From poelstra at redhat.com Tue Dec 1 16:48:57 2009 From: poelstra at redhat.com (John Poelstra) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:48:57 -0800 Subject: Fedora Talk Follow-up Meeting Wed or Thurs? Message-ID: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> Hi Fedora Talkers, A month has slipped by since we got a lot of great work done at the FAD: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_Fedora_Talk_2009_game_plan Would folks be available at 3 PM EST this Wednesday or Thursday to do a check-in to see where we are at and what to tackle next? We might also want to think about possible things to work on at FUDCon. Given the nature of our work, I'd also suggest that we meet on Fedora Talk instead of IRC :) John From bruno at wolff.to Tue Dec 1 17:24:54 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:24:54 -0600 Subject: Fedora Talk Follow-up Meeting Wed or Thurs? In-Reply-To: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> References: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:48:57 -0800, John Poelstra wrote: > > Would folks be available at 3 PM EST this Wednesday or Thursday to > do a check-in to see where we are at and what to tackle next? We > might also want to think about possible things to work on at FUDCon. > > Given the nature of our work, I'd also suggest that we meet on > Fedora Talk instead of IRC :) One thing to watch for is if when turning recording it breaks the service for people who are already connected. This happened once at the last group session that I participated in. I don't know if it was a one time glitch or if there is a bug. The symptom was that when recording was turned out remote listeners lost audio. Calling back in again fixed things up. From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 22:12:27 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:12:27 -0500 Subject: Fedora Talk Follow-up Meeting Wed or Thurs? In-Reply-To: <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> References: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> Message-ID: <20091201221227.GV2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 11:24:54AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:48:57 -0800, > John Poelstra wrote: > > > > Would folks be available at 3 PM EST this Wednesday or Thursday to > > do a check-in to see where we are at and what to tackle next? We > > might also want to think about possible things to work on at FUDCon. > > > > Given the nature of our work, I'd also suggest that we meet on > > Fedora Talk instead of IRC :) > > One thing to watch for is if when turning recording it breaks the service > for people who are already connected. This happened once at the last > group session that I participated in. I don't know if it was a one time > glitch or if there is a bug. The symptom was that when recording was > turned out remote listeners lost audio. Calling back in again fixed things > up. File a ticket for this! -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From bruno at wolff.to Wed Dec 2 04:12:02 2009 From: bruno at wolff.to (Bruno Wolff III) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:12:02 -0600 Subject: Fedora Talk Follow-up Meeting Wed or Thurs? In-Reply-To: <20091201221227.GV2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> <20091201221227.GV2803@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091202041202.GA17378@wolff.to> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 17:12:27 -0500, "Paul W. Frields" wrote: > On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 11:24:54AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > > One thing to watch for is if when turning recording it breaks the service > > for people who are already connected. This happened once at the last > > group session that I participated in. I don't know if it was a one time > > glitch or if there is a bug. The symptom was that when recording was > > turned out remote listeners lost audio. Calling back in again fixed things > > up. > > File a ticket for this! I filed: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1847 to help remind people to keep an eye out for this. From smooge at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 04:41:50 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:41:50 -0700 Subject: Updated systems for 2009-12-01 Message-ID: <80d7e4090912012041s5038bc6fx57386fa85af5c774@mail.gmail.com> UPDATED 2009-12-01 ===================== app1 done app1.stg done app2 done app2.stg done app3 done app4 done app5 done app6 done app7 done asterisk1 done asterisk2 done # rebooted backup2 done bapp1 done bastion1 done bastion2 done collab1 done collab2 done cvs1 done cvs1.stg done db1 done db1.stg done db2 done db3 done fas1 done fas1.stg done fas2 done hosted1 done hosted2 done ibiblio1 done log1 done memcached1 done memcached2 done nfs1 done noc1 done # qpidc excluded noc2 done ns1 done # needs reboot ns2 done osuosl1 done people1 done proxy1 done proxy1.stg done proxy2 done proxy3 done proxy4 done proxy5 done proxy6 done publictest1 done # rebooted publictest2 done # rebooted publictest3 done # postgres/python-migrate/mediawiki excluded publictest6 done # mediawiki excluded publictest7 done publictest8 done # rebooted publictest14 done publictest15 skipped # uses outside repo publictest16 done puppet1 done serverbeach1 done # needs reboot badly serverbeach2 done # needs reboot badly serverbeach3 done # needs reboot badly serverbeach4 done serverbeach5 done smtp-mm1 done spin1 done sync1 done sync2 done telia1 done torrent1 done tummy1 done value1 done value2 done xen1 done xen2 done xen3 done xen5 done xen6 done xen7 done xen8 done xen9 done xen10 done xen11 done xen12 done xen13 done xen14 done xen15 done SKIPPED (because I forgot to ask) ========================== compose-x862 koji1 koji1.stg koji2 kojipkgs1 ppc10 ppc2 ppc3 ppc4 ppc5 ppc6 ppc7 ppc8 ppc9 qa1 releng1 releng1.stg releng2 relepel1 secondary1 sign-bridge1 x86-1 x86-2 x86-3 x86-4 x86-5 x86-6 x86-7 xenbuilder4 -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From jonstanley at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 04:46:46 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:46:46 -0500 Subject: Fedora Talk Follow-up Meeting Wed or Thurs? In-Reply-To: <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> References: <4B1548F9.2070406@redhat.com> <20091201172454.GA16387@wolff.to> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> Would folks be available at 3 PM EST this Wednesday or Thursday to >> do a check-in to see where we are at and what to tackle next? ?We >> might also want to think about possible things to work on at FUDCon. $DAYJOB has been so non-stop for me that I can't guarantee Wednesday availability, but I'm on PTO for FUDCon starting on Thursday. However, my bus leaves at 4. Could we move it earlier in the day on Thursday, say around 2 or so? From thanosk at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 10:56:38 2009 From: thanosk at gmail.com (Thanos Koukoulis) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:56:38 +0200 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <1e1520370912020256m5351239fo394bce38dff27933@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone My name is Thanos Koukoulis and I would like to join the fedora infrastructure group and contribute to the Fedora project. I have been a Linux sys-admin since 2000 working mainly with RHEL and CentOS setting up and maintaining a variety of web,mail and ftp servers. For the last 2 years I have been working as an outside consultant, setting up and offering support for Linux Servers as well as implementing solutions like IP Telephony, Messaging, Document Management and Process Management Joining the infrastructure team would give me a chance to contribute back to the community as well as get involved with new projects. Thanks Thanos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:12:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:12:41 -0500 Subject: Docs Installation Guide - Submission and Download problem In-Reply-To: <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0B62F8.5090601@redhat.com> <4B14BEDA.9030504@gmail.com> <4B15C3A7.2020405@redhat.com> <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091202141241.GC3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:47:32AM +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Ruediger Landmann wrote: > > On 12/01/2009 04:59 PM, Jaswinder Singh wrote: > >> > >> On 11/24/2009 10:07 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > >>> > >>> I am getting a 'Page Unavailable' error while trying to download or > >>> submit the .po files for the Installation Guide. At times, a 'Gateway > >>> Timeout' error also shows up. I thought I'd check here first before filing a > >>> ticket, if there is any outage ongoing for translate.fedoraproject.org. > >>> > >>> The page I am looking at is this: > >>> > >>> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/docs-install-guide/f12-tx/ > >> > >> Today again I am facing this problem when committing > >> docs-Installation-Guide. > > > > And Noriko was facing it with the Installation Guide yesterday; she couldn't > > download the PO file. I verified this as well; none of the view or download > > links worked for any language. > > Rudi, you could clear the cache and refresh it. > > Otherwise, please ping me or diegobz on IRC to figure out the problem. > > FWIW, Fedora still runs an old version of Tx. If the Infrastructure is out of its freeze period now, this would be a good time to contemplate updating the Fedora Transifex instance. Is that already planned? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 14:23:40 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:23:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Docs Installation Guide - Submission and Download problem In-Reply-To: <20091202141241.GC3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <4B0B62F8.5090601@redhat.com> <4B14BEDA.9030504@gmail.com> <4B15C3A7.2020405@redhat.com> <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> <20091202141241.GC3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:47:32AM +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:32 AM, Ruediger Landmann wrote: > > > On 12/01/2009 04:59 PM, Jaswinder Singh wrote: > > >> > > >> On 11/24/2009 10:07 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I am getting a 'Page Unavailable' error while trying to download or > > >>> submit the .po files for the Installation Guide. At times, a 'Gateway > > >>> Timeout' error also shows up. I thought I'd check here first before filing a > > >>> ticket, if there is any outage ongoing for translate.fedoraproject.org. > > >>> > > >>> The page I am looking at is this: > > >>> > > >>> https://translate.fedoraproject.org/projects/docs-install-guide/f12-tx/ > > >> > > >> Today again I am facing this problem when committing > > >> docs-Installation-Guide. > > > > > > And Noriko was facing it with the Installation Guide yesterday; she couldn't > > > download the PO file. I verified this as well; none of the view or download > > > links worked for any language. > > > > Rudi, you could clear the cache and refresh it. > > > > Otherwise, please ping me or diegobz on IRC to figure out the problem. > > > > FWIW, Fedora still runs an old version of Tx. > > If the Infrastructure is out of its freeze period now, this would be a > good time to contemplate updating the Fedora Transifex instance. Is > that already planned? > We did a monthly update just yesterday, I just logged in and checked and transifex was not updated. This means it's still got an older package in EPEL - 0.5.2 to be exact. -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 17:59:45 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:59:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Reminder about the test servers Message-ID: If you are in sysadmin-test or have access to the publictest servers, please note those servers aren't for general purpose whatever you want to use them for servers. You've been granted access to them to work on specific projects, if a new project comes up please file an RFR and discuss on the list before you start working on it. -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 2 18:35:32 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:35:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: The next couple of weeks Message-ID: Well, we haven't actually talked about it much on the list because we've been in idle for so long but the next couple of weeks are going to be interesting. This weekend: FUDCon! This is good, but also bad. Lots of us will be in one place and likely busy during the day. If alerts go out people may not get to them right away, etc, etc. If you're not coming to FUDCon please do stay around on IRC and pay attention when things go down. Even people without access to things can look and see the mirrorlist is down at ibiblio but nowhere else, sometimes little details like that can be very helpful when someone who does have access shows up to get to work. Next weekend (the 12th): The big move! https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 This is going to be a very strange project I can just tell already. Smooge and I will be on site but also largely unavailable. Lots of people have offered to help with this and really the thing we're going to need is verification. I'm working on some procedures to follow as things come back online. Having users around to verify that things are back up and configured right could be a big time saver. For example, xen2 is back online, then dennis or someone could verify RSA access, console access PDU acces, etc. Those are all time consuming things but also can be done in parallel provided we have the people on hand to do it. So starting with the 12th, stop by #fedora-admin, we'll try to keep the migration stuff in there so people watching will know "oh, the whole buildsys is back online but we're waiting for an fsck on /mnt/koji". For stuff that's going wrong outside of the move (like the mirrorlist becoming unavailable) we'll stick that in #fedora-noc. The idea being that stuff in #fedora-noc needs to be handled immediately even though there's a move going on. questions? comments? -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 19:30:47 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:30:47 -0500 Subject: Docs Installation Guide - Submission and Download problem In-Reply-To: References: <4B0B62F8.5090601@redhat.com> <4B14BEDA.9030504@gmail.com> <4B15C3A7.2020405@redhat.com> <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> <20091202141241.GC3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091202193047.GS3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:23:40AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 09:47:32AM +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > > > FWIW, Fedora still runs an old version of Tx. > > > > If the Infrastructure is out of its freeze period now, this would be a > > good time to contemplate updating the Fedora Transifex instance. Is > > that already planned? > > > > We did a monthly update just yesterday, I just logged in and checked and > transifex was not updated. This means it's still got an older package in > EPEL - 0.5.2 to be exact. OK -- Diego has access to that package's EL-5 branch according to the pkgdb application: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/transifex Diego, would it be helpful for someone to file a bug in Bugzilla to ask for this update? If so, I can do that. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From stickster at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 19:32:53 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:32:53 -0500 Subject: Docs Installation Guide - Submission and Download problem In-Reply-To: <4B169B5C.4050802@redhat.com> References: <4B0B62F8.5090601@redhat.com> <4B14BEDA.9030504@gmail.com> <4B15C3A7.2020405@redhat.com> <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> <20091202141241.GC3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> <4B169B5C.4050802@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20091202193253.GT3563@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Wed, Dec 02, 2009 at 10:22:44PM +0530, Runa Bhattacharjee wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > >If the Infrastructure is out of its freeze period now, this would > >be a good time to contemplate updating the Fedora Transifex > >instance. Is that already planned? > > > > We are waiting for an upgrade to v 0.7 at present, primarily for compliance with > the new version of publican, which would cut down the current issues that we are > facing with the jumbo sized books (statistics missing, timeouts during > submission etc.). Diego has already outlined the necessary steps required to get > the upgrade going [1]. However, we may need a few volunteers to complete this. > > hth > > Thanks > Runa > > [1] https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1455 Argh, I sent my reply just now without having seen this. Darn mail sync! Sorry about the crossed wires; I'll consult the ticket for details. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From patrick.day8246 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 21:54:39 2009 From: patrick.day8246 at gmail.com (Patrick Day) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:54:39 -0700 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: <179d19d0912021354r6a2c54eagac5dd0075325e7@mail.gmail.com> Hello All, My name is Patrick Day, and I have been using Fedora for a few years now, and I absolutely enjoy working with it. I like it so much in fact that I have decided to contribute to the Fedora community. I have been a Software Test Engineer in many different facets (I will also sign up for the QA project) for about 4.5 yrs, and as such I gained valuable experience in writing scripts, programming, and debugging; I seek to contribute whatever I can. I am interested in the infrastructure project because I would to refine and improve my programming skills in general. If anyone has any questions about my experience please feel free to contact me. - Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 01:45:08 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:15:08 +0530 Subject: Reminder about the test servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > If you are in sysadmin-test or have access to the publictest servers, > please note those servers aren't for general purpose whatever you want to > use them for servers. > > You've been granted access to them to work on specific projects, if a new > project comes up please file an RFR and discuss on the list before you > start working on it. Does this applies to the software that I may want to test for different fedora related projects? I ask this question because I use pt15/16 for that often. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Karnataka, India From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Dec 3 01:59:31 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:59:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: Reminder about the test servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > If you are in sysadmin-test or have access to the publictest servers, > > please note those servers aren't for general purpose whatever you want to > > use them for servers. > > > > You've been granted access to them to work on specific projects, if a new > > project comes up please file an RFR and discuss on the list before you > > start working on it. > > > Does this applies to the software that I may want to test for > different fedora related projects? I ask this question because I use > pt15/16 for that often. > Depends, if you're testing things for the calendaring system for example, it's expected that you'd be trying several packages out. If you suddenly install snort because you want to see about setting it up, that would need an RFR. -Mike From stickster at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 15:33:41 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:33:41 -0500 Subject: Elections and infrastructure Message-ID: <20091203153341.GH2848@victoria.internal.frields.org> Although Mike McGrath and the Infrastructure team don't expect the server relocation to affect our upcoming elections, we want to make sure the community's ability to vote is not unnecessarily affected given the timing. The original voting period was December 8-15, and the infrastructure move is occurring over the weekend of the 12th: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg00000.html https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 I talked this morning with Mike, John Rose, and Nigel Jones, and here's the plan we arrived at: * The voting period will start on December 5 instead of December 8. This ensures that, no matter what unforeseen circumstances occur, there will be a full weekend of uninterrupted voting time available to all community members. All townhalls will be finished by that point, since none are planned for FUDCon at this time. * Although Mike and the Infrastructure team believe they can keep the elections open throughout the move, in the event of any substantial outage (8 hours or more), we will extend the end of voting by an additional day. For any additional day of outage, we'll extend the end of voting by another additional day. Again, we aren't expecting to have to do this, but it's better for us to have a plan ahead of time. * Nigel is preparing a change to the elections app that will allow a logged in user to check the accuracy of a previously recorded vote. This will give an additional measure of confidence in the election system, even in the event of a brief outage. If any user detects a problem, they can report it via IRC, email to the infrastructure list, or a Trac ticket. * Mike is preparing a blog post to the Planet to further spread the word about the infrastructure move. Nigel and I will also post blog entries about the information you see here, and I'll send out announcements to the appropriate mailing lists. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 3 20:41:01 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:41:01 -0500 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-12-03 Message-ID: <20091203204101.GA27324@alpha.rzhou.org> 20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 20:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 3 20:00:39 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00 * mmcgrath see's an a-k 20:00 < mmcgrath> a-k: you going to fudcon by chance? 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic who's here? 20:01 < a-k> Nope. Sorry. It would probably be great. 20:01 * mmcgrath is 20:01 * ricky 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: who's here? 20:01 * abadger1999 here 20:01 * a-k is 20:01 < mmcgrath> a-k: that's the nice thing about fudcons, there's always another one in the future :) 20:01 * SmootherFrOgZ is 20:01 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: present 20:01 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: you fudconing it? 20:01 -!- tmz [n=tmz at fedora/tmz] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: yep 20:01 < mmcgrath> excellent. 20:02 < Ac-town> ello' 20:02 * ricky will unfortunately be buried in finals/work for FUDCon/The Move :-( 20:03 < mmcgrath> ricky: that's ok, it happens. 20:03 < mmcgrath> well, lets get started. 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic Meeting Tickets 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Meeting Tickets 20:03 * mmcgrath is slowly pulling it up 20:03 < mmcgrath> and no meeting tickets. 20:03 < mmcgrath> well that's easy 20:03 < mmcgrath> #topic FUDCon 20:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: FUDCon 20:03 < mmcgrath> so lots of us will be at fudcon 20:04 < mmcgrath> who all at the meeting is going? 20:04 * nirik won't be making it this time, happy to hang out on irc if I can provide input for anyone/anything tho. 20:04 < mmcgrath> aww 20:04 * dgilmore will be tehre 20:04 < ricky> To all that are going, have a safe trip :-) 20:05 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:05 < mmcgrath> Well, hopefully nothing will go completely bad. 20:05 < mmcgrath> lets talk a bit about what infrastructure related stuff will be going on 20:05 < mmcgrath> J5: ping 20:05 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ping 20:06 * abadger1999 will be if thisplane gets me to BOS for the bus :-) 20:06 < mmcgrath> Will you guys be having any sort of moksha / fedora community hackfests? 20:06 < J5> mmcgrath: hey, I haven't planned any as I want to concentrate on the messaging stuff 20:06 < mmcgrath> ah, so a specific focus on getting plans ready for qpid? 20:07 < J5> mmcgrath: for me at least. I think luke is doing some moksh stuff 20:07 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: do you have any F-I specific hackfests? 20:07 < abadger1999> J5: You and Oxf13 leading that together? 20:07 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: At least jds2001 and I will be working on pkgdb together. 20:07 < J5> abadger1999: 0xf13 is running the hackfest and there are two other amqp talks 20:08 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: I want to work on a little light porting to amqp 20:08 < abadger1999> And then I'm running a Packaging Committee hackfest that may take most of my hackfest time. 20:08 < mmcgrath> yeah, I think mdomsch wanted a crash course in how to dance with amqp 20:09 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:09 < mmcgrath> I'm planning on having a virt_web hackfest for those interested in web based virtualization 20:10 < mmcgrath> but that's only mildly F-I related. 20:10 < SmootherFrOgZ> cool 20:10 < mmcgrath> that's really all I've got on FUDCon, anyone have anything else? 20:11 < mmcgrath> alllrighty 20:11 < mmcgrath> #topic The Move 20:11 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The Move 20:11 < mmcgrath> so yeah, did everyone see my announcement on this? 20:11 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 <--- there it is! 20:11 < mmcgrath> so I'm a little worried about how this whole move is going to go. 20:12 -!- easter_egg [n=freeman at 201-75-22-126-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br] has quit "System going down for system halt NOW ><" 20:12 < mmcgrath> lots of stuff that was supposed to be done weeks ago is still not done. 20:12 < mmcgrath> and I have no ETA on when it will get done. 20:12 < mmcgrath> and this has thrown a massive wrench into our plans. 20:12 < mmcgrath> which is why the "Services still in question" in ticket 1845 is so large. 20:13 < Ac-town> What needs to be done? 20:13 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:13 < mmcgrath> Ideally, the 5 servers we have in the new colo would be powered on and networked right now. 20:13 < mmcgrath> That way I could do a dump and load of our databases on it. 20:14 < mmcgrath> we'd have a short down time for our databases.. but then on actual move day, they'd stay up. 20:15 < mmcgrath> Ac-town: but right now we're blocking on network. 20:15 < mmcgrath> and it's not a matter of getting an IP address for those hosts. 20:15 < mmcgrath> they have to design the new vlan, hook us up to the core switches, and expose us to the internet. 20:15 < mmcgrath> and I just have no idea the status of all that at this time. 20:15 < lmacken> mmcgrath: pong; yeah, I'm hoping to get people interested in a Moksha / Fedora Community hackfest 20:16 < mmcgrath> lmacken: coolz 20:16 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Have they pushed out our timeline any more? 20:16 < abadger1999> (ie, no longer the end of the year to be moved) ? 20:16 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: nope. The move happens on the 12th. 20:16 < abadger1999> okee dokee 20:16 < mmcgrath> I've already got flight and hotel booked. 20:16 < mmcgrath> it's amazing to me this was supposed to be done in late november :-/ 20:17 < mmcgrath> lmacken: is fedoracommunity only deployed in PHX? 20:17 < lmacken> mmcgrath: deployed on app1-7, iirc.. 20:17 * mmcgrath wonders if since it doesn't have a data layer if it could be moed to the services that will remain up section. 20:17 -!- fraggle_ [n=fraggle at bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:17 < mmcgrath> k, that's good. 20:18 < mmcgrath> So I guess for this to work we need just 2 things 20:18 < mmcgrath> 1) vpn 20:18 * ricky wouldn't be surprised if FAS being down cascaded into making fedoracommunity down or useless :-( 20:18 < mmcgrath> 2) databases. 20:18 < mmcgrath> ricky: that's a good question 20:18 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: if FAS is down, is anonymous browsing on our TG apps down? 20:18 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: yes 20:19 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: We might be able to fix that with tg2 but tg1 will gobust. 20:19 < mmcgrath> K 20:19 < mmcgrath> so lets prioritize the applications 20:19 * abadger1999 boarding 20:19 < mmcgrath> the account system has to be up or everything else doom sticks. 20:19 < ricky> abadger1999: Have a nice flight 20:20 < mmcgrath> the voting app should stay up because there's voting going on 20:20 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: be safe, wear shoes! 20:20 < ricky> Hehe 20:20 < abadger1999> Shoes? What are those? 20:20 < mmcgrath> armor for your feet! 20:20 < SmootherFrOgZ> haha 20:21 < mmcgrath> Oh! and mail 20:21 < mmcgrath> ugh 20:21 < mmcgrath> it's ok if zodbot isn't around for a while. 20:21 < ricky> Is there a legal issue related to mail> 20:21 < mmcgrath> ricky: there are. 20:21 < mmcgrath> I have a meeting with eric this afternoon about some of this stuff. 20:21 -!- pjones [n=pjones at fedora/pjones] has quit "Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0" 20:21 < ricky> Would it be acceptible to route through Red Hat MXes from outside of PHX? 20:22 -!- SMParrish_mobile [n=smparris at 32.128.93.244] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:22 < ricky> **acceptable 20:22 -!- pjones [n=pjones at fedora/pjones] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:22 < mmcgrath> ricky: that's on my list of questions for this afternoon. 20:23 < mmcgrath> I'm almost tempted to have pkgdb and bodhi in the down column just to help protect the data. 20:24 < mmcgrath> but bodhi is publically used to get info about security updates and things, and that is important. 20:24 < abadger1999> lmacken: Can bodhi survive w/out pkgdb up? 20:24 < lmacken> abadger1999: should be able to... update submissions won't work, obviously 20:24 < ricky> If bodhi is up, then db must be up, which means that fas/pkgdb can be up as well 20:25 -!- SMParrish_mobile [n=smparris at 32.128.93.244] has quit Client Quit 20:25 < ricky> Will pushes continue to happen during the outage? 20:25 < lmacken> actually, it still may work w/o the pkgdb, but I assume koji will be done so it will break submissions anyway 20:25 < mmcgrath> ricky: the thing is they might be up on a grossly underpowered machine 20:25 < ricky> If not, then the email notifications from bodhi will be up to date 20:25 < ricky> Ah 20:25 < mmcgrath> ugh, this problem is so easy to solve if the hardware had been installed. 20:26 < mmcgrath> the other thing I'm not clear on is even if the network is online right now, will it stay online through the move? 20:26 < mmcgrath> For all I know they might be switching out gear during that time. 20:26 < mmcgrath> also on my list of questions... 20:26 < mmcgrath> anyway, does anyone have any other questions about this? 20:26 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: Do we need new update submission for security updates?.... thinking yes... unless we can just route everything through admins or something. 20:26 < mmcgrath> I suspect we'll be talking about it in greater detail. 20:26 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I've been talking with releng about how to do an emergency package push if need be. 20:27 -!- ivazquez [n=ivazquez at fedora/ignacio] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:27 < abadger1999> k 20:27 < mmcgrath> since the whole buildsystem will just be gone, it's likely we'd be doing all of it out of band anyway 20:27 * ricky wonders when the netapp will be moved and what will go with that 20:27 < mmcgrath> but if a 0 day comes out for ssh as soon as we close the truck, I think we have a plan in place for it. 20:27 < mmcgrath> ricky: the netapp will be moved at the same time 20:27 < ricky> Ah, OK. 20:28 < ricky> Also just curious - will the move come with DNS changes for everything? 20:29 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:29 < ricky> Yow 20:29 < ricky> That's pretty big :-( 20:30 < ricky> So we'd probably need to change the netapp address and the internal bugzilla address and all of our other references to .phx.fedora.redhat.com :-( 20:30 < mmcgrath> yep, lots of major stuff going on and another reason it's so bad there's so many unanswered questions at this time. 20:31 < ricky> Er, fedora.phx.redhat.com 20:31 * ricky sees why running our own DNS would have been nice :-/ 20:32 < mmcgrath> We actually will be running our own DNS by the end of this, but we'll still have to rely on their dns servers because they refuse to let us do outbound dns requests. 20:33 < mmcgrath> Ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss with that? If not I'll open the floor 20:35 < mmcgrath> ok 20:35 < mmcgrath> #topic open floor 20:35 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: open floor 20:35 -!- mdomsch [n=Matt_Dom at 24.174.2.245] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:35 < mmcgrath> a-k: how goes the great search search? 20:35 * nirik is happy to help with anything from here on the move or coverage while people are at fudcon. 20:35 < mmcgrath> nirik: thanks 20:36 < a-k> I don't think huzaifas has been able to evaluate candidates lately, but I need to follow up with him. 20:36 < a-k> I think we'll still have some candidates for public testing in January. 20:36 * ricky will try to be kind of around between finals studying 20:36 < bochecha> I wanted to add something about the search engine topic 20:36 < a-k> That's it from me, so take it. 20:36 < mmcgrath> bochecha: sure 20:36 * lmacken is working on some Moksha/Fedora Community demos for this weekend that use Fedora's AMQP broker. 20:36 < bochecha> don't know exactly where you guys are on the subject, but today at work I learned about Whoosh, a Python search engine that we're going to use for our apps 20:37 < lmacken> Hoping to get a lot of AMQP movement this weekend 20:37 < bochecha> it's not listed on the wiki page or the ticket in trac, so I thought I'd let you know about it, in case you hadn't considered it yet 20:37 < lmacken> bochecha: interesting 20:37 < mmcgrath> a-k: ^^ you guys looked at whoosh at all? 20:37 < bochecha> http://whoosh.ca/ 20:37 -!- dwmw2 [n=ctrlprox at twosheds.infradead.org] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:37 < a-k> I can add it to the list. 20:37 < mmcgrath> cool 20:37 < mmcgrath> bochecha: thanks 20:37 < a-k> Most of the problems with search engines is they're just search engines. 20:38 < a-k> You have to write your own apps to interface with them. 20:38 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:38 < a-k> I'm trying to avoid those. 20:38 < mmcgrath> +1 to not writing and maintaining stuff we don't have to 20:38 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss? 20:39 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meeting 20:40 < mmcgrath> ok 20:40 < mmcgrath> closing in 10 20:40 -!- brunowolff [n=bruno at cerberus.csd.uwm.edu] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:40 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:40 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:40 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Dec 3 20:40:16 2009 UTC. 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Please test drive at: https://partner-bugzilla.redhat.com Over the years Red Hat has made substantial customizations to Bugzilla to fit into the Engineering tool chain. Over time the upstream has incorporated some of these customizations or solved them in different ways. Upgrading reduces our customization footprint (and thus maintenance) while bringing many bug fixes & enhancements. The main area of focus for our public betas are stability. Functionality that currently works in our 3.2 code base should continue to work as expected in the new 3.4 release. These include various ajax optimizations, needinfo actor support, frontpage.cgi, product browser, several various UI enhancements, and of course the XMLRPC API. Please feel free to point your various scripts and third party applications that use the XMLRPC API at the test server to make sure they continue to function properly. There are numerous other changes behind the scenes that we haven't listed. The goal is to make sure that functionality that people have come to expect in 3.2 is possible in the new system. There are also numerous new features/fixes that are part of the upstream 3.4 release. For more detailed information on what has changed since the last release, check out the Release Notes page. The database is a recent snapshot of the live database so should be useful for testing to make sure the information is displayed properly and changeable. Also with a full snapshot it is possible to test for any performance related issues. Email has been disabled so that unnecessary spam is not sent out. So feel free to make changes to bugs to verify proper working order. We are asking for everyone to get involved as much as possible with testing and feedback on the beta releases to help us make this the most robust and stable release possible. Please file any enhancement requests or bug reports in our current Bugzilla system at bugzilla.redhat.com. File them under the Bugzilla product and relevant component with the version 3.4. With everyone's help we can make this a great release. Thanks The Red Hat Bugzilla Team From john at stantonnet.org Fri Dec 4 02:14:46 2009 From: john at stantonnet.org (John Stanton) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:14:46 -0400 Subject: Intro In-Reply-To: <4B103CAE.4030904@fedoraproject.org> References: <1259355383.4392.10.camel@localhost> <4B103CAE.4030904@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B187096.2060404@stantonnet.org> Hi, Sorry for the late reply, No I have never thought about that. I will take a look at the link. Thanks, John Stanton, RHCE john at stantonnet.org On 11/27/2009 04:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 11/28/2009 02:26 AM, John Stanton wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I always suck at these things, but here goes. >> >> I have been using Fedora for the past year and am loving it. I am >> looking to gain more experience and skills. Also I am wanting to >> contribute however I can to the fedora project. >> >> I can also contribute 20gb of space and around 900GB to 1000GB of >> bandwidth per month. >> > Quick question: Have you consider setting your system as a Fedora mirror? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 4 19:13:49 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:13:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <179d19d0912021354r6a2c54eagac5dd0075325e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <179d19d0912021354r6a2c54eagac5dd0075325e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Dec 2009, Patrick Day wrote: > Hello All, > > My name is Patrick Day, and I have been using Fedora for a few years now, and I absolutely enjoy working with it. I like > it so much in fact that I have decided to contribute to the Fedora community. I have been a Software Test Engineer in > many different facets (I will also sign up for the QA project) for about 4.5 yrs, and as such I gained valuable > experience in writing scripts, programming, and debugging; I seek to contribute whatever I can. I am interested in the > infrastructure project because I would to refine and improve my programming skills in general. If anyone has any > questions about my experience please feel free to contact me. > The qa group is a great up-and-comming group in that there are several massive changes going on in that group. Given your experience I'm sure you'll do well. 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Frields) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:58:09 -0500 Subject: Docs Installation Guide - Submission and Download problem In-Reply-To: <6d4237680912040051k15738b01x4b310e36a47eb83d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B0B62F8.5090601@redhat.com> <4B14BEDA.9030504@gmail.com> <4B15C3A7.2020405@redhat.com> <6d4237680912012347t5f53cc1apba4e5682465b3e84@mail.gmail.com> <4B174117.7070606@redhat.com> <6d4237680912040051k15738b01x4b310e36a47eb83d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091209235809.GH9741@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 10:51:59AM +0200, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > 2009/12/3 Ruediger Landmann : > > On 12/02/2009 05:47 PM, Dimitris Glezos wrote: > >> > >> Rudi, you could clear the cache and refresh it. > >> > > > > Really? How do I do that? I'd thought that a button like that would be useful for the > > maintainer of a project > > This button is available on the web interface on component pages for > maintainers. > > > , not least of which because changes to a POT in the repo don't automatically > > trigger a refresh (of course!) while submissions of updated POs do. > > This functionality has been available in Transifex for a while, it's > just that Fedora is still running an old (and unmaintained) version. Diego posted the summary of what needs to be done here: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1455#comment:10 In short, we need a few people to step up and help with the process Diego posted. We already do have a L10n Admin group[1] that should be overseeing and managing this process, to ensure a successful rollout for translators. Their charter is to maintain the infrastructure for translators, and this clearly falls into that area. I've heard from two of the people in that group that they can't do all this work themselves, but haven't heard from Ankit or Asgeir about it. What I would suggest is that Diego should help with bullet #4 on that list, as it probably requires the greatest degree of specific technical knowledge, in this case a database upgrade. The rest of the work on that ticket could likely be done entirely by the remainder of the team, maybe with limited input from Diego. It would be helpful for Asgeir or Ankit to help manage this set of tasks in collaboration with Diego, who has appropriate package access. (I'm cc'ing Ignacio directly as well, so he can add appropriate CVS access for any other people who are willing to help maintain the EL-5 package used on our Infrastructure.) Without help, it's doubtful there will be a new Transifex rolled out, and that means some of the problems people are experiencing will continue, even though they're already fixed upstream. I'm cc'ing the docs, devel, and infrastructure lists to see if any of the people in areas well served by translators are willing to help see this project through. It's time to pull together, guys, and see if we can help the translators who give so much across the whole Fedora Project. * * * [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tools#Website -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Dec 10 07:15:30 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:15:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC', which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' Affected Services: Database Fedora Hosted (Just auth against trac) Translation Services Websites Unaffected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control DNS Fedora Talk Fedora People Mail Mirror System Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 Reason for Outage: Our temporary DB hosts are in PHX are ready to take on load. We're going to shut down db1 and db2, do an rsync then bring them up. During this time we'll also be configuring our new VPN. Also, a reminder for those who don't read the link, we'll be having a massive outage of many Fedora services this weekend while we are moving our servers to a new location. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From onekopaka at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 07:25:20 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:25:20 -0800 Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> Mike, you kinda made a little mistake with your date command.. The date command should return "Fri Dec 11 02:00:00 UTC 2009" Darren L. VanBuren ===================== http://theoks.net/ On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 23:15, Mike McGrath wrote: > > There will be an outage starting at date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC', > which will last approximately 2 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or run: > > date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > > Affected Services: > > Database > Fedora Hosted (Just auth against trac) > Translation Services > Websites > > > Unaffected Services: > > Buildsystem > CVS / Source Control > DNS > Fedora Talk > Fedora People > Mail > Mirror System > Torrent > > > Ticket Link: > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 > > Reason for Outage: > > Our temporary DB hosts are in PHX are ready to take on load. ?We're going > to shut down db1 and db2, do an rsync then bring them up. ?During this > time we'll also be configuring our new VPN. > > Also, a reminder for those who don't read the link, we'll be having a > massive outage of many Fedora services this weekend while we are moving > our servers to a new location. > > Contact Information: > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to > track the status of this outage. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Dec 10 16:59:46 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:59:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote: > Mike, you kinda made a little mistake with your date command.. > > The date command should return "Fri Dec 11 02:00:00 UTC 2009" > ? I'm getting the right time - $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' Thu Dec 10 20:00:00 CST 2009 That's the local time for me for the outage. -Mike > Darren L. VanBuren > ===================== > http://theoks.net/ > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 23:15, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > There will be an outage starting at date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC', > > which will last approximately 2 hours. > > > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > > or run: > > > > date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > > > > Affected Services: > > > > Database > > Fedora Hosted (Just auth against trac) > > Translation Services > > Websites > > > > > > Unaffected Services: > > > > Buildsystem > > CVS / Source Control > > DNS > > Fedora Talk > > Fedora People > > Mail > > Mirror System > > Torrent > > > > > > Ticket Link: > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 > > > > Reason for Outage: > > > > Our temporary DB hosts are in PHX are ready to take on load. ?We're going > > to shut down db1 and db2, do an rsync then bring them up. ?During this > > time we'll also be configuring our new VPN. > > > > Also, a reminder for those who don't read the link, we'll be having a > > massive outage of many Fedora services this weekend while we are moving > > our servers to a new location. > > > > Contact Information: > > > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to > > track the status of this outage. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From onekopaka at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 18:05:10 2009 From: onekopaka at gmail.com (Darren VanBuren) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:05:10 -0800 Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: References: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No, I mean it didn't get executed. Darren VanBuren ------------------------- Sent from my iPod Take control of your desktop with Fedora 11. Reign. http://fedoraproject.org/ On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:59, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote: > >> Mike, you kinda made a little mistake with your date command.. >> >> The date command should return "Fri Dec 11 02:00:00 UTC 2009" >> > > ? I'm getting the right time - > > $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' > Thu Dec 10 20:00:00 CST 2009 > > That's the local time for me for the outage. > > -Mike > >> Darren L. VanBuren >> ===================== >> http://theoks.net/ >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 23:15, Mike McGrath >> wrote: >>> >>> There will be an outage starting at date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 >>> UTC', >>> which will last approximately 2 hours. >>> >>> To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto >>> or run: >>> >>> date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' >>> >>> Affected Services: >>> >>> Database >>> Fedora Hosted (Just auth against trac) >>> Translation Services >>> Websites >>> >>> >>> Unaffected Services: >>> >>> Buildsystem >>> CVS / Source Control >>> DNS >>> Fedora Talk >>> Fedora People >>> Mail >>> Mirror System >>> Torrent >>> >>> >>> Ticket Link: >>> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 >>> >>> Reason for Outage: >>> >>> Our temporary DB hosts are in PHX are ready to take on load. >>> We're going >>> to shut down db1 and db2, do an rsync then bring them up. During >>> this >>> time we'll also be configuring our new VPN. >>> >>> Also, a reminder for those who don't read the link, we'll be >>> having a >>> massive outage of many Fedora services this weekend while we are >>> moving >>> our servers to a new location. >>> >>> Contact Information: >>> >>> Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this >>> email to >>> track the status of this outage. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list >>> Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list >> Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list >> > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 10 19:11:21 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: References: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Dec 2009, Darren VanBuren wrote: > No, I mean it didn't get executed. > It's not supposed to get executed. By cutting and pasting that command you get the output for YOUR local timezone. -sv From mmcgrath at redhat.com Thu Dec 10 19:55:00 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:55:00 -0600 (CST) Subject: Meeting reminder Message-ID: Sorry for the short notice but just a reminder we have a meeting in about 5 minutes. Considering the outage this weekend it would be good for people to attend so more people know exactly what is going on. -Mike From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 10 23:36:25 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:36:25 -0500 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-12-10 Message-ID: <20091210233625.GA7467@alpha.rzhou.org> 20:00 < skvidal> meeting? 20:00 * skvidal awaits 20:00 * dgilmore is here 20:00 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: 20:00 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: 20:00 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: 20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting 20:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 10 20:00:40 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? 20:00 * mmcgrath is 20:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? 20:00 * dgilmore 20:00 < mmcgrath> smooge: ping 20:00 -!- a-k [n=akistler at 2002:638e:1ba0:3:20d:56ff:fe10:bb8d] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 < smooge> here 20:01 * a-k is 20:01 < smooge> putting clothes in dryer 20:01 < mmcgrath> So the outage is this weekend, I figured we should all go over the timelines and such 20:01 < mmcgrath> jwb: This might interest you 20:01 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: ^^ 20:02 * skvidal is here 20:02 * jwb is semi here 20:02 < mmcgrath> So here's the basics 20:02 < mmcgrath> #action - Tonight we'll migrate db1, db2 and the vpn to PHX2 20:02 * nirik is sitting in the back in the cheap seats. 20:02 < a-k> mmcgrath: #topic? 20:02 < mmcgrath> #action - Sometime before Sat. Morning mail will start to go through bastion3 in PHX2 20:02 < mmcgrath> #topic Timeline 20:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Timeline 20:02 < smooge> #topic movement to PHX 20:02 < mmcgrath> #action - Tonight we'll migrate db1, db2 and the vpn to PHX2 20:03 < mmcgrath> #action - Sometime before Sat. Morning mail will start to go through bastion3 in PHX2 20:03 * mmcgrath doesn't get this bot stuff sometimes 20:03 < mmcgrath> The mail part is still in an unknown state to me 20:03 < mmcgrath> I've got a ticket open, I've pinged people about it's priority, I'm waiting to hear back. 20:03 < mmcgrath> #action - Smooge is working on some resolvers for us, those should be in place ASAP but isn't a blocker for the move. 20:03 < mmcgrath> it is a blocker to start turning things on though. 20:04 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: do we have the new bastion host up? 20:04 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: yes, bastion3.fedoraproject.org is up and running 20:04 < mmcgrath> Ok, this takes us to Friday morning. 20:04 < smooge> #action - Smooge will email out named scheme for PHX2 resolve domain 20:04 < mmcgrath> #action jwb/ someone in releng will tell me as soon as they are done writing to /mnt 20:05 < mmcgrath> #action at that time I'll mount the public mirrors as read only. 20:05 < jwb> mmcgrath, will likely be two sets of things there 20:05 < jwb> updates, and rawhide 20:05 < mmcgrath> jwb: totally fine, just let me know when it's done. 20:05 < jwb> k 20:05 < mmcgrath> Ok, this is where the coordination stuff happens. 20:05 < mmcgrath> I'll be flying to PHX at noon on Friday. 20:05 < mmcgrath> smooge: when do you leave? 20:06 < smooge> I leave at ~0900 tomorrow morning 20:06 < mmcgrath> that's localtime? 20:06 < dgilmore> smooge: MST 20:06 -!- Sonar_Guy [i=Who at fedora/sonarguy] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 20:06 < mmcgrath> k 20:07 < mmcgrath> We both have access to PHX1 and PHX2 from Friday to Wed I believe 20:07 * SmootherFrOgZ is around 20:07 < smooge> sorry 0800 tomorrow mornign ariving at ~0900 MST 20:07 < mmcgrath> k 20:07 < mmcgrath> So I'll be heading to PHX1 in the afternoon to give everything a final look over 20:07 < mmcgrath> this is still Friday. 20:08 -!- Sonar_Guy [i=Who at fedora/sonarguy] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:08 < smooge> mmcgrath, when do you get there 20:08 < mmcgrath> I'll probably shut down stuff like db1 since it's not being used at that point. 20:08 < smooge> nm.. see now 20:08 < mmcgrath> I get in at 3:30 20:08 < smooge> 03:30 or 15:30 20:08 < mmcgrath> 15 20:08 < skvidal> what's the plan for mail at this point? 20:09 * mdomsch is here finally 20:09 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I said that already :) 20:09 < skvidal> oh 20:09 < skvidal> it had just scrolled off 20:09 < skvidal> so I missed it on the divider :( 20:09 < skvidal> sorry 20:09 < mmcgrath> skvidal: I've got a ticket open and have pinged people about it's priority 20:09 < mmcgrath> no worries. 20:09 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping for that to get done tonight, if it's not done by then I'm going to need to hand that off to someone to keep bugging people until it gets done because I won't be around on Friday 20:09 < mmcgrath> skvidal: but the good news is we aren't the blockers on that AFAIK. 20:10 < mmcgrath> bastion3 is setup and listening and ready to forward mail. 20:10 < mmcgrath> Ok, so here's what is left 20:10 < mmcgrath> #action Friday night they'll be configuring the new netapp head unit in PHX2 20:10 < mmcgrath> Then sleep 20:10 < mmcgrath> #action Smooge and Mike will meet at PHX1 at 05:15 am 20:11 < mmcgrath> #action Disable nagios 20:11 < mmcgrath> #action make a final backup of sigul and a few other bits (this will probably be done the night before, just forgot to meniton it) 20:11 < mmcgrath> #action power everything down 20:11 < mmcgrath> #action movers will arrive at 05:45 to move 20:11 < jwb> action pray 20:11 < jwb> :) 20:12 < mmcgrath> The movers will actually be helping us unhook cables and such. 20:12 < mmcgrath> oh 20:12 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: buildsys we should disable friday night 20:12 < mmcgrath> #action I'll be taking a sigul drive, and smooge will have the other. 20:12 < jwb> ah, good 20:12 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: we can do it that morning if we want or the night before 20:12 < smooge> mmcgrath, make sure its got both as being bootable. 20:12 < mmcgrath> The movers themselves will actually be loading the entire racks onto the truck. 20:12 < smooge> sorry thats meant more as I need to ... 20:13 < smooge> mmcgrath, they will be? 20:13 < mmcgrath> yep, I have no idea how that'll work but I bet it's going to be wicked awesome. 20:13 < smooge> we aren't getting new racks in PHX or they will move them from one to another there? 20:13 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: lets do it at night make sure all in progress builds complete 20:13 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: sure 20:13 < mmcgrath> #action meet the movers at PHX2 where they'll unload the racks 20:14 < mmcgrath> #action we'll then be moving servers from the old racks (which I guess are now sitting near the new racks) and re-racking everything. 20:14 * mmcgrath will bring bandaids 20:14 < mmcgrath> now this is where part of our story has changed a bit 20:14 < mmcgrath> we were under the impression contractors would be on site to re-wire everything 20:14 < mmcgrath> that's not true 20:14 < pjones> bandaids? consider stopping by autozone and getting some work gloves. 20:15 < mmcgrath> Jonathan (the guy normally onsite at PHX2) is going to be pre-wiring some of the racks. 20:15 < mmcgrath> depending on how far he gets we may have a lot of cabling to do ourselves or none. 20:15 < smooge> pjones, I have had a rack go through teflon armored gloves.. they need blood to work 20:15 < mmcgrath> :) 20:15 < mdomsch> as electronics need smoke 20:15 < pjones> surely you mean kevlar? 20:15 < mmcgrath> so lets see where that leaves us... 20:16 < mmcgrath> #action start powering services back on 20:16 < mmcgrath> let me get the priority list... 20:16 < pjones> (and in any case; knives go through kevlar more easily than they go through canvas. the high velocity of something like a bullet is where kevlar gets its strength from...) 20:16 < mmcgrath> #action get the app servers online first 20:16 < mmcgrath> #action then the buildsystem 20:17 < mmcgrath> I only put them in that order because the app servers should be very straight forward. 20:17 < dgilmore> do we have dhcp? 20:17 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: yeah, and we run it 20:17 -!- sijis_afk [n=sijis at 70.131.83.26] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:17 < dgilmore> should we reconfigure all the builders first for the new networks 20:17 * mmcgrath is skipping the network config stuff for a later part of the meeting 20:17 < dgilmore> ok 20:17 < mmcgrath> because some of it is quite a bit different 20:17 < mmcgrath> but we'll get to that. 20:17 < mmcgrath> Now it's while we're re-racking this stuff that we will need help from people. 20:18 < mmcgrath> I've already worked on a checklist via CSI 20:18 < mmcgrath> basically I'm looking for people to re-certify these hosts 20:18 < mmcgrath> what does that mean? 20:18 < smooge> pjones, I meant kevlar.. but teflon would expect why I couldn't hold anything 20:18 < mmcgrath> verify remote management, power and cyclades works, as well as network. 20:18 < mmcgrath> this is stuff anyone in sysadmin-main can do. 20:19 < mmcgrath> Ok, so any questions about that? 20:19 < smooge> mmcgrath, pointer to checklist 20:19 < mmcgrath> smooge: I'm going to be adding that info to the ticket in a moment - 20:19 < mmcgrath> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 20:19 < smooge> ok cool 20:19 < mmcgrath> Ok, so as far as timeline goes and the physical work of things are there any questions? 20:20 < mmcgrath> Sometime after the move we'll be moving the db hosts back to their normal machines. 20:20 < mmcgrath> Ok, so the next topic is about what the PHX2 world will look like. 20:20 < mmcgrath> #topic PHX2 - what does it look like? 20:20 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: PHX2 - what does it look like? 20:21 < mmcgrath> So in PHX2 we're going to have 3 networks and might add a 4th one later. 20:21 < mmcgrath> The 3 networks are as follows 20:21 -!- rdieter [n=rdieter at ip174-71-102-133.om.om.cox.net] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:21 < mmcgrath> 1) public network - 10.5.126 20:21 < mmcgrath> 2) build network - 10.5.125 20:21 < mmcgrath> 2) storage network - 10.5.127 20:21 < mmcgrath> the majority of our services will end up on the buidl network 20:21 < mmcgrath> that should be 3) storage :) 20:22 < mmcgrath> and the majority of our services will end up on the public network, not build. 20:22 * mmcgrath needs more sleep. 20:22 < mmcgrath> the build network will be mostly for releng 20:22 < mmcgrath> and the storage network will be for nfs traffic and possibly backups. 20:22 < mmcgrath> I'm going to be doing tests to find out where backups best work and have the least impact on other things. 20:23 < mmcgrath> This also means that several of our hosts will now have multiple IP addresses. 20:23 -!- notting [n=notting at redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:23 < mmcgrath> for example relengX will be on the build and storage network. 20:23 < mmcgrath> we won't be routing them. 20:23 -!- sandorlev [n=sandorle at 87.97.110.134.pool.invitel.hu] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:23 < mmcgrath> Anyone have any questions on this? 20:23 < sandorlev> hello 20:24 < mmcgrath> Ok. so that's really it. 20:24 < mmcgrath> I'm working on a spreadsheet right now that I'd appreciate some second looks at. 20:24 < mdomsch> I presume we'll only have DNS A records for the inbound service IPs on those dual-homed boxes 20:25 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I believe so. 20:25 < mdomsch> e.g. build1's IP on network 3 won't have an A record 20:25 < mmcgrath> we'll be running our own DNS servers in PHX2, smooge is working on that now. 20:25 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: correct but it will probably have a reverse. 20:25 < mmcgrath> smooge: what do you think? 20:25 < smooge> i am going to have two boxes eventually but at the moment just one.. ns001.phx2.fedoraproject.org 20:26 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, makes sense 20:26 < mdomsch> reverse is good to keep track of allocated addresses at least 20:27 < smooge> the hosts will just be on the phx2 subdomain which will be a 'hidden' domain (not on public dns since it will contain 192 and 10.x ips) 20:27 < mmcgrath> smooge: also on the meeting yesterday I think it was requested that we RH to still be able to do lookups and reverse lookups so we might be stuck doing fedora.phx2.redhat.com 20:27 < mmcgrath> unless there's an easy way to just mask it for them? 20:27 * mmcgrath hasn't thought about that much. 20:27 < smooge> I am going to keep it simple in version one because we don't ahve a lot of time.. but dual homed would be later 20:28 < smooge> mmcgrath, I think in either case they will be able to do zone transfers from our servers 20:28 < mmcgrath> smooge: wise idea 20:28 < mmcgrath> Ok, so any questions about this? 20:28 < smooge> so we could call it fedoraproject.int and it should be good 20:29 < mmcgrath> at present there is no firewall preventing access to or from any of the 3 networks I've listed. 20:29 < mmcgrath> we'll be doing that later, just ran out of time. 20:29 < nb> i would suggest not using .int because .int is a real TLD 20:29 < smooge> nb it was a joke sorry 20:29 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:29 < nb> smooge, oh ok :) 20:29 < mmcgrath> Ok, so anyone else have any questions about this? 20:29 < mmcgrath> I really have no estimate for how long this will take. 20:30 < mmcgrath> I've never moved this many machines before and I have no idea how much is already done and how many people we'll have helping 20:30 < smooge> mmcgrath, you are leaving on Tuesday correct? 20:30 < smooge> smooge will be leaving on Wednesday so we wont lose coverage afterwords 20:30 < smooge> and we have problems like "Oh crap that disk drive didn't make it." 20:30 < mmcgrath> smooge: I'm not sure actually I need to look at my trip info. 20:31 < smooge> in case of real emergency I will just get back in the car and drive back til we are stable. 20:31 < mmcgrath> so that's really all I have to discuss 20:31 < mmcgrath> anyone else have any questions or comments? 20:31 < mmcgrath> if not I'll get back to my IP list and let smooge get back to DNS stuff. 20:32 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:32 < nb> anything non-main people can do to help? 20:32 < mmcgrath> #topic open floor 20:32 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: open floor 20:32 < mmcgrath> nb: I'm hoping the non-main people will help with logistics and troubleshooting 20:32 < nb> ok 20:32 < mmcgrath> when the services start coming back online and interacting with eachother I suspect there will be lots of little bugs 20:32 < mmcgrath> like say, app2's network is behaving poorly 20:33 < mmcgrath> nb: but also keeping watch in #fedora-admin and #fedora 20:33 * stickster wants to say a big "thank you" from all the people in Fedora that won't know to whom they should say it... for working so hard to keep us in business during the move. 20:34 < mmcgrath> nb: but yeah, when stuff comes back online smooge and I will probably say stuff like "the wiki is back" 20:34 < mmcgrath> we'll need verification of that :) 20:34 -!- sandorlev [n=sandorle at 87.97.110.134.pool.invitel.hu] has quit "Have to go" 20:34 < nb> ok 20:34 < sijis_afk> i know i've missed most of the meeting.. but its this weekend, right? 20:34 < mmcgrath> sijis_afk: correct. 20:34 < mmcgrath> stickster: :) 20:34 < mmcgrath> any other questions? 20:34 < sijis_afk> i should be around and help if possible 20:34 -!- sijis_afk is now known as sijis 20:35 < mmcgrath> when I'm done with this IP list I could use some extra eyes 20:35 * nb will be around saturday and sunday afternoon/evening 20:35 < mmcgrath> Anyone that'll be around in the next hour or so just look, try to find duplicates or where I've done something stupid. 20:35 < nb> mmcgrath, ok 20:35 < mmcgrath> If no one has anything else, I'll close the meeting in 30 20:36 < mmcgrath> alllrighty 20:36 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:36 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:36 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 20:36:46 2009 UTC. 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Whereas: $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' Fri Dec 11 03:00:00 CET 2009 > > > Ticket Link: > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 and a previous mail both say Dec 12th. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Dec 12 00:36:29 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:36:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: <20091211232248.642ef014@gmx.net> References: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> <20091211232248.642ef014@gmx.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Dec 2009, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:59:46 -0600 (CST), Mike wrote: > > > $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' > > Thu Dec 10 20:00:00 CST 2009 > > > > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > > > > or run: > > > > > > > > date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > > Above is the mistake the replies in this thread refer to: > > $ date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > date: extra operand `UTC' > Try `date --help' for more information. > > Whereas: > > $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' > Fri Dec 11 03:00:00 CET 2009 > > > > > Ticket Link: > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 > > and a previous mail both say Dec 12th. > Correct, they were different outages, this last one was just a prep outage. The real longer outage starts several hours from now. -Mike From smooge at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 02:41:57 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:41:57 -0700 Subject: Outage Notification - date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' In-Reply-To: <20091211232248.642ef014@gmx.net> References: <407b25020912092325t350dae44r793b1c8223ff15f6@mail.gmail.com> <20091211232248.642ef014@gmx.net> Message-ID: <80d7e4090912111841l1544d0e5w14fb031cfe22ed46@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:59:46 -0600 (CST), Mike wrote: > >> $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' >> Thu Dec 10 20:00:00 CST 2009 > >> > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at >> > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto >> > > or run: >> > > >> > > date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > > Above is the mistake the replies in this thread refer to: > > $ date -d 'date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC'' > date: extra operand `UTC' > Try `date --help' for more information. > > Whereas: > > $ date -d '2009-12-11 02:00:00 UTC' > Fri Dec 11 03:00:00 CET 2009 Hehe. I see the issue. I think the problem is that most of us are going to be humour impaired for the next 48 hours. Please excuse us until Tuesday or Wednesday when we will have either appeased the rack gods who require blood to work.. or we have been sacrificed to Old Ones who run networking. -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Dec 12 04:18:33 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:18:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - 2009-12-12 11:00 UTC Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at 2009-12-12 11:00 UTC, which will last approximately 48 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-12-12 11:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Translation Services Websites Unaffected Services: Database DNS Fedora Hosted Fedora People Fedora Talk Mail Mirror System Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1845 Reason for Outage: This is the official outage notification that was mentioned days ago. The ticket link above will have the most up to date information and we will be coordinating the outage in #fedora-admin on irc.freenode.net. At the time specified above we will be powering down hosts, moving them on to a truck, unloading them re-racking and re-cabling and powering on. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 13:53:42 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:53:42 -0500 Subject: Voting app offline time? Message-ID: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> Has the voting app been offline during the move? If so, how long? The answer to those questions will determine whether and how long we need to extend the voting period. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From dev at nigelj.com Mon Dec 14 14:14:46 2009 From: dev at nigelj.com (Nigel Jones) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:14:46 +1000 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a VPN downtime of about an hour. All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. -- Nigel Jones On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > Has the voting app been offline during the move? ?If so, how long? > The answer to those questions will determine whether and how long we > need to extend the voting period. > > -- > Paul W. Frields ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://paul.frields.org/ > ?gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 ?5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 > ?http://redhat.com/ ? - ?- ?- ?- ? http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ > ?irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 14:51:09 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:51:09 -0500 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > VPN downtime of about an hour. > > All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Dec 14 15:27:18 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:27:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: Major dns issues Message-ID: So I woke up today and we're still having dns issues on at least one of my hosts. Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? -Mike From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Dec 14 15:36:17 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:36:17 -0500 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B265B71.1040802@kanarip.com> On 12/14/2009 10:27 AM, Mike McGrath wrote: > So I woke up today and we're still having dns issues on at least one of my > hosts. > > > Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all > their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? > I'm fine from 7 different locations in the Netherlands (including +trace), but not from the U.S. (digging on unity04.fedoraunity.org at server 64.122.217.133). -- Jeroen From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 15:42:47 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:12:47 +0530 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all > their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? Do you mean <$ dig fedoraproject.org >? (just want to be sure) If so, then it working fine for me from India. http://pastebin.com/m6a3a2f48 -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= From a.badger at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 16:13:10 2009 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:13:10 -0800 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20091214161310.GD3259@clingman.lan> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:27:18AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > So I woke up today and we're still having dns issues on at least one of my > hosts. > > > Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all > their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? > Working from three US sites I have access to. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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IN A ;; Query time: 1 msec ;; SERVER: 67.207.128.4#53(67.207.128.4) ;; WHEN: Mon Dec 14 11:16:03 2009 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 35 -sv From stickster at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 17:00:02 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:00:02 -0500 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > > We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > > fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > > VPN downtime of about an hour. > > > > All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. > > Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the > voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented a problem to voters. Toshio helpfully offered that this breakage seems to have come about as a result of a puppet commit on 2009-12-14 UTC 0310. If that's correct, and problems continue through 2009-12-15 UTC 0310, we need to extend by another day, and continue to slip that closing time by another day as needed for each 24-hour period in which the problem isn't resolved. I'll get with Nigel and ask him to slip the deadline for election voting by one additional day, so we'll be looking right now at a close of 2009-12-17 UTC 2359. Paul From mmcgrath at redhat.com Mon Dec 14 17:02:11 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:02:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > > > fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > > > VPN downtime of about an hour. > > > > > > All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. > > > > Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the > > voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) > > And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there > are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented > a problem to voters. > This one's been difficult to confirm. We know there were some issues that have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly spread issue. -Mike > Toshio helpfully offered that this breakage seems to have come about > as a result of a puppet commit on 2009-12-14 UTC 0310. If that's > correct, and problems continue through 2009-12-15 UTC 0310, we need to > extend by another day, and continue to slip that closing time by > another day as needed for each 24-hour period in which the problem > isn't resolved. > > I'll get with Nigel and ask him to slip the deadline for election > voting by one additional day, so we'll be looking right now at a close > of 2009-12-17 UTC 2359. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 14 17:08:15 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:08:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: >>>> We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to >>>> fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a >>>> VPN downtime of about an hour. >>>> >>>> All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. >>> >>> Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the >>> voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) >> >> And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there >> are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented >> a problem to voters. >> > > This one's been difficult to confirm. We know there were some issues that > have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, > which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained > about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly > spread issue. > It could also mean they are trying to email about the problems but cannot b/c their mailer won't let them email to a domain they cannot find. :( This is how I noticed the problem this morning from slicehost . -sbv From fhornain at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 20:36:51 2009 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:36:51 +0100 Subject: [FOSDEM'10] Community infrastructure talk Message-ID: <3161376e0912141236t500b0bcn5bfd6ba6de0d841d@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, Would someone be interested to make a talk on Fedora Community infrastructure at FOSDEM'10 - Belgium -? - FedoraCommunity, opensourced LaunchPad, Bugzilla extensions, etc... BTW, as the rule have changed at FOSDEM, you will do your talk with other distributions on the same subject. Thanks for your time and your help. Best Regards Frederic ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dennis at ausil.us Mon Dec 14 20:46:54 2009 From: dennis at ausil.us (Dennis Gilmore) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 14:46:54 -0600 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: <20091214161310.GD3259@clingman.lan> Message-ID: <200912141446.59411.dennis@ausil.us> On Monday 14 December 2009 10:16:30 am Seth Vidal wrote: > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:27:18AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> So I woke up today and we're still having dns issues on at least one of > >> my hosts. > >> > >> > >> Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all > >> their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? > > > > Working from three US sites I have access to. > > > > -Toshio > > Not working from slicehost's nameservers. > > dig @67.207.128.4 fedoraproject.org > > ; <<>> DiG 9.3.6-P1-RedHat-9.3.6-4.P1.el5 <<>> @67.207.128.4 > fedoraproject.org > ; (1 server found) > ;; global options: printcmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 9804 > ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 > > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;fedoraproject.org. IN A > > ;; Query time: 1 msec > ;; SERVER: 67.207.128.4#53(67.207.128.4) > ;; WHEN: Mon Dec 14 11:16:03 2009 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 35 > > -sv FWIW its working from home, my dedicated box and my box in .au two of those I run my own resolvers and not my isps. Dennis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Dec 14 21:46:53 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:46:53 +0100 Subject: [FOSDEM'10] Community infrastructure talk In-Reply-To: <3161376e0912141236t500b0bcn5bfd6ba6de0d841d@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0912141236t500b0bcn5bfd6ba6de0d841d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B26B24D.6000909@kanarip.com> On 12/14/2009 09:36 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: > Dear *, > > Would someone be interested to make a talk on Fedora Community > infrastructure at FOSDEM'10 - Belgium -? > > * FedoraCommunity, opensourced LaunchPad, Bugzilla extensions, etc... > > > BTW, as the rule have changed at FOSDEM, you will do your talk with > other distributions on the same subject. > Thanks for your time and your help. > Sure, here's a candidate! -- Jeroen From kanarip at kanarip.com Mon Dec 14 21:52:48 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:52:48 +0100 Subject: [FOSDEM'10] Community infrastructure talk In-Reply-To: <4B26B24D.6000909@kanarip.com> References: <3161376e0912141236t500b0bcn5bfd6ba6de0d841d@mail.gmail.com> <4B26B24D.6000909@kanarip.com> Message-ID: <4B26B3B0.1080501@kanarip.com> On 12/14/2009 10:46 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > On 12/14/2009 09:36 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: >> Dear *, >> >> Would someone be interested to make a talk on Fedora Community >> infrastructure at FOSDEM'10 - Belgium -? >> >> * FedoraCommunity, opensourced LaunchPad, Bugzilla extensions, etc... >> >> >> BTW, as the rule have changed at FOSDEM, you will do your talk with >> other distributions on the same subject. >> Thanks for your time and your help. >> > > Sure, here's a candidate! > I already asked permission from our fearless leader; [22:51:30] mmcgrath, that is, if you'll let me go tete-a-tete with other distributions on the topic of infrastructure ;-))) -- Jeroen From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 22:20:57 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:20:57 -0500 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: <200912141446.59411.dennis@ausil.us> References: <20091214161310.GD3259@clingman.lan> <200912141446.59411.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > FWIW its working from home, my dedicated box and my box in .au ?two of those I > run my own resolvers and not my isps. Oh, the joys of working for a tier1 ISP :) I just did a round the world trip on our resolvers (New York, DC, Boston, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London, Dallas....) and couldn't see it fail once from any location. From itamar at ispbrasil.com.br Tue Dec 15 02:37:47 2009 From: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br (Itamar Reis Peixoto) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 00:37:47 -0200 Subject: mirrors.fedoraproject.org problem? In-Reply-To: <8b660d680912141756x3b7316a6yc8e97e9e05b23858@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B26E65E.5040504@ameritech.net> <4B26EBAB.6000703@ameritech.net> <8b660d680912141756x3b7316a6yc8e97e9e05b23858@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: >>> >>> same problem for me, I have created a ipv6 tunnel and worked fine. > >> I can't get to the page either via yum or via the browser. ?However, I >> can connect to other websites with no problem. ?Very strange. > > Fedora Proj were moving *stuff* between Data Centres over the weekend > - is it possible the IP has changed and your DNS hasn't updated? > > Where are you going? > > [sam at samlap ~]$ host mirrors.fedoraproject.org > mirrors.fedoraproject.org is an alias for wildcard.fedoraproject.org. > wildcard.fedoraproject.org has address 80.239.156.215 > wildcard.fedoraproject.org has address 152.46.7.222 > wildcard.fedoraproject.org has address 66.35.62.166 > wildcard.fedoraproject.org has IPv6 address 2610:28:200:1::fed0:2 > > -- > Sam > even if you don't have a ipv6 address the 2610:28:200:1::fed0:2 have preference, because this you're not able to download updates. -- ------------ Itamar Reis Peixoto e-mail/msn/google talk/sip: itamar at ispbrasil.com.br skype: itamarjp icq: 81053601 +55 11 4063 5033 +55 34 3221 8599 From aditya.hilman at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 03:22:57 2009 From: aditya.hilman at gmail.com (aditya hilman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:22:57 +0700 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: <20091214161310.GD3259@clingman.lan> <200912141446.59411.dennis@ausil.us> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Dennis Gilmore wrote: > >> FWIW its working from home, my dedicated box and my box in .au ?two of those I >> run my own resolvers and not my isps. > > Oh, the joys of working for a tier1 ISP :) > > I just did a round the world trip on our resolvers (New York, DC, > Boston, San Francisco, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, London, Dallas....) and > couldn't see it fail once from any location. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > It's working from Indonesia. -- Regards, Adit http://simplyaddo.web.id http://simplyaddo.wordpress.com From imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 08:28:40 2009 From: imtiaz.rahi at gmail.com (Imtiaz Rahi) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:28:40 +0700 Subject: Major dns issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > So I woke up today and we're still having dns issues on at least one of my > hosts. > > > Could everyone that has access please do a dig fedoraproject.org on all > their hosts and tell me if any of them cannot resolve? > > -Mike > > working from Bangladesh. cheers // Imtiaz Rahi Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:21:53 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:21:53 -0500 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091215132153.GD10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > > >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >>>On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > >>>>We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > >>>>fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > >>>>VPN downtime of about an hour. > >>>> > >>>>All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. > >>> > >>>Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the > >>>voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) > >> > >>And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there > >>are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented > >>a problem to voters. > >> > > > >This one's been difficult to confirm. We know there were some issues that > >have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, > >which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained > >about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly > >spread issue. > > > > It could also mean they are trying to email about the problems but > cannot b/c their mailer won't let them email to a domain they cannot > find. :( > > > This is how I noticed the problem this morning from slicehost. What's the status on the DNS problems? Were they resolved, and if so, approximately when? That will tell me what we need to do for a further extension for voting. Thanks to all of you who worked on this problem and the rest of the move. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From mel at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 18:31:03 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:31:03 -0500 Subject: SOP creation made easier Message-ID: <4B27D5E7.7030204@redhat.com> Since we were directly inspired to create the Marketing SOPs by seeing how much good it's done Infrastructure to have them, I thought I'd share some back - we made a template and a SOP for making SOPs to make the SOP-generation process itself easier on folks who might not want to spend a lot of time on wiki editing. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP They're both marketing-specific at the moment, but could be cloned for Infrastructure in a few minutes. Another way to make it even easier to make SOPs would be to use http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox, which would give you a text field with a button next to it; if you type a title into the text field and hit the button, it throws you straight into the Edit page for a new page with that title, with a template you prespecify already in there. If someone wants to implement that extension, I'd be happy to do the wiki work needed to document/use it for various types of pages-that-should-be-easy-to-create once the extension is installed. --Mel -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Marketing SOPs Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:24:30 -0500 From: Mel Chua Reply-To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base To: For discussions about marketing and expanding the Fedora user base One of the projects we have between now and Alpha is to document how to create each of our primary release deliverables in the form of a SOP[0]. You can see our current SOPs here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Marketing_SOPs#How_to_contribute. Some are more polished than others. Of course, I had to start by making a SOP on how to make SOPs. :) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Creating_a_Marketing_SOP It makes use of the (also new) Marketing SOP template, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Template:Marketing_SOP. That template is meant to be a suggestion/aide to make life easier, so don't feel compelled to stick to it if you think a different format will work better for you. --Mel [0] Standard Operating Procedure - we used to call them "HOWTOs," but I switched the term to be more consistent with the terminology other teams use (specifically, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Infrastructure_SOPs). The HOWTO pages have been redirected/recategorized to reflect this. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list at redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list From smooge at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:21:40 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:21:40 -0700 Subject: Mea Culpa and Apology Message-ID: <80d7e4090912151121l4414a949l78180651c76ccc0@mail.gmail.com> One of the big problems with the move from PHX1 to PHX2 has been the renaming of hosts. This was a big mistake on my part and made life very difficult for the Fedora people who worked over the weekend to get it working and running into constant headaches. I apologize and owe everyone a lot. Stephen -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From mmcgrath at redhat.com Tue Dec 15 19:46:07 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:46:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: <20091215132153.GD10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091215132153.GD10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > > >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > > > > >>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > > >>>On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > > >>>>We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > > >>>>fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > > >>>>VPN downtime of about an hour. > > >>>> > > >>>>All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. > > >>> > > >>>Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the > > >>>voting by one day as agreed. Make it so! ;-) > > >> > > >>And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there > > >>are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented > > >>a problem to voters. > > >> > > > > > >This one's been difficult to confirm. We know there were some issues that > > >have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, > > >which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained > > >about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly > > >spread issue. > > > > > > > It could also mean they are trying to email about the problems but > > cannot b/c their mailer won't let them email to a domain they cannot > > find. :( > > > > > > This is how I noticed the problem this morning from slicehost. > > What's the status on the DNS problems? Were they resolved, and if so, > approximately when? That will tell me what we need to do for a > further extension for voting. > > Thanks to all of you who worked on this problem and the rest of the > move. > AFAIK, some people had issues for an hour or two. But having said that.. I'm begining to think more and more this is a bind bug because I still can't resolve fedoraproject.org from my slicehost: dig @67.207.128.4 fedoraproject.org I'd think if this was a wide spread problem people would be screaming about it. -Mike From inode0 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 19:51:15 2009 From: inode0 at gmail.com (inode0) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:51:15 -0600 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091215132153.GD10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: >> > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: >> > >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > >>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> > >>>On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: >> > >>>>We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to >> > >>>>fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a >> > >>>>VPN downtime of about an hour. >> > >>>> >> > >>>>All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. >> > >>> >> > >>>Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the >> > >>>voting by one day as agreed. ?Make it so! ;-) >> > >> >> > >>And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there >> > >>are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented >> > >>a problem to voters. >> > >> >> > > >> > >This one's been difficult to confirm. ?We know there were some issues that >> > >have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, >> > >which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained >> > >about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly >> > >spread issue. >> > > >> > >> > It could also mean they are trying to email about the problems but >> > cannot b/c their mailer won't let them email to a domain they cannot >> > find. :( >> > >> > >> > This is how I noticed the problem this morning from slicehost. >> >> What's the status on the DNS problems? ?Were they resolved, and if so, >> approximately when? ?That will tell me what we need to do for a >> further extension for voting. >> >> Thanks to all of you who worked on this problem and the rest of the >> move. >> > > AFAIK, some people had issues for an hour or two. ?But having said that.. > I'm begining to think more and more this is a bind bug because I still > can't resolve fedoraproject.org from my slicehost: > > dig @67.207.128.4 fedoraproject.org > > I'd think if this was a wide spread problem people would be screaming > about it. For what it is worth I think the one day extension with the previous extension is plenty but adding another just to be safe isn't going to upset anyone I don't think. So if you think just to be cautious it would be good to extend the voting through the 17th I don't think anyone would object. John From stickster at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 20:01:14 2009 From: stickster at gmail.com (Paul W. Frields) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:01:14 -0500 Subject: Voting app offline time? In-Reply-To: References: <20091214135342.GG23119@victoria.internal.frields.org> <69fe28d70912140614y2946f6a4r8fb1d18a33c7fe27@mail.gmail.com> <20091214145109.GB3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091214170002.GI3141@victoria.internal.frields.org> <20091215132153.GD10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> Message-ID: <20091215200114.GO10169@victoria.internal.frields.org> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 01:51:15PM -0600, inode0 wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 12:08:15PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > >> > On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> > >On Mon, 14 Dec 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> > >>On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 09:51:09AM -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: > >> > >>>On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14:46AM +1000, Nigel Jones wrote: > >> > >>>>We had some the original DB downtime ~1-2 hours, then downtime due to > >> > >>>>fas not been around ~1-2 hours, plus a DB downtime of ~2-3 hours and a > >> > >>>>VPN downtime of about an hour. > >> > >>>> > >> > >>>>All in all, I think it meets the 1 day extension criteria. > >> > >>> > >> > >>>Yup, top-side estimates add up to 8 hours, so we should extend the > >> > >>>voting by one day as agreed. ?Make it so! ;-) > >> > >> > >> > >>And... after making the announcement, it's come to light that there > >> > >>are some DNS issues outstanding which could potentially have presented > >> > >>a problem to voters. > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > >This one's been difficult to confirm. ?We know there were some issues that > >> > >have been resolved and so far slicehost is the only one having issues, > >> > >which is almost certainly on us but so far no one has actually complained > >> > >about any issues which is surprising to me but does point to a not widly > >> > >spread issue. > >> > > > >> > > >> > It could also mean they are trying to email about the problems but > >> > cannot b/c their mailer won't let them email to a domain they cannot > >> > find. :( > >> > > >> > > >> > This is how I noticed the problem this morning from slicehost. > >> > >> What's the status on the DNS problems? ?Were they resolved, and if so, > >> approximately when? ?That will tell me what we need to do for a > >> further extension for voting. > >> > >> Thanks to all of you who worked on this problem and the rest of the > >> move. > >> > > > > AFAIK, some people had issues for an hour or two. ?But having said that.. > > I'm begining to think more and more this is a bind bug because I still > > can't resolve fedoraproject.org from my slicehost: > > > > dig @67.207.128.4 fedoraproject.org > > > > I'd think if this was a wide spread problem people would be screaming > > about it. > > For what it is worth I think the one day extension with the previous > extension is plenty but adding another just to be safe isn't going to > upset anyone I don't think. So if you think just to be cautious it > would be good to extend the voting through the 17th I don't think > anyone would object. We'll just stick with what we announced and planned, to make things easier. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug From skvidal at fedoraproject.org Tue Dec 15 20:08:53 2009 From: skvidal at fedoraproject.org (Seth Vidal) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:08:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mea Culpa and Apology In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090912151121l4414a949l78180651c76ccc0@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090912151121l4414a949l78180651c76ccc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > One of the big problems with the move from PHX1 to PHX2 has been the > renaming of hosts. This was a big mistake on my part and made life > very difficult for the Fedora people who worked over the weekend to > get it working and running into constant headaches. I apologize and > owe everyone a lot. Stephen, don't sweat it too much. It happens to everyone. In this case the lesson is: If you are making a big change, do not add any other big changes (or small changes) if you can avoid it. All change is bad. More change is MORE bad. Thanks, -sv From cralin at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 20:43:36 2009 From: cralin at gmail.com (cralin at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:43:36 +0100 Subject: Mea Culpa and Apology In-Reply-To: References: <80d7e4090912151121l4414a949l78180651c76ccc0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1260909816.2289.4.camel@athlon-64.alin.cretu.net> @Stephen, No matter how experienced or how good one is, shit happens to everybody from time to time. Cheer up. On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 15:08 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > One of the big problems with the move from PHX1 to PHX2 has been the > > renaming of hosts. This was a big mistake on my part and made life > > very difficult for the Fedora people who worked over the weekend to > > get it working and running into constant headaches. I apologize and > > owe everyone a lot. > > Stephen, > don't sweat it too much. It happens to everyone. In this case the lesson > is: > > If you are making a big change, do not add any other big changes (or small > changes) if you can avoid it. All change is bad. More change is MORE bad. > > > Thanks, > -sv > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 03:04:16 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 21:04:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Bastion Message-ID: I've updated the bastion.fedoraproject.org ns record to point to bastion3. We still have a lot of work to do but we'll go ahead and stick with this ssh key: bastion,bastion.fedoraproject.org,209.132.182.51 ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEAuy7kT2nhJRYyi4Af28KzHJIgFzD84TE9lzDhGB6a9XvCpdI5n0RGZ2bznXR+SRbLjYrseVD+S7ScDFB6+TrXwZpWSM3aJiTJPCzGpI5SRZIaJ4IfAsY9t6n4K3QMmXh+BPGYrUb7ohwtyZADy+7/4E4YOc4cEMxzBEML2D06ERSmCybX01rAHw81Rx/4KN5oH05ynqAcfjF9f1tesDZIZ/NOMkVtMLBWwLf9iKkOKj8dAGBJy/uhidOkVm8bfI9X3NyKwjXC/V8RCeCv/n77y40yvEKYUy8iKOyHQHCVXmTck+6bX1Ity9XYFlljOLaoXPmrO2r6VlyzL0tDKbqtkw== -Mike From mel at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 03:05:45 2009 From: mel at redhat.com (Mel Chua) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:05:45 -0500 Subject: Marketing Infrastructure projects, update 2009-12-15 Message-ID: <4B284E89.4060002@redhat.com> Since a substantial portion of what Marketing is working on between now and Alpha (March 2) is getting infrastructure/tools up so we can do our work efficiently for the rest of the cycle, here's a quick update on our two big marketing-related infrastructure projects, also sent to Logistics for cross-team goodness (and mayyybe packaging help? maybe?). Project 1: Zikula This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Insight (which includes FWN, and will be largely reusable for Docs), and progress is being tracked on the logistics list, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/logistics. We are currently (still) on publictest6. We want to have soft-launched on production by Alpha (March 3). Simon has an overview of the remaining work that needs to be done before we can be puppetized (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000303.html). He's also updated the "how to set up a zikula sandbox" instructions, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_Zikula_sandbox. We are blocked by final fixes to the theme (design/CSS help needed!) which will then need to be packaged, as well as licensing issues with Scribite (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000301.html) but it looks like the interaction between Fedora and Zikula folks is beginning to snowball (http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/logistics/2009-December/000302.html)... I'd like to see if we can get packagers + upstream on IRC at the same time to just Work Out these licensing issues at one go, because asynch communication is Very Slow. After those blockers are out, I *think* we'll be go for puppetizing. Project 2: Limesurvey This is for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_research#Infrastructure, and seems like it should be relatively straightforward (but then again, that's what I thought for zikula...) Robyn Bergeron and Ryan Rix are driving this from the Marketing side of things, but I'm temporarily stepping in for Ryan since he's afk for exams this week. As far as I know, there's only one package involved in this (limesurvey) which is still under review (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508817). It *sounds* from the comments like it should be done and ready for approval, but a reviewer (*coughIancough* is needed). In the meantime, I tried installing the latest SRPM from Eric (Sparks) on pt6, and failboated, details here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_set_up_a_limesurvey_sandbox#Install_the_package. Once the package is approved and installed on pt6, I *think* that's all we'll need (we might want to change the logo, but that's trivial and I really can't think of anything else atm). In the meantime-meantime, because we need to get the FUDCon survey up yesterday, we're giving limeservice $10 to host a 250-response survey for us so we can start administering that survey tomorrow. That means we'll have a db ready to migrate whenever our limesurvey instance goes up, plus people with familiarity administering limesurvey software via the web interface (some of us, myself included, have used it before and know the rudiments). Questions? Comments? Am I missing something? (Is this helpful?) --Mel From mmcgrath at redhat.com Wed Dec 16 04:08:01 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:08:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Post Move Stuff Message-ID: So the move itself is over but there is still a lot of work to be done. At the moment some of our normally redundant services (koji, vpn) aren't redundant. Also I'm pretty sure puppet is still failing on some hosts but that we can fix at our own pace. Also just a note, smooge and I are likely going to be in recovery mode the next couple of days. So if something seems broken please open a ticket. So what is left? - We started renaming everything, we'll need to finish that (involves renames, re-keying things, etc) - New network map. We went from essentially having a single network to having 3 networks: - A build network - A storage network - A public network - Training on one of our new server types, bxen*. These hosts are dedicated to build and releng activities. This was done for a couple of reasons, most of which are organizational. It will also allow us to more easily predict growth needs for the buildsystem in the future. - Figure out what to do about proxy servers in PHX2. We can go a load balancer route or a heartbeat route but I'm not totally convinced we need two proxy servers in PHX2 like we had in PHX1 though, because of the way network routing still works we'll have to figure out something HA - QA - The new QA boxes are ready to be configured, I'll be working with jlaska on this. It's the first kind of hosted by Infrastructure but not really run by infrastructure set of boxes. Similar to how the releng boxes work but the QA team is less close to Infrastructure then release engineering is. This will involve training and some new policies. - Host certification - this is something I've been working on but not enacted yet. Mostly a solid lookover everything based on a recent CSI doc. http://infrastructure.fedoraproject.org/csi/host-lifecycle-policy/en-US/html-single/#HostLifecycle-Host-Recertification In some organizations this the certification process will help bring about accountability. For us it's more about knowing what's going on, it's not like if someone accidentally certifies a box wrong they'll be in trouble but in our case a second pair of eyes will help. Even in the first trial run I did with smooge he discovered something I missed. There's also a lot of little things to do, especially with verifying things like IPTables and monitoring. -Mike From smooge at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 00:39:38 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:39:38 -0700 Subject: SOP creation made easier In-Reply-To: <4B27D5E7.7030204@redhat.com> References: <4B27D5E7.7030204@redhat.com> Message-ID: <80d7e4090912161639s6f2dd0dbg313c7fcee8d5b6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Since we were directly inspired to create the Marketing SOPs by seeing how > much good it's done Infrastructure to have them, I thought I'd share some > back - we made a template and a SOP for making SOPs to make the > SOP-generation process itself easier on folks who might not want to spend a > lot of time on wiki editing. Cool beans. Once this settles down a bit, I would be happy to work with you on this. -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From fhornain at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 13:23:11 2009 From: fhornain at gmail.com (Frederic Hornain) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:23:11 +0100 Subject: [FOSDEM'10] Community infrastructure talk In-Reply-To: <3161376e0912150110tdd6584aw82f889b38f6a2c41@mail.gmail.com> References: <3161376e0912141236t500b0bcn5bfd6ba6de0d841d@mail.gmail.com> <4B26B24D.6000909@kanarip.com> <4B26B3B0.1080501@kanarip.com> <3161376e0912150110tdd6584aw82f889b38f6a2c41@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3161376e0912170523j3bf132d9lb84be1a2629981ed@mail.gmail.com> Dear *, FYI, Ralph from CentOS community is going to so a talk about infrastructure. *Hi, I'd like to propose a talk/discussion panel around mirror infrastructure management: - How are new mirrors accepted? - How do you administer / attend to the database of mirrors? - How are mirrors checked for freshness? - How do you work with Geo localization? As before. I can tell something about how the CentOS project is doing this, but I see this more as a panel, where other distributions also talk shortly about how they manage their mirrors and then things can be discussed. This also should be interesting for other projects taking care of their own mirrors (maybe someone from a large project might add to that discussion, too). Regards, Ralph * As you have got the same problems, If you are interested to join him in this talk and have discussion/brainstorming about it feel free to contact me.* * Best Regards Frederic* ;) * On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Frederic Hornain wrote: > Dea > Thanks a lot > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: > >> On 12/14/2009 10:46 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> >>> On 12/14/2009 09:36 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: >>> >>>> Dear *, >>>> >>>> Would someone be interested to make a talk on Fedora Community >>>> infrastructure at FOSDEM'10 - Belgium -? >>>> >>>> * FedoraCommunity, opensourced LaunchPad, Bugzilla extensions, etc... >>>> >>>> >>>> BTW, as the rule have changed at FOSDEM, you will do your talk with >>>> other distributions on the same subject. >>>> Thanks for your time and your help. >>>> >>>> >>> Sure, here's a candidate! >>> >>> >> I already asked permission from our fearless leader; >> >> [22:51:30] mmcgrath, that is, if you'll let me go tete-a-tete >> with other distributions on the topic of infrastructure ;-))) >> >> -- Jeroen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list >> Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list >> > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com > Olpc mailing list > olpc-open at laptop.org > -- ----------------------------------------------------- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com Olpc mailing list olpc-open at laptop.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maxim at wzzrd.com Thu Dec 17 20:30:52 2009 From: maxim at wzzrd.com (Maxim Burgerhout) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:30:52 +0100 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: Hi all, My name is Maxim Burgerhout and I would like to offer some of my spare time to help out the Fedora Infrastructure Team a bit. I have been using various flavors of Linux ever since Red Hat 6 (I think), though not always as a professional. The last couple of years I have been working as a Linux and virtualization consultant for a fairly large organization in the Netherlands. My experience with maintaining web- and build-servers is limited: I mostly work with RHEL database servers etc., but I'm willing to invest time to acquire the (possibly missing) skills I would need to help out. I think I have ample experience in writing shellscripts. I have also done my share of Python programming and some Rails, PHP and Django webdevelopment. I really like Fedora and I am ready to start giving back. Also, helping out the Infrastrucure Team would provide me with a base of learning new skills, honing existing ones and meeting knowledgeable people. I'll drop by in #fedora-admin soon if that's okay. Feel free to ask me stuff: my usual handle is wzzrd. I'm not sure what to put in this e-mail, so if I'm missing something, please point it out and I'll fill in the blanks. Kind regards, Maxim Burgerhout maxim at wzzrd.com ---------------- GPG Fingerprint EB11 5E56 E648 9D99 E8EF 05FB C513 6FD4 1302 B48A From ricky at fedoraproject.org Thu Dec 17 20:52:48 2009 From: ricky at fedoraproject.org (Ricky Zhou) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:52:48 -0500 Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-12-17 Message-ID: <20091217205248.GA30413@alpha.rzhou.org> 20:01 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting Infrastructure 20:01 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 20:01:37 2009 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:01 -!- wzzrd [n=wzzrd at a80-101-129-77.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:01 * nirik is hanging out in the back 20:01 < sspreitzer> .fas sspreitzer 20:02 < zodbot> sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' 20:02 * mmcgrath is here 20:02 < mmcgrath> is anyone else? 20:02 < mmcgrath> this could be a very short meeting :) 20:02 < sspreitzer> yes 20:02 < sspreitzer> ;) 20:03 -!- giarc [i=hidden-u at gnat.asiscan.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:03 -!- TonyH [n=ubuntu at host86-149-5-85.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:03 * ricky is here, sorry 20:04 < smooge> here 20:04 < mmcgrath> well, lets get started 20:04 -!- sdog [n=sdog at 69.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left #fedora-meeting [] 20:04 < mmcgrath> #topic The Move 20:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The Move (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:04 < mmcgrath> so yeah, the move didn't go quite to the standards that we generally set in Infrastructure but.. 20:04 < mmcgrath> things are up and running right now. 20:04 < mmcgrath> there's still a great deal of work to do though. 20:05 < mmcgrath> smooge: you have anything to add to that? 20:06 < smooge> we have to get a list of whats left over.. and move over various IPs from old space to new one 20:06 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah 20:06 < mmcgrath> there's lots of documentation to do. 20:07 < mmcgrath> so that's really it. 20:07 < smooge> many of the subzones are looking fro wildcard.fedoraproject.org which isn't up/listed in PHX2 when I looked on tuesday 20:07 < smooge> working on documenting racks and cabling 20:07 < mmcgrath> yeah 20:07 < mmcgrath> Ok, well there's really nothing specific to talk on that, just general work to do with renaming, etc. 20:07 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor 20:07 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) 20:07 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything specific they'd like to discuss? 20:08 < sspreitzer> ! 20:08 < sspreitzer> hello everyone 20:08 < sspreitzer> I have received an email from the ambassadors and gerold kassube 20:08 < sspreitzer> you might know him 20:09 < sspreitzer> that an ISP in Tunis has gotten hold of an IBM p510 20:09 < sspreitzer> and it should act as a mirror for Fedora Project 20:10 < sspreitzer> i currently work for IBM 20:10 < sspreitzer> so I have been inquired because those guys want additional hdd for the p510 20:11 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Remote closed the connection 20:11 < sspreitzer> the thing is, the system has 2 bays left 20:11 < sspreitzer> and the hdd parts options are not huge 20:12 < sspreitzer> so its internally ultra wide scsi 320 20:12 < sspreitzer> and the biggest disk is 146 GB 20:12 < sspreitzer> one disk costs abt. 650 USD 20:12 < smooge> hi sspreitzer 20:12 < sspreitzer> I wanted to know what your guys opinion is on that 20:12 < sspreitzer> hey smooge 20:13 < smooge> well currently the fedora complete is just over 1TB in size to mirror. 20:13 < sspreitzer> mine is; too expensive parts, better sell the p510 and buy intel/amd stuff from it 20:14 < sspreitzer> ok 20:14 < sspreitzer> smooge, what if you only mirror the media? 20:14 < smooge> so they would want to mirror small amounts. 20:14 < mmcgrath> sspreitzer: sorry this really isn't the place, #fedora-admin would probably be better for that stuff. 20:14 < sspreitzer> okay? 20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok, so it sounds like nothing else meeting related... :) 20:15 < mmcgrath> I'll close the meeting in 30 seconds. 20:18 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has quit "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 3702, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-17 17:32:54 UTC" 20:18 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:21 -!- jroysdon [n=nnjroysd at Ox.roysdon.org] has quit Client Quit 20:21 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr at 201.82.132.77] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:24 -!- inode01 [n=inode0 at fedora/inode0] has joined #fedora-meeting 20:24 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting 20:24 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule 20:24 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 20:24:47 2009 UTC. 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We'll also be setting koji and bastion back up. -Mike From smooge at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 03:15:48 2009 From: smooge at gmail.com (Stephen John Smoogen) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:15:48 -0700 Subject: Outage tomorrow night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80d7e4090912171915q41fc931endd6c0096662aa693@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > I'm going to prepare a formal outage notification soon but we're going to > have another total outage tomorrow night to get the database hosts set > back to their normal physical hosts. ?We'll also be setting koji and > bastion back up. > What time do you want to do this? -- Stephen J Smoogen. Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? -- Robert Browning From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 18 03:25:52 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:25:52 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage tomorrow night In-Reply-To: <80d7e4090912171915q41fc931endd6c0096662aa693@mail.gmail.com> References: <80d7e4090912171915q41fc931endd6c0096662aa693@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > I'm going to prepare a formal outage notification soon but we're going to > > have another total outage tomorrow night to get the database hosts set > > back to their normal physical hosts. ?We'll also be setting koji and > > bastion back up. > > > > What time do you want to do this? > It'll be 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC. -Mike From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 18 03:34:51 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:34:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC Message-ID: There will be an outage starting at 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-12-18 02:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Database Fedora Hosted Mail Mirror System Translation Services Websites Unaffected Services: Torrent DNS Fedora People Fedora Talk Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1884 Reason for Outage: We have a lot of temporary solutions in place from the move, we're moving things back to their more permanents solutions. The main outages won't last the full two hours. The vpn setup should only takes 10-20 minutes. The db1 migration will take at least an hour though. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to trackthe status of this outage. From mmcgrath at redhat.com Fri Dec 18 03:55:10 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: Outage Notification - 2009-12-19 02:00 UTC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry everyone, I was off by a day. I've updated it. -Mike On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > There will be an outage starting at 2009-12-19 02:00 UTC, which will last > approximately 2 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or run: > > date -d '2009-12-19 02:00 UTC' > > Affected Services: > > Buildsystem > CVS / Source Control > Database > Fedora Hosted > Mail > Mirror System > Translation Services > Websites > > Unaffected Services: > Torrent > DNS > Fedora People > Fedora Talk > > Ticket Link: > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1884 > > Reason for Outage: > We have a lot of temporary solutions in place from the move, we're moving > things back to their more permanents solutions. The main outages won't > last the full two hours. The vpn setup should only takes 10-20 minutes. > The db1 migration will take at least an hour though. > > > Contact Information: > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to > trackthe status of this outage. > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-devel-announce mailing list > Fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce > > -- > fedora-devel-list mailing list > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > From tengyaogao at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 04:39:14 2009 From: tengyaogao at gmail.com (XM) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:39:14 +0800 Subject: Introduction (Maxim Burgerhout) Message-ID: The same to me :) You may join the irc.freenode.net in #fedora-admin stop first Spark On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:00 AM, < fedora-infrastructure-list-request at redhat.com> wrote: > Send Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-infrastructure-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-infrastructure-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fedora-infrastructure-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Introduction (Maxim Burgerhout) > 2. Meeting Log - 2009-12-17 (Ricky Zhou) > 3. Outage tomorrow night (Mike McGrath) > 4. Re: Outage tomorrow night (Stephen John Smoogen) > 5. Re: Outage tomorrow night (Mike McGrath) > 6. Outage Notification - 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC (Mike McGrath) > 7. Re: Outage Notification - 2009-12-19 02:00 UTC (Mike McGrath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:30:52 +0100 > From: Maxim Burgerhout > To: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > Subject: Introduction > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi all, > > My name is Maxim Burgerhout and I would like to offer some of my spare > time to help out the Fedora Infrastructure Team a bit. I have been > using various flavors of Linux ever since Red Hat 6 (I think), though > not always as a professional. The last couple of years I have been > working as a Linux and virtualization consultant for a fairly large > organization in the Netherlands. > > My experience with maintaining web- and build-servers is limited: I > mostly work with RHEL database servers etc., but I'm willing to invest > time to acquire the (possibly missing) skills I would need to help > out. > > I think I have ample experience in writing shellscripts. I have also > done my share of Python programming and some Rails, PHP and Django > webdevelopment. > > I really like Fedora and I am ready to start giving back. Also, > helping out the Infrastrucure Team would provide me with a base of > learning new skills, honing existing ones and meeting knowledgeable > people. > > I'll drop by in #fedora-admin soon if that's okay. Feel free to ask me > stuff: my usual handle is wzzrd. I'm not sure what to put in this > e-mail, so if I'm missing something, please point it out and I'll fill > in the blanks. > > Kind regards, > > Maxim Burgerhout > maxim at wzzrd.com > ---------------- > GPG Fingerprint > EB11 5E56 E648 9D99 E8EF 05FB C513 6FD4 1302 B48A > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:52:48 -0500 > From: Ricky Zhou > To: fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > Subject: Meeting Log - 2009-12-17 > Message-ID: <20091217205248.GA30413 at alpha.rzhou.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > 20:01 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting Infrastructure > 20:01 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Dec 17 20:01:37 2009 UTC. The chair is > mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. > 20:01 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link > #topic. > 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: > Infrastructure) > 20:01 -!- wzzrd [n=wzzrd at a80-101-129-77.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined > #fedora-meeting > 20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here? > 20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here? > (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) > 20:01 * nirik is hanging out in the back > 20:01 < sspreitzer> .fas sspreitzer > 20:02 < zodbot> sspreitzer: sspreitzer 'Sascha Thomas Spreitzer' < > sascha at spreitzer.name> > 20:02 * mmcgrath is here > 20:02 < mmcgrath> is anyone else? > 20:02 < mmcgrath> this could be a very short meeting :) > 20:02 < sspreitzer> yes > 20:02 < sspreitzer> ;) > 20:03 -!- giarc [i=hidden-u at gnat.asiscan.com] has joined #fedora-meeting > 20:03 -!- TonyH [n=ubuntu at host86-149-5-85.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] > has joined #fedora-meeting > 20:03 * ricky is here, sorry > 20:04 < smooge> here > 20:04 < mmcgrath> well, lets get started > 20:04 -!- sdog [n=sdog at 69.36-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has left > #fedora-meeting [] > 20:04 < mmcgrath> #topic The Move > 20:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The Move (Meeting > topic: Infrastructure) > 20:04 < mmcgrath> so yeah, the move didn't go quite to the standards that > we generally set in Infrastructure but.. > 20:04 < mmcgrath> things are up and running right now. > 20:04 < mmcgrath> there's still a great deal of work to do though. > 20:05 < mmcgrath> smooge: you have anything to add to that? > 20:06 < smooge> we have to get a list of whats left over.. and move over > various IPs from old space to new one > 20:06 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah > 20:06 < mmcgrath> there's lots of documentation to do. > 20:07 < mmcgrath> so that's really it. > 20:07 < smooge> many of the subzones are looking fro > wildcard.fedoraproject.org which isn't up/listed in PHX2 when I looked on > tuesday > 20:07 < smooge> working on documenting racks and cabling > 20:07 < mmcgrath> yeah > 20:07 < mmcgrath> Ok, well there's really nothing specific to talk on that, > just general work to do with renaming, etc. > 20:07 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor > 20:07 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor > (Meeting topic: Infrastructure) > 20:07 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything specific they'd like to discuss? > 20:08 < sspreitzer> ! > 20:08 < sspreitzer> hello everyone > 20:08 < sspreitzer> I have received an email from the ambassadors and > gerold kassube > 20:08 < sspreitzer> you might know him > 20:09 < sspreitzer> that an ISP in Tunis has gotten hold of an IBM p510 > 20:09 < sspreitzer> and it should act as a mirror for Fedora Project > 20:10 < sspreitzer> i currently work for IBM > 20:10 < sspreitzer> so I have been inquired because those guys want > additional hdd for the p510 > 20:11 -!- JSchmitt [n=s4504kr at fedora/JSchmitt] has quit Remote closed the > connection > 20:11 < sspreitzer> the thing is, the system has 2 bays left > 20:11 < sspreitzer> and the hdd parts options are not huge > 20:12 < sspreitzer> so its internally ultra wide scsi 320 > 20:12 < sspreitzer> and the biggest disk is 146 GB > 20:12 < sspreitzer> one disk costs abt. 650 USD > 20:12 < smooge> hi sspreitzer > 20:12 < sspreitzer> I wanted to know what your guys opinion is on that > 20:12 < sspreitzer> hey smooge > 20:13 < smooge> well currently the fedora complete is just over 1TB in size > to mirror. > 20:13 < sspreitzer> mine is; too expensive parts, better sell the p510 and > buy intel/amd stuff from it > 20:14 < sspreitzer> ok > 20:14 < sspreitzer> smooge, what if you only mirror the media? > 20:14 < smooge> so they would want to mirror small amounts. > 20:14 < mmcgrath> sspreitzer: sorry this really isn't the place, > #fedora-admin would probably be better for that stuff. > 20:14 < sspreitzer> okay? > 20:15 < mmcgrath> Ok, so it sounds like nothing else meeting related... :) > 20:15 < mmcgrath> I'll close the meeting in 30 seconds. > 20:18 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has quit "KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, > revision: 3702, sources date: 20091205, built on: 2009-12-17 17:32:54 UTC" > 20:18 -!- nucleo [n=nucleo at fedora/nucleo] has joined #fedora-meeting > 20:21 -!- jroysdon [n=nnjroysd at Ox.roysdon.org] has quit Client Quit > 20:21 -!- _lmr_ [n=lmr at 201.82.132.77] has joined #fedora-meeting > 20:24 -!- inode01 [n=inode0 at fedora/inode0] has joined #fedora-meeting > 20:24 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting > 20:24 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Channel is used > by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note > that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask > in #fedora | See > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting > schedule > 20:24 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Dec 17 20:24:47 2009 UTC. Information > about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . > 20:24 < zodbot> Minutes: > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-17/fedora-meeting.2009-12-17-20.01.html > 20:24 < zodbot> Minutes (text): > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-17/fedora-meeting.2009-12-17-20.01.txt > 20:24 < zodbot> Log: > http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-12-17/fedora-meeting.2009-12-17-20.01.log.html > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 198 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/attachments/20091217/3a6ae3e7/attachment.bin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:18:33 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike McGrath > To: Fedora Infrastructure List > Subject: Outage tomorrow night > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I'm going to prepare a formal outage notification soon but we're going to > have another total outage tomorrow night to get the database hosts set > back to their normal physical hosts. We'll also be setting koji and > bastion back up. > > -Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:15:48 -0700 > From: Stephen John Smoogen > To: Fedora Infrastructure > Subject: Re: Outage tomorrow night > Message-ID: > <80d7e4090912171915q41fc931endd6c0096662aa693 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > I'm going to prepare a formal outage notification soon but we're going to > > have another total outage tomorrow night to get the database hosts set > > back to their normal physical hosts. ?We'll also be setting koji and > > bastion back up. > > > > What time do you want to do this? > > > -- > Stephen J Smoogen. > > Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp. Or what's a heaven for? > -- Robert Browning > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:25:52 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike McGrath > To: Fedora Infrastructure > Subject: Re: Outage tomorrow night > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Mike McGrath > wrote: > > > I'm going to prepare a formal outage notification soon but we're going > to > > > have another total outage tomorrow night to get the database hosts set > > > back to their normal physical hosts. ?We'll also be setting koji and > > > bastion back up. > > > > > > > What time do you want to do this? > > > > It'll be 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC. > > -Mike > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:34:51 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike McGrath > To: fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com > Cc: Fedora Infrastructure List > Subject: Outage Notification - 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > There will be an outage starting at 2009-12-18 02:00 UTC, which will last > approximately 2 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or run: > > date -d '2009-12-18 02:00 UTC' > > Affected Services: > > Buildsystem > CVS / Source Control > Database > Fedora Hosted > Mail > Mirror System > Translation Services > Websites > > Unaffected Services: > Torrent > DNS > Fedora People > Fedora Talk > > Ticket Link: > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1884 > > Reason for Outage: > We have a lot of temporary solutions in place from the move, we're moving > things back to their more permanents solutions. The main outages won't > last the full two hours. The vpn setup should only takes 10-20 minutes. > The db1 migration will take at least an hour though. > > > Contact Information: > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to > trackthe status of this outage. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:55:10 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike McGrath > To: fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > Cc: Fedora Infrastructure List > Subject: Re: Outage Notification - 2009-12-19 02:00 UTC > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > Sorry everyone, I was off by a day. I've updated it. > > -Mike > > > > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > There will be an outage starting at 2009-12-19 02:00 UTC, which will > last > > approximately 2 hours. > > > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > > or run: > > > > date -d '2009-12-19 02:00 UTC' > > > > Affected Services: > > > > Buildsystem > > CVS / Source Control > > Database > > Fedora Hosted > > Mail > > Mirror System > > Translation Services > > Websites > > > > Unaffected Services: > > Torrent > > DNS > > Fedora People > > Fedora Talk > > > > Ticket Link: > > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1884 > > > > Reason for Outage: > > We have a lot of temporary solutions in place from the move, we're moving > > things back to their more permanents solutions. The main outages won't > > last the full two hours. The vpn setup should only takes 10-20 minutes. > > The db1 migration will take at least an hour though. > > > > > > Contact Information: > > > > Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email > to > > trackthe status of this outage. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Fedora-devel-announce mailing list > > Fedora-devel-announce at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce > > > > -- > > fedora-devel-list mailing list > > fedora-devel-list at redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > > > End of Fedora-infrastructure-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 16 > ********************************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mmcgrath at redhat.com Sat Dec 19 05:17:26 2009 From: mmcgrath at redhat.com (Mike McGrath) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:17:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > Hi all, > > My name is Maxim Burgerhout and I would like to offer some of my spare > time to help out the Fedora Infrastructure Team a bit. I have been > using various flavors of Linux ever since Red Hat 6 (I think), though > not always as a professional. The last couple of years I have been > working as a Linux and virtualization consultant for a fairly large > organization in the Netherlands. > > My experience with maintaining web- and build-servers is limited: I > mostly work with RHEL database servers etc., but I'm willing to invest > time to acquire the (possibly missing) skills I would need to help > out. > > I think I have ample experience in writing shellscripts. I have also > done my share of Python programming and some Rails, PHP and Django > webdevelopment. > > I really like Fedora and I am ready to start giving back. Also, > helping out the Infrastrucure Team would provide me with a base of > learning new skills, honing existing ones and meeting knowledgeable > people. > > I'll drop by in #fedora-admin soon if that's okay. Feel free to ask me > stuff: my usual handle is wzzrd. I'm not sure what to put in this > e-mail, so if I'm missing something, please point it out and I'll fill > in the blanks. > > Kind regards, > > Maxim Burgerhout > maxim at wzzrd.com > ---------------- Welcome Maxim, sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. Been unusually busy. Our meetings are every Thursday at 20:00 UTC, do you think you can make them? -Mike From kanarip at kanarip.com Sat Dec 19 06:03:54 2009 From: kanarip at kanarip.com (Jeroen van Meeuwen) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:03:54 +0100 Subject: [FOSDEM'10] Community infrastructure talk Message-ID: <3j8298l4fbgjds9h0osbijke.1261202634105@email.android.com> That's all nice and dandy, but not much of a topic to discuss no matter what your thoughts are. When it concerns how and through what mirror your data is available to your consumers you also have entirely different motives compared to making sure your *own* infrastructure runs fashionably well. If it were up to me, I have zero interest in discussing this specific topic presented as such. -- Jeroen "Frederic Hornain" wrote: >Dear *, > >FYI, Ralph from CentOS community is going to so a talk about infrastructure. > >*Hi, > >I'd like to propose a talk/discussion panel around mirror >infrastructure management: > > - How are new mirrors accepted? > - How do you administer / attend to the database of mirrors? > - How are mirrors checked for freshness? > - How do you work with Geo localization? > >As before. I can tell something about how the CentOS project is doing >this, but I see this more as a panel, where other distributions also >talk shortly about how they manage their mirrors and then things can >be discussed. > >This also should be interesting for other projects taking care of >their own mirrors (maybe someone from a large project might add to >that discussion, too). > >Regards, > >Ralph >* > >As you have got the same problems, If you are interested to join him in this >talk and have discussion/brainstorming about it feel free to contact me.* >* >Best Regards >Frederic* ;) >* >On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Frederic Hornain wrote: > >> Dea >> Thanks a lot >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >> >>> On 12/14/2009 10:46 PM, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/14/2009 09:36 PM, Frederic Hornain wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear *, >>>>> >>>>> Would someone be interested to make a talk on Fedora Community >>>>> infrastructure at FOSDEM'10 - Belgium -? >>>>> >>>>> * FedoraCommunity, opensourced LaunchPad, Bugzilla extensions, etc... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, as the rule have changed at FOSDEM, you will do your talk with >>>>> other distributions on the same subject. >>>>> Thanks for your time and your help. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Sure, here's a candidate! >>>> >>>> >>> I already asked permission from our fearless leader; >>> >>> [22:51:30] mmcgrath, that is, if you'll let me go tete-a-tete >>> with other distributions on the topic of infrastructure ;-))) >>> >>> -- Jeroen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list >>> Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com >>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >> Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >> Olpc mailing list >> olpc-open at laptop.org >> > > > >-- >----------------------------------------------------- >Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list >Fedora-ambassadors-list at redhat.com >Olpc mailing list >olpc-open at laptop.org >_______________________________________________ >Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list >Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com >https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list From maxim at wzzrd.com Sat Dec 19 10:55:07 2009 From: maxim at wzzrd.com (Maxim Burgerhout) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:55:07 +0100 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the welcome, guys! I lurked during the last meeting, but I don't think I'll be able to attend the next two (the 24th already being part of Christmas (more or less) in the Netherlands and the 31th being New Year's Eve: stuff has been planned a long time ago). Starting January 7th, I'll put the meeting in my weekly roster for every Thursday evening. Starting today, I'll drop by in #fedora-admin on a regular basis. Looking forward to working with you all! Maxim On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:17, Mike McGrath wrote: > On Thu, 17 Dec 2009, Maxim Burgerhout wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> My name is Maxim Burgerhout and I would like to offer some of my spare >> time to help out the Fedora Infrastructure Team a bit. I have been >> using various flavors of Linux ever since Red Hat 6 (I think), though >> not always as a professional. The last couple of years I have been >> working as a Linux and virtualization consultant for a fairly large >> organization in the Netherlands. >> >> My experience with maintaining web- and build-servers is limited: I >> mostly work with RHEL database servers etc., but I'm willing to invest >> time to acquire the (possibly missing) skills I would need to help >> out. >> >> I think I have ample experience in writing shellscripts. I have also >> done my share of Python programming and some Rails, PHP and Django >> webdevelopment. >> >> I really like Fedora and I am ready to start giving back. Also, >> helping out the Infrastrucure Team would provide me with a base of >> learning new skills, honing existing ones and meeting knowledgeable >> people. >> >> I'll drop by in #fedora-admin soon if that's okay. Feel free to ask me >> stuff: my usual handle is wzzrd. I'm not sure what to put in this >> e-mail, so if I'm missing something, please point it out and I'll fill >> in the blanks. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Maxim Burgerhout >> maxim at wzzrd.com >> ---------------- > > Welcome Maxim, sorry it's taken so long to get back to you. ?Been > unusually busy. ?Our meetings are every Thursday at 20:00 UTC, do you > think you can make them? > > ? ? ? ?-Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list > Fedora-infrastructure-list at redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list > From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 21 16:57:08 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:27:08 +0530 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list Message-ID: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> To infrastructure team, As noted in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg00011.html, fedora-india list is moving from redhat.com to lists.fedoraproject.org and the new location will be indian-users at lists.fp.o Although this is good for consistency, when I created this list, it was never intended to be a end user focussed list and the focus is on discussions between contributors. Unlike, other user lists, the discussions are in English and not in the native tongues (because we have so many different languages) and there is not much of a benefit to having a user specific regional list. IMO, it is better to name it something like indian-community at lists.fp.o Copying fedora-india list for other opinions. Rahul From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 21 16:57:18 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:27:18 +0530 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list Message-ID: <4B2FA8EE.9010305@fedoraproject.org> To infrastructure team, As noted in https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-December/msg00011.html, fedora-india list is moving from redhat.com to lists.fedoraproject.org and the new location will be indian-users at lists.fp.o Although this is good for consistency, when I created this list, it was never intended to be a end user focussed list and the focus is on discussions between contributors. Unlike, other user lists, the discussions are in English and not in the native tongues (because we have so many different languages) and there is not much of a benefit to having a user specific regional list. IMO, it is better to name it something like indian-community at lists.fp.o Copying fedora-india list for other opinions. Rahul From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 21:21:42 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:21:42 -0500 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Although this is good for consistency, when I created this list, it was > never intended to be a end user focussed list and the focus is on > discussions between contributors. Unlike, other user lists, the We can do that :) From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 21 21:24:21 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 02:54:21 +0530 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> On 12/22/2009 02:51 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > >> Although this is good for consistency, when I created this list, it was >> never intended to be a end user focussed list and the focus is on >> discussions between contributors. Unlike, other user lists, the > > We can do that :) We can do what? Rahul From jonstanley at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 22:27:42 2009 From: jonstanley at gmail.com (Jon Stanley) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:27:42 -0500 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > We can do what? Oops. somehow quoted an entirely irrelevant portion of your message :) We can call the list whatever you like. indian-community sounds as good as any to me. From sundaram at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 21 22:31:12 2009 From: sundaram at fedoraproject.org (Rahul Sundaram) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:01:12 +0530 Subject: List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> On 12/22/2009 03:57 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rahul Sundaram > wrote: > >> We can do what? > > Oops. somehow quoted an entirely irrelevant portion of your message :) > > We can call the list whatever you like. indian-community sounds as > good as any to me. Alright. Great. Since the list is copied on these discussions, they can suggest alternative/better names for the list as well. Rahul From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 23:52:53 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:22:53 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > indian-community sounds good to me. +1. -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From sankarshan at fedoraproject.org Mon Dec 21 23:36:43 2009 From: sankarshan at fedoraproject.org (sankarshan) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:06:43 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 12/22/2009 03:57 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Rahul Sundaram >> wrote: >> >>> We can do what? >> >> Oops. somehow quoted an entirely irrelevant portion of your message :) >> >> We can call the list whatever you like. indian-community sounds as >> good as any to me. > > Alright. Great. Since the list is copied on these discussions, they can > suggest alternative/better names for the list as well. indian-community sounds good to me. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 04:26:43 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:56:43 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1261456003.8934.5.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 05:22 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > > indian-community sounds good to me. > > +1. > hey, It isn't discussion if everyone quietly gives a +1 ;) how about "ud-india at .."? or "FUD-india at ..."? UD = users and developers like in FUDCon or "community-india at .." rather than "indian-community at ..."? regards, Ankur From sanjay.ankur at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 07:19:44 2009 From: sanjay.ankur at gmail.com (Ankur Sinha) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:49:44 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <2315046d0912212304x6478a904tb75312b1e2ce8189@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> <1261456003.8934.5.camel@localhost> <2315046d0912212304x6478a904tb75312b1e2ce8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1261466384.8934.12.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 12:34 +0530, Manilal K M wrote: > 2009/12/22 Ankur Sinha : > > On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 05:22 +0530, susmit shannigrahi wrote: > >> > indian-community sounds good to me. > >> > >> +1. > >> > > > > hey, > > > > It isn't discussion if everyone quietly gives a +1 ;) > > > > > > how about "ud-india at .."? or "FUD-india at ..."? > > > > UD = users and developers like in FUDCon > > > > or "community-india at .." rather than "indian-community at ..."? > > > > regards, > > > > Ankur > It seems FUD has a different meaning. Please refer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fud > > Why not just use "indians", such as indians at lists.. > IMO, "indians" will cover all the levels(newbies, experts) and > types(end-users, developers, etc ) of people > > -- > Manilal K M : ???????? ?? ??. > http://libregeek.blogspot.com > hey, I hadn't thought of "fud" like that. apologies. Ankur From thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 07:22:38 2009 From: thinklinux.ssh at gmail.com (susmit shannigrahi) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:52:38 +0530 Subject: [fedora-india] List migration and fedora-india list In-Reply-To: <2315046d0912212304x6478a904tb75312b1e2ce8189@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B2FA8E4.8050809@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FE785.5090008@fedoraproject.org> <4B2FF730.1020808@fedoraproject.org> <35586fc00912211536t12211ae7vf36614946385757c@mail.gmail.com> <1261456003.8934.5.camel@localhost> <2315046d0912212304x6478a904tb75312b1e2ce8189@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Why not just use "indians", such as indians at lists.. > IMO, "indians" will cover all the levels(newbies, experts) and > types(end-users, developers, etc ) of people Because proposed indian-community (now fedora-india) will be open to everyone, even for those who are not residents of this country (we have many such members.) -- Regards, Susmit. ============================================= http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/user:susmit ============================================= Sent from Calcutta, WB, India From brennand at us.ibm.com Tue Dec 22 11:03:30 2009 From: brennand at us.ibm.com (Danny Brennan) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:03:30 -0700 Subject: AUTO: Danny Brennan is out of the office (returning 01/04/2010) Message-ID: I am out of the office until 01/04/2010. 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