  The team
working on the document can choose from a wide variety of content
solutions --
What upstream? We are just going to loot other distros docs now because they manage to get stuff published?

* fp.org/wiki
* fhosted.org/$foo/wiki
* fhosted.org/$foo/$xml
* docs.fp.org/$cms (they will, you know they will)
So four solutions is how to ensure consistency...



To some degree, this Docs Project team needs to think of itself as
packagers.  Some content we package we produce ourselves; some we get
from upstreams.  Where we control the full lifecycle, we make certain
choices.  Where we cannot control the full lifecycle, we take what we
get and do what we need to it.

What lifecycle? Most docs projects are stagnant wiki pages? Models are great when there is real development going on but a hindrance when there isn't.

We 100% should have a consistent, best-practice, preferred, and
documented set of tools and process to take ideas to published.

Absolutely. That means one(1) solution. The kernel is almost entirely written in C and managed with git repositories. They don't have 14 repository types and 10 different languages. Consistency is one size fits all. Only git and DocBook would be a consistent fedora docs project. Any other system is inconsistent by definition.

We also need to accomodate the many places content is coming from and
not expect that we can enforce (all of) our styles on them.

You keep talking about content coming from places as if it actually is coming in. Last I looked there were two(2) documents actually being produced: the security guide and the release notes. Perhaps two is many in your world but most people's definition of many is more than that.

There is a balance in here; from experience we can know "All
DocBook XML following this specific standard in our single version
control system" does not scale to support something the size of the
Fedora Project, much less just Fedora Linux.

Bull. It scales well with other projects. Referencing gentoo again because it is where I used to do a lot of documentation. Single SVN repo and GuideXML. They have several orders of magnitude more content than fedora project.

It simply doesn't scale with your desire to have fingers in every pie.

Chris


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