From stickster at gmail.com Sun Oct 1 16:06:54 2006 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 12:06:54 -0400 Subject: Agenda for 2006-10-03 Message-ID: <1159718814.8657.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> Another agenda item: Discuss new SOP for translation scheduling -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 3 21:03:33 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:03:33 -0700 Subject: Orphaned Drafts and Other Drafts, maybe we can OD In-Reply-To: <451EAD35.404@fedoralinks.org> References: <451EAD35.404@fedoralinks.org> Message-ID: <1159909413.4193.108.camel@erato.phig.org> On Sat, 2006-09-30 at 12:45 -0500, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote: > There is a Draft on the wiki that I know is orphaned. I think we should > talk about a policy for these items at our next meeting. > > Another point of interest is helping the other projects with > documentation. I am trying to learn to package for extras and the info > seems to be sparse on this. I found this to be pretty thorough, but I wasn't actually trying to package software when I read it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines > I have asked for packaging help to learn the > basics so I can help with getting the processes documented. Editing help > will be needed once I get to that point. The docs for this I would like > to work on in our Drafts name space so /Docs/Drafts/Extras/ perhaps. Yes, but let's note something. Documentation produced by FDP is in the form of stand-alone guides and the like that look at all or aspects of an installed sysstem. However, project-specific documentation is probably best handled by that project. So, in this case, we could champion the rewriting of the RPM Guide (currently fallow in CVS), and draw from the Packaging/Guidelines. Think of Packaging/Guidelines as an upstream source we can draw from to produce other downstream content. It's all OPL (the whole Wiki is), so it works well. Does that clear things up, or ...? - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Tue Oct 3 21:04:59 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 14:04:59 -0700 Subject: meeting 03-Oct-2006? Message-ID: <1159909499.4193.111.camel@erato.phig.org> Paul and Bob aren't going to be available to meet today. If Tommy isn't sure he'll be around ... and it's too late to ask him ... Well, I'll be there. If anyone shows up, we'll meet. If no one shows up, I'll send out the cancel notice. :) - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com Tue Oct 3 22:25:36 2006 From: Tommy.Reynolds at MegaCoder.com (Tommy Reynolds) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 15:25:36 -0700 Subject: meeting 03-Oct-2006? In-Reply-To: <1159909499.4193.111.camel@erato.phig.org> References: <1159909499.4193.111.camel@erato.phig.org> Message-ID: <20061003152536.efc94114.Tommy.Reynolds@MegaCoder.com> Uttered Karsten Wade , spake thus: > Paul and Bob aren't going to be available to meet today. 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Eitch: hrm, strange, I thought we got that taken care of it. me too :) arrgh I'm right now late for the release-notes translation... doing it right now NetworkManager silently died on me quaid: so play silent taps wish I had time to learn irssi more faster anyway,what I said and received strange silence ... because I was offline ... Let not your heart be troubled; just a few echoing footsteps now and then. yeah, I was going to see if we just wanted to chat, etc. anything we want to discuss from http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule ? quaid, I'm developing a script that will compare the old/new RPM repos and generate a table that includes the package name, old version, new version, and the changelog differences. Too late for FC6, but maybe useful in FC7 et. al. megacoder: yeah, that's the last thing I saw, sounds great megacoder: have you seen the treediff tool? I can send it to ya megacoder: um, you mean like treediff2.py that is now public? there we go yeah. that's why I started on my own. http://people.redhat.com/jkeating/treediff2.py there we go megacoder: why rewrite? f13: is treediff on e.g. porkchop the same tool? quaid: yes may not be the latest cvs rev of it, but the same tool cool the same tool that is used for the nightly rawhide reports (minus the broken dep stuff) f13, 1) python; 2) anything you can do I can do better ;-); 3) boredom Mostly #3 uh huh. python, as in you don't like python? megacoder: ah ha! let's not let you get bored or nothing good lords and ladies, there is not an active TommyReynolds task on the menu Imagine my surprise! --> aalam (n=aalam at 59.94.208.234) has joined #fedora-docs megacoder: want to rewrite the i18n.r.c tools on cvs.fp.org? :) Know nothing about it. Whazzat? * quaid rubs his hands together http://i18n.redhat.com/cgi-bin/i18n-status * megacoder is starting to regret miscellaneous stuff * Eitch wants somethings to do too (after the release-notes, of course) that is the user side, right? it sits on the trans cvs (i18n.r.c == elvis.r.c), and we want to migrate the CVS to cvs.fp.o and get the tool working Fedora Infrastructure is nominally in charge, but I'm sure they'd take the help here Where can I find the pieces? I have to dig around to get the current code ... it's all OK'd to be GPL'd, or is already ... I'll review it when you can find it... To your other question, Karsten, as to what Elliot and his team needs to know, nothing really, that you couldn't read out of the code. A lot of it, as people will surely realize, is a bit hacky, parts have been copied and pasted, and adapted, instead of things having been done properly, merely because it needed to happen quickly. And, of course, it's all undocumented. I'm happy to answer any questions, even walk someone through, if there should be someone willing to take it over, and it surely requires some cleanup. It's all in perl. Where I needed to use python, I've embedded the python code into perl. What I got stuck on was that the fedora authentication somehow dropped my cgi parameters, and I therefore couldn't proceed after authentication. that's from Bernd Groh, who wrote it all mainly so I haven't seen it but I should be able to get a tarball pretty quickly I'd suggest to get someone to solve the remaining issues of the integration of the new version with the fedora account system (I believe all that's not working is that the fedora authetication drops the cgi params of the status pages when authenticating), and finally migrate. * quaid apologizes for the lack of delimeters * megacoder read that first as a lack of "dementors" and I'm done flooding ... the part "I'd suggest ... finally migrate." is bgroh well, delimiter Not too keen on perl either; still, I'll look it over. eh, it might need to be rewritten in Python anway :D * megacoder waits for tcl/tk to be mentioned *snort* * megacoder can't imagine what's up quaid's nose it was even funnier when I tried to explain to my 5.5 year old why I laughed at a tcl/tk joke just the name "tickle-teekay" makes me laugh megacoder: heck, let's rebuild the thing in RoR or what! * megacoder holds out for 1401 autocoder megacoder: I'm going to add a 'research' task for you then, to look into what up and what to do and what you recommend and _you'll_ be willing to do :) Didn't say "no"; just didn't promise it would stay in perl/python ;-) Eitch: for post-FC6, are you looking for something like ... leading our effort to fix all the process and technical problems betwen Fedora Trans and Fedora Docs? :) megacoder: +1 as long as Fedora Infrastructure OKs it ... maybe we should talk on their list. quaid, I'm awaiting further evidence before I make any more snide remarks. --> sonargal (n=aglaser at ip70-174-58-25.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #fedora-docs <-- sonargal has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) ok, I got what we needed from bgroh I'll a'tar it <-- dartmolx has quit (Remote closed the connection) a good idea there are much inconsistency on it :D --> snowlet (i=snowlet at nat/redhat/x-83aa638ad1c201f6) has joined #fedora-docs megacoder: tarball coming, "only" 130K compressed :P * megacoder taps foot Eitch: agreed, and I haven't had the time to do it right Eitch: you know most/all the people involved, can use me to get things moving that aren't (like the CVS move, etc.) ok, if you like the idea, I'll add that task for you to pursue --> dartmolx (n=dartmolx at 203.177.56.98) has joined #fedora-docs is two weeks enough time for both of you for some status back to this meeting/group? I liked suits me two weeks is good, I'll report two times, first week and second week :) <-- aalam has quit (Remote closed the connection) megacoder: on a related note, can I also draw you in to help with whatever we need to do for the CVS migration? yup coolio hey, a successful meeting despite myself! * quaid moves self and sick child to where the movie is about to be watched brb back ok, then, might as well ask what movie? AOB? I'll put aside BobJensen-Away's item for next week nob from me okee <-- megacoder has quit ("I Worship His Shadow.") -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Wed Oct 11 01:27:00 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 18:27:00 -0700 Subject: IRC log FDSCo meeting 10-Oct-2006 Message-ID: <1160530021.27180.188.camel@erato.phig.org> You can skip over the overly long attempt for me to grasp PO, POT, and other dynamics ... :) greets, amigos hola hi http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule and such ... * stickster notes Bob might miss this one, understandably... sends best wishes let's capture AOB, too BobJensen-Away++ good luck * quaid's proposal of merging Web-only update and new translations * quaid to GSoC Mentors Summit, chance to get in a word edgewise other's? others'? errr.... nope ok, just taking a chance to make sure we have time for all * stickster flips users, back in 60 sec ok, AOB is still open to finish whenever screen++ "More than one-third of U.S. college campuses have Wi-Fi, giving their students blanket wireless broadband access at school, according to data released today by the non-profit Campus Computing Project." back Next, the airports... then if Starbucks frees wifi, that pretty much takes care of the rest of CONUS I'd like to see a blanket with WiFi access... and maybe a USB port. * stickster hopes quaid edits this out of the meeting why? I never do :) ok, continuing on .. Paul: anything you need for the IG? Yes, I need trans to dump the POT into their system So the translators can work on it! Maybe I need to investigate getting us some collateral access I did send the requisite email to f-trans-l to the usual response of utterly deafening silence hmm But, to be fair, haven't been able to check email since yesterday Will report in a min. crap-O! * quaid thinks it's highly likely I only need to be added to the CVSROOT/avail I think I have an account on that machine Like spaghetti-O's only a little less popular but from when I asked how to do it, it was a bit of spaghetti to add a module now, if it is just 'cvs ci foo.pot' then perhaps I can do it ... do we know what the cvs path is? I think it ends up being a msgmerge in between /usr/local/CVS IIRC alam: help! noriko: is snowlet around? we could use some help with a "Very Important" Fedora Translation item :) quaid: I can not see him on any other channels noriko: thanks ... I forget if you are both in the same office (sometimes)? yup the office is huge ;P I will look arround for you :), thanks ooh! --> snowlet (i=snowlet at nat/redhat/x-609c80959c37ec1b) has joined #fedora-docs he is coming stickster: I am pulling down what looks like the stuff quaid: Excellent so let's ask snowlet * stickster thinkis wiki-izing this would be good if it is as "easy" as 'cvs ci -m "this file has changed on the following lines for these reasons" po/fedora-install-guide.pot echo $CVSROOT :ext:kwade at elvis.redhat.com:/usr/local/CVS/ I thought it might need a "msgmerge -o new.pot old-stuff" stickster: did you catch the discussion on f-trans-l about the proper way to treat the translators? ah! that might be it * quaid knows not snowlet: we are trying to get the final POT file for the Fedora Installation Guide into CVS. snowlet: I seem to have write access, so I could do it, which would save a step for you or alam ... but I really don't know what I'm doing :) quaid, do you have the latest .pot file on hand? stickster does It's in our CVS too i.e. Everything's committed in Docs CVS, but the new POT needs to go into elvis Wow, that almost sounded like he was alive again quaid, you can copy the .pot file into your local machine, cvs up to get the latest .po files, run "msgmerge" for all languages (generally I'll write a script), then commit * stickster confirms that yes, all IG stuff is committed snowlet, quaid: We have all that in our Makefile already thanks to megacoder * megacoder nods gratiously If you do "make pot ; make po" it should automagically work * quaid tries to imagine this across the different $CVSROOTs sorry, am I committing ... updating PO files? quaid: Well, on our side, you shouldn't have to do a thing. I've done all that for you. so ... I do make po ; make pot in the cvs.fp.o:/cvs/docs/install-guide/ and then ... cp po/*.po to my checkout from elvis? ok, so then just the second part? Yeah, I believe so (the 2nd part) cp install-guide/po/*.po /path/to/elvis/install-guide/po/ That's the part I'm wondering about Should it be a "cp", or a "msgmerge"? or should I take what is in elvis and cp -that- to what is in the install-guide snowlet: It doesn't matter to the translator if we get rid of some of the strings in a .PO file, right? snowlet: Because they have a program cache on their local system? and then re-run the make po, make pot quaid: Nope, definitely not that last k The "cp" approach is correct. stickster, no. after translators do "cvs up", they'll lose what they had msgmerge is to insert the persistent (pot) into the transient (po). megacoder, snowlet: thanks stickster, you know this, you just confused yourself in the frenetic pace So quaid can just cp our POT up, right? Or must the translators have an updated PO as well? Are they expected to msgmerge? Yes. The POT is plenipotential and stand alone. Translators produce update PO which get merged into the POT Well there you go then There is no carry-over info from PO v1 to PO v2; it's all in the POT A neat system, but one does wonder why a translated string isn't stored somewhere (say, in ~/.prog_name) It could be indexed with strfile and kept around for later use OTOH I suppose that it's hard to come by a duplicate for example You're welcome to do it that way, but the translators want a POT with strings to be translated and placed into the PO which get merged back... * quaid had to do a kid grab, is back ok, so ... 'cp' then 'cvs ci' right? yup right megacoder? cp new.po old.po; cvs commit ci? is the same as commit OK, I didn't bother to read that far. oh! ok, so I don't fool with the POT file Yes, you do megacoder is confusing you! megacoder: stop it! :-D * megacoder is not surprised, I'm confused myself cp docs-ig.pot i18n-ig.pot ; cvs ci But he's right, POT is just a non-translated PO I'm confused. Why are we here? * megacoder sniffs why is there air there? Oh yeah, the babes and beer D'OH! oh, because I asked about doing it instead of just asking snowlet to do it he msgmerge xxx.po xxx.pot > temp.po; mv temp.po xxx.po Oh yeah, that part too sorry, thought you said the Makefile did that? In our CVS, yes In i18n you have to provide it for the translators * megacoder considers that there is no real reason to write this stuff down in an FDP newsgroup sorry, my fault heh snowlet: can you please update the install-guide file from the new POT/PO/foo file? * quaid didn't realize so much time had passed I'm going to move us along quaid, it the latest .pot on i18n.redhat.com yet? s/it/is no maybe stickster can just email the bits to you snowlet: Can you get me access to do this? quaid, send it to me at ccheng at redhat.com, please. I'll put it there, do all the merge and commit ok, I'm going to focus on getting a usable DUG draft out in one week stickster, no, sorry. I am not the sysadmin... snowlet: Any idea to whom I should speak? stickster, Matthew Schick (mschick) maybe? OK, will do eitch is not here to discuss trans/doc process, think he was going to report next week anyway megacoder: any thinking or questions about the trans Web UI or CVS migration? I've been refreshing my python foo, but I think there is little retouching needed for the UI to be repositioned. There is a mysql database that will need some admin support, but it looks do-able so far. More info next week. ok I'm not sure what I need to think about CVS migration... yeah, I was just trying to spur FInfrastructure with more resources :) ok, my AOB I was thinking, for fedora-release-notes ... * megacoder dodges a bullet, methinks megacoder: Pretty slick, slick let's put up the ISO notes to go with the release date ... * stickster notes Bob said same, +1 from me too I haven't seen much of substance in the the Wiki, so am wondering if we need to bother to carry the content differences over Ah, that's an action item Need to find out from mmcgrath if he can remove the governor from an account or two and was thinking that our Web-only update could be just all the translations and minor bug fixes. Oh right, the tagging problem. Scratch my last comment. :-( right, see ... s/tagging/nagging/g we -could- do an update fairly easily, but it wouldn't be translatable heh, that too It's that not-so-fresh feeling well, what do we think of this idea? have there not been much of substance changed in the Wiki? --- tsNEET is now known as tsekine I think I'm following you, we could check each page's info/log, and just manually insert the small changes well, or that :) oh no, that works * stickster reads xml2po source to see where the tags are read I guess ... it's how many versions are we posting? 1. ISO (en_US + trans) ^^^ on the release date right! 2. f-r-n update package (sent to repo) == minor bugfixes + finished ISO-matching translations + possibly working l10n'd menu entry 3. Wiki -> XML not trans Isn't #3 superfluous? well, back to that ... which was the question ... was there anything of substance in the Wiki to move to the XML? Oh, I meant, skip right to 4. Wiki -> XML -> translated == minor updates on everything from Step #2 We might have material that's worth republishing, but if we're going to bother, then we should have it translated and ship it all at the same time * stickster notes this is for Bob to weigh in on too of course If I can get mschick to give out some access that would help a lot Translators won't mind redoing 15-20 strings, it's 800 at once that's a problem :-) well, OK am I obtusely missing a big point? it's possible... hell, likely even one sec, half a brain probably, but try to be specific ok, back I was thinking of letting folks finish what had been done already rather than adding to it Oh, I thought that "half a brain" was you hurling an epithet, not a description but if it is only a few dozen strings lol * stickster backs up Ah I see it sure reads that way, don't it? jk I think I see your point -- I was thinking of a little longer timeline. Next week, I'm wondering what folk will be considering the wiki experiment for inputting content and how it's turned out. * stickster hands megacoder an "I Hate Wiki" button stickster: well, I hadn't defined timeframe ... But I'm not asking this week ;-) Right, right... ...let me make myself more clear: I think that... ...there are plenty of translators who have substantial portions left to do. * megacoder thinks that could be an "I Hate [A-Z][a-z0-9]+" button... We can set a target date for pushing a f-r-n update post-spin. Work toward that with the current non-updated XML material. Also set a target date for pushing a second update with updated material. We could likely expect content returned from most if not all of the translators who finished for the first update. I would think release + 7 days for the first update, then release + 21 days for the second maybe... well, and that was the question ... did we want to not do a content update for the package update? Not for the first, but for the second... Hey, Glezos is reporting that the "adaptive index" ploy is working. Check the list. ok, so update the package twice and give plenty of time for trans? * stickster worries about precendent of letting translations slip out of gear with each other in a single package that's another thing we can tweak in the update quaid: Exactly I will pursue mschick... I already sent the email, you and Max are cc'd well, isn't first update just adding more translations? yes and second is new content + new content trans yeah baby I'm missing the slip out of gear part then it doesn't in that scheme ok I was just voicing some trepidation about having an update of some sort that put en_US out of sync with the other translations megacoder: Cool megacoder: Unfortch, that's FF v2, which we won't be seeing for some time Yeah, but think how cool FC7 is going to be... right, sweetness! We have the technology; we can adapt it. ok, this has gone on long enough anyone wants to discuss the GSoC stuff with let me know otherwise ... * quaid prepares to close this meeting *whew* <-- megacoder has quit ("I Worship His Shadow.") -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From docs-list at fedoralinks.org Wed Oct 11 11:48:01 2006 From: docs-list at fedoralinks.org (Robert 'Bob' Jensen) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:48:01 -0500 Subject: LOA Needed Message-ID: <452CD9F1.1070109@fedoralinks.org> I will be needing a temporary LOA from things. My father died at 08:35 UTC Oct 11, 2006 at the age of 80. He died from a massive cranial bleed. He did not suffer long. Thank you all for your help and time put in to the release notes, please help Karsten and Paul in making sure we don't miss a beat. Bob -- Robert 'Bob' Jensen * * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BobJensen gpg fingerprint: F9F4 7243 4243 0043 2C45 97AF E8A4 C3AE 42EB 0BC6 Fedora Docs Projects FDSCo http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject From kwade at redhat.com Mon Oct 30 17:36:20 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 09:36:20 -0800 Subject: no FDSCo meeting on Halloween Message-ID: <1162229781.2535.166.camel@erato.phig.org> Friends: For tomorrow's meeting, I'd like us to just send status reports into this list based on what tasks we own here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule With the time change in the States making it darker earlier, and tomorrow being Halloween, I'll be out with wee costumed girls at the time of our meeting. We can have ad-hoc discussions tomorrow during the day and evening, just to keep things moving. thx - Karsten -- Karsten Wade, RHCE, 108 Editor ^ Fedora Documentation Project Sr. Developer Relations Mgr. | fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject quaid.108.redhat.com | gpg key: AD0E0C41 ////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From kwade at redhat.com Mon Oct 30 23:13:30 2006 From: kwade at redhat.com (Karsten Wade) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:13:30 -0800 Subject: IRC log FDSCo meeting 17-Oct-2006 Message-ID: <1162250010.2535.226.camel@erato.phig.org> Lingering email on desktop, mea culpa. 17:20 < stickster> 17:20 < stickster> Hi everybody, random discussion leader for tonight here 17:20 < EvilBob> BobJensen 17:21 < stickster> I think Eitch is here too, right? 17:21 < Eitch> yeap 17:21 < Eitch> o> 17:21 < EvilBob> Hugo!!!1one 17:21 < stickster> OK, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/TaskSchedule for those who don't have it up 17:22 < stickster> Any AOB (All Other Business) to touch on before the schedule? 17:22 < stickster> OK, taking that as a no 17:23 < Eitch> :D 17:23 < EvilBob> stickster: +1 17:23 < stickster> Moving on then 17:23 < stickster> IG status -- we have the IG published right now in en, it, and pt 17:23 < stickster> Awaiting more translations, but I will check in on i18n.redhat.com to see what else is done lately 17:24 < stickster> Looks like we have da, es, and sv also done! 17:25 < EvilBob> Rock on 17:25 < stickster> (Anybody know offhand what da is?) 17:25 < stickster> Oh, Danish 17:25 < EvilBob> dane 17:25 < stickster> Dane? 17:25 < EvilBob> You beat me 17:25 < stickster> (You learn something every day!) :-) 17:25 < EvilBob> I gaveup 17:25 < stickster> heh 17:25 < Eitch> humm 17:26 * Eitch will try to catch up with pt_BR soon, what is the deadline? 17:26 < stickster> Eitch: ASAP, pretty much 17:26 < Eitch> hum, then the deadline is yesterday, heh 17:26 < EvilBob> LOL 17:26 < stickster> It may not be quite as many strings as you think... I'm not sure zh_CN is up to date at all, and it shows 852 trans, 108 fuzzy, 59 untrans 17:26 < stickster> Of course a string may be a whole paragraph -- but I don't think so in this particular case 17:27 < stickster> I fear there are a couple areas where I missed details, but I'll wait for bugs to be filed at this point. 17:27 < stickster> Any questions, comments, insults... ? 17:27 < EvilBob> Nope 17:28 * stickster notes EvilBob is always good for a "move it along, bub," sincerely appreciated 17:28 < quaid> sorry ya'll confab with the wife went over a bit unexpectedly 17:28 < stickster> np, chair is yours 17:28 < stickster> Just in time, we just finished IG on the schedule, down to DUG ;-) 17:29 < EvilBob> quaid: life happens yaknow 17:29 * stickster hands quaid the gavel 17:29 * EvilBob ducks 17:30 < quaid> okey d 17:30 < quaid> about the release announcement 17:30 < quaid> that was diff than what Bon and I worked on, which was the press release for RH 17:30 < EvilBob> Oh OK 17:31 < quaid> we still don't have anyone for the RA, I'm open to suggestions 17:31 * stickster had a turn but will take it if no one else does 17:31 < quaid> and I guess we have to be careful about trademarked usage of Zod, but ... well, we can have fun 17:31 < quaid> stickster: right, that's how I felt ... I had a turn and wanted to pass it on 17:31 < quaid> who in FDP deserves the chance :) 17:31 < stickster> And has time to do it super-immediately? 17:32 < EvilBob> I will help as always when ever 17:32 < EvilBob> I don't have time to take the lead on it however 17:32 < stickster> Are "they" looking for the press release and the prepended "fun stuff" for the public ML announcements? 17:33 < stickster> Sounds like it 17:33 < quaid> here is what we need: the fun release announcement 17:33 < quaid> and we need someone who can write creatively, right? 17:33 < |DrJef|> quaid, i saw last nights robot chicken on adult swim... they had a zod aerobics skit 17:33 < quaid> glezos: how are your fun, creative writing abilities? 17:34 < |DrJef|> quaid, lay down before zod... do 10 leg lift reps before zod 17:34 < stickster> Kneel before Zod and stretch out your back 17:34 * stickster just found the hook 17:35 < stickster> Hmm, 3 verses and the chorus... coming up :-D 17:36 < stickster> Anyone? 17:36 < stickster> Bueller? 17:36 < quaid> sorry, what? 17:36 < EvilBob> lol 17:36 < quaid> anyway ... 17:37 < quaid> yeah, we have the RA to resolve, and I'll do it if I can't find anyone soon 17:37 < quaid> the official PR is written and in queue for approval, the FC6ReleaseSummary needs love but mspevack_afk says he is going to work on that 17:37 * stickster is off the hook for Board for a few days, so remains at quaid's disposal 17:38 < quaid> let's see .. did you see what notting and megacode were discussing before? 17:38 < stickster> yes 17:38 < quaid> a few hours ago, yeah 17:38 < stickster> Looks like they found an adaptive index solution that works for current FF, which is much better than waiting for FF-2.0 in my opinion 17:38 * stickster leaves that to them to implement 17:39 < quaid> so ... i dunno if that is something notting is trying to get working now or what ... 17:39 < quaid> ok, good 17:39 < stickster> notting will provide 17:39 < quaid> I haven't had time to love the DUG 17:39 < quaid> each section needs more intro, etc. 17:39 < stickster> Love the DUG! LOVE IT! 17:39 < quaid> are you interested in any time on that? feel free 17:39 < stickster> Liebe meine Dokumentation 17:39 < stickster> Sure, always willing to help out a buddy 17:40 < quaid> so, yeah, general "please help finalize the DUG" to everyone 17:40 < stickster> I wrote part of a new example-tutorial waiting at my sister's dr. appt. yesterday 17:40 < quaid> cool 17:40 < stickster> It's a LOT of 17:40 < quaid> let's see ... so that is the default browser splash page update done ... 17:40 < stickster> But will make XML not so scary to new folks 17:40 < stickster> *AND* f13 graciously got it in the ISO for us 17:41 * stickster chalks in note to buy him a brew at next IRL meeting 17:41 < quaid> wow, coolio 17:41 < stickster> slips can be good 17:41 < f13> heh, when the tree goes boom, stuff can sneak in. 17:42 < f13> We came >.< close to releasing a bad tree to the world :/ 17:42 < stickster> "You underestimate the sneakiness. Sneaky, sneaky!" 17:42 < EvilBob> f13: Yeah good catch 17:42 < |DrJef|> f13, i wonder how many people have downloaded my delibrately malformed iso 'leaks' of fc6 from the torrent darknets 17:43 < EvilBob> On a releated note I think the FC5 Re-Spins may be dead 17:43 < stickster> I imagine someone is feverishly working up some .py to dummy-check the tree :-) 17:43 < f13> |DrJef|: jeremy found a wav of the 'Price is Right' wrong answer sound. I'm considering making an iso full of that. 17:43 < quaid> evil weevil 17:43 < f13> stickster: oh we have that, this wasn't found by tree checking, it was found by doing actual installs. 17:43 * stickster notes FDSCo meeting seems to have slipped out of key 17:43 < quaid> ok, next item is ... MoinMoin stuff 17:44 < |DrJef|> EvilBob, as in short term death due to technical issues... or long term death due to lack of resources? 17:44 < f13> EvilBob: whats up with that? 17:44 < quaid> nah, I'm filling out notes, we're cruising along 17:44 < stickster> cool 17:44 < quaid> in fact ... 17:44 < stickster> f13: yIKES 17:44 < quaid> so, last weekend I met the core MoinMoin developers at the GSoC summit 17:44 < EvilBob> the latest attempt at Re-Spins failed miserably on the new build server I will be verifying the results on the old server later tonight 17:44 < quaid> and heard verbally what is needed to get the GSoC updates from mvirkkil's branch to the trunk 17:45 < EvilBob> Missing images and no kernel 17:45 < f13> ruh roh 17:45 < quaid> so I need to get together with mvirkkil, see what he can do, and what we can do, all probably over on #moin-devel 17:45 < quaid> I've informed mmcgrath about this, and that the Moin guys have some upgrade tips and scripts that may help 17:45 < quaid> e.g., spaces are not allowed in names 17:45 < quaid> we have some hundreds of files with spaces ... 17:45 < quaid> fortunately, a script exists that can help 17:46 < quaid> so, I'm going to add an item to coordinate specifically on this upgrade. 17:46 < EvilBob> BRB, time to make some grub 17:46 < stickster> quaid: "files with spaces"? 17:47 < quaid> filenames with spaces 17:47 * stickster is confused... (the usual) where? 17:48 < quaid> do a search on the wiki for " " in Titles 17:48 < quaid> i.e., we have /WikiNames WithSpaces/ 17:48 < f13> eew 17:49 < stickster> Yikes 17:49 < stickster> Suckage. 17:50 < quaid> well, Thomas Waldmann from Moin said they have some scripts that can help, so hopefully that is a minor-ish pain 17:50 < quaid> we're not sure what is going to break yet, we need to work on that17:51 * f13 watches Heros 17:51 < quaid> ok, so that is that 17:51 < quaid> f13: how is that show? 17:51 < f13> er Heroes 17:51 < quaid> haven't been able to catch it 17:51 < f13> quaid: not so bad yet, this is the first one I'm watching 17:51 < quaid> Eitch: did you have anything you wanted to discuss on Trans/Docs problem solving? 17:51 < Eitch> not yet 17:51 < Eitch> :( 17:52 < quaid> no worries, I don't really expect that we can pick it up that quick, with releases and such going on 17:53 < quaid> same with Megacoder, he has a Dr. app't tonight and don't think he had anything to report on the i18n WUI or CVS stuff yet 17:54 * EvilBob spins on the old server 17:55 < quaid> and I think we discussed the remaining item already 17:55 < quaid> "Release notes package and Web updates" 17:55 -!- |DrJef| [n=jefrey at fedora/Jef] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:57 < stickster> yup 17:58 * stickster is sorry, writing email to "da" translators to get them to do a couple more files so he can actually build their shiny new IG 17:58 < quaid> then we are good and such 17:58 < quaid> AOB? 17:58 < EvilBob> Nope 17:58 < stickster> nope 18:01 < quaid> rockin' 18:02 < quaid> 18:02 * stickster is building and publishing some new IGs, quaid: you OK with notes? 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