Meeting Log - 2009-06-25

[Ricky Zhou]

20:00 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting
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20:00 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here?
20:00 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here?
20:00  * ricky 
20:00  * nirik is in the cheap seats in the back
20:00 < cralin> Alin Crețu is here (finally)
20:00  * Sparks is here to see all the goings on
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20:01  * onekopaka is here for who knows what reason
20:01  * sijis is here.
20:01 < ianweller> hellloooooooo
20:01  * ke4qqq is here
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20:02 < mmcgrath> k, lets get started then
20:02 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Meeting Tickets
20:02 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting Tickets
20:02 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&group=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority
20:02 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y
20:02 < mmcgrath> So really the only ticket we have on the list is
20:02 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1464
20:02 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1464 (Puppet Web Apps Refactoring) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464
20:02 < smooge> here
20:02 < mmcgrath> This is goign to happen today if it's not already happening like right now :)'
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20:02 < mmcgrath> ricky: you want to take it?
20:03 < ricky> Sure.
20:03 < ricky> Sorry for the late notice, but if you have anything in your home directories on those machines, it'd be a good idea to back them up now
20:03 < ricky> They're in other backups, but those are kind of painful to get to.
20:03 < ricky> I just sent an email to list with the rough order that we're planning to do things in.
20:03 < mmcgrath> ricky: do we just want to... disable to cron job for a while?  :)
20:04 < ricky> There will probably be a lot of puppet spam around the merge because the fas module changed, which touches more than just the apps/proxies/fas machines
20:04  * hiemanshu is here now
20:04 < ricky> mmcgrath: Yeah, I'm currently disabling puppet on the proxy/app/fas machines
20:05 < ricky> Anyway, I hope this goes well, and look for another email to f-i-l about the exact nature of the puppet changes once the dust clears a bit
20:05 < mmcgrath> coolz
20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: and whats our plan for config clean up on the actual nodes?
20:05 < mmcgrath> IE stuff that shouldn't exist there anymore?
20:05  * hiemanshu wonders what the topic is
20:05 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu:
20:05 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1464
20:05 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1464 (Puppet Web Apps Refactoring) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1464
20:06 < ricky> I'm hoping the rebuild most of them, which shouldn't take all that long
20:06 < mmcgrath> ricky: k.
20:06 < ricky> It's the only way to make sure that the new configs aren't relying on old stuff :-/
20:06  * SmootherFrOgZ is around
20:06 < mmcgrath> yeah, and rebuilding doesn't harm anything :)
20:07 < hiemanshu> ricky, rebuild from scratch?
20:07 < mmcgrath> ricky: did transifex get all setup in staging and is working properly?
20:07 < ricky> Yup, https://translate.stg.fedoraproject.org/
20:07 < ricky> Oh yeah.  If I forgot a service, *now* would be a good time to tell me :-)
20:07 < hiemanshu> blogs.fp.o?
20:08 < smooge> did you get the controls for the orbital laser?
20:08 < ricky> we haven't deployed that yet, so that won't be included
20:08 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: doesn't exist yet so it won't be included in this.
20:08 < ricky> smooge: drat!
20:08 < smooge> just saying.. it takes a long time to get back online
20:08 < mmcgrath> ricky: lets keep the old images around for a bit just in case.
20:08 < smooge> seriously though cool.
20:08 < mmcgrath> at least bapp1, and app1 and app2.
20:09 < ricky> mmcgrath: Will do, I can just rename the LV, rght?
20:09 < ricky> **right
20:09 < onekopaka> we have an orbital laser?
20:09 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah, and if any are on the xenGuests vg, make sure to pvscan and vgscan it.
20:09 < ricky> onekopaka: Why else would we ask for latitude and logitude in FAS?  >:-)
20:09  * mmcgrath doesn't think any of those are
20:09 < ricky> Will do
20:09 < mmcgrath> ricky: ok, anything else on that subject?
20:10 < ricky> Nope, thanks
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20:10 < mmcgrath> coolz
20:10 < onekopaka> ricky: are you planning to hit me with said orbital laser?
20:10 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- cvs2
20:10 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- cvs2
20:10 < mmcgrath> so I'm still getting the new cvs server up and running.
20:10 < mmcgrath> it should, in theory, not require that much downtime.  Just another cvs resync.
20:10 < smooge> onekopaka no its for beaming people to our secret moon base
20:10  * onekopaka dislikes CVS
20:11 < hiemanshu> I think subversion is better
20:11 < mmcgrath> But the newer box should have significnatly lower commit times, branch times, etc, etc.
20:11  * onekopaka agrees with hiemanshu
20:11 < mmcgrath> no one likes cvs
20:11 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, svn?
20:11 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: it's another version control system.
20:11 < hiemanshu> whats wrong with that, and i find svn easier to use than cvs
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20:11  * nirik notes that changing from CVS is not simple and easy. Someone needs to do a lot of work to get it done. 
20:11 < smooge> hiemanshu, its a big project to deal with..
20:12 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: I think most people woudl prefer git.  Keep in mind that the problem is getting from point A to point B.
20:12 < onekopaka> yep
20:12  * mmcgrath has decided to stay out of that conversation though.
20:12 < hiemanshu> hmmmm
20:12 < onekopaka> git is ideal
20:12 < ianweller> I LIKE MINE BETTER
20:12 < ianweller> (i don't think this is the time for this conversation)
20:12 < smooge> hiemanshu, and its been a task of where someone would need to work on making 20 GB or so transfer
20:12 < mmcgrath> I'll happily support anyone with the time, tenacity and courage to stand up to what it'd take to do a conversion though :)
20:12 < mmcgrath> Anywho.
20:12 < mmcgrath> Lookside is done.
20:12 < mmcgrath> cvs2 is mostly there.
20:12 < ianweller> yay
20:13 < smooge> mmcgrath, what is the difference between cvs2 and cvs1?
20:13 < onekopaka> ianweller: you like cvs, don't you?
20:13 < mmcgrath> I'll probably wait for the ok from Toshio though to make sure the pkgdb bits still work as I'd hope.
20:13 < mmcgrath> smooge: hopefully nothing.  Part of the conversion is to rename cvs2 to cvs1 and disable cvs1.
20:13 < mmcgrath> cvs is still, at present, not HA.
20:13 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i dont like cvs much, i prefer git though
20:13 < mmcgrath> though we so rarely have downtime with it.
20:13  * smooge wishes people would just stick to SCCS like K&R wanted.
20:13 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: noted.
20:13 < hiemanshu> I always found cvs harder for _NEW_ people to join in
20:13 < smooge> mmcgrath, and then make a failover cvs2 that would be a backup
20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, but probably not that live of a backup.
20:14 < mmcgrath> since we're the only major distribution that doesn't support drbd.
20:14 < smooge> mmcgrath, sort of like the releng1 we went over
20:14 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah.
20:14  * smooge read that as Dr Bad
20:14 < mmcgrath> but the HA/cluster stuff is for another time.
20:14 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, takes things in a way of a new person as well
20:14 < mmcgrath> the main purpose of this conversion is to get cvs _off_ of the /mnt/koji powervault.
20:15 < cralin> mmcgrath: I'm interested in HA cluster when the time comes
20:15 < mmcgrath> cralin: k.
20:15 < mmcgrath> So anyone have any questions about how that's going to go down?
20:15 < mmcgrath> as long as stuff has been kept in puppet it should go fairly well
20:15 < smooge> yes. and then someone can look at a summer project of inventing bikeshedding revision control system
20:16 < mmcgrath> smooge: :)
20:16 < skvidal> mmcgrath: I thought the point of the HA stuff is that it doesn't go down!
20:16 < smooge> mmcgrath, no questions on that
20:16 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, no questions
20:16  * skvidal is full of zing
20:16 < mmcgrath> we've tried a couple of times to change to a different scm, so far no success though.
20:16 < mmcgrath> skvidal: yeah but we don't have HA :)
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20:16 < smooge> skvidal, timing was a bit off. need to add some invective next time
20:16 < mmcgrath> heh
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20:17 < mmcgrath> Ok, next topic
20:17 < skvidal> :)
20:17 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- blogs.fedoraproject.org
20:17 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- blogs.fedoraproject.org
20:17 < mmcgrath> nb|away: you around?
20:17  * smooge is happy to be able to help here
20:17 < ricky> Oh, he said he couldn't make it
20:17  * onekopaka will step in at this point
20:17 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, nb is not here, he is at work
20:17 < smooge> what is blogs vs planet
20:17 < mmcgrath> ricky: k.
20:17 < ricky> But he wanted me to give  little update
20:17 < ricky> **give a little
20:17 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i ll be in his place though
20:17 < ricky> onekopaka: feel free if you want to give it
20:17 < mmcgrath> smooge: blogs is a hosting provider, planet is a public rss aggregator
20:17 < smooge> oooooh
20:17 < onekopaka> smooge: blogs.fp.o is a full wordpress mu install
20:17 < mmcgrath> whats the latest on all that?
20:18 < onekopaka> it is almost ready to go
20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, we have a things in mind though
20:18 < onekopaka> nb is waiting on review on some packages
20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, do we need fas integration?
20:18 < mmcgrath> "things in mind" ?  such as.
20:18 < mmcgrath> yeah, fas integration is a requisite
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20:18 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, nb was a little reluctant about that
20:19 < hiemanshu> he said it would not be necessary but a @fp.o email id to sign up
20:19 < Sparks> fas integration == OpenID support ?
20:19 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: we decided that FAS integration wouldn't be something to blog release on
20:19 < hiemanshu> is required
20:19 < hiemanshu> Sparks, nope
20:19 < onekopaka> Sparks: OpenID on the FAS side is flakey
20:19 < Sparks> ok
20:19 < ricky> I'd prefer to go the OpenID way, but that's not going to be ready for a while.
20:19 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, what the need for FAS integration here?
20:19 < mmcgrath> that's not to say that we couldn't fix OpenID as part of that.
20:20 < ricky> FAS integration for things like comments is not easy though.
20:20 < hiemanshu> ricky, OpenID with WP is easy
20:20 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: it's just a requirement for all of our new apps.
20:20 < onekopaka> well
20:20 < onekopaka> for commenting
20:20 < onekopaka> FAS integration would be simple
20:20 < ricky> mmcgrath: Sorry, I miscommunicated that to nb and the others.
20:20 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, Guest commenting is on by deafault
20:20 < smooge> mod_fas?
20:20 < onekopaka> so it seems
20:20 < hiemanshu> smooge, i think mod_fas is for apache?
20:20  * onekopaka has been looking at the MW plugin
20:20 < mmcgrath> smooge: well, if wordpress supports apache auth, we can (and have) used mod_auth_postgres in the past.
20:21 < mmcgrath> actually that's how fedorahosted.org is setup.
20:21 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, we dont want to change _core_ files
20:21 < mmcgrath> correct.
20:21 < ricky> If we need to block on FAS authentication, then Nigel said he had something, but he needed to pull it up from an backup at home
20:21 < mmcgrath> does wp-mu support auth modules?
20:21 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, yes
20:21 < hiemanshu> ricky, he said he would send it to me when he found it
20:21 < smooge> so we would use wp-mu for account login and openid for comments? Is that possible/tested
20:22 < smooge> s/wp-mu/fas/
20:22 < ricky> I have a feeling that wordpress mu's concept of a user applies both for logging in (blog administration) and comments.
20:22 < hiemanshu> smooge, yes but OpenID is not ready on FAS yet
20:22 < onekopaka> ricky: yep
20:22 < hiemanshu> ricky, yes
20:22 < hiemanshu> ricky, Guests can comment as well and that is moderated
20:22 < mmcgrath> so is the question here whether to put time into fixing OpenID or writing a wordpress plugin?
20:23  * mmcgrath would rather just fix OpenID.
20:23 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, on a long term basis OpenID
20:23 < ricky> What would be ideal if if somebody worked on OpenID in FAS :-)  It's on my TODO list, but it's honestly not that high up compared to items like the signup wizard
20:23 < ricky> But maybe I need to change that
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20:23 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: that would be a better long term solution
20:23 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: which would?
20:23 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, OpenID
20:23 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: OpenID
20:23 < onekopaka> because we could integrate with other apps
20:24  * hiemanshu thinks onekopaka can read his mind
20:24 < mmcgrath> just curious, where do our estimates that it's harder to fix our OpenID implementation then write a fresh wp plugin?
20:24 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, OpenID would work almost anywhere
20:24 < ricky> It's harder to fix OpenID, but it's also "better"
20:24 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, an WPMU plugin is easier
20:24 < hiemanshu> we need Smart work not Hard work
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20:25 < Killmanhack> hi
20:25 < onekopaka> but a WP MU plugin is a more specific solution
20:25 < mmcgrath> k, well sounds like y'all are making good progress so that's good.
20:25 < mmcgrath> and for those that missed it this morning, I put the kill switch on news.fp.o until someone steps up and takes responsibility for it.
20:25 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath,  i would
20:25 < smooge> what was news.fp.o
20:25 < mmcgrath> Though it sounds like the marketing team are working on a similar project now that will likely encompass that.
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20:26 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: you're not on the marketing team.
20:26 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, :(
20:26  * onekopaka is limited to what he can do because he hasn't been sponsored for sysadmin-test and he knows that there's too many sponsees
20:26 < ricky> The first problem came up when an RFR was made without all that much talk within the marketing team
20:26 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: in our environment it's one of those things where the teams that need something provide a project manager, and find an infrastructure member to do the work.
20:26 < hiemanshu> onekopaka, i can help you till you are done there
20:26 < mmcgrath> what we need isn't someone to do the work, but someone on the team to say what they want.
20:26 < smooge> hiemanshu, if you are interested in looking at the new idea.. talk with themayor about his idea and items.
20:27 < hiemanshu> smooge, sure will
20:27 < smooge> hiemanshu, I saw the mockup mizmo and he did and it would probably be a replacement overwrite.. but he will need some infrastructure help
20:27 < jds2001> er, she :)
20:27 < hiemanshu> smooge, i might help them there if i can
20:28  * jds2001 pops in :)
20:28 < hiemanshu> hey jds2001, my sponsor and mentor :)
20:29 < mmcgrath> Ok, well anyone have anything else on this topic?
20:29 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, yes
20:29 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: have at it, whats up?
20:29 < hiemanshu> oh damn i forgot
20:29 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, continue i will come back later to you
20:30  * onekopaka reads hiemanshu's mind to find out what it was
20:30 < hiemanshu> onekopaka, extra plugins
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20:30  * onekopaka really can't read minds
20:30 < mmcgrath> Ok, well if you guys remember just ping.
20:30 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- OSUOSL
20:30 < mmcgrath> So I'd like to thank osuosl for becoming a new sponsor.
20:30 < mmcgrath> some of you probably noticed the new osuosl1 host.
20:30  * ianweller googles them
20:30 < mmcgrath> so we need to make sure to get their sponsors up.
20:31 < onekopaka> ianweller: http://osuosl.org/
20:31 < mmcgrath> I've got some docs to update
20:31 < ricky> mmcgrath: Let me know whenever they've chosen a logo
20:31 < mmcgrath> and they all hang out in #osuosl
20:31 < mmcgrath> ricky: will do
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20:32 < mmcgrath> In addition to that I've been workign on publictest6 for the QA team.
20:32 < mmcgrath> they've got one of our mediawiki installs and are trying to check out some new extensions that they think will help.
20:32 < onekopaka> mmcgrath: are we still on the osuosl topic?
20:32 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: nope sorry
20:32 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- pt6
20:32 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- pt6
20:33 < mmcgrath> This is yet another example of the wiki getting in the middle of various teams workflow.
20:33 < ianweller> mmcgrath: did that export help?
20:33 < mmcgrath> ianweller: it did at first though the version I have up there now didn't use it.
20:33 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i am good at wiki work if i can help
20:33 < ianweller> oic.
20:33 < mmcgrath> hope it was at least a fun excersize :)
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20:33 < ianweller> oic.hehe
20:33 < ianweller> mmcgrath: what do you mean "getting in the middle" -- do you imply that it's good or bad?
20:33 < ianweller> or neither
20:33 < mmcgrath> ianweller: neither.
20:34 < mmcgrath> it's just that our wiki has always been a bit more than just an information wiki.
20:34 < mmcgrath> it sits in our workflow.
20:34 < ianweller> yeah.
20:34 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, what do we need the extra plugins for?
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20:34 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: I honestly don't even understand what those plugins do.
20:34 < mmcgrath> ianweller: do you know?
20:35  * mmcgrath gets the ticket number.
20:35 < ianweller> mmcgrath: not a clue.
20:35 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, unless there is a need, i dont think we need anything else
20:35 < ianweller> obviously they're so secretive, they fire the orbital laser whenever i make an edit with the edit summary "GRAHH"
20:35 < mmcgrath> .ticket 1473
20:35 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #1473 (Request for demo mediawiki instance for QA) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1473
20:35 < hiemanshu> we need no fancy stuff and keep it clean
20:35 < ianweller> hiemanshu: well, yeah.
20:35 < mmcgrath> Looks like mediawiki-semantic
20:35 < ianweller> hiemanshu: but then again we're also here to help provide the means of making life simpler for our community
20:36 < mmcgrath> especially the QA team which is really gaining speed.
20:36 < mmcgrath> I'm just trying to set up stuff they want and get out of their way.
20:36 < hiemanshu> ianweller, what exactly would those plugins do, if there is a reason i agree
20:36 < ianweller> read the ticket
20:36  * onekopaka has heard a little bit of stuff about semantic mediawiki on mediawiki-l
20:36 < hiemanshu> ianweller, doing that
20:37 < mmcgrath> http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_MediaWiki
20:37 < mmcgrath> that's the plugin
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20:37 < ianweller> so.. tagging
20:37 < mmcgrath> ianweller: some sort of super tagging I guess
20:37 < mmcgrath> we'll have to see what they come up with on pt6
20:37 < ianweller> magic tags
20:37 < mmcgrath> they very well may decide it doesn't do what they want :)
20:37 < mmcgrath> anywho, any more questions on that?
20:37 < ianweller> i'm glad they decided to go with a test instance
20:38 < hiemanshu> nope
20:38 < mmcgrath> ianweller: I'm happy to finally have the resources to arbitrarly do that stuff :)
20:38 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Zikula
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20:38 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: around?
20:38 < ke4qqq> yep
20:38 < ianweller> mmcgrath: :D
20:38 < mmcgrath> So hit us, whats the latest on that?
20:38 < ke4qqq> so sparks has been packaging like mad - and we are well nigh done with all of that save for two licensing hiccups
20:39 < ke4qqq> but upstream is being extremely responsive to our concerns
20:39 < ricky> Awesome :-)
20:39 < ke4qqq> and have rectified a number of issues already
20:39 < ke4qqq> basically all of the modules are in for review, most approved and already building
20:39 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: to give us an idea of how big of an undertaking this has been.
20:39 < mmcgrath> how many total packages have you guys had to create for this?
20:39 < smooge> zikula is the CMS?
20:39 < Sparks> ke4qqq: might be one more module coming
20:39 < ianweller> smooge: yes
20:39 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah
20:40 < ke4qqq> by the time we are done it will be upwards of 20
20:40 < hiemanshu> for what do we need the CMS btw?
20:40 < ricky> Woah :-)
20:40 < ke4qqq> we still have the fedora-specific stuff
20:40 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: the big one, docs.fedoraproject.org
20:40 < ke4qqq> and some of the modules had bundled libs that weren't already in our repos
20:40 < ianweller> mmcgrath: hiemanshu: and perhaps the main part of fp.o, eventually
20:40 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: the other thing is historical.  One interesting thing about our wiki is that it is largely contributor based.  There's some end user content on there, but not a lot.
20:40 < ianweller> (is what i've heard)
20:40 < ke4qqq> as did the core
20:40 < mmcgrath> ianweller: quite possibly.
20:41 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: so our docs team is pretty killer, good people.
20:41 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i dont like the idea of a CMD
20:41 < hiemanshu> CMS for fp.o
20:41 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, :)
20:41 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: but the process to actually build docs.fedoraproject.org is absolutely crazy.
20:41 < ricky> Docs is leading the efforts to get it running, then we'll evaluate it for websites.
20:42 < mmcgrath> yeah, it may be great, may not be.
20:42  * onekopaka doesn't want crazy processes to build documentation
20:42 -!- mchua [n=mchua at nat/redhat/x-b16f75e529e0390a] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:42 < smooge> maybe it will eat babies.. maybe it won't.
20:42 < mmcgrath> onekopaka: you should hang out in #fedora-docs and ask someone to step you through it.
20:42  * hiemanshu wonders if onekopaka is lost bro
20:42 < mmcgrath> it's hilarious.
20:42 < hiemanshu> is his*
20:42 < Sparks> crazy is an understatement
20:42  * onekopaka is totally lost
20:42 < ke4qqq> the current process def. eats babies and puppies
20:42 < mmcgrath> and nirik one time actually had us turn the cron job down because it was generating so much bandwidth :)
20:42 < ke4qqq> so eating babies would be an improvement
20:42 < mmcgrath> one thing I'm still curious about is how zikula + translations will work.
20:43 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: can you talk to that at all?
20:43 < ke4qqq> so zikula supports gettext
20:43 < nirik> mmcgrath: although that was when it was going over our old slow link. ;)
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20:43 < ke4qqq> and really is just going to serve up docbook rendered stuff ( and have an automated way to build all of it)
20:43 < ke4qqq> and that's as much as I know unfortunately :/
20:43 < ricky> Nice, I look forward to looking at that.
20:44 < hiemanshu> Looking forward to Zikula
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20:44 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: gettext?  so will this work with transifex or it's own thing completely?
20:44 < ricky> That'll work with transifex
20:44 < ke4qqq> upstream is building modules to build with publican and push out.
20:44 < ke4qqq> mmcgrath: it will work with transifex
20:44 < mmcgrath> no kidding?
20:44 < onekopaka> ke4qqq: that's good news
20:44 < mmcgrath> that's pretty amazing really.
20:44 < mmcgrath> Ok,
20:44 < ke4qqq> yeah upstream has been VERY responsive
20:44 < mmcgrath> ke4qqq: anything else on that topic?
20:44 < hiemanshu> Great news
20:44 < ke4qqq> nothing
20:44 < smooge> wow... that would be like cake and candy
20:44 < smooge> and rainbows.
20:45 < hiemanshu> and extra icing
20:45 < ke4qqq> and ponies
20:45  * smooge goes into diabetic coma
20:45 < hiemanshu> lol ponies
20:45 < mmcgrath> Ok ok
20:45 < mmcgrath> that means
20:45 < mmcgrath> next topic :)
20:45 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Smooge!
20:45 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Smooge!
20:45 < smooge> its time to introduce me?
20:45 < mmcgrath> So...
20:45 < mmcgrath> smooge has been hired on by RH to work with us on Infrastructure
20:45 < mmcgrath> so thank you RH
20:46 < mmcgrath> and thank you smooge!
20:46 < mmcgrath> smooge: say some stuff.
20:46  * mmcgrath thinks smooge wrote Internet Explorer.
20:46 < smooge> hi my name is Smooge 1000. I am an older bot who worked on Mirrors long ago.
20:46 < hiemanshu> smooge, a speech
20:46 < mmcgrath> :-P
20:46 < smooge> no I didn't write IE. I wrote 4 lines to make IE work on RH.
20:46 -!- ReneP [i=ReneP at a190119.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de] has quit 
20:46 < smooge> it was called Red Baron
20:46 < mmcgrath> hehehe, see.  Wrote IE.
20:46 < hiemanshu> i hate you smooge
20:46 < smooge> the real programmers wrote millions
20:47 < hiemanshu> you wrote IE :-0
20:47 < smooge> more lines than me.
20:47 < mmcgrath> heheeh
20:47 -!- bpepple [n=bpepple|@99-186-52-80.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net] has quit "Ex-Chat"
20:47 < smooge> i will say that if I had written IE then I would have been able to invest quite heavily in Linux from the IPO back in 1997
20:47 < mmcgrath> smooge: well welcome, I'm thrilled to have you working with all of us.  It'll help immensely
20:47 < hiemanshu> anyone here wrote FF for a IE vs FF battle :P
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20:48 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: heh, maybe later.
20:48 < mmcgrath> smooge: :)
20:48 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: it's abbreviated Fx
20:48 < mmcgrath> smooge: anything else to say?  If not we'll open the floor.
20:48  * onekopaka claps for smooge
20:48 < smooge> my main work at Red Hat previously was Tech Support and Mirror manager that was taken over later by Kambiz and then Mdomsch
20:48 < smooge> I will be Mike's PFO (Pimply Face Oldguy). I know where the bodies are buried?
20:49 < smooge> and I think I am done
20:49  * onekopaka claps for smooge again
20:49  * hiemanshu remembers the Tech Support jokes he read last night
20:49 < mmcgrath> smooge: heheheh
20:49 < mmcgrath> ok
20:49 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Open Floor
20:49 < hiemanshu> A big round of applause for smooge
20:49 -!- fedbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor
20:49 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
20:49 < smooge> ok and thankyou to Red Hat for making this possible.
20:49 < mmcgrath> we can keep talking about smooges awesomeness if we want.
20:49 < smooge> Actually I do have a couple of things
20:49 < SmootherFrOgZ> yep
20:50  * ianweller laughs at this
20:50 < SmootherFrOgZ> the fas integration for ovirt is almost done
20:50 < mmcgrath> smooge: have at it.
20:50 < mmcgrath> smooge: oof, one sec.
20:50 < smooge> 1) I am going over DNS on the 10.8.34 and should have stuff cleaned up soon.
20:50  * mmcgrath wants to hear this.
20:50 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: you first, how's that all going?
20:50 < smooge> waits sorry.
20:50 < SmootherFrOgZ> pretty well, i'm gonna integrate it this night for test
20:51 < SmootherFrOgZ> i'm gonna need to have ruby-json into infra repo
20:51 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: is that something we can't put in EPEL?
20:51 -!- openpercept [n=openperc at fedora/openpercept] has quit Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
20:51 < SmootherFrOgZ> we can, i already requested a review for this package
20:52 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: oh excellent, i'd assumed it was some weird rhel subpackage they didn't enable :)
20:52 < SmootherFrOgZ> maybe, yeah :)
20:52 < SmootherFrOgZ> so
20:53 < sijis> smooge: congrats :)
20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: and how does the auth work exactly?  similar to how the mediawiki plugin works?
20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: how does the authorization get created?
20:53 < SmootherFrOgZ> do we want that permission also managed by FAS for heac pool*
20:53 < smooge> what is heac pool?
20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: naw, I'd rather manage per pool and ovirt privileges in ovirt.
20:53 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: i worked on a python-fedora port and , built a ovirt plugin to deal with
20:54 < ricky> smooge: each pool, I think :-)
20:54 < mmcgrath> but we need the right users to show up in there, and to give them authentication.
20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> <nod>
20:54 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: cool, so anything else on that?  Let me know when it's test ready :)
20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: so you still want the way to level up a user through ovirt UI ?
20:55 < smooge> ricky, ok sorry.. I thought it might be a new acronym
20:55 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: yeah
20:55 < SmootherFrOgZ> k
20:55 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: thanks for that.
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20:55 < mmcgrath> Ok, since we're running short on time.
20:56 < mmcgrath> smooge: take it.
20:56 < SmootherFrOgZ> last note, upstream is interested to get this work into the base code (iirc)
20:56 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: even more betta :)
20:56  * onekopaka freaks about "more betta"
20:56 < smooge> ok so tuesday I started going through the 10.8.34 network to see what was registered correctly/incorrectly
20:57 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i have a few things to ask though, 1> What DB fas uses? 2> Is it possible to let WPMU directly talk to the DB
20:57 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: postgres and no.
20:57 < onekopaka> I knew it!
20:57 < mmcgrath> unless you're relying on apache auth.
20:57 < mmcgrath> smooge: thanks for that.
20:57 < smooge> we had 6 hosts unregistered in DNS (mostly DRAC/IBMstuff cards)
20:57 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, i mean can i let it talk to the DB, if i program it
20:57 < smooge> mmcgrath, is tracking down there hosts.
20:57 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: no
20:58 < mmcgrath> hiemanshu: you'll have to go through the json interface.
20:58 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: yep
20:58 < smooge> there were a couple of bad Reverse DNS but not many.. and there are about 20 hosts that are registered that can be unallocated.
20:58 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: there's builtin JSON support in the PHP on pt machines, IIRC
20:58 < mmcgrath> smooge: it's on my todo :)
20:58 < hiemanshu> mmcgrath, python script to do so? I have an idea on my mind
20:58 < ricky> smooge: If you're going to be sending in DNS requests soon, feel free to include http://ricky.fedorapeople.org/curr.ips as well
20:58 < smooge> ricky, will do so after this meeting.
20:58 < ricky> hiemanshu: We can discuss methods for talking to FAS after the meeting if you want
20:58 < ricky> Thanks
20:58 < mmcgrath> smooge: interesting about the reverse dns, but not surprising.
20:59 < hiemanshu> ricky, allright
20:59  * onekopaka is seeing the seconds slip
20:59 < smooge> Once I have that network 'cleaned' up (and I have to say its very clean)
20:59 < smooge> I will move to others as needed
20:59 < smooge> I will also be cleaning up some systems as needed
20:59 < smooge> (making sure func and puppet agree with each other etc)
20:59 < ricky> smooge: It'd be good to start up a document with all this info so that we can stay clean in the future
20:59 < ricky> (Our IP allocations, etc.)
21:00 < smooge> ricky, I will do so. where do I put it?
21:00  * mmcgrath would like to do that in the inventory management system if we can.
21:00 < mmcgrath> we have a proof of concept and stuff setup
21:00 < ricky> Oh, didn't know about that
21:00 < smooge> ok will look at that.
21:00  * onekopaka looks at his clock
21:00  * smooge moves the clock back
21:00 < smooge> I will report the rest on the list.
21:00  * hiemanshu 's clocks rings, 2:30 AM time for bed
21:00 < mmcgrath> Ok guys times up!
21:01 < mmcgrath> #meetingend
21:01 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting
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