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Re : Re: Deploring *nix Philosophy ( Was Re : Splitting archives across floppies )
- From: Parameshwara Bhat <pbhat ongc net>
- To: Robin Laing drdc-rddc gc ca
- Cc: "fedora-list redhat com" <fedora-list redhat com>
- Subject: Re : Re: Deploring *nix Philosophy ( Was Re : Splitting archives across floppies )
- Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:59:32 +0530
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:37:46 -0600, Robin Laing
<Robin Laing drdc-rddc gc ca> wrote:
Parameshwara Bhat wrote:
Hello Mr. Erik & Mr.Robin,
I thank you both for taking the pains to respond in such details. I am
trying to clarify my position ( to myself first and the list ) help
make issues clear.Dear List,please excuse me for the lenght.I can't
We all have to learn sometime. After using Linux since 1994, I am still
learning and loving it more.
Yes, I do love Linux. I thought my questions and criticisma were
protestations of a genuine lover so that his object of love only shines
more for him.
I don't think there is a mis-understanding. The problem isn't the OS
figuring out the aspect of your installation as much as confirming to
the OS that this is what you want.
That is the point.During installation or immediately after installation
(first run),just in the manner of kde desktop configuration tool, Linux
distros can run a script wherein the root can set what default settings -
security scheme meets his/her needs.And when an user is added,whether the
same settings should be mapped to the new user or changed should be able
to be set.Anytime need changes the security scheme should be easily
re-configurable from a central application.This way-system itself applying
suitable security scheme I find will be more secure a system than one
where advised by list or some friend one does a half-informed alterations
to obtain a functionality.
But should every account have sound enabled? Reading and playing CD's
is another issue as well. Do I want my children playing CD on the
computer? Again this is an administration issue. Default setups can be
configured to work across the board. I haven't played with the settings
but I haven't had the need to. Remember some hardware won't work in
Linux and from an article I read this morning, not all hardware will
work in Windows.
Yes,I believe computer is a tool, getting more and more cheaper,like
tv,many other players and other gadgets like fridge, mw ovens. Now each
has its own safety/security issue.But in a family,they are all accessible
to different family members (setting different limits is ok,like child
lock in tv).Computer cannot be on a different plane.This adaptability and
configurability are more important.It should not require a computer guru.
Linux is entering new markets in Desktop / home PCs and it should present
tools so that any educated person ( not a computer professional ) can
install it,configure it and maintain it for normal everyday uses where a
Pc is more of a typing / publishing machine and a great multimedia
entertainer. I would like Linux distros to see the requirement of this
segment and cater to this and provide good security / reliability in this
environment. It has far higher abilities which it can keep and augment for
other segments of users. If this is ensured, hardware makers will come to
Linux with support, You do not have to go beg.
In the menu under System Tools is Disk Management. I can mount, unmount
and format disks using this tool. As *nix looks at the device
differently, unmounting the device before removal does make more sense.
I have wrecked floppies and CD's in Windows by removing them before the
FAT was updated and all writing was complete. Being totally automatic
is nice but can cause problems. This is more than a security issue. It
is a reliability issue.
I have no experience with modems and modern linux. Last time I setup a
modem in Linux was in 1995.
On the odd occasion I have had issues with Sound and I think alot of
that will change with ALSA. I don't know yet. For most purposes,
sound works great at home for all users. I didn't have to change
anything for this to work. I think I have had two issues where a
program did not exit for another user. I have had issues with volume
being changed but I haven't thought about it.
Windows is even older and it is now looking at where they went wrong.
Security is a new word at Redmond and this is being forced onto the
sofware writers as a fix. From what I am reading, there are allot of
applications and procedures that will change on Windows XP after the
installation of SP2. If this is true, there will be allot of unhappy
users. Many users have followed the adage of install and forget. Even
not doing virus updates and package updates.
Try going from Windows 3.1 to Windows XP. (I have used both on the same
day) There are alot of changes. *nix systems are still similiar to
systems that were made 10 years ago. Many of the commands are still the
same though some options have changed. Why, they work. In many cases,
many old applications can be compiled and still work on a current
version. Now try running Windows old applications on a new version.
This is one of the major upgrade costs for Windows, updating
But a driver of a car does need to know how to drive, signal and meet
some basic standards test. I have seen cases of people that don't know
enough about cars try putting oil into the car via the dipstick. There
are rules to the road and experience that allows you to drive to work
without having an accident. How many people can go purchase a car and
drive it without having taken a driving test? Would you want those
people on the road? I don't. I wouldn't let my wife drive until she
had her license to drive. Maybe we should implement licenses to
purchase computers and use them. :)
People purchase computers and don't have any knowledge of how they work
or how they should be maintained. They don't know about updates,
anti-virus programs etc. Microsoft EULA are now wanting to do updates
to you computer even if you don't know about it. Is this correct? Of
course, you don't purchase Microsoft Windows, you only license it for
If you don't know enough about your car to do basic maintenance you hire
someone else to do it. Do you do your own oil changes? How about tire
repairs? Now using this anology, some computer work for some people
requires paying someone else to do it.
Windows does have it's issues and many people have to get outside help
to get things working. I have made some good money from this in the
past. I don't now as I don't have the patience to learn the Windows
Notice that some auto manufacturers are now looking at personal
identification as theft deterent.
I believe I have been fair ( and forthright ). I have no hesitation in
correcting myself if I am not
Security and safety precautions are fine but as everytool in the modern
world is getting complex and coplexer, not everybody can learn everything
and to use a tool,you should not be required to know all its internal
mechanisms. That's an unfair demand on the user. By your response, I see
we both diverge here. Security /safety of any tool should be so designed
as to enable / empower a normal intelligent person in its usage.
We are here to learn and any civil discussion. Some of the issues that
have been in this thread are issues that I have thought about as well.
I learn look at other issues due to discussions. I never looked at the
comparison between cars and using computers before reading this post.
I would rather learn how to work within Linux security than deal with
all the headaches of having to re-install Windows once a year just to
clean up the registry.
I think I am putting quite a good deal in learning. I was only talking
about the macro configuration which could obviate tinkering with half
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