From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:34:58 2009
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 11:34:58 +0100
Subject: OT probably: Fedora rpm guides to beBook?
Message-ID: <4A4B3BD2.3050206@gmail.com>
Can someone give me the best way,
to get the guides
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Java
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process
I need to an ebook reader.
http://mybebook.com/
Frank
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From jim at dls.net Wed Jul 1 13:08:39 2009
From: jim at dls.net (Jim Thompson)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 08:08:39 -0500
Subject: OT probably: Fedora rpm guides to beBook?
In-Reply-To: <4A4B3BD2.3050206@gmail.com>
References: <4A4B3BD2.3050206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1246453719.4640.44.camel@localhost>
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:34 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Can someone give me the best way,
> to get the guides
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/CreatingPackageHowTo
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Java
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Review_Process
>
> I need to an ebook reader.
>
> http://mybebook.com/
>
Looks like your ebook reader supports .htm
Save the pages you want as .htm from Firefox or your favorite web
browser.
Import into the reader.
If there are pictures that you care about on any of these pages you may
have to play around with placement of the image files and format of the
tags to make your reader happy.
Regards,
jim
From frankly3d at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 19:14:43 2009
From: frankly3d at gmail.com (Frank Murphy)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:14:43 +0100
Subject: OT probably: Fedora rpm guides to beBook?
In-Reply-To: <1246453719.4640.44.camel@localhost>
References: <4A4B3BD2.3050206@gmail.com> <1246453719.4640.44.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4A4BB5A3.8050500@gmail.com>
On 01/07/09 14:08, Jim Thompson wrote:
>
>
> Looks like your ebook reader supports .htm
>
> Save the pages you want as .htm from Firefox or your favorite web
> browser.
> Import into the reader.
>
> If there are pictures that you care about on any of these pages you may
> have to play around with placement of the image files and format of the
> tags to make your reader happy.
>
> Regards,
>
> jim
>
Thanks Jim.
Frank
From ian at ianweller.org Thu Jul 2 00:01:49 2009
From: ian at ianweller.org (Ian Weller)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 19:01:49 -0500
Subject: Fedora Project documentation moving to CC BY-SA (fwd)
Message-ID: <20090702000149.GH8872@deathray.ianweller.org>
----- Forwarded message from Mike Linksvayer -----
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 15:05:03 -0700
From: Mike Linksvayer
To: Ian Weller
Cc: nathan at creativecommons.org
Subject: Re: Fedora Project documentation moving to CC BY-SA
Yes, would be glad to. Ping us when the relicensing is done and we
can blog it. Or if you want a quote for a press release or something,
can provide that too.
Mike
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Ian Weller wrote:
> (paulproteus on IRC sent me your way...)
>
> Hi, I'm on the Docs Team at the Fedora Project [1], and we're very close
> to relicensing our documentation (and potentially our wiki) under the CC
> BY-SA license (pending our legal team giving multiple nods).
>
> We were wondering if you could provide us with a little marketing buzz
> on the subject. Let me know what we can work out. :)
>
> Thanks!
>
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From eric at christensenplace.us Thu Jul 2 01:16:57 2009
From: eric at christensenplace.us (Eric Christensen)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:16:57 -0400
Subject: Docs Meeting 2009-07-02 IRC log
Message-ID: <1246497417.4454.8.camel@thunder>
00:00:44 #startmeeting
00:01:01 #maintopic Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
00:01:39 Hmmm....
00:01:45 #topic Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
00:01:51 Roll Call!!!
00:01:54 * Sparks is here
00:01:59 * radsy is here
00:02:00 hi!
00:02:07 * jjmcd is here
00:02:12 annette!
00:02:16 * ianweller adds something to the agenda really fast
00:02:21 * poelcat here for ~ 30min (schedule worked out)
00:03:30 * ianweller is done adding things to the agenda
00:03:32 poelcat: Great, we'll get you in at the beginning
00:03:34 * quaid is here
00:03:39 ianweller: noted
00:03:48 Sparks: oh you were looking for #meetingtopic earlier instead of #maintopic
00:03:55 Sparks: or you can pass that as an argument to #startmeeting.
00:04:19 * Sparks moves some things around...
00:04:34 ianweller: That's what I was looking for... Gees...
00:04:35 TU
00:05:43 Okay... I've modified the agenda a bit...
00:06:04 #meetingtopic Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings#Agenda_for_Next_Meeting
00:06:19 #topic F12 Calendar <-- poelcat
00:06:51 poelcat has been nice enough to create a calendar for us for the F12 release...
00:06:58 looking to see if there was any feedback on the schedules I proposed
00:07:02 and he sent it to everyone via the list.
00:07:13 Has everyone looked at it?
00:07:26 also curious if there was any interest in the ical/ics file?
00:07:28 * Sparks goes to get the links real quick.
00:07:38 poelcat: I like the ical...
00:07:47 someone have a link handy?
00:07:53 it's worth having anyway
00:07:57 Don't know enough about what we are going to do to know whether it makes sense or not
00:08:00 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-tasks.html
00:08:12 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-and-releng-tasks.html
00:08:20 #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs.ics
00:08:32 The first link is the docs tasks on a calendar...
00:08:46 the second link is the docs + releng tasks on a calendar...
00:08:57 and the third link is the docs ics
00:09:39 jjmcd: This is the master calendar for the F12 release.
00:09:52 Yes, but I have significant questions
00:09:59 jjmcd: go!
00:10:11 Now that alpha is a real alpha, for example, does the 1 page RN's make sense
00:10:37 Before alpha was a hoax, now it is feature complete
00:10:59 i took the previous "beta" tasks and relabled them "alpha"
00:11:21 That is probably not too bad an approximation
00:11:42 Especially since we probably don't really know how alpha and beta will turn out
00:11:56 the biggest things to consider are "is there enough time to do the tasks listed and do the order of events look right"
00:12:04 What Jesse things might not turne out
00:12:11 + based on what you learned in F11... have we factored that in
00:12:48 I think that is a good start
00:13:07 i can always change/adjust things
00:13:32 and most importantly as you notice things in F12 that don't work well that you want to change for F13... tell me as they happen
00:13:46 and i'll start factoring them into a draft for f13
00:14:13 * poelcat says f13 for one more channel highlight for jesse ;-)
00:14:35 Gees, are we already thinking f13?
00:14:46 well nobody else probably is, but I do :)
00:14:51 I mean, gees, we just got done with f11 and we are already thinking f13?
00:14:56 f13
00:14:57 always think ahead
00:15:01 f13... Wow... f13
00:15:02 :)
00:15:09 yeah, poor Jesse
00:15:22 his nick will light up for _years_
00:15:32 another important thing to consider is handoffs between translation team and docs
00:15:49 and to verify if those look right
00:16:03 jjmcd: How long did it take the translators to finish the RN for f11?
00:16:17 several weeks - three i think
00:16:36 i created another special version for that: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-and-trans-tasks.html
00:16:37 and that's with making changes along the way, right?
00:16:47 yes
00:17:13 * Sparks would still like to figure out a better process so we aren't making so many changes
00:17:16 I think it ought to go better with propere warning
00:18:47 Yeah
00:18:57 so any more input to the calendar?
00:19:12 poelcat: Can you put our weekly meeting on the ics?
00:20:07 Sparks: i can definitely try... there are some things that make creating the ics not so straight forward
00:20:15 I can imagine.
00:20:20 Okay, anything else about this topic?
00:20:26 as just building the taskjuggler file, but it will either work or it won't
00:20:33 the challenge is landing it at the right time
00:20:38 i'll look into it
00:20:48 Thanks
00:21:05 what is the official meeting time in UTC ?
00:21:22 0001 UTC
00:21:31 and we go for an hour or so
00:21:34 got it.. that's all from me
00:21:39 Thanks!
00:21:41 Anyone else?
00:21:58 #topic Status on CC license discussion. <--quaid
00:22:06 * Sparks hears quaid has news
00:23:00 quaid: Ummm... quaid?
00:23:02 mebbe he didn't hear his que
00:23:05 ok
00:23:11 yeah, silent alarm or what
00:23:23 I don't have any more news than what was on list
00:23:31 i) we seem to have consensus
00:23:50 ii) but there is concern that people will feel overridden by the CLA directives being used
00:24:10 iii) I'm writing a blog post that gives all the Real and Great Reasons we need to enact the nuclear option in the CLA
00:24:32 once that is out there...maybe a thread'O'doom on f-devel-l is called for?
00:24:43 the point is, we need to alert people the change is imminent
00:24:50 maybe set a deadline for comments? 2 weeks?
00:24:56 and spread the word wide and noisy
00:24:57 wait
00:24:58 then do it
00:25:01 comments? questions?
00:25:08 Well... I'd like a quick vote... Does anyone have any problem with using the CLA to push the license change?
00:25:24 vote--
00:25:25 +1 to changing the license using the nuclear option
00:25:31 we have a consensus on list
00:25:34 +1
00:25:52 if there are objections,we need to take them right back to the discussion, is all I'm saying.
00:25:56 quaid: Yeah, I just want to make sure no one here has any problems that we can work on now.
00:26:02 so even a single -1 == back to the list IMO
00:26:10 yes
00:26:30 did I sufficiently answer Sparks questions on list?
00:26:44 that was what made me realize I needed to do a wider post; reexplain from the top,etc.
00:26:47 what?
00:26:57 ianweller: your coffee is boiling over
00:27:23 ocrap
00:27:25 ;)
00:27:40 quaid: oh god a thread'O'doom?!
00:27:47 i don't need more email than i'm already getting
00:28:33 Anyone care to put a vote down or am I to assume that no vote is a +1 vote?
00:28:43 I'll vote 0
00:28:47 ianweller: I expect arrows, mud,and pitch
00:29:01 quaid: i expect all of that to be flaming. :(
00:29:03 when we tell people that the CLA needs to be used to change a license like that
00:29:14 * ianweller votes 0 on the proposal, i just wanna nuclearize it now ;)
00:29:23 jjmcd: are you unsettled by something?
00:29:40 at the least,folks,make sure I answer all the questions when I write this article :)
00:29:43 I like the CC by SA, a little uncomfortable wit pushing too hard
00:30:09 my argument is that we are on a teeny, tiny island all by ourselves
00:30:18 jjmcd: The problem we have is the problem of calling in everyone that has ever touched anything that is covered by the license. We just can't do that.
00:30:19 for example,we rewrite GNOME docs each release.
00:30:40 for our ability to do open content
00:30:41 Yeah, the best we can do is to get all our current contributors to buy in
00:30:48 the relicensing is crucial
00:31:16 jjmcd: Yes and I think we (Docs) has been doing that.
00:31:30 ok, I'll write my piece, cross post it,and see where that goes
00:31:41 I haven't heard objections, but I haven't heard from laubersm, don't recall Zach
00:31:43 OK with setting a 2 week deadline for discussion?
00:32:03 Sounds like a plan
00:32:11 Apache consensus rules are in effect
00:32:16 quaid: Yes... 2 weeks from today. If we need to we'll hold a town hall meeting and I'll put you at the front of the room. :)
00:32:26 if someone doesn't speak up in a reasonable period of time, that is taken as consent :)
00:32:33 Sparks: OK!
00:32:58 But lets make a special effort to be sure the F10 contributors have heard the story
00:32:58 :)
00:33:06 jjmcd: how?
00:33:11 that is, we've been discussing it on list for 6 weeks
00:33:30 Direct email to those that haven't been here - I doubt there's more than 2 or three
00:33:53 ok
00:33:57 * quaid will do that
00:34:10 I don't forsee a problem, but some have been busy lately, I'm thinking of laubersm but I suspect there may be one or two others
00:34:16 quaid: We can hit the list that goes to everyone that is on the Docs FAS group
00:34:38 Sparks: but they should all be on f-docs-l
00:34:45 I'll email people
00:34:52 who committed changes to any repo for the last two releases
00:35:04 Yeah, I don't know we need to go after the whole list - quaid - exactly
00:35:11 but I don't want to circumnavigate the established channels of communication.
00:35:29 the list == the channel, but hey :)
00:35:35 ;-)
00:36:29 After listening to Paul and Jan maybe I'm a little over sensitive
00:36:59 Okay, anything else?
00:37:57 #topic Ian has news from CC on the licensing change marketing whatnottery
00:38:00 ianweller: Go!
00:39:16 Is someone else asleep?
00:40:10 hmmm - while I was watching ianweller changed from 10 minutes ago to 144 minutes ago, whats up with that
00:40:16 Okay, we'll come back to him.
00:40:20 what?
00:40:21 i'm here
00:40:30 sorry :)
00:40:34 marketeer time
00:40:35 ianweller: ^^^ topic
00:40:46 http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-July/msg00003.html <-- got this from CC today.
00:40:51 it's been sent to fedora-docs-list as you can tell.
00:40:59 that's all i've got ;)
00:42:00 ianweller: Well... what is it?
00:42:12 that they're willing to make a blog post
00:42:28 saying "hey look they switched licenses whee"
00:42:35 and we just need top ing them when we're ready to do that
00:43:12 cool
00:43:16 Anyone have any questions?
00:44:02 #topic Shared open-source style guide
00:44:08 ke4qqq: You around tonight?
00:45:20 I guess not.
00:45:39 I don't think there has been any change. Does anyone have any questions or comments?
00:46:24 no
00:46:27 #topic Bugzilla Component Changes
00:46:38 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sparks/BZ_and_Guide_Table
00:46:58 So I started the process of moving files around and removing the products from our BZ component.
00:47:22 If anyone has a project that needs to be in BZ please let me know and I can get you setup pretty quickly.
00:47:31 Anyone have any questions or comments?
00:48:23 #topic
00:48:28 #topic Outstanding BZ Tickets
00:48:42 #link http://tinyurl.com/lgx98o
00:48:54 If everyone would take a look at the above link...
00:49:03 those tickets are just outstanding! ;)
00:49:13 these are the outstanding tickets that were opened during the month of June that haven't been accepted.
00:49:40 ianweller: Yes they are because these are tickets that people filed because they care enough about our products!
00:49:51 :D
00:50:58 I'm not going to go through them all tonight but I would like to start running through the ones we need to work on so we can respond to the appropriately.
00:51:10 but feel free to take one!
00:52:07 questions?
00:52:25 #topic DocsProject wiki pages changes
00:52:32 ianweller: What's the word on wikibot?
00:52:42 it's on my to-do list
00:53:29 Okay...
00:53:42 IOW, nothing. :(
00:54:04 Yeah... Well, we should probably revisit this again and see what needs to be done.
00:54:09 questions?
00:54:51 #topic With the new definition of alpha and beta, do we need to treat release notes differently?
00:54:58 jjmcd: Did you put this up there?
00:55:04 Yes
00:55:20 I wonder whether the one pager is in keeping with "feature complete"
00:55:45 Not sure that it is realistic to do much more so early tho
00:55:56 the one pager? Is this the idea stickster_afk had at the FAD?
00:56:03 But I haven't fully digested the schedule and what it means
00:56:12 No, that's what poelcat just sait
00:56:15 said
00:56:41 What we used to do for beta
00:56:47 Ahhh
00:57:06 Well, if you want to do something different this time around I'm all ears.
00:57:21 f13 really wants alpha and beta to actually be alpha and beta, and I understand his point
00:57:38 but I obviously can't predict whether what he wants will actually happen
00:58:26 So perhaps this needs another week for a more meaningful discussion, with proposals for ppl to chew on
00:59:03 worksfor me
00:59:18 I'll digest it all over the next week
00:59:42 Still haven't dug out from my email since I was away
00:59:59 All that Berliner Kindl you know
01:00:07 :)
01:00:56 okay, so we'll discuss it more next week.
01:01:06 Also I spoke with glezos and the German translator about their problems
01:01:22 Anything to report?
01:01:37 Not really, just what you would expect, except perhaps
01:01:49 that the new transifex will help us both
01:01:58 Amen
01:02:20 when will that be up and running?
01:02:29 Well, it's finally been packaged
01:02:40 That's encouraging.
01:02:42 So I guess RSN :)
01:03:10 As I understand, that was the blocker
01:03:28 usually is
01:03:36 ;)
01:03:40 Also
01:03:46 * quaid >muffle, muffle, murg<
01:04:16 spot didn't laugh too much at my spec file, so I guess I have more confidence in pushing to do whatever I need to in order to won that and get Jesse out of the loop
01:04:24 * ianweller has to run, bye
01:04:30 s/won/own
01:04:40 seeYA ianweller
01:06:33 eof
01:06:34 Okay, anything else?
01:06:46 #topic Guide needs?
01:06:53 Anyone have any needs for their guides?
01:07:41 I guess not...
01:07:48 #topic New Guides
01:07:55 Okay, someone put down the RPM guide
01:07:58 Who was that?
01:08:06 Florian asked if we could take over the rpm guide
01:08:19