Meeting Log - 2008-07-03

[Ricky Zhou]

16:00  * f13 
16:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here?
16:01  * lmacken 
16:01  * abadger1999 is here
16:02  * iWolf lurks
16:02  * londo lurks as well
16:02 < fchiulli> fchiulli is here
16:02  * skvidal is
16:02 < mmcgrath> alllrighty, lets get started
16:02  * ivazquez is here
16:02 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
16:02 < mmcgrath> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure
16:02 < mmcgrath> err thats not tickets :)
16:03 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=%7EMeeting&order=priority
16:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/2hyyz6
16:03 < mmcgrath> there we go
16:03 < mmcgrath> ok, item number one
16:03 < mmcgrath> .ticket 671
16:03 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #671 (in.fedoraproject.org) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/671
16:03 < mmcgrath> So I don't understand this ticket.
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16:04 < mmcgrath> it starts off saying mether talked to me (he didn't about this)
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16:04 < mmcgrath> I gather they're requesting hosting space from us.
16:04 < mmcgrath> We have a localized fedoraproject.org page.
16:04 < mmcgrath> we're soon going to have a localized wiki.
16:04 < mmcgrath> once spins get back in order all of that will be taken care of.
16:04 < ivazquez> I think it was less "with" than "at".
16:05 < mmcgrath> f13: are we able to produce spins right now?  mether seems to think no.
16:06 < mmcgrath> I asked in the ticket for someone from the Indian team to be present during this meeting, is anyone around?
16:06 < ivazquez> Do we know who's on the team?
16:06 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: no idea
16:06 < f13> mmcgrath: Spins are being made as we chat
16:07 < f13> slowly (:
16:07 < mmcgrath> ok, then I'm going to make some comments on this ticket because I don't think they have a clear idea of what they want and I know I don't have a clear idea of it.
16:07 < mmcgrath> next ticket
16:07 < mmcgrath> .ticket 395
16:07 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395
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16:08 < mmcgrath> jcollie: any word?
16:08 < jcollie> whups we have a meeting don't we
16:08 < mmcgrath> :)
16:08 < jcollie> no nothing new other than a lot of people have signed up for sip accounts and appear to have them working
16:09 < mmcgrath> jcollie: yeah, so far I've heard no complaints with the system, just that we need more docs :)
16:09 < jcollie> we need docs yep
16:09 < mmcgrath> all in all I and I think everyone else has been very pleased.
16:09 < mmcgrath> well if nothing else on 395 we'll move on
16:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 446
16:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #446 (Possibility to add external links on spins page) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/446
16:09 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: ping?
16:09 < mmcgrath> ianweller: ping you on this too
16:09 < mmcgrath> spevack: ping
16:10 < mmcgrath> whats the current deal with spins?  does this ticket fall under what has been going on in the websites team?  I know mizmo has been working on stuff.
16:10 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: we have a page up.  Just need good text making it clear  that they are not provided directly by fedora
16:11 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: excellent, go ahead and close that bug when we're all set.
16:11 < mmcgrath> next ticket is
16:11 < mmcgrath> .ticket 547
16:11 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #547 (Koji DB Server as postgres 8.3) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/547
16:11 < mmcgrath> I'll be out in PHX soon to install the new db server looks like next week actually (on thursday and friday)
16:12 < abadger1999> Cool.
16:12 < f13> nice
16:12 < mmcgrath> we'll run our tests, make sure its cool and do a clean cutover at that time of koji.
16:12 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: /me goes back to working construction
16:13 < mmcgrath> side note, it seems the network throughput we should be seeing in PHX... we aren't.  I've got a ticket open with the team.
16:13 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: solid
16:13 < mmcgrath> thast really all there is on postgres
16:13 < mmcgrath> .ticket 576
16:13 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #576 (Infrastructure Contact Information) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/576
16:13 < mmcgrath> G: you around?
16:13  * mmcgrath thinks not but is pinging anyway
16:14 < ivazquez> I think he punched out a few hours ago.
16:14 < mmcgrath> ok, so no G.  one thing I was thinking about was using encfssh
16:14 < ianweller> oh hi
16:14 < mmcgrath> though I'm not sure of all of its features.  would that require a shared password?
16:14 < mmcgrath> anyone else use encfs for anything?  I do in a limited capacity
16:15 < mmcgrath> ok, we'll move on for now on that
16:15 < jcollie> well one thing would be nice with whatever we come up with is ability to sync a copy locally to a laptop or somehing
16:15 < mmcgrath> .ticket 361
16:15 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #361 (fedorahosted.org default trac header logo/location icon) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/361
16:16 < mmcgrath> jcollie: yeah, encfssh I think would allow for that via unison
16:16 < mmcgrath> or rsync.
16:16 < mmcgrath> ianweller: did you want to be lead on this?
16:16  * mmcgrath can't remember.
16:16 < ianweller> mizmo just left for home
16:16 < mmcgrath> it might have been ricky who's on vacation
16:16 < ianweller> i don't remember where the logo was in the deeper areas of the wiki
16:17 < jcollie> i think we're just waiting for mizmo to finish the design
16:17 < ianweller> do you guys know how to change the default logo?
16:17 < mmcgrath> ahh, got'cha.
16:17 < mmcgrath> ianweller: I seem to remember its pretty simple
16:17 < ianweller> ok
16:17 < mmcgrath> f13: do you remember?
16:17 < ianweller> well once we get that from her i think we can do it
16:17 < mmcgrath> I don't know off hand but I bet google or the #trac guys will know real easy
16:17 < jcollie> probably can be done by editing the config file
16:18 < ivazquez> Oh, just a bit on a tangent here...
16:18 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: shoot
16:18 < ivazquez> What about a Trac theme that's blue?
16:18 < f13> I don't recall off teh top of my head, but yeah I think we can get the logo in place.  It just might be a site modificatino that we'll have to keep up every time we update trac
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16:18 < ivazquez> You know, to match the rest of our stuff? :P
16:18 < mmcgrath> I'm fine with that, just needs to have the work done
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16:18 < f13> ivazquez: that'd be great, got css?
16:18 < f13> (:
16:18 < ivazquez> I know CSS. I suppose that's a start :P
16:18 < jcollie> it'll be even easier when we move to trac 0.11 since it uses genshi templates
16:19 < mmcgrath> <nod>
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16:19 < mmcgrath> so nothing new on the logos and I think a good theme would be excellent
16:19 < mmcgrath> next ticket
16:20 < f13> especially if we want to compete with launchpad
16:20 < mmcgrath> .ticket 448
16:20 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #448 (Hosting request for fedora-quotes) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/448
16:20 < mmcgrath> I thought we took care of that
16:20  * mmcgrath clicks
16:20  * mmcgrath pings ajax
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16:20 < jcollie> i don't think that the new repo on fp.o was ever set up
16:22 < mmcgrath> jcollie: I thought he was just going to use his fedorapeople space for a while
16:22 < mmcgrath> I'll make a note on the ticket and we'll talk next time.
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16:22 < mmcgrath> because I think what he wanted was more open then we actually have the ability to provide right now
16:23 < mmcgrath> ok, that brings us to some other topics.
16:23 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- l10n wiki
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16:23 < mmcgrath> Just so you guys know G's working on a translated wiki solution.  We almost have it ready.
16:23 < ianweller> \o/
16:23 < mmcgrath> Additionally we're going to have a wildcard cert soon for fedoraproject.org
16:23 < ianweller> \o/
16:23 < mmcgrath> which is some exciting news if it behaves like I think it will.  allowing for stuff like "en.fedoraproject.org" and "de.fedoraproject.org"
16:24 < mmcgrath> for our website and wiki interactions.
16:24 < jcollie> extra coolness
16:24 < mmcgrath> this is all part of a larger plan to further internationalize our infrastructure
16:24 < mmcgrath> G's been working hard on that
16:24 < mmcgrath> next bit
16:25 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- DB funkiness
16:25 < mmcgrath> err actually
16:25 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- FAS2 funkiness
16:25 < mmcgrath> http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/fas-conn-img1.png
16:25 < mmcgrath> long story short, fas2 is spiking and using WAY more db connections then we have told it it can use.
16:26 < mmcgrath> and we're not exactly sure where this is happening.
16:26 < ivazquez> Can we instrument SA?
16:26 < SmootherFrOgZ> wooo
16:26 < mmcgrath> I'm going to continue looking into it but I want to make everyone aware this is causing problems.
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16:26 < mmcgrath> when FAS2 500's it causes our other FAS dependant apps to 500
16:26 < SmootherFrOgZ> i'm in if you want a hand mmcgrath
16:27 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: does all came from fasclient or more ?
16:28 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: yeah, thats part of it.
16:28 < mmcgrath> but in theory we could probably be ddosed right now pretty easily.
16:28 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: we can, I don't think its at the SA level.  I believe its at mod_wsgi and apache threads.
16:28  * ChitleshGoorah wants to know whether ticket 627 will be discussed in this meeting
16:29 < mmcgrath> but, like I said, we really don't know for sure.  almost no changes I've made to SA or wsgi hsa made any difference
16:29 < mmcgrath> .ticket 627
16:29 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #627 (Request: A FEL mailing list) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/627
16:29 < mmcgrath> ChitleshGoorah: it didn't have a meeting tag so no.  it hasn't.
16:29 < mmcgrath> ChitleshGoorah: what about it?
16:29 < ChitleshGoorah> a mailing list for FEL
16:30 < mmcgrath> thats the request is for.
16:30 < mmcgrath> ChitleshGoorah: you want to know when or something?
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16:31 < ChitleshGoorah> mmcgrath: I just want to know whether someone is taking care of the request
16:31 < SmootherFrOgZ> is someone already works on that ?
16:31 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: no one was, I'll get it after the meeting.
16:31 < mmcgrath> ok, so back to FAS2 issues.
16:32 < mmcgrath> anyone who has an interest in looking at why FAS2 is taking all those connections up please do, even if you don't figure it out email me or the list with anything you think or test.  It could help.
16:32 < mmcgrath> and thast really all I have for the meeting.
16:32 < mmcgrath> so
16:32 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
16:32 < SmootherFrOgZ> i'll
16:32 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything to discuss?
16:32 < ivazquez> fas-planet
16:33 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: do we have a ticket about this issue ?
16:33 < ivazquez> What's the next step to getting it in place?
16:33  * nirik wonders what the progress on ticket 651 is.
16:34 < SmootherFrOgZ> .ticket 651
16:34 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: not yet.
16:34 < zodbot> SmootherFrOgZ: #651 (system account for tier2 ppc32/x86_64 hosting for cvsextras) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/651
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16:34 < mmcgrath> nirik: I'm going to have loupgaroublond work on that soon actually, its going to be his first fas project.
16:34 < nirik> ok, cool.
16:35 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: I'll open a ticket after the meeting.
16:35 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
16:35 < ivazquez> fas-planet
16:35 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: feel free to add me to it
16:35 < SmootherFrOgZ> thx
16:35 < ivazquez> What's the next step to getting it in place?
16:35 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: sure
16:35 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: the plugin?
16:36 < ivazquez> Yes.
16:36 < f13> hrm.
16:36 < mmcgrath> not sure.
16:36 < f13> that system account thing makes me a little nervous
16:36 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: have you checked with skvidal that it'll work in our setup?
16:36 < mmcgrath> f13: me too
16:37  * skvidal scrolls up
16:37 < ivazquez> I have not, but I'm out of ways to think about how it won't work.
16:37 < skvidal> ah
16:37 < skvidal> sorry - I was reading fas-planet
16:38 < skvidal> okay
16:38 < skvidal> yah - we just need to be able to query that data
16:38 < skvidal> do we have that ,yet?
16:38 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: skvidal: you two want to make sure thats all good.
16:38 < ivazquez> Can do.
16:38 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: make sure your plugin has an interface for skvidal's script to pull from.
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16:39 < skvidal> okie doke
16:39 < ivazquez> The plugin contains both the FAS plugin and a script to pull the data.
16:39 < mmcgrath> <nod>
16:39 < ivazquez> All it needs is the static portion of the planet config file.
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16:39 < skvidal> ivazquez: I can't wait to tell our users to reset it all again :)
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16:40 < ivazquez> I could probably whip something up to import the .planet files.
16:41 < ivazquez> I mean, not right *this* second, but yeah.
16:42 < ivazquez> I'll open a ticket so we can track it.
16:42 < mmcgrath> solid.
16:42 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything else to discuss?
16:43 < ivazquez> I suppose I'll request hosting for fas-planet as well.
16:44 < f13> mmcgrath: probably not this meeting, but soon I'll ask for a publictest insance for doing message bus testing
16:44 < f13> and start talking about how we could/should use such a bus
16:45 < mmcgrath> f13: solid.
16:45 < abadger1999> f13: What bus were you planning on looking into?
16:45 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ohh, you haven't seen f13's screencast :D
16:45 < f13> abadger1999: qpid, the AMQP implementation that's used by RH MRG
16:46 < f13> mmcgrath: notting has brought up an interesting question over in #fedora-devel
16:46 < f13> mmcgrath: archives. is out of space, and we can remove from master what was put on archives, but that's not going to last long.
16:46 < f13> what's our future storage strategy?
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16:47 < mmcgrath> f13: we've got 3.5T of space waiting to be used that was donated from HP, its primarly for secondary but for now we can use it for both.
16:47 < mmcgrath> problem....
16:47 < mmcgrath> its got 3, count it, 3 bad disks in it right onw.
16:47 < mmcgrath> so I'm trying to figure out what to do about it and get it under warranty, etc.
16:47 < f13> oof
16:47 < mmcgrath> its hosted in PHX.
16:47 < mmcgrath> xen11.
16:47 < f13> where "both" == secondary and archives ?
16:47 < mmcgrath> yeah, we'll probably keep them as separate sites for now just so we can split them up if the time comes.
16:48 < notting> archives right now is something @bu?
16:48 < mmcgrath> I'm also though hoping to have a 10T solution for our primary mirror by the end of the year though.
16:48 < mmcgrath> so we'll have a lot of options.
16:48 < mmcgrath> notting: correct.
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16:49 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?  if not we'll end the meeting in 30.
16:49 < f13> mmcgrath: so if we move stuff that's on archives off of master, that gives us enough space to last out the year for Fedora releases?
16:49 < f13> I think you confirmed this once, I just want to make sure 9:
16:49 < f13> (:
16:49 < f13> (I hadn't realized archives. was out of space)
16:49 < mmcgrath> I haven't done the math recently.
16:50 < f13> k
16:50 < mmcgrath> but either way I'm hoping to have the 'new' archives box up before F9+1 ships :)
16:50 < f13> sure
16:50 < f13> aaah
16:51 < f13> yeah, that'll help us land F!10
16:51 < mmcgrath> actually we need to make sure we'll have enough room for the alpha too.
16:51 < ivazquez> Do we have a FAS2 test instance running anywhere?
16:51 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: publictest10
16:51 < ivazquez> Alright.
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16:51 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else?  if not we'll close the meeting in 30
16:52 < ivazquez> I'll package fas-planet in the meantime so we can put it into the FI repo for now.
16:52 < mmcgrath> ivazquez: excellent
16:52 < mmcgrath> 15
16:52 < SmootherFrOgZ> ivazquez: cool
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16:52 < mmcgrath> 5
16:52 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting end!
16:52 < mmcgrath> thanks for coming everyone!!
16:52 < fchiulli> Enjoy the weekend all.
16:53 < mmcgrath> indeed
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