From natxo.asenjo at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 21:15:57 2008 From: natxo.asenjo at gmail.com (Natxo Asenjo) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:15:57 +0100 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 Message-ID: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> hi, since fedora8 I have an awkward problem. In an xterm or console session all diacritic characters appear like this: http://www.asenjo.nl/Screenshot-xterm.png that is, they are replaced by blanks. In other applications like openoffice this is not a problem. it is awkward because I am used to using console programs like mutt for my email, so this is something that I come across really often. System settings: language is English; the output of locale is: LC_CTYPE="en_US" LC_NUMERIC="en_US" LC_TIME="en_US" LC_COLLATE="en_US" LC_MONETARY="en_US" LC_MESSAGES="en_US" LC_PAPER="en_US" LC_NAME="en_US" LC_ADDRESS="en_US" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" LC_ALL= I have changed the system locale to Spanish (Spain) but it does not help (I rebooted the system for the changes to take place). Does anybody know where I could fix this? This has worked perfectly in fedora6 and fedora7, so I am a bit puzzled. -- Groeten, J.Asenjo From petersen at redhat.com Mon Jan 21 00:32:30 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:32:30 +1000 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> Hi Natxo Asenjo, > since fedora8 I have an awkward problem. In an xterm or console > session all diacritic characters appear like this: > http://www.asenjo.nl/Screenshot-xterm.png > that is, they are replaced by blanks. In other applications like > openoffice this is not a problem. Sorry the screenshot doesn't help me much since I can't read Spanish - so I am not sure where the blanks are appearing... > it is awkward because I am used to using console programs like mutt > for my email, so this is something that I come across really often. > LC_CTYPE="en_US" > LC_NUMERIC="en_US" > LC_TIME="en_US" > LC_COLLATE="en_US" > LC_MONETARY="en_US" > LC_MESSAGES="en_US" > LC_PAPER="en_US" > LC_NAME="en_US" > LC_ADDRESS="en_US" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" Are you intentionally not using UTF-8? > I have changed the system locale to Spanish (Spain) but it does not > help (I rebooted the system for the changes to take place). Ok. > Does anybody know where I could fix this? This has worked perfectly in > fedora6 and fedora7, so I am a bit puzzled. So is it just a display problem in terms? Jens From natxo.asenjo at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 05:53:19 2008 From: natxo.asenjo at gmail.com (Natxo Asenjo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 06:53:19 +0100 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> Message-ID: <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 21, 2008 1:32 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: > Hi Natxo Asenjo, > > > since fedora8 I have an awkward problem. In an xterm or console > > session all diacritic characters appear like this: > > http://www.asenjo.nl/Screenshot-xterm.png > > that is, they are replaced by blanks. In other applications like > > openoffice this is not a problem. > > Sorry the screenshot doesn't help me much since I can't read Spanish - > so I am not sure where the blanks are appearing... ok, fair enough: I try to see words like (now I copy paste from openoffice): I?aki, espa?ol, cami?n and what I see is: I aki, espa ol, cami n > > it is awkward because I am used to using console programs like mutt > > for my email, so this is something that I come across really often. > > > LC_CTYPE="en_US" > > LC_NUMERIC="en_US" > > LC_TIME="en_US" > > LC_COLLATE="en_US" > > LC_MONETARY="en_US" > > LC_MESSAGES="en_US" > > LC_PAPER="en_US" > > LC_NAME="en_US" > > LC_ADDRESS="en_US" > > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" > > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" > > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" > > Are you intentionally not using UTF-8? not that I know of. I use the tool in system->administration-> language and choose English (USA); I do not see English utf-8 in there to change the locale; could you tell me where I can do that? > > I have changed the system locale to Spanish (Spain) but it does not > > help (I rebooted the system for the changes to take place). > > Ok. > > > Does anybody know where I could fix this? This has worked perfectly in > > fedora6 and fedora7, so I am a bit puzzled. > > So is it just a display problem in terms? yes, it is just a display problem in terminals (but an annoying one for me ;-) ). -- Groeten, J.Asenjo From natxo.asenjo at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 18:52:35 2008 From: natxo.asenjo at gmail.com (Natxo Asenjo) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:52:35 +0100 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <90f6e8270801211052w1960a918g72034d0fdce76bb8@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/21 Natxo Asenjo : > On Jan 21, 2008 1:32 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: I noticed something else. This is the output of $ locale: > > > LC_CTYPE="en_US" > > > LC_NUMERIC="en_US" > > > LC_TIME="en_US" > > > LC_COLLATE="en_US" > > > LC_MONETARY="en_US" > > > LC_MESSAGES="en_US" > > > LC_PAPER="en_US" > > > LC_NAME="en_US" > > > LC_ADDRESS="en_US" > > > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" > > > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" > > > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" and this of # locale (as root): LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" LC_ALL= > > Are you intentionally not using UTF-8? no! if I look in /etc/sysconfig/i18n this is what I see: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" any more ideas? I really do not understand it. This is so ... nineties. -- Groeten, J.Asenjo From naranhuu at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 00:42:03 2008 From: naranhuu at gmail.com (naranhuu uridiinbish) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:42:03 +0900 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801211052w1960a918g72034d0fdce76bb8@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> <90f6e8270801211052w1960a918g72034d0fdce76bb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi > LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_ALL= I don't know so much about it, but why "LC_ALL= " is blank? I suggest you fill it some value. I use japanese in my fedora8 and it works fine . My locale is like this : (root's locale ) LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_NUMERIC="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_TIME="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_COLLATE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MONETARY="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MESSAGES="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_PAPER="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_NAME="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_ADDRESS="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_TELEPHONE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MEASUREMENT="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_IDENTIFICATION="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_ALL=ja_JP.eucJP (my locale) LANG=ja_JP.eucJP LC_CTYPE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_NUMERIC="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_TIME="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_COLLATE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MONETARY="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MESSAGES="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_PAPER="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_NAME="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_ADDRESS="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_TELEPHONE="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_MEASUREMENT="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_IDENTIFICATION="ja_JP.eucJP" LC_ALL=ja_JP.eucJP On Jan 22, 2008 3:52 AM, Natxo Asenjo wrote: > 2008/1/21 Natxo Asenjo : > > On Jan 21, 2008 1:32 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: > > I noticed something else. This is the output of $ locale: > > > > > LC_CTYPE="en_US" > > > > LC_NUMERIC="en_US" > > > > LC_TIME="en_US" > > > > LC_COLLATE="en_US" > > > > LC_MONETARY="en_US" > > > > LC_MESSAGES="en_US" > > > > LC_PAPER="en_US" > > > > LC_NAME="en_US" > > > > LC_ADDRESS="en_US" > > > > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" > > > > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" > > > > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" > > and this of # locale (as root): > LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_PAPER="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_NAME="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_ADDRESS="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US.UTF-8" > LC_ALL= > > > > > Are you intentionally not using UTF-8? > > no! if I look in /etc/sysconfig/i18n this is what I see: > > LANG="en_US.UTF-8" > SYSFONT="latarcyrheb-sun16" > > any more ideas? I really do not understand it. This is so ... nineties. > > -- > Groeten, > J.Asenjo > > -- > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list > Fedora-i18n-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list > From petersen at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 01:26:51 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:26:51 +1000 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4795465B.6020709@redhat.com> Hi Natxo Asenjo, >>> it is awkward because I am used to using console programs like mutt >>> for my email, so this is something that I come across really often. >>> LC_CTYPE="en_US" >>> LC_NUMERIC="en_US" >>> LC_TIME="en_US" >>> LC_COLLATE="en_US" >>> LC_MONETARY="en_US" >>> LC_MESSAGES="en_US" >>> LC_PAPER="en_US" >>> LC_NAME="en_US" >>> LC_ADDRESS="en_US" >>> LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" >>> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" >>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" >> Are you intentionally not using UTF-8? > > not that I know of. Sounds like you are somehow overriding the locale in your user configuration. Perhaps you have a ~/.i18n file or set locale in your shell or desktop startup files? > I use the tool in system->administration-> > language and choose English (USA); That just sets the system locale, which seems to be ok from what you say. Jens From asgeirf at redhat.com Tue Jan 22 05:22:52 2008 From: asgeirf at redhat.com (Asgeir Frimannsson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:22:52 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Asgeir Frimannsson Message-ID: <200801221522.52393.asgeirf@redhat.com> Hi all, I've been in the background on these lists for years, but just recently signed up as a Fedora contributor. As recommended, here is my humble introduction: I'm Asgeir Frimannsson, I live in Brisbane, Australia.. I am however not very Aussie: I'm half Icelandic, half Norwegian, spent many of my childhood years in Kenya, and now married to a lovely Malaysian-Chinese girl. (That should cover the i18n/l10n aspects of my life) For the last two years I've been persuing my PhD at Queensland University of Technology (QUT), where my research mainly concerns translation reuse. I am also working part-time as a software engineer at Red Hat. I am probably a horrid translator, but I hope to help out in other areas such as improving the translation infrastructure and tools. cheers, asgeir http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AsgeirFrimannsson # GPG KEYID and fingerprint pub 1024D/9CC8C5BD 2008-01-17 [expires: 2011-01-16] Key fingerprint = 0583 40D9 9054 7480 A0E6 C525 3B41 10A3 9CC8 C5BD uid Asgeir Frimannsson sub 2048g/15FF352C 2008-01-17 [expires: 2011-01-16] From petersen at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 00:55:50 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:55:50 +1000 Subject: Self-Introduction: Asgeir Frimannsson In-Reply-To: <200801221522.52393.asgeirf@redhat.com> References: <200801221522.52393.asgeirf@redhat.com> Message-ID: <47969096.2030607@redhat.com> Hi Asgeir! > I've been in the background on these lists for years, but just recently signed > up as a Fedora contributor. Warm welcome to Fedora and the fedora-i18n project. Jens From natxo.asenjo at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:31:40 2008 From: natxo.asenjo at gmail.com (Natxo Asenjo) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:31:40 +0100 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <4795465B.6020709@redhat.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> <4795465B.6020709@redhat.com> Message-ID: <90f6e8270801231331s55eab66eh436bc22aa489c20f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 2:26 AM, Jens Petersen wrote: > Sounds like you are somehow overriding the locale in your user > configuration. Perhaps you have a ~/.i18n file or set locale in your > shell or desktop startup files? no, nothing in my .bash* over locale; how does a .i18n file look like? I do not seem anything to find on the web regarding that and a man search (apropos i18n) returns only information about perl modules in my system. -- Groeten, J.Asenjo From petersen at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 23:34:45 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:34:45 +1000 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801231331s55eab66eh436bc22aa489c20f@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> <4795465B.6020709@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801231331s55eab66eh436bc22aa489c20f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4797CF15.2090005@redhat.com> > how does a .i18n file look like? It is just a regular shell script like "/etc/sysconf/i18n", which is sourced by shells if it exists in "/etc/profile.d/lang.sh". Perhaps reading through lang.sh might give you some more clues of where to look. Jens From petersen at redhat.com Wed Jan 23 23:36:11 2008 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:36:11 +1000 Subject: problems with diacritic characters in fedora8 In-Reply-To: <90f6e8270801231331s55eab66eh436bc22aa489c20f@mail.gmail.com> References: <90f6e8270801201315j414d480by6f8998663b64c3ce@mail.gmail.com> <4793E81E.2020905@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801202153w40cb846o716a6ccb4ef54ce6@mail.gmail.com> <4795465B.6020709@redhat.com> <90f6e8270801231331s55eab66eh436bc22aa489c20f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4797CF6B.30207@redhat.com> Anyway maybe more important to you is making sure that setting the correct locale in your terminal fixes the character problem you're seeing. Jens