Release Notes Schedule

John J. McDonough wb8rcr at
Wed Jul 29 23:56:44 UTC 2009

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noriko Mizumoto" <noriko at>
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Subject: Re: Release Notes Schedule

John Poelstra さんは書きました:
> John J. McDonough said the following on 07/28/2009 04:37 AM Pacific Time:
>> Noriko
>> Thank you so much for your careful review
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Noriko Mizumoto" <noriko at>
>> To: "Fedora Translation Project List" <fedora-trans-list at>
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>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: Release Notes Schedule
>>> * 4.7 Translate f-r-n for beta Sep 6 to Sep 26 21d
>>> This seems not consistent with f-12-trans-tasks, which says Sep 9 to Sep 
>>> 18.
>> While I stuck with John's dates for the releases, I tried to maximize the 
>> time L10N had available. I wonder whether 9 days is sufficient. I would 
>> expect this cycle that the beta would be the bulk of the release notes 
>> (although I suppose that remains to be seen).
>>> * 4.8 Build f-r-n.rpm for beta Sep 29
>>> A question, there is 2 days blank between 4.7 and 4.8. What is this for?
>> No good reason
>>> * 6.7 Translate f-r-n for GA Oct 20 to Oct 26 7d
>>> This seems not consistent with f-12-trans-tasks, which says Oct 9 to Oct 
>>> 16.
>> The later we can do this the better. Release notes seem to be the last 
>> thing on people's radar, and we tend to discover important changes late, 
>> so the later we can make the POTs the better. Also, the original schedule 
>> had some Docs tasks out of order.
>>> * Review translation not scheduled
>>> Please set up 'Review translation'. Since we translate PO file, so it is 
>>> extremely helpful if docs team can build html for review before the 
>>> deadline.
>> That is a really excellent catch. I think we need to work on the 
>> mechanics of this, but it could have a number of advantages.
>>> * 7.4 Translate 0-day
>>> I understand that docs team has little window for Zero Day Update. But 
>>> let me become devil this time as experiment. Is any chance that rel-note 
>>> team can place this entry before GA Public Availability 3-Nov for 
>>> inclusion? Just tiny window is fine. I can not guarantee at all how many 
>>> translators can respond.
>> My expectation was that on release day the 0-day changes would be 
>> available in English only, with an update rpm to follow the release. 
>> However, we are still discussing whether it makes sense to have a single 
>> rpm with six documents in 41 languages, so that may change. It might make 
>> more sense to delay the availability of the update rpm rather than try to 
>> push the POT creation earlier, thus missing late breaking changes. On the 
>> other end, we are going to try to be more proactive in hounding the 
>> developers for release notes input, so maybe we can reduce the number of 
>> those late changes.
>> --McD
> This is a great discussion and it is really exciting to see different 
> people asking the hard questions and looking for the holes that I used to 
> try and do all on my own :)
> Unfortunately I've found that it is extremely hard (as you may be seeing 
> already) to create a really solid schedule over email, particularly when 
> more than one team is involved and questions have been raised in response 
> to tasks or dates someone has previously suggested.
> I would like to propose that we meet on Gobby & FedoraTalk next. So far I 
> have met with: Design, Release Engineering, Quality, and Marketing to go 
> over the Fedora 12 schedule this way. I think everyone who attended those 
> meetings would say they were tremendously efficient and helpful :-)
I am not good at those at all, but will try. Btw, irc is better option
for me ;p
> Could someone set up a meeting time and date using I 
> promise to add my availability and create a text version of the existing 
> schedule that we can then hack through and update together on Gobby. It 
> helps if I am there so I can capture the dependencies between the tasks 
> and embed them in the TaskJuggler source file.
> Thanks,
> John

I think John has the right idea here, but I'm not sure I know who all the 
players need to be.


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