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Zafer Leylek
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Tue Dec 2 07:13:20 UTC 2003
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>Today's Topics:
>
> 1. RE: bind update and kernel update? (Ow Mun Heng)
> 2. Re: PCMCIA NIC (Michael P. Soulier)
> 3. Re: Yum or Apt??? (Tom Diehl)
> 4. Install problems (Jeffrey Siegel)
> 5. RE: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (Rodolfo J. Paiz)
> 6. CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23] (Ow Mun
>Heng)
> 7. RE: bind update and kernel update? (fedora)
> 8. funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Scott Garrison)
> 9. Re: bind update and kernel update? (fedora)
> 10. Re: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23] (Xose
>Vazquez Perez)
> 11. Re: Boot configuration (Matthew Saltzman)
> 12. Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Wolfgang Gill)
> 13. Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora (Mario Zuppini)
> 14. Re: bind update and kernel update? (Robert L Cochran)
> 15. Re: PCMCIA NIC (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
> 16. Has anybody had any problem mod-probing pcmcia_core.o on kernel
> 2.4.23? (Benjamin Arai)
> 17. installing packages omitted from initial install (Don)
> 18. wow ask and ye shall recieve (fedora)
> 19. Re: wow ask and ye shall recieve (Bill Nottingham)
> 20. Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (J.B.
>Nicholson-Owens)
> 21. Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux (M.Hockings)
> 22. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Iain Buchanan)
> 23. Re: Install problems (Clifford Snow)
> 24. Re: Install problems (WA9ALS - John)
> 25. Building your own rpm/apt/yum repository (Clif Smith)
> 26. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Don)
> 27. Re: less and LESSCHARSET=latin1 and scandinavian chars are & (Gordon
>Messmer)
> 28. Re: PCMCIA NIC (John McBride)
> 29. Re: Install problems (Robert L Cochran)
> 30. Re: installing packages omitted from initial install (Iain Buchanan)
> 31. Re: Solution to pine/pico install, libcom_err.so.3 dependency
>(Gordon Messmer)
>
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>Message: 1
>Subject: RE: bind update and kernel update?
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:54:34 +0800
>From: "Ow Mun Heng" <ow.mun.heng at wdc.com>
>To: <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Jones [mailto:davej at redhat.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 9:43 AM
> > To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 01:30, Joshua Penix wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to see a kernel with the do_brk() patch, but
> > 2.4.23 only
> > > came out a few days ago, not in September.
> >
> > FC1 isn't vulnerable. RHL 7/8/9 kernels will be coming soon.
>
>Hmm... is the fix done on the 2.4.23 kernel already..
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:57:41 -0500
>From: "Michael P. Soulier" <michael_soulier at mitel.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
>Organization: Mitel Networks Corporation
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
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>On 30/11/03 David C. Hart did say:
>
> > Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?
>
> Yup. I'm using a LinkSys 10/100 card that uses the tulip driver, and
>works fine.
>
> Mike
>
>--=20
>Michael P. Soulier <michael_soulier at mitel.com>, 613-592-2122 x2522
>6000/6010/60* Development, Mitel Networks Corporation
>"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of
>nerd-li=
>ke
>effort." -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix
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>Message: 3
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:01:02 -0500 (EST)
>From: Tom Diehl <tdiehl at rogueind.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Yum or Apt???
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Rafael Fernandez wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I would really like to know which is better, yum or apt? Which is the
> > advantage of the best over the other?
>
>Please just pick one and try it for yourself. If you cannot make up your
>mind
>you could try reverse alphabetical order. OTOH you could try alphabetical
>order.
>
>If you figure out this one you could try to solve the eternal vi or emacs
>problem.
>
>Both of these depend on your religion. :-))
>
>...............Tom
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 21:03:23 -0500
>From: Jeffrey Siegel <freaky at optonline.net>
>Subject: Install problems
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
>I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a
>window
>showing me the cd and does nothing.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 5
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:06:06 -0600
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com, <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz at simpaticus.com>
>Subject: RE: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>At 12:59 12/1/2003, Don wrote:
> >The machine is a Pentium 60MHz, 96 Meg RAM, CD-ROM drive (non-bootable)
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >I think this is a good example of how a really obsolete piece of hardware
> >can have a few more miles squeezed out of it. :-)
> >
> >I wish I could get X installed on it properly though so I could run an
> >X-Windows session from one of my other machines.... I don't see why that
> >shouldn't work. I'll have to add that to my to-do list.
>
>Probably already done for you:
>
>http://www.rule-project.org
>
>How to use Red Hat CD's and a custom installer to put recent versions of
>RHL (soon Fedora) onto hardware which otherwise would be considered too old
>to support it. Successful installs of RHL 8.0 systems using their installer
>were documented using 486 computers and 8 MB of RAM... your P/60 will do
>just fine and likely have a working GUI as well.
>
>
>--
>Rodolfo J. Paiz
>rpaiz at simpaticus.com
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Subject: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23]
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:07:23 +0800
>From: "Ow Mun Heng" <ow.mun.heng at wdc.com>
>To: <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Warren Togami [mailto:warren at togami.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:10 PM
> > To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> > Subject: RE: kernel 2.4.23
> >
> > -ac kernels contain a lot of add-ons that have not yet been
> > merged into
> > the vanilla kernel. Often you will find -ac technology in the latest
> > Red Hat or Fedora kernel. For that reason I believe cpufreq
> > is in FC1's
> > kernel.
>
>Since Alan Cox is busy with some _other_ stuffs, and the last -ac series
>was
>the 2.4.22-ac4, and I wanted the New "Laptop_mode" I did some hacking of my
>own.
>
>So.. Here's the patch for cpufreq (taken from a site in
>http://ftp.linuk.org.uk) against the vanilla 2.4.23 kernel (taken from
>http://kernel.org) (why is it called vanilla.. why can't it be
>rum-&-raisin?? yumm)
>
>I've tested it on my Laptop and CPUFreq compiled in without any problems
>and
>I'm using it. (NO extensive testing. I just made the patch like yesterday
>_night_. It was a long night...)
>
>So.. I guess now, I have the best of both...CPUfreq and Laptop_mode
>support.. Yeh!!!
>(I'm Very proud of myself my very 1st patch and my very 1st contribution to
>the Linux community.. So.. let me boast it out a bit okay???)
>
>if anyone wants this as an attachment.. Drop me a email
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:08:23 -0600 (CST)
>From: fedora <fedora at packetstorm.org>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: RE: bind update and kernel update?
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2003, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>
> > > > I would like to see a kernel with the do_brk() patch, but
> > > 2.4.23 only
> > > > came out a few days ago, not in September.
>
>well the patch file is saw listed september 12 06:44:06 2003
>1.31/mm/mmap.c to a 1.32/mm/mmap.c dated Oct 02 01:18:19 2003
>
>So the kernel may not have been released officially but the patch shows it
>was known and fixed in the sources.
>
>Now don't get me wrong, I like all the work from RH and Ive used 7,8,9 and
>now Fedora. Im just curious as to why something in the changelog for the
>kernel that was security related didnt make it into a backport.
>
> > >
> > > FC1 isn't vulnerable. RHL 7/8/9 kernels will be coming soon.
> >
>
>Ah thanks!
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:26:10 -0500
>Subject: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
>From: Scott Garrison <sgarrison at unc.edu>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6). Runs great, including
>VNC now, etc.
>
>I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't seem
>to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):
>
>After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
>powersave mode. The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
>funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the fans
>are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the console or
>remotely (e.g. via ssh).
>
>When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
>back on, etc.. I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State this
>weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode on me
>every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in Michigan).
>
>Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!
>
>--SG
>
>*********************************************
>Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
>Adjunct Faculty
>School of Information and Library Science
>University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
>e: sgarrison at unc.edu
>v: 989.400.3463
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:23:01 -0600 (CST)
>From: fedora <fedora at packetstorm.org>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> > For BIND 8, yes. Fedora Core ships with BIND 9. Unless you're
> > talking about a different fix from last week.
>
>
>Ah yeah thats a good point on why I havent seen a patch. :) Ive got a few
>customers on Sparcs forced to still run the 8.x branch due to some
>internal dependencies and i already recompiled from sources and fixed
>them. For some reason I thought it was all versions of bind, thanks for
>the clarification on that. Since bind 9 ships with Rh theres no wonder
>theres not a fix for RH for bind 8 :)
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 10
>Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:38:54 +0100
>From: Xose Vazquez Perez <xose at wanadoo.es>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: CPUFreq patch for kernel 2.4.23[ Was RE: kernel 2.4.23]
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>
> > Since Alan Cox is busy with some _other_ stuffs, and the last -ac series
>was
> > the 2.4.22-ac4, and I wanted the New "Laptop_mode" I did some hacking of
>my
> > own.
>
>now, -ac kernel is called -pac, and it's maintained by bero. Get latest
>reelease
>from: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/bero/2.4/2.4.23/
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:50:47 -0500 (EST)
>From: Matthew Saltzman <mjs at ces.clemson.edu>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Boot configuration
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, [iso-8859-1] Arturo Duran wrote:
>
> > About GRUB on a place other than the MBR, it may
> > indeed be installed elsewhere...
>
>Yes, I've had it installed in a primary partition (/boot) before. This is
>necessary with the S2D partition, because the S2D function apparently
>modifies the MBR. That's always worked fine.
>
> >
> > As to how to use it there, I've never done it:
>
>You just mark that partition as "active" with fdisk.
>
>My concern is that it might not work the same in the extended partition
>or a logical one. It seemed plausible that a logical partition might not
>be locatable by the BIOS boot loader, or that the extended partition could
>not be marked active for some reason.
>
> > hopefully an answer by someone else in this list will
> > help
>
>Hope so. You're the only respondent so far.
>
>Thanks!
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Arturo Duran
> >
>
>--
> Matthew Saltzman
>
>Clemson University Math Sciences
>mjs AT clemson DOT edu
>http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>From: "Wolfgang Gill" <wolfgang at rpi.net.au>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
>Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:51:21 +1000
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>---------- Original Message -----------
>From: Scott Garrison <sgarrison at unc.edu>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Sent: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:26:10 -0500
>Subject: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
>
> > I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6). Runs great,
> > including VNC now, etc.
> >
> > I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't
> > seem to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):
> >
> > After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
> > powersave mode. The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
> > funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the
> > fans are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the
> > console or remotely (e.g. via ssh).
> >
> > When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
> > back on, etc.. I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State
> > this weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode
> > on me every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in
> > Michigan).
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!
> >
> > --SG
> >
> > *********************************************
> > Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
> > Adjunct Faculty
> > School of Information and Library Science
> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> > e: sgarrison at unc.edu
> > v: 989.400.3463
>
>------- End of Original Message -------
>
>Sounds like a BIOS setting is over riding the Linux settings. You may need
>to
>disable this function in the BIOS.
>
>Wolf
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 13
>Subject: Re: funny powersave kind of thing with Fedora
>From: Mario Zuppini <mario at mariosloveshack.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: 02 Dec 2003 12:55:27 +1000
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Im assuming that you have gone through your BIOS APM section to check
>what its default power management settings are configured too ???
>
>if not , might be worth a look
>
>On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 12:26, Scott Garrison wrote:
> > I'm running FC 1 on an old IBM Aptiva (AMD K6). Runs great, including
> > VNC now, etc.
> >
> > I must've done something to cause the following problem, but can't seem
> > to resolve it myself (have turned off apmd, doesn't fix it):
> >
> > After 30 minutes of inactivity, my system goes into some kind of
> > powersave mode. The monitor goes into standby, and the CPU does a
> > funny 'half shutdown' where the powerlight blinks on and off, the fans
> > are still running, but the system is unresponsive at the console or
> > remotely (e.g. via ssh).
> >
> > When I press the power switch, it comes back to life--monitor comes
> > back on, etc.. I'm taking this system to be hosted at Ohio State this
> > weekend, so naturally, I need it not to go into this weird mode on me
> > every 30 minutes (me sitting at my VNC and ssh client in Michigan).
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any suggestions you might have!
> >
> > --SG
> >
> > *********************************************
> > Scott Garrison, M.L.S.
> > Adjunct Faculty
> > School of Information and Library Science
> > University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> > e: sgarrison at unc.edu
> > v: 989.400.3463
> >
> >
> > --
> > fedora-list mailing list
> > fedora-list at redhat.com
> > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> >
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:02:47 -0500
>From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb at speakeasy.net>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: bind update and kernel update?
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Administration is very tricky.
>
>Bob
>
>
>fedora wrote:
>
> >>For BIND 8, yes. Fedora Core ships with BIND 9. Unless you're
> >>talking about a different fix from last week.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah yeah thats a good point on why I havent seen a patch. :) Ive got a
>few
> > customers on Sparcs forced to still run the 8.x branch due to some
> > internal dependencies and i already recompiled from sources and fixed
> > them. For some reason I thought it was all versions of bind, thanks for
> > the clarification on that. Since bind 9 ships with Rh theres no wonder
> > theres not a fix for RH for bind 8 :)
> >
> > -Greg
> >
> >
> > --
> > fedora-list mailing list
> > fedora-list at redhat.com
> > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> >
> >
>
>--
>Bob Cochran
>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:25:31 -0600
>To: Fedora-List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
>From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>David C. Hart wrote:
> > Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?
>
>Yes. The 3Com Megahertz 10/100 LAN CardBus model 3CXFE575BT. The one I'm
>looking at right now has an XJack connector (a pop-out device you plug in
>an
>ethernet cable into). No additional cables or dongles required.
>
>It'll cost you about $18 shipped from Micronet Networking in San Francisco
>(see http://micronetxp.com), according to Pricewatch (search for "3com
>3CXFE575BT").
>
>I have no idea what driver it uses but it works perfectly in Red Hat 9
>GNU/Linux, so I'm guessing it will work just as well in Fedora Core 1
>GNU/Linux. For less than you probably paid for lunch today, you could just
>buy one and try it.
>
>I don't work for any of the companies just mentioned. I'm just trying to
>be
>helpful.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 16
>Subject: Has anybody had any problem mod-probing pcmcia_core.o on kernel
> 2.4.23?
>From: Benjamin Arai <benjamin at araisoft.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Organization: Araisoft Corp.
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:26:52 -0800
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
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>I made the kernel.
>Copied the System-map, bzImage, vmlinux to /boot. I also created the
>initrd images:
>mktinitrd initrd-2.4.23.img 2.4.23.
>
>Whe I rebooted everything seemed to work and pcmcia said [ OK ] on boot
>but when I try to modprobe pcmcia_core.o it says it cannot find it.
>
>--
>Benjamin Arai <benjamin at araisoft.com>
>Araisoft Corp.
>
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>I made the kernel.<BR>
>Copied the System-map, bzImage, vmlinux to /boot. I also created the
>initrd images:<BR>
>mktinitrd initrd-2.4.23.img 2.4.23.<BR>
><BR>
>Whe I rebooted everything seemed to work and pcmcia said [ OK ] on boot but
>when I try to modprobe pcmcia_core.o it says it cannot find it. <BR>
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>-- <BR>
>Benjamin Arai <<A
>HREF="mailto:benjamin at araisoft.com"><U>benjamin at araisoft.com</U></A>><BR>
>Araisoft Corp.
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>Message: 17
>Subject: installing packages omitted from initial install
>From: Don <dnrlinux at san.rr.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:49 -0800
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>I installed FC1 as a text install, via ftp. I thought I selected
>"install everything", but now I go to install a program and it says no
>compiler is available etc.
>
>I can ssh to the machine and use the cli (root as required), but I don't
>know what commands to use to get it to install more things.
>
>I know the ftp site (it's one of my servers) so that's not a problem...
>but what I'd really like is if I can just install everything that's
>missing....
>
>Any suggestions for how to do that via cli?
>
>Thanks,
>Don
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 18
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:35:00 -0600 (CST)
>From: fedora <fedora at packetstorm.org>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: wow ask and ye shall recieve
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
>earlier i was asking about the kernel updates. just checked and the
>updates are there now for RH (for those still migrating).
>
>Looks like ill be loading these onto the lab images for the next bit and
>let the systems 'burn-in' overnight before scheduling outages.
>
>thanks for the great work,
>
>-Greg
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 19
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:00:30 -0500
>From: Bill Nottingham <notting at redhat.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: wow ask and ye shall recieve
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>fedora (fedora at packetstorm.org) said:
> > earlier i was asking about the kernel updates. just checked and the
> > updates are there now for RH (for those still migrating).
>
>The fedora updates are not for the do_brk() bug; that was already
>fixed in the release kernel; this is various other fixes, including
>the 440GX interrout routing fix.
>
>Bill
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 20
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:52:00 -0600
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
>From: jbn at forestfield.org (J.B. Nicholson-Owens)
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Matthew Zimmerman wrote:
> > Yeah, it seems that the most critical issue is the amount of memory,
> > especially running XFree86 + GNOME or KDE. I have an old Celeron 500
>MHz,
> > 10 GB disk, integrated (i810) audio and video, and the only thing I
> > had to do to get it running FC1 quite useably was upgrading the memory
> > to 192 MB (from 64 MB).
>
>There's a US$77 Dell computer with similar specs on ComputerGeeks.com right
>now. It has a 500MHz Intel Celeron and comes with 128MB RAM and a 6GB hard
>drive. It can hold 512MB max RAM and (after a BIOS update, still available
>at Dell) you could put in a larger hard drive. At $77 for the computer,
>each 256MB RAM stick costs roughly as much as the machine. I'm considering
>buying one, maxing out the RAM and loading FC1 on it for a relative of
>mine.
>
>The weakest part of that machine is its lack of AGP port and weak video
>hardware (with the built-in video hardware you only get 24-bit color at
>800x600). Adding some older PCI videocard should fix the video problems
>and
>cost roughly $20 more. It has built-in sound hardware and a built-in NIC
>too. I hope these work well with FC1.
>
>I searched around and found a retailer who will sell a 1.1GHz Pentium III
>CPU replacement that is said to be a drop-in replacement for the Celeron.
>
>If anyone has tried these machines, I'd appreciate an e-mail on how well
>they work with any recent GNU/Linux distribution.
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 21
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:09:06 -0500
>From: "M.Hockings" <veeshooter at hockings.net>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Minimum system to support RedHat Fedora Linux
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>David L Norris wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 2003-11-30 at 21:02, Jim Taylor wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I live in a rural area and am getting people interested in Linux. We're
> >>thinking of starting up a Linux club, and I'd like to know of the
> >>experiences of others in sizing a system to run Fedora -- that is, the
> >>LOW END starter system suitable for a start-up Linux club.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Depends on the use of the computer. Epiphany, Evolution, Gnumeric,
> >Abiword, and similar lightweight programs work well on slow machines.
> >Large programs like OpenOffice and Mozilla would not work so well on a
> >slow system.
> >
> >I think some work needs to be done on the package sets and dependencies
> >in Fedora Core. None of the provided packages sets (Personal,
> >Workstation, etc) work well as a desktop on older hardware.
> >
> >I've managed to build my own custom install CD with only a basic system
> >and GNOME. The install CD is about 355 MB. It consumes 1 GB of hard
> >disk space after install. Once installed you can add any additional
> >software you need from the full 3 CD set or the YUM repositories. This
> >system is running GNOME and various office applications very well on a
> >Compaq Deskpro 75 MHz with 64 MB RAM. Also, F10 at the graphical login
> >screen will allow me to open the XDMCP host chooser and login to a
> >faster machine over the LAN using the P75 as a dumb X display.
> >
> >
> >
> >>I was thinking of:
> >>-motherboard with 2xUSB, serial port(s), and whatever else comes with
> >>motherboards these days (low end) like integrated 10/100 Ethernet
> >>- AMD processor, 700 MHZ (that seems to be the low-end in the shop I
> >>visited)
> >>- graphics adapter (2D graphics, maybe "gee-whiz gaming graphics" ?)
> >>- 30GB hard drive
> >>- basic tower case, 200 to 300 watt power supply, not-too-noisy fan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That would be a wonderful system, I think. Especially if you take the
> >time to remove/disable all services you don't need. Removing unused
> >services (sendmail, etc) from the default install will greatly reduce
> >the RAM requirements.
> >
>David,
>
>Where can I read about the steps that required to make the reduced
>install CD. That sounds like something I'd like to set up.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Mike
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 22
>Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
>From: Iain Buchanan <iain at pcorp.com.au>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:41:27 +0930
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
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>On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 13:03, Don wrote:
> > I installed FC1 as a text install, via ftp. I thought I selected
> > "install everything", but now I go to install a program and it says no
> > compiler is available etc.
>[snip]
> > I know the ftp site (it's one of my servers) so that's not a problem...
> > but what I'd really like is if I can just install everything that's
> > missing....
>
>The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
>option, and then select everything.
>
>Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing
>around to get it right:
>
>If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms
>(which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can just
>
>cd <wherever>
>rpm -Uvh *rpm
>
>and _every_ rpm in that directory will be installed if not so already.=20
>This can also be used to update rpms. Be careful with rpms that are
>compiled for multiple archs, and kernel rpms. Do these first. You
>should probably do somethimg more like
>
>rpm -Uvh [^k]*i686.rpm
>then all the k*rpm that aren't kernel ones, then
>rpm -Uvh [^k]*i386.rpm
>
>(Conversely, to only update rpms that have previously been installed,
>use `rpm -Fvh *rpm`)
>
>HTH,
>--=20
>Iain Buchanan <iain at pcorp.nospam.com.au>
>
>Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only
>specification is that it should run noiselessly.
>
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>Message: 23
>Subject: Re: Install problems
>From: Clifford Snow <glass-art at comcast.net>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:28:13 -0800
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
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>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 18:03, Jeffrey Siegel wrote:
> > I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a
>win=
>dow
> > showing me the cd and does nothing.
>
>You didn't give us much information to go on. Are you trying to upgrade
>an existing Redhat system? Are you trying to install Fedora over
>MSWindows? =20
>
>If it is an upgrade, you should consider a fresh install. But to just
>upgrade, insert disc 1 and reboot the system. It will prompt you.=20
>(Your system needs to be able to boot from a CD, if not you will need to
>create a boot floppy.)
>
>If this is an MSWindows system, you can also just insert disc 1 and
>follow the prompts and Fedora will reformat your HD giving you a fresh
>install.
>
>You best bet is to give us a better explanation of what you are trying
>to accomplish.
>
>Clifford
>
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>
>Message: 24
>From: "WA9ALS - John" <wa9als at starband.net>
>To: <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>Subject: Re: Install problems
>Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:30:28 -0500
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>You need to boot from that cdrom.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jeffrey Siegel" <freaky at optonline.net>
>To: <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:03 PM
>Subject: Install problems
>
>
> >
> > I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a
>window
> > showing me the cd and does nothing.
> >
> >
> > --
> > fedora-list mailing list
> > fedora-list at redhat.com
> > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 25
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 22:31:47 -0600
>From: Clif Smith <fedora at cjs226.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Building your own rpm/apt/yum repository
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>As usual, I'm probably over-complicating the issue...
>
>Here's my dilemma. I need to QA software against various versions of my
>own company's software. Being that the versions come out at different
>times, I need to be able to build system1 with all updates as of
>software version1's release and then build system2 with all updates as
>of software version2's release. While I could image/clone/ghost/etc.
>systems various ways, I'd rather be able to build from scratch if needed
>as I get newer hardware from time to time which makes having a constant
>image a hassle.
>
>So, I'm thinking of magical apt/yum repositories which I could call on
>to do the heavy lifting. I'm assuming apt or yum as they'll handle the
>various dependencies so that everything is installed in the right order
>without a lot of trial and error.
>
>Ideas?
>
>cjs
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 26
>Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
>From: Don <dnrlinux at san.rr.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:38:42 -0800
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:11, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
> > The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
> > option, and then select everything.
>
>I tried that and get this error:
>[root at rocky root]# redhat-config-packages --tree
>Unable to import gtk module. This may be due to running without
>$DISPLAY set. Exception was:
>could not open display
>Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "/usr/share/redhat-config-packages/MainWindow.py", line 11, in ?
> sys.exit(0)
>NameError: name 'sys' is not defined
>
>
>I never did get X installed on that system... I use ssh to come in from
>another (bigger/faster/more capable) machine.
>
>
> > Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing
> > around to get it right:
> >
> > If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms
> > (which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can just
> >
>
>That sounds cool, but I don't know how to do that. The ftp server is on
>a Win2000 machine..... I'm working toward an all-linux set up, but
>that's anothr story.
>
> > cd <wherever>
> > rpm -Uvh *rpm
>
>That sounds the simplest.... all I need now is to learn how to mount a
>windows folder over the network.... Ill see what I can find ...
>
>Thanks,
>Don
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 27
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:48:39 -0800
>From: Gordon Messmer <yinyang at eburg.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: less and LESSCHARSET=latin1 and scandinavian chars are &
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > Jani Ollikainen wrote:
> >
> >> Hate those translations, and i don't think that utf-8 is here atm.
> >
> > And why do you think that? Based on your own experience, I'd say that
> > locale-specific encodings are "here" atm. UTF-8 is the one true path.
>
>I meant "are not 'here'", of course.
>
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 28
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:34:23 -0800
>From: John McBride <jmcbride at ccis.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: PCMCIA NIC
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> > On 30/11/03 David C. Hart did say:
> >
> >
> >>Does anyone have a cardbus PCMCIA NIC that actually WORKS?
> >
> >
>be warned my NetGear FA511 10/100 PCMCIA network card worked fine in RH9
>but failed miserably in FC1. This was due to some kind of problem in the
>graphical boot sequence. the workarounds are one of the following:
>
>1) reinsert the card after boot to get it working,
>2) or set "GRAPHICAL=no" in /etc/sysconfig/init,
>3) or apply the patch listed in the bugzilla entry (search for it).
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 29
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 23:51:44 -0500
>From: Robert L Cochran <cochranb at speakeasy.net>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Install problems
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Put the CD in the drive again. When the window opens, read the file
>README. Note that it mentions a web site and gives some quick
>installation-related suggestions. Then head to the web site. There you
>will find help for installing Fedora Core. Be sure to read the file
>RELEASE-NOTES.html as well. Read from the start and finish at the end of
>the file.
>
>Your best bet with installing any Linux distro is to read the
>documentation first.
>
>Bob
>
>Jeffrey Siegel wrote:
>
> > I'm running on an hp p3, when I insert the iso disk 1 it just opens a
>window
> > showing me the cd and does nothing.
> >
> >
> > --
> > fedora-list mailing list
> > fedora-list at redhat.com
> > To unsubscribe: http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
> >
> >
>
>--
>Bob Cochran
>Greenbelt, Maryland, USA
>http://greenbeltcomputer.biz/
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 30
>Subject: Re: installing packages omitted from initial install
>From: Iain Buchanan <iain at pcorp.com.au>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:22:26 +0930
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
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>On Tue, 2003-12-02 at 14:08, Don wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-12-01 at 20:11, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> >=20
> > > The easiest way would be to use redhat-config-packages with the --tree
> > > option, and then select everything.
> >=20
> > I tried that and get this error:
>[snip]
> > I never did get X installed on that system... I use ssh to come in from
> > another (bigger/faster/more capable) machine.
>
>Ah, yes. That a graphical program, so it will only work with X.
>
> > > Alternatively, you could do it by hand, which requires some playing
> > > around to get it right:
> > >=20
> > > If you can somehow mount the install directory containing the rpms
> > > (which should be easy if its one of yours, eg by nfs) then you can
>just
> >=20
> > That sounds cool, but I don't know how to do that. The ftp server is on
> > a Win2000 machine..... I'm working toward an all-linux set up, but
> > that's anothr story.
> >=20
> > > cd <wherever>
> > > rpm -Uvh *rpm
> >=20
> > That sounds the simplest.... all I need now is to learn how to mount a
> > windows folder over the network.... Ill see what I can find ...
>
>If you have physical access to the machine, you could insert the cd's
>into the drive, and cd (change directory) to each cd (compact disc :)
>one by one. This may leave some dependacy problems across cd's so
>alternatively you could copy all rpms to a temporary folder, and do it
>that way.
>
>Thinking about it a bit more, you can copy them via ftp to a local
>folder, and then do the rpm thing.
>
>HTH,
>--=20
>Iain Buchanan <iain at pcorp.nospam.com.au>
>
>Thus spake the master programmer:
> "Time for you to leave."
> -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"
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>Message: 31
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 20:58:18 -0800
>From: Gordon Messmer <yinyang at eburg.com>
>To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>Subject: Re: Solution to pine/pico install, libcom_err.so.3 dependency
>Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>Nejaa Halcyon wrote:
> > So would my origional solution (recompiling every piece of software that
> > needs libcom_err.so.3) be the only "stable" solution?
>
>Yes, that's correct. You either must recompile each application so that
>it no longer requires the missing library. You actually have the option
>of installing the old kerberos libraries in an application specific
>location (perhaps /opt/kerberos-rhl9/) and use LD_LIBRARY_PATH to make
>sure that they're used:
>
>env LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/kerberos-rhl9/lib ./pine
>
>However, this solution can be much more complicated to get right. In
>this instance, if I have this right (and I may not, I'm only discussing
>this for completeness, and not to encourage you to actually do this),
>you'd need all of the old krb5 libs in that directory, not just
>libcom_err.so.3.
>
>While pine would load fine with just libcom_err.so.3 in the special
>library path, kbr5's libs (from Fedora, this time) would also load in
>libcom_err.so.2. Symbol resolution would be unreliable; sometimes pine
>would work fine because the symbols in Fedora's krb5 libs would be
>resolved correctly to those from libcom_err.so.2, and sometimes pine
>would crash when using Kerberos because the symbols would be resolved to
>those from libcom_err.so.3.
>
>
>
>
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