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Re: Re : Re: Deploring *nix Philosophy ( Was Re : Splitting archives across floppies )
- From: Parameshwara Bhat <pbhat ongc net>
- To: Robin Laing drdc-rddc gc ca
- Cc: "fedora-list redhat com" <fedora-list redhat com>
- Subject: Re: Re : Re: Deploring *nix Philosophy ( Was Re : Splitting archives across floppies )
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:34:29 +0530
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 09:32:39 -0600, Robin Laing
<Robin Laing drdc-rddc gc ca> wrote:
I agree that computers are becoming a commoddity and almost a necessity
in the home. Look at the price of new computers in comparison to 6
months ago. But as we have seen in the past, networked Windows
computers that have been compromised have cost billions of dollars. I
have yet to hear of a TV or smart coffee maker doing the same damage
(other than a fire). Of course as they get smarter, the problem will
Yes,I believe computer is a tool, getting more and more cheaper,like
tv,many other players and other gadgets like fridge, mw ovens. Now each
has its own safety/security issue.But in a family,they are all
accessible to different family members (setting different limits is
ok,like child lock in tv).Computer cannot be on a different plane.This
adaptability and configurability are more important.It should not
require a computer guru. Linux is entering new markets in Desktop /
home PCs and it should present tools so that any educated person ( not
a computer professional ) can install it,configure it and maintain it
for normal everyday uses where a Pc is more of a typing / publishing
machine and a great multimedia entertainer. I would like Linux distros
to see the requirement of this segment and cater to this and provide
good security / reliability in this environment. It has far higher
abilities which it can keep and augment for other segments of users. If
this is ensured, hardware makers will come to Linux with support, You
do not have to go beg.
A computer can be either a tool that is secure and headache free or full
of holes and a major pain. How many home users throw their hands up
when their computers start acting funny and call their "computer" friend
to help them. I have seen so many systems that have never updated their
systems or virus software. I have seen systems that don't even have
Now tell me how a typical home user cleans his registry file in Windows
other than doing a re-install? How many home users even have heard
about the registry? How many home users do a clean install once a
year. I have a friend that schedules a re-install each year. Yuk.
Last full install I made was on a brand new computer and on an old
computer when a HD failed.
Ease of use isn't the best in all cases. A stove is a handy tool but I
wouldn't let my daughter use it at her age. I will make sure she is
capable before using the stove. She can use the computer (linux) and
does on a daily basis. She can add icons to her desktop and tool bar.
She can play CD's and ogg/mp3 files. She doesn't have any email
One thing I will say about Linux over Windows is once it is configured,
it keeps working the way it is supposed to. With FC1, I have only had
one issue with sound and another with screensaver locking up the
terminal in 6 months. I had more problems with Win2kPro in less than 2
days just trying to install some software.
Security and safety precautions are fine but as everytool in the modern
world is getting complex and coplexer, not everybody can learn
everything and to use a tool,you should not be required to know all its
internal mechanisms. That's an unfair demand on the user. By your
response, I see we both diverge here. Security /safety of any tool
should be so designed as to enable / empower a normal intelligent
person in its usage.
I agree but in the terms of security, the tool should have limited
access. A gun is a tool that can provide security but in the wrong
hands it is very dangerous. A normal person can use a gun and doesn't
have to know how gun powder is made or anything about the firing pin or
trigger mechanism. A baseball bat can be a fun tool or a weapon in the
wrong hands. As I stated before, in the cases where a person cannot
configure the workings of his computer, hire someone to do it.
People hire service techs all the time. People hire furnace service
personal each year to do regular maintenance that any home owner
could/should be able to do. How about an oil change on a car? This is
an easy task but most people I know wouldn't even think about doing it.
For all those Windows people out there, they are in for a learning curve
when SP2 comes out. The security features are already reported to break
many applications. There are going to be alot of unhappy windows users
due to these changes. Microsoft is already putting notices out. Some
applications will not work with SP2. Security in Windows is going to
change the way "normal" people use their home computers. They are going
to have to learn more about the workings. Actually Windows is moving
more towards *nix all the time.
As stated in another article I read. Most peoples experience is with a
computer that comes pre-installed with Windows already configured.
Someone else has dealt with the driver issues. They don't have to
install anything to the hardware. When it comes to Linux, it is a user
that normally installs it. This is a major difference. Of course if
someone updates their hardware or has to do an install they may learn
I am sorry I could not write back earlier. I have also missed others who
would have said much valuable things. But, that is how my work is.
There is much truth in your and other gentlemen's examples and opinions.
My early difficulties with Fedora and other distributions of Linux
stemming from unfamiliarity was the source of much of bile. After the long
drawn discussions, my own perception has begun to change.In fact, I do not
any more feel like working in Linux. Especially after I could setup samba
and usb cd writing on my work pc, I feel more a part of it.Still I feel
when Linux recognises Desktop users as a separate and legitimate category
of users and attempts to meet their specific needs also, it will be better
and there are premonitions of such a Linux revolution already.
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