From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Thu Apr 1 16:56:53 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:56:53 -0500 Subject: ethereal security problems Message-ID: <406C49D5.4060705@ysu.edu> Red Hat fixed the security issues in Red Hat Linux 9 by upgrading to 0.10.3. Should we do this? Also, I tried to build ethereal 0.10.3 on Red Hat Linux 7.2 using mach. It builds OK after I change the net-snmp-* BuildRequires to ucd-snmp-*, but for some reason configure is setting up the Makefile to install the binaries with an i386-redhat-linux- prefix and RPM reports missing files. Any configure gurus understand why this might happen? Thanks, John From michal at harddata.com Thu Apr 1 18:15:25 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:15:25 -0700 Subject: ethereal security problems In-Reply-To: <406C49D5.4060705@ysu.edu>; from jpdalbec@ysu.edu on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 11:56:53AM -0500 References: <406C49D5.4060705@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <20040401111525.C20709@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 11:56:53AM -0500, John Dalbec wrote: > Red Hat fixed the security issues in Red Hat Linux 9 by upgrading to 0.10.3. > Should we do this? Judging from that that the same fix was published for "enterprise", and those are much closer to 7.x and 8 releases, then the answer most likely will be yes. > Also, I tried to build ethereal 0.10.3 on Red Hat Linux 7.2 > using mach. You probably will fare better by using the latest 7.x source rpm (which happens to be 'legacy' from January) and applying that fix on the top of it. 7 and 8 are using etheral version 0.9.16 and not 0.10.3. I will try to look at that a bit later. Michal From michal at harddata.com Fri Apr 2 02:54:30 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:54:30 -0700 Subject: ethereal security problems In-Reply-To: <406C49D5.4060705@ysu.edu>; from jpdalbec@ysu.edu on Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 11:56:53AM -0500 References: <406C49D5.4060705@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <20040401195430.A3579@mail.harddata.com> On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 11:56:53AM -0500, John Dalbec wrote: > Red Hat fixed the security issues in Red Hat Linux 9 by upgrading to 0.10.3. I looked at this a bit closer. From advisories it follows that version of ethereal used on "legacy" systems are indeed affected by the issue. Also problems were indeed fixed by bumping up a version and not by patching what was used so likely we should do the same. I attach a spec file and two patches which are "carry-overs" from the previous version (i.e. parts which make sense). Other sources listed there come from either ethereal-0.9.16-0.73.2.legacy.src.rpm _or_ from ethereal-0.10.3-0.90.1.src.rpm. There is more protocols supported and even if some "leftover" files from libtool were dropped the whole thing is quite a bit bigger. It installs and works for me just fine. It was only a light testing but it captures, saves to a file, loads from a file, filters. I did that on RH7.3 installation. Most likely this fits 7.2 as well. How this should be done for RH8 I have no idea. Probably something similar. Go for it! > and RPM reports missing files. Some new files are needed. 'ethereal-gnome' content looks the same but 'ethereal' ends up with 102 entries on a list. Michal -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ethereal.add.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 4405 bytes Desc: not available URL: From linux at bytebot.net Fri Apr 2 06:18:03 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:18:03 +1000 Subject: Legacy going to move...? Message-ID: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> Hi all, Will Fedora Legacy soon (~May) stop supporting RH 7.x by the time we hit mid-May, and only do support for RH8,9 and FC1? Would love a statement from someone in the know for the next issue of FNU #10 - since this will be a big deal for people still on 7.x systems, which Progeny (?) still supports Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere Regards -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 06:28:00 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:28:00 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <20040402002800.hqbg0sso484sgk0c@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Colin Charles : > Will Fedora Legacy soon (~May) stop supporting RH 7.x by the time we hit > mid-May, and only do support for RH8,9 and FC1? No, it will continue to support RH 7.x for as long as possible/feasible. -- Eric Rostetter From eric.rostetter at physics.utexas.edu Thu Apr 1 17:27:29 2004 From: eric.rostetter at physics.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:27:29 -0600 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support Message-ID: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> With the Red Hat 9 support ending with the end of this new month, I took a minute to reflect on the Red Hat 8.0 support in FL. Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? And there is still no yum for Red Hat 8.0. Is there a reason for this? I've asked before and got no answer. I supposed I could submit one, but unless I get an answer as to the status of it (reason for it not existing) I probably won't. If we can start hashing out the RH 8.0 stuff before the flood of RH 9 stuff comes in, we'll be in better shape. I know if I had a working apt-get for RH 8.0 I'd do more testing of the RH 8.0 test-releases than I do now... I bet a few others are in the same boat. What, if anything, can I do to help? -- Eric Rostetter The Department of Physics The University of Texas at Austin Why get even? Get odd! From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 06:29:14 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:29:14 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 00:18, Colin Charles wrote: > Hi all, > > Will Fedora Legacy soon (~May) stop supporting RH 7.x by the time we hit > mid-May, and only do support for RH8,9 and FC1? No. FL will continue to support 7.x, 8, and soon 9 until there is no more community interest in these releases. Only the Fedora Core releases will be put on a deprecation schedule. At any given time, Fedora legacy will be supporting 2 Fedora Core releases. > Would love a statement from someone in the know for the next issue of > FNU #10 - since this will be a big deal for people still on 7.x systems, > which Progeny (?) still supports See above statement. I'd be more than happy to answer any other statements, or partake in an interview. Getting the info about our project out there is very important, as we need more volunteers. > Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere It hasn't exactly been clear. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 06:36:22 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:36:22 -0600 Subject: Fedora Legacy Test Update Notification: openssl In-Reply-To: <1080120161.30571.5.camel@led.fsid.cvut.cz> References: <1080120161.30571.5.camel@led.fsid.cvut.cz> Message-ID: <200404020036.22597.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:22, Milan Slana? wrote: > openssl package for i686 is missing from 7.2/updates-testing directory! > > yum suggests updating only openssl-devel package for me. Yes, this is my mistake. When I release them full, I'll include i686. For now the 7.3 i686 package will work. The packages between 7.2 and 7.3 are identical. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Apr 2 06:35:58 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 01:35:58 -0500 Subject: Error message from yum update on RedHat 7.2 syatem In-Reply-To: <40694A4C.2070309@iitb.ac.in> References: <40694A4C.2070309@iitb.ac.in> Message-ID: <1080887758.19098.21.camel@binkley> On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 15:52 +0530, Nachiketa Sadhu wrote: > Hi, > > I installed yum on a RedHat 7.2 system as explained in "Using > Fedora Legacy's yum for Red Hat Linux 7.x" documentation. On > giving the command to update, I am getting the following error > message: > [root at abhikalpa root]# yum update > Gathering package information from servers > Getting headers from: Red Hat Linux 7.2 base > Error getting file > http://download.fedoralegacy.org/redhat/7.2/os/i386/headers/header.info > [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno socket error] nonnumeric port > > I am behind a proxy server, and use a HTTP_PROXY setting. > > Can any one suggest any solution? > Does your proxy server have an alternate port you're specifying? I'm pretty sure this came up on the yum list about 2 or maybe 3 months ago - but I'm unsure what the resolution was - could you look back through those archives? -sv From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Apr 2 08:03:10 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:03:10 -0500 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> > Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning > apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. > It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I > heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, > which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream > changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? 8.0 support sucks b/c from what I can tell there are about 5 people on the planet using 8.0. It was not a widely installed release b/c a lot of people were waiting for an 8.1 at that point and then when 9 came out they jumped to that, instead. > And there is still no yum for Red Hat 8.0. Is there a reason for this? > I've asked before and got no answer. I supposed I could submit one, but > unless I get an answer as to the status of it (reason for it not existing) > I probably won't. yum is tricky for 8.0 b/c of the rpm 4.1 vs rpm 4.0.4 thing - yum 2.0.X doesn't work with rpm 4.1 b/c of something missing from the rpm bindings. So you can use yum 1.0.X with librpm404-python installed. However, there are lots of folks who wanted to upgrade to rpm 4.1.1 - which ameliorates the rpmdb lock up problems. yum 1.0.X and rpm 4.1.1 don't get along so much but yum 2.0.X and rpm 4.1.1 do. So if you upgrade to rpm 4.1.1 you need to upgrade yum to 2.0.X. So 8.0 has been a bastard release where you have to play games with what version of rpm you're using vis-a-vis the rpm-python applications. > If we can start hashing out the RH 8.0 stuff before the flood of RH 9 stuff > comes in, we'll be in better shape. I disagree - I'd be curious about taking some web server statistics to find out if 8.0 is being used at all. How many people are left still supporting 8.0? How much work are they willing to put into it? I know I don't have any 8.0 boxes anywhere and therefore have very low interest in spending time on it. -sv From mic at npgx.com.au Fri Apr 2 08:08:01 2004 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:08:01 +1000 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> Unfortunately I still run 2 RH8 production systems, one firewall and proxy caching server while the other web, smtp, dns, dhcp, pop, mail and some monitoring. I've migrated most services already to FC1, but these last remaining boxes have to be migrated, I just haven't had the time. But to answer your query below, I'm sure there's still plenty of ppl that run it in production, just they are trying to migrate away from it. It worked, but I find FC1 much better. Michael. > > Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning > > apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. > > It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I > > heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, > > which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream > > changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? > > 8.0 support sucks b/c from what I can tell there are about 5 people > on the planet using 8.0. It was not a widely installed release b/c a > lot of people were waiting for an 8.1 at that point and then when 9 > came out they jumped to that, instead. > > > And there is still no yum for Red Hat 8.0. Is there a reason for this? > > I've asked before and got no answer. I supposed I could submit one, but > > unless I get an answer as to the status of it (reason for it not existing) > > I probably won't. > > yum is tricky for 8.0 b/c of the rpm 4.1 vs rpm 4.0.4 thing - yum 2.0.X > doesn't work with rpm 4.1 b/c of something missing from the rpm > bindings. So you can use yum 1.0.X with librpm404-python installed. > > However, there are lots of folks who wanted to upgrade to rpm 4.1.1 - > which ameliorates the rpmdb lock up problems. yum 1.0.X and rpm 4.1.1 > don't get along so much but yum 2.0.X and rpm 4.1.1 do. So if you > upgrade to rpm 4.1.1 you need to upgrade yum to 2.0.X. So 8.0 has > been a bastard release where you have to play games with what > version of rpm you're using vis-a-vis the rpm-python applications. > > > If we can start hashing out the RH 8.0 stuff before the flood of RH 9 stuff > > comes in, we'll be in better shape. > > I disagree - I'd be curious about taking some web server statistics > to find out if 8.0 is being used at all. How many people are left still > supporting 8.0? How much work are they willing to put into it? I > know I don't have any 8.0 boxes anywhere and therefore have very low > interest in spending time on it. > > -sv > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ------- End of Original Message ------- From skvidal at phy.duke.edu Fri Apr 2 08:44:44 2004 From: skvidal at phy.duke.edu (seth vidal) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:44:44 -0500 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <1080895484.19098.41.camel@binkley> > But to answer your query below, I'm sure there's still plenty of ppl that > run it in production, just they are trying to migrate away from it. It > worked, but I find FC1 much better. right - but how many of the people who still run it in production are willing to pitch in to help fix problems when they arise? That's the real crux of the issue. -sv From mic at npgx.com.au Fri Apr 2 08:48:35 2004 From: mic at npgx.com.au (Michael Mansour) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:48:35 +1000 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080895484.19098.41.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> <1080895484.19098.41.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20040402084803.M81475@npgx.com.au> Yes I agree, I'm certainly not one, I can't wait to get off it. Michael. ---------- Original Message ----------- From: seth vidal To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project Sent: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 03:44:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support > > But to answer your query below, I'm sure there's still plenty of ppl that > > run it in production, just they are trying to migrate away from it. It > > worked, but I find FC1 much better. > > right - but how many of the people who still run it in production are > willing to pitch in to help fix problems when they arise? > That's the real crux of the issue. > > -sv > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ------- End of Original Message ------- From john.pybus at zoology.oxford.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 08:59:31 2004 From: john.pybus at zoology.oxford.ac.uk (John Pybus) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:59:31 +0100 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 02 April 2004 00:18, Colin Charles wrote: > >>Hi all, >> >>Will Fedora Legacy soon (~May) stop supporting RH 7.x by the time we hit >>mid-May, and only do support for RH8,9 and FC1? > > > No. FL will continue to support 7.x, 8, and soon 9 until there is no more > community interest in these releases. Only the Fedora Core releases will > be put on a deprecation schedule. At any given time, Fedora legacy will > be supporting 2 Fedora Core releases. > You seem to be suggesting that Fedora legacy will support 7.x while there is a community to do so, but will drop support for FC1 community interest or not. Surely that's not right? I appreciate a minimum supported time for FCx being defined, but after that FC1 should be in the same boat as RH9. If there is a large enough user community why shouldn't support continue? John From john.pybus at zoology.oxford.ac.uk Fri Apr 2 10:51:49 2004 From: john.pybus at zoology.oxford.ac.uk (John Pybus) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:51:49 +0100 Subject: OSVDB Message-ID: <406D45C5.9040005@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> I'm sure people will have seen this already. In any case, it looks like a good central source of vulnerability information: http://www.osvdb.org/ OSVDB is an independent and open source database created by and for the community. Our goal is to provide accurate, detailed, current, and unbiased technical information. Yours, John From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Fri Apr 2 12:07:12 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:07:12 +0200 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040402140712.1c869924.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:11:35 +0100, Boris Folgmann wrote: > I tried to recompile the FC1-SRPM of the brandnew GIMP 2 stable release > from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/users/drc on a RH9 system. > > Problems are failed build dependencies: > gtk2-devel >= 2.2.2 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > fontconfig-devel >= 2.2.0 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > > I tried rpmbuild --rebuild --nodeps gimp-2.0.0-1.src.rpm, > but the GTK+ test program failed, so it seems that those newer versions are > really needed. Can anybody tell me how much needs to be done to do the > recompile w/o upgrading the entire RH9 system to FC1? [What has this to do with Fedora Legacy?] You may need to upgrade the gtk2 2.2.1 and fontconfig 2.1 packages to meet gimp's requirements. Rebuilding them from src.rpm may work, and whether the resulting binary rpms will be compatible with the rest of Red Hat Linux 9 remains to be seen. From dawson at fnal.gov Fri Apr 2 13:28:17 2004 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:28:17 -0600 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> Hi Boris, RedHat 9 isn't legacy yet, so maybe this isn't the best place to send this. ;) But, if you go to http://www.gimp.org/unix/ They have a link for RedHat 9 rpm's, and the SRPM's are there too. Troy Boris Folgmann wrote: >Hi! > >I tried to recompile the FC1-SRPM of the brandnew GIMP 2 stable release >from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/users/drc on a RH9 system. > >Problems are failed build dependencies: > gtk2-devel >= 2.2.2 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > fontconfig-devel >= 2.2.0 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > >I tried rpmbuild --rebuild --nodeps gimp-2.0.0-1.src.rpm, >but the GTK+ test program failed, so it seems that those newer versions are >really needed. Can anybody tell me how much needs to be done to do the >recompile w/o upgrading the entire RH9 system to FC1? > >greetings, > boris > > > >-- >fedora-legacy-list mailing list >fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > > -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From dawson at fnal.gov Fri Apr 2 13:28:17 2004 From: dawson at fnal.gov (Troy Dawson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:28:17 -0600 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> Hi Boris, RedHat 9 isn't legacy yet, so maybe this isn't the best place to send this. ;) But, if you go to http://www.gimp.org/unix/ They have a link for RedHat 9 rpm's, and the SRPM's are there too. Troy Boris Folgmann wrote: >Hi! > >I tried to recompile the FC1-SRPM of the brandnew GIMP 2 stable release >from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/users/drc on a RH9 system. > >Problems are failed build dependencies: > gtk2-devel >= 2.2.2 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > fontconfig-devel >= 2.2.0 is needed by gimp-2.0.0-1 > >I tried rpmbuild --rebuild --nodeps gimp-2.0.0-1.src.rpm, >but the GTK+ test program failed, so it seems that those newer versions are >really needed. Can anybody tell me how much needs to be done to do the >recompile w/o upgrading the entire RH9 system to FC1? > >greetings, > boris > > > >-- >fedora-legacy-list mailing list >fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com >http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > > -- __________________________________________________ Troy Dawson dawson at fnal.gov (630)840-6468 Fermilab ComputingDivision/CSS CSI Group __________________________________________________ From maillist at jasonlim.com Fri Apr 2 14:45:15 2004 From: maillist at jasonlim.com (Jason Lim) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:45:15 +0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione><200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <04e001c418c1$1c45d5b0$0900a8c0@SYSTEM9> > You seem to be suggesting that Fedora legacy will support 7.x while > there is a community to do so, but will drop support for FC1 community > interest or not. Surely that's not right? > > I appreciate a minimum supported time for FCx being defined, but after > that FC1 should be in the same boat as RH9. If there is a large enough > user community why shouldn't support continue? > I'm taking a logical guess at this, but with there being so many FCx being released (due to the very fast release schedule) there would be many many releases to follow up on. This contrasts with the 7.2/7.3 and 8/9 releases. The goal of Fedora is to release about 3 times a year, so you can imagine that after a year there will be about the same amount to maintain as the past previous releases over 3 years! And that compounds... after 2 years, there will be 6 releases of Fedora to maintain. It just becomes one big headache to maintain it all. And anyway, Fedora was not intended to be used in "stable" applications like servers without upgrading. It is expected that you would constantly upgrade... so the Fedora Legacy project would be providing you some extra time to make that transition (eg. test your applications on the new FC release). It is not intended to replace the constant upgrading, just delay the process a bit to give you some leeway to eventually upgrade. The difference with the RH7.x and 8/9 releases is that there is no upgrade path, so they must be supported directly... and besides, they won't increase in number now, so it is much easier to provide support for a "static" release, where the quirks are known, rather than the FC releases... each with it's own quirks and new features/bugs. Of course, the big wigs at the Fedora Legacy may disagree with me... but i think the above is a logical way to explain it, if not the only reason :-) From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Fri Apr 2 14:53:12 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:53:12 -0500 Subject: fedora-legacy-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <20040402104542.E990574711@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040402104542.E990574711@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <406D7E58.7060702@ysu.edu> > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:27:29 -0600 > From: Eric Rostetter > Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support > To: "fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com" > Message-ID: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o at mail.ph.utexas.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > With the Red Hat 9 support ending with the end of this new month, I took > a minute to reflect on the Red Hat 8.0 support in FL. > > Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning > apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. > It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I > heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, > which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream > changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? I recently posted new packages to the bug report. I see Panu has packaged cnc6 now. Maybe I should rebuild these? I decided to use (FC release - 1).rh(RHL version).(FC release) in the package "release" field to avoid rpmvercmp problems. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 New apt packages are available from http://www.fedoralegacy.org/contrib/apt : 7bfeaee0f0c39742d336fa4d9c6504d61a56c196 \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh72.10.legacy.i386.rpm 865542cc0223dd5855354ba7d66d9e575cec40a7 \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh72.10.legacy.src.rpm 5d0c501b7deaa3f52de67802b11e1eed8b1262fa \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh73.10.legacy.i386.rpm 6eea40e1f5c08a2040969870d45bcb007a88ea68 \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh73.10.legacy.src.rpm 9e91d8139b0d31b3b4b0351842fec5b089444d03 \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh80.10.legacy.i386.rpm cb8a605847a1211c20bd2b6bef1ac8a9ddd99b38 \ apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh80.10.legacy.src.rpm 5be69465e8ed0028db74f93efa3aacd7ae988860 \ apt-devel-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh72.10.legacy.i386.rpm bb267301d4ab0c4ef099e393eb8a7cdd9ccc5e48 \ apt-devel-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh73.10.legacy.i386.rpm 88a8a84b2f0b7ace1f1487108d1ed851cdfc2e31 \ apt-devel-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh80.10.legacy.i386.rpm Changelog entry: * Mon Mar 29 2004 John Dalbec \ 0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh73.10.legacy - - Merge in changes to mirror-selector from Panu's package - - Change release format to avoid rpmvercmp problems - - Use Panu's naming and numbering for epoch-promotion patch - - Make rpm_ver overridable for mach .src.rpm build - - Remove unpackaged locale.alias file created by --with-included-gettext -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAafDwJL4A+ldA7asRAoY4AJ9Tmfa+hZj07zFhVhyqxE2TzsgrTwCfW7fL YVaWaXaSZcrsr3tOmzAo5t0= =gwBT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hbo at egbok.com Fri Apr 2 15:33:00 2004 From: hbo at egbok.com (Howard Owen) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 07:33:00 -0800 Subject: XFree86 Errata? Message-ID: <1080919980.19286.7.camel@owen.egbok.com> Do RHSA-2004:059 RHSA-2004:060 RHSA-2004:061 apply to 7.2, 7.3 and 8? Progeny seems to think so. (The last one is just a mod to the x86-64 and s390 packages.) -- Howard Owen "Even if you are on the right EGBOK Consultants track, you'll get run over if you hbo at egbok.com +1-650-218-2216 just sit there." - Will Rogers From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 16:52:23 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:52:23 -0600 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> Message-ID: <20040402105223.ornkx0gg0g4ko84o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Michael Mansour : > Unfortunately I still run 2 RH8 production systems, I run one production server on RH 8.0. I also support some users (desktop/laptop) using it, but the server is the important one. Otherwise I wouldn't have posed the question(s). -- Eric Rostetter From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 16:47:04 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:47:04 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> Message-ID: <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 00:59, John Pybus wrote: > You seem to be suggesting that Fedora legacy will support 7.x while > there is a community to do so, but will drop support for FC1 > community interest or not. Surely that's not right? > > I appreciate a minimum supported time for FCx being defined, but > after that FC1 should be in the same boat as RH9. If there is a > large enough user community why shouldn't support continue? Our resources are already spread thin. I'm pretty disappointed with the lack of community effort. There are a few hard working people, but nothing near what I had hoped for. Taking on more than what we can really feasibly do will be bad for the project. I'd much rather fully support a few releases, than halfassed support many many releases. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 16:57:15 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:57:15 -0600 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080895484.19098.41.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> <20040402080522.M4168@npgx.com.au> <1080895484.19098.41.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20040402105715.g4x9eswwosgcc8ok@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting seth vidal : >> But to answer your query below, I'm sure there's still plenty of ppl >> that run it in production, just they are trying to migrate away from >> it. It worked, but I find FC1 much better. > > right - but how many of the people who still run it in production are > willing to pitch in to help fix problems when they arise? > That's the real crux of the issue. > > -sv Me for one. -- Eric Rostetter From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 16:53:44 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:53:44 -0800 Subject: XFree86 Errata? In-Reply-To: <1080919980.19286.7.camel@owen.egbok.com> References: <1080919980.19286.7.camel@owen.egbok.com> Message-ID: <200404020853.44466.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 07:33, Howard Owen wrote: > Do > RHSA-2004:059 > RHSA-2004:060 > RHSA-2004:061 > > apply to 7.2, 7.3 and 8? Progeny seems to think so. > (The last one is just a mod to the x86-64 and s390 packages.) I believe there is already a bug for this. And packages up for QA. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From guallar at easternrad.com Fri Apr 2 17:32:33 2004 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:32:33 -0500 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200404021232.33146.guallar@easternrad.com> On Friday 02 April 2004 11:47 am, Jesse Keating wrote: > Our resources are already spread thin. ?I'm pretty disappointed with the > lack of community effort. ?There are a few hard working people, but > nothing near what I had hoped for. ?Taking on more than what we can > really feasibly do will be bad for the project. ?I'd much rather fully > support a few releases, than halfassed support many many releases. What about asking for support from the community? To gather support, the project needs to be visible. Make it visible. I didn't knew of this project until not so long ago. What about sending a bunch of articles to the usual places? Slashdot, Newsforge, Freshmeat, LinuxGazzette, local user groups... And, on each one, do a call for volunteers. Specify what resources and talents are needed. There's a saying that goes like "He who doesn't cry, gets no milk" (of course this is a on-the-fly translation) Salut, Josep -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com From hbo at egbok.com Fri Apr 2 19:17:01 2004 From: hbo at egbok.com (Howard Owen) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:17:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: XFree86 Errata? In-Reply-To: <200404020853.44466.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: Yes, I found that out after I had sent this. Sorry. Next time I'll check Bugzilla before posting. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 02 April 2004 07:33, Howard Owen wrote: > > Do > > RHSA-2004:059 > > RHSA-2004:060 > > RHSA-2004:061 > > > > apply to 7.2, 7.3 and 8? Progeny seems to think so. > > (The last one is just a mod to the x86-64 and s390 packages.) > > I believe there is already a bug for this. And packages up for QA. > > -- Howard Owen "Even if you are on the right EGBOK Consultants track, you'll get run over if you hbo at egbok.com +1-650-218-2216 just sit there." - Will Rogers From warlock at eskimo.com Fri Apr 2 19:36:30 2004 From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:36:30 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 08:47:04AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Content-Description: signed data >On Friday 02 April 2004 00:59, John Pybus wrote: >> You seem to be suggesting that Fedora legacy will support 7.x while >> there is a community to do so, but will drop support for FC1 >> community interest or not. Surely that's not right? >> >> I appreciate a minimum supported time for FCx being defined, but >> after that FC1 should be in the same boat as RH9. If there is a >> large enough user community why shouldn't support continue? > >Our resources are already spread thin. I'm pretty disappointed with the >lack of community effort. There are a few hard working people, but >nothing near what I had hoped for. Taking on more than what we can >really feasibly do will be bad for the project. I'd much rather fully >support a few releases, than halfassed support many many releases. Well, I appreciate the effort going into FL, I have 2 servers with RH7.X/FL and one with RH9 soon to go FL. So I directly benefit from FL. But how can I help? I am not much of a programmer, and I can't risk the servers by "testing" packages. What can I do to help? -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock Think for yourselves and allow others the privilege to do the same. - Voltare -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 19:39:50 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:39:50 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 11:36, Jim Richardson wrote: > Well, I appreciate the effort going into FL, I have 2 servers with > RH7.X/FL and one with RH9 soon to go FL. So I directly benefit from > FL. But how can I help? I am not much of a programmer, and I can't > risk the servers by "testing" packages. What can I do to help? Care to write some documentation, or edit documentation? Do any web development? Want to write some press releases? Want to scare up some more mirrors for our project? Want to scare up some cash donations to purchase equipment for testing/building/signing/serving? There are some ways that you (and other people) can help (: -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From cspencer at cait.org Fri Apr 2 19:49:28 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:49:28 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1080935368.11744.229.camel@cnote> I wouldn't mind taking a shot at PR -Chris On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:39, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Friday 02 April 2004 11:36, Jim Richardson wrote: > > Well, I appreciate the effort going into FL, I have 2 servers with > > RH7.X/FL and one with RH9 soon to go FL. So I directly benefit from > > FL. But how can I help? I am not much of a programmer, and I can't > > risk the servers by "testing" packages. What can I do to help? > > Care to write some documentation, or edit documentation? Do any web > development? Want to write some press releases? Want to scare up some > more mirrors for our project? Want to scare up some cash donations to > purchase equipment for testing/building/signing/serving? There are > some ways that you (and other people) can help (: From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 19:52:56 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:52:56 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <406D2B73.4020204@zoology.oxford.ac.uk> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <20040402135256.nfm04so4s4o4swwo@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Jim Richardson : > Well, I appreciate the effort going into FL, I have 2 servers with > RH7.X/FL and one with RH9 soon to go FL. So I directly benefit from FL. > But how can I help? I am not much of a programmer, and I can't risk the > servers by "testing" packages. What can I do to help? If you can setup a test box (an old obsolete box maybe) then you can help test on that. Otherwise, pool what ever talents you have. If you are a good technical/document writer, help write docs. If you are good with web sites, help with the FL web site. If you are a journalist, write articled about FL to help spread the word. If you can, subscribe to security notice lists, and report problems as they appear to FL. If you're rich, donate money to FL. :) If you speak a language other than English, help translate some of the docs or web pages. In other words, find a nitch and move in. See http://fedoralegacy.org/participate/ for some ideas, but there are others besides what are listed there. -- Eric Rostetter From warlock at eskimo.com Fri Apr 2 20:00:24 2004 From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:00:24 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 11:39:50AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Content-Description: signed data >On Friday 02 April 2004 11:36, Jim Richardson wrote: >> Well, I appreciate the effort going into FL, I have 2 servers with >> RH7.X/FL and one with RH9 soon to go FL. So I directly benefit from >> FL. But how can I help? I am not much of a programmer, and I can't >> risk the servers by "testing" packages. What can I do to help? > >Care to write some documentation, or edit documentation? Do any web >development? Want to write some press releases? Want to scare up some >more mirrors for our project? Want to scare up some cash donations to >purchase equipment for testing/building/signing/serving? There are >some ways that you (and other people) can help (: > What's "web developement?" exactly? I might be able to scare up some space, how much is needed for a mirror? Bandwidth is more of an issue frankly. One server I have is pretty underutilised b/w wise, and I can push it as support for the FL systems we have :) Do you have someone to coordinate volunteer efforts? or is this fairly ad-hoc? (speaking of which, I haven't been to the website for FL in a while...hang on) Looks like there's a decent page for help stuff. -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock I feel much better, now that I've given up hope. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 20:00:30 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:00:30 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 12:00, Jim Richardson wrote: > What's "web developement?" exactly? Making web pages, making images, uploading docs, etc... > I might be able to scare up some space, how much is needed for a > mirror? Bandwidth is more of an issue frankly. One server I have is > pretty underutilised b/w wise, and I can push it as support for the > FL systems we have :) Bandwidth needs are pretty intense. Consider that at least somebody once a week is going to get the bright idea to pull down the entire tree, some 5~ GB worth of data. Invariably, this person will be on broadband, and thus will use every ounce of your available upstream to pull it down ): You can throttle and such, but still people will want to download. Most mirrors you find out there are University like folks that have bandwidth to spare. > Do you have someone to coordinate volunteer efforts? or is this > fairly ad-hoc? (speaking of which, I haven't been to the website for > FL in a while...hang on) Looks like there's a decent page for help > stuff. We don't have any coordinated efforts just yet. Most things come through me. Eric Rostetter is currently in charge of the website, we both work on it together. (Well he works on it, I say "wow, that looks great!"). -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 20:01:01 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:01:01 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <1080935368.11744.229.camel@cnote> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1080935368.11744.229.camel@cnote> Message-ID: <200404021201.01621.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 11:49, Chris Spencer wrote: > I wouldn't mind taking a shot at PR Great! Do up an article or something, float it through the mailing list, we'll critique it and let you publish it (: -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 20:13:56 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:13:56 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020847.10905.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402193630.GC14805@grendel.myth> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <20040402141356.ciz09w0kgwoosc44@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Jim Richardson : > What's "web developement?" exactly? Anything you want it to be. Writting web pages, whether documentation or nifty things like php-based menuing or what ever. Hosting a mirror site. Translating web pages to other languages. Registering us with search engines or other sites. What ever you have experience at really. > Do you have someone to coordinate volunteer efforts? or is this fairly > ad-hoc? Jesse and/or the mailing list. (So, rather ad-hoc). > (speaking of which, I haven't been to the website for FL in a > while...hang on) Looks like there's a decent page for help stuff. Please do check it out! -- Eric Rostetter From warlock at eskimo.com Fri Apr 2 20:26:19 2004 From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:26:19 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <20040402202619.GG14805@grendel.myth> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 12:00:30PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Content-Description: signed data >On Friday 02 April 2004 12:00, Jim Richardson wrote: >> What's "web developement?" exactly? > >Making web pages, making images, uploading docs, etc... > I can assist with that. Who do I talk to? Eric? >> I might be able to scare up some space, how much is needed for a >> mirror? Bandwidth is more of an issue frankly. One server I have is >> pretty underutilised b/w wise, and I can push it as support for the >> FL systems we have :) > >Bandwidth needs are pretty intense. Consider that at least somebody >once a week is going to get the bright idea to pull down the entire >tree, some 5~ GB worth of data. Invariably, this person will be on >broadband, and thus will use every ounce of your available upstream to >pull it down ): You can throttle and such, but still people will want >to download. Most mirrors you find out there are University like folks >that have bandwidth to spare. > That could be a problem, I mean, we have ~1TB/Mo available, but we are using in excess of half that now. I don't think I could convince the powers that be to pay for extra b/w for this :) sad to say. Anyone use mod_throttle ? Would that work for this? >> Do you have someone to coordinate volunteer efforts? or is this >> fairly ad-hoc? (speaking of which, I haven't been to the website for >> FL in a while...hang on) Looks like there's a decent page for help >> stuff. > >We don't have any coordinated efforts just yet. Most things come >through me. Eric Rostetter is currently in charge of the website, we >both work on it together. (Well he works on it, I say "wow, that looks >great!"). > It is a nicely done site, and deals well with me pumping up the font size due to the 1600x1200 screen on this laptop. -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock "We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in tolerance and free speech," - David Brin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 2 20:31:11 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:31:11 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402202619.GG14805@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402202619.GG14805@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <200404021231.16183.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 02 April 2004 12:26, Jim Richardson wrote: > On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 12:00:30PM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: > Content-Description: signed data > > >On Friday 02 April 2004 12:00, Jim Richardson wrote: > >> What's "web developement?" exactly? > > > >Making web pages, making images, uploading docs, etc... > > I can assist with that. Who do I talk to? Eric? Yes please. He has control over the website currently. Some things are ran through me first, but I like what he's done with it. Since the site is in CVS, changes can be rolled back easily. > That could be a problem, I mean, we have ~1TB/Mo available, but we > are using in excess of half that now. 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Who do I talk to? Eric? > >Yes please. He has control over the website currently. Some things are >ran through me first, but I like what he's done with it. Since the >site is in CVS, changes can be rolled back easily. > Ok, Eric? what do you need? >> That could be a problem, I mean, we have ~1TB/Mo available, but we >> are using in excess of half that now. I don't think I could convince >> the powers that be to pay for extra b/w for this :) sad to say. >> >> Anyone use mod_throttle ? Would that work for this? > >I'm using mod_throttle on download.fedoralegacy.org right now, as I'm >transitioning to a more perm location/hardware set. It works ok, but >I'm not to sure it plays well w/ apt/yum. I wouldn't worry about >trying to mirror if you don't have bandwidth to spare, I'd hate to have >it cause problems. 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Who do I talk to? Eric? Sure (me or the list). The web pages are in CVS, so if you know cvs you can check them out and start working on them as you see fit. Then submit unified diffs of changes you make (or whole pages for new pages) back to me. To develop locally you should optimally have a cvs client, a web server, and php available in your web server. There are also wiki pages available that need help at http://www.fedoralegacy.org/wiki/ which can be edited (or new ones created) in the wiki. Once the list approves them, I can move them from the wiki to the main web site. > It is a nicely done site, and deals well with me pumping up the font > size due to the 1600x1200 screen on this laptop. Thanks! > -- > Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock > "We have to go forth and crush every world view that doesn't believe in > tolerance and free speech," - David Brin -- Eric Rostetter From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 21:09:08 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:09:08 -0600 Subject: new wiki entry, please view/review/update Message-ID: <20040402150908.qasss4g8sco4k8og@mail.ph.utexas.edu> There has been some dicussion, but no action, on the need to update the FL Overview page. So I've imported it into the FL wiki at http://www.fedoralegacy.org/wiki/index.php/UpdatedOverview So people can help update it. Once it is updated, and the list comes to a consensus on the updates, we can update the actual overview page. *PLEASE* folks take a moment to review, update, or comment on this page. This is a crucial document to the project, and we really need to get it updated to reflect current reality. I've made a start, but I'd like to get some involvement from others also. -- Eric Rostetter The Department of Physics The University of Texas at Austin Why get even? Get odd! From cra at WPI.EDU Fri Apr 2 22:42:02 2004 From: cra at WPI.EDU (Charles R. Anderson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:42:02 -0500 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <20040402224202.GR30494@angus.ind.WPI.EDU> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:03:10AM -0500, seth vidal wrote: > > If we can start hashing out the RH 8.0 stuff before the flood of RH 9 stuff > > comes in, we'll be in better shape. > > I disagree - I'd be curious about taking some web server statistics to > find out if 8.0 is being used at all. How many people are left still > supporting 8.0? How much work are they willing to put into it? I know I > don't have any 8.0 boxes anywhere and therefore have very low interest > in spending time on it. We skipped right over 8.0 and went straight to 9. Thats about 25 machines I directly manage. From warlock at eskimo.com Fri Apr 2 22:51:35 2004 From: warlock at eskimo.com (Jim Richardson) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:51:35 -0800 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402150550.3mswg0k0cw0s80w8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402202619.GG14805@grendel.myth> <20040402150550.3mswg0k0cw0s80w8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <20040402225135.GA22449@grendel.myth> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:05:50PM -0600, Eric Rostetter wrote: >Quoting Jim Richardson : > >>>Making web pages, making images, uploading docs, etc... >>> >>I can assist with that. Who do I talk to? Eric? > >Sure (me or the list). The web pages are in CVS, so if you know cvs >you can check them out and start working on them as you see fit. Then >submit unified diffs of changes you make (or whole pages for new pages) >back to me. > >To develop locally you should optimally have a cvs client, a web server, and >php available in your web server. > >There are also wiki pages available that need help at >http://www.fedoralegacy.org/wiki/ which can be edited (or new ones >created) in the wiki. Once the list approves them, I can move them >from the wiki to the main web site. > >>It is a nicely done site, and deals well with me pumping up the font >>size due to the 1600x1200 screen on this laptop. > >Thanks! Ok, I'll look into that. I have all the needed stuff here on the laptop, although I am a newbie with CVS. :) But I can figure it out. -- Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock If your voting could really change things, Congress would make it illegal. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 23:16:33 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:16:33 -0600 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040402225135.GA22449@grendel.myth> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404021139.54166.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402200024.GE14805@grendel.myth> <200404021200.30736.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <20040402202619.GG14805@grendel.myth> <20040402150550.3mswg0k0cw0s80w8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <20040402225135.GA22449@grendel.myth> Message-ID: <20040402171633.dtmowkwokks4gkws@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Jim Richardson : > Ok, I'll look into that. I have all the needed stuff here on the laptop, > although I am a newbie with CVS. :) But I can figure it out. See http://www.fedoralegacy.org/about/webcvs.php To start, all you need to know is how to do the "cvs checkout", "cvs update", and "cvs diff -u" commands. But the rest makes for interesting reading ;) Let me know (privately or on list) if you need any help. -- Eric Rostetter From rjohnson at medata.com Sat Apr 3 00:21:23 2004 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:21:23 -0800 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <406E0383.8050206@medata.com> seth vidal wrote: > >>If we can start hashing out the RH 8.0 stuff before the flood of RH 9 stuff >>comes in, we'll be in better shape. > > > I disagree - I'd be curious about taking some web server statistics to > find out if 8.0 is being used at all. How many people are left still > supporting 8.0? How much work are they willing to put into it? I know I > don't have any 8.0 boxes anywhere and therefore have very low interest > in spending time on it. I've got 2 RH 8.0 boxes that I wouldn't cry if I had to update to RH9 if needed in order to receive errata from the legacy project. In the past I had some apps that wouldn't port any higher than RH8, but they've since been upgraded. Others may not be so lucky. IMHO, RH 9 was just a much better release stability and performance wise. I know I'm probably one of many, but others may share a similar opinion. -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 5 03:52:43 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:52:43 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org Message-ID: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The host that provided download.fedoralegacy.org can no longer afford the high bandwidth uses, and I have therefor disabled rsync for now. I'm very close to having a new location for our server, a location that has more than enough bandwidth to spare for our needs. When things are settled, I'll re-enable rsync and disable http throttling. Sorry for the inconvenience, I suggest people use the mirrors for now. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAcNgL4v2HLvE71NURArkVAKCs7YbrLe1FuCKTwKJRNCHEDyxyPgCcDOun 5PheQLuGDJtzqD1U49o9p9I= =bb4A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pekkas at netcore.fi Mon Apr 5 06:17:07 2004 From: pekkas at netcore.fi (Pekka Savola) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:17:07 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Jesse Keating wrote: > The host that provided download.fedoralegacy.org can no longer afford the > high bandwidth uses, and I have therefor disabled rsync for now. I'm very > close to having a new location for our server, a location that has more > than enough bandwidth to spare for our needs. When things are settled, > I'll re-enable rsync and disable http throttling. Shouldn't mirrors still be allowed to rsync, or was that implicit? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 5 15:38:37 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:38:37 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404050838.42812.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Sunday 04 April 2004 23:17, Pekka Savola wrote: > Shouldn't mirrors still be allowed to rsync, or was that implicit? implicit. I should be moved over really soon, and thus ending the need to have special rules for mirrors. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? 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I certainly appreciate both. -Chris From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 5 16:39:24 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 09:39:24 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081181112.22508.52.camel@chriss2.cait.org> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081181112.22508.52.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 09:05, Chris Spencer wrote: > Wasn't that actually you, Jesse? Sortof. It was a system that runs my side company, j2solutions.net, which is collocated with a old friend of mine back east. It's the old friend that can no longer afford the 1+TB a month worth of traffic that download.fedoralegacy.org was generating. Having it there was only a temporary solution, but the temp spot expired before the finally spot has come available. 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I use red-carpet daemon to > manage several machines and this would be great to have this channel! > If good people at FL need somebody to head this up, I would be happy > to lend whatever help is needed in getting this off the ground. > To my knowledge you're the first person to request it. I thought rug could use apt repositories. -sv From cspencer at cait.org Mon Apr 5 17:28:04 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:28:04 -0500 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081181112.22508.52.camel@chriss2.cait.org> <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> > > I hope everyone here recognizes your personal sacrifices as well as > > the contributions that PogoLinux (Workstations and Servers) have made > > to this project. I mention this from the point of view that the project needs to get some funding. Corporate sponsorship seems like a potential avenue to bring in some of that funding. We also really need a management team to guide the process. Some of these roles are being filled, some are not. We have a common goal and Jesse has stepped up to lead the project but we need official leaders for all aspects of this project. I personally don't have a problem with offering up a subscription "donation" to help cover the cost of bandwidth or to even cover some of the time that people put in to QA. It should be a non-profit organization that should be able to do these things. Paypal will gladly collect up donations. The way I see it, for this project to really work and succeed it seems pretty clear that it's going to take some form of enticement for certain key people to stay involved or others to get more involved. -Chris From joey at clean.q7.com Mon Apr 5 17:34:44 2004 From: joey at clean.q7.com (Joe Pruett) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: i would certainly be willing to donate to the cause as well. i plan to use fl to replace rhn for a number of my clients and would gladly pay the same $60/year/machine since my clients are already paying that. From cspencer at cait.org Mon Apr 5 17:43:48 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:43:48 -0500 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1081187028.22502.82.camel@chriss2.cait.org> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:34, Joe Pruett wrote: > i would certainly be willing to donate to the cause as well. i plan to > use fl to replace rhn for a number of my clients and would gladly pay the > same $60/year/machine since my clients are already paying that. In my case I am paying $100/yr/machine to use RHPW as a server which really means I am compiling a few packages on my own because as of yet I don't trust this project to produce reliable results and RHPW isn't a server package set. I think many places and individuals would happily "donate" to the cause. Even more so if it's a non-profit so we can write off the donations. -Chris From thammer at rtccom.com Mon Apr 5 17:45:56 2004 From: thammer at rtccom.com (Todd Hammer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 12:45:56 -0500 Subject: fedoralegacy.org Open/Red Carpet channel In-Reply-To: <1081184765.13082.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> References: <1081184564.24607.5.camel@tham.rtccom.com> <1081184765.13082.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> Message-ID: <1081187156.24607.38.camel@tham.rtccom.com> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:06, seth vidal wrote: > On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:02, Todd Hammer wrote: > > I am new to this list so I hope I am not covering old ground here but > > an exhaustive search of the web/list archives/newsgroups on this > > subject turned up nothing. > > > > Surely, since FL is a community project (like Opencarpet.org) there > > are plans to create a channel for this? I use red-carpet daemon to > > manage several machines and this would be great to have this channel! > > If good people at FL need somebody to head this up, I would be happy > > to lend whatever help is needed in getting this off the ground. > > > > To my knowledge you're the first person to request it. I thought rug > could use apt repositories. > > -sv No, rug is very much like apt and yum in that it does dependency resolution and such, but it is a different beast. opencarpet.org's aim is to make popular apt and yum repositories available (through their opencarpet server, I believe) by xml'izing the repository. I sent an email just now to joe at ximian.com to find out more about the process. 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URL: From jonny.strom at netikka.fi Mon Apr 5 17:58:20 2004 From: jonny.strom at netikka.fi (Johnny Strom) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 20:58:20 +0300 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081181112.22508.52.camel@chriss2.cait.org> <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <40719E3C.4060408@netikka.fi> Chris Spencer wrote: >>>I hope everyone here recognizes your personal sacrifices as well as >>>the contributions that PogoLinux (Workstations and Servers) have made >>>to this project. > > > I mention this from the point of view that the project needs to get some > funding. Corporate sponsorship seems like a potential avenue to bring > in some of that funding. > > We also really need a management team to guide the process. Some of > these roles are being filled, some are not. > > We have a common goal and Jesse has stepped up to lead the project but > we need official leaders for all aspects of this project. > > I personally don't have a problem with offering up a subscription > "donation" to help cover the cost of bandwidth or to even cover some of > the time that people put in to QA. > > It should be a non-profit organization that should be able to do these > things. > > Paypal will gladly collect up donations. > > The way I see it, for this project to really work and succeed it seems > pretty clear that it's going to take some form of enticement for certain > key people to stay involved or others to get more involved. > > -Chris > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list Hi all Good idea as before so can I do some backporting work so count me in that group of ppl. Johnny From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 5 18:36:19 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:36:19 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <200404051136.23186.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 10:28, Chris Spencer wrote: > I mention this from the point of view that the project needs to get > some funding. Corporate sponsorship seems like a potential avenue to > bring in some of that funding. > > We also really need a management team to guide the process. Some of > these roles are being filled, some are not. > > We have a common goal and Jesse has stepped up to lead the project > but we need official leaders for all aspects of this project. > > I personally don't have a problem with offering up a subscription > "donation" to help cover the cost of bandwidth or to even cover some > of the time that people put in to QA. > > It should be a non-profit organization that should be able to do > these things. > > Paypal will gladly collect up donations. > > The way I see it, for this project to really work and succeed it > seems pretty clear that it's going to take some form of enticement > for certain key people to stay involved or others to get more > involved. I appreciate your concern and offer, however I had always wanted Fedora Legacy to be a free (as in speech/beer) and open project. I do not want to set up a subscription service, there are other companies that are doing that. I wanted to provide a service free of charge, but community supported. That said, I will not turn down donations, as long as I have something project related to put them towards. Our bandwidth costs may be a moot point soon, and thus far I have had hardware donations for a dedicated download server (single opteron, 512megs of ram, 2x250gig SATA disks in software mirror), and a build system (dual opteron, 1gig of ram, 4x 36gig disks in software raid 10). Hosting/bandwidth for the build server is taken care of, as well as system monitoring, and I'm working on hosting/bandwidth for the download server. I've also had a p4 workstation donated to the project that I'm using currently as a local build system at my house. With these donations, our project is just about set for hardware/bandwidth costs. I don't currently have anything project related that I could spend the donations on. I do appreciate the offer though, and next time the project has a need for something, I'll ask the list again. But I do not want any user/member of Fedora Legacy to feel obligated to donate any mount of money/hardware. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From cspencer at cait.org Mon Apr 5 19:15:52 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:15:52 -0500 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <200404051136.23186.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> <200404051136.23186.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1081192552.22494.116.camel@chriss2.cait.org> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:36, Jesse Keating wrote: > I appreciate your concern and offer, however I had always wanted Fedora > Legacy to be a free (as in speech/beer) and open project. I do not > want to set up a subscription service, there are other companies that > are doing that. I wanted to provide a service free of charge, but > community supported. I was not suggesting required payment. Suggested donation and by suggested I don't mean anything more than a note saying it would be nice if you could afford it. > I do appreciate the offer though, and next time the project has a need > for something, I'll ask the list again. But I do not want any > user/member of Fedora Legacy to feel obligated to donate any mount of > money/hardware. Some people would rather contribute financially. Such donations could be used as an emergency fund in case hardware fails and needs replacement, to put out bounties on things that desperately need to get done, to bring together the group of people needed to manage the project, etc. Things that would make the project better for all. Heck, just collect it into a bank account or give it to one of the other Fedora projects. Using money is never a problem. -Chris "As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware of change in the air, however slight, lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness." - Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas From cspencer at cait.org Mon Apr 5 19:18:55 2004 From: cspencer at cait.org (Chris Spencer) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 14:18:55 -0500 Subject: fedoralegacy.org Open/Red Carpet channel In-Reply-To: <1081187156.24607.38.camel@tham.rtccom.com> References: <1081184564.24607.5.camel@tham.rtccom.com> <1081184765.13082.11.camel@opus.phy.duke.edu> <1081187156.24607.38.camel@tham.rtccom.com> Message-ID: <1081192735.22499.119.camel@chriss2.cait.org> > opencarpet.org's aim is to make popular apt and yum repositories > available (through their opencarpet server, I believe) by xml'izing > the repository. I sent an email just now to joe at ximian.com to find out > more about the process. Perhaps there is nothing that needs to be done > on the FL side to automate making FL a channel. I think it's a bit optomistic to think Ximian -> Novel would be terribly interested in providing any sort of action that might enable people to stay with Legacy Red Hat products. Good luck. -Chris "Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech." - Benjamin Franklin From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 5 19:14:59 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 12:14:59 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081192552.22494.116.camel@chriss2.cait.org> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404051136.23186.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081192552.22494.116.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <200404051215.03190.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 12:15, Chris Spencer wrote: > Some people would rather contribute financially. Such donations > could be used as an emergency fund in case hardware fails and needs > replacement, to put out bounties on things that desperately need to > get done, to bring together the group of people needed to manage the > project, etc. > > Things that would make the project better for all. > > Heck, just collect it into a bank account or give it to one of the > other Fedora projects. > > Using money is never a problem. You have a point there. Would you be interested in looking into what it would take to turn Fedora Legacy into a non-profit org? Although, I'm not even sure RH will allow for this, since they do still "own" the Fedora Legacy namespace, the're just letting us run with it. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From linux at bytebot.net Tue Apr 6 00:32:55 2004 From: linux at bytebot.net (Colin Charles) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:32:55 +1000 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 16:29, Jesse Keating wrote: > > Will Fedora Legacy soon (~May) stop supporting RH 7.x by the time we hit > > mid-May, and only do support for RH8,9 and FC1? > > No. FL will continue to support 7.x, 8, and soon 9 until there is no more > community interest in these releases. Only the Fedora Core releases will > be put on a deprecation schedule. At any given time, Fedora legacy will > be supporting 2 Fedora Core releases. OK, this is great to know :) > > Would love a statement from someone in the know for the next issue of > > FNU #10 - since this will be a big deal for people still on 7.x systems, > > which Progeny (?) still supports > > See above statement. I'd be more than happy to answer any other > statements, or partake in an interview. Getting the info about our > project out there is very important, as we need more volunteers. Would you like to provide a tiny write-up for the Fedora News Updates next? Maybe you can use it as a focal point for a call for volunteers? > > Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere > > It hasn't exactly been clear. Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported by RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 is out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. And so on... This might need to become clearer (or am I the only one getting such an impression?) -- Colin Charles, byte at aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ From jkeating at j2solutions.net Tue Apr 6 00:30:15 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:30:15 -0700 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 05 April 2004 17:32, Colin Charles wrote: > Would you like to provide a tiny write-up for the Fedora News Updates > next? Maybe you can use it as a focal point for a call for > volunteers? If I had an ounce of free time I might, but things are a bit busy this next week or so. Especially w/ the move of download.fedoralegacy.org. I'd do a Q/A session, or approve a writeup by one of the other community members, but I haven't the capacity right now to do a writeup myself ): > > > Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere > > > > It hasn't exactly been clear. > > Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported > by RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 > is out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. > And so on... > > This might need to become clearer (or am I the only one getting such > an impression?) It can be somewhat confusing, Rolling supported releases are in effect for Fedora Core releases, not RHL releases. How would you suggest we word it on our website? -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Tue Apr 6 14:42:45 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:42:45 -0500 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> Message-ID: <20040406094245.6o0o4kc4cs0840w8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Colin Charles : >> > Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere >> >> It hasn't exactly been clear. It is slightly unclear... > Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported by > RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 is > out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. And so > on... > > This might need to become clearer (or am I the only one getting such an > impression?) Read the first FAQ entry. It is slightly unclear, but should give you the proper answer with a bit of thought. It should be rewritten though to be more clear, when we get the time and figure out a clearer way of saying things. -- Eric Rostetter From shugal at gmx.de Tue Apr 6 19:11:38 2004 From: shugal at gmx.de (Martin Stricker) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 21:11:38 +0200 Subject: turning Fedora Legacy into non-profit org [was: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org] References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404051136.23186.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081192552.22494.116.camel@chriss2.cait.org> <200404051215.03190.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <407300EA.92942EF4@gmx.de> Jesse Keating wrote: > Would you be interested in looking into what it would take to turn > Fedora Legacy into a non-profit org? Although, I'm not even sure RH > will allow for this, since they do still "own" the Fedora Legacy > namespace, the're just letting us run with it. Well, tell them tah with turning Fedora Legacy into a non-profit organization, they'll still own the name, *and* they can deduct it from taxes as a "donation" to a non-profit organization. So they could only win... ;-))) Best regards, Martin Stricker -- Homepage: http://www.martin-stricker.de/ Linux Migration Project: http://www.linux-migration.org/ Red Hat Linux 9 for low memory: http://www.rule-project.org/ Registered Linux user #210635: http://counter.li.org/ From mikes at kuentos.guam.net Wed Apr 7 10:51:28 2004 From: mikes at kuentos.guam.net (Michael D. Setzer II) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 20:51:28 +1000 Subject: Problem doing a new Update of Fedora Core 1 Message-ID: <407469D0.24086.4154E82@localhost> I've got a classroom of 20 machines setup in a dualboot mode with windows 98 and Fedora Core 1, and fully updated. I had another machine exactly the same, that had Red Hat 9, I did an upgrade install, and that worked fine, then went to do all the Fedora updates, and it failed to fully update. I thought it had something to do with the updating, so I just wiped out the drive and did a clean install of Fedora. Again, this all went fine, but again while doing all the updates it downloads the 200 updates, and then freezes during the installation, and then APT gives these messages about having duplicate installs of a number of packages. The 20 classroom machines are exactly the same, and they had no problem with the Fedora install, and then the complete fedora update. It wasn't 200 files back when I did those, so I'm thinking it is something in the updating from the original to the current updates. Note: I was also testing the 1.90 core, and it installed fine, but then after installing updates I had similar problems with the X-server not being able to start, and the later kernel would not see the mouse, but the old one had no problem. Any ideals on what to or what not to update at first. Tommorrow, I think I'll try to ghost one of the drives over to this machine, but this one is suppose to be a Linux only, so might just ghost, and then delete the Windows partition, and then mount the free space. Thanks. +----------------------------------------------------------+ Michael D. Setzer II - Computer Science Instructor Guam Community College Computer Center mailto:mikes at kuentos.guam.net http://www.guam.net/home/mikes Guam - Where America's Day Begins +----------------------------------------------------------+ http://setiathome.berkeley.edu Number of Seti Units Returned: 13,002 Processing time: 27 years, 264 days, 3 hours, 1 minutes (Total Hours: 242,859) From admin at cs.montana.edu Wed Apr 7 21:24:29 2004 From: admin at cs.montana.edu (Lucas Albers) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 15:24:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione><200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net><1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> Does this mean we are going to lose support for rh7.3x? Based on what I read below. >> Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported >> by RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 >> is out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. >> And so on... -- Luke Computer Science System Administrator Security Administrator,College of Engineering Montana State University-Bozeman,Montana From kelson at speed.net Wed Apr 7 21:39:26 2004 From: kelson at speed.net (Kelson Vibber) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 14:39:26 -0700 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.ed u> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040407143419.0268eef0@mail.speed.net> At 02:24 PM 4/7/2004, Lucas Albers wrote: >Does this mean we are going to lose support for rh7.3x? >Based on what I read below. > > >> Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported > >> by RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 > >> is out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. > >> And so on... No. That was the poster's question, not a statement of policy. Someone has updated the FAQ recently, clarifying the issue: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/about/faq.php states that "For supported Red Hat Linux releases, we will continue to issue back-port security or critical fixes for as long as there is community interest, but for at least another 1.5 years from their official Red Hat End of Life." The 1-2-3-out policy is for Fedora Core releases, not Red Hat releases. Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Wed Apr 7 22:14:50 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:14:50 -0500 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione><200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net><1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> Message-ID: <20040407171450.eqs4oocgc40o0kcc@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Lucas Albers : > Does this mean we are going to lose support for rh7.3x? > Based on what I read below. No. >>> Yes, I was under the impression that: While Core 1 is being supported >>> by RH, the Legacy project keeps 7.x, 8, and 9 in support. When Core 2 >>> is out, we moved to 8,9,Core 1. Core 3 brings us 9, Core 1, Core 2. >>> And so on... Wrong impression. -- Eric Rostetter From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Wed Apr 7 22:18:09 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 17:18:09 -0500 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040407143419.0268eef0@mail.speed.net> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <6.0.1.1.0.20040407143419.0268eef0@mail.speed.net> Message-ID: <20040407171809.tpcg4go8wwgo0ow4@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Kelson Vibber : > Someone has updated the FAQ recently, clarifying the issue: No, the page has not been updated since Februrary, and that entry has not been updated since before that. (See the last modified date on the bottom of the FAQ page if you don't believe me). > http://www.fedoralegacy.org/about/faq.php states that "For supported Red > Hat Linux releases, we will continue to issue back-port security or > critical fixes for as long as there is community interest, but for at least > another 1.5 years from their official Red Hat End of Life." > > The 1-2-3-out policy is for Fedora Core releases, not Red Hat releases. That is what it has said for a long time now. It should probably be clarified more. > > Kelson Vibber > SpeedGate Communications -- Eric Rostetter From kelson at speed.net Wed Apr 7 22:59:10 2004 From: kelson at speed.net (Kelson Vibber) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 15:59:10 -0700 Subject: Legacy going to move...? In-Reply-To: <20040407171809.tpcg4go8wwgo0ow4@mail.ph.utexas.edu> References: <1080886683.23209.59.camel@hermione> <200404020029.14753.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081211574.1318.89.camel@hermione> <200404051730.19670.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <4848.153.90.196.197.1081373069.squirrel@web1.cs.montana.edu> <6.0.1.1.0.20040407143419.0268eef0@mail.speed.net> <20040407171809.tpcg4go8wwgo0ow4@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040407154510.025fa3d0@mail.speed.net> At 03:18 PM 4/7/2004, Eric Rostetter wrote: No, the page has not been updated since Februrary, and that entry has >not been updated since before that. (See the last modified date on >the bottom of the FAQ page if you don't believe me). My mistake. It seemed clear to me, so I assumed the changes had been made. >That is what it has said for a long time now. It should probably be >clarified more. How about this: separate the second FAQ entry into two questions: Q: What versions of Red Hat Linux will be supported, and for how long? A: We are currently supporting Red Hat Linux 7.2, 7.3, and 8.0 as these have reached their End-of-Life (EOL). When Red Hat Linux 9 becomes EOL on April, 31 2004, we will start legacy support for it as well. We will support these releases as long as there is community interest, but for at least another 1.5 years from their official Red Hat End of Life. Red Hat Linux 7.2, 7.3, and 8.0 will be supported through at least June 31, 2005. Red Hat Linux 9 will be supported through at least October 31, 2005. Q: What versions of Fedora Core will be supported, and for how long? A: As Fedora Core releases reach their End-of-Life (EOL), we will provide support for them on a 1-2-3 and out policy, providing for roughly 1.5 years of update support for each release. This way there will be no association of the 1-2-3-out policy with the Red Hat releases. Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Thu Apr 8 12:28:09 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 08:28:09 -0400 Subject: RHL 9 and VMWare? Message-ID: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> I installed Red Hat Linux 9 from DVD onto a VMWare 3.2.1 machine in order to be able to build Red Hat Linux 9 packages when Red Hat drops support at the end of the month. I keep getting disk errors when depmod runs. Windows (host OS) doesn't show any disk errors so I assume it's a bad interaction between the Linux kernel and VMWare. Has anyone else had this problem? Any fixes? Thanks, John From mikej at primatech.com Thu Apr 8 13:18:53 2004 From: mikej at primatech.com (Mike Jones) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 09:18:53 -0400 Subject: RHL 9 and VMWare? In-Reply-To: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> References: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <1081430333.10735.6.camel@mikej.col.primatech.com> On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 08:28, John Dalbec wrote: > I installed Red Hat Linux 9 from DVD onto a VMWare 3.2.1 machine in order to be > able to build Red Hat Linux 9 packages when Red Hat drops support at the end of > the month. I keep getting disk errors when depmod runs. Windows (host OS) > doesn't show any disk errors so I assume it's a bad interaction between the > Linux kernel and VMWare. Has anyone else had this problem? Any fixes? VMWare 3.2.1 is pretty old, I would guess you are getting incompatibilities between the newer kernel and the older "hardware". The latest VMWare is now 4.5.1. I have recently run Fedora Core 1 on it and it works just fine for me. If you just want to see if the VMWare version is the problem I think they offer 30 day demo keys. That should be enough time to test everything out. The upgrade is $99 through their website. Thanks, mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From thomas at apestaart.org Thu Apr 8 14:04:55 2004 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:04:55 +0200 Subject: RHL 9 and VMWare? In-Reply-To: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> References: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <1081433094.5270.7.camel@otto.amantes> Hi John, On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 14:28, John Dalbec wrote: > I installed Red Hat Linux 9 from DVD onto a VMWare 3.2.1 machine in order to be > able to build Red Hat Linux 9 packages when Red Hat drops support at the end of > the month. I must have missed something - you already use mach, so why would you need VMWare to make RHL9 packages ? Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> And every time she sneezes I think it's love and oh lord I'm not ready for this sort of thing <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ From guallar at easternrad.com Thu Apr 8 15:17:13 2004 From: guallar at easternrad.com (Josep L. Guallar-Esteve) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:17:13 -0400 Subject: turning Fedora Legacy into non-profit org [was: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org] In-Reply-To: <407300EA.92942EF4@gmx.de> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404051215.03190.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <407300EA.92942EF4@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200404081117.16348.guallar@easternrad.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 06 April 2004 03:11 pm, Martin Stricker wrote: > Well, tell them tah with turning Fedora Legacy into a non-profit > organization, they'll still own the name, *and* they can deduct it from > taxes as a "donation" to a non-profit organization. So they could only > win... ;-))) If its a non-proffit, any company could deduct the donations from taxes. Not bad. Regards, Josep - -- Josep L. Guallar-Esteve Eastern Radiologists, Inc. Systems and Network Administration http://www.easternrad.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdWz7SGQa4/zQ9e8RAggGAJ4+AuQM/Gf2nLInW9pdR1BcbeUAJgCfXZYR AcTPW1uL5a/YfVwmRiIatqc= =jbW2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Thu Apr 8 15:35:58 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:35:58 +0200 Subject: When will QA cycle end for apt on RH 8.0? Message-ID: <20040408153558.GE10431@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Hello, I'm new to Fedora Legacy Project, but I have 2 machines running rh8 and rh9. Unfortunately, the RH8 cannot be upgraded to any other version of RH or Fedora without taking her offline (it's a webserver). So I've used up2date (with --nox :-) up to the EOL decreed by RHN. After EOL I've done rpm upgrades by "hand" (searchin' for 'em, ftp'ing them with the RH9, my workstation and guinea pig, then sftp'ing 'em to RH8, ssh'ing into the RH8 and testin'em and so on...) but it is a tedious/boring process. So, I'm waiting for apt to get released (can I do a rpm -e of up2date after apt is up and running, by the way? :-) best regards, b. From paul at weycrest.net Thu Apr 8 15:19:39 2004 From: paul at weycrest.net (Paul Lee) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:19:39 +0100 Subject: RHL 9 and VMWare? In-Reply-To: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> References: <40754559.9080703@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <40756D8B.7050001@weycrest.net> John Dalbec wrote: > I installed Red Hat Linux 9 from DVD onto a VMWare 3.2.1 machine in > order to be able to build Red Hat Linux 9 packages when Red Hat drops > support at the end of the month. I keep getting disk errors when depmod > runs. Windows (host OS) doesn't show any disk errors so I assume it's a > bad interaction between the Linux kernel and VMWare. Has anyone else > had this problem? Any fixes? > Thanks, > John > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > hello VMware 3.2.1 sounds an old version. Current version is 4.5 which supports Fedora, kernel 2.6, (and longhorn beta's etc..).No probs here with RH9 on VMware 4.0.5 Regards Paul weycrest.net From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Thu Apr 8 16:08:44 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 11:08:44 -0500 Subject: When will QA cycle end for apt on RH 8.0? In-Reply-To: <20040408153558.GE10431@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040408153558.GE10431@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <20040408110844.nvs48cwg4s0gc0c8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Barbara Pennacchi : > So, I'm waiting for apt to get released (can I do a rpm -e of up2date after > apt is up and running, by the way? :-) If possible, help test the current apt packages (see the Devel Tracker for details). If not, when they go into updates-testing see if you can help test them. If not, wait until enough people test them to get them pushed out (keep your fingers crossed that will be soon). One note: the current apt packages under consideration will require you to upgrade your RPM version if you haven't already. And yes, once apt is released, you can rpm -e up2date and any associated up2date programs you desire. > best regards, > b. -- Eric Rostetter From wrayman at auxiliumcomputing.com Thu Apr 8 17:14:03 2004 From: wrayman at auxiliumcomputing.com (Wray Cason) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:14:03 -0800 Subject: When will QA cycle end for apt on RH 8.0? In-Reply-To: <20040408153558.GE10431@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040408153558.GE10431@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <20040408160923.M29170@auxiliumcomputing.com> I don't know about apt but there is already a yum system built for RH8. I am using it presently. Instructions can be found at http://www.fedoralegacy.org. The gyrations you are currently going through are definitely unnecessary. And as far as I know, you can scrap up2date, although the newer version is yum compatible. you could continue using up2date if you wish. On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 17:35:58 +0200, Barbara Pennacchi wrote > Hello, I'm new to Fedora Legacy Project, but I have 2 machines > running rh8 and rh9. Unfortunately, the RH8 cannot be upgraded to > any other version of RH or Fedora without taking her offline (it's a > webserver). So I've used up2date (with --nox :-) up to the EOL > decreed by RHN. > > After EOL I've done rpm upgrades by "hand" (searchin' for 'em, > ftp'ing them with the RH9, my workstation and guinea pig, then > sftp'ing 'em to RH8, ssh'ing into the RH8 and testin'em and so on...) > but it is a tedious/boring > > process. > > So, I'm waiting for apt to get released (can I do a rpm -e of > up2date after apt is up and running, by the way? :-) > > best regards, > b. > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list -- Wray Cason "Wrayman" Auxilium Computing www.auxiliumcomputing.com wrayman at auxiliumcomputing.com main: 206-595-2080 fax: 425-895-9825 msn: wrayman at pioneernet.net aim: AuxiliumWrayman yahoo: wraycason From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Thu Apr 8 17:42:41 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:42:41 -0400 Subject: RHL 9 and VMWare? In-Reply-To: <20040408160008.181147413F@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040408160008.181147413F@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <40758F11.8020309@ysu.edu> > Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:04:55 +0200 > From: Thomas Vander Stichele > Subject: Re: RHL 9 and VMWare? > To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project > > Message-ID: <1081433094.5270.7.camel at otto.amantes> > Content-Type: text/plain > > Hi John, > > On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 14:28, John Dalbec wrote: > >>> I installed Red Hat Linux 9 from DVD onto a VMWare 3.2.1 machine in order to be >>> able to build Red Hat Linux 9 packages when Red Hat drops support at the end of >>> the month. > > I must have missed something - you already use mach, so why would you > need VMWare to make RHL9 packages ? Technically I don't, but the RHL8 box I use right now is slower than my workstation and only has enough disk space for one buildroot and it's not really mine. It's part of our test lab and could be repurposed at any time. My workstation runs Windows and I have a dual-boot partition for RHL 7.3 to do development for some servers I run on RHL 7.3 (which is why I'm interested in Fedora-Legacy). Since mach doesn't run on RHL 7.3, I need another "box". I thought I'd try RHL 9 since I had problems with mach on RHL 8. I expect I'll upgrade VMWare and see if that works. Also, it's hard to do QA/verification from a buildroot. John From fkrogh at mathalacarte.com Thu Apr 8 18:36:54 2004 From: fkrogh at mathalacarte.com (Fred Krogh) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:36:54 -0700 Subject: Yum Diagnostic Message-ID: <40759BC6.7000002@mathalacarte.com> I've just recently got setup to do updates to a Redhat 7.3 system. After running yum update I get Resolving dependencies .conflict between mysql and MySQL conflict between mysql-server and MySQL-server This is not too surprising as the following shows. rpm -q mysql-server MySQL-server mysql-client MySQL-client mysql MySQL mysql-server-3.23.49-3 package MySQL-server is not installed package mysql-client is not installed MySQL-client-3.23.43-1 mysql-3.23.49-3 MySQL-3.23.43-1 I have no idea how I managed to get both mysql and MySQL installed. I'm guessing that what I have called mysql-server is now called MySQL-server. mysql --version ###### gives mysql Ver 11.16 Distrib 3.23.49, for redhat-linux-gnu (i386) The database server is running all the time. I'm thinking I can rpm --erase MySQL but since it has programs common with mysql I'm concerned that I may lose what I'm currently using for mysql, and I don't seem to have that rpm. The questions are: 1. Can I rpm --erase MySQL without wiping out mysql? 2. How can I get things set up so that yum thinks that names containing MySQL update packages with names containing mysql or alternatively, get the names on my system containing mysql have that part of the name replace with MySQL? 3. Am I hopelessly confused?? Many Thanks, Fred From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Thu Apr 8 18:42:49 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 20:42:49 +0200 Subject: Yum Diagnostic In-Reply-To: <40759BC6.7000002@mathalacarte.com> References: <40759BC6.7000002@mathalacarte.com> Message-ID: <20040408204249.45469fe6.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:36:54 -0700, Fred Krogh wrote: > I've just recently got setup to do updates to a Redhat 7.3 system. > After running > > yum update > > I get > > Resolving dependencies > .conflict between mysql and MySQL > conflict between mysql-server and MySQL-server > > This is not too surprising as the following shows. > > rpm -q mysql-server MySQL-server mysql-client MySQL-client mysql MySQL > mysql-server-3.23.49-3 > package MySQL-server is not installed > package mysql-client is not installed > MySQL-client-3.23.43-1 > mysql-3.23.49-3 > MySQL-3.23.43-1 > > I have no idea how I managed to get both mysql and MySQL installed. > I'm guessing that what I have called mysql-server is now called > MySQL-server. No. The packages with upper-case names are not from Red Hat Linux, but from some other site. > mysql --version ###### gives > mysql Ver 11.16 Distrib 3.23.49, for redhat-linux-gnu (i386) > > The database server is running all the time. > > I'm thinking I can rpm --erase MySQL but since it has programs common > with mysql I'm concerned that I may lose what I'm currently using for > mysql, and I don't seem to have that rpm. > > The questions are: > > 1. Can I rpm --erase MySQL without wiping out mysql? Yes. rpm --erase --justdb --noscripts --notriggers MySQL-server MySQL-client But double-check which one of the two installed packages is the currently active one! From rjohnson at medata.com Thu Apr 8 20:11:24 2004 From: rjohnson at medata.com (Rick Johnson) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:11:24 -0700 Subject: Yum Diagnostic In-Reply-To: <40759BC6.7000002@mathalacarte.com> References: <40759BC6.7000002@mathalacarte.com> Message-ID: <4075B1EC.6070505@medata.com> Fred Krogh wrote: > I have no idea how I managed to get both mysql and MySQL installed. > I'm guessing that what I have called mysql-server is now called > MySQL-server. The RPM packages from mysql.com use the upper-case convention. -Rick -- Rick Johnson, RHCE #807302311706007 - rjohnson at medata.com Linux/Network Administrator - Medata, Inc. PGP Public Key: https://mail.medata.com/pgp/rjohnson.asc From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Fri Apr 9 12:36:32 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2004 08:36:32 -0400 Subject: Update-excuses report? Message-ID: <407698D0.4040700@ysu.edu> It would be nice if there were something like Debian's update-excuses report that explained what was preventing various packages from being moved to updates-testing (resp. updates). For example, I did a verification on the "mutt" package, but it hasn't moved to "updates" yet. Is my verification somehow unsatisfactory? Is Jesse waiting for a corroborating verification? Also, is anyone updating the bug priorities? I don't know how those should be set so I've been filing bugs with "normal" priority. I see one "blocker", two "critical", and several "major" bugs. Are those meaningful or were they just filed that way? Thanks, John From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 9 14:45:07 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:45:07 -0700 Subject: Update-excuses report? In-Reply-To: <407698D0.4040700@ysu.edu> References: <407698D0.4040700@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <200404090745.07891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 09 April 2004 05:36, John Dalbec wrote: > It would be nice if there were something like Debian's update-excuses > report that explained what was preventing various packages from being > moved to updates-testing (resp. updates). For example, I did a > verification on the "mutt" package, but it hasn't moved to "updates" > yet. Is my verification somehow unsatisfactory? Is Jesse waiting for a > corroborating verification? > > Also, is anyone updating the bug priorities? I don't know how those > should be set so I've been filing bugs with "normal" priority. I see > one "blocker", two "critical", and several "major" bugs. Are those > meaningful or were they just filed that way? The biggest excuse has been my lack of time. I had to get a couple chapters written for an upcoming book, then I had in-laws drop in unexpectantly. Thankfully though, after this weekend's visit to another set of inlaws I should have more free time before I need to start doing some tech editing for yet another book. There is also the issue of moving download.fedoralegacy.org. I don't want to make any changes to the current one as rsync is off and httpd is severely throttled. Once the new system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) that need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy work. There is a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so those are top priority. I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't expecting it. We also need to ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be building the RHL9 tree on download when the new one comes up. - -- Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAdrbz4v2HLvE71NURAssIAKDFG/LWV3CYdq75HYgKvtEcUJNv8gCaAuNs /BGSoE82nb1px3HzkODZK70= =96bB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpdalbec at ysu.edu Mon Apr 12 16:53:50 2004 From: jpdalbec at ysu.edu (John Dalbec) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:53:50 -0400 Subject: Update-excuses report? In-Reply-To: <20040409160007.2B0E6732A8@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040409160007.2B0E6732A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <407AC99E.7040803@ysu.edu> Jesse Keating wrote: > The biggest excuse has been my lack of time. I had to get a couple > chapters written for an upcoming book, then I had in-laws drop in > unexpectantly. Thankfully though, after this weekend's visit to another > set of inlaws I should have more free time before I need to start doing > some tech editing for yet another book. There is also the issue of moving > download.fedoralegacy.org. I don't want to make any changes to the > current one as rsync is off and httpd is severely throttled. You could promote the usage of mirror sites (assuming they still have rsync access) by updating the apt mirror selection files. Once the new > system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) that > need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy work. There is > a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so those are top priority. > I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't expecting it. We also need to > ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be building the RHL9 tree on download when > the new one comes up. This begs the question: what is preventing the new system from coming online? Is it that you haven't had time to set it up? John From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Mon Apr 12 17:03:59 2004 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:03:59 -0700 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <1080892990.19098.34.camel@binkley> Message-ID: <407ACBFF.3010604@TemporalArts.com> seth vidal wrote: >>Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning >>apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. >>It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I >>heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, >>which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream >>changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? >> >> > >8.0 support sucks b/c from what I can tell there are about 5 people on >the planet using 8.0. It was not a widely installed release b/c a lot of >people were waiting for an 8.1 at that point and then when 9 came out >they jumped to that, instead. > > > I have several clients with RH8 systems in production. RH9 has been suggested but they are not interested in upgrading from EOL RH8 to soon-to-be EOL RH9. Would it be simplify ongoing RH8 support by requiring an upgrade to the newer RPM (thus eliminating the RPM vs yum/apt version problem)? We upgraded to rpm-4.1.1, yum 2.03, et.al. quite a while ago to get around the rpm lockup problems. R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 12 17:06:26 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:06:26 -0700 Subject: Update-excuses report? In-Reply-To: <407AC99E.7040803@ysu.edu> References: <20040409160007.2B0E6732A8@hormel.redhat.com> <407AC99E.7040803@ysu.edu> Message-ID: <200404121006.31883.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 09:53, John Dalbec wrote: > You could promote the usage of mirror sites (assuming they still have > rsync access) by updating the apt mirror selection files. I have been waiting on that, as some of the new mirrors haven't synced yet. No, they don't have rsync currently. > Once the new > > > system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) > > that need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy > > work. There is a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so > > those are top priority. I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't > > expecting it. We also need to ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be > > building the RHL9 tree on download when the new one comes up. > > This begs the question: what is preventing the new system from coming > online? Is it that you haven't had time to set it up? Approval from the site in question. I'm just waiting, I have hardware ready to go. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From eric.rostetter at physics.utexas.edu Fri Apr 2 19:06:54 2004 From: eric.rostetter at physics.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:06:54 -0600 Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support In-Reply-To: References: <20040401112729.u2oo0ck44gow0s4o@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <20040402130654.s2cuo80sg0wgk0g8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Wade Maxfield : > If you can look through the emails, I wrote about putting (non-fedora) > yum on redhat 8.0. It works with the fedora site just fine. > > wade Yes, and I replied to that at the time that we really should have a FL apt/yum also. If we're going to support it, then lets support it. If not, then lets drop the support. I think it would be foolish to offer different levels of support for different versions of RHL. -- Eric Rostetter The Department of Physics The University of Texas at Austin Why get even? Get odd! From jkeating at pogolinux.com Mon Apr 5 18:32:41 2004 From: jkeating at pogolinux.com (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:32:41 -0700 Subject: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org In-Reply-To: <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> References: <200404042052.43634.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <200404050939.28902.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081186084.22506.75.camel@chriss2.cait.org> Message-ID: <200404051132.46059.jkeating@pogolinux.com> On Monday 05 April 2004 10:28, Chris Spencer wrote: > I mention this from the point of view that the project needs to get > some funding. Corporate sponsorship seems like a potential avenue to > bring in some of that funding. > > We also really need a management team to guide the process. Some of > these roles are being filled, some are not. > > We have a common goal and Jesse has stepped up to lead the project > but we need official leaders for all aspects of this project. > > I personally don't have a problem with offering up a subscription > "donation" to help cover the cost of bandwidth or to even cover some > of the time that people put in to QA. > > It should be a non-profit organization that should be able to do > these things. > > Paypal will gladly collect up donations. > > The way I see it, for this project to really work and succeed it > seems pretty clear that it's going to take some form of enticement > for certain key people to stay involved or others to get more > involved. I appreciate your concern and offer, however I had always wanted Fedora Legacy to be a free (as in speech/beer) and open project. I do not want to set up a subscription service, there are other companies that are doing that. I wanted to provide a service free of charge, but community supported. That said, I will not turn down donations, as long as I have something project related to put them towards. Our bandwidth costs may be a moot point soon, and thus far I have had hardware donations for a dedicated download server (single opteron, 512megs of ram, 2x250gig SATA disks in software mirror), and a build system (dual opteron, 1gig of ram, 4x 36gig disks in software raid 10). Hosting/bandwidth for the build server is taken care of, as well as system monitoring, and I'm working on hosting/bandwidth for the download server. I've also had a p4 workstation donated to the project that I'm using currently as a local build system at my house. With these donations, our project is just about set for hardware/bandwidth costs. I don't currently have anything project related that I could spend the donations on. I do appreciate the offer though, and next time the project has a need for something, I'll ask the list again. But I do not want any user/member of Fedora Legacy to feel obligated to donate any mount of money/hardware. -- Jesse Keating RHCE Pogo Linux -- Linux Systems Engineer tel: (888) 828-7646 ex: 436 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From dick at webbedmail.com Fri Apr 9 16:36:14 2004 From: dick at webbedmail.com (dick morrell) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 17:36:14 +0100 (BST) Subject: Update-excuses report? In-Reply-To: <200404090745.07891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <407698D0.4040700@ysu.edu> <200404090745.07891.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: Please don't hassle project managers of opensource projects - they give up huge amounts of time free for the common good. When I started Smoothwall I'd get people try this one and they soon stopped. On Fri, 9 Apr 2004, Jesse Keating wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 09 April 2004 05:36, John Dalbec wrote: > > It would be nice if there were something like Debian's update-excuses > > report that explained what was preventing various packages from being > > moved to updates-testing (resp. updates). For example, I did a > > verification on the "mutt" package, but it hasn't moved to "updates" > > yet. Is my verification somehow unsatisfactory? Is Jesse waiting for a > > corroborating verification? > > > > Also, is anyone updating the bug priorities? I don't know how those > > should be set so I've been filing bugs with "normal" priority. I see > > one "blocker", two "critical", and several "major" bugs. Are those > > meaningful or were they just filed that way? > > The biggest excuse has been my lack of time. I had to get a couple > chapters written for an upcoming book, then I had in-laws drop in > unexpectantly. Thankfully though, after this weekend's visit to another > set of inlaws I should have more free time before I need to start doing > some tech editing for yet another book. There is also the issue of moving > download.fedoralegacy.org. I don't want to make any changes to the > current one as rsync is off and httpd is severely throttled. Once the new > system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) that > need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy work. There is > a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so those are top priority. > I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't expecting it. We also need to > ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be building the RHL9 tree on download when > the new one comes up. > > - -- > Jesse Keating RHCE (http://geek.j2solutions.net) > Fedora Legacy Team (http://www.fedoralegacy.org) > GPG Public Key (http://geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) > > Was I helpful? Let others know: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFAdrbz4v2HLvE71NURAssIAKDFG/LWV3CYdq75HYgKvtEcUJNv8gCaAuNs > /BGSoE82nb1px3HzkODZK70= > =96bB > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > > From fedoraleg_form at mm-vanecek.cc Mon Apr 12 20:28:54 2004 From: fedoraleg_form at mm-vanecek.cc (Mike Vanecek) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:28:54 -0500 Subject: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure Message-ID: <20040412202405.M56030@mm-vanecek.cc> After RH 9 EOL on 30 April, what will be the procedure to upgrade a fresh RH 9 install from CDs? Will Fedora-Legacy maintain all existing RH 9 updates and add to them overtime? Will FL only maintain RH 9 updates after EOL? If so, will the RH updates up to EOL still be available at Red Hat? Thanks. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 12 20:36:23 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:36:23 -0700 Subject: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure In-Reply-To: <20040412202405.M56030@mm-vanecek.cc> References: <20040412202405.M56030@mm-vanecek.cc> Message-ID: <200404121336.27832.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 13:28, Mike Vanecek wrote: > After RH 9 EOL on 30 April, what will be the procedure to upgrade a > fresh RH 9 install from CDs? > > Will Fedora-Legacy maintain all existing RH 9 updates and add to them > overtime? Yes, we'll have the whole RHL9 tree as abandoned by RH, with our updates added to it. > Will FL only maintain RH 9 updates after EOL? If so, will the RH > updates up to EOL still be available at Red Hat? See above. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature URL: From howen at cisco.com Mon Apr 12 20:47:21 2004 From: howen at cisco.com (Howard B Owen) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:47:21 -0700 Subject: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure In-Reply-To: <200404121336.27832.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20040412202405.M56030@mm-vanecek.cc> <200404121336.27832.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <1081802841.11873.19.camel@quirk.cisco.com> Red Hat probably won't take existing errata off their site. They still have old errata releases for 7.x, 6.x and even 5.x and 4.x. (At least, those directories still appear under /pub/linux/updates on ftp.redhat.com.) I wonder what they will do when the EL releases reach 4.X ? 8) On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 13:36, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Monday 12 April 2004 13:28, Mike Vanecek wrote: > > After RH 9 EOL on 30 April, what will be the procedure to upgrade a > > fresh RH 9 install from CDs? > > > > Will Fedora-Legacy maintain all existing RH 9 updates and add to them > > overtime? > > Yes, we'll have the whole RHL9 tree as abandoned by RH, with our updates > added to it. > > > Will FL only maintain RH 9 updates after EOL? If so, will the RH > > updates up to EOL still be available at Red Hat? > > See above. -- Howard Owen - Linux Architect "Even if you are on the right IBM Global Services - Cisco Linux track, you'll get run over if you howen at cisco.com +1-408-853-1381 just sit there." - Will Rogers From howen at cisco.com Mon Apr 12 20:50:14 2004 From: howen at cisco.com (Howard B Owen) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:50:14 -0700 Subject: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure In-Reply-To: <1081802841.11873.19.camel@quirk.cisco.com> References: <20040412202405.M56030@mm-vanecek.cc> <200404121336.27832.jkeating@j2solutions.net> <1081802841.11873.19.camel@quirk.cisco.com> Message-ID: <1081803014.11871.21.camel@quirk.cisco.com> They have updates/enterprise, of course. Doh! On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 13:47, Howard B Owen wrote: > Red Hat probably won't take existing errata off their site. They still > have old errata releases for 7.x, 6.x and even 5.x and 4.x. (At least, > those directories still appear under /pub/linux/updates on > ftp.redhat.com.) > > I wonder what they will do when the EL releases reach 4.X ? 8) > > On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 13:36, Jesse Keating wrote: > > On Monday 12 April 2004 13:28, Mike Vanecek wrote: > > > After RH 9 EOL on 30 April, what will be the procedure to upgrade a > > > fresh RH 9 install from CDs? > > > > > > Will Fedora-Legacy maintain all existing RH 9 updates and add to them > > > overtime? > > > > Yes, we'll have the whole RHL9 tree as abandoned by RH, with our updates > > added to it. > > > > > Will FL only maintain RH 9 updates after EOL? If so, will the RH > > > updates up to EOL still be available at Red Hat? > > > > See above. -- Howard Owen - Linux Architect "Even if you are on the right IBM Global Services - Cisco Linux track, you'll get run over if you howen at cisco.com +1-408-853-1381 just sit there." - Will Rogers From jesse at wingnet.net Mon Apr 12 23:24:38 2004 From: jesse at wingnet.net (Jesse Guardiani) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:24:38 -0400 Subject: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question Message-ID: Howdy list, I'm new to redhat and fedora-legacy. I've been working with redhat 7.3 for a few months now because a proprietary package we use here at work requires 7.3 and nothing higher (The devel team must be made up of Windows guys or something). We bought an Enterprise 2.1ES machine for our private network, but a customer wanted a 7.3 machine because of the price factor. That's what got me started with 7.3. Anyway, I come from two years of FreeBSD administration experience and I must admit that I'm actually starting to like the redhat way of doing things. It's nice to at least be able to say "Yes, the OS has a GUI for some admin tasks." But I'm starting to like other things about the redhat scene too. I also like the fact that I can get Redhat certified. I've never seen that sort of thing in the FreeBSD scene. However, with all of the changes redhat has made, I was starting to wonder what I was going to do with these boxes in 6 months when they're chalked full of security holes. And then I found the Fedora Legacy project. Cool! Just what I was looking for. Two Things I noticed: ===================== 1.) I updated my system using `yum update`, and it auto- updated a few userland utils, but for some reason it didn't update my 2.4.20 kernel RPM. Not sure why. Here's the list of RPMs it DID upgrade: # rpm -q -a | grep legacy libpcap-0.6.2-17.7.3.4.legacy arpwatch-2.1a11-17.7.3.4.legacy cvs-1.11.1p1-9.7.legacy yum-1.0.3-6.0.7.x.legacy tcpdump-3.6.3-17.7.3.4.legacy screen-3.9.11-4.legacy slocate-2.7-1.7.3.legacy I'm instead downloading the kernel RPM manually from here: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/updates/RH7.3/2004-03-02-FLSA_2004_1284__Updated_kernel_resolves_security_vulnerabilities.html Does anyone have an explanation for that behavior? 2.) Does Fedora Legacy offer any additional functionality and/or general redhat 7.3 discussion, or should I go elsewhere for that? Is this strictly a security update forum, in other words? I ask because I'm having trouble with iptables + ethernet bridging with my stock Redhat 2.4.20 kernel (seems that bridge traffic doesn't pass through iptables with that kernel), and I was wondering if that bug was maybe fixed in the Fedora Legacy kernel updates? Thanks! -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net From jkeating at j2solutions.net Mon Apr 12 23:36:02 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:36:02 -0700 Subject: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200404121636.06283.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Monday 12 April 2004 16:24, Jesse Guardiani wrote: > 1.) I updated my system using `yum update`, and it auto- > updated a few userland utils, but for some reason it didn't > update my 2.4.20 kernel RPM. Not sure why. > > Here's the list of RPMs it DID upgrade: > > # rpm -q -a | grep legacy > libpcap-0.6.2-17.7.3.4.legacy > arpwatch-2.1a11-17.7.3.4.legacy > cvs-1.11.1p1-9.7.legacy > yum-1.0.3-6.0.7.x.legacy > tcpdump-3.6.3-17.7.3.4.legacy > screen-3.9.11-4.legacy > slocate-2.7-1.7.3.legacy > > I'm instead downloading the kernel RPM manually from here: > > > http://www.fedoralegacy.org/updates/RH7.3/2004-03-02-FLSA_2004_1284__ >Updated_kernel_resolves_security_vulnerabilities.html > > Does anyone have an explanation for that behavior? Yum, by default, ignores packages that match "kernel*". Edit your /etc/yum.conf file to change this. Yum on 7.x mimics up2date on 7.x which did the same (ignore kernel by default). > 2.) Does Fedora Legacy offer any additional functionality and/or > general redhat 7.3 discussion, or should I go elsewhere > for that? Is this strictly a security update forum, in other > words? > > I ask because I'm having trouble with iptables + ethernet > bridging with my stock Redhat 2.4.20 kernel (seems that bridge > traffic doesn't pass through iptables with that kernel), and > I was wondering if that bug was maybe fixed in the Fedora > Legacy kernel updates? This list is mostly for things related to the Fedora Legacy project. Red Hat currently hosts, and will continue to host, a end user mailing list for Red Hat Linux, with specific lists for each release. I can't recall off the top of my head what the code name for 7.3 was, but the list will be named after the codename. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been working with redhat 7.3 for a few months now because a proprietary package we use here at work requires 7.3 and nothing higher (The devel team must be made up of Windows guys or something). We bought an Enterprise 2.1ES machine for our private network, but a customer wanted a 7.3 machine because of the price factor. That's what got me started with 7.3. Anyway, I come from two years of FreeBSD administration experience and I must admit that I'm actually starting to like the redhat way of doing things. It's nice to at least be able to say "Yes, the OS has a GUI for some admin tasks." But I'm starting to like other things about the redhat scene too. I also like the fact that I can get Redhat certified. I've never seen that sort of thing in the FreeBSD scene. However, with all of the changes redhat has made, I was starting to wonder what I was going to do with these boxes in 6 months when they're chalked full of security holes. And then I found the Fedora Legacy project. Cool! Just what I was looking for. Two Things I noticed: ===================== 1.) I updated my system using `yum update`, and it auto- updated a few userland utils, but for some reason it didn't update my 2.4.20 kernel RPM. Not sure why. Here's the list of RPMs it DID upgrade: # rpm -q -a | grep legacy libpcap-0.6.2-17.7.3.4.legacy arpwatch-2.1a11-17.7.3.4.legacy cvs-1.11.1p1-9.7.legacy yum-1.0.3-6.0.7.x.legacy tcpdump-3.6.3-17.7.3.4.legacy screen-3.9.11-4.legacy slocate-2.7-1.7.3.legacy I'm instead downloading the kernel RPM manually from here: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/updates/RH7.3/2004-03-02-FLSA_2004_1284__Upd ated_kernel_resolves_security_vulnerabilities.html Does anyone have an explanation for that behavior? 2.) Does Fedora Legacy offer any additional functionality and/or general redhat 7.3 discussion, or should I go elsewhere for that? Is this strictly a security update forum, in other words? I ask because I'm having trouble with iptables + ethernet bridging with my stock Redhat 2.4.20 kernel (seems that bridge traffic doesn't pass through iptables with that kernel), and I was wondering if that bug was maybe fixed in the Fedora Legacy kernel updates? Thanks! -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004 From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Tue Apr 13 16:37:36 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:37:36 +0200 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 Message-ID: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Sorry I didn't reply to you regarding using yum/apt on rh8, I was busy enjoying Easter :-) (I'll reply to you on this later, though) I have another question which bothers me a bit more than the status of yum/apt on rh8... As I said some emails ago, I've downloaded by hand all the new errata concerning my rh8 server, including the kernel upgrade. it all went ALMOST well. Only the kernel RPM gave me some problems: - it didn't like the fact that I used LILO instead of grub. - it behaves differently from previous RPM kernel upgrades: where I expected to find the older kernel sitting peacefully in /boot/ together with the new release and its tag in lilo.conf moved down to something like "linux.bak", this FLP's RPM somehow managed to wipe off the previous kernel from /boot/ ....and mess up with lilo.conf!!! argh. Had to download the deleted kernel from archive, re-install it, then manually rename all files related to the newer kernel, editing lilo.conf by hand, trying lilo only to see it complain. I then removed the ".legacy" thing from the newer kernel's related filenames, then try again "lilo" (with fingers crossed), then peek again inside /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/ to verify that everything matched. Thankfully, it all ended well. Phew. I don't know if I have just been plain unlucky (Italians would say "ammazza, aho' che sfiga!"...) or if other people have encountered similar problems with this specific kernel release from FLP.... But I think that maybe next kernel releases from FLP should try to behave like previous RH's kernel updates... (or put a warning about that different behaviour :-) (Never been keen on letting up2date do its work automagically: I've always updated my RH boxes personally -- methinks I'll keep doing that way :-)))) Sorry if my email isn't cluttered with geeky details like release nbrs and such, but I'm about to close down the whole hulabaloo and go home ;) -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | *** WARNING WARNING WARNING *** EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED! *** | | *** USE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED BELOW *** | | IF YOU KEEP WRITING TO THE OLD ADDRESS IT IS NOT MY FAULT! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barbara Pennacchi b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it -- Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche -- Istituto di Scienze e Tecnologie della Cognizione V.le Marx 15, 00137 Roma, Italia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.istc.cnr.it/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu Tue Apr 13 16:58:22 2004 From: sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu (Jeff Sheltren) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:58:22 -0700 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <1081875502.7307.7.camel@forsberg> Hi Barbara: On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 09:37, Barbara Pennacchi wrote: > Sorry I didn't reply to you regarding using yum/apt on rh8, I was busy > enjoying Easter :-) (I'll reply to you on this later, though) > > I have another question which bothers me a bit more than the status of > yum/apt on rh8... > > As I said some emails ago, I've downloaded by hand all the new errata > concerning my rh8 server, including the kernel upgrade. > > it all went ALMOST well. Only the kernel RPM gave me some problems: > > - it didn't like the fact that I used LILO instead of grub. > - it behaves differently from previous RPM kernel upgrades: where > I expected to find the older kernel sitting peacefully in /boot/ together > with the new release and its tag in lilo.conf moved down to something like > "linux.bak", this FLP's RPM somehow managed to wipe off the previous > kernel from /boot/ ....and mess up with lilo.conf!!! argh. The 'linux.bak' tag in lilo.conf is put there by yum, not by the kernel RPM IIRC. Since you are now installing by hand and not using yum, that's why you got the screwy behaviour in the lilo.conf file. By the way, since it wiped out the old kernel from boot, it sounds like you upgraded the kernel RPM instead of installing it. Usually (always?) you'll want to install (-i flag in RPM) a kernel package so that you don't blow away your old kernel. When using yum this is the default behaviour... > I don't know if I have just been plain unlucky (Italians would say > "ammazza, aho' che sfiga!"...) or if other people have encountered similar > problems with this specific kernel release from FLP.... But I think that > maybe next kernel releases from FLP should try to behave like previous > RH's kernel updates... (or put a warning about that different > behaviour :-) I believe that the kernel packages do behave exactly as the old RH kernel updates did (at least as far as I can tell). > > (Never been keen on letting up2date do its work automagically: I've always > updated my RH boxes personally -- methinks I'll keep doing that way :-)))) I would definatley lean towards yum for this - it'll make your life much easier. Although it sounds from the begining of your message that you are having problems with yum on RH8...? -Jeff From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Tue Apr 13 17:11:10 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:11:10 +0200 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <20040413191110.4230715e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:37:36 +0200, Barbara Pennacchi wrote: > I have another question which bothers me a bit more than the status of > yum/apt on rh8... > > As I said some emails ago, I've downloaded by hand all the new errata > concerning my rh8 server, including the kernel upgrade. > > it all went ALMOST well. Only the kernel RPM gave me some problems: > > - it didn't like the fact that I used LILO instead of grub. > - it behaves differently from previous RPM kernel upgrades: where > I expected to find the older kernel sitting peacefully in /boot/ together > with the new release and its tag in lilo.conf moved down to something like > "linux.bak", this FLP's RPM somehow managed to wipe off the previous > kernel from /boot/ ....and mess up with lilo.conf!!! argh. No. Don't install kernel updates with "rpm -Uvh". Use "rpm -ivh" to install a new kernel alongside existing kernel packages. From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Tue Apr 13 17:53:45 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:53:45 +0200 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <1081875502.7307.7.camel@forsberg> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> <1081875502.7307.7.camel@forsberg> Message-ID: <20040413175345.GA3452@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> On 13.04.04 18:58, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > The 'linux.bak' tag in lilo.conf is put there by yum, not by the kernel Nope, I haven't yet installed yum nor apt on the rh8 box. And I cannot nor I would want to test yum/apt on a running website :D (and this answers a previous email about those two programs). Until EOL of RH8 I used up2date for kernel updates (it complained about the absence of grub too, but installed everything anyway without removing old kernels). Hope this clarifies everything because I'm not right away in the mood for re- explaining from the start what was up2date's behaviour (which was what I expected when I took the RPM from FLP's site...) For what concerns yum/apt, again: sorry folks, but I'd rather wait for yum/apt to get declared stable for RH8 before starting to use it (whichever one wins... :) -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | *** WARNING WARNING WARNING *** EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED! *** | | *** USE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED BELOW *** | | IF YOU KEEP WRITING TO THE OLD ADDRESS IT IS NOT MY FAULT! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barbara Pennacchi b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it -- Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche -- Istituto di Scienze e Tecnologie della Cognizione V.le Marx 15, 00137 Roma, Italia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.istc.cnr.it/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu Tue Apr 13 17:57:33 2004 From: sheltren at cs.ucsb.edu (Jeff Sheltren) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:57:33 -0700 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040413175345.GA3452@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> <1081875502.7307.7.camel@forsberg> <20040413175345.GA3452@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <1081879053.7313.10.camel@forsberg> On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 10:53, Barbara Pennacchi wrote: > On 13.04.04 18:58, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > > > The 'linux.bak' tag in lilo.conf is put there by yum, not by the kernel > > Nope, I haven't yet installed yum nor apt on the rh8 box. And I cannot nor > I would want to test yum/apt on a running website :D (and this answers a > previous email about those two programs). Until EOL of RH8 I used up2date > for kernel updates (it complained about the absence of grub too, but > installed everything anyway without removing old kernels). Hope this > clarifies everything because I'm not right away in the mood for re- > explaining from the start what was up2date's behaviour (which was what I > expected when I took the RPM from FLP's site...) > > For what concerns yum/apt, again: sorry folks, but I'd rather wait for > yum/apt to get declared stable for RH8 before starting to use it > (whichever one wins... :) OK, my bad. My guess is that up2date was the thing updating lilo.conf for you then... I'm not sure why you don't think yum is stable on RH8 though? Am I missing something? -Jeff From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Tue Apr 13 18:05:28 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:05:28 -0500 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <20040413130528.7qqo5k14o0o8oso8@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Barbara Pennacchi : > it all went ALMOST well. Only the kernel RPM gave me some problems: > > - it didn't like the fact that I used LILO instead of grub. How so? (I use it with RH 8.0 + LILO without any real problems, though there are some issues, like entry name too long, or failing to update lilo if your lilo.conf isn't standard). How did you install the kernel? > - it behaves differently from previous RPM kernel upgrades: where > I expected to find the older kernel sitting peacefully in /boot/ together > with the new release and its tag in lilo.conf moved down to something like > "linux.bak", this FLP's RPM somehow managed to wipe off the previous > kernel from /boot/ ....and mess up with lilo.conf!!! argh. Again, how so, and how did you install it? > Had to download the deleted kernel from archive, re-install it, then > manually rename all files related to the newer kernel, editing lilo.conf > by hand, trying lilo only to see it complain. Or read the kernel release which documents the problem you likely saw. > I then removed the ".legacy" thing from the newer kernel's related > filenames, then try again "lilo" (with fingers crossed), then peek again > inside /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/ to verify that everything matched. You don't need to rename any files. Just change the name tag in your lilo.conf to make it shorter. > I don't know if I have just been plain unlucky (Italians would say > "ammazza, aho' che sfiga!"...) or if other people have encountered similar > problems with this specific kernel release from FLP.... But I think that > maybe next kernel releases from FLP should try to behave like previous > RH's kernel updates... (or put a warning about that different > behaviour :-) The only reported problem (name too long) is mentioned in the release, and was covered on the mailing list several times. The only unreported problem probably would affect other installs besides FL as well. > (Never been keen on letting up2date do its work automagically: I've always > updated my RH boxes personally -- methinks I'll keep doing that way :-)))) That is why yum defaults to not updating kernels. ;) Other than kernels, you're probably safer using yum/apt than doing it by hand... > Sorry if my email isn't cluttered with geeky details like release nbrs and > such, but I'm about to close down the whole hulabaloo and go home ;) Well, you need to at least tell us the command you used to install the kernel or we can't help explain any problems. -- Eric Rostetter From euckew at sierraelectronics.com Tue Apr 13 23:26:15 2004 From: euckew at sierraelectronics.com (Eucke Warren) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:26:15 -0700 Subject: RH8 Message-ID: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> Hello All, I apologize if this is the wrong place for this question. That said.... I have burned the better part of a day trying to google and resolve broken dependencies to get apt or yum installed as well as updating popt and I am simply spinning my wheels. This is an endless string of package dependencies that aren't working. This is a functional install of RH 8.0 kernel 2.4.18-14 but I cannot seem to make headway towards getting any of the packages discussed on the fedora-legacy site installed. I understand that development is underway but shouldn't at least some of it be functional? Or should I save myself the grief and just move to RH9? Any suggestions on other walk throughs that anyone else may have done on getting the basic yum, apt, python, popt rpms installed successfully would be greatly appreciated. I am desperately trying to learn and I am missing a few keys it would appear. Thanks for your kindness guys. Eucke -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Wed Apr 14 00:49:53 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:49:53 +0200 Subject: RH8 In-Reply-To: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> References: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> Message-ID: <20040414024953.5d1b9941.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 16:26:15 -0700, Eucke Warren wrote: > I apologize if this is the wrong place for this question. That said.... It's not the wrong place, but it's completely wrong to not quote any error messages. > I have burned the better part of a day trying to google and resolve broken dependencies to get apt or yum installed as well as updating popt and I am simply spinning my wheels. > There is no yum/apt from Fedora Legacy yet. What packages have you tried to install? What error messages have you seen? > This is an endless string of package dependencies that aren't working. This is a functional install of RH 8.0 kernel 2.4.18-14 > Why 2.4.18-14? There have been many kernel errata for Red Hat Linux 8.0. From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Wed Apr 14 01:22:58 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:22:58 -0500 Subject: RH8 In-Reply-To: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> References: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> Message-ID: <20040413202258.uw0cwc00c4wgcow4@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Eucke Warren : > Hello All, Hi! > I apologize if this is the wrong place for this question. That said.... No, it is the correct place. > I have burned the better part of a day trying to google and resolve > broken dependencies to get apt or yum installed as well as updating > popt and I am simply spinning my wheels. Sorry. Feel free to ask here. Start by updating your RPM via the rpms at http://download.fedoralegacy.org/redhat/8.0/legacy-utils/i386/ Then, either get a public version of apt/yum for RH 8.0, or (prefered) download and test the version of apt given at http://www.fedoralegacy.org/contrib/apt/apt-0.5.15cnc5-0.fdr.9.rh80.10.legacy.i386.rpm You shouldn't need anything else for a stripped down server. But if you gave gnome rpm utils installed, or the like, you may have some dependency issues. If you do, please let us know on the mailing list so we can help resolve these issues. > This is an endless string of package dependencies that aren't > working. This is a functional install of RH 8.0 kernel 2.4.18-14 but > I cannot seem to make headway towards getting any of the packages > discussed on the fedora-legacy site installed. Try the above, if possible, and report back and problems or questions you have. We'll try to help. > I understand that development is underway but shouldn't at least > some of it be functional? Or should I save myself the grief and just > move to RH9? That is up to you to evaluate. FL is doing a good job with RH 7.x, but so far RH 8.0 support has been lacking. RH 9 support will probably be better, but it won't really get rolling for a while still (since RH 9 hasn't hit EOL yet, etc). > Any suggestions on other walk throughs that anyone else may have done > on getting the basic yum, apt, python, popt rpms installed > successfully would be greatly appreciated. I did what I said above. Installed the new RPM stuff from FL, then the test version of the apt RPM, and was off and running using the unfinished docs at http://www.fedoralegacy.org/docs/apt-rh8.php BUT, I realize my server doesn't have all the other rpm-related-stuff installed like up2date, gnome rpm tools, etc. So you may see dependencies that I didn't see. > I am desperately trying to learn and I am missing a few keys it would appear. Let me know what I can do to help. > Thanks for your kindness guys. > > Eucke -- Eric Rostetter From ral77 at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 14 05:04:57 2004 From: ral77 at bellsouth.net (ral77) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:04:57 -0400 Subject: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <407CC679.4010304@bellsouth.net> Jesse Guardiani wrote: > >2.) Does Fedora Legacy offer any additional functionality and/or > general redhat 7.3 discussion, or should I go elsewhere > for that? Is this strictly a security update forum, in other > words? > > I ask because I'm having trouble with iptables + ethernet > bridging with my stock Redhat 2.4.20 kernel (seems that bridge > traffic doesn't pass through iptables with that kernel), and > I was wondering if that bug was maybe fixed in the Fedora > Legacy kernel updates? > >Thanks! > > > A couple resources on usenet : comp.os.linux.redhat (redhat questions) and iptables questions at -> comp.os.linux.security From ivan at geosci.usyd.edu.au Wed Apr 14 07:30:10 2004 From: ivan at geosci.usyd.edu.au (Ivan Teliatnikov) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:30:10 +1000 (EST) Subject: fedora-legacy-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 12 In-Reply-To: <20040413160010.BA1FA738A8@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 fedora-legacy-list-request at redhat.com wrote: I have about 40 machines running 8. Two teaching labs. > Send fedora-legacy-list mailing list submissions to > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fedora-legacy-list-request at redhat.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fedora-legacy-list-owner at redhat.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of fedora-legacy-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Update-excuses report? (John Dalbec) > 2. Re: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support (Randall J. Parr) > 3. Re: Update-excuses report? (Jesse Keating) > 4. Re: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support (Eric Rostetter) > 5. Re: Rsync of download.fedoralegacy.org (Jesse Keating) > 6. Re: Update-excuses report? (dick morrell) > 7. RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure (Mike Vanecek) > 8. Re: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure (Jesse Keating) > 9. Re: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure (Howard B Owen) > 10. Re: RH 9 Complete Upgrade Procedure (Howard B Owen) > 11. redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question (Jesse Guardiani) > 12. Re: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question > (Jesse Keating) > 13. Re: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question (Wil Cooley) > 14. RE: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question > (Seth Shoemaker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:53:50 -0400 > From: John Dalbec > Subject: Re: Update-excuses report? > To: fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <407AC99E.7040803 at ysu.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Jesse Keating wrote: > > The biggest excuse has been my lack of time. I had to get a couple > > chapters written for an upcoming book, then I had in-laws drop in > > unexpectantly. Thankfully though, after this weekend's visit to another > > set of inlaws I should have more free time before I need to start doing > > some tech editing for yet another book. There is also the issue of moving > > download.fedoralegacy.org. I don't want to make any changes to the > > current one as rsync is off and httpd is severely throttled. > > You could promote the usage of mirror sites (assuming they still have rsync > access) by updating the apt mirror selection files. > > Once the new > > system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) that > > need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy work. There is > > a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so those are top priority. > > I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't expecting it. We also need to > > ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be building the RHL9 tree on download when > > the new one comes up. > > This begs the question: what is preventing the new system from coming online? > Is it that you haven't had time to set it up? > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:03:59 -0700 > From: "Randall J. Parr" > Subject: Re: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support > To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project > > Message-ID: <407ACBFF.3010604 at TemporalArts.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > seth vidal wrote: > > >>Red Hat 8.0 support in Fedora Legacy seems pathetic. We had a functioning > >>apt-get for RH 8, I tested it (and am still using it) and it seems to work. > >>It was put on hold for "upcoming changes upstream" and that's the last I > >>heard of it. Why couldn't we release it as it was (assuming it was working, > >>which it appears to be) and then release another version when the upstream > >>changes came in (can't apt-get update itself)? > >> > >> > > > >8.0 support sucks b/c from what I can tell there are about 5 people on > >the planet using 8.0. It was not a widely installed release b/c a lot of > >people were waiting for an 8.1 at that point and then when 9 came out > >they jumped to that, instead. > > > > > > > > I have several clients with RH8 systems in production. RH9 has been > suggested but they are not interested in upgrading from EOL RH8 to > soon-to-be EOL RH9. > > Would it be simplify ongoing RH8 support by requiring an upgrade to the > newer RPM (thus eliminating the RPM vs yum/apt version problem)? > > We upgraded to rpm-4.1.1, yum 2.03, et.al. quite a while ago to get > around the rpm lockup problems. > > R.Parr, RHCE > Temporal Arts > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:06:26 -0700 > From: Jesse Keating > Subject: Re: Update-excuses report? > To: fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > Message-ID: <200404121006.31883.jkeating at j2solutions.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Monday 12 April 2004 09:53, John Dalbec wrote: > > You could promote the usage of mirror sites (assuming they still have > > rsync access) by updating the apt mirror selection files. > > I have been waiting on that, as some of the new mirrors haven't synced > yet. No, they don't have rsync currently. > > > Once the new > > > > > system comes online, then I can make the changes (push the updates) > > > that need to happen. I plan on devoting my free time to Legacy > > > work. There is a lot in the queue that needs to be released, so > > > those are top priority. I am very sorry about the delay, wasn't > > > expecting it. We also need to ramp up for RHL9 support. I'll be > > > building the RHL9 tree on download when the new one comes up. > > > > This begs the question: what is preventing the new system from coming > > online? Is it that you haven't had time to set it up? > > Approval from the site in question. 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Does Fedora Legacy offer any additional functionality and/or >> general redhat 7.3 discussion, or should I go elsewhere >> for that? Is this strictly a security update forum, in other >> words? >> >> I ask because I'm having trouble with iptables + ethernet >> bridging with my stock Redhat 2.4.20 kernel (seems that bridge >> traffic doesn't pass through iptables with that kernel), and >> I was wondering if that bug was maybe fixed in the Fedora >> Legacy kernel updates? >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> > A couple resources on usenet : > comp.os.linux.redhat (redhat questions) > and iptables questions at -> comp.os.linux.security > If even after upgrade doesn't work then as last option try to install the kernel 2.4.25 and iptables 1.2.8 from source code From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Wed Apr 14 09:57:51 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:57:51 +0200 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <1081879053.7313.10.camel@forsberg> References: <20040413163736.GC3379@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> <1081875502.7307.7.camel@forsberg> <20040413175345.GA3452@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> <1081879053.7313.10.camel@forsberg> Message-ID: <20040414095751.GA2499@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> On 13.04.04 19:57, Jeff Sheltren wrote: > I'm not sure why you don't think yum is stable on RH8 though? Am I > missing something? I dunno, really. I browsed the whole FLP website, but there wasn't much on using yum with rh8 (except for the pages on using it with rh7.x, which doesn't have much in common with rh8...). Looked in the whole downloads directory (in the 8.0 tree), even in updates-testing and in legacy-utils: there wasn't much not even the src :) So I assumed that rh8 was meant to use apt... whenever and whether it's ready :) If I assumed wrong, I apologize. But Bugzilla doesn't seem to me promising too: I found 3 bugs about yum in it, none of them resolved and it is not clear what version of RH they're referring too.... Maybe I'm being over-cautious... -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | *** WARNING WARNING WARNING *** EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED! *** | | *** USE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED BELOW *** | | IF YOU KEEP WRITING TO THE OLD ADDRESS IT IS NOT MY FAULT! | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barbara Pennacchi b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it -- Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche -- Istituto di Scienze e Tecnologie della Cognizione V.le Marx 15, 00137 Roma, Italia ---------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.istc.cnr.it/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Wed Apr 14 16:41:29 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:41:29 +0200 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040414120803.6A10B73697@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040414120803.6A10B73697@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040414164129.GA3791@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Eric Rostetter wrote: > How so? (I use it with RH 8.0 + LILO without any real problems, though > there are some issues, like entry name too long, or failing to update > lilo if your lilo.conf isn't standard). Maybe because I never installed grub in first place? Up2date complained only that it couldn't find any grub-related files to modify when installing the new kernel, but didn't complain nor say anything about the lilo.conf file (I modified it a bit because I wanted back the classic "LILO:" string white on black, but didn't touch anything else) > How did you install the kernel? Hum. After reading all your replies I realized that until now I let up2date manage the kernel up2date whenever I launched it. Aside from rh8 rpms, I had very few non-rh8 packages (like fwbuilder) on it. And those I installed with rpm -Ivh, then updated them with rpm -Uvh.... BUT somehow, I assumed that using rpm -Uvh with this flp's kernel update would be akin to up2date's behaviour. (cringe -- well, I hadn't yet done my stupid thing of the day :/ when I started trying to pull that act and, of course, I thought it a bit WEIRD that to upgrade a kernel one had to use "Install"). Ok. Sorry. > > I then removed the ".legacy" thing from the newer kernel's related > > filenames, then try again "lilo" (with fingers crossed), then peek > again > > inside /etc/lilo.conf and /boot/ to verify that everything matched. > > You don't need to rename any files. Just change the name tag in your > lilo.conf to make it shorter. I think that the tags "linux" and "linux.old" or "linux.bak" weren't the problem. Lilo didn't complain before, as I said. Up2date usually liked to put in lilo.conf the new kernel as two entries, with both the full name release and the "linux" tag, bumping the older kernel to "linux.bak", but I usually removed the duplicate entry with the longer tag, before hitting lilo. After reinstalling back the former kernel, I pulled a backup of the lilo. conf and, after I dutifully modified it to reflect the 2 kernel versions ("legacy" thing in filename included!) tried telling lilo.conf that "linux" was the blahblah.legacy.blah and "linux.bak" the older kernel. But lilo choked. Only after removing the "legacy" string from both lilo.conf and actual filenames and make the symlinks point to them, lilo was finally satisfied. (sheesh, sometimes I feel a bit of an idiot :) OK -- I'll put up a post-it on my monitor saying "kernel upgrade? use rpm -Ivh, you idiot!" (for next time I have to upgrade kernel again) Sorry for having bothered you in the first place :) -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | WARNING WARNING WARNING *** EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED! | | USE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED BELOW | | IF YOU KEEP WRITING TO THE OLD ADDRESS IT IS NOT MY FAULT! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Barbara Pennacchi b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it | | Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche | | Istituto di Scienze e Tecnologie della Cognizione | | V.le Marx 15, 00137 Roma, Italia | | http://www.istc.cnr.it/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Wed Apr 14 19:36:02 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 14:36:02 -0500 Subject: On FLP's kernel updates for RH8 In-Reply-To: <20040414164129.GA3791@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> References: <20040414120803.6A10B73697@hormel.redhat.com> <20040414164129.GA3791@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> Message-ID: <20040414143602.0vk8h348cok8o48s@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Barbara Pennacchi : > Maybe because I never installed grub in first place? Up2date complained Could be, I don't know. My machine does have the grub rpm installed, even though I use only lilo... > BUT somehow, I assumed that using rpm -Uvh with this flp's kernel update > would be akin to up2date's behaviour. (cringe -- well, I hadn't yet done > my stupid thing of the day :/ when I started trying to pull that act and, > of course, I thought it a bit WEIRD that to upgrade a kernel one had to > use "Install"). Yes, it is a bit strange, but it is normal. All kernel RPMS from any source will need to do a Install if you want to keep your old kernel(s), or an Upgrade if you want to replace your existing kernel(s). > Ok. Sorry. No problem. > After reinstalling back the former kernel, I pulled a backup of the lilo. > conf and, after I dutifully modified it to reflect the 2 kernel versions > ("legacy" thing in filename included!) tried telling lilo.conf that > "linux" was the blahblah.legacy.blah and "linux.bak" the older kernel. > > But lilo choked. I've never seen this, except if the label field is too long. My lilo.conf for example is: image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-30.8.legacysmp label=2.4.20-30.8smp read-only root=/dev/md0 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-30.8.legacysmp.img image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-27.8smp label=2.4.20-27.8smp read-only root=/dev/md0 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.20-27.8smp.img And it works fine. Now, if you put a long string in the label field, it will die. And the FL kernel RPM does try to do this, so it will die. But this is documented in the kernel advisory. > Only after removing the "legacy" string from both lilo.conf and actual > filenames and make the symlinks point to them, lilo was finally satisfied. I still don't understand exactly what you had to change. But maybe it is too late to track it all back at this point in time. > Sorry for having bothered you in the first place :) No, it is quite alright. Please don't hesitate to post questions. You're apt to learn from them, as are others on the list. -- Eric Rostetter From RParr at TemporalArts.COM Wed Apr 14 23:08:00 2004 From: RParr at TemporalArts.COM (Randall J. Parr) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:08:00 -0700 Subject: RH8 In-Reply-To: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> References: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> Message-ID: <407DC450.1090604@TemporalArts.com> Eucke Warren wrote: > Any suggestions on other walk throughs that anyone else may have done > on getting the basic yum, apt, python, popt rpms installed > successfully would be greatly appreciated. I am desperately trying to > learn and I am missing a few keys it would appear. > The only real advantage of installing the yum/apt provided by FL (or other repository for that matter) is that it, generally, automagically configures the yum/apt/rpm to find and accept rpms from that repository. You can easily get to the same place by installing the yum/apt from some other repository, extending the yum/apt config, and installing the appropriate rpms keys. I would suggest installing the freshrpms.net yum/apt for RH8 (per instructions on that site). Add the FL repository lines to the /etc/yum.conf and the /etc/apt/sources.list (per the notes at http://fedoralegacy.org/download/) Then download the FL rpm key (FEDORA-LEGACY-GPG-KEY from http://fedoralegacy.org/about/security.php) and install it (rpm --import ) I would also, as somone else suggested, downloaded the 5 rpms from http://download.fedoralegacy.org/redhat/8.0/legacy-utils/i386/ into a an empty directory and manually upgraded to rpm-4.1.1 (to avoid RH8 rpm hang problems) (ie rpm -Uvvh *.rpm >LOG 2>&1) Alternatively, you could use apt-get to upgrade the rpm to 4.1.1 (ie apt-get update ; apt-get install popt rpm rpm-build rpm-devel rpm-python) I have been using this setup and apt-get and/or yum to update RH8 just fine. I tend to use yum to update kernels and other wise use apt (which does not update kernels with most default settings) R.Parr, RHCE Temporal Arts From michal at harddata.com Thu Apr 15 03:05:58 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:05:58 -0600 Subject: new cvs issues Message-ID: <20040414210558.A21733@mail.harddata.com> Sorry to interrupt discussions about working/non-working yum and apt for RH8 but today RHSA-2004:153-01 came out with new security fixes for CVS. See https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1485 for Legacy angle but in short recompiling source rpms mentioned in the Red Hat advisory should be just it. Michal From pmatilai at welho.com Thu Apr 15 05:32:32 2004 From: pmatilai at welho.com (Panu Matilainen) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 08:32:32 +0300 (EEST) Subject: RH8 In-Reply-To: <407DC450.1090604@TemporalArts.com> References: <00ba01c421ae$b762fb40$3f01a8c0@Eucke> <407DC450.1090604@TemporalArts.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Randall J. Parr wrote: > Eucke Warren wrote: > > > Any suggestions on other walk throughs that anyone else may have done > > on getting the basic yum, apt, python, popt rpms installed > > successfully would be greatly appreciated. I am desperately trying to > > learn and I am missing a few keys it would appear. > > > > > The only real advantage of installing the yum/apt provided by FL (or > other repository for that matter) > is that it, generally, automagically configures the yum/apt/rpm to find > and accept rpms from that repository. > > You can easily get to the same place by installing the yum/apt from some > other repository, extending the yum/apt config, and installing the > appropriate rpms keys. > > I would suggest installing the freshrpms.net yum/apt for RH8 (per > instructions on that site). That will work, yes, but it wont check GPG signatures. The FL apt has other enhancements not present in any other apt (except fedora.us) so I would recommend using the FL one instead of a "random" package found off the net. Problem of course is FL hasn't published any official apt for RHL 8 .. [snip] > I tend to use yum to update kernels and other wise use apt > (which does not update kernels with most default settings) FL apt does btw update kernels as well (yet another reason to use it over others :) - Panu - From jesse at wingnet.net Thu Apr 15 13:50:18 2004 From: jesse at wingnet.net (Jesse Guardiani) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:50:18 -0400 Subject: redhat 7.3 and fedora legacy kernel fix question References: <407CC679.4010304@bellsouth.net> <407CEE4B.8060503@reea.net> Message-ID: marius popa wrote: [...] >> A couple resources on usenet : >> comp.os.linux.redhat (redhat questions) >> and iptables questions at -> comp.os.linux.security >> > If even after upgrade doesn't work then as last option > try to install the kernel 2.4.25 and iptables 1.2.8 from source code I got it working finally. I upgraded to the latest binary legacy kernel: kernel-2.4.20-30.7.legacy Then I rebooted just to make sure it works. Next I installed the legacy source kernel package: kernel-source-2.4.20-30.7.legacy And I manually patched the legacy source kernel with this patch for the 2.4.24 kernel from the ebtables website: ebtables-brnf-5_vs_2.4.24.diff It applied with a few failed chunks in net/Makefile, but upon examining the Makefile.rej file I was able to determine that the rejected chunks were inconsequential. I then configured my kernel with the stock redhat 7.3 i686 config file and followed the directions on the ebtables website to enable ebtables and the bridge-nf code. Finally, I recompiled my kernel using the instructions provided in the Redhat 7.3 Customization manual and rebooted. Upon reboot iptables could magically see bridge traffic. It's too bad the redhat folks decided to take this functionality out of the stock 7.3 kernel after 2.4.18-x. It took me longer to figure out what the problem was than it took to patch and recompile a new kernel... Thanks! -- Jesse Guardiani, Systems Administrator WingNET Internet Services, P.O. Box 2605 // Cleveland, TN 37320-2605 423-559-LINK (v) 423-559-5145 (f) http://www.wingnet.net From b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it Thu Apr 15 18:07:10 2004 From: b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it (Barbara Pennacchi) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:07:10 +0200 Subject: fedora-legacy-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: <20040415160022.530ED7439E@hormel.redhat.com> References: <20040415160022.530ED7439E@hormel.redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040415180710.GA2517@sibannac.ip.rm.cnr.it> On 15.04.04 18:00, Eric Rostetter wrote: > I still don't understand exactly what you had to change. But maybe it To make a long story short, I had to use "mv kernel.blahblah.legacy.blah kernel.blahblah.blah" and modify accordingly lilo.conf to reflect the new filenames. It wasnt' just the problem of the over-long labels (which were already "linux" and "linux.bak" :p. Maybe something of this is still in the logs. Tomorrow I'll look into them. > is too late to track it all back at this point in time. Well, if there's something useful in the logs, I'll try FLP's bugzilla thing. What matters to me now is that the server didn't receive any permanent damage :) > No, it is quite alright. Please don't hesitate to post questions. > You're apt to learn from them, as are others on the list. "apt"... as in apt versus yum? :-D -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | WARNING WARNING WARNING *** EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGED! | | USE EMAIL ADDRESS PROVIDED BELOW | | IF YOU KEEP WRITING TO THE OLD ADDRESS IT IS NOT MY FAULT! | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Barbara Pennacchi b.pennacchi at istc.cnr.it | | Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche | | Istituto di Scienze e Tecnologie della Cognizione | | V.le Marx 15, 00137 Roma, Italia | | http://www.istc.cnr.it/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From michal at harddata.com Thu Apr 15 20:29:04 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:29:04 -0600 Subject: Advisory for today - squid Message-ID: <20040415142904.A9182@mail.harddata.com> RHSA-2004:133-12 presents 'squid' with a fix for CAN-2004-0189. A usual routine of rebuilding src.rpm referenced there, after a change in a release string, works just fine at least for 7.x releases. Michal From boris at folgmann.de Thu Apr 15 09:16:15 2004 From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:16:15 +0200 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> References: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> Message-ID: Hi Troy, Troy Dawson schrieb: > RedHat 9 isn't legacy yet, so maybe this isn't the best place to send > this. ;) It's legacy now. > But, if you go to > http://www.gimp.org/unix/ > They have a link for RedHat 9 rpm's, and the SRPM's are there too. No, there offering only packages for: GNU/Linux * Debian testing (deb) * Debian unstable (deb) * Fedora Core 1 (RPM) * SuSE 9.0 (RPM) * Gentoo Portage cu, boris From swsnyder at insightbb.com Fri Apr 16 15:58:11 2004 From: swsnyder at insightbb.com (Steve Snyder) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:58:11 -0500 Subject: Criteria for update release? Message-ID: <200404161058.11451.swsnyder@insightbb.com> Hello. I'm puzzled by the Fedora Legacy release policy. There are packages in Testing that are over a month old without having been released as Updates. Reading the FL mailing lists, though, I see no discussion of what problems are preventing the release of these packages. (I am particularly interested in the updated OpenSSL packages, which are security-critical.) Is there a formal testing/release policy that I haven't seen yet? Thanks. From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 16 17:05:23 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:05:23 -0700 Subject: Criteria for update release? In-Reply-To: <200404161058.11451.swsnyder@insightbb.com> References: <200404161058.11451.swsnyder@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <200404161005.24539.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 16 April 2004 08:58, Steve Snyder wrote: > Hello. > > I'm puzzled by the Fedora Legacy release policy. > > There are packages in Testing that are over a month old without > having been released as Updates. Reading the FL mailing lists, > though, I see no discussion of what problems are preventing the > release of these packages. > > (I am particularly interested in the updated OpenSSL packages, which > are security-critical.) > > Is there a formal testing/release policy that I haven't seen yet? There is a delay right now as we move the master server to a new host. I had to disable rsync and heavily throttle http until we get moved. I didn't feel comfortable making releases when the mirrors won't be able to sync up. When the new host gets up, all these things pending will be worked on. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From kelson at speed.net Fri Apr 16 17:38:24 2004 From: kelson at speed.net (Kelson Vibber) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:38:24 -0700 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: References: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040416102250.0267a950@mail.speed.net> At 02:16 AM 4/15/2004, Boris Folgmann wrote: >Troy Dawson schrieb: > > RedHat 9 isn't legacy yet, so maybe this isn't the best place to send > this. ;) > >It's legacy now. Not for another two weeks, although it *is* time to get the infrastructure in place. But even if it were, this is still technically off-topic. Fedora Legacy is about providing bug fixes and security fixes for EOL'ed Red Hat products. Providing newer software isn't its goal. On the other hand, the people building the updates have experience in adjusting packages intended for one system to work on an older one, so the expertise is here. Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications From thomas at cs.wisc.edu Fri Apr 16 19:27:12 2004 From: thomas at cs.wisc.edu (David Thompson) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:27:12 -0500 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: Message from Kelson Vibber of "Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:38:24 PDT." <6.0.1.1.0.20040416102250.0267a950@mail.speed.net> Message-ID: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> Kelson Vibber wrote: > >Not for another two weeks, although it *is* time to get the infrastructure >in place. But even if it were, this is still technically >off-topic. Fedora Legacy is about providing bug fixes and security fixes >for EOL'ed Red Hat products. Providing newer software isn't its goal. > >On the other hand, the people building the updates have experience in >adjusting packages intended for one system to work on an older one, so the >expertise is here. Upgrading some package to the newest version could require upgrades to , , and as well, plus the addition of new items and . I would appreciate the choice between "the fixed, same-old version of which is easy to install" and "the new version of , which requires new versions of its dependents *and* introduces new dependencies which haven't existed up to this point, plus config file changes, etc., etc., etc." While I think that there will be value for some going down "upgrade to the newest version" path, I think it would be better to create a separate path "enhancements" for such things, while keeping a "main" path of "drop-in" fixes to existing versions. If the expertise is present to do both with little overhead, so much the better. Dave Thompson Associate Researcher Department of Computer Science University of Wisconsin-Madison http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~thomas 1210 West Dayton Street Phone: (608)-262-1017 Madison, WI 53706-1685 Fax: (608)-262-6626 -- From kelson at speed.net Fri Apr 16 19:45:42 2004 From: kelson at speed.net (Kelson Vibber) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:45:42 -0700 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> References: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040416124419.026bed00@mail.speed.net> At 12:27 PM 4/16/2004, David Thompson wrote: >While I think that there will be value for some going down "upgrade to the >newest version" path, I think it would be better to create a separate path >"enhancements" for such things, while keeping a "main" path of "drop-in" >fixes to existing versions. If the expertise is present to do both with >little overhead, so much the better. Sorry, I wasn't suggesting FL switch gears, just that this might be a logical place to ask the question. Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications From howen at cisco.com Fri Apr 16 21:25:25 2004 From: howen at cisco.com (Howard B Owen) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:25:25 -0700 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> References: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <1082150725.24434.27.camel@quirk.cisco.com> On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 12:27, David Thompson wrote: > Upgrading some package to the newest version could require > upgrades to , , and as well, plus the addition of > new items and . I would appreciate the choice between > "the fixed, same-old version of which is easy to install" and > "the new version of , which requires new versions of its > dependents *and* introduces new dependencies which haven't existed > up to this point, plus config file changes, etc., etc., etc." This is certainly the set of choices with gimp2. With its tight coupling with gtk+, it brings a whole slew of dependencies in with it. Howard Owen - Linux Architect "Even if you are on the right IBM Global Services - Cisco Linux track, you'll get run over if you howen at cisco.com +1-408-853-1381 just sit there." - Will Rogers From fedoraleg_form at mm-vanecek.cc Sat Apr 17 00:03:18 2004 From: fedoraleg_form at mm-vanecek.cc (Mike Vanecek) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:03:18 -0500 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040416102250.0267a950@mail.speed.net> References: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> <6.0.1.1.0.20040416102250.0267a950@mail.speed.net> Message-ID: <20040417000208.M12149@mm-vanecek.cc> On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:38:24 -0700, Kelson Vibber wrote > At 02:16 AM 4/15/2004, Boris Folgmann wrote: > >Troy Dawson schrieb: > > > RedHat 9 isn't legacy yet, so maybe this isn't the best place to send > > this. ;) > > > >It's legacy now. > > Not for another two weeks, although it *is* time to get the > infrastructure in place. But even if it were, this is still > technically off-topic. Fedora Legacy is about providing bug fixes > and security fixes for EOL'ed Red Hat products. Providing newer > software isn't its goal. > > On the other hand, the people building the updates have experience > in adjusting packages intended for one system to work on an older > one, so the expertise is here. Maybe add a contrib leg? From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 17 01:59:28 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 21:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <20040417000208.M12149@mm-vanecek.cc> References: <406D6A71.5060807@fnal.gov> <6.0.1.1.0.20040416102250.0267a950@mail.speed.net> <20040417000208.M12149@mm-vanecek.cc> Message-ID: <65095.205.240.37.232.1082167168.squirrel@205.240.37.232> Mike Vanecek said: [snip] > Maybe add a contrib leg? What's wrong with the existing fedora.us? Or freshrpms.net, or ATrpms, or.... -- William Hooper From yonah at mirimar.net Sun Apr 18 14:19:45 2004 From: yonah at mirimar.net (Yonah Russ) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:19:45 +0200 Subject: Upcoming instructions for redhat 9 Message-ID: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> could someone explain how to set up systems to update redhat 9- I realize support for redhat 9 hasn't begun yet but I'd rather get everything ready before redhat support ends than after- thanks yonah From kwan at digitalhermit.com Sun Apr 18 14:00:51 2004 From: kwan at digitalhermit.com (Kwan Lowe) Date: 18 Apr 2004 10:00:51 -0400 Subject: Upcoming instructions for redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> References: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> Message-ID: <1082296851.5622.20.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:19, Yonah Russ wrote: > could someone explain how to set up systems to update redhat 9- I > realize support for redhat 9 hasn't begun yet but I'd rather get > everything ready before redhat support ends than after- > thanks > yonah > > I followed the instructions on this page: http://fedoralegacy.org/download/ To install yum, I went to: http://psyche.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=1118 (The above is a RH8 package). Install Yum then use the first link to populate your /etc/yum.conf file. It's not RedHat9, but I'd expect that the procedure would be almost identical. If you're using apt, just make sure to change the version number as the first link shows for 7.2, 7.3 and 8.0. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Apr 18 14:18:02 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 16:18:02 +0200 Subject: Upcoming instructions for redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <1082296851.5622.20.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> References: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> <1082296851.5622.20.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: <20040418161802.7cc3272e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On 18 Apr 2004 10:00:51 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > To install yum, I went to: > http://psyche.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=1118 > > (The above is a RH8 package). Install Yum then use the first link to > populate your /etc/yum.conf file. > > It's not RedHat9, but I'd expect that the procedure would be almost > identical. For yum/apt for Red Hat Linux 9, you would choose the packages from fedora.us "stable" tree for rh9, of course, e.g. http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/9/i386/RPMS.stable/ before Fedora Legacy makes available own versions. From kwan at digitalhermit.com Sun Apr 18 17:01:42 2004 From: kwan at digitalhermit.com (Kwan Lowe) Date: 18 Apr 2004 13:01:42 -0400 Subject: Upcoming instructions for redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <20040418161802.7cc3272e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> References: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> <1082296851.5622.20.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> <20040418161802.7cc3272e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> Message-ID: <1082307702.5622.26.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:18, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > For yum/apt for Red Hat Linux 9, you would choose the packages from > fedora.us "stable" tree for rh9, of course, e.g. > > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/9/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > before Fedora Legacy makes available own versions. Cool. This link also correctly populates the yum.conf file so it's the easiest route. Speaking of which, since it sends all machines to a single repository, it might be a good idea to list some mirrors and instructions for modifying yum.conf to point to the new repository. From ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de Sun Apr 18 17:11:19 2004 From: ms-nospam-0306 at arcor.de (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:11:19 +0200 Subject: Upcoming instructions for redhat 9 In-Reply-To: <1082307702.5622.26.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> References: <40828E81.5000609@mirimar.net> <1082296851.5622.20.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> <20040418161802.7cc3272e.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> <1082307702.5622.26.camel@darkstar.digitalhermit.com> Message-ID: <20040418191119.486cea40.ms-nospam-0306@arcor.de> On 18 Apr 2004 13:01:42 -0400, Kwan Lowe wrote: > On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 10:18, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > > For yum/apt for Red Hat Linux 9, you would choose the packages from > > fedora.us "stable" tree for rh9, of course, e.g. > > > > http://download.fedora.us/fedora/redhat/9/i386/RPMS.stable/ > > > > before Fedora Legacy makes available own versions. > > Cool. This link also correctly populates the yum.conf file so it's the > easiest route. > > Speaking of which, since it sends all machines to a single repository, > it might be a good idea to list some mirrors and instructions for > modifying yum.conf to point to the new repository. Of course. The default configuration is just to get people started. User should pick a nearby mirror and not use the fedora.us master server, which is located on Hawaii. Fedora Legacy Mirror list is here: http://www.fedoralegacy.org/download/fedoralegacy-mirrors.php Until Red Hat Linux 9 end-of-life, however, user should fetch errata packages from a Red Hat Linux Updates mirror. -- Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux 2.4.22-1.2179.nptl From ow.mun.heng at wdc.com Wed Apr 21 07:50:37 2004 From: ow.mun.heng at wdc.com (Ow Mun Heng) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:50:37 +0800 Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. Message-ID: Hi Guys, I have a cron job made for running mrtg on my adsl connection at an interval of 1 minute apart. However, my ADSL conn is not 24/7 turned on. So.. during the times when my PC is on, and the ASDL isn't, cron still continues to run and since it can't find the ppp0 connection, it'll output the error at a rate of 1 email per minute and I end up with a clogged inbox. cron 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg I know I should add a /dev/null somewhere, I tried 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > /dev/null 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > /dev/null Both does not work. Cheers From ow.mun.heng at wdc.com Wed Apr 21 07:54:37 2004 From: ow.mun.heng at wdc.com (Ow Mun Heng) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:54:37 +0800 Subject: [Oops - wrong list] Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. Message-ID: Oops... Sent to the wrong List... Apologies > -----Original Message----- > From: Ow Mun Heng > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:51 PM > To: Fedora-Legacy-List (E-mail) > Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. > > > Hi Guys, > > I have a cron job made for running mrtg on my adsl connection > at an interval of 1 minute apart. However, my ADSL conn is > not 24/7 turned on. So.. during the times when my PC is on, > and the ASDL > isn't, cron still continues to run and since it can't find the ppp0 > connection, > it'll output the error at a rate of 1 email per minute and I end up > with a clogged inbox. > > cron > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > > I know I should add a /dev/null somewhere, I tried > > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > /dev/null > > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > /dev/null > > Both does not work. > > Cheers > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > From peter at pandasys.co.uk Wed Apr 21 08:21:41 2004 From: peter at pandasys.co.uk (Peter Campion-Bye) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:21:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? Message-ID: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> Hi, I need a 2.4.22 kernel in order to run apcupsd (http://www.apcupsd.com) All the RedHat 8.0 kernels I can find stop at 2.4.20, are there any source rpms for later kernels anywhere? Should I just patch the 2.4.20-20.8 source I used to build my current kernel - if so where are the patches I should use? I tried building a kernel from the source at www.kernel.org once but wasn't too successful - can anyone point me to some tips on doing this if that's the best way forward? Many thanks for any help, Peter From ametzler at logic.univie.ac.at Wed Apr 21 08:56:11 2004 From: ametzler at logic.univie.ac.at (Andreas Metzler) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:56:11 +0200 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> Message-ID: <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> On 2004-04-21 Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > I need a 2.4.22 kernel in order to run apcupsd (http://www.apcupsd.com) > All the RedHat 8.0 kernels I can find stop at 2.4.20, are there any source > rpms for later kernels anywhere? [...] You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) cu andreas -- "See, I told you they'd listen to Reason," [SPOILER] Svfurlr fnlf, fuhggvat qbja gur juveyvat tha. Neal Stephenson in "Snow Crash" From peter at pandasys.co.uk Wed Apr 21 09:05:09 2004 From: peter at pandasys.co.uk (Peter Campion-Bye) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:05:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> Message-ID: <20251.147.62.42.119.1082538309.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) OK, so substitute 2.4.26 then, questions remain the same... Thanks From thomas at apestaart.org Wed Apr 21 09:22:33 2004 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:22:33 +0200 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20251.147.62.42.119.1082538309.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20251.147.62.42.119.1082538309.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> Message-ID: <1082539353.5201.38.camel@otto.amantes> Actually, the question becomes quite different. You could have tried your luck with building a fedora kernel src rpm (being 2.4.22) on your rh8 machine, and switch off NPTL. For 2.4.26, however, you'll have to do all the work on your own. Thomas On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 11:05, Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > OK, so substitute 2.4.26 then, questions remain the same... > Thanks > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> They say if you love somebody you have got to set them free but I would rather be locked to you than living in this pain and misery <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ From maillist at jasonlim.com Wed Apr 21 10:00:35 2004 From: maillist at jasonlim.com (Jason Lim) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 18:00:35 +0800 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net><20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org><20251.147.62.42.119.1082538309.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <1082539353.5201.38.camel@otto.amantes> Message-ID: <236301c42787$7e0a02b0$0900a8c0@SYSTEM9> > Actually, the question becomes quite different. You could have tried > your luck with building a fedora kernel src rpm (being 2.4.22) on your > rh8 machine, and switch off NPTL. For 2.4.26, however, you'll have to > do all the work on your own. Any reason to switch of NPTL? Do you mean it won't work... perhaps due to lack of library support or something else? From davej at redhat.com Wed Apr 21 10:24:05 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:24:05 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> Message-ID: <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:56:11AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > On 2004-04-21 Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > > I need a 2.4.22 kernel in order to run apcupsd (http://www.apcupsd.com) > > All the RedHat 8.0 kernels I can find stop at 2.4.20, are there any source > > rpms for later kernels anywhere? > [...] > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. Dave From mattdm at mattdm.org Wed Apr 21 13:46:18 2004 From: mattdm at mattdm.org (Matthew Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:46:18 -0400 Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040421134618.GA17362@jadzia.bu.edu> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:50:37PM +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > /dev/null * * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > /dev/null 2>&1 should do it. But this isn't the best place for this question -- better to ask stuff like this on the main Fedora list rather than the Legacy project one. -- Matthew Miller mattdm at mattdm.org Boston University Linux ------> From thomas at apestaart.org Wed Apr 21 13:54:32 2004 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:54:32 +0200 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <236301c42787$7e0a02b0$0900a8c0@SYSTEM9> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20251.147.62.42.119.1082538309.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <1082539353.5201.38.camel@otto.amantes> <236301c42787$7e0a02b0$0900a8c0@SYSTEM9> Message-ID: <1082555671.5201.42.camel@otto.amantes> On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 12:00, Jason Lim wrote: > > Actually, the question becomes quite different. You could have tried > > your luck with building a fedora kernel src rpm (being 2.4.22) on your > > rh8 machine, and switch off NPTL. For 2.4.26, however, you'll have to > > do all the work on your own. > > Any reason to switch of NPTL? Do you mean it won't work... perhaps due to > lack of library support or something else? RH8 doesn't really use NPTL, unless you have updated packages installed. Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> - There it is. Ten thousand dollars. You're not gonna count it? - Nah. - You trust me? - No. But I do kill people. <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ From maxfield at ctelcom.net Wed Apr 21 15:23:32 2004 From: maxfield at ctelcom.net (Wade Maxfield) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 10:23:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg >/dev/null 2>/dev/null On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:50:37 +0800 > From: Ow Mun Heng > Reply-To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project > > To: "Fedora-Legacy-List (E-mail)" > Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. > > Hi Guys, > > I have a cron job made for running mrtg on my adsl connection > at an interval of 1 minute apart. However, my ADSL conn is > not 24/7 turned on. So.. during the times when my PC is on, and the ASDL > isn't, cron still continues to run and since it can't find the ppp0 > connection, > it'll output the error at a rate of 1 email per minute and I end up > with a clogged inbox. > > cron > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > > I know I should add a /dev/null somewhere, I tried > > > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > /dev/null > > Both does not work. > > Cheers > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list > From kwan at digitalhermit.com Wed Apr 21 15:35:06 2004 From: kwan at digitalhermit.com (Kwan Lowe) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8390.65.244.152.2.1082561706.squirrel@www.digitalhermit.com> > > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg >/dev/null 2>/dev/null > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:50:37 +0800 >> From: Ow Mun Heng >> Reply-To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project >> >> To: "Fedora-Legacy-List (E-mail)" >> Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> I have a cron job made for running mrtg on my adsl connection >> at an interval of 1 minute apart. However, my ADSL conn is >> not 24/7 turned on. So.. during the times when my PC is on, and the ASDL >> isn't, cron still continues to run and since it can't find the ppp0 >> connection, >> it'll output the error at a rate of 1 email per minute and I end up >> with a clogged inbox. >> >> cron >> 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg >> >> I know I should add a /dev/null somewhere, I tried >> >> >> 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > /dev/null >> >> Both does not work. You can also set MAILTO in the cron script: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=3290 -- * The Digital Hermit http://www.digitalhermit.com * Unix and Linux Solutions kwan at digitalhermit.com From yodersj at earthlink.net Wed Apr 21 16:02:26 2004 From: yodersj at earthlink.net (S. Yoder) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:02:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: Red Hat 8 (and soon 9) support Message-ID: <1853334.1082563347393.JavaMail.root@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> > right - but how many of the people who still run it in production are > willing to pitch in to help fix problems when they arise? > That's the real crux of the issue. Hey, I just found out about this project yesterday. When browsing through the site today I thought "I might can help with this". I've got commercial packages that aren't supported on 9 or newer and I've been making rpms for programs that are either updated or haven't ever been built for 8 to begin with for a while now. It's no skin off my back to build or test. Stef -- mailto: yodersj at earthlink.net From ville.skytta at iki.fi Wed Apr 21 17:41:43 2004 From: ville.skytta at iki.fi (Ville =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Skytt=E4?=) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:41:43 +0300 Subject: perl-forward-compat? Message-ID: <1082569303.5301.397.camel@bobcat.mine.nu> Is there interest in including perl-forward-compat for RH 7.3 in fl.o? https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1498 http://koti.welho.com/vskytta/perl/perl-forward-compat-5.6.1-0.fdr.2.src.rpm A corresponding package was published today in fedora.us RH 8.0 and 9. Summary: - Owns dirs that should really have been owned by the perl package. - Provides perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_*) which was recently added in FC1+ (-> just rebuilding perl module packages from newer distro versions on RH 7.3 should just work(tm)) If not, I'll just get rid of the package. From dom at earth.li Wed Apr 21 22:38:39 2004 From: dom at earth.li (Dominic Hargreaves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 23:38:39 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:24:05AM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:56:11AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. I'm curious as to what the relevant patch is, as I can't find anything touching net/ipv4/ip_sockglue.c in either the FC update or the redhat 9 update. Am I missing something? Cheers, Dominic. From howen at cisco.com Wed Apr 21 23:33:11 2004 From: howen at cisco.com (Howard B Owen) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 16:33:11 -0700 Subject: New RH kernel for 9. was Re: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1082590391.26995.199.camel@quirk.cisco.com> Certainly a coincidence, but Red Hat just released a new errata kernel for Red Hat 9. It addresses an entirely different set of relatively minor problems, but I'm assuming it applies to 7.X until I can prove otherwise. On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 15:38, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:24:05AM +0100, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 10:56:11AM +0200, Andreas Metzler wrote: > > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > I'm curious as to what the relevant patch is, as I can't find anything > touching net/ipv4/ip_sockglue.c in either the FC update or the redhat 9 > update. Am I missing something? > > Cheers, > > Dominic. > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list -- Howard Owen - Linux Architect "Even if you are on the right IBM Global Services - Cisco Linux track, you'll get run over if you howen at cisco.com +1-408-853-1381 just sit there." - Will Rogers From davej at redhat.com Wed Apr 21 23:39:32 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:39:32 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20040421233932.GD31853@redhat.com> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > I'm curious as to what the relevant patch is, as I can't find anything > touching net/ipv4/ip_sockglue.c in either the FC update or the redhat 9 > update. Am I missing something? The update hasn't gone out yet. There's a number of other issues that I'm folding into the same update to save everyone multiple downloads, so this is now going out tomorrow instead. Dave From davej at redhat.com Wed Apr 21 23:40:54 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 00:40:54 +0100 Subject: New RH kernel for 9. was Re: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <1082590391.26995.199.camel@quirk.cisco.com> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> <20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> <20040421223839.GF17381@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> <1082590391.26995.199.camel@quirk.cisco.com> Message-ID: <20040421234054.GE31853@redhat.com> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 04:33:11PM -0700, Howard B Owen wrote: > Certainly a coincidence, but Red Hat just released a new errata kernel > for Red Hat 9. It addresses an entirely different set of relatively > minor problems, but I'm assuming it applies to 7.X until I can prove > otherwise. That's the delayed update for the iso9660 hole that went out for Fedora and other distros last week. It does affect 7.x / 8.0 There are also a few other minor things in there. Dave From ow.mun.heng at wdc.com Thu Apr 22 02:19:13 2004 From: ow.mun.heng at wdc.com (Ow Mun Heng) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:19:13 +0800 Subject: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: fedora-legacy-list-bounces at redhat.com > [mailto:fedora-legacy-list-bounces at redhat.com]On Behalf Of Matthew > Miller > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:46 PM > To: Discussion of the Fedora Legacy Project > Subject: Re: Output of Cron Clogging up my inbox. > > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 03:50:37PM +0800, Ow Mun Heng wrote: > > 0-59/1 * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg 2 >&1 > > /dev/null > > * * * * * root /usr/bin/mrtg /etc/mrtg/mrtg.cfg > /dev/null 2>&1 > > should do it. But this isn't the best place for this question > -- better to > ask stuff like this on the main Fedora list rather than the > Legacy project Agreed.. My Apologies once more. My Addressbook has fedora-legacy-list and fedora-list. Unfortunately, I sent it out before reliasing it. Humble apologies and thanks for the tips. From brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com Thu Apr 22 13:58:04 2004 From: brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (Brian T. Brunner) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 09:58:04 -0400 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? Message-ID: If I respond to problems like this (and usb troubles) by going to the 2.6 kernel, is there a location/URL giving a summary of what must be updated to support the 2.6 kernel? E.g. modules don't load correctly if just the kernel is updated, as modprobe and lsmod complain that QM_MODULES is not supported. (I believe I've got the 2.6 kernel configured roughly right, as I followed the configuration of previous kernels 2.4.25, 2.4.24, 2.4.22, etc.) Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> davej at redhat.com 04/21/04 07:39PM >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > I'm curious as to what the relevant patch is, as I can't find anything > touching net/ipv4/ip_sockglue.c in either the FC update or the redhat 9 > update. Am I missing something? The update hasn't gone out yet. There's a number of other issues that I'm folding into the same update to save everyone multiple downloads, so this is now going out tomorrow instead. Dave -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated From boris at folgmann.de Mon Apr 19 17:43:34 2004 From: boris at folgmann.de (Boris Folgmann) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:43:34 +0200 Subject: GIMP 2 RPM for RedHat? In-Reply-To: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> References: <200404161927.OAA13672@pongo.cs.wisc.edu> Message-ID: David Thompson schrieb: > While I think that there will be value for some going down "upgrade to > the newest version" path, I think it would be better to create a > separate path "enhancements" for such things, while keeping a "main" > path of "drop-in" fixes to existing versions. If the expertise is I've got the same opinion. With a favourite OS it should be possible to upgrade the important mostly used applications, e.g. gimp, mozilla, OpenOffice, without upgrading a bunch of libraries that may break other things. For my personal taste such application upgrades were missing during the RedHat Linux time. I hope that Fedora will be better. You get a lot more trouble when upgrading to a whole new OS release compared to the upgrade of a single application. cu, boris From stewartetcie at canada.com Tue Apr 20 20:40:10 2004 From: stewartetcie at canada.com (stewartetcie at canada.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Yet Another Reflection on Trusting Trust Message-ID: <20040420134014.23602.h008.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> The Fedora Core 2 Test 2 installer lacks a check-box at the bottom of the package selection window that was provided with previous Red Hat 9 and Fedora Core 1 releases. This check-box enables access to a second package selection window that provides fine-grained control over selection of individual packages. (The check-box also disappears from the otherwise identical Red Hat 9 and Fedora Core 1 install/remove package window.) So there's no obvious way to install, say, the Festival speech server or the EmacSpeak audio desktop (or the beta release of Gnome Speech). The FC2 Test 2 install/remove package program also lacks RPM file association that would allow users to click to install RPM packages from a Fedora CD. Curiously though, the VNC server, which permits remote control of my computer keeps getting installed even if all network servers are deselected. Since FC2 Test 2 is a test of the NSA's security enhanced Linux, a user would have to recompile the kernel to get rid SELinux. If enabled, the default security policy appears to disable such things as the Apache web server and administrative acess to the var directory, where Apache's web is located, using the Mozilla web browser. Since the updatedb command won't run, performance of the find command is suspect and help doesn't work, though the man command does. Disabling SELinux enables Apache and the updatedb command, but help still doesn't work and, though executing the rpm command works, it produces incredibly verbose complaints from the, supposedly disabled, SELinux extensions. I'm like a guy from Missouri, not entirely convinced. Linux was already pretty secure. Then IPSec was built into the 2.6 Linux kernel. But we should remember that SELinux comes from the NSA, whose mandate isn't to provide everyone with unassailable communications security, but to listen to everything, all the time, everywhere. Now here's Fedora, with the widest distribution yet seen for Linux 2.6, but the kernel must be recompiled to enable IPSec and disable SELinux. All in all, it kind of makes you go hmmm. From whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 17:46:05 2004 From: whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net (William Hooper) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Yet Another Reflection on Trusting Trust In-Reply-To: <20040420134014.23602.h008.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> References: <20040420134014.23602.h008.c009.wm@mail.canada.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: <2705.12.29.16.103.1082655965.squirrel@12.29.16.103> stewartetcie at canada.com said: > The Fedora Core 2 Test 2 Remind me again, what does this have to do with Fedora Legacy? -- William Hooper From ben at iugo.com.au Fri Apr 23 01:10:03 2004 From: ben at iugo.com.au (Ben Williams) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:40:03 +0930 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <40886CEB.2090000@iugo.com.au> Howdy, I just wanted to pass on my sincerest thanks to the people who work on fedora-legacy. I'm not sure how many of the maintainers are on this list, but it seemed like a good way to say thanks. I've recently had to install a Redhat 7.2 machine to run a set of apps that I couldn't get working on Fedora Core 1, and I feel a lot better knowing that I can keep the box updated against security problems. So thanks for all the work you're putting in, maintainers! - Ben -- Ben Williams Iugo Pty Ltd t: 08 8270 4280 m: 0407 270 143 f: 08 8219 0018 From brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com Fri Apr 23 15:44:03 2004 From: brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (Brian T. Brunner) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:44:03 -0400 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? Message-ID: To follow up on myself, the query is retracted. 2.6 kernels are sufficiently incompatible with 2.4 systems that they can't plug-n-play. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com 04/22/04 09:58AM >>> If I respond to problems like this (and usb troubles) by going to the 2.6 kernel, is there a location/URL giving a summary of what must be updated to support the 2.6 kernel? E.g. modules don't load correctly if just the kernel is updated, as modprobe and lsmod complain that QM_MODULES is not supported. (I believe I've got the 2.6 kernel configured roughly right, as I followed the configuration of previous kernels 2.4.25, 2.4.24, 2.4.22, etc.) Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> davej at redhat.com 04/21/04 07:39PM >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 11:38:39PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > I'm curious as to what the relevant patch is, as I can't find anything > touching net/ipv4/ip_sockglue.c in either the FC update or the redhat 9 > update. Am I missing something? The update hasn't gone out yet. There's a number of other issues that I'm folding into the same update to save everyone multiple downloads, so this is now going out tomorrow instead. Dave -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated From peter at pandasys.co.uk Fri Apr 23 16:43:30 2004 From: peter at pandasys.co.uk (Peter Campion-Bye) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:43:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> References: <18008.147.62.42.119.1082535701.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net><20040421085611.GA6317@downhill.at.eu.org> <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> Message-ID: <20770.192.107.26.131.1082738610.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> > > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. So are you saying that I can build a kernel from the Fedora Core 1 source and run that kernel on my RedHat 8.0 box? From dom at earth.li Fri Apr 23 16:49:25 2004 From: dom at earth.li (Dominic Hargreaves) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:49:25 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20770.192.107.26.131.1082738610.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> References: <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> <20770.192.107.26.131.1082738610.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> Message-ID: <20040423164925.GA960@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:43:30PM +0100, Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > > > > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > So are you saying that I can build a kernel from the Fedora Core 1 source > and run that kernel on my RedHat 8.0 box? You would be better off recompiling (without NPTL) the redhat 9 kernel errata, when one that addresses this point appears. This is how previous Fedora Legacy updates have been prepared. (Incidentally it seems likely that there are further security issues in 2.4.27-pre: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/debian-security-200404/msg00244.html) See also . Cheers, Dominic. From davej at redhat.com Fri Apr 23 16:49:25 2004 From: davej at redhat.com (Dave Jones) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:49:25 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: <20770.192.107.26.131.1082738610.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> References: <20040421102405.GL2465@redhat.com> <20770.192.107.26.131.1082738610.squirrel@webmail.pandasys.net> Message-ID: <20040423164925.GA4906@redhat.com> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:43:30PM +0100, Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > So are you saying that I can build a kernel from the Fedora Core 1 source > and run that kernel on my RedHat 8.0 box? I haven't tried it, but one possible problem will be nptl. Dave From brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com Fri Apr 23 18:24:24 2004 From: brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (Brian T. Brunner) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:24:24 -0400 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? Message-ID: www.kernel.org lists a 2.2.27-pre2 and a 2.4.26 but no 2.4.27-anything anywhere... what is the source of this "2.4.27" kernel? Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner at gai-tronics.com (610)796-5838 >>> dom at earth.li 04/23/04 12:49PM >>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:43:30PM +0100, Peter Campion-Bye wrote: > > > > > > You will not be interested in 2.4.22 after reading > > > http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0015-msfilter.txt ;-) > > > > Updated Fedora kernels will be out today fixing this. > > So are you saying that I can build a kernel from the Fedora Core 1 source > and run that kernel on my RedHat 8.0 box? You would be better off recompiling (without NPTL) the redhat 9 kernel errata, when one that addresses this point appears. This is how previous Fedora Legacy updates have been prepared. (Incidentally it seems likely that there are further security issues in 2.4.27-pre: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/debian-security-200404/msg00244.html) See also . Cheers, Dominic. -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. www.hubbell.com - Hubbell Incorporated From dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu Fri Apr 23 20:30:39 2004 From: dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu (David Botsch) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:30:39 -0400 Subject: Introduction & a couple of questions (kernel, openssl) Message-ID: <20040423203039.GA4381@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> Hi. First off, just wanted to introduce myself to the list. You can see who I am from my signature. I am willing to help out with testing of packages and some patching perhaps as well as things apply to RH 7.3 Moving onwards... I wanted to inquiry as to the state of the openssl packages, which seem to have been in testing for quite some time, now. I also saw, yesterday, a security kernel release for Fedora Core 1. Has anyone looked at this to see if any of these things are relevant in RH7.3? Thanks! -- ******************************** David William Botsch Consultant/Advisor II CCMR Computing Facility dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu ******************************** From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 23 20:57:31 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:57:31 -0700 Subject: Introduction & a couple of questions (kernel, openssl) In-Reply-To: <20040423203039.GA4381@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> References: <20040423203039.GA4381@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <200404231357.32429.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 23 April 2004 13:30, David Botsch wrote: > Hi. First off, just wanted to introduce myself to the list. You can > see who I am from my signature. I am willing to help out with testing > of packages and some patching perhaps as well as things apply to RH > 7.3 Welcome! > Moving onwards... > > I wanted to inquiry as to the state of the openssl packages, which > seem to have been in testing for quite some time, now. I also saw, > yesterday, a security kernel release for Fedora Core 1. Has anyone > looked at this to see if any of these things are relevant in RH7.3? OpenSSL will be released as soon as the download server is brought up in its new location. I should be sending it today. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From htodd at twofifty.com Fri Apr 23 21:33:51 2004 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Introduction & a couple of questions (kernel, openssl) In-Reply-To: <200404231357.32429.jkeating@j2solutions.net> References: <20040423203039.GA4381@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <200404231357.32429.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Jesse Keating wrote: > OpenSSL will be released as soon as the download server is brought up in > its new location. I should be sending it today. My new-to-the-list question was going to be: is cvs going to be updated on 7.3? -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE(6/86) + BSChem(3/95) + BAEnglish(8/95) + MSCS(8/03) + $2.50 = latte From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 23 21:39:19 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 14:39:19 -0700 Subject: Introduction & a couple of questions (kernel, openssl) In-Reply-To: References: <20040423203039.GA4381@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <200404231357.32429.jkeating@j2solutions.net> Message-ID: <200404231439.19379.jkeating@j2solutions.net> On Friday 23 April 2004 14:33, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > My new-to-the-list question was going to be: is cvs going to be > updated on 7.3? Most certianly. We've already done one CVS update IIRC... -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) Was I helpful? Let others know: http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=jkeating From michal at harddata.com Fri Apr 23 23:28:56 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:28:56 -0600 Subject: kernel 2.4.20-31 Message-ID: <20040423172856.A2580@mail.harddata.com> Before a corresponding "legacy" release for 2.4.20-31 kernel will be available you can recompile src.rpm from RH9 updates with the following patch to a spec file: --- kernel-2.4.spec Tue Apr 13 14:50:56 2004 +++ kernel-2.4.legacy.spec Fri Apr 23 17:14:41 2004 @@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ # that the kernel isn't the stock RHL kernel, for example by # adding some text to the end of the version number. # -%define release 31.9 +%define release 31.7.legacy %define sublevel 20 %define kversion 2.4.%{sublevel} # /usr/src/%{kslnk} -> /usr/src/linux-%{KVERREL} @@ -31,8 +31,8 @@ %define all_x86 i386 i686 i586 athlon #define all_x86 i686 i386 i586 athlon -%define nptlarchs %{all_x86} -#define nptlarchs noarch +#%define nptlarchs %{all_x86} +%define nptlarchs noarch # disable build root strip policy %define __spec_install_post /usr/lib/rpm/brp-compress || : The only thing missing here is a relevant %changelog entry. See RHSA-2004:166-01 for why you may want to do that. I am running such kernel right now without, not very surprisingly, any ill effects. I am not so sure about RH8 but something similar, or even the same, will work there too. Michal From dom at earth.li Sat Apr 24 00:26:19 2004 From: dom at earth.li (Dominic Hargreaves) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 01:26:19 +0100 Subject: 2.4.22 kernel source for RedHat 8? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040424002619.GC960@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 02:24:24PM -0400, Brian T. Brunner wrote: > > www.kernel.org lists a 2.2.27-pre2 and a 2.4.26 but no 2.4.27-anything anywhere... > what is the source of this "2.4.27" kernel? Not 2.4.27 itself, but a prerelease. See the changelog here: Cheers, Dominic. From fedora at wir-sind-cool.org Sat Apr 24 00:33:13 2004 From: fedora at wir-sind-cool.org (Michael Schwendt) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 02:33:13 +0200 Subject: kernel 2.4.20-31 In-Reply-To: <20040423172856.A2580@mail.harddata.com> References: <20040423172856.A2580@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20040424023313.71ccf61a.fedora@wir-sind-cool.org> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:28:56 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > -%define nptlarchs %{all_x86} > -#define nptlarchs noarch > +#%define nptlarchs %{all_x86} > +%define nptlarchs noarch Hint: When you want to disable %define statements in spec files, replace the % with a # and not just put the # in front of the %. In this case, that's not important though, because the second definition overrides the first one. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just copied these lines from a spec for kernel-2.4.20-30.7.legacy and did not pay attention (on a principle that it worked before so it will be fine now as well :-). Michal From Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net Sun Apr 25 09:39:03 2004 From: Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net (Axel Thimm) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 11:39:03 +0200 Subject: kernel 2.4.20-31 In-Reply-To: <20040423172856.A2580@mail.harddata.com> References: <20040423172856.A2580@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20040425093903.GA19435@neu.nirvana> On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:28:56PM -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Before a corresponding "legacy" release for 2.4.20-31 kernel will > be available you can recompile src.rpm from RH9 updates with the > following patch to a spec file: 2.4.20-31.X nptl-castrated kernels for RH8.0 and RH7.3 are available from ATrpms along with the matching kmdl (from openswan/autof4 to nvidia-graphics/alsa). http://ATrpms.net/name/kernel-redhat/ -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here is the security advisory: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-110.html -- ******************************** David William Botsch Consultant/Advisor II CCMR Computing Facility dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu ******************************** From michal at harddata.com Wed Apr 28 19:34:55 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 13:34:55 -0600 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu>; from dwb7@ccmr.cornell.edu on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:44:40PM -0400 References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:44:40PM -0400, David Botsch wrote: > It would appear that there is a security update for mozilla < 1.4.2 > > This seems to apply to RH7.3 Check a thread starting with http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-list/2004-March/msg00128.html > At the moment, I am trying to rebuild mozilla-1.4.2-2.1.0.src.html from > Red Hat Enterprise 2.1AS Sources. Not much to try. See the URL above for details how to rebuild on RH7.3. The issue apparently was shrugged off. Personally I am running on 7.3 machine mozilla-1.4.2, and a corresponding version of galeon, for well over a month. As I am not concerned at all about evolution and/or nautilus-mozilla I did not try to test how and if these are really affected. Michal From dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu Wed Apr 28 21:32:35 2004 From: dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu (David Botsch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:32:35 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com>; from michal@harddata.com on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 15:34:55 -0400 References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> Missed that thread when looking, somehow. Haven't installed, yet, but what I built built. Somehow we were already running a 1.4 rpm: mozilla-1.4-0.7.3.i386.rpm I guess it's not a good thing that fedoralegacy shrugged this off. I would have thought, at the very least, a rpm would be stuck in there either rebranded legacy or not as long as it worked under 7.3 (tho, maybe there is something in the project scope someplace on this). On 2004.04.28 15:34 Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 12:44:40PM -0400, David Botsch wrote: > > It would appear that there is a security update for mozilla < 1.4.2 > > > > This seems to apply to RH7.3 > > Check a thread starting with > > http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-legacy-list/2004-March/msg00128.html > > > At the moment, I am trying to rebuild mozilla-1.4.2-2.1.0.src.html > from > > Red Hat Enterprise 2.1AS Sources. > > Not much to try. See the URL above for details how to rebuild on > RH7.3. > > The issue apparently was shrugged off. Personally I am running > on 7.3 machine mozilla-1.4.2, and a corresponding version of galeon, > for well over a month. As I am not concerned at all about > evolution and/or nautilus-mozilla I did not try to test how and > if these are really affected. > > Michal > -- ******************************** David William Botsch Consultant/Advisor II CCMR Computing Facility dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu ******************************** From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Thu Apr 29 01:33:42 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:33:42 -0500 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting David Botsch : > I guess it's not a good thing that fedoralegacy shrugged this off. I Was it really "shrugged off", or did it just get forgotten? If you feel it is important (it should be) then file a buzilla bug report for it. -- Eric Rostetter From dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu Thu Apr 29 02:43:24 2004 From: dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu (David Botsch) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:43:24 -0400 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <20040429024324.GB2423@ccmr.cornell.edu> Sorry. Poor choice of words on my part. Forgotten is probably more approrpriate. I did notice earlier today there was no bug report, so, I'll have to register w. bugzilla, etc. If no one else has 7.3 rpms to contribute, I will be willing to submit mine. I need to see about rebuilding nautilus to see what happens there. We don't have Evolution installed here at the moment, so, that's not an issue, but, we've been thinking of adding it to our list of suppored email clients, so, maybe now is the time to play with it. So far, rebuilding the Enterpise 2.1 rpms on my 7.3 box, those rpms just built with no mods and Mozilla seems happy. On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:33:42PM -0500, Eric Rostetter wrote: > Quoting David Botsch : > > >I guess it's not a good thing that fedoralegacy shrugged this off. I > > Was it really "shrugged off", or did it just get forgotten? If you > feel it is important (it should be) then file a buzilla bug report for > it. > > -- > Eric Rostetter > > > -- > fedora-legacy-list mailing list > fedora-legacy-list at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list -- ******************************** David William Botsch Consultant/Advisor II CCMR Computing Facility dwb7 at ccmr.cornell.edu ******************************** From barryn at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 04:17:15 2004 From: barryn at pobox.com (Barry K. Nathan) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 21:17:15 -0700 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Message-ID: <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:33:42PM -0500, Eric Rostetter wrote: > Was it really "shrugged off", or did it just get forgotten? If you > feel it is important (it should be) then file a buzilla bug report for > it. I filed this because nobody else has filed a bug yet: https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 -Barry K. Nathan From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Thu Apr 29 15:21:43 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:21:43 -0500 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040429102143.lskk0okwkk484ggs@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting "Barry K. Nathan" : > I filed this because nobody else has filed a bug yet: > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 > > -Barry K. Nathan Thanks! -- Eric Rostetter From michal at harddata.com Thu Apr 29 16:37:16 2004 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:37:16 -0600 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net>; from barryn@pobox.com on Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:17:15PM -0700 References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> Message-ID: <20040429103716.A32677@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 09:17:15PM -0700, Barry K. Nathan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 08:33:42PM -0500, Eric Rostetter wrote: > > Was it really "shrugged off", or did it just get forgotten? If you > > feel it is important (it should be) then file a buzilla bug report for > > it. > > I filed this because nobody else has filed a bug yet: > https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=1532 I have not done that a month or so ago as updating mozilla would be contrary to the general policy "keep packages versions intact" (should probably be amended by an explicit "if only feasible") and I do not see how this can be followed in practice in this particular case. Hence it seemed to be prudent to discuss that be beforehand. It did not seem to generate much interest at that time. Michal From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Thu Apr 29 21:29:37 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:29:37 -0500 Subject: Mozilla 1.4.2 In-Reply-To: <20040429103716.A32677@mail.harddata.com> References: <20040428164440.GE22378@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428133455.A4771@mail.harddata.com> <20040428213235.GA583@domino.ccmr.cornell.edu> <20040428203342.mhqisko084k44kss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> <20040429041715.GA24944@ip68-4-98-123.oc.oc.cox.net> <20040429103716.A32677@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: <20040429162937.nmskhcogg80c8sss@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Michal Jaegermann : > I have not done that a month or so ago as updating mozilla would be > contrary to the general policy "keep packages versions intact" > (should probably be amended by an explicit "if only feasible") and It is, as you say, a "general policy" and it was ammended by saying we could upgrade "with community consensus" or similar. > I do not see how this can be followed in practice in this particular > case. Hence it seemed to be prudent to discuss that be beforehand. > It did not seem to generate much interest at that time. Well, you can always file a bug. The discussion that follows will determine the outcome of the bug status. > Michal -- Eric Rostetter From dmongrain at chantrynetworks.com Fri Apr 30 19:39:14 2004 From: dmongrain at chantrynetworks.com (Dan Mongrain) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:39:14 -0400 Subject: Apache/SSL security issue Message-ID: <4092AB62.9090303@chantrynetworks.com> There has been an alert issued by RedHat on 9.0 https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-182.html regarding Apache and SSL. Will there be an update to address this issue in 8.0? Thanx -- Dan Mongrain dmongrain at chantrynetworks.com Team Lead - Sustain Engineering (905) 567-6900 x269 Chantry Networks (905) 567-0099 (fax) 1900 Minnesota Court, Suite 125 Mississauga, ON L5N 3C9 It?s not that life is short, it?s that you?re dead for so long! From villegas at math.gatech.edu Fri Apr 30 22:37:21 2004 From: villegas at math.gatech.edu (Carlos Villegas) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:37:21 -0400 Subject: Self-Introduction: Carlos Villegas Message-ID: <20040430223721.GZ9662@hemi.math.gatech.edu> 1. My gpg key for fedora is under Carlos A. Villegas, my main gpg key uses both Carlos A. Villegas and Carlos Villegas 2. Atlanta, GA USA 3. System administrator 4. School of Mathematics, Georgia Institute Technology 5. Goals in fedora-legacy: - Currently I'm only interested in RHL 9, and in the near future on Fedora Core versions. - Will be able and willing to do QA on packages, as long as I have systems with those versions installed, can't promise that I'll setup UML or VMs... but I might. - I probably won't have much time, but I'll try to contribute as possible, - My main interest is in security fixes, both remote and local, and will probably work and contribute only in those. 6. Historical qualifications: - I've made minor contributions to several proyects, ranging from comments, suggestions and wishes to patches, bug reports and other such stuff, I've been mostly an observer on fedora legacy, my only contribution so far has been the first draft of the "press release" sometime in october 2003?? - I also have experience creating custom rpms for our internal use, I actually hope to contribute a few things to Fedora Core (if I have time)... - I have also written minor programs that have been released, some are lost, some are out there in use including a pam_krb5 module for mac os x. - I can program in C, shell (sh), perl if necessary, others that are probably not of much relevance (php, ...) to fedora legacy. 7. GPG KEYID and fingerprint: pub 1024D/7536BB51 2004-04-30 Carlos A. Villegas (fedora) Key fingerprint = 9839 5197 1F98 3C78 1101 1337 9C00 899C 7536 BB51 I have signed this key with my main gpg key: pub 4096R/7B1438CE 2003-06-03 Carlos Villegas Key fingerprint = 5FC5 1657 66BB A6F2 3E25 31B4 17AA 6267 7B14 38CE uid Carlos A. Villegas (Main key) This message has been signed with my newly created fedora key. Carlos PS: my apologies if these email comes twice, I sent it to the wrong email address a few minutes ago... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jkeating at j2solutions.net Fri Apr 30 22:37:02 2004 From: jkeating at j2solutions.net (Jesse Keating) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:37:02 -0700 Subject: Slashdot Message-ID: <200404301537.02900.jkeating@j2solutions.net> We have been /.'d. Feel free to participate in the comments discussion. I don't have a /. account so I don't really care to participate. 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