IRC log FDSCo 27 Sep 2005

[Paul W. Frields]

Sep 27 16:15:48 <stickster> <meeting>
Sep 27 16:15:59 <elliss> Anything interesting on the packaging front ?
Sep 27 16:16:08 <G2> Non-docs?
Sep 27 16:16:21 <stickster> Actually, I made some strides around my
vacation time on the packaging issue
Sep 27 16:16:34 <megacoder> OK, I can go first.  I sent out the
native-FOP compile solicitation
Sep 27 16:16:34 <megacoder> once again and was deafened by the silence.
However, it seems that
Sep 27 16:16:34 <megacoder> the KDE folk are using "dblatex" for the PDF
rendering.  I just
Sep 27 16:16:34 <megacoder> yesterday upgraded to FC4 and got dblatex
installed.  Haven't had
Sep 27 16:16:34 <megacoder> time to try it out, though.
Sep 27 16:17:03 <G2> megacoder: I've been playing with dblatex too
Sep 27 16:17:18 <G2> the SAmba docs use it for their PDF generation
Sep 27 16:17:25 <stickster> Well, it's obvious that we're not going to
get anywhere by FC5 timeframe on the native-FOP front
Sep 27 16:17:41 <megacoder> Any first-time results on the dblatex trial?
Sep 27 16:17:50 <G2> The Samba docs don't even build, so I couldn't even
start to mod them for FC
Sep 27 16:18:11 <G2> John Terpstra says they use Debian and Suse 9.3
Sep 27 16:18:39 <G2> But there's some error about dup xml definitions
that I can't nail
Sep 27 16:18:41 <stickster> Is dblatex part of FE? or FC?
Sep 27 16:18:46 <quaid> hi, sorry, I am in meetings on the phone and in
a different timezone from home, but I'm present
Sep 27 16:18:49 <G2> stickster: no
Sep 27 16:19:11 <stickster> G2: Ah, what are the chances of packaging
for FE?
Sep 27 16:19:13 <megacoder> I also got a response that RenderX may be
willing to provide FDP with a non-cost license to their XEP renderer.
Individuals could download their no-cost version for local draft
rendering.
Sep 27 16:19:26 <stickster> megacoder: Not FOSS enough
Sep 27 16:19:27 <avatraxiom> *I'm* even present. Gee.
Sep 27 16:19:29 <quaid> won't work for Fedoar, the RenderX solution
Sep 27 16:19:53 <quaid> but a working dblatex would be cool, I'm in for
the Band-Aid(TM)
Sep 27 16:19:56 <megacoder> Didn't think that would fly, either.  Still,
I wanted to pass it on.
Sep 27 16:20:07 <stickster> megacoder: Good of you to do so :-)
Sep 27 16:20:09 <G2> stickster: I installed the db2latex cvs rpm from
2003, as per recommended by Samba, but it needs xml-utils
Sep 27 16:20:27 <stickster> That explains your html-xml-utils thingie --
was there a reason not to use Provides: xml-utils?
Sep 27 16:20:51 <G2> stickster: Doh, I totally forgot you could do that.
Sep 27 16:20:58 <G2> stickster: Yo sould have piped up
Sep 27 16:21:07 <G2>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=168920
Sep 27 16:21:16 <stickster> I'm sorry, I thought it might have been
verboten or cause someone namespace heartburn
Sep 27 16:21:34 <stickster> I'm piping up in the bug now
Sep 27 16:21:34 <G2> stickster: I think it might have
Sep 27 16:21:59 <G2> stickster: but if the db2latex is not packaged for
FC anyway, it doesn't matter. I can rewrite it
Sep 27 16:22:17 <G2> so name is whatever we what it to be.
Sep 27 16:22:34 <G2> that db2latex RPM was a SUSE one anyway
Sep 27 16:23:20 <stickster> G2: Still want bug comment then?
Sep 27 16:23:23 --- TSEKINE is now known as tseki_bot
Sep 27 16:23:42 <quaid> is anyone tracking/editing the
DocsProject/FedoraDocsSchedule wiki?
Sep 27 16:23:48 <G2> stickster: nah. I;ll do the new one.
Sep 27 16:23:59 <stickster> G2: ok
Sep 27 16:24:01 <G2> quaid: I forgot to update the writers page this
week.
Sep 27 16:24:18 <quaid> G2: :)
Sep 27 16:24:23 <stickster> quaid: We were doing AOB first, but I think
that went by the wayside
Sep 27 16:24:31 <quaid> I'll edit the FedoraDocsSchedule, just in case
Sep 27 16:24:34 * quaid locks the edit
Sep 27 16:24:38 --- gregdek is now known as gregdek_gone
Sep 27 16:24:58 <stickster> quaid: Do you want to take over? Sorry to
step on toes
Sep 27 16:25:18 <quaid> no, please go on
Sep 27 16:25:21 <quaid> just offering to help
Sep 27 16:25:22 <G2> stickster was rathe quick to step in, I might
add ;-)
Sep 27 16:25:32 <stickster> Yeah, only 15 min late y'know
Sep 27 16:25:37 <quaid> he was supposed to do it quicker!  15 whole
minutes ...
Sep 27 16:25:40 <quaid> :D
Sep 27 16:25:47 <megacoder> Just wait until there's an estate to
settle...
Sep 27 16:26:00 <stickster> Ha
Sep 27 16:26:01 * quaid waves the ink dry on the prenup
Sep 27 16:26:12 * G2 heard a faint, "down with quaid, down with quaid",
from sticksters corner ;-)
Sep 27 16:26:18 <stickster> I see that quaid has the next 2.5 items on
the schedule, so he better pipe down
Sep 27 16:26:23 <stickster> :-D
Sep 27 16:26:48 <stickster> *BANG* This has been a test... if this had
been a real coup, all you bastards would be first against the wall
Sep 27 16:27:34 * stickster hears crickets <chirp, chirp>
Sep 27 16:27:38 <G2> s/bastards/nice fellow committee members/g;
Sep 27 16:27:40 <megacoder> Now we're faced with the age-old question:
what do you do with the revolutionary after the revolution?
Sep 27 16:27:51 <quaid> sorry, see, I'm on the phone ... go ahead and
continue without me, I'll just watch and edit the wiki :)
Sep 27 16:27:54 <stickster> np
Sep 27 16:28:01 <quaid> if you want to AOB instead, rock on
Sep 27 16:28:18 <megacoder> aob?
Sep 27 16:28:22 <stickster> OK... let's skip quaid for now so we can get
out of here by 2100 UTC
Sep 27 16:28:25 <quaid> all other business
Sep 27 16:28:25 <stickster> all Other Business
Sep 27 16:28:45 <stickster> XML from MoinMoin -- elliss ?
Sep 27 16:28:47 <megacoder> of course.  just checking who was awake.
Sep 27 16:29:00 <stickster> megacoder: you sly dog ;-)
Sep 27 16:29:22 <elliss> I sent a mail with a basic doc
Sep 27 16:29:23 <stickster> Whoops, that should have been: Recruitment,
G2 
Sep 27 16:29:24 <G2> Has anyone got PDFs working without gjc? ie. SUun
JAva?
Sep 27 16:29:46 <G2> stickster: done bugger all the past week re that
Sep 27 16:30:04 <stickster> Right! Next
Sep 27 16:30:07 <G2> I should rope some of the newcomers in
Sep 27 16:30:22 <megacoder> Yeah, I've got a FOP patch that lets Apache
FOP (sun jvm) build any document I've tried it on.
Sep 27 16:30:57 <megacoder> But, again, it ain't free software
Sep 27 16:31:22 <G2> megacoder: Do the PDFs work and look nice? Got one
I could see, out of interest?
Sep 27 16:31:37 <stickster> G2: Yeah, how about doing the following:
draft a short, sweet note asking people to activate; send to FDSCo list
for comment, then send to people listed on Wiki
Sep 27 16:31:58 <megacoder> Sure.  I'll send you a link.  I'm still
recovering from my FC3=>FC4 reload.
Sep 27 16:32:10 <G2> thanks.
Sep 27 16:32:16 <G2> stickster: Will do in the morning.
Sep 27 16:32:25 <stickster> G2: Excellent, rock on
Sep 27 16:32:37 <G2> stickster: party dude ;-)
Sep 27 16:32:41 <stickster> OK then... elliss and MoinMoin -> XML
Sep 27 16:32:52 * G2 notes the early ninties slang
Sep 27 16:33:22 <elliss> Re: mail. We could use extra help on the other
draft docs on the Wiki, if they'd like something larger than relnotes
Sep 27 16:33:38 <elliss> MoinMoin > XML...
Sep 27 16:34:02 <elliss> It produces DocBook OK
Sep 27 16:34:03 <stickster> elliss: right on, re: extra help... make
sure you coordinate a bit about that in G2's "please help us" note
Sep 27 16:34:34 <elliss> One note for both, I thought
Sep 27 16:34:38 <stickster> elliss: By the way, the work you've been
putting in on the Wiki has been really notable
Sep 27 16:34:45 <stickster> elliss: That works
Sep 27 16:35:12 <elliss> Can I pimp the #fedora-wiki channel ?
Sep 27 16:35:28 <elliss> It's just nman64 and me in there currently.
Sep 27 16:35:30 <stickster> Sure, whatever works to bring in talented,
willing writers
Sep 27 16:35:37 <stickster> Or even just willing writers at this
point :-)
Sep 27 16:35:37 <nman64> You mean I can have company in there?!
Sep 27 16:36:06 <elliss> I meant for the minutes, really
Sep 27 16:36:17 <stickster> Consider it done
Sep 27 16:36:19 <elliss> Since they get linked to various places
Sep 27 16:36:26 <stickster> ***MINUTES NOTE: Pimp #fedora-wiki
Sep 27 16:36:43 <stickster> :-)
Sep 27 16:36:53 <elliss> Job done
Sep 27 16:37:01 <elliss> Export stuff
Sep 27 16:37:16 <elliss> I sent a doc that exports
Sep 27 16:37:43 <elliss> I'm currently writing a couple of sections of
the Admin Guide for a bigger test
Sep 27 16:38:08 <elliss> Known issues are documented on Wiki as I hit
them
Sep 27 16:38:24 <stickster> I saw some of this done already, and I think
you wrote some authoring notes too, right?
Sep 27 16:38:30 <stickster> Like how to use admonitions, etc...
Sep 27 16:38:48 <elliss> Yes
Sep 27 16:38:52 * stickster does big Golf Clap(tm) for elliss 
Sep 27 16:39:04 <elliss> Linkage:
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/WritingUsingTheWiki
Sep 27 16:39:06 <-- avatraxiom has quit (Remote closed the connection)
Sep 27 16:39:23 <elliss> Mapping Wiki > DocBook isn't fully possible
Sep 27 16:39:37 <elliss> Wiki isn't rich enough
Sep 27 16:39:55 <stickster> No, because some Wiki is more presentation
oriented rather than conte[xn]t oriented
Sep 27 16:40:07 <elliss> That's it exactly
Sep 27 16:40:10 <stickster> If it gets us close that would be a big
help, since the whole mission is to get people involved
Sep 27 16:40:37 <elliss> The issue is standardising on a compromise
Sep 27 16:40:39 <G2> megacoder: don't forget to send that pdf link ;-)
Sep 27 16:40:52 <stickster> We have xmlformat and other tools to help...
as we go we might find a group of scripts to further XMLize the output
of the converter
Sep 27 16:40:54 <megacoder> working.. may take a bit.  patience,
Prudence.
Sep 27 16:41:14 <elliss> Either don't try to designate filename,
command, application etc.
Sep 27 16:41:31 <elliss> And tag it it all during conversion
Sep 27 16:41:45 <elliss> Or overload the italic, bold etc.
Sep 27 16:42:00 <stickster> elliss: I think the former is going to work
better
Sep 27 16:42:08 <stickster> Work better != work easier
Sep 27 16:42:22 <elliss> I currently think the opposite
Sep 27 16:42:44 <stickster> If we overload presentation markup, it gets
very confusing very easily, and you have to invent a lot more rules for
people to follow... more rules -> less participation
Sep 27 16:42:57 <elliss> Italic all reserved terms ?
Sep 27 16:43:17 <elliss> I'm thinking about bigger docs
Sep 27 16:43:53 <elliss> One person will have to do this by hand for
each doc
Sep 27 16:43:56 <stickster> Yes, but we are trying to get people to
contribute to *all* docs, so the rules need to work for small docs too,
i.e. not hamstringing people for pitching in :-)
Sep 27 16:44:16 <stickster> elliss: True, but with the right tools it's
not as bad as it seems
Sep 27 16:44:40 <elliss> which tools ?
Sep 27 16:44:49 <stickster> Plus, markup can be done by anybody who
knows DocBook XML... so many people have indicated they would help with
that part, it's almost a non-issue -- unless they all back out of
course :-D
Sep 27 16:45:08 <stickster> Whatever tools with which the marker-upper
is comfortable
Sep 27 16:45:41 <stickster> Everyone here would give a different answer,
so it really doesn't matter, as long as the markup is done according to
standards
Sep 27 16:46:37 <stickster> In case I'm being too general in my
comments, note that I'm talking about tools for marking the converted
proto-XML into fully marked up XML, and the standards for that are
documented in the DocGuide
Sep 27 16:47:06 <stickster> Comments?
Sep 27 16:47:17 <elliss> tools != automation
Sep 27 16:47:23 <stickster> Yes, that's correct
Sep 27 16:47:25 <nman64> We need to automate as much as possible, and
that means it is best if we can mark things during drafting.  Going back
over documents at conversion time for any more than is necessary is a
lot of manual effort.
Sep 27 16:47:50 <nman64> ...even when using tools.
Sep 27 16:48:10 <elliss> <filename>/root/</filename>, <system class
id=user>root</>
Sep 27 16:48:19 <stickster> But getting people to do it during drafting
means you are now imposing just another set of rules, and why then would
we bother using a Wiki? If we wanted rules, we could go back to having
everyone write in DocBook XML
Sep 27 16:48:31 <stickster> *however*...
Sep 27 16:48:43 <nman64> We are going to have to have guidelines.
There's no way around that.
Sep 27 16:49:01 <stickster> If you're talking about having a team of
XML-savvy wikimonkeys doing revisions on the drafts before conversion to
make it easier, hey, I'm all for it
Sep 27 16:49:03 <elliss> One rule may be enough: italic reserved for
search to pick up easier
Sep 27 16:49:14 <nman64> Simply stating that we want certain context
marked with certain markup isn't unreasonable or difficult to follow.
Sep 27 16:49:16 <stickster> elliss: That's more the idea
Sep 27 16:50:00 <stickster> nman64: It's not unreasonable, but we've
already determined through long conversations with some people who have
been down this road, that the best use of the wiki is to try to be as
hands-off as possible (in terms of process, that is) to encourage broad
participation
Sep 27 16:50:34 <stickster> Otherwise we're sliding down the slippery
slope back to requiring DocBook XML
Sep 27 16:50:49 <-- mrj has quit ("Be seeing you...")
Sep 27 16:51:05 <stickster> But hey, this is just my opinion... we
should hash this out on the list, that's what it's for
Sep 27 16:51:16 <nman64> You're preaching to the choir on that one.
Some guidelines are necessary, though, or we'll end up putting too much
effort into converting the documents to benefit from the extra
contributions.
Sep 27 16:51:35 <nman64> Agreed.
Sep 27 16:51:36 <elliss> Yes - I'll send a post after I've done a bit
more
Sep 27 16:51:43 <elliss> Say, Thursday
Sep 27 16:51:48 <stickster> nman64: I hear what you're saying too... but
I *long* for the day when we have so much material to markup that
someone has to complain :-D
Sep 27 16:52:05 <stickster> elliss: excellent
Sep 27 16:52:24 <stickster> Thanks for your thoughtfulness guys,
everybody appreciates the exceptional work you're doing
Sep 27 16:52:34 <elliss> Oh, for the record: won't be here next week
Sep 27 16:52:41 <elliss> travelling to FUDCON
Sep 27 16:52:47 <stickster> OK
Sep 27 16:52:51 <stickster> Have tons o' fun
Sep 27 16:52:55 * quaid reads up and agrees that italic for all reserved
terms is probably the lightest hand and helps us the most with search
and replace.
Sep 27 16:53:18 <quaid> also, {{{ }}} should be liberally used
Sep 27 16:53:33 <stickster> OK, shall we move on then to the next
priority section? I don't expect to get through with it, but we should
try to hit some of it since we had to bail on it last week :-)
Sep 27 16:53:53 <elliss> OK
Sep 27 16:54:00 <elliss> Time marches
Sep 27 16:54:13 <stickster> CVS chapter in DocGuide and common... isn't
that done?
Sep 27 16:54:35 <stickster> I know I made a change to fix something
Tommy (or someone, sorry I can't recall) found wrong
Sep 27 16:55:04 <elliss> docs-common ?
Sep 27 16:55:13 <elliss> Used to be called something else
Sep 27 16:55:21 <stickster> Right
Sep 27 16:55:30 <stickster> docs-common, just saving keystrokes ;-)
Sep 27 16:55:38 <megacoder> It wasn't I.  However, I think you are
referring to the wrong "docs-setup" checkout instead of the
"docs-common"
Sep 27 16:55:54 <stickster> Yeah, that's right Tommy... thanks for the
jog
Sep 27 16:56:00 <stickster> I see the DevGuide has it wrong too
Sep 27 16:56:04 <stickster> tcf: Are you handling this one?
Sep 27 16:56:38 <stickster> Sorry, by "has it wrong too," I meant "has
something wrong in a completely different but equally serious manner"
Sep 27 16:56:47 <elliss> Is the DevGuide still maintained/relevant ?
Sep 27 16:56:54 <stickster> It should be
Sep 27 16:57:14 <stickster> Although I note that it should be drawing
content from the wiki
Sep 27 16:57:51 <stickster> I know that the Extras guidance is not *so
much* in flux that this couldn't be done by someone watching the wiki
and importing changes by hand once a baseline was established
Sep 27 16:58:24 <stickster> OTOH, maybe this is no longer worth the
effort to maintain since policy may want to move faster than we do
Sep 27 16:58:29 <stickster> quaid: Your opinion?
Sep 27 16:58:41 <quaid> yeah, we might want to find a way to move it all
to the Wiki
Sep 27 16:58:43 <quaid> however
Sep 27 16:58:57 <quaid> we just recently got the entire source under OPL
for the RPM Guide
Sep 27 16:59:05 <quaid> so we have a chance to -increase- formal devel
titles
Sep 27 16:59:21 <stickster> Ah... I was about to bring up the idea of
formal publishing
Sep 27 16:59:39 <quaid> well, by formal I mean just Fedora Documentation
Foo, but yeah, it leads to actual hard copy
Sep 27 16:59:43 <elliss> Any ideas on converting the sxw files >
DocBook ?
Sep 27 16:59:44 <stickster> That would be an argument for kicking up the
DevGuide to match the wiki status and then maintaining it 
Sep 27 16:59:55 <stickster> SXW are just .zip format
Sep 27 17:00:01 <stickster> when you open them they're pure XML
Sep 27 17:00:11 <nman64> elliss: OpenOffice.org 2 can export them
directly to DocBook, can't it?
Sep 27 17:00:13 <quaid> yeah, I was hoping one of you with a good OO.org
would do a conversion to Docbook
Sep 27 17:00:22 <stickster> OO.o 1.9.whatever now does simple DocBook
XML translation
Sep 27 17:00:36 <G2> stickster: supposed to be getting better
Sep 27 17:00:41 <stickster> It may not be sufficient, but if it doesn't
crash that would be such a win that who cares? :-D
Sep 27 17:00:47 <elliss> Schedule it against me
Sep 27 17:00:56 <quaid> I don't know if Erik Foster-Johnson wants to
continue maintaining nor how involved he wants to be, but peop.le  such
as nasrat want to contribute.
Sep 27 17:01:01 <stickster> (My grammar is becoming worse by the minute.
I apologize to all for that last completely horrid sentence structure.)
Sep 27 17:01:16 <stickster> EFJ? Maintaining what?
Sep 27 17:01:28 <stickster> Oh, the RPM Guide, right?
Sep 27 17:01:56 * quaid adds ellis to the FedoraDocsSchedule for
converting SXW to DB with OO.org, nright?
Sep 27 17:02:14 <elliss> Yes, to get it started
Sep 27 17:02:32 <elliss> I'll post on list if I hit an issue
Sep 27 17:02:34 <quaid> rightO
Sep 27 17:02:43 <elliss> However...
Sep 27 17:03:05 <elliss> Note that an overlapping guide is currently
being built in Wiki
Sep 27 17:03:25 <stickster> Yes, the integration of these is a serious
task
Sep 27 17:03:40 <elliss> The author ought to know
Sep 27 17:03:47 <nman64> Ignacio's?
Sep 27 17:03:50 <elliss> Yes
Sep 27 17:05:16 <stickster> Any comments?
Sep 27 17:05:46 <quaid> I'll assign the integration of that content to
Ignacio
Sep 27 17:05:54 <quaid> or evaluation
Sep 27 17:06:10 <elliss> Can we announce that the files are in CVS ?
Sep 27 17:06:21 <elliss> There was no e-mail to the list
Sep 27 17:06:41 <elliss> Or would that be premature ?
Sep 27 17:06:56 <stickster> We should probably try to get them converted
first
Sep 27 17:07:09 <stickster> So people who are simply monitoring the list
can grab, build, etc. per normal
Sep 27 17:07:39 <elliss> I'll try to get something done this weekend
Sep 27 17:07:48 <elliss> And post to FDSCo
Sep 27 17:08:03 <elliss> before I leave next week
Sep 27 17:08:24 <stickster> It doesn't look like a load of fun... I
think OO.o conversion depends on certain OO.o style usage, and I see
that doc has quite a few custom styles in use... still, maybe the GUI
environment will render that problem easier
Sep 27 17:08:42 <elliss> No that's why I volunteered
Sep 27 17:08:46 <quaid> stickster: sorry, dude, may have stepped on your
edit of the FedoraDocsSchedule, be warned
Sep 27 17:08:59 <stickster> No, just had it opened, didn't mean to edit
it at all
Sep 27 17:09:01 <stickster> Go right ahead
Sep 27 17:09:06 <elliss> Once it's converted smarter people can look
after the content
Sep 27 17:09:31 <elliss> (than me)
Sep 27 17:09:38 <stickster> Riht on  (than me too)
Sep 27 17:09:41 <stickster> *right
Sep 27 17:09:48 * stickster proves his own case
Sep 27 17:09:56 <megacoder> heck, making more work for me ;-)
Sep 27 17:10:24 <stickster> quaid: UTF-8 (DevGuide is one of these) and
mirror-tutorial (!)
Sep 27 17:11:03 <quaid> yeah, it's one of those just hanging out there
Sep 27 17:11:20 <stickster> I can publish some of this... haven't gotten
a Round Tuit but I can if you desire to slough this off
Sep 27 17:11:59 <quaid> sure
Sep 27 17:12:04 <stickster> mark me for that one then
Sep 27 17:12:10 <elliss> sidenote: Kadishi and Xen need mirrors to build
their OS images with
Sep 27 17:12:12 <quaid> it dropped off my list a while ago :(
Sep 27 17:12:14 <quaid> ok, done
Sep 27 17:12:34 <stickster> elliss: Any chance you could BZ that as an
enhancement?
Sep 27 17:12:40 <elliss> Good idea
Sep 27 17:12:51 <stickster> I have zero experience with them, so any
narrative you can suggest would be appreciated
Sep 27 17:13:45 <stickster> Moving on to my walk o' shame...
Sep 27 17:14:16 <quaid> what would revitalize that project?
Sep 27 17:14:21 <stickster> DocGuide outline is done, let's mark that
off the list since no further changes have been made/suggested... let me
jump ahead to the rest of DocGuide to 
Sep 27 17:14:35 <stickster> ...to say that...
Sep 27 17:15:13 <stickster> I will be working on this in dead earnest
starting next week... I am in hock to our illustrious Tammy for a RHM
article, due Saturday so I hope to be out from under her thumb by
Sunday :-)
Sep 27 17:15:30 <elliss> Congrats
Sep 27 17:15:46 <quaid> did the CVS chapter/changes get finished?
Sep 27 17:16:11 <quaid> "Update CVS chapter in Documentation Guide"
Sep 27 17:16:19 <quaid> that's finito, si?
Sep 27 17:16:26 <stickster> Yes, and published, see
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ch-getting-files.html
Sep 27 17:16:44 <quaid> ah, yeah, I remember that now!
Sep 27 17:17:39 <stickster> We have a docs-common/common/cvs-en.xml as
well, not part of that task I think
Sep 27 17:17:54 <stickster> Well duh, since it's not in the DocGuide I
guess not, Sherlock :-)
Sep 27 17:17:58 <quaid> stickster: do you want to associate a new
milestone date fot the DocGuide?
Sep 27 17:18:08 <quaid> oh, I think it is?
Sep 27 17:18:11 <stickster> Yes, I will bring this up on the list
Sep 27 17:18:39 <quaid>
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/ch-cvs.html
Sep 27 17:18:43 <stickster> Oh, you're right
Sep 27 17:18:52 <quaid> yeah, in fact ...
Sep 27 17:19:06 <stickster>
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/documentation-guide/sn-cvs-config.html
Sep 27 17:19:06 <quaid> oh, no, different deliverable
Sep 27 17:19:09 <stickster> That looks right to me
Sep 27 17:19:47 <stickster> Whoops, see one superfluous entry, a
repetitive "cvs checkout" command, checking out module-name twice
Sep 27 17:20:12 <stickster> the rest is OK methinks... I seem to
remember making this change myself, but I could be wrong
Sep 27 17:21:10 <stickster> I would note that the CSS being used on the
live site SUCKS for code... all the monospaced fonts stuff in the text
is far too small to read properly, especially if you're eyesight's not
owl-quality
Sep 27 17:21:20 <elliss> +1
Sep 27 17:21:22 <stickster> s/you're/your/   # ARRRRGGGH
Sep 27 17:21:28 <quaid> oops, I must have left that double in, I think I
made the last change from 'docs-setup' to 'docs-common'
Sep 27 17:21:30 * stickster shoots himself on principle
Sep 27 17:21:56 <quaid> stickster: if you have any CSS changes for the
website ... 
Sep 27 17:22:13 <stickster> quaid: stick 'em where the sun don't...?
Sep 27 17:23:31 <quaid> no, let's push them through
Sep 27 17:24:02 * G2 to bed. Night all.
Sep 27 17:24:07 <stickster> 'night G2 
Sep 27 17:24:07 <elliss> Night
Sep 27 17:24:19 <stickster> OK... looks like /css/print.css is to blame
Sep 27 17:24:28 <quaid> yeah, I'm burnt too
Sep 27 17:24:35 <stickster> Let's call it
Sep 27 17:24:49 <quaid> go ahead
Sep 27 17:24:59 <stickster> ooooh, the unmitigated POWER.... Mwahahahaha
Sep 27 17:25:01 <stickster> </meeting>

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