Fedora Infrastructure IRC Meeting Log from 2007-09-06

Ricky Zhou ricky at fedoraproject.org
Fri Sep 7 01:43:12 UTC 2007

16:04:35 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Role Call
16:04:37 < mmcgrath> who's here?
16:04:39 < skvidal> I am
16:04:45 < skvidal> one sec I'll be on the bridge
16:04:55  * ricky is here, but will probably have to go very shortly. 
16:04:58  * glezos is here
16:05:19  * lmacken 
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16:05:21  * abadger1999 here
16:05:22 < lmacken> heh
16:05:24 < lmacken> clockwork
16:05:29 < mmcgrath> there they go.
16:05:41 < abadger1999> Some people just don't want to do an honest days work :-)
16:05:43 < mmcgrath> I know dgilmore is traveling a lot this week.
16:05:49 < frankc> Frank is listening.
16:05:59 < mmcgrath> hello frank
16:06:01 < mmcgrath> paulobanon: ping?
16:06:37 < mmcgrath> Ok, lets get started.
16:06:42 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
16:06:50 < mmcgrath> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority
16:06:54 < mmcgrath> We really only have the one on the list
16:07:09 < mmcgrath> and jcollie isn't around right now.
16:07:25 < mmcgrath> The lack of interest in that from the community in general leads me to believe that 
                     we'll be on CVS for a long time to come.
16:07:28 < mmcgrath> just a prediction :)
16:08:12 < mmcgrath> This will probably be a short meeting, not much happened in the last week.
16:08:17 < skvidal> I think most people don't want to hear the flame war
16:08:19 < abadger1999> heh.  It's not (really) broken so don't fix it.
16:08:47 < mmcgrath> heh, thats true.
16:08:52 < mmcgrath> Ok, we'll move on to the schedule next.
16:08:56 < glezos> skvidal: what if there's no flame work and just action?
16:08:57 < lennert> ...
16:09:03 < skvidal> glezos: hahahahahahaha
16:09:05 < skvidal> glezos: that's funny
16:09:12 < skvidal> glezos: are you a comedian for your day job? :)
16:09:15 < glezos> :)
16:09:19 < ricky> Darn- I must go.
16:09:25 < mmcgrath> ricky: later ricky!
16:09:29  * ricky will read the logs in a bit :)
16:09:34 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- 
16:09:40 < glezos> skvidal: we're infra, we can do anything :P
16:09:49 < skvidal> right-o :)
16:09:57 < mmcgrath> I might remove the VCS from the schedule since there's been little progress in it 
                     and it is already in the tickets.
16:10:11 < mmcgrath> As far as sponsorship goes we have a new member to add to the web group - glezos
16:10:14 < mmcgrath> welcome glezos.
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16:10:24 < skvidal> yay glezos!
16:10:28 < mmcgrath> s/web group/sysadmin-web group/g
16:10:30 < glezos> mmcgrath: glad to be here.
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16:10:42 < mmcgrath> glezos: have you had a chance to verify your access to bastion?
16:10:54 < glezos> mmcgrath: yes, it seems to work fine, thanks
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16:11:25 < mmcgrath> and nothing new on the SOP stuff.
16:11:39 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Corporate Sponsors
16:11:50 < mmcgrath> So there's some good news and some same old news on the sponsorship front.
16:12:02 -!- jeremy [i=katzj at nat/redhat/x-35dd6359cde2db97] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:12:06 < mmcgrath> we've been offered a half rack + BW from a colo in Germany
16:12:09 < skvidal> jeremy: you're late!
16:12:24 < skvidal> mmcgrath: cool, well done
16:12:35 < mmcgrath> The company is TeliaSonera
16:12:42 < skvidal> pretty name
16:12:45 < mmcgrath> :)
16:12:46 < mmcgrath> yeah
16:13:22 < lennert> telia is a carrier
16:13:35 < mmcgrath> and we get free remote hands from Proio.com
16:14:15 < mmcgrath> So for us its just a matter of finding some servers to put over there.
16:14:27 < mmcgrath> I'm working on that but if the IBM's or Dell's out there hear anything let me know.
16:14:33 < skvidal> mmcgrath: so we hav 21U
16:14:41 < skvidal> do we have money to buy servers w/yet?
16:14:45 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I believe so.
16:15:01 < skvidal> ie: can we just spend 9K and get a 1950 in germany?
16:15:05 < mmcgrath> We've never really had a budget so I'm working on that.  We did get money for the 
16:15:09 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping so.
16:15:29 < mmcgrath> Back in July/June I created an end of the year budget that included 2 server 
                     purchases (both 1950's)
16:15:40 < mmcgrath> so, if that gets approved as I think it has, then we can purchase and ship.
16:15:54 < mmcgrath> I'd stick one 1950 in PHX and one 1950 in Germany (probably through dell.de)
16:16:01 < skvidal> sounds like a good plan
16:16:14 < mmcgrath> the req process internally isn't the most fun and people are busy and haven't been 
                     as responsive as I'd hoped.
16:16:43 < mmcgrath> So thats the latest on that, any questions?
16:17:08 < glezos> mmcgrath: any ideas on how we're going to promote this support? banners, announcement?
16:17:29 < mmcgrath> glezos: I'm glad you asked, especially since you have an eye for good looking pages 
                     and access
16:17:33  * mmcgrath grabs ticket
16:17:47 < mmcgrath> This is it here - 
16:18:00 < mmcgrath> I think ricky may have done some preliminary work on this but I'm not sure how far 
                     he's gotten.
16:18:13 < mmcgrath> I've sent a few emails to the websites list (including the cattle call one).
16:18:22 < glezos> mmcgrath: I'll take a look as well
16:18:30 < mmcgrath> I asked if there were still people on the list, they said yes, and some said they 
                     weren't sure how to get started.
16:18:44 < mmcgrath> so I sent that ticket explictly out to see if anyone would make a page but I've 
                     gotten no response :(
16:18:55 < mmcgrath> glezos: I'd appreciate that.
16:18:57 < glezos> mmcgrath: what about an announcement?
16:19:08 < mmcgrath> glezos: ?  what did you have in mind?
16:19:46 < glezos> mmcgrath: dunno, if we do need more support then it could act as a "thanks" and 
                   invitation for more support
16:19:55 < glezos> on FWN for example
16:20:32 < mmcgrath> we've talked about some of that stuff, I'd like to save some of the announcements 
                     for the larger donations, like if IBM gave us 200 grand in hardware or something.
16:20:46 < glezos> mmcgrath: agreed
16:20:56 < mmcgrath> so far though no ones requested it.  Its hard to put a value on donation because, 
                     in theory, we might have a bunch.
16:21:13 < mmcgrath> But, since the "powered by dell" logo is the only thing we have right now I'd at 
                     least like to get the sponsorship page and such setup.
16:21:45 < glezos> mmcgrath: right
16:21:47 < mmcgrath> so anywho, thats all we've got on that for this week.
16:21:52 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
16:22:02 < lmacken> https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/141
16:22:04 < mmcgrath> Its been a pretty quiet week, I've been making lots of little changes.
16:22:14 < lmacken> are there any account system guys that could take care of that ?
16:22:23 < skvidal> mmcgrath: is lockbox pretty much use-free now?
16:22:46 < mmcgrath> skvidal: pretty close, we still have infrastructure.fp.o to move off of there (its 
                     stored on the netapp but served through lockbox)
16:22:56 < mmcgrath> and we still deploy some apps via lockbox though that should be trivial to fix.
16:23:03 < skvidal> mmcgrath: what does infrastructure need?
16:23:17 < mmcgrath> just some place to mount that share elsewhere.
16:23:35  * f13 peeks in
16:23:36 < abadger1999> Are we mounting the full netapp on puppet1 now?
16:23:36 < skvidal> okay b/c when its free I can bump it to rhel5 and setup reposync
16:23:38 < mmcgrath> we need to find a different master server to attach to the netapp, right now 
                     lockbox is the only server that can rw to everything on the netapp as root.
16:23:46 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: we might be but it can't write to it.
16:23:52 < abadger1999> k
16:23:55 < mmcgrath> lmacken: we'll talk about that in a sec.
16:23:59 < mmcgrath> skvidal: what did you have in mind?
16:24:21 < skvidal> I don't need much - just a rhel5 instance with entitlements and disk space
16:24:37 < skvidal> so I can get it to sync down rhel5, rhel5-virt, and rhel5-updates
16:24:48 < mmcgrath> <nod>
16:24:58 < mmcgrath> I'll put in a ticket request for that today.
16:25:03 < skvidal> you suggested lockbox before
16:25:16 < skvidal> and I had other things going on so I was waiting for it to free up to do the 
                    reposync bit
16:25:37 < abadger1999> The hosted trac repositories sync via the netapp mount on lockbox as well.
16:25:40 < mmcgrath> lockbox would be good but A) its almost dead (EOL'd) and B) I want to stick the 
                     sync mechanism on a xen instance.
16:25:58 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: yeah, there's a few cron jobs we'll need to migrate.
16:26:20 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ok, lets talk about #141
16:26:28 < lmacken> ok
16:26:53 < mmcgrath> how are they obtained now?  Which pages on the wiki?
16:27:00 < skvidal> mmcgrath: okay if there's a better choice of a box to stick a xen instance on where 
                    I can write to the netapp, I can do it there
16:27:02 < lmacken> No idea.. I don't know anything about those certs
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16:28:35  * jeremy looks
16:28:56 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/UsingPlagueClientFaq
16:29:10 < abadger1999> lmacken: Does till just want us to host the files available from the wiki on 
16:29:29  * dgilmore is here
16:29:30 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I think the concern is that someone could go in and change those files.
16:29:44 < lmacken> yeah, in "a secure way".. so I'm assuming he wants us to host it from 
16:30:02 < jeremy> yeah, that's what it looks like
16:30:07 < jeremy> and we definitely should!
16:30:12 < lmacken> definitely
16:30:25 < mmcgrath> yep, easy fix.  lmacken if you don't want to do it assign the ticket to me, I'll do 
                     it after the meeting.
16:30:52 < lmacken> sounds good.  I don't know my way around the account system.. So i'll reassign :)
16:31:09 < mmcgrath> lmacken: I'm just going to stick it under /accounts/ somewhere and change the links 
                     on the wiki.
16:31:21 < mmcgrath> Does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
16:31:26 < glezos> mmcgrath: As a heads-up, I'll create a ticket now for what we need for transifex
16:31:32 < mmcgrath> glezos: k
16:31:35 < abadger1999> wishlist item: I'd like to have a ~/.fedora/ directory for bodhi/koji/etc 
                        config, sessioncookies, certs.
16:31:51 < jeremy> abadger1999: makes sense to me
16:31:56 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: we can do that.
16:32:48 < mmcgrath> Ok, anything else?  If not I'll close the meeting in 30
16:33:16 < mmcgrath> 10
16:33:21 < skvidal> thanks mmcgrath
16:33:29 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting End
16:33:46 < mmcgrath> thanks for coming guys.
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16:33:50 < mmcgrath> skvidal: any time :)
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          and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For 
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16:35:05 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: you will need to co-ordinate the change so that fedora-packager-setup.sh 
                     gets the certs from the new location
16:35:39 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: where is the canonical source for fedora-packager-setup.sh
16:35:43 < dgilmore> koji
16:35:50 < dgilmore> its in the koji package
16:36:38  * dgilmore has been meaning to do up a fedora-maintainer package that has it and pulls in 
          koji/plague/mock  etc  so someone can easily get a environment up 
16:36:40 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: can do, I'll file a bug.
16:39:47 -!- halfline_ is now known as halfline
16:39:56 < f13> dgilmore: do it as a comps group instead.
16:40:09 < f13> dgilmore: can still do 'yum groupinstall fedora-dev-kit'
16:40:16 < f13> and can select it at install time, or graphically from pirut
16:40:23 < f13> (and can be easily included in spins)
16:41:40 < dgilmore> f13: no  because we want a place to put scripts etc
16:42:24 < f13> sure, so you can have a package that does that, but also a comps group that includes the 
                koji package, your package, whatever other tools we pick and choose
16:42:26 < dgilmore> f13: fedora-packager-setup.sh  does not really belong in koji.
16:42:36 < f13> and we make those defaults, but not mandatory so that at install time you can adjust.
16:42:41 < f13> dgilmore: I don't disagree
16:42:42 < dgilmore> sure that could be done
16:42:57 < f13> I just don't want you to do a 'metapackage' with unnecessary Requires.
16:43:57 < dgilmore> we can make that work
16:44:10 < dgilmore> I should set aside time and just do it
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