xfce questions

[Kevin Fenzi]

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Greetings. 

Having spoken up about maintaining the xfce packages in fedora-extras
I did a bit of poking around, and have a few questions for everyone. 

The fedora core 3 provided packages related to/provided by the xfce
project are: 

dbh
libxfce4mcs
libxfce4util
libxfcegui4
xfce4-iconbox
xfce4-panel
xfce4-systray
xfce-mcs-manager
xfce-mcs-plugins
xfce-utils

In the 4.2.0 current release we have all the following: 

dbh
gtk-xfce-engine
libxfce4mcs
libxfce4util
libxfcegui4
xfcalendar
xfce4-appfinder
xfce4-iconbox
xfce4-icon-theme
xfce4-mixer
xfce4-panel
xfce4-session
xfce4-systray
xfce4-toys
xfce4-trigger-launcher
xfce-mcs-manager
xfce-mcs-plugins
xfce-utils
xfdesktop
xffm
xfprint
xfwm4
xfwm4-themes

Of course all of those aren't needed, but do provide all of the
desktop. Additionally, I would like to package the Terminal
application from the xfce-goodies project:
http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=910 
(Sure wish they had picked a less generic name for it)

I note that the dbh package isn't listed on the OrphanedPackages page
on the wiki. Does that mean it's still in core? Was that missed when
xfce was moved out? (Its the only related package that doesn't have
'xfce' in the package name)

I assume if it's still in core to get it upgradedfrom the 1.0.18-5
version to the new 1.0.20 version I submit a bugzilla RFE?

I see that the xfce folks provide spec files for all their
packages. They likely don't confom to all the fedora-extras guidelines
for spec files, but they are there upstream. Should I start from those
spec files and clean them up? Or should I try and use the existing
4.0.6 spec files and get them working with the 4.2.0 xfce? 

Fortunately, there are only 4 patches in the 4.0.6 packages, and they
all look pretty minor to get working on the new version. Also, there
are only currently 5 bugs filed in fc3 with 'xfce' in the subject. 

Should we try and merge spec file changes upstream? Things like
changelogs are likely not of interest to the upstream packages. 

Should changelog entries be preserved when moving from core->extras?
- From older to newer versions?

Should I be building and testing on fc3 or development? Both? 
When should fedora-extras provide a newer version than core? 

BTW, for anyone that tried out xfce with the 4.0.6 packages in fc3,
you should try it out again with the 4.2.0 packages. Tons of
improvements. See: http://xfce.org/release_notes/4.2.0_changelog.html

Thanks for any input. 

kevin
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