Giving up on Linux...

[Donald Correll]

Dear xyzzy

It's me again. Sorry if I seem to be making light of your trouble but as 
they say if it was easy everyone would do it. Well everyone is doing the 
M$huck out the money bit, and I guess they get their money's worth but 
Linux is coming on  strong. My money is on open source. Funny but that 
gives Sore Bill nightmares. That inspires Balmer to do his thing, and 
low and behold SCO gets a payday for spreading FUD. Funny isn't it jus 
the other day it seems M$ was found guilty yet today Sore Bill is 
knighted.. Now imho that just ain't American.Lets hear it for the little 
guy inspired by Saint Linus benevolence slaving away to perfect your 
experimental Fedora Code. But cheer up Red Hat knows just where to use 
that code. It is called in the Enterprise, and now Mr. Bill is getting a 
serious migraine and Mr Balmer well we don't want to get sued do we so 
we will just leave it at that. In my own experience Linux does not 
always come easy but I sure have met an awfully lot of nice people who 
went out of their way to help me. My best advice to you is to pour 
another cup of coffeee and roll up the sleeves or if it has gone that 
far pop the top and take a break.I can think of plenty of XP config 
nightmares not to mention IIS or Active Directory, .net etc.and I am 
sure others will be happy to share their bummers too. It just goes with 
the turf. The more bleeding edge the hardware, the more complex the 
task, well just keep that pot of hot java handy and prepare to burn the 
lights late.

>On Sunday 22 February 2004 11:38 am, WipeOut wrote:
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>>>Re: My home system is an ASUS PVP800-VM motherboard which has hi-speed USB,
>>>ACPI, Pentium IV with hyperthread, S-ATA, Intel Extreme 2 graphics (865G
>>>chipset).
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Nice hardware but I love my NForce 2 and Athlon XP, it gets the job done 
too.

>>>I also have an antique Adaptec 2930 SCSI card for my LS-2000 scanner.
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Under Red Hat 8.0 and 9.0 the scuzzy and scanner on my piii coppermine 
installed and ran without a hitch

>>>Re: Redhat 9 install disks won't even boot on this machine unless I disable
>>>the Enhanced IDE (<-- totally bogus!!) ...  Fedora Core 1 is about the
>>>same.
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I am fairly certain this is an XP thing. I am still trying to get the 
Knoppix Test run to complete succesfully.

>>>RE: I decided on FC1 because it uses a later kernel (2.4.22 ... 24?) which
>>>seems to support hyperthread and S-ATA better.  When I finally got FC1
>>>installed (I had to disable Enhanced IDE, install, compile a custom
>>>kernel and then re-enable Enhanced IDE), it was horribly SLOOOOOOW...
>>>running a shell in X and pasting a long command line took forever to
>>>complete.
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All Fedora Core is beta at best, what did you expect.

>>>Re: I figured that this might be due to the graphics driver, so I updated the
>>>graphics driver from Intel and then X crashed with a segmentation fault in
>>>the closed source part of the driver when attempting to start the X
>>>server. Even changing back to the original driver in the XF86Config
>>>didn't fix the segfault.  Gotta reinstall?  Who needs this? What a
>>>nightmare.
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Try NVidia they are Linux people. Much better graphics too.

>>>Re: The issue here is that Windows XP runs "out-of-the-box" on this system
>>>without problems and it is FAST, once it boots.
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My son loves it to play games.

>>>Re: I could try the 2.6 kernel (and I have a LOT of experience with
>>>computers), but what's the use?  The 2.6 kernel is not ready for
>>>prime-time, not by a long shot, and neither, it seems, is Linux in
>>>general.
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Tsk, tsk. Why try 2.6 if what you have works anyway. 2.6 was rushed out 
the door in answer to SCO.

>>>Re: I have seen too many bugs and posts on these topics about
>>>SMP/hyperthread/ACPI and other issues that cause the system to lock up
>>>after a time of running or not run at all and no fixes seem to be in
>>>sight - maybe because these problems are intractable without inside
>>>information about ACPI and other things that Intel will give to Microsoft
>>>but not to Open Source developers. Maybe Redhat just doesn't care. Who
>>>knows?
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Bleeding edge always has it's painful installs but when it works such 
joy. Keep plugging away, unless you want to try AMD of course.

>>>Re:I pity the average user that tries to install and run Linux on their
>>>latest hardware.  If I, as an experienced software engineer, throw up my
>>>hands, what would a relative newbie who just needs the system to work do?
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The average user is still using W98.

>>>Re: I have real problems seeing how Linux is going to make it to the desktop
>>>by 2005 with these kinds of road-blocks.
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What is your rush. Linux is already making great progress, just ask Mr. 
Gates physician.

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>>Re: Obviously by the fact that you felt the need to post you message here
>>you are looking for some kind of confirmation about you decision.. The
>>people in this mailing list are all Linux users so I doubt you will get
>>any..
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No one lives in a vacumn. I for one am glad to use both M$ and Linux 
becaue it is required in my business. Did I mention the MAc, yes we 
support those too.

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>Re:No, I'm not looking for some kind of confirmation.  I am looking for a system 
>that works, and Linux is not working for me.  What, are you saying that 
>"Linux users" comprise some sort of religion?
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Mac is a religion. Linux is for poor but hard working people. But soon 
that will include a whole lot more people because it works.

>Re: I use Linux at work... I am a kernel hacker at work.  That is my job.  Redhat 
>9 works for me at work because the motherboard is not completely state of the 
>art.
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So why do you blame your tools?

>Re:I am not looking for any sort of consensus or support for my "decision".  I 
>would rather that Linux worked for me. It doesn't and THAT is what I am 
>bothered by.  It seems that all of the problems with SMP systems locking up 
>are not being addressed... where are the fixes for the bugs in BugZilla?  
>Where is the vaunted Open Source community in all of this?
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My friend you just crossed over into the Enterprise. Nothing is free.

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>>Re: As you said you "have a lot of computer experience" so all I will say is
>>enjoy the viruses and worms, the BSOD's, the reinstalls when the
>>registry get full of crap, the annual licencing, the having to register
>>you products with MS and then having to call them up when you have to
>>reinstall, the locking down you freedom to save the files you want
>>without being hit by DRM systems and the freedom in general to have the
>>ability to rebuild the system as you want it not to be forced into their
>>meida player, web browser and MSN services..
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>Sock it to him!
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>I agree with all of this which is why I wanted to put Linux on my home 
>desktop.
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>Re:However, even with all of M$ garbage, the bottom line is that their garbage 
>works on my system and Linux does not.
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See there you made Mr Gates feel better allready.

dcorrell

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