Meeting Log - 2008-03-20

Thu Mar 20 21:21:42 UTC 2008

16:04 < dgilmore> Hey all Infra Meeting
16:04 -!- dgilmore changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Infrastructure meeting
16:05 -!- jfluhmann [n=jfluhman at x170y234.angelo.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting
16:05 < dgilmore> ping ricky, skvidal, f13, Wakko666, jima, iWolf, anyone else i forgot
16:05 < skvidal> pong
16:05  * iWolf is here
16:05 < gkrpan> <- here
16:05  * Wakko666 waves.
16:06 < dgilmore> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority
16:06 < dgilmore> meeting items
16:06 < dgilmore> .ticket 395
16:06 < zodbot> dgilmore: #395 (Audio Streaming of Fedora Board Conference Calls) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/395
16:07 < dgilmore> jcollie: how much work do you think is involved here?
16:07 < jcollie> hmm
16:07 < dgilmore> its not something thats critical to get done
16:07 < jcollie> once we get FAS2/Asterisk integrated, then we need to get a bot set up to control things
16:07 < dgilmore> but something we need to keep in mind
16:08  * f13 
16:08  * mdomsch is here
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16:08 < jcollie> maybe 10-16 hours of someone's time... dunno... i'm not good at estimating that
16:08 < dgilmore> if anyone wants to help this would be a nice place to do some things
16:09 < dgilmore> jcollie: we are thinking of a module for SupyBot allowing people to book and control rooms right?
16:09 < jcollie> yes
16:09 < jcollie> i've got a prototype started
16:09 < dgilmore> so it would intrface with asterisks manager api
16:09 < dgilmore> :)
16:09 < jcollie> yes
16:10 < jcollie> it's called ursabot but it doesn't join any channels yet
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16:10 < dgilmore> :)
16:10 < jcollie> the code is in my asterisk1 home dir if anyone wants to take a look
16:10 < dgilmore> i might try poke at it
16:10 < dgilmore> so lets move on
16:11 < dgilmore> .ticket 398
16:11 < zodbot> dgilmore: #398 (elfutils `monotone' (mtn) error) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/398
16:11 < dgilmore> so what to do here
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16:11 < jcollie> i say we block any new monotone repos until the anonymous access issues get sorted out upstream
16:12 < jcollie> for now you can rsync the elfutils repo anonymously iirc
16:12 < f13> jcollie: do e really have other monotone users?
16:12 < jcollie> f13: not that i know of
16:12 < jcollie> so it may never become an issue
16:13  * jfluhmann is here
16:13 < f13> yeah
16:13 < f13> I don't expect them to be knocking down our door
16:13 < dgilmore> we probably should have insisted roland changed RCS
16:14 < dgilmore> but anyway  not much eles here for now
16:14 < dgilmore> .ticket 446
16:14 < zodbot> dgilmore: #446 (Possibility to add external links on spins page) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/446
16:14 < dgilmore> no one owns this
16:15 < dgilmore> im somewhat against it
16:15 < dgilmore> but then again i also told mether that he should find local hosting for localised spins
16:15 < mether> unfortunately that is easier said that done
16:16 < dgilmore> I can see the want to put localised spins links somewhere
16:16 < iWolf> the concern is that we can't be certain of the validity of the spins if we post external links?  i.e. it falls outside our circle of trust?
16:16  * jwb perks up
16:17 < dgilmore> but perhaps we could link to a wiki page that has all the laocalised torrents on it
16:17 < jwb> if something changes with the localized spins please let me know
16:17 < dgilmore> iWolf: somewhat yes
16:17 < dgilmore> jwb: in what way?
16:17 < jwb> as in, if they are going to get hosted at spins.fp.o
16:17 < Wakko666> i seem to remember mmcgrath mentioning the need for board involvement on this.  i don't remember the details, though.
16:17 < jwb> i'm not producing anymore localized spins at the moment
16:18 < dgilmore> jwb: why not
16:18 < dgilmore> i thought we were hosting some
16:18 < mdomsch> +1 to wiki page listing them
16:18 < dgilmore> fedora-fr.org has a french spin they are self hosting
16:18 < jwb> we have 1 hosted now.  that was before the spins issue was brought up to the board
16:19 < jwb> yes, i know
16:19 < mdomsch> +1 to spins.fp.o linking to the wiki page
16:19 < dgilmore> mdomsch: I think that should be ok
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16:20 < dgilmore> mdomsch: then we have have a disclaimer that the spinds are generated by local community people
16:20 < mdomsch> yep
16:20 < jwb> dgilmore, essentially we need agreement from Infrastructure, Rel-Eng, and the Board on how to handle spins before it's really going to go further
16:20 < jwb> spins hosted on spins.fp.o that is
16:20 < dgilmore> jwb: fair enough
16:20 < dgilmore> ok not much else here
16:20 < dgilmore> we have the three meeting items
16:20 < dgilmore> so Floor open
16:21 < f13> I wanted ot bring some thing up
16:21 < dgilmore> f13: shoot
16:21 < f13> I want to make infrastructure aware that I'm preparing a FESCo proposal on bringin the Jpackage team into our infrastructure, a la OLPC
16:21 < jcollie> that'd be cool
16:21 < f13> they have a need for good infrastructure, and we have a need for a closer and easier relationship with jpackage.
16:22 < f13> bringing them into our infrastructure accomlishes both of these needs, and opens up the door to many other benifits
16:22 < jcollie> would they still be able to do the nosrc rpms of the non-free bits?
16:22 < dgilmore> f13: i think its a great thing
16:23 < jwb> doesn't jpackage do non-free stuff?
16:23 < dgilmore> f13: however we really need that blade center installed first i think
16:23 < f13> the need for nosrc stuff goes out the door with openjdk
16:23 < dgilmore> jcollie: they would have to go.  or be done outside of fedora
16:23 < f13> and they wouldn't be allowed to bring it into our infrastrucutre, adn they know that
16:23 < jwb> who's going to sponsor them?
16:23 < f13> dgilmore: we may need a number of things first, and that will be accounted in my proposal.
16:24 < f13> we don't need to accomplish this tomorrow, it can be a gradual thing.
16:24 < jwb> sorry, that's a FESCo question i gues
16:24 < dgilmore> f13: also we need more disk for cvs-int
16:24 < jwb> s
16:24 < f13> jcollie: I want to mentor a few of jpackage folks and get them setup as sponsors
16:24 < dgilmore> f13: that seems sane
16:24 < f13> dgilmore: or we need to actually prune lookaside cache.
16:24 < dgilmore> f13: i think we have always said we cant do that
16:25 < f13> which I call BS on, but *shrug*
16:25 < jcollie> could we just move the lookaside cache to a separate system?
16:25 < f13> anywho, I just want to make you guys aware that this is coming so that you aren't blindsided
16:25 < dgilmore> f13: as long as well can still retrive the source. then i guess its ok
16:25 < f13> the proposal will have language in it that it predicates upon Infrastructure being able to fulfill the need
16:26 < f13> dgilmore: we only need the source for the things we are still offering binaries for.
16:26 < jwb> i'm still confused
16:27 < f13> we may even be able to get them to donate some time/money/material to the Infrastructure cause.
16:27 < f13> jwb: how can I clarify?
16:27 < jwb> do OLPC have some other setup where their packages don't follow the fedora review process?
16:28 < dgilmore> f13: that is completely different to what mdomsch is trying to do with being able to recreate srpms
16:28 < jwb> or are they treated as "normal" packages, with a special OLPC branch?
16:28 < f13> jwb: no, the OLPC packages in the Fedora infrastructure have to follow our guidelines.
16:28 < dgilmore> jwb: they do and its not buit in Fedora
16:28 < f13> jwb: normal packages with olpc branch.  Some don't have Fedora branches.
16:28 < f13> some do.
16:28 < jwb> so why wouldn't we just get all the jpackage packages into fedora?
16:28 < dgilmore> jwb: anything in fedora cvs must meet fedora guidelines
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16:29 < f13> dgilmore: not extremely.  For that case, we only need to be able to recreate them of a certain age.  Also, we can move the cruft to an archive box and not on our production scm instance clogging up resources.
16:29 < f13> but this is talk for another time.
16:29 < dgilmore> jwb: for there noarch packages that are useable on all distros i assume
16:29 < f13> jwb: because jpackage provides cross-distro builds of the packages at a different schedule than Fedora
16:29 < mdomsch> +1 to "archive box"
16:29 < mdomsch> there's a lot of stuff we'd like to hang onto, but not necessarily keep super-live...
16:29 < f13> jwb: Fedora and RHEL aren't the only jpackage consumers.
16:30 < jwb> so now we're turning into rPath?
16:30 < f13> no, we're providing an opensource development lab and compelling infrastructure for interesting opensource projects
16:30 < f13> jwb: they would be doing builds from their branch through our buildsystem, and then releasing them however they see fit
16:30  * jwb saves the rest for FESCo
16:31 < f13> jwb: but it'll be come much easier to get their updates into Fedora builds and vice versa.
16:31 < f13> jwb: I'd be happy to chat with you about it at any time.
16:31 < jwb> yeah, i might take you up on that
16:32 < mdomsch> as infrastructure team, I want to be careful about overcommitting and under-delivering
16:32 < mdomsch> but where we can offer assistance
16:32 < jwb> what he said
16:32 < mdomsch> I'd like to see us do so
16:32 < f13> nod
16:32 < jwb> we're at odds with other goals a bit i think
16:32 < mdomsch> and if we can get some resources from JPackage to help cover their needs plus a bit, great
16:33 < jwb> hm, not goals.  intiatives
16:33 < mdomsch> f13, please include in your proposal to FESCo the resource estimates
16:33 < f13> mdomsch: I will be working on those next week.
16:33 < mdomsch> presuming JPackage has some
16:34 < f13> well, right now they have a box, with mock running on it
16:34 < f13> I think that's about it (:
16:34 < f13> but a good friend of mine was working on getting them more resources and a better buildsystem.  I've kind of usurped that, so we might be able to get him to direct some of those donations our way
16:34 < f13> which don't help much when we don't have any frelling place to /put/ them :/
16:36 < mdomsch> next topic?
16:36 < mdomsch> beta release on Tuesday, bits flowing to mirrors now
16:37 < dgilmore> mdomsch: :)
16:37 < dgilmore> f13: want to give a report on how the beta bits are flowing
16:37 < dgilmore> 'and how the changes have helped
16:38 < mdomsch> dgilmore, you mean reversing the streams
16:38 < mdomsch> ?
16:39 < f13> gaining control over the netapp has been invaluable
16:39 < f13> probably saved a good 3 to 5 days worth of delay this time around
16:39 < f13> mdomsch: do we have any idea how many mirrors have gotten the bits, or are getting the bits?
16:39 < dgilmore> mdomsch: yes,  and us pushing bits rather than RH IS
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16:40 < mdomsch> f13, not yet
16:40 < mdomsch> we'll know more tomorrow
16:40 < mdomsch> MM hasn't picked up the fact that the dir is open yet
16:40 < f13> k
16:40 < f13> I don't have access to a mirror to verify that the bits are open though.
16:40 < mdomsch> i do, and they are
16:41 < dgilmore> :)
16:41 < mdomsch> receiving file list ... done
16:41 < mdomsch> drwxr-x---        4096 2008/03/19 16:52:18 9-Beta
16:41 < mdomsch> -rw-r--r--         718 2008/03/17 10:31:50 9-Beta/.composeinfo
16:41 < mdomsch> drwxr-xr-x        4096 2008/03/19 16:50:46 9-Beta/Fedora
16:41 < mdomsch> ...
16:41 < dgilmore> ok anything else ?
16:42 < mdomsch> f13, are you going to do the .9-Beta hidden dir trick again in the future?
16:42 < mdomsch> that confused MM a bit
16:42 < mdomsch> because it can see .foo directories just fine
16:42 < f13> mdomsch: I don't have to, I could name it the final location and just ensure permissions are right.
16:42 < mdomsch> and thought the version was literally ".9-Beta"
16:42 < mdomsch> ok, please do the latter then
16:42 < f13> I wasn't going to leave it unlocked with a . in the name
16:43 < f13> but until I could ensure the permissions were doing what I hoped they would do I didn't want it obviously available to the world.
16:43 < mdomsch> sure
16:43 < f13> (having shell access to a mirror would help with this kind of thing)
16:43 < jwb> sekret
16:43 < mdomsch> f13, np, send ftp+fedora at redhat.com the IP of a box you want to claim as a rel-eng mirror
16:43 < mdomsch> and just rsync -va ... but with no dest, so all you get is the file listing :-)
16:44 < f13> mdomsch: good point, I should do that.
16:44 < mdomsch> sbathe isn't online atm
16:44 < mdomsch> she'll do it no problem
16:45 < mdomsch> ok, I"m out for the weekend - goodbye and good luck
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16:45 < dgilmore> all right guys  thanks very much
16:45 < f13> later.
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16:45 < dgilmore> wrapping up in 60 unless someone has something else to add
16:46 < dgilmore> 30
16:46 < dgilmore> 15
16:46 < dgilmore> done
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