RFC: FESCo Future
mspevack at redhat.com
Tue Apr 25 17:32:57 UTC 2006
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Max Spevack wrote:
>>> Some examples:
>>> * RH has killed the FF, without even informing the community in advance.
>>> (Now some projects are complaining about lack of funding - Could it be
>>> RH missed the aspect of using a "foundation as means of fundraising?)
> Due respect Josh, but just because we didn't inform *you* ahead of time
> doesn't mean that the decision was made entirely within Red Hat's walls. A
> number of non-Red Hat folks knew about the decision ahead of time, and had a
> hand in helping us to come up with the reasoning and messaging around why FF
> didn't make sense, and why the current Board model is a superior choice.
Oops, got a bit confused with the threading. I guess Ralf was really the
original writer. Sorry Josh.
> Did you read the message that we sent out discussing the reasons why the
> Foundation decision wasn't compelling? Fundraising was specifically
> addressed in there.
> Furthermore, there was a very frank conversation about the way Fedora *is*
> governed, and the main point out of that is that the Fedora Project Board is
> set up *purposely* to have a very strong representation of people who don't
> work at Red Hat. This is the *reality* of what we are doing right now. The
> Fedora Project Board is empowered to make decisions about what Fedora does.
> A significant amount of that Board's membership is not @redhat.com -- and I
> promise you that I have no problem with seeing that balance shift more toward
> the community over time, if that is what is clearly the best for Fedora.
>> What does that have to do with FESCO?
>>> * RH has proclaimed the FPB and has inaugurated the persons at their own
>>> will without consulting nor informing the community. They selecting a
>>> person as head we never saw in any Fedora Project before nor without
>>> thinking about this organs interaction with other Fedora Projects.
>>> (In politics such an incident would be called "palace revolution")
> As I said above, parts of the community were consulted. The community is
> consulted now in everything the Board does. The actions of the board are
> transparent, and everyone has a direct line to contact and influence the work
> that the Board is doing.
> In response to your criticism of me as being the Chair of the FPB without
> having been active in Fedora previously: It's true that I wasn't directly
> involved in the Fedora side of Red Hat prior to beginning in my current job,
> but don't base your opinion of me solely on that. If you have concerns and
> issues with the way I'm handling Fedora, write the Board and complain. Write
> to boss and convince him that I should be replaced. Make a compelling
> argument for why things are wrong and how they should be instead and your
> voice will be heard.
> My job isn't to be a dictator over Fedora. My job is to be Fedora's biggest
> advocate within Red Hat, to set Fedora up as much as possible for community
> decision making and empowerment, and to constantly remind the rest of Red Hat
> of the immense value of open source methods, community involvement, etc.
> I get a paycheck from Red Hat. But I work for Fedora. If the larger powers
> that be inside of Red Hat decide that Fedora isn't important, then I'll be
> the one yelling the loudest, and most publicly that they are wrong, and I'll
> be first in line to submit my resignation.
> But you know what? That isn't going to happen. The very fact that the
> position (that I currently have) was formalized within Red Hat underscores
> Red Hat's desire to see Fedora be a success.
>> We're talking about how we, the Extras community, want to govern ourselves.
>> Leave Red Hat out of this discussion please.
> I'm not really sure what you're complaining about. Someone asked the Board:
> "Extras is ready to shuffle up its leadership a bit. Do you guys need/want
> to have a say in that?"
> Look at the first response: it was me say "Nope, you guys do your own thing.
> And the Board is going to learn from you."
> So tell me: where's the lack of democracy? Where's the iron fist? What are
> you *actually* angry about?
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