From jlaska at redhat.com Tue May 12 16:37:05 2009 From: jlaska at redhat.com (James Laska) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:37:05 -0400 Subject: 2009-05-14 - Fedora Test Day - IBus input method Message-ID: <1242146225.2646.112.camel@flatline.devel.redhat.com> Greetings folks, You may have already seen the announcement on fedora-{test,devel}-list (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00444.html). In case you missed it, I'd like to invite you to join #fedora-qa this Thursday, May 14, 2009 to help test the iBus input method. More details available on the wiki at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-05-14_iBus. Hope to see you there! Thanks, James -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want to send "Telephone Number" and "Postal Address" only for editing fedora wiki, so I post this mail to fedora-i18n-ml. :-) [fedora's anthy package] (This is not a bug of ibus.) Tagoh-san added extra dictionaries to anthy, but he removed some special numbers. Mandriva: anthy-mandriva.png (see the attached files) Fedora: anthy-fedora.png I think some users need them. Regards, Hirosi -------------------------------------- Power up the Internet with Yahoo! Toolbar. http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/toolbar/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: anthy-mandriva.png Type: image/png Size: 4661 bytes Desc: 1766503711-anthy-mandriva.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does it add anything that is not already present in > > MC> the status icon ? > > > > Yes, it does. and it's supposed to provide similar feature > > in SCIM and IMs where is running at Windows say. which > > provides facilities to change various conditions such as the > > input-mode, style etc. > > Ok. Would it not be better to provide this functionality through the > status icon as well ? Having two places related to im control (...) > seems suboptimal. And the naked toolbar looks really quite foreign to > anybody who hasn't had years of conditioning by other im frameworks... I tend to agree - I would not mind taking this discussion to bz. Old habits are hard to die/kill though... Perhaps we should turn off the toolbar by default? I think that the functionality of the toolbar should be duplicated in the panel icon menus anyway for users that turn off the toolbar. Jens From ankit at redhat.com Thu May 28 06:53:41 2009 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:23:41 +0530 Subject: Clarification on the terminology for input... Message-ID: <4A1E34F5.7010505@redhat.com> Hi, I am bit confused on the terminology being used to communicate input system or method or engines or keyboard maps or keyboard layouts. I think, there are many others who has different set of terminologies for input related things. 1. What do you call iBus, or SCIM or IIIMF? A) Input Method B) Input System C) Input Engine D) Input Method Engine E) or something else 2. What do you call im-chooser? A) no idea what could it be called 3. What do you call Phonetic, Inscript, iTrans, Anthy, etc? A) Keyboard Map B) Keyboard Layout C) or something else I have above queries, because recently I have noticed that Inscript, iTrans, kind of keymaps being addressed by the word "Input Method". That has made my (and many others') iBus test results being understood in a different way than I wanted to. If we can standardize these terminologies first and document it somewhere on the fedora i18n pages, there would be ease of communication while discussing the i18n input issues. Thanks! -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ From petersen at redhat.com Fri May 29 06:26:03 2009 From: petersen at redhat.com (Jens Petersen) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 02:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Clarification on the terminology for input... In-Reply-To: <1601712215.1831021243577181402.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <367599663.1832211243578363819.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> > 1. What do you call iBus, or SCIM or IIIMF? > A) Input Method > B) Input System > C) Input Engine > D) Input Method Engine > E) or something else I guess I call it an input method system. > 2. What do you call im-chooser? Well I think it is an input method configuration tool. > 3. What do you call Phonetic, Inscript, iTrans, Anthy, etc? > A) Keyboard Map > B) Keyboard Layout > C) or something else Well for the Indic maps I would call them input maps (for the m17n engine). Anthy is an input method engine (IME). > If we can standardize these > terminologies first and document it somewhere on the fedora i18n > pages, > there would be ease of communication while discussing the i18n input > issues. Yes it would be good to document on the wiki. I added some initial text on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#Terminology Maybe others can review and offer comments and clarification. Thanks for your questions. Jens From ankit at redhat.com Fri May 29 07:43:17 2009 From: ankit at redhat.com (Ankitkumar Rameshchandra Patel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:13:17 +0530 Subject: Clarification on the terminology for input... In-Reply-To: <367599663.1832211243578363819.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> References: <367599663.1832211243578363819.JavaMail.root@zmail02.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com> Message-ID: <4A1F9215.1070909@redhat.com> Jens Petersen wrote: >> 1. What do you call iBus, or SCIM or IIIMF? >> A) Input Method >> B) Input System >> C) Input Engine >> D) Input Method Engine >> E) or something else >> > > I guess I call it an input method system. > > >> 2. What do you call im-chooser? >> > > Well I think it is an input method configuration tool. > > >> 3. What do you call Phonetic, Inscript, iTrans, Anthy, etc? >> A) Keyboard Map >> B) Keyboard Layout >> C) or something else >> > > Well for the Indic maps I would call them input maps (for the m17n engine). > Anthy is an input method engine (IME). > > >> If we can standardize these >> terminologies first and document it somewhere on the fedora i18n >> pages, >> there would be ease of communication while discussing the i18n input >> issues. >> > > Yes it would be good to document on the wiki. > > I added some initial text on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/InputMethods#Terminology > Maybe others can review and offer comments and clarification. > > Thanks for your questions. > > Thanks for clarifying my queries and documenting the Input Method Terminology on the wiki. I have edited and modified some bits there. Please have a look at them. One thing is not yet very much clear to me yet is, difference between "Input Method Map" and "Input Method Table". Could you please try to explain it a bit more in detail. Thanks again Jens! :) > Jens > -- Regards, Ankit Patel http://www.indianoss.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: