FC2 doubtful quality?

Don Dupy fedora at maxxrad.net
Wed Jun 23 04:01:26 UTC 2004

I started using Linux as of RH 7.1
I have stuck with RH all the way.
I tried Slackware a couple of times, but RH has it beat for useability
"out of the box". I always went back.
We use Slackware @ work on every server (about 16 of em). It's the Admin's
preference. He used to be a RH man, but he didn't like the way RH was
changing it's OS around every release. (or something like that). So, he is
strictly Slackware now.

I still feel that anyone who wants to try linux, try Fedora.
It's very forgiving, and it was made for a newbie to install, and it can
be used for server duty, or whatever you like.
as I stated earlier, FC2 still makes me nervous, so I will use FC1.....
for now.

There are pros and cons on the whole direction RH went when it split into
RH enterprise and Fedora. I was sore about it at first, but now I have
used FC and gotten help from all you wonderful people, I stand firm on
this product and it's support. My biggest complaint about FC is MY lack of
knowledge about linux. If I knew how to do it, I am sure I can make it
work. If I don't know, I ask or search for answers.

I wish I could offer more help, but I still consider myself a novice at
best. But I will give help whenever I can. I know the help is there for
me, and that makes me sleep easy at night. I am very proud of what i have
accomplished to date. I couldn't have done it without RH and you people.

Don Dupy
Systems Administrator
Maxxrad PC Services
email: fedora at maxxrad.net

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Robin Laing wrote:

> Keith Lofstrom wrote:
> > This is a debate between the complainers and the excuse-makers.
> >
> > The complainers (which include me) want responsible behavior.  The
> > excuse-makers claim that the users who complain aren't worthy.
> >
> > I have been using Redhat for years.  I still have RH9 on 3 machines.
> > I am using Fedora Core 1 on two machines, and Fedora Core 2 on another.
> > Like my fellow complainers, I am also considering replacing them all
> > with SUSE or Debian.
> >
> > I would dearly love for the fedora model to work;  there are some
> > excellent people contributing here.  But there are also those who
> > get their kicks by abusing newbies and playing power games.  They
> > make the whole fedora and linux community look bad.
> >
> <SNIP>
> >
> > FC2 is indeed "doubtful quality".  You should be very skeptical
> > before loading it.  That doesn't make it "bad", it just makes it
> > incompatable with the goals of many users.  FC2 is a race car, not
> > a BMW, and it should be advertised as the former and not the latter.
> > Again, look at the website!
> >
> > Fellow complainers, pay close attention to the excuse makers.  An
> > excuse is a promise to repeat the same behavior in the future.  If
> > you feel that the excuse-to-solution ratio is too high, perhaps it
> > is indeed time to look for more professional behavior elsewhere.
> > I have a colo site with bandwidth.  Does anyone know how to set up
> > a mailing list?  We could call it "redhat-recovery" and focus on
> > techniques for moving on.  Then we could leave these other happy
> > folks to quietly enjoy their sandbox.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> Keith, I will agree with most of what you say.  Around work here, some
> people are using FC2 and they are happy.  They are also more
> experienced with dealing with all the little problems that they run
> across.  I for one will wait until FC2 is much more stable for use at
> work.
> At home I am waiting for Nvidia to get a new driver to work.
> Now on the quality I will agree that Fedora is a "test bed" moreso
> than other distros so it isn't fair to compare it with a commercial
> distribution.  Some of the issues that many are having have also been
> brought up in the press.  In all the articles that I have read, it is
> refered to Red Hat's Fedora project.  There is association between
> Fedora and RH.
> FC2 as stated by many others have a large number of issues that are
> upsetting old users and new users alike.  These issues such as the
> dual boot problem are usage killers.  Some people go into panic mode
> at the first sign of a problem.
> As some people have issues with certain hardware not being supported,
> that happens.  I have had this happen in the past with video cards
> moving from XFree86 3.x to 4.x but this is progress.
> Now the issue of possible or preceved abuse of newbies, well that I
> have seen or at least sensed by some of the responses.  Searching
> archives is one idea but searching archives isn't always that
> sucessful.  That is why people come to the forum for answers.
> I moved to RH from Slackware in the 90's with RH 4.x and have stuck
> with it.  I was tempted to give Gentoo a try but due to some standard
> questions I think I will stay with Fedora for now.
> I have issues with FC1 but many of these are related to things I have
> done.  I also know that until many applications are available for FC2,
> I cannot move.
> FC2 is a major change and there are alot of areas that bugs or issues
> can hide.  These will work their way through and be corrected but it
> will take time.  I will say that I think the pressure of meeting a set
> date did cause FC2 to be issued to soon.  Each new release should be
> better than the one that it is replacing.  I don't think FC2 is at
> this point, at least not for me.
> --
> Robin Laing
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