IRC log of FDSCo meeting 21-Nov-2006
Karsten Wade
kwade at redhat.com
Wed Nov 22 04:03:40 UTC 2006
17:03 < quaid> <meeting>
17:03 < quaid> * Elections for FDSCo
17:03 < quaid> - Anyone understand FESCo elections and can explain it to us?
17:03 < quaid> - or invite a guest to explain
17:03 < quaid> - When is a good time for this?
17:03 < quaid> - What form should it take?
17:03 < quaid> * Trans and Docs work (Hugo, Tommy)
17:03 < quaid> - CVS
17:03 < quaid> - Processes
17:03 < quaid> * FI check-in
17:03 < quaid> - Moin Moin update
17:03 < quaid> - Early Plone testing?
17:03 < quaid> * Content direction
17:03 < quaid> - On list discussion, help it get going
17:03 < quaid> - Focus on filling blanks?
17:03 < quaid> - Which audiences?
17:03 < quaid> - What is not being done that Fedora needs?
17:03 < quaid> *
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule
17:04 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule
17:07 < quaid> so who is around?
17:08 < BobJensen> Hey
17:11 < quaid> oi
17:16 < BobJensen> can't seem to get my thin client to connect to the host,
quite frustrating
17:19 < BobJensen> I wonder if I installed the wrong client
17:23 * quaid is doing his usual dinner cooking thing
17:29 < quaid> mmcgrath: when you've got a few moments, can you refresh me on
the i18n.r.c situation (CVS and Web apps)?
17:33 < quaid> 'cus Hugo and Tommy aren't around
17:38 < quaid> well, I'm going to work on the DUG stuff, now that I can spare a
few hours from $JOB
17:39 < BobJensen> quaid: OK if anyone shows ping me, I am going to be a bit AFK
trying to troubleshoot this darn thin client
17:40 -!- EvilBob [n=BobJense at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has joined
#Fedora-Docs
17:42 < quaid> is anyone around here who understands FE elections?
17:54 < quaid> |DrJef|, f13: who might we tap (in the next few hours) to tell us
a bit about how FE elections work?
17:54 < quaid> mmcgrath: another question, is there somewhere or somehow we can
get a view into how various docs parts are doing Web-traffic-wise?
17:55 < quaid> e.g. fp.o/wiki/Docs/Drafts/DesktopUserGuide
17:55 < EvilBob> I don't even know who is on FESCo at ths time. maybe dennis
Gilmore is around and would know?
17:56 < |DrJef|> quaid, i think you have me confused with someone who knows
things
17:56 < quaid> oh, sorry
17:56 < quaid> must be the | in front of your name
17:57 < EvilBob> |DrJef|: admit nothing and deny everything right?
17:57 < |DrJef|> EvilBob, i deny that logic
17:57 < EvilBob> quaid: see he proves my point
17:57 < EvilBob> LOL
17:58 < |DrJef|> EvilBob, im definitely not serving in any committee role at the moment
17:58 < EvilBob> |DrJef|: Oh I know
18:06 * quaid shall have to poke around on #f-e
18:07 < EvilBob> I would ask dennis but then he would ask me when I am going to
start submitting packages... so many things so little time...
18:08 < mmcgrath> quaid: I actually don't know anything about the i18n stuff.
Just that we can move it if we want to
18:08 < mmcgrath> and regarding doc web traffic, doc's on f.r.c I'm not sure
about, we'd have to talk to stacy.
18:08 < mmcgrath> I think the general push is to move away from f.r.c
18:09 < quaid> mmcgrath: I'm thinking of docs on fp.o
18:10 < quaid> mmcgrath: about the i18n stuff, we'd like to get it on the FI
schedule, and Tommy is available to help, and so are some of the
rest of us
18:15 < mmcgrath> quaid: what sort of traffic you interested in?
18:15 < mmcgrath> we have http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/
18:15 < mmcgrath> but its not very specific.
18:24 < quaid> mmcgrath: for example, there are all the links from the
/usr/share/doc/HTML/index.html
18:25 -!- Melio [n=melio at adsl-153-36-227.chs.bellsouth.net] has joined
#fedora-docs
18:25 < mmcgrath> ahh, yeah we can get that.
18:25 < Melio> greets
18:26 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/fedoraproject.org/11-06/awstats.fedoraproject.org.urldetail.html
18:26 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/awstats/fedoraproject.org/10-06/awstats.fedoraproject.org.urldetail.html
18:26 < mmcgrath> heh, beat me too it
18:26 < quaid> sweet
18:27 < f13> quaid: thl perhaps. i didn't pay attention to the FESCo elections.
18:27 < mmcgrath> f13: wrong channel?
18:28 < mmcgrath> I've always found the search keywords interesting
18:28 < Melio> I bet the wiki-graphics are being viewed alot cause they're
sublinked thru pages like www.fedorasolved.org and
fedora-unity.net
18:31 < quaid> f13 was replying to my question about FESCo elections
18:31 < mmcgrath> ohhhhhhh
18:39 < quaid> looks like the DesktopUserGuide/Communications page is popular
18:39 < quaid> helps with IM and Evolution setup :)
18:41 < quaid> f13: btw, what package has the Fedora splash that we see when the
desktop is loading?
18:41 < mmcgrath> :)
18:45 < f13> quaid: the graphical boot, or the gnome splash?
18:47 < quaid> hmm, gnome splash I reckon
18:47 < quaid> it has the (c) copyright on it
18:47 < quaid> says "Copyright (c) 2006 Red Hat Inc."
18:47 < quaid> it should say "Copyright (C) 2006 Red Hat Inc. and others"
18:47 * quaid is prepared to file a bug
18:48 < quaid> I just noticed that Mugshot has it the right way and it reminded
me to fix it :)
18:48 -!- stickster_afk is now known as stickster
18:48 * stickster had an awesome LUG meeting tonight
18:49 < stickster> Must catch up on buffer...
18:49 < f13> hrm, probably fedora-logos ?
18:52 < f13> quaid: $ rpm -qf /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png
18:52 < f13> fedora-logos-6.0.6-1.fc6
18:54 < mmcgrath> stickster: people have awesome LUG meetings?
18:55 < mmcgrath> Last lug I went to they discussed how to get WoW running. I
was like... Totally not what I'm using Linux for.
18:55 * mmcgrath wishes for better lugs in the midwest
18:56 < stickster> Nope, everyone at this meeting -- and granted, not a large
number -- use it for real work
18:56 < stickster> A couple developers, couple Asterisk guys, one doing
security/forensics
18:56 < stickster> And me
18:56 < stickster> We had a couple no-shows, but they sent apologies on list
18:57 < quaid> f13: thanks :)
18:57 < EvilBob> mmcgrath: my LUG has mostly "real world" topics, we do however
have a couple LAN parties a year to help pull in the windows
users
18:57 < stickster> We're going to spend the next few weeks advertising heavily
and gathering membership
18:58 < quaid> mmcgrath: bummer to hear, I had this theory that the colder the
winters, the bigger the LUGs
18:58 < quaid> but I'm probably way off
18:58 < mmcgrath> :)
18:58 < EvilBob> quaid: my LUG nearly has to take the summer off but we end up
with 6 'meetings' a month with 10-25 people in the winter
18:59 < EvilBob> Lunch on thursdays every week, the first tuesday night is
dinner and the third saturday is a topic
19:00 < f13> the lugs I went to were either a bunch of old guys who never get
it, or a hour of arguing over politics surrounding the lug.
19:00 < f13> A bunch of us got so fed up we formed our own "underlug" that was
the smart people hwo liked to chat about Linux stuff, go for beer,
get together for good food, etc...
19:01 < f13> ugh, vte seems to have gone nuts again.
19:02 < quaid> yeah, Santa Cruz has this high couch veg factor
19:02 < quaid> literally no one ever commits, leaving the door open for just not
doing anything
19:03 < quaid> "Yeah, I might be there, sounds great!"
19:07 < stickster> I think everybody so far has been really enthusiastic
19:08 < stickster> The key is going to be quickly turning momentum into
membership which always helps keep everyone interetsed
19:08 < stickster> I think I was elected "benevolent dictator"
19:08 < EvilBob> lol
19:08 < stickster> I brought a projector, y'know
19:08 < stickster> (and gave out schwag) ;-)
19:09 * f13 reads about twilight princess and jonses.
19:09 < quaid> moo?
19:09 < stickster> moof!
19:09 < f13> quaid: new zelda for the Wii
19:09 < quaid> ah
19:11 < stickster> quaid: I've started trying to learn something about Zope +
Plone
19:11 < quaid> ooh
19:11 < quaid> good idea
19:11 < stickster> Unfortunately, the !&#*@$ Fedora Extras package doesn't
&*#%$@ work!
19:11 < EvilBob> quaid: have you seen our sites since the crash?
19:12 < stickster> EvilBob: Ooo, tasty!!!
19:12 < EvilBob> stickster: I think we have packages for you if you want
19:12 < stickster> There's a problem with the Five component as it exists in
FE's Z/P
19:12 < stickster> That's a real shame
19:13 < stickster> EvilBob: Yes please, I'm trying hard to learn
19:13 < EvilBob> stickster: damaestro is taking over maintainership
19:13 < quaid> damaestro++
19:13 < EvilBob> stickster: this is the third time we have had to drift from
extras because of breakage
19:14 < quaid> ah
19:14 < quaid> stuff to swipe
19:14 < quaid> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Policy/FESCoElections
19:14 < stickster> I'm having a tough time believing the original maintainer
knew the package
19:14 < quaid> I think I'll shamelelessy steal from that page
19:15 < EvilBob> stickster: so as a result Jon knows how to fix the bits, the
original maintainer is sponsoring him in order to fast track
things
19:15 < stickster> EvilBob: sweet
19:16 < stickster> EvilBob: can I find his working packages somewhere?
19:17 < EvilBob> stickster: checking on that now
19:17 < stickster> thanks
19:17 -!- daMaestro [n=jon at fedora/damaestro] has joined #fedora-docs
19:18 < EvilBob> speak of the cheeky little devil
19:18 < EvilBob> hehehe
19:18 < daMaestro> lol
19:18 < daMaestro> ouch
19:18 < EvilBob> Paul this is Jon, Jon this is Paul... communicate
19:18 < EvilBob> LOL
19:19 < stickster> We've met :-D
19:19 < stickster> Jon, EvilBob says you have working Z/P packages for Fedora...
the Extras copies won't let me add a Plone site
19:19 < stickster> Something about Five being improperly installed
19:19 < daMaestro> stickster, yup
19:19 < daMaestro> stickster, fun right?
19:19 < daMaestro> lol
19:20 < stickster> Yeah, I gave up after a couple hours of trying to figure it
out
19:20 < daMaestro> stickster, it is because plone 2.5.1 needs five 1.3.7 and in
the old packages (2.5) zope needed to provide 1.3.6
19:20 < stickster> They have 1.3.8 now, yes?
19:20 < daMaestro> yes, but i think 1.3.7 is the recommended version to use with
zope 2.9.4
19:21 < stickster> So can you help a brotha out?
19:21 < daMaestro> i expect zope 2.9.5 is what includes five 1.3.8
19:21 < EvilBob> quaid: I am going to have to check out for the night, I can't
get the thin client working, I need to get some rest so i can
take it on in the AM
19:21 -!- BobJensen is now known as BobJensen-Away
19:23 < stickster> Hmm, FE's Zope Provides is... intereseting
19:23 < stickster> I can't seem to spell interestting tonight
19:24 < daMaestro> stickster, do you have access to extras?
19:24 < stickster> Yup
19:24 < daMaestro> would you check if i have access to zope and plone
19:24 < quaid> EvilBob: roger that
19:24 < daMaestro> i was supposed to be given access
19:25 < daMaestro> user: jsteffan
19:25 < quaid> stickster: is there anything from the agenda you want to discuss
tonight?
19:25 < quaid> I am working on the elections proposal first draft stolen from
FESCo
19:25 < daMaestro> stickster, i need to get the extras packages fixed
19:27 < stickster> daMaestro: I think so
19:27 < stickster> I show you in group cvsextras as "user"
19:27 < daMaestro> stickster, ok.. yeah.. i know that was granted
19:27 < daMaestro> is that all i need?
19:28 < stickster> I don't think Extras is ACL'd
19:28 < stickster> You're just expected to stay in your sandbox most of the time
19:28 < daMaestro> ok, do you mind if i push the fix to extras?
19:28 < daMaestro> i just need to do a quick spec file fix and bump the version
19:29 < stickster> daMaestro: Have you already been in touch with the new
maintainer? I know the original one (Aurelien?) had to give
it up
19:29 < daMaestro> i am the new maintainer :-P
19:29 < stickster> Well then, since you're fixing at least two bugs filed
already, *and* I'm going to benefit from it directly, I would
say you should go ahead ;-)
19:30 < daMaestro> hmm.. how do get zope and plone assigned to send me mail when
bugs are filed?
19:30 < daMaestro> one of the bugs was reported by me..
19:30 < stickster> daMaestro: Edit the owners/owners.list file
19:30 < stickster> You should go through the steps for unorphaning a package,
probably on wiki as well
19:30 < daMaestro> i need to setup a new imap account.. gmail just doesn't work
for the extras mailing list
19:30 < stickster> Hmm
19:30 * stickster searches for URL
19:31 < daMaestro> stickster, thanks
19:31 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/OrphanedPackages
19:32 < stickster> daMaestro: Bless you, my son, bless you
19:32 < stickster> daMaestro: Once you get the fixes committed, let me know..
19:32 < daMaestro> will do
19:32 < daMaestro> i'm still learning..
19:32 < stickster> Looks like it should only take a few minutes and you'll be
ready to go
19:33 < daMaestro> so i hope everything is well documented on the wiki
19:33 < daMaestro> well do i use plague?
19:33 < daMaestro> i have that all setup..
19:33 < stickster> daMaestro: Yes, you should install both plague-client and mock19:33 < daMaestro> yup.. those are installed
19:33 < daMaestro> and i have plague client configured
19:34 < daMaestro> i expect i have to do something like a cvs checkout and then
make changes and check it back in?
19:34 < daMaestro> then use plague to do the build?
19:34 < stickster> daMaestro: Before you send it to the builders, it's a good
idea to do "make mockbuild"
19:35 < stickster> And by good idea, I mean, "requirement"
19:35 < stickster> :-D
19:35 < stickster> You'll want to check out the "MockTricks" page for setting up
a proxy if you haven't already
19:35 < daMaestro> yeah.. i
19:35 < stickster> Unless you have a local mirror with FC/FE yum repos, which
kind of eliminates the need for that
19:36 < daMaestro> i'm* going to spend some money and setup a local mirror
19:36 < daMaestro> but i was going to do that when i replaced my desktop
19:36 < daMaestro> i can also use the fedora unity builders
19:37 < stickster> If you have a few gigs of free disk space you can use for
/var/cache/squid (or wherever), you can use Squid to
alleviate the need for a whole mirror
19:37 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/MockTricks
19:37 < daMaestro> i'm going to go with a full mirror for other reasons
19:38 < daMaestro> *-Spins and usb live/stateless images
19:38 < stickster> *nod
19:38 < daMaestro> i'm working on a thin client
19:38 < stickster> k
19:38 < daMaestro> *designing the hardware :-)
19:38 < daMaestro> basically a fedora based blackberry
19:38 < daMaestro> that has *removable* images
19:41 < stickster> All right, I will probably just look for the commits and
build logs tomorrow then
19:41 < stickster> daMaestro: See
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/Contributors for more
info
19:41 < daMaestro> ok
19:41 < daMaestro> sorry.
19:41 < daMaestro> do you want to just build the packages on your own?
19:41 < stickster> daMaestro: Oh no, nothing to be sorry about
19:42 < daMaestro> i've got them somewhere on one of our servers
19:42 < daMaestro> or at least should
19:42 < stickster> daMaestro: That's what I was hoping for at first, but that
was before I found out you were now maintaining them
19:42 < stickster> daMaestro: I'm actually kind of beat, and I have to get up
early to work out
19:42 < daMaestro> ok.. i'll try to learn how to push the updates tonight
19:42 < stickster> daMaestro: If you're set to do your thing, I'll just look for
them in Extras shortly
19:43 < daMaestro> as long as the wiki has me covered.. i'll get it done
19:43 < stickster> daMaestro: I can stay up for a half hour or so without a
problem to walk you through
19:43 < stickster> daMaestro: Sorry, I just densely realized that this whole
thing means that (duh!) you're doing this for the first time
with FE
19:43 < daMaestro> if not an emergency, i'm going to put it off for at least
that long
19:43 < stickster> Oh
19:43 < stickster> OK
19:44 < stickster> I'm looking for the better page
19:44 < daMaestro> awesome
19:44 < daMaestro> i have a few things in tomboy notes
19:44 < stickster> Aha!
19:44 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/UsingCvsFaq
19:44 < daMaestro> i just have been stupid busy with other things (like real
work.. lol)
19:44 < stickster> I heard that, yo
19:45 < quaid> sweet, just solidified plans with friends to go to Casino Royale
in three hours
19:45 < stickster> quaid: I now officially hate you
19:45 < stickster> :-D I really want to see that movie
19:46 * stickster used to see 1-2 films a week with wife before kids, now
closer to, uh, 0
19:46 < stickster> Thank heaven for HD-DLP + DVD
19:46 < stickster> Oh yeah, + new DTS/DD amp!
19:47 < stickster> daMaestro: OK... I will be around tomorrow during the day,
off and on... I maintain a handful of packages, so it can't
be *that* hard :-D
19:47 < daMaestro> ok
19:47 < daMaestro> thanks
19:47 < stickster> 'night all
19:47 < daMaestro> i should be able to get it done tonight
19:48 < daMaestro> i am just ordering new hardware for my search system
19:48 < daMaestro> stickster, night
19:48 < stickster> Cool, I am reading the Zope book now and took the tutorial
19:48 < daMaestro> ahh cool
19:48 -!- rajesh [n=rranjan at 202.41.228.162] has joined #fedora-docs
19:48 < daMaestro> i just stared at the zmi for long periods of time
19:48 < daMaestro> it melted in
19:48 < stickster> If I can finish the ZB, next is the Plone Book
19:48 < daMaestro> it would be good for docs to know what plone and zope can do
19:48 < stickster> Being able to actually _install_ the Plone component would
rock, though :-D
19:49 < daMaestro> i'm not always clear on what i am doing and how i did it
19:49 < stickster> daMaestro: Oh, don't get confused, just because I am trying
to learn it doesn't mean we'll know anything about it :-D
19:49 < daMaestro> oh, darn
19:49 < daMaestro> lol
19:49 < stickster> But I intend to try
19:49 < daMaestro> awesome
19:50 < daMaestro> it is not fun to manage stuff alone.. and it is always better
if the people that are going to use it know what they want..
or at least have an idea
19:50 < stickster> I'm hoping this, plus your tutelage once in a while, plus the
show'n'tell you gave us, may make me as effective as your
average eight-year-old
19:50 < daMaestro> i setup zwiki pages and no one has even touched them
19:50 < daMaestro> 'cept bob and i making fun of wiki formatting
19:50 < daMaestro> lol
19:52 < BobJensen-Away> and that ass ugly icon
19:52 < BobJensen-Away> LOL
19:53 < stickster> Well, I can now look at the ZMI on fpserv and I'm not
completely lost
19:53 < stickster> But I will be doing all my learning on my own local test
instance
19:53 < daMaestro> yeah.. i have an account on fpserv.. but.. umm.. i gave up on
plone 2.1
19:53 < stickster> Just being able to navigate a working site and compare its
functions to its setup will help me understand how it works
better, methinks
19:53 < daMaestro> lol
19:54 < daMaestro> it is always fun to just trash a plone site
19:54 -!- EvilBob [n=BobJense at fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen] has quit [Read
error: 113 (No route to host)]
19:57 < stickster> OK, that's it for me
19:57 * stickster falls over dead..... asleep, that is
19:57 < quaid> ok
19:57 < stickster> g'night all
19:57 < quaid> I'm going to close the meeting and tag the log and bag it
19:57 < quaid> </meeting>
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