From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 2 09:24:34 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 14:54:34 +0530 Subject: Free Media: deeper nexus between ambassadors & mirror admins In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0804292304u12900e31w293e4e3591197f90@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0804292304u12900e31w293e4e3591197f90@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <481ADDD2.2070908@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > We can have an arrangement where after every stable release the > mirrors admins send snapshots of their mirrors to some "select" > ambassadors. These ambassadors can then re-distribute the content > further down the tree. Rahul was discussing this thing the other day and your suggestion optimizes one aspect of the availability of OS bits. The other end that needs focus is getting the bits from the Ambassadors / participants in FreeMedia program to the requestors / users. I am putting Siddharth in cc: to ensure that he puts in his thoughts on this action as well -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From siddharth at techbugs.org Fri May 2 09:49:21 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (siddharth at techbugs.org) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:19:21 +0530 Subject: Free Media: deeper nexus between ambassadors & mirror admins In-Reply-To: <481ADDD2.2070908@gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0804292304u12900e31w293e4e3591197f90@mail.gmail.com> <481ADDD2.2070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Friends, I guess we are going in the right direction in organizing Ambassadors, but a lot of work is still needed. I dont think as of today most of Ambassadors even in the same city are in regular contact... we need to improve this situation... timely meetings and communication are the first step in this action plan. As we get more aware of the group easier it gets to act on different Ideas. Regards Siddharth On 5/2/08, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > We can have an arrangement where after every stable release the > > mirrors admins send snapshots of their mirrors to some "select" > > ambassadors. These ambassadors can then re-distribute the content > > further down the tree. > > Rahul was discussing this thing the other day and your suggestion > optimizes one aspect of the availability of OS bits. The other end that > needs focus is getting the bits from the Ambassadors / participants in > FreeMedia program to the requestors / users. > > I am putting Siddharth in cc: to ensure that he puts in his thoughts on > this action as well > > > > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > > From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Sat May 3 10:27:08 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 15:57:08 +0530 Subject: Free Media: deeper nexus between ambassadors & mirror admins In-Reply-To: References: <3170f42f0804292304u12900e31w293e4e3591197f90@mail.gmail.com> <481ADDD2.2070908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481C3DFC.5050002@gmail.com> siddharth at techbugs.org wrote: > I guess we are going in the right direction in organizing Ambassadors, > but a lot of work is still needed. I dont think as of today most of > Ambassadors even in the same city are in regular contact... we need to > improve this situation... timely meetings and communication are the > first step in this action plan. Agreed. And it would be a good idea if the Ambassadors out of Pune could fix up a date to meet at the RHAT offices. At some point in time during the year, we hope to set in place an event by which Ambassadors across India can meet up. It is early days for this yet and let's see how this turns out. > As we get more aware of the group easier it gets to act on different Ideas. The general idea is to ensure that at any event that happens, there is someone who talks / demonstrates something about Fedora. Getting that kind of momentum going demands more far reaching efforts than we are currently undertaking. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From siddharth at techbugs.org Sun May 4 09:40:07 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 15:10:07 +0530 Subject: FreeMedia India (May) Message-ID: Hi Friends Status as of now... We have 30 Pending requests for this month if you can take up 3-5 requests please accept from the pool Kolkata,Chennai,Hyderabad,Bangalore requests are directed to the Local Ambassadors, If you find some request in your locality please consider taking them up. Regards Siddharth From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 9 09:40:41 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:10:41 +0530 Subject: Interviewing community projects Message-ID: <48241C19.6090605@fedoraproject.org> Hi, The abiword interview got published at http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/08/abiword-team-interview/ I am now looking for ideas on other community projects that I can get in touch with to do a interview. If you are a developer of any software that is included within Fedora or know people interested in doing this, let me know Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From sabarirjpm at gmail.com Sun May 11 13:20:08 2008 From: sabarirjpm at gmail.com (Sabarigirisan S) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:50:08 +0530 Subject: Problem in Booting Message-ID: I have installed Fedora 8 in my PC. I have been using it for the past two months. Now there seems to be a problem in booting. While it is booting I get the message Module signature verification failes insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko':-1 Key was rejected by service Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 2 logical volume(s) in volume group "VolGroup00" now active mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: No such device setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file or directory setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory switchroot: mount failed: No such file or directory Please help Thanks & Regards Girish -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgpatel at gmail.com Mon May 12 05:45:19 2008 From: mgpatel at gmail.com (Mehul Patel) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:15:19 +0530 Subject: Problem in Booting Message-ID: Hi Girish, Your ext3 driver file is corrupted. You can use the rescue mode of the Fedroa 8 DVD. Replace the /lib/ext3.ko to /mnt/sysimage/lib/ext3.ko. restarting PC should resolve this issue. Thanks Mehul On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-india mailing list submissions to > fedora-india at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-india-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-india-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-india digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Problem in Booting (Sabarigirisan S) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:50:08 +0530 > From: "Sabarigirisan S" > Subject: Problem in Booting > To: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have installed Fedora 8 in my PC. I have been using it for the past two > months. Now there seems to be a problem in booting. > > While it is booting I get the message > > Module signature verification failes > insmod: error inserting '/lib/ext3.ko':-1 Key was rejected by service > Reading all physical volumes. This may take a while... > Found volume group "VolGroup00" using metadata type lvm2 > 2 logical volume(s) in volume group "VolGroup00" now active > mount: error mounting /dev/root on /sysroot as ext3: No such device > setuproot: moving /dev failed: No such file or directory > setuproot: error mounting /proc: No such file or directory > setuproot: error mounting /sys: No such file or directory > switchroot: mount failed: No such file or directory > > > > Please help > > Thanks & Regards > Girish > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/attachments/20080511/607ef8e5/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > > End of Fedora-india Digest, Vol 9, Issue 6 > ****************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 17:53:21 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:23:21 +0530 Subject: Fedora IITM Mirror Message-ID: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> Hi, IIT Madras/Chennai mirror is now on the Fedora mirror list. They already have Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 and should pick up Fedora 9 soon. IIT Mumbai said something about policy issues and have not signed up yet. I am going to continue following up now and then. Again, if you can help by signing up or getting anyone else to sign up as a mirror, please do that. Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Wed May 14 17:55:37 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 23:25:37 +0530 Subject: Fedora IITM Mirror In-Reply-To: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> References: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: > > IIT Madras/Chennai mirror is now on the Fedora mirror list. They already > have Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 and should pick up Fedora 9 soon. IIT Mumbai said > something about policy issues and have not signed up yet. I am going to > continue following up now and then. Again, if you can help by signing up or > getting anyone else to sign up as a mirror, please do that. WOW!! Great news.. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Wed May 14 19:14:50 2008 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:44:50 +0530 Subject: Fedora IITM Mirror In-Reply-To: References: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <539333cb0805141214j39e08442yd302b4b80fdb1eed@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:25 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> >> IIT Madras/Chennai mirror is now on the Fedora mirror list. They already >> have Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 and should pick up Fedora 9 soon. IIT Mumbai said >> something about policy issues and have not signed up yet. I am going to >> continue following up now and then. Again, if you can help by signing up or >> getting anyone else to sign up as a mirror, please do that. > > > WOW!! Great news.. > Congrats ..more the merrier ! > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From kishore at pobox.com Wed May 14 19:59:53 2008 From: kishore at pobox.com (Kishore Bhargava) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 01:29:53 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 anyone?? Message-ID: <482B44B9.2040200@pobox.com> Phew! it finally came in, took its wn sweet time, but I now have the i386 DVD of Fedora 9. I'm based in Gurgaon, anyone who wants a copy please let me know. Cheers...Kishore -- Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow. From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 15 01:56:37 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:26:37 +0530 Subject: Fedora IITM Mirror In-Reply-To: <539333cb0805141214j39e08442yd302b4b80fdb1eed@mail.gmail.com> References: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> <539333cb0805141214j39e08442yd302b4b80fdb1eed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: iitm mirror is not showing on the list... http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-8&arch=i386&country=IN One thing I can see from the mirrormanager, is that they have categorised themselves as "fedora core" though they should do as "fedora linux" as they carry F7, F8, F9. Probably this is why they are not listed. Also they are not running report_mirror till now. Rahul can you please update the admin? -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Thu May 15 02:09:17 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 07:39:17 +0530 Subject: Fedora IITM Mirror In-Reply-To: References: <482B2711.8060501@fedoraproject.org> <539333cb0805141214j39e08442yd302b4b80fdb1eed@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <482B9B4D.6020403@fedoraproject.org> susmit shannigrahi wrote: > iitm mirror is not showing on the list... > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-8&arch=i386&country=IN > > One thing I can see from the mirrormanager, is that > they have categorised themselves as "fedora core" though they > should do as "fedora linux" as they carry F7, F8, F9. > Probably this is why they are not listed. > > Also they are not running report_mirror till now. > Rahul can you please update the admin? Matt Domsch added the mirror list. CC'ed. Feel free to contact directly in the future. Rahul From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu May 15 07:50:28 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 13:20:28 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: [ilugd] Workshops at local colleges] Message-ID: <482BEB44.4010205@gmail.com> Anyone in DEL who can hook up with this effort and thus also provide a Fedora presence ? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ilugd] Workshops at local colleges Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:53:42 +0530 From: Gora Mohanty Reply-To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list Organization: Sarai, CSDS To: ILUGD main list Hi, The Computer Society of India (CSI), Ghaziabad Chapter, is interested in organising lectures, and workshops aimed largely at students in local colleges. The first such event is planned to be a one-day workshop on the 7th of June, at the Indraprastha Engineering College in Ghaziabad. More details on this after I meet with them this Fri. As we have had such events in the past, and some of them, such as the one in RKGIT, Ghaziabd, have been very successful in attracting students to participate in ILUG-D activities, I think that we should encourage them more than we have been doing. Towards this end, I have prepared a list of potential topics for a workshop at http://wiki.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/twiki/Main/CollegeExpo Please feel free to edit it. The idea is to come up with a list of topics, along with a plan of what to cover, and how much time it would take. For example, I have done this for the topics on Indian language computing. Then, for any particular workshop, we can mix and match topics according to local interest. Hopefully, this will allow us to do such workshops in a systematic way. Regards, Gora -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon May 19 07:27:36 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:57:36 +0530 Subject: Mirror fun aka insights requested Message-ID: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> Ok, so something seems to be not working here. The list at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/i386/ lists IIT-M and NITH Yet, I don't seem to be falling back on IIT-M if NITH times out, I land up with some .jp servers. For F9 What gives ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon May 19 08:37:13 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:07:13 +0530 Subject: Mirror fun aka insights requested In-Reply-To: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> References: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Ok, so something seems to be not working here. > > The list at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/i386/ lists > IIT-M and NITH > > Yet, I don't seem to be falling back on IIT-M if NITH times out, I land up > with some .jp servers. _From fedora-infrastructure _ Mirrormanager works like this: [quote] Right now, it collects various lists of Hosts to return (same netblock, same country, same continent, global). It shuffles (python random.shufle()) each of the lists, then concatenates them, and sends that result to the end user. However, this does not take into account that one mirror has a 45Mbps link, and another a 2Mbps; they would each get chosen "randomly". What I need is a replacement for random.shuffle() that takes a list of tuples: (something, weight). And returns a list of somethings that was generated with a statistical sampling based on weight. [/quote] -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From radiosilk at gmail.com Mon May 19 08:44:33 2008 From: radiosilk at gmail.com (Vaibhav) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:14:33 +0530 Subject: great response Message-ID: <8c9666c10805190144l45b0af73g83591f08c4d22391@mail.gmail.com> Hey! I am using a mailing list for the first time in my life!! Cheers, Vaibhav >> >Puts one lesson in the foreground - using a list to ask for help (and >such) does away with scattered messaging and get's things done :) >Good to know that your issue is on the way to resolution >~sankarshan >> -- "Once the game is over, the Kings and the pawns go back into the same box." <<>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon May 19 08:50:49 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:20:49 +0530 Subject: Fedora 9 i386 iso in Bangalore Message-ID: <200805191420.49385.kushaldas@gmail.com> Hi, If anyone wants that can contact me :) Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From subhodip at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 09:00:11 2008 From: subhodip at fedoraproject.org (subhodip biswas) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:30:11 +0530 Subject: F9 in durgapur Message-ID: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> if any body needs F9 i386 in Durgapur ..feel free to ping me -- Regards Subhodip Biswas GPG key : FAEA34AB Server : pgp.mit.edu http://subhodipbiswas.wordpress.com http:/www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SubhodipBiswas From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon May 19 09:03:37 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:33:37 +0530 Subject: F9 in durgapur In-Reply-To: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 2:30 PM, subhodip biswas wrote: > if any body needs F9 i386 in Durgapur ..feel free to ping me > > -- Why don't you join fedora-freemedia? I think we need to create a page with local contacts for one per city... -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon May 19 09:05:57 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:35:57 +0530 Subject: F9 in durgapur In-Reply-To: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200805191435.57326.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Monday 19 May 2008 02:30:11 pm subhodip biswas wrote: > if any body needs F9 i386 in Durgapur ..feel free to ping me I think dgplug's mailing list is a better place to inform Durgapur people. Please send a mail there. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon May 19 09:15:15 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:45:15 +0530 Subject: Mirror fun aka insights requested In-Reply-To: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> References: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48314523.1000502@fedoraproject.org> Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Ok, so something seems to be not working here. > > The list at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/i386/ > lists IIT-M and NITH > > Yet, I don't seem to be falling back on IIT-M if NITH times out, I land > up with some .jp servers. > > For F9 > > What gives ? IIT-M has only Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 content at this point. Haven't checked the other mirrors. Rahul From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon May 19 09:29:33 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:59:33 +0530 Subject: F9 in durgapur In-Reply-To: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4831487D.7040805@gmail.com> Kishore Bhargava wrote: > Phew! it finally came in, took its wn sweet time, but I now have the > i386 DVD of Fedora 9. I'm based in Gurgaon, anyone who wants a copy > please let me know. Kushal Das wrote: > Hi, > If anyone wants that can contact me :) > subhodip biswas wrote: > if any body needs F9 i386 in Durgapur ..feel free to ping me Good to hear. Can either of you do up a wiki page linking from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India and talking about who the GoTo person is for F9 in your local region ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon May 19 09:33:34 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:03:34 +0530 Subject: F9 in durgapur In-Reply-To: <4831487D.7040805@gmail.com> References: <539333cb0805190200q6e256f1apc19fbf02d6dfb4f1@mail.gmail.com> <4831487D.7040805@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Good to hear. Can either of you do up a wiki page linking from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India and talking about who the > GoTo person is for F9 in your local region ? /me already doing it... Will be available by tomorrow. :) > -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Mon May 19 09:41:36 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 15:11:36 +0530 Subject: Mirror fun aka insights requested In-Reply-To: <48314523.1000502@fedoraproject.org> References: <48312BE8.6020504@gmail.com> <48314523.1000502@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805190241u7cafbcd2i2ce4f3251878d33b@mail.gmail.com> >> The list at http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/9/i386/ >> lists IIT-M and NITH >> >> Yet, I don't seem to be falling back on IIT-M if NITH times out, I land up >> with some .jp servers. > IIT-M has only Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 content at this point. Haven't checked > the other mirrors. NITH is still syncing the Fedora 9 content as I am writing this. The delay was caused due to the fact that the vacations are on and there is no student in the campus. Cheerio, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue May 20 05:14:48 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:44:48 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it Message-ID: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Hi, I had a single question around F9 and FreeMedia and the latter specifically. What is a more pressing problem - [1] ensuring that every request gets a media or, [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests The reason I ask is that it would influence the way we can attempt to address this problem. If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number of LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the trends of FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in India. If, [2] is seem to be the bottleneck, then it would be an easier task to generate a Everything (x86 and x86_64) and a LiveMedia set created and sent to folks who would agree to be contact points across regions. The constraints in the scenario are: i] there is only a finite number of LiveMedia that can be created ii] postage and courier charges are the ones where most money is spent iii] the quantity of LiveMedia done as per [1] has to be consumed before F10 is out So, what do I push to get done ? ~sankarshan -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From kushaldas at gmail.com Tue May 20 05:20:28 2008 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:50:28 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200805201050.29030.kushaldas@gmail.com> On Tuesday 20 May 2008 10:44:48 am Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: > Hi, > > I had a single question around F9 and FreeMedia and the latter > specifically. What is a more pressing problem - > > [1] ensuring that every request gets a media > > or, > > [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the > FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests > > The reason I ask is that it would influence the way we can attempt to > address this problem. > > If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number > of LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the > trends of FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in > India. [1] is the biggest problem I think. After getting ISO(s) , still it is difficult to send it across. Kushal -- Fedora Ambassador, India http://kushaldas.in http://dgplug.org (Linux User Group of Durgapur) From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue May 20 06:01:28 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:31:28 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: > [1] ensuring that every request gets a media The most obvious problem is _money_. There are three ways * More contributors, each spend a little, but sums up reasonably. * Less contributor, each spend more money. * Getting sponsored. > [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the > FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests Sorry to say this, but actually, this comes down to 3-5 people. I am not counting fulfilling one or two sparse requests though. > If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number of > LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the trends of > FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in India. Lets talk about the money first. * Say a release continues for 13 months. We take 100 requests each month. => Total requests are 100*13 = 1300 media. * Cost of media = 1300*13 = 16900 INR * Local speed post charge = 13 INR. Remote 25 INR Say local req:remote req= 70:30 => total = 900 *13 + 400 * 25= 21700 INR for postage. * Label =1300*5 = 6500 INR * So total cost of media for 100 req each month = 16900+21700+6500= 45100INR * Allow one time shipping charge and misc = 5000INR * So we need 50000INR for each release. * So even if 100 people contribute 500INR /release (May be by draft/cheque) it is highly doable. Once money is arranged, rest is easy..May we do something like EMEA ? > > i] there is only a finite number of LiveMedia that can be created > ii] postage and courier charges are the ones where most money is spent > iii] the quantity of LiveMedia done as per [1] has to be consumed before F10 > is out The trend says 75% of the requests are i386 and 25% are x86_64 So we may accept 60 DVD(45 i386/15 x86_64) abd 40 Livecd (30 i386 and 10 x86_64) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue May 20 06:18:56 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:48:56 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals Message-ID: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> Hi, Before I begin the mail, here are some interesting trends: o the maps show that the uptake of rawhide in India is on the increase o there has been an increase in the number of applicants and the number of accepted candidates from India in GSoC particularly in the Fedora and JBoss Project o local language spins seem to be reasonably popular o the current mirrors at NITH and WBUT are straining to serve bits and we need more mirrors like IIT-M to come online o the consumption of Fedora bits via torrents show that an increase in the number of seeds can have an impact o at the last count we have an increasing list of contributors to Fedora o last time I checked we had 61 Ambassadors across the country These trends are a fairly healthy indicator of what we can do by working within the FOSS community in India to encourage and mentor increased contributions to Fedora and upstream projects. The current focus points are around 3 aspects: People | Infrastructure | Presence http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India has some details about what we can do together Suggestions, feedback and brickbats are welcome :) ~sankarshan -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue May 20 06:34:00 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:04:00 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <483270D8.3020504@gmail.com> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> [1] ensuring that every request gets a media > > The most obvious problem is _money_. Yes, I agree. What I am trying to achieve is arrive at an optimal solution and thereon allocate monies to the game. > There are three ways > > * More contributors, each spend a little, but sums up reasonably. > * Less contributor, each spend more money. > * Getting sponsored. I would request you to elaborate a bit on the 3 points above. I must have missed something somewhere and can't seem to add it all up. > Sorry to say this, but actually, this comes down to 3-5 people. > I am not counting fulfilling one or two sparse requests though. You don't have to be sorry. It is not that most of us are unaware of the situation. What we can do now is come up with the process whereby we can fulfill most of the requests and do so without investing large sums of money. > Lets talk about the money first. Yes. That gets attention fast :) > * Say a release continues for 13 months. We take 100 requests each month. This might be made simpler actually. If you anticipate that there would be requests for an n-1 release then it would be perhaps economical to get them done on a mass scale. Per unit price of a stamped, mastered and packed media can be hammered down till 10 INR a piece (and that's at a stage when it is ready to ship to recipient) So, 5000 units can be made ready to ship within 50,000 INR How does that look ? > => Total requests are 100*13 = 1300 media. > > * Cost of media = 1300*13 = 16900 INR > > * Local speed post charge = 13 INR. Remote 25 INR > Say local req:remote req= 70:30 > => total = 900 *13 + 400 * 25= 21700 INR for postage. > > * Label =1300*5 = 6500 INR > > * So total cost of media for 100 req each month = 16900+21700+6500= 45100INR > > * Allow one time shipping charge and misc = 5000INR > > * So we need 50000INR for each release. Thanks for this break up, always wanted to get the line item costs recorded. > * So even if 100 people contribute 500INR /release (May be by draft/cheque) > it is highly doable. > > Once money is arranged, rest is easy..May we do something like EMEA ? Like I said. First we figure out what we want to do. Assess whether that is optimal and then we hit the monies. >> i] there is only a finite number of LiveMedia that can be created >> ii] postage and courier charges are the ones where most money is spent >> iii] the quantity of LiveMedia done as per [1] has to be consumed before F10 >> is out > > The trend says 75% of the requests are i386 and 25% are x86_64 > So we may accept 60 DVD(45 i386/15 x86_64) abd 40 Livecd (30 i386 and 10 x86_64) This is another interesting trivia. Thanks -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Tue May 20 09:16:09 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:46:09 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> (Quoting from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India) I am particularly interested in these: > # Campus and institutional tie-ups What do we mean by this? For the sake of an example, lets consider a GSoC candidate working for the Fedora project. What can she expect from us, or what can we expect from her? Would existing student contributors be able to work on Fedora during the summers, which could be passed off as "a summer internship" effort? Or were we talking about some other kinds of "tie-ups"? > # Swag - Live CD, stickers etc and use them for release events Are we permitted to sell swag as a fund-raiser? We all need money don't we? :-) Cheerio, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue May 20 11:02:39 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:32:39 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > (Quoting from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RegionalTeams/India) > > I am particularly interested in these: I would have been happier to read your ideas that expand what can be done, but I guess that's coming in a later mail :) >> # Campus and institutional tie-ups > > What do we mean by this? This is a general statement that includes two objectives: [1] Work with various institutions to have a relationship built that allows us to use their facilities for talks, meets and various related activities [2] Enable us to access their students, faculties and persons interested in education and FOSS to help us work in their community > For the sake of an example, lets consider a GSoC candidate working for > the Fedora project. What can she expect from us, or what can we expect > from her? If you were a GSoC candidate, what would you expect ? You were such not so long back, what would you have expected from Fedora and from NIT-H (say) ? > Would existing student contributors be able to work on Fedora during > the summers, which could be passed off as "a summer internship" > effort? I'd like to see that happen. If that requires that RHT as an organization needs to be involved, I'd like to make that possible (since my day job allows that). One of the side effects of the campus alliance should be this. > Or were we talking about some other kinds of "tie-ups"? The only other kind would be where an institution requires a formal approach to become ready to set up a mirror. >> # Swag - Live CD, stickers etc and use them for release events > > Are we permitted to sell swag as a fund-raiser? We all need money don't we? :-) As on date we are not going to able to sell swag / merchandise. I'd have loved to get this going as much as you, but to do that we need a formal body in place and I (this is a personal opinion) tend to think that it would be a good idea to spend this year in working towards a healthy tribe of Fedora enthusiasts before saddling ourselves with the usual admin bits of a society / NGO -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Tue May 20 14:39:28 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:09:28 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> > I would have been happier to read your ideas that expand what can be done, > but I guess that's coming in a later mail :) I wanted to be sure that we were on the same wavelength. So here we go. >>> # Campus and institutional tie-ups > [1] Work with various institutions to have a relationship built that allows > us to use their facilities for talks, meets and various related activities The free software community already has such a relationship with places like TIFR, IISc, NIT Calicut. Maybe we can explore them from a Fedora specific view point. For example, an event which showcases upcoming or new features, and has a hands-on workshop with sufficient academic or technical content. Things like SELinux, IPv6, Ext4, Systemtap, PolicyKit, Qt4/KDE4, etc. could be some of the upcoming or new features we can consider. We may even consider something like a workshop on UML using BOUML (available as a package); or one on GCC/GDB/Make (like the one in Calcutta University bu ILug-Cal). > [2] Enable us to access their students, faculties and persons interested in > education and FOSS to help us work in their community The distinction between "us" and "them" would be very fuzzy, at best, because students, faculties and persons interested in education and FOSS would be a part of the larger community too. >> For the sake of an example, lets consider a GSoC candidate working for >> the Fedora project. What can she expect from us, or what can we expect >> from her? > If you were a GSoC candidate, what would you expect ? You were such not so > long back, what would you have expected from Fedora and from NIT-H (say) ? I would have expected the Fedora (or the larger free software) community to somehow convince NIT-H that allowing CVS/GIT/IRC/SSH/SVN connections to outside servers is a good thing and not an evil one. This brainless restriction on SSH, IRC, etc. is quite common in Indian institutes, even the "good" ones. I have undergone the torture in NIT-H and seen this in Bengal Engineering and Science University too. Just look at what IIT Kanpur did to restrict Internet timings, and our Director uses that as an example to enforce the same madness in NIT-H too. (How we still managed to be on IRC for the most part of the day is a trade secret, not to be shared on a public mailing list. ;-)) >> Would existing student contributors be able to work on Fedora during >> the summers, which could be passed off as "a summer internship" >> effort? > I'd like to see that happen. If that requires that RHT as an organization > needs to be involved, I'd like to make that possible (since my day job > allows that). > > One of the side effects of the campus alliance should be this. Having such alliances would be a good step forward in solving the "SSH impasse" I mentioned earlier. >>> # Swag - Live CD, stickers etc and use them for release events > As on date we are not going to able to sell swag / merchandise. > [...] > in place and I (this is a personal opinion) tend to think that it would be a > good idea to spend this year in working towards a healthy tribe of Fedora > enthusiasts before saddling ourselves with the usual admin bits of a society That is true. Regards, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Tue May 20 23:49:41 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 05:19:41 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48336395.8000901@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > The free software community already has such a relationship with > places like TIFR, IISc, NIT Calicut. Maybe we can explore them from a > Fedora specific view point. For example, an event which showcases > upcoming or new features, and has a hands-on workshop with sufficient > academic or technical content. Things like SELinux, IPv6, Ext4, > Systemtap, PolicyKit, Qt4/KDE4, etc. could be some of the upcoming or > new features we can consider. Yes, and for that to happen we need to figure out how to get to know people who can talk at a session on the topics you mentioned. The idea is not to re-invent the relationships. If there is an existing "like" group who are already doing regular sessions at a place, it is nicer to use that goodwill to present. > We may even consider something like a workshop on UML using BOUML > (available as a package); or one on GCC/GDB/Make (like the one in > Calcutta University bu ILug-Cal). Right and you must have noticed that we are also talking about "special spins" here :) I was hoping that it would get your attention. >> [2] Enable us to access their students, faculties and persons interested in >> education and FOSS to help us work in their community > > The distinction between "us" and "them" would be very fuzzy, at best, > because students, faculties and persons interested in education and > FOSS would be a part of the larger community too. Without being pedantic and using artifacts of use cases, as on date we don't have a large amount of insight into what the requirements are and how we are placed to meet them. So, although Aanjhan is doing fine work with the FEL spin, we haven't been going around demo-ing it too much or talking about it whenever we can. There has been talk of doing a "Mathematics" spin, but it hasn't progressed beyond that. At the initial stages, the needs of "us" are different from the demands of "them". The objective is to match up so that we are part of a larger community. For clarity of comprehension, replace students and other persons from academia with photographers and you will perhaps figure out what I am trying to get at. >> If you were a GSoC candidate, what would you expect ? You were such not so >> long back, what would you have expected from Fedora and from NIT-H (say) ? > > I would have expected the Fedora (or the larger free software) > community to somehow convince NIT-H that allowing CVS/GIT/IRC/SSH/SVN > connections to outside servers is a good thing and not an evil one. Hmm... and now that you have brought it up, what would be a convincing argument to get them convinced ? > Just look at what IIT Kanpur did to restrict Internet timings, and our > Director uses that as an example to enforce the same madness in NIT-H > too. True, Arun Raghavan is worried about the cascading effect of that instruction. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Wed May 21 05:05:27 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:35:27 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <48336395.8000901@gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> <48336395.8000901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805202205q4199ab12w5ccd7c4c1cbe5371@mail.gmail.com> >> I would have expected the Fedora (or the larger free software) >> community to somehow convince NIT-H that allowing CVS/GIT/IRC/SSH/SVN >> connections to outside servers is a good thing and not an evil one. > Hmm... and now that you have brought it up, what would be a convincing > argument to get them convinced ? Once a particular university/institute gets to know about the community through all the events that we had been talking about, it is easier to make them see the benefits of CVS/GIT/IRC/SSH/SVN Add to that the issue of those being critical components for a student to do an internship/project/GSoC. Usually the establishment is more keen to listen and reason when the arguments are put forward by the companies/projects than by their own students. Sad, but that is often how it is. The whole sordid episode was replayed this year when one more student from NIT-H made it into GSoC under Fedora: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/fedora/appinfo.html?csaid=58FD27FF194214DD Remember NIT-H and BESU (hobnobs with NRC-FOSS :-/) are the places where I have _seen_ this happen. My ears tell me that the problem is/was there in IIM Bangalore and IIT Kharagpur as well. Cheers, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed May 21 05:16:06 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 10:46:06 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805202205q4199ab12w5ccd7c4c1cbe5371@mail.gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> <48336395.8000901@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805202205q4199ab12w5ccd7c4c1cbe5371@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4833B016.4070002@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: [snipping a bit of good points, thanks for bringing them up] > Usually the establishment is more keen to listen and reason when the > arguments are put forward by the companies/projects than by their own > students. Sad, but that is often how it is. So there's all the more reason why the campus tie-up happens at the Project level and perhaps tries to use some bit of the company goodwill. However, the question remains is that - do you think that the points on that page are do-able and would have impact ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Wed May 21 09:05:06 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:35:06 +0530 Subject: The Fedora Community in India - plans and proposals In-Reply-To: <4833B016.4070002@gmail.com> References: <48326D50.40202@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200216k856911v2f14fa709e5b7422@mail.gmail.com> <4832AFCF.8070303@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805200739wcff69b0o97900d4f6ee096b6@mail.gmail.com> <48336395.8000901@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805202205q4199ab12w5ccd7c4c1cbe5371@mail.gmail.com> <4833B016.4070002@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805210205m6b5e62a4l380edc799726279f@mail.gmail.com> > However, the question remains is that - do you think that the points on that > page are do-able and would have impact ? # Presence in community events # Visibility to Indian contributors and associated metrics Already being done. Some more would be nice. # Promote Ambassadors # Campus and institutional tie-ups # More mentors # Get more Indian Mirrors # Manage the Indian localized spins # FreeMedia Project # Swag - Live CD, stickers etc and use them for release events Would be good. # Recording community presentations and events # Regular and informal meetings # IRC sessions and classes We already have them in a disorganized fashion. Maybe we need to be more organized. # FUDCon in India? No idea. # Regional and local language press # Nurture and encourage community presence external to and within Red Hat India Would be good, again. Regards, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 22 02:52:18 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:22:18 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... Message-ID: Hi all, * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as and when your time permits. All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Thu May 22 04:40:31 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:10:31 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2@mail.gmail.com> > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > and when your time permits. > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that everyone can follow? Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. Cheers, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 22 05:02:28 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:32:28 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: >> * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your >> busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] >> >> * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as >> and when your time permits. >> All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I > can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that > everyone can follow? No. > Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed > content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. Sure. Why not? -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu May 22 09:38:08 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:08:08 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48353F00.5030606@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I > can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that > everyone can follow? Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed > content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. There isn't. But this was part of the question set that I had asked in a separate mail : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2008-May/msg00025.html -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From a.mani.cms at gmail.com Thu May 22 14:09:44 2008 From: a.mani.cms at gmail.com (Mani A) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:44 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > Hi all, > > * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. > > * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > and when your time permits. > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts > Could not edit that immutable page! My user name is ManiA Add "A. Mani (24644102) : Only 64-bit DVD" in Kolkata Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 22 14:34:13 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:04:13 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Could not edit that immutable page! > My user name is ManiA > > Add "A. Mani (24644102) : Only 64-bit DVD" in Kolkata Thanks for volunteering. Are not you a member of fedora community? I mean don't you have an account with fedora accounts system? If yes, please log in and edit the page. If not, how about being a member? I can send you the invitation and the required links. Thanks. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu May 22 15:03:00 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:33:00 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I had a single question around F9 and FreeMedia and the latter specifically. > What is a more pressing problem - > Both are doable easily. > [1] ensuring that every request gets a media This can be done with a much reasonable cost by creating hierarchical point of contacts. Say we produce 5000 DVD for a release. Say Pune gets 500 for the whole release, so may be that shipped to you, and there are 10 Ambassadors. So may you ask them to pick up required amount based on demand and other parameters. > [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the > FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests Easy, the media is available at least 4-5 days before release. So produce them in small quantity and ship them to the contributors, using speed post or couriour. So they will receive before release and can use them as a master copy. That would require max 50 INR for each shipment (both i386 and x86_64 included). > > If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number of > LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the trends of > FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in India. Let both [1] & [2] continue. We accept a fixed number of free requests, say 50 each month for if someone really need them. Given the option to choose from [1] & [2] I shall choose [2], because, when someone afford a computer, he/she can afford one or two DVD without any problem. But keeping [1] alive is recommended because if someone is new to fedora and _suspicious_ about how good is it, but wants to try it out, he/she generally would be more interested in a FreeMedia rather than spending for it. > If, [2] is seem to be the bottleneck, then it would be an easier task to > generate a Everything (x86 and x86_64) and a LiveMedia set created and sent > to folks who would agree to be contact points across regions. It is _not_ a bottleneck. As my professors say , a distributed system can not be bottlenecked. :) > The constraints in the scenario are: > > i] there is only a finite number of LiveMedia that can be created > ii] postage and courier charges are the ones where most money is spent This can be reduced by bulk posting, as I said for example, sending all the quota of Pune to you, and get that distributed among local cantacts/Ambassadors. > iii] the quantity of LiveMedia done as per [1] has to be consumed before F10 > is out > > So, what do I push to get done ? According to me, a reasonable number, (fixed after discussion, may be anything between 2000-5000) of media produced for each release. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From nehal.dattani at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:24:31 2008 From: nehal.dattani at gmail.com (nehal dattani) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 01:54:31 +0530 Subject: Fedora-india Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20080522160039.B6BD16194DD@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20080522160039.B6BD16194DD@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <702a203e0805221324w24a9f89em501de56abee4b224@mail.gmail.com> i have added my name in the page......... anybody from ahmedabad/gujarat can contact me on the mentioned mail id regards, NehalDattani On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > Send Fedora-india mailing list submissions to > fedora-india at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-india-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-india-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-india digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > (susmit shannigrahi) > 2. Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... (Debarshi Ray) > 3. Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > (susmit shannigrahi) > 4. Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) > 5. Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... (Mani A) > 6. Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > (susmit shannigrahi) > 7. Re: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it (susmit shannigrahi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 08:22:18 +0530 > From: "susmit shannigrahi" > Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: fedora-india at redhat.com, fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com, > "For > discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base" > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi all, > > * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. > > * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > and when your time permits. > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts > > Thanks. > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:10:31 +0530 > From: "Debarshi Ray" > Subject: Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: "susmit shannigrahi" > Cc: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <3170f42f0805212140j585a7b69s5f30d919f70d9ea2 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > > and when your time permits. > > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I > can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that > everyone can follow? Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed > content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. > > Cheers, > Debarshi > -- > "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a > life." > -- Arthur Ashe > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 10:32:28 +0530 > From: "susmit shannigrahi" > Subject: Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: debarshi.ray at gmail.com > Cc: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Debarshi Ray > wrote: > >> * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > >> busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > >> > >> * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > >> and when your time permits. > >> All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > > If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I > > can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that > > everyone can follow? > > No. > > > Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed > > content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. > > Sure. Why not? > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 15:08:08 +0530 > From: Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay > Subject: Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: <48353F00.5030606 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Debarshi Ray wrote: > > > If I enlist myself, then how do I get the seed content? In my case, I > > can easily get it from the WBUT mirror, but is there a procedure that > > everyone can follow? Maybe the ambassadors could arrange for the seed > > content to reach the "media burners" from the mirror managers. > > There isn't. But this was part of the question set that I had asked in a > separate mail : > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-india/2008-May/msg00025.html > > > > > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:39:44 +0530 > From: "Mani A" > Subject: Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:22 AM, susmit shannigrahi > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > * This is for increasing Fedora Media's availability in India. > > > > * Please note, you need not spend _any_ money. > > > > * If you have a DVD writer and can donate a few minutes from your > > busy schedule, please list your name here.[1] > > > > * When users contact you, ask them to meet you with a blank CD/DVD as > > and when your time permits. > > All you need is to burn the CD/DVD. > > > > > > [1] > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/India/LocalContacts > > > > Could not edit that immutable page! > My user name is ManiA > > Add "A. Mani (24644102) : Only 64-bit DVD" in Kolkata > > > Best > > A. Mani > > > -- > A. Mani > Member, Cal. Math. Soc > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:04:13 +0530 > From: "susmit shannigrahi" > Subject: Re: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... > To: "Mani A" > Cc: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Could not edit that immutable page! > > My user name is ManiA > > > > Add "A. Mani (24644102) : Only 64-bit DVD" in Kolkata > > Thanks for volunteering. > Are not you a member of fedora community? > I mean don't you have an account with fedora accounts system? > If yes, please log in and edit the page. If not, how about being a member? > I can send you the invitation and the required links. > > Thanks. > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 20:33:00 +0530 > From: "susmit shannigrahi" > Subject: Re: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it > To: "Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay" > Cc: fedora-india at redhat.com > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > I had a single question around F9 and FreeMedia and the latter > specifically. > > What is a more pressing problem - > > > > Both are doable easily. > > > [1] ensuring that every request gets a media > > This can be done with a much reasonable cost by creating hierarchical > point of contacts. > Say we produce 5000 DVD for a release. > Say Pune gets 500 for the whole release, so may be that shipped to you, > and there are 10 Ambassadors. So may you ask them to pick up required > amount based on demand and other parameters. > > > > > [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the > > FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests > > Easy, the media is available at least 4-5 days before release. So > produce them in small quantity and ship them to the contributors, > using speed post or couriour. So they will receive before release and > can use them as a master copy. That would require max 50 INR for each > shipment (both i386 and x86_64 included). > > > > > > > If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number > of > > LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the trends > of > > FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in India. > > Let both [1] & [2] continue. > We accept a fixed number of free requests, say 50 each month for if > someone really need them. > > Given the option to choose from [1] & [2] I shall choose [2], because, > when someone afford a computer, he/she can afford one or two DVD > without any problem. > > But keeping [1] alive is recommended because if someone is new to > fedora and _suspicious_ about how good is it, but wants to try it > out, he/she generally would be more interested in a FreeMedia rather > than spending for it. > > > > If, [2] is seem to be the bottleneck, then it would be an easier task to > > generate a Everything (x86 and x86_64) and a LiveMedia set created and > sent > > to folks who would agree to be contact points across regions. > > It is _not_ a bottleneck. As my professors say , a distributed system > can not be bottlenecked. :) > > > The constraints in the scenario are: > > > > i] there is only a finite number of LiveMedia that can be created > > ii] postage and courier charges are the ones where most money is spent > > This can be reduced by bulk posting, as I said for example, sending > all the quota of Pune to you, and get that distributed among local > cantacts/Ambassadors. > > > iii] the quantity of LiveMedia done as per [1] has to be consumed before > F10 > > is out > > > > So, what do I push to get done ? > > According to me, a reasonable number, (fixed after discussion, may be > anything between 2000-5000) of media produced for each release. > > > > > -- > Regards, > Susmit. > > ============================================= > ssh > 0x86DD170A > http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi > ============================================= > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > > End of Fedora-india Digest, Vol 9, Issue 14 > ******************************************* > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 23 01:10:17 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:40:17 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Free Media Distribution - India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48361979.8020505@gmail.com> Hi, Santosh this is really nice on your part. Thank you. I am not too sure if there is a process by which The Fedora Project (in India) can accept this offer :) however, individual Ambassadors/ Points of Contact for the Media Program can perhaps work out a solution. Putting the fedora-india list in as we have been discussing around the FreeMedia issues in India ~sankarshan Santosh Kumar wrote: > Our free media program has been sloppy for sometime now and to > give it a head start, I would like to donate 500 Blank DVD's for you > guys to get started with and i promise to replenish the DVD's as the > stock reduces. How could we guys co-ordinate? > > Regards > Santosh Kumar -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 23 01:19:09 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:49:09 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> [1] ensuring that every request gets a media > > This can be done with a much reasonable cost by creating hierarchical > point of contacts. And this is where your List of Contacts page comes in handy. Now, the next step would be to figure out how the request fulfillment is being tracked. >> [2] getting the initial media set to those who are participating in the >> FreeMedia program so as to enable them to reach out to the requests > > Easy, the media is available at least 4-5 days before release. So > produce them in small quantity and ship them to the contributors, > using speed post or couriour. So they will receive before release and > can use them as a master copy. That would require max 50 INR for each > shipment (both i386 and x86_64 included). So, does anyone need this to be done for F9 or do we make this as a MUST_DO for F10 ? >> If, [1] is the need of the day, we would try to get a substantial number of >> LiveMedia created and shipped to a select few folks based on the trends of >> FreeMedia requests. Besides getting them to MirrorManagers in India. > > Let both [1] & [2] continue. > We accept a fixed number of free requests, say 50 each month for if > someone really need them. In the light of this answer, the other way out is to foot the bill for a select quantity of CDs per list of contact which means we can take out the costs incurred in postage. > But keeping [1] alive is recommended because if someone is new to > fedora and _suspicious_ about how good is it, but wants to try it > out, he/she generally would be more interested in a FreeMedia rather > than spending for it. Agreed. Somewhere before the end of the year and around F10 I think we will have the monies to look at branded LiveUSBs. Let's see. > According to me, a reasonable number, (fixed after discussion, may be > anything between 2000-5000) of media produced for each release. There is an invariant cost involved in creating the master media and that is around the region of 10,000 INR. The volume of the media generated from the master brings down the per unit price to somewhat reasonable levels of ~10 INR per unit. I can get done a 3000 unit run of F9 LiveMedia to be made available to the List of Contacts. The consumption of the LiveMedia needs to be tracked. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri May 23 03:45:17 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:15:17 +0530 Subject: [Ambassadors] Re: Free Media Distribution - India In-Reply-To: <48361979.8020505@gmail.com> References: <48361979.8020505@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Santosh this is really nice on your part. Thank you. Santosh, many thanks for your offer first... > I am not too sure if there is a process by which The Fedora Project (in > India) can accept this offer :) Hmm...well, not actually, but this may help.[1] But only if you are ready to donate the amount. > however, individual Ambassadors/ Points of > Contact for the Media Program can perhaps work out a solution. Well, I was thinking..if Fedora Project can accept money, why cannot it accept materials? Sankarshan da, can you ping any FAmSCo member about this? [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia/Donation -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri May 23 04:04:22 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:34:22 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: > So, does anyone need this to be done for F9 or do we make this as a MUST_DO > for F10 ? This is MUST_DO for F10. Felow ambassadors/contacts, if anybody don't have the F9 media till now, please response. > Agreed. Somewhere before the end of the year and around F10 I think we will > have the monies to look at branded LiveUSBs. Let's see. Great!!!! > I can get done a 3000 unit run of F9 LiveMedia to be made available to the > List of Contacts. Well, please don't be offended, but, why LiveMedia? In India, LiveMedia is not at all a good option. India have a very low to reasonable connectivity. I mean downloading and installing nonfree codecs for xine may be an option, but installing entire office suit over the net, well, _very_ few people have that _privilege_. So a DVD will be much more reasonable option. To cut cost, we _may_ downgrade the size to 2500. >The consumption of the LiveMedia needs to be tracked. May be a request form for Ambassadors/contacts. And they must upload all the details of consumption before claiming next lot of media. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 23 04:25:17 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:55:17 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4836472D.3030102@gmail.com> susmit shannigrahi wrote: >> I can get done a 3000 unit run of F9 LiveMedia to be made available to the >> List of Contacts. > > Well, please don't be offended, but, why LiveMedia? Not at all. It is a valid question and demands an answer. > In India, LiveMedia is not at all a good option. India have a very low > to reasonable connectivity. The LiveMedia in the current form isn't really crippled in terms of making its use as an introduction to Fedora for new users. The idea is to blend in the availability of the Fedora bits along with access to full media + repo from Ambassadors / Point of Contacts allowing a much more active contact set rather than the disjoint interactions. We are already talking about Points of Contact receiving "Everything" repo. An Everything DVD set can be done of course but the cost of production rises as does then the urgency to ensure that every single DVD is consumed post a n+1 release. > So a DVD will be much more reasonable option. To cut cost, we _may_ > downgrade the size to 2500. There is a point that comes into play over here. The invariant cost of creating the master and then doing a production run of a quantity that is optimal. So, for example, we can do a 200 unit run for Everything but then the production cost per unit rises. A rough calculation shows that anything less than 3000 is not a good thing to do -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From debarshi.ray at gmail.com Fri May 23 04:32:59 2008 From: debarshi.ray at gmail.com (Debarshi Ray) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:02:59 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <4836472D.3030102@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> <4836472D.3030102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3170f42f0805222132u7065401co12c6d01f5fb81db3@mail.gmail.com> > The LiveMedia in the current form isn't really crippled in terms of making > its use as an introduction to Fedora for new users. The idea is to blend in > the availability of the Fedora bits along with access to full media + repo > from Ambassadors / Point of Contacts allowing a much more active contact set > rather than the disjoint interactions. > > We are already talking about Points of Contact receiving "Everything" repo. Just send Fedora 9 installation DVD for i386 and x86_64 to the List of Contacts. x86_64 is more important because the i386 version is easily available thanks to Linux For You, FOSS.in, etc.. In fact can't we redirect requests for i386 when we know that a recent edition of LFY had just distributed it? Cheers, Debarshi -- "From what we get, we can make a living; what we give, however, makes a life." -- Arthur Ashe From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 23 04:50:10 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:20:10 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <3170f42f0805222132u7065401co12c6d01f5fb81db3@mail.gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> <4836472D.3030102@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805222132u7065401co12c6d01f5fb81db3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48364D02.2090802@gmail.com> Debarshi Ray wrote: > Just send Fedora 9 installation DVD for i386 and x86_64 to the List of > Contacts. x86_64 is more important because the i386 version is easily > available thanks to Linux For You, FOSS.in, etc.. In fact can't we > redirect requests for i386 when we know that a recent edition of LFY > had just distributed it? Re-directing to procure a copy of the latest LFY you mean ? Hmm.. I wonder if LFY would like that to happen :) The suggestion about sending the DVD media set to List of Contacts is easily undertaken. Can the folks on the list mail their postal addresses to sundaram at fedoraproject.org and morpheus at fedoraproject.org putting "Postal Address for receiving F9 media" in the subject ? -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri May 23 06:42:42 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:12:42 +0530 Subject: [Fwd: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it.] Message-ID: <48366762.6070609@gmail.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I want a virtual Fedora coffee table book and you are going to help me get it. Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:30:54 -0800 From: Jeff Spaleta Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base References: <604aa7910805221317ue692e8ctb9c2a21c0f8508b9 at mail.gmail.com> So, does anyone remember a book called "Love" where this photographer found this cheap little plastic heart with the word Love on it and decided to get a candid picture of as many 'interesting' people holding that little chunk of plastic as they could. The photographer then compiled the pictures into a little coffee table book full of these pictures and little stories concerning the meeting. A book I repeatedly bought as a standard gift back when i was dating and V-day rolled around. But I digress.... I would really love, absolutely love, to see us compile a book like that..filled with pictures of our contributors holding up a certain trinket common plastic trinket which symbolized what our project stands for. Fill the book with pictures and short little testimonials concerning that person and Fedora. We'd have to decide on a trinket that people could easily get their hands on. If we make it a physical traditional publication, we sell it and give the profits to a charity. Or we can make it an at-cost on-demand publication. We could even hand them out as recognition awards. -jef -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri May 23 15:36:39 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:06:39 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> References: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Could not edit that immutable page! > My user name is ManiA > > Add "A. Mani (24644102) : Only 64-bit DVD" in Kolkata What is your wiki user name? You can create a account here. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UserPreferences Then only I can add your name to edit group. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From siddharth at techbugs.org Fri May 23 16:07:26 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:37:26 +0530 Subject: Only a DVD writer is required!!! Please help... In-Reply-To: References: <78323d480805220709r13ae0d99pd1167e51e4087f1a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Friends Lets look at the distribution of Media in the recent developments, we are in process of identifying more and more local contacts to help us balance the load, nice work and support Sushmit, Santosh, Shankarshan and everyone ... The only issue here can be the seed content for the Ambassadors who are having DVD R/W but no bandwidth... In this case please let me know I can ship seed contents to you all as soon as release happens Regards Siddharth From siddharth at techbugs.org Fri May 23 16:15:37 2008 From: siddharth at techbugs.org (Siddharth Upmanyu) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:45:37 +0530 Subject: F9, FreeMedia and questions around it In-Reply-To: <48364D02.2090802@gmail.com> References: <48325E48.2040709@gmail.com> <48361B8D.9000409@gmail.com> <4836472D.3030102@gmail.com> <3170f42f0805222132u7065401co12c6d01f5fb81db3@mail.gmail.com> <48364D02.2090802@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All I would suggest we start by looking how much of the investment needed to produce media in bulk and sending them to key point of contacts can be expected and from which all sources (there was some hint about releasing funds for FreeMedia by Rahul..) after we are clear about this one we can plan a strategy for next action plan.. Regards Siddharth From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Fri May 23 16:43:56 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 22:13:56 +0530 Subject: APAC ambassadors meeting on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 10:00:00 UTC Message-ID: Hi all, Hope you all are doing fine. It has been over a month till we had a meeting. How about having another? This meeting is absolutely necessary as we are trying to organise ourselves and have a lot to discuss. It is on Sunday, June 8, 2008 at 10:00:00 UTC. So that gives us sufficient time to discuss things, plan, and make drafts. You can check the timing here.[1] As always, this is subject to change if majority have problem with the date/timing. Also I hope to see a few more people in the meeting. Last time only 7-8 people were present (we have 61 ambassadors). See you there. :) [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2008&month=6&day=8&hour=10&min=0&sec=0 -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue May 27 08:39:00 2008 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:09:00 +0530 Subject: APAC ambassadors meeting [Sunday, June 8, 2008] details. Message-ID: Hi All, Thank you all for your response. I can see there is a bit confusion about the details of this meeting. So I am resending the details. * The meeting will be held in the #fedora-meeting channel on freenode[1]. * Timing is here[2]. Please check your local time. * The agenda is here[3]. Please update this with the topics you feel important. * Considering a few members are new, here are the links[4][5] to setup your irc client, if you have not done already. If you need anything else, please let me know. See you all there :) Thanks. [1] freenode.net [2] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?year=2008&month=6&day=8&hour=10&min=0&sec=0 [3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-06-08 [4] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCSetup [5] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= ssh 0x86DD170A http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/SusmitShannigrahi ============================================= From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed May 28 00:39:20 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 06:09:20 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi Message-ID: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> Hi, iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha Engineering College on June 7. Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? ~sankarshan -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From rakesh.pandit at gmail.com Wed May 28 05:58:01 2008 From: rakesh.pandit at gmail.com (Rakesh Pandit) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:28:01 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/5/28 "Sankarshan (????????)" : > Hi, > > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha > Engineering College on June 7. > > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? > I can volunteer .... but I confused about how can I help in? Suggestions ? -- Regards, Rakesh Pandit From ravisagar at gmail.com Wed May 28 06:10:36 2008 From: ravisagar at gmail.com (ravisagar at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:40:36 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ef639d90805272310sedd27b9q2809cff9715420be@mail.gmail.com> I am in! I love working Fedora. It has become my primary OS. Just let me know what help you need. There must be many others who would also volunteer. -Ravi On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Rakesh Pandit wrote: > 2008/5/28 "Sankarshan (????????)" : > > Hi, > > > > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha > > Engineering College on June 7. > > > > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? > > > > I can volunteer .... but I confused about how can I help in? > > Suggestions ? > > -- > Regards, > Rakesh Pandit > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Ravi Sagar ravisagar.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, do let us know if you have Fedora9 media at hand, else it would be required to get that to you as well. ~sankarshan ravisagar at gmail.com wrote: > I am in! I love working Fedora. It has become my primary OS. > > Just let me know what help you need. There must be many others who would > also volunteer. > > -Ravi > > > On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Rakesh Pandit > wrote: > > 2008/5/28 "Sankarshan (????????)" >: > > Hi, > > > > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha > > Engineering College on June 7. > > > > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora > presence ? > > > > I can volunteer .... but I confused about how can I help in? > > Suggestions ? > > -- > Regards, > Rakesh Pandit -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From ravisagar at gmail.com Wed May 28 06:29:22 2008 From: ravisagar at gmail.com (ravisagar at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 11:59:22 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483CF8D9.1010404@gmail.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> <9ef639d90805272310sedd27b9q2809cff9715420be@mail.gmail.com> <483CF8D9.1010404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ef639d90805272329y7c5d9aeet1ef4fdb10aecfa0@mail.gmail.com> I saw all the topics mentioned there. I can help with the Installation of Distributions and other Multimedia Packages. I don't have F9 yet. -Ravi On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:46 AM, "Sankarshan (????????)" < foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote: > Good to know. So, to begin with please read up: > http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd at lists.linux-delhi.org/msg21266.html and > see if you can take up any of the listed topics or propose anything that you > are comfortable talking with. > > I am trying to get a set of media done and intend to get some across to > Delhi for the event. So, if you are interested in being the custodian of > media + some goodies for the event and beyond, please add your name and > postal address bits to the Local Contact list on the wiki. > > Also, do let us know if you have Fedora9 media at hand, else it would be > required to get that to you as well. > > ~sankarshan > > ravisagar at gmail.com wrote: > >> I am in! I love working Fedora. It has become my primary OS. >> >> Just let me know what help you need. There must be many others who would >> also volunteer. >> >> -Ravi >> >> >> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Rakesh Pandit > rakesh.pandit at gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> 2008/5/28 "Sankarshan (????????)" > >: >> > Hi, >> > >> > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha >> > Engineering College on June 7. >> > >> > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora >> presence ? >> > >> >> I can volunteer .... but I confused about how can I help in? >> >> Suggestions ? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Rakesh Pandit >> > > > > -- > > http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published > http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science > http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Ravi Sagar ravisagar.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please put your postal address on a mail to sundaram at fedoraproject.org and along side, do please get in touch with the folks from iLUG-D working on this event. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work From kishore at pobox.com Wed May 28 14:15:58 2008 From: kishore at pobox.com (Kishore Bhargava) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 19:45:58 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> Sankarshan (? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????) wrote: > Hi, > > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha > Engineering College on June 7. > > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? I am sure I will get roped in to giving some presentation or the other and I do have F9 installed and running. If you have suggestions on what you'd like presented for Fedora, do let me know. Cheers...Kishore -- From ravisagar at gmail.com Wed May 28 16:53:03 2008 From: ravisagar at gmail.com (ravisagar at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:23:03 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> Message-ID: <9ef639d90805280953x39e528c5l6535031c09eb3df7@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone has prepared badges for this event which I can put on my sites? -Ravi On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Kishore Bhargava wrote: > Sankarshan (? ????? ????? ??? ? ????? ????? ??? ? ????? ????) wrote: > > Hi, > > > > iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha > > Engineering College on June 7. > > > > Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? > > I am sure I will get roped in to giving some presentation or the other > and I do have F9 installed and running. If you have suggestions on what > you'd like presented for Fedora, do let me know. > > Cheers...Kishore > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-india mailing list > Fedora-india at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india > -- Ravi Sagar ravisagar.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 17:00:52 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:30:52 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> Message-ID: <483D8FC4.90305@fedoraproject.org> Kishore Bhargava wrote: > Sankarshan (? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> iLUG-D and CSI are organizing a seminar / workshop at Indraprastha >> Engineering College on June 7. >> >> Is anyone in or around Delhi available to help out with Fedora presence ? > > I am sure I will get roped in to giving some presentation or the other > and I do have F9 installed and running. If you have suggestions on what > you'd like presented for Fedora, do let me know. I will pitch in a few references: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/ReleaseSummary http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/13/fedora-9-get-yours-and-get-involved/ http://jkeating.livejournal.com/59623.html http://www.press.redhat.com/2008/05/28/ride-the-wave-with-fedora-9/ Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Wed May 28 17:11:10 2008 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:41:10 +0530 Subject: Planet Fedora Message-ID: <483D922E.80002@fedoraproject.org> Hi, If you are a Fedora contributor, note that the method for adding blogs to Planet Fedora has changed to be more of a self service one. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet Make sure your blog is aggregated following the instructions. If you have any difficulties, feel free to contact admin AT fedoraproject.org Rahul From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Thu May 29 04:24:03 2008 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IlNhbmthcnNoYW4gKOCmuOCmmeCnjeCmleCmsOCnjeCmt+Cmoyki?=) Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 09:54:03 +0530 Subject: Help needed from folks in Delhi In-Reply-To: <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> References: <483CA9B8.9050306@gmail.com> <483D691E.7080002@pobox.com> Message-ID: <483E2FE3.3040503@gmail.com> Kishore Bhargava wrote: > I am sure I will get roped in to giving some presentation or the other > and I do have F9 installed and running. If you have suggestions on what > you'd like presented for Fedora, do let me know. :) To begin with, can you be the custodian for a few goodies that I can send over for this event ? I'd require your postal address off-list. And, would you be knowing any vendor in and around Delhi who does CD stamping ? We can then get some media done for this event as well as for Local Contacts in Delhi to have around. -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work