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Re: vice in extras

2 questions:

1a) Are vintage hardware emulators all dubbed grey-area and thus not distributable, or only those which need / are shipped with bios ROMS?

1b) And what about those for which the BIOS / ROMS have been set free explicitly?

2) Since atleast a number of emulators are dubbed gray area, is anyone willing to host a Fedora compatible (but not Fedora) RPMS repository like livna, but then specific for emulators? I'll gladly volunteer to maintain a couple of emulator packages, xmame comes to mind :)




I know this might be best discussed elsewhere due to legal concerns, so:
- the above is strictly my personal opinion and in way related to RedHat and/or the Fedora project
- please keep possible legal concerns in mind when replying and/or reply with a private mail.

Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 14:52:13 -0600, Tom 'spot' Callaway wrote:

On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 15:39 -0500, Chuck R. Anderson wrote:

On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 02:52:39PM -0500, seth vidal wrote:

On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 19:54 +0100, Lars wrote:


it would be nice to migrate the vice commodore emulator package from
fedora.us to the official extras repo.

in true oldschool-gaming-spirit,

vice was removed from fedora extras b/c of potential legal issues.

Aww shucks. That rules out all vintage emulators, then, one of my favorite pasttimes :( Kegs, stella, uae, ...

Unless you can get written permission from the original trademark/copyright holders, they're all forbidden. :(

Hey, maybe someday, they'll slip into the public domain. When I'm 370.

Although I'm not aware of any legal actions against authors of Commodore
home computer emulators, such as VICE or UAE, who include the original ROM
contents, these emulators are a grey area.  For the trademark/copyright
holders, it's a trade-off between seeing the emulators, and the scene
surrounding them, as advertizing (e.g. some either pretend or believe that
there's still a real market, a target group of nostalgia fans, who buy
new/related products and software for the old technology) and as
infringement of copyrights or patents. Occasionally, there have been
reports of a few cease-and-desist letters to web sites, which offer
copyrighted games for download.

Excerpt from an explanation I posted elsewhere:

The copyright for these images is with Commodore International BV, a
subsidiary of Tulip Computers, Netherlands. The old 'Commodore' trademark
has been bought by Tulip, and recently they've signed a letter of intent
with California based Yeahronimo Media Ventures Inc to sell their entire
Commodore subsidiary. YMV's business model increases the likelihood of
actions against emulator authors and copyright infringement.

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