raise window on-click

[Karl DeBisschop]

> Subject: re: raise window on-click
> From: Ben Steeves <bcs at metacon.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:59 -0400
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> 
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:31, Ryan Daly wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 20:15, Ben Steeves wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:09, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > > I can't find out how to make a mouse click (other than on the title bar)
> > > > raise the window.  It "used to" happen in Shrike, but I can't remember
> > > > if I did something in particular for that behaviour.  My "window
> > > > preferences" are simply 'select on mouse-over'.  Is it still possible?
> > 
> > This was an issue some time ago.  See, default Unix window manager
> > behavior usually dictates that a click in the window itself does *not*
> > raise the window.  However, this was the default behavior in Gnome for
> > quite some time, until numerous people started complaining and filed a
> > bug report to get the action changed to the way it should be.
> > 
> > To get the action of clicking in a window to raise it, one should use
> > click-to-focus, not focus-follows-mouse.  Focus-follows-mouse mode now
> > only raises the window when clicking the border.
> 
> Argh, what a terrible change from a usability point of view.  I know
> this is common in old X window managers (is there really such thing as a
> "default" UNIX window manager? :-), but just 'cos that's the way it was
> always done doesn't make it right.  
> 
> At the very least it should be an option.  Click-to-focus isn't the same
> behaviour because the click that focuses also raises.  I *hate* that.  I
> want to have the rear window have focus without coming to the front, and
> without fancy combinations of clicking and alt-tabbing around.

I hate it too.

I tend to like the Gnome apps, but the window manager seems to be
getting more windows-like and less useful each iteration.

After 2 or more years of Gnome, I ended up switching to xfce to get
better performance. And I found that the windows are finally 'sane'
again. I thought after 2 years I had trained myself away from opening a
small xterm in the middle of a big emacs window, and cut-and-pasting
from xterm to emacs. But I hadn't gone more than a couple of hours
before I did exactly that and realize just how sorely I had missed this
behavior.

-- 
Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com>
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