rpms/tinyerp/FC-3 tinyerp.spec,1.7,1.8

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 18:31 +0100, Enrico Scholz wrote:
> rc040203 at freenet.de (Ralf Corsepius) writes:

> > It only works because you are using fedora-usrmgt everywhere, comprising
> > non-fedora machines in your network.
> 
> And? Every thing has a beginning. It is difficultly to persuade Fedora
> people, and I had no time yet to start with non-fedora ones ;)
Woa! That's nothing but Fedora arrogance and ignorance wrt. portability.

Face it: Fedora-usrmgt is an isolated Fedora proprietary solution - not
any better or worse than any other proprietary SW, be it from M$ or whom
else. It is GPL'ed, so anybody is free to use it, but unlike on Fedora
system, you are not in a position to force them to use it.

> > It won't work:
> > - If you don't have control over ALL machines (E.g. because a work-group
> > in your network doesn't grant you admin-rights on a subset of
> > machines).
> 
> When I do not have admin-rights there, why should I try to add new
> users?
Because a "Requires: fedora-usrmgt" inside of fedora packages forces
other machines in a network to adopt fedora-usrmgt rsp. it's internal
working principles/strategies.

This doesn't work, because in larger networks, admins use different
strategies and tools to administrate uids/groups etc. you don't have the
slightest chance to know about.

Fedora-usrmgt presumes a networking one strategy, but ... in a network,
Fedora is not alone, so any assumptions you want to impose are and will
inevitably be wrong. 

> > - if another similar tool is installed on machines in your network (say
> > a "suse-usrmgt" or "sun-usrmgt" on SuSE or Suns in your network.)
> 
> fedora-usermgmt is not very fedora specific; it works probably out-of-the
> box on SuSE machines, the SUN version will perhaps need removal of some
> bash'isms.
That's not the problem.

The problem is: The fact FE uses fedora-usrmgt as hard-coded
unconditional requirements forces everybody on a network to use it rsp.
to adopt it.

> > I.e. fedora-usrmgt's has an infective nature - To me, this is a
> > fundamental design flaw, which questions it as a whole.
> 
> Please not this infective ... crap. When you do not want it, then do not
> use GPLed software.
BS - What has licensing to do with FE containing hard-coded dependencies
on a package which causes one fedora machine in network to infect other
machines on the network?

In case I still have not been clear enough: There is no problem with
fedora-usrmgt as a stand-alone package/tool. The problem is using it
inside of rpms and having dependencies on fedora-usrmgt inside of rpms.

Ralf