Suggestion for a new Download page

[Richard Morrell]

People are making this stuff FAR harder than it needs to be. There is 
already a tome of guidance online and if you can't figure it frankly you 
shouldn't be trusted with a terminal - its that basic. Yum isn't hard to 
figure nor should people using multiple RH OS's have issues between 
versions. Simply thank the FL crew smile and move on. 

After 7 yrs admin'ing some of the worlds biggest Linux networks this 
thread has caused me to bang my head on my desk at least twice today and 
thats not good on my birthday so lets put this to bed.

Dick


> 
> Partly.
> 
> For 7.x, the user has to install yum1.
> 
> For 8.0 and 9 we have the issue that one can choose to install yum1 on
> the buggy rpm that shipped with 8.0/9, or update rpm and use yum2
> because yum1 isn't compatible with the updated rpm package.
> 
> For FC releases, we can skip parts of the documentation because yum is
> already included in the official distribution.
> 
> Regarding apt I expect a single set of instructions match all supported
> distributions because it has low dependencies.
> 
> I fear that a document that provides yum information for all
> distributions will get large and complex because of many "If you have
> 7.x, do this, but if you have 8.0/9, do that" sections. Splitting it up
> into different documents makes them easier to the reader; I think we
> will come up with three docs for yum (7.x, 8.0/9, FC) and one page for
> apt.
> 
> > The "Download" page has no links to where you can get apt or yum 
> > preconfigured from (for example).
> 
> Right, because you should follow the To-be-renamed instructions that can
> be found in "Using Fedora Legacy with yum on Red Hat 7.x", if you don't
> yet have yum or apt. Please check my Download page suggestion; see
> below.
> 
> From my point of view, the Download page is only for users that (1)
> already have apt/yum installed and just want to use our repositories, or
> (2) want to manually download packages by HTTP.
> 
> > 1) A documentation page which is introductory in style and contains all 
> > the info needed for a non-expert to get started with clearly annotated 
> > links for the detailed parts.  We could even call it a HOWTO :)  The FAQ 
> > doesn't help someone trying to get set up either at the moment.
> 
> I have the very strong impression that you actually never read "Using
> Fedora Legacy with yum on Red Hat 7.x", because it is exactly what you
> want: Introductory in style, for non-expers, getting started, clearly
> annotated links, HOWTO-style.
> 
> Would please check back on this document and give a feedback if it fits
> your needs, and if not, what can be optimized to do so?
> 
> Eric, would you mind either changing the title of this document or give
> it a special marker to better reflect that Joe Average should start
> reading there?
> 
> > 2)  A download page that essentially just has links to where to download 
> > things from.
> 
> It has a link to the repository, and it should provide repository
> configuration examples in the future. As "Installing apt/yum" is not
> equivalent with "Using Fedora Legacy", I would not simply give links to
> download yum/apt to prevent users having the impression that installing
> these RPMs would "make their system use Fedora Legacy", which really
> isn't the case.
> 
> I have created an update for the "Download" page that hopefully
> integrates the results of the ongoing discussion:
> 
> http://jonaspasche.de/fedoralegacy/download.html
> 
> Raphael, can you please comment on this? Your input is very valuable; it
> would be good to know if this page answers your question in a better way
> than the existing page. Any other list members, please feel free to give
> feedback as well.
> 
> Thanks for all your help!
> 
> Jonas
>