From llim at redhat.com Sat Apr 3 04:01:00 2004 From: llim at redhat.com (Lawrence Lim) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 14:01:00 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] iiimf-le-xcin non-success In-Reply-To: <20040331053957.M19836@ematters.com.tw> References: <20040305034820.M65328@ematters.com.tw> <20040308005425.M92228@ematters.com.tw> <20040329063628.M1726@ematters.com.tw> <4067D073.4040008@redhat.com> <20040331053957.M19836@ematters.com.tw> Message-ID: <1080964859.2412.31.camel@dragon.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi Martin, > Are there any debug flags or environmental variables that > would help us understand what is being called? > Yes, there is a debug flag available. 1) service IIim stop OR kill all htt and htt_server processes 2) Depending where the htt executable is (could be /usr/lib/im/ or /usr/bin), manually start htt with debug flag by typing /usr/bin/htt -d You be able to see the debug message from here. Does other LE work for you? or it is just xcin that is causing the problem? Also, if you are using GNOME, did you set the GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim or if your are KDE, did you use httx? Thanks, Lawrence From sarahs at redhat.com Sun Apr 4 23:07:38 2004 From: sarahs at redhat.com (Sarah Wang) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 09:07:38 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] [Fwd: Punjabi] Message-ID: <4070953A.1000101@redhat.com> Hi, Can someone help with this query please? Thanks, Sarah -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Amanpreet Singh Alam Subject: Punjabi Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 20:31:36 +0530 Size: 2061 URL: From tagoh at redhat.com Mon Apr 5 06:33:15 2004 From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 15:33:15 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Fw: HTT IM Satus windows Message-ID: <20040405.153315.589250563.tagoh@redhat.com> Hi, Did anyone see same problem? -- Akira TAGOH -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Sponger Subject: HTT IM Satus windows Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 15:32:52 -0700 Size: 3582 URL: From petersen at redhat.com Mon Apr 5 07:31:48 2004 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 16:31:48 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Re: HTT IM Satus windows In-Reply-To: <1081117972.3409.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1081117972.3409.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >>>>> "S" == Sponger writes: S> I just installed FC2T2 [...] Ever since I first S> started it up last night, there are about 4 boxes of S> what it calls "HTT IM Status" open, and when I try S> and close them, they just pop right back up, and even S> killing them wont work either. Are you using KDE? If you install the latest xinitrc from FC2devel htt won't be used for European languages. Alternatively as root if you do /sbin/chkconfig IIim off /sbin/service IIim stop and it will stop the htt server from running which should also stop iiim from being used in new X sessions. Hth, Jens From tensberg at gmx.net Mon Apr 5 11:07:26 2004 From: tensberg at gmx.net (Michael Koch) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 13:07:26 +0200 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] ps2pdf and Japanese fonts Message-ID: <000a01c41afe$2ea90260$6d00a8c0@nirvana> Hi, I am experimenting with generating PDF files from PS which contain Japanese fonts using ps2pdf in Fedora Core 1. In the default setup, the resulting PDF file displays the Japanese characters, but the glyphs are embedded in the PDF file as bitmaps. This seems to be because VFLib is used for integrating Japanese TrueType fonts in Ghostscript, and it generates a font format for which ps2pdf does not support font outline embedding. An alternative I tried is using the CIDFnmap mechanism for integrating asian fonts in Ghostscript. It seems that the Fedora setup is already prepared for this, all I had to do was comment out the VFlib font entries in vflib/kconfig.ps and edit CIDFnmap so that the font configuration files for Japanese are included. With this setup, the glyphs are embedded in the PDF document as outlines, but unfortunately only if I use ps2pdf13. It seems that for older PDF versions, ps2pdf does not support font embedding for the generated font type and outputs a PDF document which contains garbled characters. What I would like to ask the list is if there are other configuration alternatives for font embedding in ps2pdf, and also if in future Fedora releases asian TrueType font integration should be done with the CIDFnmap mechanism instead of VFlib. Note that I have only tested with the Ghostscript demo ps file gscjk_aj.ps and PS files generated from Mozilla. I have not tested PS documents with characters from other asian languages. Michael From petersen at redhat.com Mon Apr 5 13:39:20 2004 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:39:20 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Test feedback (GIMLET) In-Reply-To: <20040331104653.6f53682b.zaitcev@redhat.com> References: <20040329114642.3ed273a4.zaitcev@redhat.com> <20040331104653.6f53682b.zaitcev@redhat.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Pete" == Pete Zaitcev writes: PZ> 4. Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and PZ> ASCII. When in ASCII, applet is invisible in the PZ> task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though. >> >> I can follow your other steps, but I'm not sure how >> to reproduce this. For me once gimlet shows the >> status for Japanese/Ascii it continues to do so >> irrespective of the focus. Pete> Perhaps I miss a font somewhere. Please refer to Pete> the attached screenshots [..]. You might notice Pete> that one of them shows an outline of the applet Pete> (empty). It only appears if mouse cursor moves Pete> into it, otherwise it completely blends into the Pete> panel. Pete> However, even if I miss a font, it's no excuse not Pete> to show something, IMHO. Maybe an asterisk or a Pete> built-in glyph of latin "A". I'd be surprised if you're missing a font for this, but what fonts do you have installed? I found a way to make the applet go blank though: closing a different window while in Japanese (kana) mode causes the applet to go blank for me. I wonder if this is related? Jens From zaitcev at redhat.com Mon Apr 5 18:21:08 2004 From: zaitcev at redhat.com (Pete Zaitcev) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:21:08 -0700 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Test feedback (GIMLET) In-Reply-To: References: <20040329114642.3ed273a4.zaitcev@redhat.com> <20040331104653.6f53682b.zaitcev@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040405112108.192e63fc.zaitcev@redhat.com> On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:39:20 +0900 Jens Petersen wrote: > Pete> Perhaps I miss a font somewhere. Please refer to > Pete> the attached screenshots [..]. You might notice > Pete> that one of them shows an outline of the applet > Pete> (empty). It only appears if mouse cursor moves > Pete> into it, otherwise it completely blends into the > Pete> panel. > I'd be surprised if you're missing a font for this, but what > fonts do you have installed? I installed everything remotely font-like, here's the list: [zaitcev at niphredil zaitcev]$ rpm -qa '*[Ff]ont*' fontconfig-2.2.1-6.1 XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-55 XFree86-syriac-fonts-4.3.0-42 ghostscript-fonts-5.50-9 chkfontpath-1.9.10-2 bitstream-vera-fonts-1.10-2 bitmap-fonts-0.3-2 fontconfig-devel-2.2.1-6.1 bitmap-fonts-cjk-0.3-2 fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi-1.0-5 fonts-ja-8.0-9 XFree86-base-fonts-4.3.0-55 XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-55 XFree86-truetype-fonts-4.3.0-55 urw-fonts-2.1-5.1 ttfonts-ja-1.2-29 fonts-KOI8-R-1.0-5 XFree86-font-utils-4.3.0-55 You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/zaitcev [zaitcev at niphredil zaitcev]$ > I found a way to make the applet go blank though: closing a > different window while in Japanese (kana) mode causes the > applet to go blank for me. I wonder if this is related? I suspect we are entering an area where a more developer-oriented feedback might be useful. I cringe every time when people follow a blackbox approach to kernel failures when a simple look at the code would explain them. The difficulty in this case is that the userland is hideously complex. I am willing to look at this in better detail, but I need a mentor. Do you know a GNOME hacker who would be willing to guide me? Thanks, -- Pete From amanlinux at netscape.net Wed Apr 7 00:18:16 2004 From: amanlinux at netscape.net (Amanpreet Singh Alam) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 05:48:16 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] How to Add Fonts & Locales Message-ID: <407348C8.3050908@netscape.net> Hello I am translating Fedora in Punjabi, New Free Fonts are created and locales are modified, But where I can Update them, so that they are added to Fedora's Next release From tagoh at redhat.com Wed Apr 7 03:34:10 2004 From: tagoh at redhat.com (Akira TAGOH) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:34:10 +0900 (JST) Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Test feedback (GIMLET) In-Reply-To: <20040405112108.192e63fc.zaitcev@redhat.com> References: <20040331104653.6f53682b.zaitcev@redhat.com> <20040405112108.192e63fc.zaitcev@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040407.123410.484248652.tagoh@redhat.com> Hi, >>>>> On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:21:08 -0700, >>>>> "PZ" == Pete Zaitcev wrote: PZ> I suspect we are entering an area where a more developer-oriented PZ> feedback might be useful. I cringe every time when people follow PZ> a blackbox approach to kernel failures when a simple look at the PZ> code would explain them. The difficulty in this case is that the PZ> userland is hideously complex. I am willing to look at this in PZ> better detail, but I need a mentor. Do you know a GNOME hacker PZ> who would be willing to guide me? BTW do you see Japanese on your box? in particular on gtk2 applications. if it's gimlet specific problem, I have no clue to fix this. otherwise you need to check if the fonts are installed properly. can you see the Kochi Gothic and the Kochi Mincho from fc-list? and does gtk2 apps show Japanese on the menu say? please try to run gtk2 apps with LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8. Regards, -- Akira TAGOH From petersen at redhat.com Wed Apr 7 13:09:22 2004 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 22:09:22 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] [proposal] to split individual IM config out of xinitrc xinput script Message-ID: In order to improve the maintainability of the xinput script in xinitrc and to make adding new Input Methods (IMs) easier in the future, Akira Tagoh and I recently came up with the idea to split all the individual IM code out of xinput and put it into separate config scriptlets that would be owned and maintained by the individual IM packages. The idea is basically to replace all the IM specific code in xinput by something like this: lang_region=$(echo $tmplang | sed -e 's/\..*//') XINPUTDIR=/etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d if [ -z "$XIM" ]; then if [ -r ${XINPUTDIR}/$(LANG) ]; then . ${XINPUTDIR}/$(LANG) elif [ -r ${XINPUTDIR}/$(lang_region) ]; then . ${XINPUTDIR}/$(lang_region) fi elif [ -r ${XINPUTDIR}/$(XIM) ]; then . ${XINPUTDIR}/$(XIM) fi where $XINPUTDIR would contain scriptlets installed with alternatives by the individual IM packages (htt, chinput, xcin, nabi, kinput2, skkinput, etc) and alternatives symlinks for each locale through /etc/alternatives to the default IM for it. For example: /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/hi_IN -> /etc/alternatives/xinput-hi_IN /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ja_JP -> /etc/alternatives/xinput-ja_JP /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ko_KO -> /etc/alternatives/xinput-ko_KO /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/zh_CN -> /etc/alternatives/xinput-zh_CN /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/zh_TW -> /etc/alternatives/xinput-zh_TW [It is not sure whether it better to support symlinks for both ll_CC.ENCODING and ll_CC separately or not. Perhaps only ll_CC or even just ll is sufficient?] and then for example there would be symlinks like /etc/alternatives/xinput-hi_IN -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/htt /etc/alternatives/xinput-ja_JP -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/kinput2-canna /etc/alternatives/xinput-ko_KO -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/nabi /etc/alternatives/xinput-zh_CN -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/htt /etc/alternatives/xinput-zh_TW -> /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/xcin [For FC the default IM would actually be htt (if installed) for all these locale, but I just put in various IMs here to illustrate.] See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119785 for more details and comments. Unfortunately it is getting a bit late now for FC2, so this idea may have to wait for FC3. The only weakness of this compared to the current xinput setup that I can think of is that it doesn't allow for any fallbacks: eg if htt is running use it otherwise use kinput2 with Canna say instead. But in practice people don't usually switch IM all the time, and the flexibility gained outweighs this small loss. Also users can still easily override the IM configuration by setting XIM (and optionally also XIM_PROG and XIM_ARGS) in their ~/.i18n" file or system-wide in "/etc/i18n". Comments and feedback on the scheme and design are most welcome. Cheers, Jens From llch at redhat.com Thu Apr 8 00:02:42 2004 From: llch at redhat.com (Leon Ho) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:02:42 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] How to Add Fonts & Locales In-Reply-To: <407348C8.3050908@netscape.net> References: <407348C8.3050908@netscape.net> Message-ID: <1081382562.4009.7.camel@dhcp-101.brisbane.redhat.com> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 10:18, Amanpreet Singh Alam wrote: > Hello > > I am translating Fedora in Punjabi, > > New Free Fonts are created and locales are modified, > > But where I can Update them, so that they are added to Fedora's Next release Hello, welcome! - For locale you can submit a enhancement bug to glibc on bugzilla. - For fonts, please submit the info (license, url etc) to fedora-devel and cc this mailing list. This process will be more complex as it need to be evaluated more. Regards, Leon From amanlinux at netscape.net Thu Apr 8 00:47:50 2004 From: amanlinux at netscape.net (Amanpreet Singh Alam) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 06:17:50 +0530 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] How to Add Punjabi Fonts & Locales In-Reply-To: <1081382562.4009.7.camel@dhcp-101.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <407348C8.3050908@netscape.net> <1081382562.4009.7.camel@dhcp-101.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4074A136.9030402@netscape.net> Punjabi Fonts are True Type and License is GPL as fonts are update of FreeSerif fonts only (copyright by Free Software Found.) All Gurmukhi (Punjabi script) character are make ASAlam llch at redhat.com wrote: >On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 10:18, Amanpreet Singh Alam wrote: > > >>Hello >> >>I am translating Fedora in Punjabi, >> >>New Free Fonts are created and locales are modified, >> >>But where I can Update them, so that they are added to Fedora's Next release >> >> > >Hello, welcome! > >- For locale you can submit a enhancement bug to glibc on bugzilla. >- For fonts, please submit the info (license, url etc) to fedora-devel >and cc this mailing list. This process will be more complex as it need >to be evaluated more. > >Regards, >Leon > > >-- >Fedora-i18n-list mailing list >Fedora-i18n-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hsum at ematters.com.tw Mon Apr 12 07:51:45 2004 From: hsum at ematters.com.tw (Martin J. Hsu) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:51:45 +0800 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] iiimf-le-xcin non-success In-Reply-To: <1080964859.2412.31.camel@dragon.brisbane.redhat.com> References: <20040305034820.M65328@ematters.com.tw> <20040308005425.M92228@ematters.com.tw> <20040329063628.M1726@ematters.com.tw> <4067D073.4040008@redhat.com> <20040331053957.M19836@ematters.com.tw> <1080964859.2412.31.camel@dragon.brisbane.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040412064732.M82296@ematters.com.tw> Hi Lawrence, I tried this shortly after I got your message and more extensively today. >Yes, there is a debug flag available. > >1) service IIim stop OR kill all htt and htt_server processes >2) Depending where the htt executable is (could be /usr/lib/im/ or >/usr/bin), manually start htt with debug flag by typing > /usr/bin/htt -d > >You be able to see the debug message from here. /usr/lib/im/htt -d created this process: htt_server -nodaemon -d However, nothing came up in at terminal or in /var/log/messages The gedit test still didn't yield any input. I ran: LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim gedit I'm using Gnome on FC1. I haven't tried anything other than xcin. Unfortunately, my time has been a bit limited lately. Maybe FC2 test2 IIimf works out of the box? > >Does other LE work for you? or it is just xcin that is causing the >problem? Also, if you are using GNOME, did you set the >GTK_IM_MODULE=iiim or if your are KDE, did you use httx? > > >Thanks, >Lawrence -- Martin J. Hsu hsum(at)ematters.com.tw From petersen at redhat.com Wed Apr 14 07:13:48 2004 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:13:48 +0900 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] LANG=C for CJK locale on virtual consoles? Message-ID: Hi, Whenever I use a virtual console (tty) I'm annoyed by the white boxes that appear instead of Japanese text from error messages or output, before remembering to set LANG=C. Therefore I would like to propose falling back to LANG=C in interactive shells for languages with no font on the virtual console (vt) for FC3. Does this make sense? I can't think of anything that would break off hand, but would appreciate any comments or input for this. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=120819 Jens From notting at redhat.com Wed Apr 14 18:54:30 2004 From: notting at redhat.com (Bill Nottingham) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:54:30 -0400 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] Re: LANG=C for CJK locale on virtual consoles? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040414185430.GA7970@nostromo.devel.redhat.com> Jens Petersen (petersen at redhat.com) said: > Whenever I use a virtual console (tty) I'm annoyed by the > white boxes that appear instead of Japanese text from error > messages or output, before remembering to set LANG=C. > > Therefore I would like to propose falling back to LANG=C in > interactive shells for languages with no font on the virtual > console (vt) for FC3. Get a better virtual console! :) Bill From llch at redhat.com Mon Apr 19 01:09:28 2004 From: llch at redhat.com (Leon Ho) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 11:09:28 +1000 Subject: [Fedora-i18n-list] iiimf-xcin v0.1.5 released Message-ID: <1082336968.1358.37.camel@windcloud.brisbane.redhat.com> Hi all, I am please to announce that iiimf-xcin v0.1.5 is released! This version includes: - Nine input methods 1 CangJie 2 Simplex 3 Phone 4 PinYin 5 NoTonePinYin 6 Cantonese PinYin 7 Array 8 EZ 9 Telecode - You can also use Ctrl-Shift to cycle through the input methods - Use keyname instead of normal letters in preedit area - more user friendly - Some crashing and minor bugs. You can download the latest package for Fedora Core and tar ball from: http://people.redhat.com/llch/iiimf-xcin/ CVS are at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tciiimf/ Cheers, Leon