RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?

Fri Apr 16 18:59:57 UTC 2004

>From what I know Fedora is the replacement for the free RedHat products.
They also have a professional version only available at stores in
shrink-wrap for about $40.00

Fedora has been nothing but stable for me.  I am using it for some of my
IDS installs when they do not want to pay for rhel.

http://www.internetsecurityguru.com/documents/

I may be full it of though :) and have no idea what I am talking about

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bartman [mailto:omni at omniphile.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:41 PM
To: For users of Fedora Core releases
Subject: RE: RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?

My feelings are similar to Guy's.  I've been using RHL since 5.2, with
several upgrades along the way.  Current system is running 7.3.  I was
about to upgrade again when the ennouncement came.  I'm pretty
distressed by RH's decisions, and am looking for an alternative to them
now.

I'm not an "enterprise", so hundreds of dollars a year for their new
offerings isn't a good option for me.  If I was a large company, it
wouldn't be an issue, but the money comes out of my personal pocket, not
a corporate operating budget.

I'm not a linux developer, and I need my system to work at all times, so
Fedora doesn't seem to be a good option either...though I'm not 100%
convinced of that yet, which is why I signed up for this list.  Need
more info.

RH seems to think that the only two options are "workstation" and
"server".
 My system is both.  I use it as a workstation, but it also acts as a
server for my home network (which has several flavors of Windows, and
OpenVMS running on it).  I'm basically my own ISP on a DSL line with a
single user.  RH's cheaper "workstation" setup doesn't have all the
parts I need, and their more expensive server product is...more
expensive (and therefore not an option)...it also may be missing parts I
need.  

Fedora seems (correct me if I'm wrong please...) to be a development
system...a continuous beta release.  Something that will change all the
time, require constant attention, and may be broken some percentage of
the time.  For those with a hobby of software development, it's great.
For those who want RHL the way we've been using it for years now, I'm
not clear on how well it simulates RHL with RHN updates to close new
security flaws and other problems.  Can someone who isn't a linux guru
set up and maintain a Fedora system as easily as doing the same thing
with RHL?  How do I get from my current working RHL 7.3 system to the
Fedora system?  Can I just upgrade?  Or is this a "new build from
scratch" situation?  None of the RH FAQ's seem to address these
issues...they just try to sell me on RHEL and tell me how great Fedora
is to people who aren't exactly like me.

I don't mind running up2date frequently, but I don't want to have to get
into it more than that, except very rarely, and only then for
educational purposes.  Basically I want something that works like RHL
with RHN...but RH isn't interested in selling that to me anymore.  This
has put RH into a very bad light with me...I hate being rejected as
unimportant and not worth the time when I've been helping to support
their getting to where they are by being a long time customer.  Even if
my next job involves purchasing for a large company, I'd still be a bit
put off by RH and look hard for alternatives.  Rejecting people has long
term effects that may not show up immediately...even if I understand how
greed might be prompting them to "go where the money is".

Fedora may do what I need done, and if so, that will help mitigate my
feelings about RH somewhat.  It may not.  I'll keep reading what's
posted here and see if I can figure it out...while looking at other
distros to see if anyone else is picking up the ball that RH dropped.

-- Mike Bartman

At 08:22 AM 4/16/04 -0500, Harper, Patrick wrote:
>You can get RedHat Professional Workstation for around $40 at best buy.
>It is based on.  You get RHN with it.  This is what I am going to for 
>my home box's that I do not want to run Fedora on
>
>http://www.redhat.com/software/workstation/
>
>
>Patrick S. Harper | CISSP RHCT MCSE
>Information Security Engineer
>patrick.harper at phns.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Guy Fraser [mailto:guy at incentre.net]
>Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:24 PM
>To: For users of Fedora Core releases
>Subject: Re: RH rips again Was: extend EOL for Red Hat Linux 9?
>
>Yes, that was my point.
>
>I have been purchasing RH box sets since 4.2, and RHN since 7.something

>to support the community.
>
>I knew RHL 9 would be discontinued, but I didn't expect that the whole 
>RHL line would disappear and I would have to choose between an 
>enterprise product or a loosly supported comunity based product.

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