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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: OT Sorry!! (Alexander Dalloz)
   2. vpn on FC1 (Pierre De Boeck)
   3. Re: OT Sorry!! (Aaron Matteson)
   4. Re: vpn on FC1 (Alexander Dalloz)
   5. Re: Re: asus A7V600-X (david_pettersson at bredband.net)
   6. Re: new memory = more swap? (John Thompson)
   7. Re: vpn on FC1 (Brian Chase)
   8. Re: Able to scan but not print through hpoj (Philip A. Chapman)
   9. CD Writers and Yum Upgrading from FC1 to FC2 (Charles Curley)
  10. Re: OT Sorry!! (William Hooper)
  11. OpenGl Ati (Mike Atamas)
  12. RE: vpn on FC1 (Pierre De Boeck)
  13. Re: OT Sorry!! (Aaron Matteson)
  14. Re: DNS Woes (Mark Neidorff)
  15. Re: UptoDate (Wayde C. Gutman)
  16. Re: UptoDate (William Hooper)
  17. Re: How to unset up the firewall... :-) (Fabr?cio Santos)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:49:44 +0100
From: Alexander Dalloz <alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Am Sa, den 27.03.2004 schrieb Aaron Matteson um 21:31:

> The only frontend to yum that i know of is up2date, but i don't think
> that what you had in mind :)

up2date is NO yum frontend!

up2date can make use of yum repositories, that's all.

Alexander


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Fedora GNU/Linux Core 1 (Yarrow) on Athlon CPU kernel 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl
Sirendipity 21:48:48 up 8 days, 6:30, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.07
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:53:21 +0100
From: "Pierre De Boeck" <pierre.deboeck at skynet.be>
Subject: vpn on FC1
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Hi all,

We need secure remote access to a few TCP servers running
on our FC1 host. These include pop3,imap,pserver(cvs) and
telnetd. The clients are both based on XP and FC1.

I think that SSH is perfect for that task but I first want
to be sure that it will run fine on FC1.




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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:08:10 -0800
From: Aaron Matteson <fedora at cryptosystem.us>
Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Alexander Dalloz became daring and sent these 1.6K bytes,
> Am Sa, den 27.03.2004 schrieb Aaron Matteson um 21:31:
>
> > The only frontend to yum that i know of is up2date, but i don't think
> > that what you had in mind :)
>
> up2date is NO yum frontend!

The effect is still the same, no?

> up2date can make use of yum repositories, that's all.

Perhaps i am wrong, but i would call soemthing that makes use of another
somethings resources a front-end function. A front end makes use of a
service, not neccissarily a front-end to the application.

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:18:57 +0100
From: Alexander Dalloz <alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de>
Subject: Re: vpn on FC1
To: pierre.deboeck at skynet.be, For users of Fedora Core releases
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
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Am Sa, den 27.03.2004 schrieb Pierre De Boeck um 21:53:
> Hi all,
>
> We need secure remote access to a few TCP servers running
> on our FC1 host. These include pop3,imap,pserver(cvs) and
> telnetd. The clients are both based on XP and FC1.
>
> I think that SSH is perfect for that task but I first want
> to be sure that it will run fine on FC1.

Do you want VPN or SSH connect? SSH of course works without problems on
Fedora, both as server as well as client. You can use SSH for tunneling
too, as a "lightweight" VPN.

But I would highly recommend that you switch off every telnet daemon!
And just use POP3S and IMAPS instead of the normal daemons without
SSL/TLS encryption. Actual clients on Windows[tm] and Linux do support
these secured services.

Alexander


--
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Fedora GNU/Linux Core 1 (Yarrow) on Athlon CPU kernel 2.4.22-1.2174.nptl
Sirendipity 22:15:38 up 8 days, 6:57, load average: 0.11, 0.06, 0.06
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:23:01 +0000
From: <david_pettersson at bredband.net>
Subject: Re: Re: asus A7V600-X
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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>
> From: Alexander Dalloz <alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de>
> Date: 2004/03/27 lö PM 04:50:48 GMT
> To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
> Ämne: Re: asus A7V600-X
>
>

Thanks!

Now it works.

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:23:52 -0600
From: John Thompson <JohnThompson at new.rr.com>
Subject: Re: new memory = more swap?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20040327152352.0b7610b1 at starfleet.os2.dhs.org>
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:50:37 -0600
Kevin Krieser <kkrieser at lcisp.com> wrote:

> I have 1 GB RAM on my Linux box, and 2 GB swap (0 of which is used).
> But with 260GB of disk space on the computer, why not?  I may want to
> run a program that uses 2 GB sometime.

I'm sure that won't be a problem.  FWiW, I have 260GB disk space (5x47GB
RAID array and 2x20GB single drives) and have never used all the 256MB swap
partition I have.

--

-John (JohnThompson at new.rr.com)




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:30:53 -0500
From: Brian Chase <networkr0 at cfl.rr.com>
Subject: Re: vpn on FC1
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4065F28D.1070504 at cfl.rr.com>
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I agree, for selected services, just run the secure versions of IMAPS and
POP3S(993/995), and SSH(22) and open up the perspective ports on your
firewall.  Forget telnet, it's superceded by SSH.

If you find you're doing lots of other things that are inherently
insecure like XDCMP for X terminals between sites and need a VPN for
Fedora Core, I'd suggest OpenVPN.

http://openvpn.sourceforge.net/

Cheers,

Brian



If you find you need lo

Alexander Dalloz wrote:

> Am Sa, den 27.03.2004 schrieb Pierre De Boeck um 21:53:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>We need secure remote access to a few TCP servers running
>>on our FC1 host. These include pop3,imap,pserver(cvs) and
>>telnetd. The clients are both based on XP and FC1.
>>
>>I think that SSH is perfect for that task but I first want
>>to be sure that it will run fine on FC1.
>
>
> Do you want VPN or SSH connect? SSH of course works without problems on
> Fedora, both as server as well as client. You can use SSH for tunneling
> too, as a "lightweight" VPN.
>
> But I would highly recommend that you switch off every telnet daemon!
> And just use POP3S and IMAPS instead of the normal daemons without
> SSL/TLS encryption. Actual clients on Windows[tm] and Linux do support
> these secured services.
>
> Alexander
>
>
>

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:31:19 -0600
From: "Philip A. Chapman" <pchapman at pcsw.us>
Subject: Re: Able to scan but not print through hpoj
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1080423078.12641.4.camel at sage.pcsw.us>
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On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 10:52, Sarah Fish wrote:
> I have a psc 1210 that had the same problem.  first, Uninstall hpoj .90
> and get at least ver .91. I also uninstalled the sane front and back
> ends and xsane and obtained updated versions from the sane website.

Sarah

You got me on the right track, but I took a different path.  I
downloaded hpoj-0.91-2.i386.rpm, hpoj-devel-0.91-2.i386.rpm, and
xojpanel-091-2.i386.rpm from the Fedora Core 2 Test 1 packages.  I did
not download another version of sane, as the version I have seems to
already be the latest.  I did an rpm -U *.rpm.  I had to re-run
ptal-init setup; but otherwise it all works now.  Scanning and printing!

Thanks
--
Philip A. Chapman

Application Development:
Java, Visual Basic (MCP), PostgreSQL, MySQL, MSSQL
Linux, Windows 9x, Windows NT, Windows 2000, Windows XP
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:41:01 -0700
From: Charles Curley <charlescurley at charlescurley.com>
Subject: CD Writers and Yum Upgrading from FC1 to FC2
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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I used yum's upgrade option to upgrade a box from FC1 to FC2 test
1. It worked quite well except for the CD and CD-RW drives. This app
note describes the problem and how to fix it below. I have not checked
to see if an Anaconda upgrade or fresh installation requires this fix.

The problem is that CD-RWs require the ide-SCSI emulator under kernel
2.4, but that went away in the 2.6 kernel. A Yum upgrade does not make
the necessary changes.

Do the following:

* In your /boot/grub/grub.conf, remove any references to ide-scsi in
  stanzas for 2.6 kernels. My kernel stanza for 2.6.1 went from this
  (beware of line wrap):

  title Fedora Core (2.6.1-1.65)
    root (hd0,0)
    kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.1-1.65 ro root=LABEL=/ hdc=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi
    initrd /initrd-2.6.1-1.65.img

  to this:

  title Fedora Core (2.6.1-1.65)
    root (hd0,0)
    kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.1-1.65 ro root=LABEL=/
    initrd /initrd-2.6.1-1.65.img

* Fire up your CD-ROM burning software. I use xcdroast-0.98a14-2,
  which comes with FC2, so I'll give instructions for that. In
  "Setup", rescan your hardware. Save the configuration. You may get a
  pop-up window complaining that IDE devices are slow. Oh well.

That should do it. Try burning a CD-RW to verify that everything is
working correctly.

If you run "cdrecord -scanbus", it will fail and complain. It works
anyway when you use xcdroast as a front end.

For more information on how to perform an upgrade using yum, see "Some
Notes on yum Repositories", http://www.charlescurley.com/yum.html

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:51:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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Aaron Matteson said:
>
>> up2date can make use of yum repositories, that's all.
>
> Perhaps i am wrong, but i would call soemthing that makes use of another
> somethings resources a front-end function.

So up2date is a front end to apt?

> A front end makes use of a
> service, not neccissarily a front-end to the application.

You have a weird definition of "front-end".  You would say Mozilla is a
httpd "front-end"?  Or Samba is a Win2000 "front-end"?

Up2date can use apt or yum repositories, but uses neither the apt or yum
program.

--
William Hooper




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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:07:54 -0500
From: Mike Atamas <psychomohel at comcast.net>
Subject: OpenGl Ati
To: Fedora List <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <4065FB3A.3010503 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

I am using the properiety ati drivers. When I installed them everything
worked fine. Now it tells me Error: couldn't get fbconfig when I try to
run fgl_glxgears and all opengl things barely crawl. What is the problem?

Thanks
Mike
psychomohel at comcast.net




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:29:34 +0100
From: "Pierre De Boeck" <pierre.deboeck at skynet.be>
Subject: RE: vpn on FC1
To: "Alexander Dalloz" <alexander.dalloz at uni-bielefeld.de>,
<pierre.deboeck at skynet.be>, "For users of Fedora Core releases"
<fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <FOEMJNHPBPCDOPEBOPOMGEFJFAAA.pierre.deboeck at skynet.be>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

> Do you want VPN or SSH connect? SSH of course works without problems on
> Fedora, both as server as well as client. You can use SSH for tunneling
> too, as a "lightweight" VPN.
>
> But I would highly recommend that you switch off every telnet daemon!
> And just use POP3S and IMAPS instead of the normal daemons without
> SSL/TLS encryption. Actual clients on Windows[tm] and Linux do support
> these secured services.

I suppose that the S version are just the normal one over a
TLS channel, with Client authentication.

But I thought about SSH and a secure telnet for remote management
like password changes.




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:38:28 -0800
From: Aaron Matteson <fedora at cryptosystem.us>
Subject: Re: OT Sorry!!
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20040327223828.15748.qmail at mail.avlug.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

William Hooper became daring and sent these 0.7K bytes,
>
> Aaron Matteson said:
> >
> >> up2date can make use of yum repositories, that's all.
> >
> > Perhaps i am wrong, but i would call soemthing that makes use of another
> > somethings resources a front-end function.
>
> So up2date is a front end to apt?
>
> > A front end makes use of a
> > service, not neccissarily a front-end to the application.
>
> You have a weird definition of "front-end".  You would say Mozilla is a
> httpd "front-end"?  Or Samba is a Win2000 "front-end"?
>
> Up2date can use apt or yum repositories, but uses neither the apt or yum
> program.

Ok, my opinions seem to have been pretty skewed lately, sorry for the
problems, i guess i need more sleep.

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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:54:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark Neidorff <mark at neidorff.com>
Subject: Re: DNS Woes
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403271751260.12837-100000 at neidorff.com>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

There is a lot of information missing here.

I assuming you are using fedora.
Are you using webmin?
What happens when you run (as root) route -n ? Is your gateway listed? Is
it correct?

Lets start there.

Mark

On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 stucklenp at charter.net wrote:

> I have a challenge: since running "yum update" and blindly  accepting all
the packages and then rebooting, I have not been able to get my Fedora box
on the Web.  Since that system is my firewall box it is really important
that I get it running again. Note that I get the same symptoms with or
without the firewall running.
>
> The NIC is configured to "Automatically obtain IP address settings with
DHCP" and "Automatically obtain DNS information from provider" (I have tried
manually setting DNS addresses as well.)
>
> When the network service is started, the NIC does get a valid IP from the
ISP, as verified by the ISP.  As well, I see the lease information in the
messages log.
> "...dhclient: bound to <myIP> -- renual in 13961 seconds...
> ifup: done...
> network: Bringing up interface etho: succeeded"
>
>
> Other Symptoms:
> ping <external IP> results in "Destination port Unreachable."
> ping <leased IP> Works fine.
>
> Redhat Network Configuration show the NIC active and "ok"
> resolve.conf contains the correct IPs for the ISP's DNS servers.
>
> To add insult to injury, when I plug my Windoze box into the cable modem
and set its IP to use DHCP, I have no problem attaching to the Web.
>
> Any ideas as to how I can resolve this?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>

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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:23:28 -0700
From: "Wayde C. Gutman" <waydecgutman at robsoncom.net>
Subject: Re: UptoDate
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <40660CF0.9020701 at robsoncom.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

 From my understanding, uptodate is for Red Hats's .rpm and apt-get is
for Debian's .deb packages, and Slackware uses the old .tar.gz/.tgz type
of packages. Not really interchangeable, although, the .tar.gz/.tgz
packages could be called universal if you don't mind the
./configure>./make>./make install routine that goes along with it. There
is a tool called Alien that is used to install .rpm packages on a .deb
based distro and vice versa.




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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:28:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "William Hooper" <whooperhsd3 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: UptoDate
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <64629.65.41.50.216.1080430122.squirrel at 65.41.50.216>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1


Wayde C. Gutman said:
>  From my understanding, uptodate is for Red Hats's .rpm and apt-get is
> for Debian's .deb packages,

Apt has been ported to RPM based systems for a while now.

--
William Hooper




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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:41:20 +0100
From: Fabr?cio Santos <fabricio.santos at quicknet.nl>
Subject: Re: How to unset up the firewall... :-)
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
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Viva Alexander,

Thanks for your answer.

> Please, do NOT send HTML to the list!

Your wish is my command... I couldn't find the option for doing so in Yahoo
mail so here I go with my home email...

> Is your Fedora machine a router for you or behind a router?
> Is then SSH and HTTPD running directly connected to the
> net or behind a router?

Fedora is behind the router. Hence the packet trace showing a source IP on
the internet 13.13.13.13 and the destination 192.168.1.1 as port forwarding
had already been applied. It may be a bit confusing but my router is not
192.168.1.1... :-) It was the router before I got myself a wireless router
switch and it kept using that same IP after that.

> You can check which iptables rules are active by issuing the command
> "iptables -L -v -n". If you run a "service iptables stop" then under
> default circumstances there should be no rule left and filtering.
>
> Alexander

I didn't really look at the iptables man page but when I try the command you
gave me I believe everything seems to be ok and all kinds of traffic should
be accepted:

===============================================
[root at somehost root]# iptables -L -v -n
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
 pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source
destination

Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
 pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source
destination

Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
 pkts bytes target     prot opt in     out     source
destination
===============================================

But nevertheless connects are still not responded too (using tethereal this
time as the output is more readable):

===============================================
[root at somehost root]# tethereal -n port 8080
Capturing on eth0
  0.000000 13.13.13.13 -> 192.168.1.1  TCP 42443 > 8080 [SYN] Seq=953358288
Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0
  2.994874 13.13.13.13 -> 192.168.1.1  TCP 42443 > 8080 [SYN] Seq=953358288
Ack=0 Win=5840 Len=0
===============================================

If I stop iptables using the init.d script:

===============================================
[root at somehost root]# /etc/init.d/iptables stop
Flushing firewall rules:                                   [  OK  ]
Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: filter                    [  OK  ]
Unloading iptables modules:                                [  OK  ]
===============================================

I still get the same result and no answer to the TCP SYNs. Now, if I try it
from inside my network it works fine:

===============================================
[root at somehost root]# tethereal port 8080
Capturing on eth0
  0.000000  192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.1  TCP 1958 > webcache [SYN]
Seq=1296792560 Ack=0 Win=64512 Len=0
  0.000142  192.168.1.1 -> 192.168.1.2  TCP webcache > 1958 [SYN, ACK]
Seq=947748956 Ack=1296792561 Win=5840 Len=0
  0.000328  192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.1  TCP 1958 > webcache [ACK]
Seq=1296792561 Ack=947748957 Win=64512 Len=0
  0.000686  192.168.1.2 -> 192.168.1.1  HTTP GET /ddb/ HTTP/1.1
  ...
===============================================

 In this set of examples I used HTTP for testing and only change I did to
the HTTPD config was adding this virtual host session to the end of
httpd.conf:

===============================================
NameVirtualHost 192.168.1.1:8080

<VirtualHost 192.168.1.1:8080>
    ServerAdmin fabricio.santos at quicknet.nl
    DocumentRoot /var/www/html/somehost
    ServerName somehost.homeip.net
    ServerAlias somehost.homeip.net
    ErrorLog logs/somehost.homeip.net-error_log
    CustomLog logs/somehost.homeip.net-access_log common
</VirtualHost>
===============================================

And besides I get the same result when using SSH on port 6666. For SSH the
only change I did was to add a line in the /etc/init.d/sshd script:

===============================================
OPTIONS="-p 6666"
===============================================

I'm really clueless here... :-/ so thanks in advance for any help.

PS. I hope formating will be ok now... O:-) And sorry for the long email.

-fs




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