From kevin at scrye.com Wed Mar 4 20:42:07 2009 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:42:07 -0700 Subject: fontforge update for f10? Message-ID: <20090304134207.2f5d9c2b@ohm.scrye.com> Greetings. In the past we have been reluctant to update fontforge in stable releases. The reason for this is that an update could cause a font to no longer build for some reason and then we would have no way to provide updates to that font. ;( However, there seem to be some issues with the current F10 fontforge, so I would like to open discussion on updating there. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=462038 for some discussion of this. We could likely add libspiro, pango/cairo support in an update if we wanted to as well. Anyone have any thoughts about doing this update in F10? Thanks, kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at lab6.com Wed Mar 4 20:57:02 2009 From: dave at lab6.com (Dave Crossland) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 20:57:02 +0000 Subject: fontforge update for f10? In-Reply-To: <20090304134207.2f5d9c2b@ohm.scrye.com> References: <20090304134207.2f5d9c2b@ohm.scrye.com> Message-ID: <2285a9d20903041257m5cd98d2ck427ee5fcb962bd1c@mail.gmail.com> On list this time.... 2009/3/4 Kevin Fenzi : > Anyone have any thoughts about doing this update in F10? +1 If a font can no longer be built for some reason then we should contact the FF devs :) From oget.fedora at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 21:09:23 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:09:23 -0500 Subject: fontforge update for f10? In-Reply-To: <2285a9d20903041257m5cd98d2ck427ee5fcb962bd1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090304134207.2f5d9c2b@ohm.scrye.com> <2285a9d20903041257m5cd98d2ck427ee5fcb962bd1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > On list this time.... > > 2009/3/4 Kevin Fenzi : >> Anyone have any thoughts about doing this update in F10? > > +1 > > If a font can no longer be built for some reason then we should > contact the FF devs :) > Unfortunately they are not very responsive. I had to remove one glyph from serafettin to make it build with the latest FF. I don't know the reason why I had to remove the glyph. I hope that they will take my bug report into account in the future. Orcan From kevin at scrye.com Thu Mar 5 00:42:25 2009 From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:42:25 -0700 Subject: fontforge update for f10? In-Reply-To: References: <20090304134207.2f5d9c2b@ohm.scrye.com> <2285a9d20903041257m5cd98d2ck427ee5fcb962bd1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090304174225.289514f3@ohm.scrye.com> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:09:23 -0500 Orcan Ogetbil wrote: > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Dave Crossland wrote: > > On list this time.... > > > > 2009/3/4 Kevin Fenzi : > >> Anyone have any thoughts about doing this update in F10? > > > > +1 > > > > If a font can no longer be built for some reason then we should > > contact the FF devs :) > > > > Unfortunately they are not very responsive. I had to remove one glyph > from serafettin to make it build with the latest FF. I don't know the > reason why I had to remove the glyph. I hope that they will take my > bug report into account in the future. Sure. George Williams (upsteam author of fontforge) doesn't have as much time as he used to to work on frontforge. Please be patient and he is pretty good about addressing reports when he is able. > Orcan kevin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From b.rahul.pm at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:48:40 2009 From: b.rahul.pm at gmail.com (Rahul Bhalerao) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 19:18:40 +0530 Subject: lohit-fonts-2.3.8 released Message-ID: Hi All, FYI, lohit-fonts-2.3.8 has been released upstream today with multiple bug fixes. Please check the Changelog for further details here:https://fedorahosted.org/lohit/browser/trunk/ChangeLog The tar ball is at usual location, http://rbhalera.fedorapeople.org/released/lohit/lohit-fonts-2.3.8.tar.gz Thanks & Regards, -- Rahul. http://b.rahul.pm.googlepages.com/home - http://rahulpmb.blogspot.com - http://samadiyami.blogspot.com - http://mazikavita.blogspot.com From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Wed Mar 18 20:55:13 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:55:13 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?q?Changing_=C2=AB_Preferred_Family_=C2=BB_value?= Message-ID: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> Hi ! I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in Fedora [1]. >From my understanding, the bug is in the TTF file itself. I'm not very familiar with fonts (I took over this package as it was orphaned and needed by the fedora-olpc effort), so I don't really know how I should proceed to fix it. Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? Any hint would be greatly appreciated. Regards, [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From oget.fedora at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 21:22:10 2009 From: oget.fedora at gmail.com (Orcan Ogetbil) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:22:10 -0400 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Changing_=AB_Preferred_Family_=BB_value?= In-Reply-To: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 4:55 PM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: > Hi ! > > I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in Fedora [1]. > > >From my understanding, the bug is in the TTF file itself. > > I'm not very familiar with fonts (I took over this package as it was > orphaned and needed by the fedora-olpc effort), so I don't really know > how I should proceed to fix it. > > Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong > upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? > > Any hint would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 > You should be able to handle this with a basic fontforge script [2] Alerting the developer is always a good idea. Orcan [2] http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/scripting-tutorial.html From panemade at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 05:17:37 2009 From: panemade at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?UGFyYWcgTijgpKrgpLDgpL7gpZop?=) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:47:37 +0530 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Changing_=AB_Preferred_Family_=BB_value?= In-Reply-To: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) < bochecha at fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hi ! > > I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in Fedora > [1]. > > >From my understanding, the bug is in the TTF file itself. > > I'm not very familiar with fonts (I took over this package as it was > orphaned and needed by the fedora-olpc effort), so I don't really know > how I should proceed to fix it. > > Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong > upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? Good to discuss with upstream. Someone on IRC informed that there are other Nafees fonts also. so, if those also installed manually along with Nafees-Web-Naksha font then all point to same fontname Nafees in font selection dialog box. > > > Any hint would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards, > > > [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=490830 > > ---------- > > Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) > > "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-fonts-list mailing list > Fedora-fonts-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list > Regards, Parag. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net Thu Mar 19 10:21:04 2009 From: nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net (Nicolas Mailhot) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:21:04 +0100 (CET) Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Changing_=C2=AB_Preferred_Family_=C2=BB_value?= In-Reply-To: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5cc1d953f60653b717950bb8cb561ba8.squirrel@arekh.dyndns.org> Le Mer 18 mars 2009 21:55, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) a ?crit : > > Hi ! > > I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in > Fedora [1]. > Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong > upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? Even though we have the possibility to change all the fonts we ship this should be a last resort. Having the same font behave in different ways in Fedora than in other systems is an interoperability problems. Also, user requests can be misguided. They often ask to reintroduce old bugs they know how to workaround, to avoid new correct behaviours some apps may not know how to handle yet. When in doubt you should ask knowledgeable people on irc (behdad in #fedora-dekstop, eimai and moyogo in #dejavu) if a request is a good idea and how it should be best taken care of. The dejavu people can be very helpful to people discovering fontforge BTW. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot From bochecha at fedoraproject.org Thu Mar 19 10:32:45 2009 From: bochecha at fedoraproject.org (Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:32:45 +0100 Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A_Changing_=C2=AB_Preferred_Family_=C2=BB_value?= In-Reply-To: <5cc1d953f60653b717950bb8cb561ba8.squirrel@arekh.dyndns.org> References: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> <5cc1d953f60653b717950bb8cb561ba8.squirrel@arekh.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <2d319b780903190332q204b3b85q121d13c2f5d8b178@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:21, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > Le Mer 18 mars 2009 21:55, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) a ?crit : >> >> Hi ! >> >> I've just been assigned a bug report on a font package I maintain in >> Fedora [1]. > >> Is there a way for me to patch the TTF file ? Does this belong >> upstream, so I should report it to the font developer ? > > Even though we have the possibility to change all the fonts we ship > this should be a last resort. Having the same font behave in different > ways in Fedora than in other systems is an interoperability problems. Yes, I just didn't know if this was an issue in the packaging or in the packaged software. You (and Oracan and Parag) answered this question :) > Also, user requests can be misguided. They often ask to reintroduce > old bugs they know how to workaround, to avoid new correct behaviours > some apps may not know how to handle yet. I contacted upstream and raised the concern. They might be able to answer this. However, are you implying that this particular issue is misguided ? Or is this really a bug that needs fixing ? > When in doubt you should ask knowledgeable people on irc (behdad in > #fedora-dekstop, eimai and moyogo in #dejavu) if a request is a good > idea and how it should be best taken care of. The dejavu people can be > very helpful to people discovering fontforge BTW. Ok, I thought this mailing list was the best one, but thanks for the tips :) ---------- Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." ~Benjamin Franklin From cloos at jhcloos.com Thu Mar 19 21:22:25 2009 From: cloos at jhcloos.com (James Cloos) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:22:25 -0400 Subject: Changing =?iso-8859-1?q?=AB?= Preferred Family =?iso-8859-1?q?=BB?= value In-Reply-To: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> (Mathieu Bridon's message of "Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:55:13 +0100") References: <2d319b780903181355x23758975k4107e10c9dedf44e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If (given the other replies) the package is changed to edit the fonts' names, it would likely be better to use software which acts on the SFNT files directly, rather than using a font editor like fontforge, which generates new fonts. The DejaVu src uses the Font::TTF::Font Perl module to post-process fontforge's output when generating the ttf files. That module also would work well for the edit proposed by bug 490830. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 From tagoh at redhat.com Fri Mar 27 08:42:41 2009 From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:42:41 +0900 (JST) Subject: Priority list breaks the order of the font on non-native locale Message-ID: <20090327.174241.868339565786053596.tagoh@redhat.com> Hi, I'm just trying to get Bug#492510 fixed and noticed that Simple priority list in the fontconfig conf that each font packages has and the priority lists in *-non-latin.conf etc breaks the order of the fonts when running under non-native locale (in that case displaying Japanese on en_US locale). How it breaks.. well, the markup to override the language information nor overriding fallback fonts rules with PANGO_LANGUAGE doesn't work. once removing the priority lists it works again. 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How it breaks.. well, the markup to override the > language information nor overriding fallback fonts rules > with PANGO_LANGUAGE doesn't work. once removing the priority > lists it works again. > > So I'd suggest adding a font in the language-specific rules > rather than having the priority list. > > Any comments are welcome. So you are suggesting to remove *-non-latin.conf? Or did I misunderstand? -- Nicolas Mailhot From tagoh at redhat.com Fri Mar 27 09:44:59 2009 From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:44:59 +0900 (JST) Subject: Priority list breaks the order of the font on non-native locale In-Reply-To: <7aee6d069df272e433ae4aa877661f32.squirrel@arekh.dyndns.org> References: <20090327.174241.868339565786053596.tagoh@redhat.com> <7aee6d069df272e433ae4aa877661f32.squirrel@arekh.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20090327.184459.1030801336979859021.tagoh@redhat.com> >>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:49:36 +0100 (CET), >>>>> "NM" == "Nicolas Mailhot" wrote: NM> So you are suggesting to remove *-non-latin.conf? Or did I misunderstand? Plus, to remove ...... things too if they have, and ensure adding language-specific rules to add their fonts to the list instead as it described in wiki. -- Akira TAGOH -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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