Slashdotted - XP dual boot issue

[Jeff Vian]

Dan Haines wrote:

>I dont get it.
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>If youre planning on building a house, you need to research how to do it
>properly.
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>If youre planning on getting a drivers license, in most cases, you need
>to research how to do it properly.
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>If youre planning on dual booting, you need to research how to do it
>properly.
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>If these people had researched dual booting, they would have EASILY
>found documentation stating that after you apply FC to an already
>Windozed machine, you need to edit your bootloader (grub in most cases)
>to tell it where Windoze lives.
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>Youre totally right Marcus.  People just need to be friendly, and
>helpful, and give answers when a poor little newbie comes to the list
>begging for help with his dual boot machine.  Alot of people start using
>linux every day, if the first thing they get when they need help is BAD
>attitudes, then thats not going to be helpful for the community, is it?
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>But in saying that, those people also need to have a clue, and do a bit
>of research first.
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Bravo Dan!

The frequent attitude of "Please guide me,  I am helpless" is exactly 
what I personally feel is at fault with most of the 'bad attitude' 
responses people get here.  

Overall most of the users on this list do (at least some) research and 
then ask a specific question that is relatively easy to answer.  Those 
who do nothing to help themselves and still ask where the door is, are 
the ones who cause the bad attitude responses.  I feel that anyone 
asking a question on *any* mailing list should follow your guidelines 
and do some advance planning and research on their own.  In most cases 
they can find the answer already given in an earlier discussion, and 
would cut down dramatically on the clutter here.

In defense of those whose attitudes seem bad to some,  It is very tiring 
and frustrating to see the same question asked and answered repeatedly, 
sometimes several times a week.  Compare this list to a school.  Does 
the teacher answer every question?  NO, they guide the student to 
finding the answer.  This is what we should be doing, NOT providing 
*all* the answers for no effort from the one who asks.


Although I want the Linux community to grow, and make a signifigant cut 
into the profits of the monopolist, I want it to do so without breaking 
the willingness to give of the many who support our community.  Whiners 
and cryers who fail to take responsibility and make a personal effort 
can do that.

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>On Sun, 23 May 2004 14:27:26 -0400
>"Marcus Sattler" <msattler at adelphia.net> wrote:
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>>I agree.
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>>I was dual booting fine with XP Home and Red Hat 9.0.
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>>Then I reinstalled Fedora Core 1.
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>>Then I reinstalled Fedora Core 2.
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>>Some people just don't have the common sense and troubleshooting
>>skills that other's have.  Which is why  we see the traffic we do on
>>this mailing list. As hard as it is sometimes, ya just gotta bite your
>>lip and try and help them out.
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>>-Marcus
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dave Rinker" <drinker at dsrtech.com>
>>To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 2:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: Slashdotted - XP dual boot issue
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>>>I had successfully put FC2 on a dual boot XP laptop.
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>>>I did have SuSE 9.1 on this laptop then blew it away to try FC2.
>>>Maybe this had something to do with the load success......
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>>>On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 14:09, Rory Gleeson wrote:
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>>>>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/05/23/1448209
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>>>>Slashdotted.  Not good.
>>>>
>>>>Guess those Fedora users "whining" about this issue on this list
>>>>had a point about how it could play out in the Linux community.
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>>>>I guess this is where we get to hear the words, "hobbyist" and
>>>>"project" again. And, I guess we'll get to read about how it's an
>>>>MS problem and how newbies and Window-users shouldn't be using
>>>>Fedora if they want to migrate to Linux and only have themselves
>>>>to blame if they encounter this problem.
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