From vgaburici at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 00:26:57 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:26:57 +0300 Subject: Very nice of you to write the tl2rpm converter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, the main problem I see with that single spec is update handling. When a single source of those many thousands changes, you'd have to rebuild all the binary rpms, and they'll all get a new release number. Unless there's some hack to avoid this, the Fedora user would have to update all the texlive rpms every time, thus negating any benefit of having TL split in those packages. Also, I think you need a way patch that spec after it's generated or perhaps as it is generated. Some reasons to do this: * packaging the TeX OpenType fonts only for TeX is a no-no these days * some TL packages have incorrect/missing license. For instance glyphlist, which contains Adobe's glyphlist.txt, (which is taken from lcdf-typetools in TL2008) and IMHO needs "Redistributable, no modification permitted". BTW, in TL2008 that file is required by lcdf-typetools and dvipdfmx, but in Fedora's TL 2007, dvipdfmx includes Adobe's file in its own rpm, so the rpm probably has an incomplete license field because of it; should add "... and Redistributable, no ..." like poppler has. * some packages should probably not be built from TeXLive, so you probably need blacklist. Examples: - The Gyre fonts (currenly) have a licensing issue. - Some packages like lcdf-typetools (in which all programs except one don't actually need TeX at all) are probably better built outside of TeXLive (with subpackages in this case). - You probably want to disable tlmgr. Unless you can patch it to install rpms instead, of course, but that seem difficult to hack... * the TL2008 texmf.cnf file uses $SELFAUTOPARENT. This can cause trouble with binaries sitting outside its tree. If the user installs any binaries of its own (say in /usr/local/bin), they won't work with the default cnf. See: http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2008-August/017338.html As matter of approach, packaging TL binaries surely is convenient, but there are some potential problems: * odd shared libraries used. For instance TL2008's lcdf-typetools did not work on Fedora 9 out of the box because of missing libstdc++.so.5 (granted it's in a compat package, so when the RPM is built the right dependency would probably get added), but that dependency is gratuitous in this case. * TL builds a lot of stuff statically liked. A prime example is XeTeX. This one is tricky because it uses modified versions of some libraries (ICU), some libraries which don't have any modifications but are also included in XeTeX tree. Hope this helps, Vasile On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Vasile Gaburici wrote: > It would have been even nicer had you cc'd fedora-devel-list... > > For those that don't read the tex-live at tug list, or the ambassadors' > list, here's the tl2rpm (prototype) announcement: > http://tug.org/pipermail/tex-live/2008-August/017190.html > > My main concern is that %post actions will turn out quite hairy, see > below (you were probably on vacation then): > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Vasile Gaburici > Date: Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:19 AM > Subject: Re: TeXLive 2008 in F10? > To: Jonathan Underwood , Patrice Dumas > , Development discussions related to Fedora > > > > Initially I thought we could do without their installer, because I > found only 4 types of "execute", i.e. post install script actions in > the master texlive.tlpdb on CTAN. Then I had a look at their new > packager's sources: > http://www.tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/tlpkg/TeXLive/. Besides > the 4 generic "execute" types, there are plenty of hardcoded > package-specific things in TLPostActions.pm. > > So, I don't see an easy way of dealing with this. Duplicating all that > stuff in rpm post scriptlets would be highly unmaintanable. The only > sane way would be to install their packager library first, and to > execute post actions from there as needed, which needs at least a > wrapper script since that code is Perl. It's more than I have time for > this weekend... > From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Sep 1 09:59:54 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:59:54 +0200 Subject: CC-ing the bugs list does not work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220263194.2047.8.camel@rousalka.okg> Le mercredi 27 ao?t 2008 ? 11:03 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a ?crit : > I've CC'd on some bug reports I've > sent to (they don't use a bug tracker anymore), but > the archives of fedora-fonts-bugs-list do show these messages... Does > anyone know why? fedora-fonts-bugs-list only accepts mails from a few specific bug tracker addresses to cut down on spam. For manual mails, please use fedora-fonts-list Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Sep 1 11:57:26 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:57:26 +0200 Subject: Font subsetting is patented? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220270246.8515.0.camel@rousalka.okg> Le mardi 12 ao?t 2008 ? 15:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a ?crit : > Seems to me this way: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6252671/description.html > But IANAL... For this kind of question, ask fedora-legal or spot -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Sep 1 18:32:08 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:32:08 +0200 Subject: Very nice of you to write the tl2rpm converter In-Reply-To: <20080901173919.GB17353@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> References: <20080901173919.GB17353@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1220293928.2037.3.camel@rousalka.okg> Le lundi 01 septembre 2008 ? 19:39 +0200, Jindrich Novy a ?crit : > This looks like an optimal granularity for it since collections > contain largest possible TeX Live bits that don't yet conflicts. But > the review process for 400 generated specs quite scares me. Just start by splitting out all the stuff useful to non-TEX users (ie fonts) and you'll find reviewers and possibly co-maintainers. I'd rather review a score of simple packages that follow standard templates than the horror the current mashup is. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From vgaburici at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 18:55:16 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:55:16 +0300 Subject: Very nice of you to write the tl2rpm converter In-Reply-To: <1220293928.2037.3.camel@rousalka.okg> References: <20080901173919.GB17353@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> <1220293928.2037.3.camel@rousalka.okg> Message-ID: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le lundi 01 septembre 2008 ? 19:39 +0200, Jindrich Novy a ?crit : > >> This looks like an optimal granularity for it since collections >> contain largest possible TeX Live bits that don't yet conflicts. But >> the review process for 400 generated specs quite scares me. > > Just start by splitting out all the stuff useful to non-TEX users (ie > fonts) and you'll find reviewers and possibly co-maintainers. I'd rather > review a score of simple packages that follow standard templates than > the horror the current mashup is. That can't be done by just grouping the TeXLive packages, you'd need some splitting as well. In TL 2008 each font package contains the fonts in a bunch of formats, some of which are useful only for TeX, some of general interest. Take for instance a simple font like cyklop (a relatively new titling font from GUST -- don't worry these are digitizations of old metal fonts, so no copyright issues), which has only a regular and italic variants. In the same package you find the two .otf files of general interest, two afm/pfb pairs of legacy interest, as well as a whole bunch of (La)TeX-specific files (.fd, .tfm, .enc, .map and a .sty) for various (La)TeX 8-bit encodings. As you know all these files are essentially only metrics and encoding vectors; TeX82 drivers and pdfTeX use the pfbs for the actual glyphs. There's no problem moving the otf files to the system font dir however. XeTeX can find them via fontconfig, and for LuaTeX you can set OSFONTDIR. Note that the LuaTeX that ships with TeXLive 2008 is hardly usable: it has bugs in it's font cache code, and it's installed (as in copied) but not really cofigured by TL (there's a page with instructions on contextgarden if you really want to use it), so don't worry too much about it. Anyone interested in LuaTeX uses the ConTeXt "minimals" distro these says --- LuaTeX doesn't currently support LaTeX or plain TeX. > > -- > Nicolas Mailhot > From vgaburici at gmail.com Mon Sep 1 19:18:26 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:18:26 +0300 Subject: Very nice of you to write the tl2rpm converter In-Reply-To: References: <20080901173919.GB17353@dhcp-lab-186.brq.redhat.com> <1220293928.2037.3.camel@rousalka.okg> Message-ID: Alternatively, although Nicolas won't like it, one could just symlink texmf-dist/fonts/opentype/public under the system fonts dir. This is definitely less work than splitting every TL font package. OTOH, you could script the splitting easily enough since there are only otf files in those dirs and no otf files go anywhere else in the TL tree. Note that some fonts like Asana-Math (and probably others) are already included separately in Fedora. The situation is slightly more complicated with texmf-dist/fonts/truetype because pdftex can use those fonts directly, but it cannot find them via fontconfig (or any environment variable that I know of, but there may well be one). So, they'd have to be symlinked one way or the other in both the system fonts dir and the tex-live fonts dir. Nasty business these fonts are. ;) On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:55 PM, Vasile Gaburici wrote: > On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Nicolas Mailhot > wrote: >> Le lundi 01 septembre 2008 ? 19:39 +0200, Jindrich Novy a ?crit : >> >>> This looks like an optimal granularity for it since collections >>> contain largest possible TeX Live bits that don't yet conflicts. But >>> the review process for 400 generated specs quite scares me. >> >> Just start by splitting out all the stuff useful to non-TEX users (ie >> fonts) and you'll find reviewers and possibly co-maintainers. I'd rather >> review a score of simple packages that follow standard templates than >> the horror the current mashup is. > > That can't be done by just grouping the TeXLive packages, you'd need > some splitting as well. In TL 2008 each font package contains the > fonts in a bunch of formats, some of which are useful only for TeX, > some of general interest. > > Take for instance a simple font like cyklop (a relatively new titling > font from GUST -- don't worry these are digitizations of old metal > fonts, so no copyright issues), which has only a regular and italic > variants. In the same package you find the two .otf files of general > interest, two afm/pfb pairs of legacy interest, as well as a whole > bunch of (La)TeX-specific files (.fd, .tfm, .enc, .map and a .sty) for > various (La)TeX 8-bit encodings. As you know all these files are > essentially only metrics and encoding vectors; TeX82 drivers and > pdfTeX use the pfbs for the actual glyphs. > > There's no problem moving the otf files to the system font dir > however. XeTeX can find them via fontconfig, and for LuaTeX you can > set OSFONTDIR. > > Note that the LuaTeX that ships with TeXLive 2008 is hardly usable: it > has bugs in it's font cache code, and it's installed (as in copied) > but not really cofigured by TL (there's a page with instructions on > contextgarden if you really want to use it), so don't worry too much > about it. Anyone interested in LuaTeX uses the ConTeXt "minimals" > distro these says --- LuaTeX doesn't currently support LaTeX or plain > TeX. > >> >> -- >> Nicolas Mailhot >> > From tcallawa at redhat.com Tue Sep 2 14:14:19 2008 From: tcallawa at redhat.com (Tom "spot" Callaway) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:14:19 -0400 Subject: Font subsetting is patented? In-Reply-To: <1220270246.8515.0.camel@rousalka.okg> References: <1220270246.8515.0.camel@rousalka.okg> Message-ID: <1220364859.26352.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 13:57 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mardi 12 ao?t 2008 ? 15:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a ?crit : > > Seems to me this way: http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6252671/description.html > > But IANAL... > > For this kind of question, ask fedora-legal or spot More font fun? :( Can someone please give me a summary of the concerns we have here and how it relates to Fedora? Keep in mind that I'm by no means a font expert. Thanks, ~spot From benlaenen at gmail.com Tue Sep 2 14:26:20 2008 From: benlaenen at gmail.com (Ben Laenen) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:26:20 +0200 Subject: Font subsetting is patented? In-Reply-To: <1220364859.26352.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1220270246.8515.0.camel@rousalka.okg> <1220364859.26352.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200809021626.21137.benlaenen@gmail.com> On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote: > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 13:57 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > Le mardi 12 ao?t 2008 ? 15:41 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a ?crit : > > > Seems to me this way: > > > http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6252671/description.html But > > > IANAL... > > > > For this kind of question, ask fedora-legal or spot > > More font fun? :( > > Can someone please give me a summary of the concerns we have here and > how it relates to Fedora? Keep in mind that I'm by no means a font > expert. Why do we care at all? If we obey all patents issued in the US or other countries it's not possible to make a functioning desktop at all. I never understood why something important like truetype hinting will always be turned off because of patents while everything else that's patented seems to be ignored. Lately the story came that MS got a patent on PageUp and PageDown, do we now make those keys not work because of that? Ben From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Sep 3 08:56:10 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:56:10 +0200 Subject: Fedora fonts SIG pre-freeze status Message-ID: <1220432170.3677.15.camel@rousalka.okg> Hi all, I've updated our status page http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts_inclusion_history While we've still not quite reached the F9 addition volume, things are starting to look not too bad. It would be nice to reach the 40 new packages mark by F10 release time. This page is intended to be referenced in release notes, so each new font needs to be described properly. Right now: ? icelandic fonts and smc fonts have no wiki page ? darkgarden, sportrop and thibault fonts have unfinished pages ? please fix Additionnaly the plan is still to bump fontforge to the latest version just before next week's freeze (and rebuild dependant fonts). Please make sure your packages are ready for rebuild by then. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From jg at laptop.org Wed Sep 3 19:29:10 2008 From: jg at laptop.org (Jim Gettys) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:29:10 -0400 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? Message-ID: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> Last I knew, all they would do (on the screen) was make for an ugly screen, as we haven't had a decent Type-1 font renderer.... Anyone have any knowledge of anything current that uses type-1 on the screen? On paper? - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child From dave at lab6.com Wed Sep 3 19:34:44 2008 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:34:44 +0100 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> Message-ID: <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Jim Gettys : > Last I knew, all they would do (on the screen) was make for an ugly > screen, as we haven't had a decent Type-1 font renderer.... > > Anyone have any knowledge of anything current that uses type-1 on the > screen? On paper? > - Jim Many proprietary fonts are only available in Type 1 format (with licenses that permit private format conversion, eg Adobe) and they remain dominant in the print end of the graphic design industry. I guess free programs that cater to print-end graphic designers - Scribus especially, and Inkscape too - would have users making use of Type 1 fonts a lot. -- Regards, Dave From jg at laptop.org Wed Sep 3 19:50:38 2008 From: jg at laptop.org (Jim Gettys) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:50:38 -0400 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1220471438.9856.158.camel@jg-vaio> I'm specifically talking about the type-1 fonts in the distribution; I wasn't planning to pull the renderer itself. Specifically the package: xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 - Jim On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 20:34 +0100, Dave Crossland wrote: > 2008/9/3 Jim Gettys : > > Last I knew, all they would do (on the screen) was make for an ugly > > screen, as we haven't had a decent Type-1 font renderer.... > > > > Anyone have any knowledge of anything current that uses type-1 on the > > screen? On paper? > > - Jim > > Many proprietary fonts are only available in Type 1 format (with > licenses that permit private format conversion, eg Adobe) and they > remain dominant in the print end of the graphic design industry. > > I guess free programs that cater to print-end graphic designers - > Scribus especially, and Inkscape too - would have users making use of > Type 1 fonts a lot. > -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Sep 3 19:57:38 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:57:38 +0200 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> Message-ID: <1220471858.12846.11.camel@rousalka.okg> Le mercredi 03 septembre 2008 ? 15:29 -0400, Jim Gettys a ?crit : > Last I knew, all they would do (on the screen) was make for an ugly > screen, as we haven't had a decent Type-1 font renderer.... > > Anyone have any knowledge of anything current that uses type-1 on the > screen? On paper? There was some discussion on the subject at the end of last month, all the gory details should be in the archives. But anyway, IIRC: 1. the most user-visible Type1 holdout are the GhostScript PS1-compatible fonts. We ship them in many forms/versions, they should all be hunted down and replaced by the OpenType GUST TEX Gyre fonts, *IF* someone manages to convince the GUST guys to straighten out their licensing (ie not relicense GPL material under their pet license just because they like it best) 2. TEX in general seems a multi-font-format (including PS1) swamp. I don't despair of the TEX guys doing some massive draining, but right now the situation is not pretty. 3. and you have all the people who've spent fat sums of money on proprietary Type1 fonts, and are belately realising that computer formats are not eternal and they've invested in perishable goods (but they'd love to postpone their fate some more) Personnaly I feel that if 1. was taken care of, there would be some pressure on 2., and 3. is a lost cause anyway. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Wed Sep 3 20:01:08 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:01:08 +0200 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220471438.9856.158.camel@jg-vaio> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> <1220471438.9856.158.camel@jg-vaio> Message-ID: <1220472068.12846.15.camel@rousalka.okg> Le mercredi 03 septembre 2008 ? 15:50 -0400, Jim Gettys a ?crit : > I'm specifically talking about the type-1 fonts in the distribution; I > wasn't planning to pull the renderer itself. > > Specifically the package: xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 I don't think anything really depends on this one. Actually, except for console users, I don't think anything really depends on xorg fonts anymore (except the builtin ones). They've been dead wood too long ? font projects moved elsewere. -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From vgaburici at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 19:53:11 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:53:11 +0300 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> Message-ID: The same can be said about OpenType CFF fonts. There are some minor improvements in hinting between Type 1 and Type 2 (CFF), e.g. flex hints, but the mechanism is largely the same. Type 1 or CFF fonts work quite well in a PDF viewer, because you usually use larger point sizes. But they don't work that well as UI fonts, which is probably what you mean. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > Last I knew, all they would do (on the screen) was make for an ugly > screen, as we haven't had a decent Type-1 font renderer.... > > Anyone have any knowledge of anything current that uses type-1 on the > screen? On paper? > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > One Laptop Per Child > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-fonts-list mailing list > Fedora-fonts-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list > > From jg at laptop.org Wed Sep 3 20:33:09 2008 From: jg at laptop.org (Jim Gettys) Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:33:09 -0400 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220472068.12846.15.camel@rousalka.okg> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> <1220471438.9856.158.camel@jg-vaio> <1220472068.12846.15.camel@rousalka.okg> Message-ID: <1220473989.9856.163.camel@jg-vaio> On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 22:01 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le mercredi 03 septembre 2008 ? 15:50 -0400, Jim Gettys a ?crit : > > I'm specifically talking about the type-1 fonts in the distribution; I > > wasn't planning to pull the renderer itself. > > > > Specifically the package: xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 > > I don't think anything really depends on this one. > > Actually, except for console users, I don't think anything really > depends on xorg fonts anymore (except the builtin ones). They've been > dead wood too long ? font projects moved elsewere. > Exactly. I suspect it is pretty safe to nuke it so it isn't installed on Fedora by default, leaving the chance of picking them up by accident. There are some other packages that are similar, I suspect; e.g. the URW fonts. It's also possible to nuke the bitmap fonts, though for legacy reasons, font aliases should be installed to fail-over to one of the modern outline fonts. - Jim -- Jim Gettys One Laptop Per Child From vgaburici at gmail.com Wed Sep 3 21:01:43 2008 From: vgaburici at gmail.com (Vasile Gaburici) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:01:43 +0300 Subject: Does anyone know of any remaining users of the Type1 fonts? In-Reply-To: <1220473989.9856.163.camel@jg-vaio> References: <1220470150.9856.155.camel@jg-vaio> <2285a9d20809031234xf7caf19n262faf90e9abe259@mail.gmail.com> <1220471438.9856.158.camel@jg-vaio> <1220472068.12846.15.camel@rousalka.okg> <1220473989.9856.163.camel@jg-vaio> Message-ID: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 22:01 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> Le mercredi 03 septembre 2008 ? 15:50 -0400, Jim Gettys a ?crit : >> > I'm specifically talking about the type-1 fonts in the distribution; I >> > wasn't planning to pull the renderer itself. >> > >> > Specifically the package: xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 >> >> I don't think anything really depends on this one. >> >> Actually, except for console users, I don't think anything really >> depends on xorg fonts anymore (except the builtin ones). They've been >> dead wood too long ? font projects moved elsewere. >> > > Exactly. I suspect it is pretty safe to nuke it so it isn't installed > on Fedora by default, leaving the chance of picking them up by accident. +1 for removing xorg-x11-fonts-Type1 > > There are some other packages that are similar, I suspect; e.g. the URW > fonts. These are the standard PostScript 35 fonts, albeit with URW names. I'm not sure that certain things won't break without them, e.g. old PDFs that don't embed base fonts. Adobe 7.x+ comes with multiple master fonts to emulate these, but I don't think evince/poppler have such capabilities. Needs some testing. > It's also possible to nuke the bitmap fonts, though for legacy reasons, > font aliases should be installed to fail-over to one of the modern > outline fonts. -0.5 Not really remove. You'd have add them as prereqs for various apps that need them (x)emacs and fontforge come to mind. (x)emacs works best with these. You can use other fonts, but you'll have to use a larger point size font and you'll be able to fit fewer text lines on a given screen area. I think people will complain that "emacs fonts look fuzzy / are too big" etc. If you can find a reasonable alternative let me know. > - Jim > > > -- > Jim Gettys > One Laptop Per Child > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-fonts-list mailing list > Fedora-fonts-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list > > From kevin at scrye.com Wed Sep 3 23:29:44 2008 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:29:44 -0600 Subject: new fontforge in rawhide, please rebuild fonts Message-ID: <20080903172944.7a2dd55c@ohm.scrye.com> Greetings. I just built a new version of fontforge in rawhide. Could all maintainers that have packages that BuildRequires: fontforge do a bump and rebuild against the new version? This would be (at least): dejavu-fonts wine linux-libertine-fonts edrip-fonts thibault-fonts thaifonts-scalable darkgarden-fonts inconsolata-fonts Please let me know if you spot any problems with it... kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lyos.gemininorezel at gmail.com Thu Sep 4 04:36:07 2008 From: lyos.gemininorezel at gmail.com (Lyos Norezel) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:36:07 -0400 Subject: Fedora fonts SIG pre-freeze status In-Reply-To: <1220432170.3677.15.camel@rousalka.okg> References: <1220432170.3677.15.camel@rousalka.okg> Message-ID: <45a5b7cc0809032136r5cab4486t48088f0d010a384a@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/3 Nicolas Mailhot > ? darkgarden, sportrop and thibault fonts have unfinished pages > ? please fix DarkGarden and the 4 Thibault fonts pages have been updated/finished. 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Thanks, Jens From petersen at redhat.com Mon Sep 15 03:37:42 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fwd: Gnu FreeFont -- new release In-Reply-To: <5736b090809120104h5c8610a2la684d5319a62791e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1560597672.20071221449862507.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> I am not really familiar with this font, but since it covers quite a number of scripts it looks interesting at least, so forwarding for any comments? Would it be useful to include in Fedora? Jens -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Steve White" Subject: Gnu FreeFont -- new release Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:04:46 +0200 Size: 12893 URL: From moyogo at gmail.com Wed Sep 24 12:02:37 2008 From: moyogo at gmail.com (Denis Jacquerye) Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:02:37 +0200 Subject: can't git-clone liberation-fonts Message-ID: <8ebc61110809240502i2f4c2c67yf3fe0cc8a0e7a2e9@mail.gmail.com> The command "git-clone http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/liberation-fonts.git" gives the following warning and leaves an empty liberation-fonts directory warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. Cheers, Denis Moyogo Jacquerye From kevin at scrye.com Fri Sep 26 19:31:08 2008 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 13:31:08 -0600 Subject: can't git-clone liberation-fonts In-Reply-To: <8ebc61110809240502i2f4c2c67yf3fe0cc8a0e7a2e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ebc61110809240502i2f4c2c67yf3fe0cc8a0e7a2e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080926133108.1cf7cb38@ohm.scrye.com> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:02:37 +0200 "Denis Jacquerye" wrote: > The command "git-clone > http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/liberation-fonts.git" gives the > following warning and leaves an empty liberation-fonts directory > > warning: remote HEAD refers to nonexistent ref, unable to checkout. I see the same thing here... no idea what it means however. Perhaps ask on a git support list? > Cheers, > > Denis Moyogo Jacquerye kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kevin at scrye.com Mon Sep 29 19:08:16 2008 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:08:16 -0600 Subject: help : newbie packager In-Reply-To: <237370.54627.qm@web8404.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <237370.54627.qm@web8404.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20080929130816.4b1c9da5@ohm.scrye.com> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 18:47:25 +0530 (IST) ankur sinha wrote: > hi,I'm a newbie packager.. I was trying to package this font. > http://www.tulrich.com/fonts/?The upstream tarball has otfs, ttfs and > also sfd source. I enquired at #fedora on the IRC and was advised to > not use the ttf/otfs but build from the sfd files. I dont know how to > do this.. can anyone please help?? an example spec file with > explanations would be great..regards,Ankur https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Font_package_lifecycle See several of the already existing fonts spec files, for example: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/inconsolata-fonts/devel/inconsolata-fonts.spec?revision=1.2 Hope that helps, kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Mon Sep 29 19:18:05 2008 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:18:05 +0200 Subject: help : newbie packager In-Reply-To: <237370.54627.qm@web8404.mail.in.yahoo.com> References: <237370.54627.qm@web8404.mail.in.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1222715885.7795.12.camel@arekh.okg> Le dimanche 28 septembre 2008 ? 18:47 +0530, ankur sinha a ?crit : > hi, > > > > I'm a newbie packager.. I was trying to package this font. > http://www.tulrich.com/fonts/ > > The upstream tarball has otfs, ttfs and also sfd source. I enquired at > #fedora on the IRC and was advised to not use the ttf/otfs but build > from the sfd files. I dont know how to do this.. can anyone please > help?? Hi, It's always nice to see new packagers on the list. Please take the time to read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Font_package_lifecycle and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fonts_packaging if you haven't done so yet. As for building from sfds, you have a simple example there: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/inconsolata-fonts/inconsolata-fonts.spec?revision=1.2&view=markup Bigger projects like Liberation or DejaVu automate sfd processing with a makefile. If you are really interested in a font, it's a good idea to read them and contribute the corresponding makefile to the upstream project. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: Ceci est une partie de message num?riquement sign?e URL: From dave at lab6.com Mon Sep 29 20:29:48 2008 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 22:29:48 +0200 Subject: can't git-clone liberation-fonts In-Reply-To: <48DD4236.7050909@sil.org> References: <8ebc61110809240502i2f4c2c67yf3fe0cc8a0e7a2e9@mail.gmail.com> <48DD4236.7050909@sil.org> Message-ID: <2285a9d20809291329u36c8c2daq313ade77143ba784@mail.gmail.com> 2008/9/26 Nicolas Spalinger : > > Looking forward to what your Liberation branches will have :-) Its up at http://africanlocalisation.net/en/fonts