fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #359 - 25 msgs
Justin P. Steiger
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Tue Nov 25 13:43:05 UTC 2003
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: raise window on-click (Karl DeBisschop)
> 2. Re: NVIDIA driver compile (Brian Fahrlander)
> 3. Re: raise window on-click (Rob Park)
> 4. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs (Karl DeBisschop)
> 5. SV: toggling between graphic and text mode (Paolo Nesti Poggi)
> 6. Re: raise window on-click (Rob Park)
> 7. Re: Whom should I put my trust? (Axel Thimm)
> 8. Re: Wine serious problem (William Penton)
> 9. Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs (Rob Park)
> 10. Re: Updated RPM - flash-plugin-6.0.79-2 (Warren Togami)
> 11. Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1 (Warren Togami)
> 12. Re: alsa on fedora (Emmanuel Seyman)
> 13. Re: Obtaining a 2.6 kernel? (Felipe Alfaro Solana)
> 14. Re: Fedora - A Step Forward or Backward? (Emmanuel Seyman)
> 15. Re: inspiron8500 (Ben Stringer)
> 16. Re: The Fedora Core release notes suck! (T. Ribbrock)
> 17. Where's the hardware compatibility list? (Jeroen Lankheet)
> 18. Re: NVIDIA driver compile (Peter Kiem)
> 19. Re: Where's the hardware compatibility list? (Warren Togami)
> 20. Re: Obtaining a 2.6 kernel? (Nick Wilson)
> 21. Re: VMWare (fwd) (Tommy Tovbin)
> 22. Re: The Fedora Core release notes suck! (Robert P. J. Day)
> 23. Re: Fedora - A Step Forward or Backward? (David L Norris)
> 24. Re: raise window on-click (Joshua Penix)
> 25. Re: Fedora - A Step Forward or Backward? (David L Norris)
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> Message: 1
> Subject: Re: raise window on-click
> From: Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:44:34 -0500
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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> > Subject: re: raise window on-click
> > From: Ben Steeves <bcs at metacon.ca>
> > To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:55:59 -0400
> > Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> >=20
> > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:31, Ryan Daly wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 20:15, Ben Steeves wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 21:09, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > > > I can't find out how to make a mouse click (other than on the title=
> bar)
> > > > > raise the window. It "used to" happen in Shrike, but I can't remem=
> ber
> > > > > if I did something in particular for that behaviour. My "window
> > > > > preferences" are simply 'select on mouse-over'. Is it still possib=
> le?
> > >=20
> > > This was an issue some time ago. See, default Unix window manager
> > > behavior usually dictates that a click in the window itself does *not*
> > > raise the window. However, this was the default behavior in Gnome for
> > > quite some time, until numerous people started complaining and filed a
> > > bug report to get the action changed to the way it should be.
> > >=20
> > > To get the action of clicking in a window to raise it, one should use
> > > click-to-focus, not focus-follows-mouse. Focus-follows-mouse mode now
> > > only raises the window when clicking the border.
> >=20
> > Argh, what a terrible change from a usability point of view. I know
> > this is common in old X window managers (is there really such thing as a
> > "default" UNIX window manager? :-), but just 'cos that's the way it was
> > always done doesn't make it right. =20
> >=20
> > At the very least it should be an option. Click-to-focus isn't the same
> > behaviour because the click that focuses also raises. I *hate* that. I
> > want to have the rear window have focus without coming to the front, and
> > without fancy combinations of clicking and alt-tabbing around.
>
> I hate it too.
>
> I tend to like the Gnome apps, but the window manager seems to be
> getting more windows-like and less useful each iteration.
>
> After 2 or more years of Gnome, I ended up switching to xfce to get
> better performance. And I found that the windows are finally 'sane'
> again. I thought after 2 years I had trained myself away from opening a
> small xterm in the middle of a big emacs window, and cut-and-pasting
> from xterm to emacs. But I hadn't gone more than a couple of hours
> before I did exactly that and realize just how sorely I had missed this
> behavior.
>
> --=20
> Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com>
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> Message: 2
> Subject: Re: NVIDIA driver compile
> From: Brian Fahrlander <Brian at Fahrlander.net>
> To: Fedora List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:50:02 -0600
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> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 01:25, Peter Kiem wrote:
> > > SRPMS are a lot more than tarballs since they define build time
> > > dependencies (ie they refuse to build if this or that isn't installed),
> > > configure flags (eg --with-acl, --with-openldap in the case of samba)
> > > install-time configure scripts
> >=20
> > My point was that SRPMS are bascially a wrapper around tarball installs.
>
> Can I pitch in a couple of Lincolns?
>
> I first touched a Unix machine in 1989. My resume, for which I
> waited at the local printer came out in Albuquerque. This taught me two
> things I didn't notice until much later:
>
> 1. Unix is an interesting world with LOTS of cool tools.
>
> 2. Things don't always work the way they seem, so you have to try to
> make things easy for the user (who may, or may NOT remember where the
> default printer is.)
>
> I've spent tens of thousands of hours sitting behind a black-n-white
> 80x24 screen untarring files and wishing I knew all the details.
>
> PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME GO BACK THERE.
>
> SRPMS are nice; like someone leaving a reel-type lawn mower for a
> brand-new power mower and mulcher that doesn't have to be emptied, I
> really don't want to go back to the way it was before.
>
> Yeah, tarballs are more flexible; if you know every library it might
> ever need, you can build a tarball for a MIPS or DEC or whatever...but
> lets think about this: since the RPM package is built for almost
> everything short of a Timex $2 watch, how about we build everything in
> SRPMs, and make use of their inherent ability to build for multiple
> platforms?
>
> I remember people clinging to non-windows machines...they were
> pathetic, and I was one of'em.
>
> But trust me: I don't have time to remember the dependency tree for
> all 3,000-or-so RPM packages, and I shouldn't have to.
>
> SRPMs/RPMs are an evolution. Just like using, say, MySQL is easier
> than maintaining flat-files, re-writing locking routines every time
> someone needs another phone-book app, it's a tool. And we're darned
> lucky to have it: it does everything we need it to, and if it doesn't,
> we'll add to it.
>
> They allow the few among us who program to give a hand to the rest
> of us a hand-up to get things going. And a program that can't be
> installed is just a datafile, right?
>
> It's not about programmer-macho, it's not about the guy that
> memorizes all the xlib calls by heart...it's about saving time and
> shortening the time it takes to make that huge, killer-app.
>
> If you really need the power of a tarball, feel free to install it
> and copy it anywhere. But the rest of us will just rpmbuild and hope
> for the best.
>
> Enjoy! Rejoice in the power of RPMS!
> =20
> --=20
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:54:36 -0700
> From: Rob Park <rbpark at ualberta.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: raise window on-click
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Jeff Mayrand wrote:
> > design policy in Metacity is to try and avoid configuration options and
> > just implement one choice that trys to suit a large number of people.
>
> Guh? That sounds like the worst idea I've ever heard. "Hey bill, lets
> force the worst possible configuration on the largest number of people
> possible!"
>
> How can anybody presume to know what's best for me? The ideal solution
> is always to let the user configure the software to their own liking.
> This is the entire reason that I use Linux in the first place! If I
> wanted some programmer somewhere to make unchangeable UI decisions for
> me, I'd install Windows XP.
>
> I used to be an Fvwm guy, I had a wicked fvwmrc that fit me like a
> glove, but I stopped using it because I had a really hard time making it
> look good. It was a joy to use, everything from a UI standpoint was
> flawless... but it was just ugly, and I had an impossible time designing
> a pretty interface, so I gave up on it.
>
> KDE 3.2, here I come...
>
> > Opinions are still very divided about whether the "make one choice for
> > everybody" policy is ideal,
>
> It isn't. Ever.
>
> > but the people writing the code and on the
> > usability team and the release team seem to think it's not too harmful,
> > so that's the way things are moving.
>
> Do you also kick yourself in the head 4 or 5 times a day, because it's
> not *too* harmful?
>
> > If you want to be able to customise things further, install a different
> > window manager.
>
> GLADLY! *sigh*
>
> Sorry for my rant, please don't be offended, I'm just upset that your
> goals seem to be restricting choice as much as possible. That's just absurd.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Subject: Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs
> From: Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:55:13 -0500
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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> > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:48:01 -0700
> > From: Rob Park <rbpark at ualberta.ca>
> > To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> > Subject: Re: raise window on-click
> > Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> >=20
> > Merc wrote:
> > > I do agree with you that it should be an option. I must say though tha=
> t
> > > this change delighted me, and is Correct (tm). ;-)
> >=20
> > Ugh, this drives me nuts. I use focus-follows-mouse because I like being=20
> > able to type into whatever window I'm pointing at, WITHOUT having to=20
> > click it.
>
> I'll add one more constraint. I want to paste into it (a click) without
> raising it. This is where Gnome drives me nuts.
>
> > Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the window I'm pointing at=20
> > should ALWAYS have focus, and the WM should never give focus to any=20
> > other window, unless I point at it specifically, no matter how badly=20
> > that other window may want the focus.
>
> Agreed. Actually, I often find myself expecting the system to give focus
> to the window I'm looking at. But maybe that's asking a little too much.
>
> --=20
> Karl DeBisschop <kdebisschop at alert.infoplease.com>
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> Message: 5
> From: "Paolo Nesti Poggi" <pnp at italyflash.com>
> To: <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: SV: toggling between graphic and text mode
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:09:58 +0100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Thank you so much to you and the others who answered.
> This is exactly what I was looking for.
>
> Have a good day
> Paolo
>
> > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> > Fra: fedora-list-admin at redhat.com
> > [mailto:fedora-list-admin at redhat.com]P vegne af Felix Miata
> > Sendt: 24. november 2003 18:59
> > Til: fedora-list at redhat.com
> > Emne: Re: toggling between graphic and text mode
> >
> >
> > Paolo Nesti Poggi wrote:
> >
> > > I'm new to the graphical interface in Fedora (and RedHat for
> > that matter).
> > > I happened to install in graphic mode and cannot work in text mode any
> > > longer.
> > > Is there a way to go from graphic (GNU) to text and reverse?
> >
> > Ctrl-Alt-[F1-F6] to go to any of consoles 1-6 from X. Alt-F7 or
> > Ctrl-Alt-F7 to go to X.
> > --
> > "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."
> > 1 Peter 5:5 NIV
> >
> > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
> >
> > Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
> >
> >
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> >
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 00:58:32 -0700
> From: Rob Park <rbpark at ualberta.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: raise window on-click
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Gordon Messmer wrote:
> > Rob Park wrote:
> >> BUT, sometimes I DO want to raise the window, and it's *so* much
> >> easier to be able to click anywhere than to be restricted to the title
> >> bar.
> >
> > Alt + Mouse 1
> >
> > Problem solved.
>
> This is not a solution. Why do I have to hold down the ALT button to
> perform an action that I previously did NOT have to hold the ALT button
> for? Just because? That's not a good reason.
>
> >> Actually, now that I'm ranting about it anyway, GNOME really needs a
> >> "focus strictly under mouse" mode, not "focus follows mouse, poorly"
> >> as is currently implemented. There's nothing I hate more than writing
> >> an email, and having some error dialog box pop up, but disappear too
> >> quickly to read because I was typing, it stole my focus, and I pressed
> >> the space bar, which selected the default action. That dialog box,
> >> whatever it was, just did something that I might not have wanted it to
> >> do, and it might be irreversible, and I might never know what it was.
> >
> > I agree that this is a serious problem. I don't know if it's the window
> > manager's fault though. It might be fixed by never assigning key
> > shortcuts to buttons in "alert" style dialog boxes (that is, ones that
> > open without the user specifically requesting them to open, from a menu
> > or such) or at the very least, delaying the binding of a key to the
> > default button for several seconds.
>
> The problem there, though, is that the new window will still have
> keyboard focus, meaning that whatever I was typing doesn't make it into
> the window I was trying to type it into. I want to continue writing
> whatever I'm writing, for as long as I want, and I'll deal with the
> message dialog when I feel like it.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:01:32 +0100
> From: Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Whom should I put my trust?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
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> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 03:09:51PM +0800, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 15:04, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 02:06:15PM +0800, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 05:12, Timothy Ha wrote:
> > > > > Thank you!
> > > > >=20
> > > > > I still have some questions (not doubts): With thrilling stories li=
> ke=20
> > > > > someone break into Linux kernel source, how do you guarant the qual=
> ity=20
> > > > > of the repositories? Security updates, system tools and so on are t=
> here.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Will Redhat be some guarantee to all these things?
> > > >=20
> > > > Not necessarily, but...=20
> > > >=20
> > > > The packages are all signed with GPG if they are officially part of t=
> he
> > > > Fedora project. Your up2date/apt/yum should be configured to check th=
> ese
> > > > signatures before installing anything, and to scream "bloody-blue
> > > > murder" if they are not correctly signed.=20
> > >=20
> > > Well, almost all non-redhat.com repos are GPG signing as well. GPG
> > > signed packages with keys from the same originating site only ensures
> > > that you get what the packager produced. The difference being that I
> > > would trust a redhat.com key more than a my.repo.for.fc1.hackz key ;)
> > >=20
> > > > You should be able to find the official keys and and explanation of
> > > > their uses here:
> > > >=20
> > > > http://fedora.redhat.com/about/security/
> > >=20
> > > Maybe RH could consider verifying some IDs of packagers/repos and sign
> > > their keys (and vice versa, RH's key is not signed by any other key)?
> > > That would be a good establishment to create a true web of trust.
> >=20
> > Oh, part of that is here:
> >=20
> > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dvindex&search=3D0x54A2ACF1
>
> This is a signed key of the fedora.us release manager that rejects
> cooperation with other repos, not quite the right context for trusting
> 3rd party repos. It also only transfers trust to s single instance, a
> web of trust creates more than a single trusted instance. The Debian
> keyring is a better example of creating webs of trust.
>
> I was referring to RH's own fedora key, which is not signed:
>
> http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=3Dvindex&search=3D0x4F2A6FD2&op=3Din=
> dex
>
> and it shouldn't be used for being signed only, but for signing
> trusted parties, because that's what is in lack of trust (well, at
> least in theory).
>
> The RH key should be used for creating a web of trust by signing and
> being signed by trusted packagers whose identification has been
> verified (because that is what signing really means). At least some
> Red Hat people could start signing their own key. :)
> --=20
> Axel.Thimm at physik.fu-berlin.de
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> Message: 8
> Subject: Re: Wine serious problem
> From: William Penton <wmp1784 at omega.uta.edu>
> To: fedora <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:12:19 -0600
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 16:05, Antonio Luis wrote:
> > Hi:
> > I cannot install any application with wine. The file that I used is
> > wine-20031118-1fc1winehq.athlon.rpm
> > with a good configuration:
> >
> > [Drive A]
> > "Path" = "/mnt/floppy"
> > "Type" = "floppy"
> > "Label" = "Floppy"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> > "Serial" = "87654321"
> > "Device" = "/dev/fd0"
> >
> > [Drive C]
> > "Path" = "%HOME%/.wine/c"
> > "Type" = "hd"
> > "Label" = "MS-DOS"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> >
> > [Drive D]
> > "Path" = "/mnt/cdrom"
> > "Type" = "cdrom"
> > "Label" = "CD-Rom"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> > ; make sure that device is correct and has proper permissions !
> > "Device" = "/dev/cdrom"
> >
> > [Drive E]
> > "Path" = "%HOME%/.wine/c/tmp"
> > "Type" = "hd"
> > "Label" = "Tmp Drive"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> >
> > [Drive F]
> > "Path" = "%HOME%"
> > "Type" = "network"
> > "Label" = "Home"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> >
> > [Drive Z]
> > "Path" = "/"
> > "Type" = "hd"
> > "Label" = "Root"
> > "Filesystem" = "win95"
> >
> > [wine]
> > "Windows" = "c:\\windows"
> > "System" = "c:\\windows\\system"
> > "Temp" = "e:\\"
> > "Path" = "c:\\windows;c:\\windows\\system;e:\\;e:\\;f:\\"
> > "Profile" = "c:\\windows\\Profiles\\Administrator"
> > "GraphicsDriver" = "x11drv"
> > ;"ShowDirSymlinks" = "1"
> > ;"ShowDotFiles" = "1"
> > "ShellLinker" = "wineshelllink"
> >
> >
> > but when I execute the setup.exe of any aplication (for example
> > scientific notebook 3) this message appear:
> >
> > "Setup is unable to find a hard disk location to store temporary files.
> > Make at least 722KB free disk space available and then try running
> > Setup again.
> > Error 101".
> >
> > What's happens?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> I am having the same problem too. I tried installing as root and
> changing the location 'c:\' pointed to but nothing seems to be working
> for me.
>
>
> -william
>
> --
> ,.~'`'~.,.~'`'~.,.~'`'~.,.~'`'~.,
> "Captain, life is not a dream."
> -Spock
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:09:55 -0700
> From: Rob Park <rbpark at ualberta.ca>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: fedora-list digest, Vol 1 #356 - 28 msgs
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Karl DeBisschop wrote:
> > Agreed. Actually, I often find myself expecting the system to give focus
> > to the window I'm looking at. But maybe that's asking a little too much.
>
> Yeah, that'd be nice. "focus strictly under eyeballs".
>
> I don't think it'll be long (maybe 10 or 20 years) before somebody
> invents a "pointing device" that controls your mouse cursor by measuring
> your eyeball movements and simply have the cursor move to wherever you
> are looking at. Combine this with the "focus strictly under mouse" that
> I described in another email, and it'd be pure bliss :)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 10
> Subject: Re: Updated RPM - flash-plugin-6.0.79-2
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:14:54 -1000
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 15:36, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > Deleting /var/spool/up2date/*macromedia* allowed the install to continue.
> > The package really is unsigned, so the --nosig option to up2date is
> > required.
> >
> > Should the hangup be in bugzilla? Thanks.
>
> All flash-plugin packages from macromedia.mplug.org are signed by the
> fedora.us key. There must have been a bug in up2date or something.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 11
> Subject: Re: Flash Plugin for Fedora Core 1
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:20:25 -1000
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 14:55, Jonathan M. Slivko wrote:
> > Anyone know of a Shockwave plugin for Fedora Core 1?
> > -- Jonathan
>
> Shockwave has not been ported to Linux, probably because they don't see
> the market demand. Write polite letters to Macromedia if you want them
> to better support Linux. Currently Shockwave plugin works great with
> CrossOver Plugin (the commercial wine that runs many Windows plugins),
> but this is really an undesirable solution.
>
> Does anyone actually create non-silly-web-game Shockwave content? I
> believe I totally haven't visited any USEFUL Shockwave pages. Ever. I
> could be wrong though.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:27:03 +0100
> From: Emmanuel Seyman <seyman at wanadoo.fr>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: alsa on fedora
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 12:28:03AM -0600, David Limon Romero wrote:
> >
> > I'm using it too, but I'm just asking why don't include alsa rpms in the
> > fedora releases instead of downloading it from freshrpms... (just wondering..
>
> Alsa is the 2.6 sound system and I suppose Red Hat didn't feel porting it
> to 2.4 was worth the effort.
> It should be in FC 2 since that should come with the 2.6 kernel.
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Subject: Re: Obtaining a 2.6 kernel?
> From: Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro at linuxmail.org>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:30:57 +0100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 07:58, Nick Wilson wrote:
> > Hmmm.. daft questions but, where can I get a 2.6 rpm?
>
> # wget
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test10.tar.bz2
>
> Then, extract the sources:
>
> # tar jxvf linux-2.6.0-test10.tar.bz2
>
> Next, configure it:
>
> # make menuconfig
>
> And finally, build the RPM:
>
> # make rpm
>
> The last command will drop an RPM file at /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386. You
> should be able to install it by using "rpm -i".
>
I tried this install method and made it to "make menuconfig" and got
this (in part) ...
scripts/lxdialog/checklist.c:310: error: `KEY_RIGHT' undeclared (first
use in this function)
scripts/lxdialog/checklist.c: At top level:
scripts/lxdialog/dialog.h:130: warning: array `attributes' assumed to
have one element
make[2]: *** [scripts/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2
[root at localhost linux-2.6.0-test10]#
I'm a total noob so I really dunno what was causing the error .. the
list of undeclared items from above is quite long. I really love the
idea of this kernel being able to shut my computer off, that's the main
reason I'm looking to try it.
Thanks for any and all help,
Justin
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:30:31 +0100
> From: Emmanuel Seyman <seyman at wanadoo.fr>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Fedora - A Step Forward or Backward?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 10:02:08PM -0500, Elton Woo wrote:
> >
> > The following information represents the minimum hardware requirements
> > necessary to successfully install Fedora Core 1:
> > ...
> > # Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better
>
> This isn't the minimum. It's a recommendation.
> I've gotton FC1 to install on a P133 with 64M of RAM.
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 15
> Subject: Re: inspiron8500
> From: Ben Stringer <ben at burbong.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:31:14 +1100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 01:38, Joerg Maier wrote:
> > hey I install fedora core 1 on my Inspiron 8500 and enabled acpi and now
> > the laptop hangs the most of the time after booting, I don't know why.
> > It's only sometimes. Does someone has experience with DELL laptops and
> > help me with this problem?
>
> Have you looked here? This is a good reference.
>
> http://ltswww.epfl.ch/~dsanta/resources/dell-i8500-linux
>
> Cheers, Ben
>
> --
> .O. Ben Stringer
> ..O ben at burbong.com
> OOO linux|java|majitek|gnu
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:32:02 +0100
> From: "T. Ribbrock" <emgaron at gmx.net>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: The Fedora Core release notes suck!
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:53:08PM -0500, Elton Woo wrote:
> > /RANT
> > Pet peeve: NETIQUETTE and its IMPORTANCE to the archives
> > and to those whose FIRST language is NOT English.
> [...]
> > 4) Netiquette also DEMANDS that signatures be no longer than 3 lines.
>
> Wrong. It's 4 lines. See:
>
> http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/Orig/rfc1855.txt
>
> If we do it, let's do it right... ;-)
>
>
> > 5) For reasons of courtesy, as well as *security* do NOT post in
> > HTML, the favored tool of SPAMMERS.
>
> ... and please wrap your lines at about 72 chars.
>
>
> 6) Before posting, please make use of the archives of this list (and
> maybe even Google) to ensure that your question has not been answered
> before. That way, you get your answer even quicker while at the same
> time keeping the volume of the list down to a manageable level.
>
> 7) For more information about Netquette, see
> http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/Orig/rfc1855.txt
>
> > If you cannot, will not, refuse to respect these guidelines, then ...
> > DO NOT post to the list, just lurk or read the archives.
> >
> > /RANT
>
> Other than that, I wholeheartedly agree.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> Thomas
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas Ribbrock http://www.ribbrock.org
> "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!"
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 17
> From: "Jeroen Lankheet" <Jeroen.Lankheet at hccnet.nl>
> To: "Fedora" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Subject: Where's the hardware compatibility list?
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 09:39:02 +0100
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Hi there,
>
> I need to upgrade from RH7.3 either to RH9 or to Fedora. I base my decision
> on the presence of HPT370 RAID support. RH9 has a 3rd party driver. But i
> cannot find any information on Fedora RAID support, or any other hardware
> support.
>
> Could anyone please tell me where it is?
>
> Jeroen Lankheet
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> Subject: Re: NVIDIA driver compile
> From: Peter Kiem <zordah at zordah.net>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Organization: Zordah IT
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:45:44 +1000
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> > I've spent tens of thousands of hours sitting behind a black-n-white
> > 80x24 screen untarring files and wishing I knew all the details.
> >
> > PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME GO BACK THERE.
> >
> > SRPMS are nice; like someone leaving a reel-type lawn mower for a
>
> Yes I don't disagree with you there Brian. I myself much prefer RPMS
> and only resort to tarballs when necessary. I think RPMS are great for
> installing and keeping systems running smoothly.
>
> I don't need however, some pompous person telling me that for "_serious_
> software building" that SRPMS are a magic bullet and tars are "highly
> unreliable". That is complete Bulls**t!
>
> I'm a developer and system administrator by profession myself so I
> understand computer systems and software quite well thank you very much
> Jean.
>
> Anyway the original post was how to compile under a previous gcc release
> which I answered instead of telling the poster to go load something else
> instead.
>
> Anyway enough noise now, let's all go back to being happy little Fedora
> users :)
>
> > Enjoy! Rejoice in the power of RPMS!
>
> Where available :)
>
> --
> Regards,
> +-----------------------------+---------------------------------+
> | Peter Kiem .^. | E-Mail : <zordah at zordah.net> |
> | Zordah IT /V\ | Mobile : +61 0414 724 766 |
> | IT Consultancy & /( )\ | WWW : www.zordah.net |
> | Internet Services ^^-^^ | ICQ : "Zordah" 866661 |
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>
>
>
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>
> Message: 19
> Subject: Re: Where's the hardware compatibility list?
> From: Warren Togami <warren at togami.com>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:53:08 -1000
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
> On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 22:39, Jeroen Lankheet wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I need to upgrade from RH7.3 either to RH9 or to Fedora. I base my decision
> > on the presence of HPT370 RAID support. RH9 has a 3rd party driver. But i
> > cannot find any information on Fedora RAID support, or any other hardware
> > support.
> >
> > Could anyone please tell me where it is?
>
> Always the recommendation is to avoid HPT or Promise RAID for several
> good reasons:
>
> 1) It doesn't gain you much of any real performance. If you use RAID-0,
> some synthetic benchmarks show better thruput, but real-world
> applications are not much better.
> 2) It isn't real hardware RAID. It is poorly implemented software RAID
> done by the drivers. Real software RAID by the Linux or Windows
> operating system tends to have greater performance and reliability.
> 3) If you rely on the 3rd party binary-only drivers from Promise or HPT,
> you are absolutely stuck in upgrading. To make matters worse sometimes
> those binary-only drivers have been unstable, and the community or RH
> will cannot and will not support you. You need to rely on the company's
> support, and in most cases they ignore you.
> 4) It is *possible* to get it running using the /dev/ataraid devices for
> the root filesystem, but only if you install to a single disk and copy
> everything over manually and redo the GRUB or lilo boot loader. It
> isn't worth the effort however because this makes it a pain in the butt
> to upgrade, and you don't gain much of any real performance increase.
>
> Maybe 2 years ago I used to do #4, but it was too much of a pain so I
> switched back to single disks.
>
> Warren
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 10:03:41 +0100
> From: Nick Wilson <nick at stylesheet.org>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Obtaining a 2.6 kernel?
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
> * and then Felipe Alfaro Solana declared....
> > On Tue, 2003-11-25 at 07:58, Nick Wilson wrote:
> > > Hmmm.. daft questions but, where can I get a 2.6 rpm?
> >
> > # wget
> > ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.0-test10.tar.bz2
> >
> > Then, extract the sources:
> >
> > # tar jxvf linux-2.6.0-test10.tar.bz2
> >
> > Next, configure it:
> >
> > # make menuconfig
>
>
> Right, thanks.
>
> Will menuconfig provide sensible defaults? - I really wouldn't know what
> to choose? ;-)
> --
> Nick W
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 12:12:16 +0300 (MSK)
> From: Tommy Tovbin <tovbin at niisi.msk.ru>
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: VMWare (fwd)
> Reply-To: fedora-list at redhat.com
>
>
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Sean Craig wrote:
>
> Yesterday I tried it, but didn't get any good result. Problem is seemed
> open for me.
>
> > 'export CC=gcc32'
> >
> > then run vmware-config.pl
> >
> > Sean Craig
> >
> > Tommy Tovbin wrote:
> >
> > >Hi all,
> > >
> > >Next problem I got:
> > >I'm trying to install VMware-workstation-4.0.5-6030.i386.rpm. Then rpm was
> > >installed, I ran vmware-config.pl and got next sudden result:
> > >[ --------------------- ]
> >
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