fedora-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 358 (Out of office reply.)

Jon Mansfield Jon.Mansfield at outrightltd.com
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Today's Topics:

   1. patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1 (Jack Howarth)
   2. Re: patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1 (Remi COLLET)
   3. Re: patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1 (Remi COLLET)
   4. Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
      (Markku Kolkka)
   5. Linux builds for PowerPC? (Adam Boettiger)
   6. Re: Squid Performance - Default Options Tweak? (Rodolfo J. Paiz)
   7. Firefox 1.0 RC1 in Fedora Extras? (D. D. Brierton)
   8. Re: Linux builds for PowerPC? (D. D. Brierton)
   9. Re: Need Help - Postfix, imap, pop, spamassissan, clamav,
      webmail (Volker Kindermann)
  10. java time (Vano Beridze)
  11. Re: Linux builds for PowerPC? (Adam Boettiger)
  12. Re: Firefox 1.0 RC1 in Fedora Extras? (Michael Schwendt)
  13. Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
      (C. Linus Hicks)
  14. Re: java time (Ernie McCracken)
  15. Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
      (Michael Schwendt)
  16. Re:  java time (Mike Markiw III)
  17. Re: java time (Kevin J. Cummings)
  18. Re: java time (Christopher K. Johnson)
  19. Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
      (Rodolfo J. Paiz)
  20. Re: Linux builds for PowerPC? (Tarun Reddy)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:04:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: howarth at bromo.msbb.uc.edu (Jack Howarth)
Subject: patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <20041029170409.2E92C1DC24E at bromo.msbb.uc.edu>

    Are there any patches available yet to allow the kernel
modules from the ATI non-free drivers (fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1.i386.rpm)
to be built on current Fedora Core 2? Thanks in advance for any
information. 
         Jack
ps The site where I found the fc2 patches for the fglrx drivers
doesn't have anything newer than patches for fglrx-4.3.0-3.9.0.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:23:51 +0200
From: Remi COLLET <liste at famillecollet.com>
Subject: Re: patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <41827CA7.1020109 at famillecollet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Jack Howarth a écrit :
>     Are there any patches available yet to allow the kernel
> modules from the ATI non-free drivers (fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1.i386.rpm)
> to be built on current Fedora Core 2? Thanks in advance for any
> information. 
>          Jack
> ps The site where I found the fc2 patches for the fglrx drivers
> doesn't have anything newer than patches for fglrx-4.3.0-3.9.0.
> 

Visit : http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/

You'll find a patch for lastest version.

Remi.



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:27:59 +0200
From: Remi COLLET <liste at famillecollet.com>
Subject: Re: patches for fglrx 4.3.0-3.14.1
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <41827D9F.8060600 at famillecollet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Remi COLLET a écrit :
> Jack Howarth a écrit :
> 
>>     Are there any patches available yet to allow the kernel
>> modules from the ATI non-free drivers (fglrx-4.3.0-3.14.1.i386.rpm)
>> to be built on current Fedora Core 2? Thanks in advance for any
>> information.          Jack
>> ps The site where I found the fc2 patches for the fglrx drivers
>> doesn't have anything newer than patches for fglrx-4.3.0-3.9.0.
>>
> 
> Visit : http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/
> 
> You'll find a patch for lastest version.
> 
> Remi.
> 
Ooooups.
http://www.stanford.edu/~fenn/linux/fglrx-3.14.1-fc2.patch

Or (i post here the one as use as it is very small)


diff -Nru build_mod.orig/2.6.x/Makefile build_mod/2.6.x/Makefile
--- build_mod.orig/2.6.x/Makefile	2004-08-05 23:06:07.709571464 +0200
+++ build_mod/2.6.x/Makefile	2004-08-05 23:06:35.673320328 +0200
@@ -11,7 +11,7 @@
  endif

  EXTRA_CFLAGS    += \
-                -Idrivers/char/drm/ \
+                -I$(DRMINCLUDES) \
                  -D__AGP__ \
                  -DFGL \
                  -DFGL_LINUX \
diff -Nru build_mod.orig/make.sh build_mod/make.sh
--- build_mod.orig/make.sh	2004-08-05 23:06:07.708571616 +0200
+++ build_mod/make.sh	2004-08-05 23:06:37.253080168 +0200
@@ -180,6 +180,11 @@
  drmincludes=${linuxincludes}/../drivers/char/drm
  #drmincludes=/usr/local/src/dripkg/drm

+# Fedora Core 2 work around
+if [ ! -e "/usr/src/linux" ] && [ -d "/usr/src/linux-${uname_r}" ]; then
+  drmincludes=/usr/src/linux-${uname_r}/drivers/char/drm
+fi
+
  # since kernel 2.4.8 the X4.1.0 drm kernel module headers are part
  # of the kernel build environment - check dir and expected files.

@@ -993,7 +998,7 @@
  if [ $kernel_is_26x -gt 0 ]; then
      echo "doing Makefile based build for kernel 2.6.x and higher"   | 
tee -a $logfile
      cd 2.6.x
-    make PAGE_ATTR_FIX=$PAGE_ATTR_FIX 2>&1                          | 
tee -a $logfile
+    make PAGE_ATTR_FIX=$PAGE_ATTR_FIX DRMINCLUDES=$drmincludes 2>&1 | 
tee -a $logfile
      res=$?
      cd ..
      if [ $res -eq 0 ]; then



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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:31:36 +0300
From: Markku Kolkka <markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi>
Subject: Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <200410292031.36632.markkukolkka at kolumbus.fi>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

C. Linus Hicks kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 29. 
lokakuuta 2004 18:47):
> I just noticed on the http://rpm.livna.org page this message:
>
> "The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat necessitated the
> removal of certain problematic packages (including but not
> limited to mplayer, xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to
> licensing issues or US software patent."

Did you notice the next paragraph of text on the same site? The 
one that starts: "The open community of volunteers gathered in 
rpm.livna.org will continue to maintain those packages..."

-- 
 Markku Kolkka
 markku.kolkka at iki.fi



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:33:32 -0700
From: Adam Boettiger <adam.boettiger at pobox.com>
Subject: Linux builds for PowerPC?
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <41827EEC.1060208 at pobox.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Is Linux Fedora compatible with the PowerPC?

I have a G4 Mac Tibook with a 60G drive that I want to dual partition 
OSX with Linux. If Fedora is not PowerPC compatible, what are some other 
  builds that are?

Also, is there a site or list somewhere that lists all of the Linux 
builds and the number of software titles available for each or that 
ranks them by popularity or something? I know this is an open-ended 
question and choosing a build is very much a personal decision, but 
would be nice to know what others are installing with similar platforms.

TIA,

/AB



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:37:52 -0600
From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz at simpaticus.com>
Subject: Re: Squid Performance - Default Options Tweak?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1099071473.3370.2.camel at ip99.gt.factorrent.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:22 +0700, Kh Linux wrote:
> Dear all:
> 
> I am installing Squid on RedHat 9 out of the Distro CDs on a Dell PowerEdge
> 1300 Server, Pentium III RAM 256MB. I've been trying it out for 1 week now
> with the default options. It seems very slow.
> 

Don't install old software. Move to Fedora Core, and I suggest you move
to Fedora Core 3 which will be released on November 8th.

Note that everything you do will be slow if you are saturating 1 Mbps.
Find out what is wrong with that first. Also, try not forwarding DNS
queries to your ISP.

Remember, the software you are using was declared at "End Of Life" more
than six months ago. You are going to find it difficult to get help. Did
you at least make sure to install *all* patches and upgrades available
for your operating system?

Cheers,

-- 
Rodolfo J. Paiz <rpaiz at simpaticus.com>
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:42:55 +0100
From: "D. D. Brierton" <darren at dzr-web.com>
Subject: Firefox 1.0 RC1 in Fedora Extras?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1099071775.25732.168.camel at excession.dzr>
Content-Type: text/plain

I can't seem to work out where the Fedora Extras mailing lists have been
moved to. I was trying to find out what the status of the Firefox builds
for FC2 was. Have they stopped because Firefox will be in FC3? The only
discussion I could find was this bugzilla entry:

https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=2032

the last comment on which was made on 3rd October. That bugzilla report
concerns Firefox 1.0 PR1 which as far as I can tell never made it into
stable because of various problems (extensions and themes not
installing, plugins path, etc.). I'm still on 0.9.3.

As I don't plan to upgrade to FC3 until it's been out for at least a
month or so but am now using Firefox as my default browser for
everything (browsing and development work) I certainly have an interest
in seeing Firefox packages released for FC2. Any suggestions?

Best, Darren

P.S. I know I can download Firefox direct from Mozilla.org but I was
interested in builds for FC that could be managed with yum.

-- 
=====================================================================
D. D. Brierton            darren at dzr-web.com          www.dzr-web.com
       Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson)
=====================================================================



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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:53:43 +0100
From: "D. D. Brierton" <darren at dzr-web.com>
Subject: Re: Linux builds for PowerPC?
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <1099072422.25732.179.camel at excession.dzr>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:33, Adam Boettiger wrote:
> Is Linux Fedora compatible with the PowerPC?

There are builds of Fedora Core for PPC but I don't know how stable they
are. Currently PPC is not an officially supported platform of FC. The
package tree for PPC is here:

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ppc/

I can't seem to find any ISOs you can dowload though.

> I have a G4 Mac Tibook with a 60G drive that I want to dual partition 
> OSX with Linux. If Fedora is not PowerPC compatible, what are some other 
>   builds that are?

Yellow Dog Linux (you'll need to google that) is a port of Fedora Core
to PPC. It seems to be well-regarded. I have recently heard very good
reports of Ubuntu (Debian based distribution) on PPC.

Here is a review of Ubuntu on Mac:

http://www.ppcnerds.org/Article207.html

You can download Ubuntu from here:

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/

Best, Darren

-- 
=====================================================================
D. D. Brierton            darren at dzr-web.com          www.dzr-web.com
       Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson)
=====================================================================



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:06:54 +0200
From: Volker Kindermann <ml at ps102.de>
Subject: Re: Need Help - Postfix, imap, pop, spamassissan, clamav,
	webmail
To: rick at workcity.ca,	For users of Fedora Core releases
	<fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20041029200654.31b3d5a2 at ariel.office.volker.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Rick,


> I want to set up an e-mail server that can serve up the mail for multiple
> domains.  I was trying to install postfix with mysql, courier-imap,
> spamassissin, clamav, and webmail support.  

there's a good documentation for OpenBSD online:

http://www.flakshack.com/anti-spam/

It is not too hard to transform this to Fedora, I installed a similar system on Red Hat 9 some months ago.

This tutorial will explain the postfix, spamassassin, clamav (addendum) part.

For courier-imap I followed the documentation on the website, webmail is best done with sqwebmail (fits better with courier than other webmailpackages).

If you have concrete problems by following the tutorial, feel free to ask again, if you prefer do it per private mail.

 -volker



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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:06:48 +0400
From: Vano Beridze <vano.beridze at silkroad.ge>
Subject: java time
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <418286B8.6090000 at silkroad.ge>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello

I've got Fedora Core 2
kernel 2.6.8

if I run a command date
it gives me the output
Fri Oct 29 22:03:50 GEST 2004

but If I compile and run a simple java program (with jdk1.4.2 or jdk1.5)

public class A
{
    public static void main(String[] args)
    {
       System.out.println(new java.util.Date());
    }
}

it gives me the output
Fri Oct 29 23:03:50 GEST 2004

I'm sure it's a fedora problem, because I did not have that problems on 
Core 1 or previous releases.

What should I do?

Thank you

-- 
Vano Beridze
Software Developer
Silk Road Group S.A.




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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:04:54 -0700
From: Adam Boettiger <adam.boettiger at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: Linux builds for PowerPC?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <41828646.10806 at pobox.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Thanks Darren. In doing research I saw that Debian (the core 
build) has a version that is PPC compatible. Is there any 
reason why I would not use Debian over Ubuntu?

D. D. Brierton wrote:
> to PPC. It seems to be well-regarded. I have recently heard very good
> reports of Ubuntu (Debian based distribution) on PPC.



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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:12:16 +0200
From: Michael Schwendt <fedora at wir-sind-cool.org>
Subject: Re: Firefox 1.0 RC1 in Fedora Extras?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20041029201216.5b06de96.fedora at wir-sind-cool.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:42:55 +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote:

> I can't seem to work out where the Fedora Extras mailing lists have been
> moved to.

fedora-devel-list at redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list

Unless announced otherwise in the future.

> I was trying to find out what the status of the Firefox builds
> for FC2 was. Have they stopped because Firefox will be in FC3?

No. Firefox for FC2 remains an extra package.

> The only
> discussion I could find was this bugzilla entry:
> 
> https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=2032

... and it's flagged NEEDSWORK, which also means that help is more
than welcome. Reading through the bugzilla comments should give a
picture why the developers are not happy with their package or where
they encountered problems.

-- 
Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541
loadavg: 1.55 1.40 1.64



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Message: 13
Date: 29 Oct 2004 14:17:46 -0400
From: "C. Linus Hicks" <lhicks at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1099073866.930.52.camel at lh2.linush.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:31, Markku Kolkka wrote:
> C. Linus Hicks kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 29. 
> lokakuuta 2004 18:47):
> > I just noticed on the http://rpm.livna.org page this message:
> >
> > "The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat necessitated the
> > removal of certain problematic packages (including but not
> > limited to mplayer, xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to
> > licensing issues or US software patent."
> 
> Did you notice the next paragraph of text on the same site? The 
> one that starts: "The open community of volunteers gathered in 
> rpm.livna.org will continue to maintain those packages..."

Yeah, so I'm curious how they plan to resolve the obvious conflict
between those two statements. The first statement says "necessitated the
removal..." and if that's true, how do you then make available things
that have been removed from their site? Are they planning on starting a
new repository?

However, if you look in their repository, xmms-mp3 is still there, so
the first statement seems to be a lie.

-- 
C. Linus Hicks <lhicks at nc.rr.com>



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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:21:37 -0400
From: Ernie McCracken <holycrap at cavtel.net>
Subject: Re: java time
To: fedora-list at redhat.com
Message-ID: <20041029182136.GB16137 at darkfish.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:06:48PM +0400, Vano Beridze wrote:
> if I run a command date
> it gives me the output
> Fri Oct 29 22:03:50 GEST 2004
> 
> but If I compile and run a simple java program (with jdk1.4.2 or jdk1.5)
> 
> it gives me the output
> Fri Oct 29 23:03:50 GEST 2004
> 

Is it just me, or are the output of both the "date" command and the java
program exactly the same? :-)




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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:29:19 +0200
From: Michael Schwendt <fedora at wir-sind-cool.org>
Subject: Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <20041029202919.28461a2f.fedora at wir-sind-cool.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On 29 Oct 2004 14:17:46 -0400, C. Linus Hicks wrote:

> > > I just noticed on the http://rpm.livna.org page this message:
> > >
> > > "The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat necessitated the
> > > removal of certain problematic packages (including but not
> > > limited to mplayer, xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to
> > > licensing issues or US software patent."
> > 
> > Did you notice the next paragraph of text on the same site? The 
> > one that starts: "The open community of volunteers gathered in 
> > rpm.livna.org will continue to maintain those packages..."
> 
> Yeah, so I'm curious how they plan to resolve the obvious conflict
> between those two statements. The first statement says "necessitated the
> removal..." and if that's true, how do you then make available things
> that have been removed from their site? Are they planning on starting a
> new repository?

Not "their site", but fedora.us' site. You misunderstand the text.
rpm.livna.org originated in fedora.us and continues to maintain
packages which are not permitted to exist in Fedora Extras or Fedora
Core.

-- 
Fedora Core release 2 (Tettnang) - Linux 2.6.8-1.541
loadavg: 2.97 2.43 2.00



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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:28:24 +0000
From: "Mike Markiw III" <mmarkiw at speakeasy.net>
Subject: Re:  java time
To: "For users of Fedora Core releases" <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <W7432130221204391099074504 at webmail2>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ernie McCracken [mailto:holycrap at cavtel.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 06:21 PM
> To: fedora-list at redhat.com
> Subject: Re: java time
> 
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:06:48PM +0400, Vano Beridze wrote:
> > if I run a command date
> > it gives me the output
> > Fri Oct 29 22:03:50 GEST 2004
> > 
> > but If I compile and run a simple java program (with jdk1.4.2 or jdk1.5)
> > 
> > it gives me the output
> > Fri Oct 29 23:03:50 GEST 2004
> > 
> 
> Is it just me, or are the output of both the "date" command and the java
> program exactly the same? :-)

Close, but no cigar ;-)  The hours are different by 1 (22 hundred hours vs. 23 hundred hours).  I would check to see if the daylight savings time settings are the reason.  With a difference of only one hour, it seems like a strange but possible culprit.  Just a thought.

-Mike





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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:28:38 -0400
From: "Kevin J. Cummings" <cummings at kjchome.homeip.net>
Subject: Re: java time
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <41828BD6.1080107 at kjchome.homeip.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Ernie McCracken wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:06:48PM +0400, Vano Beridze wrote:
> 
>>if I run a command date
>>it gives me the output
>>Fri Oct 29 22:03:50 GEST 2004
>>
>>but If I compile and run a simple java program (with jdk1.4.2 or jdk1.5)
>>
>>it gives me the output
>>Fri Oct 29 23:03:50 GEST 2004
>>
> 
> 
> Is it just me, or are the output of both the "date" command and the java
> program exactly the same? :-)

Its just you, they were run exactly 1 hour apart.   B^)

-- 
Kevin J. Cummings
kjchome at rcn.com
cummings at kjchome.homeip.net
cummings at kjc386.framingham.ma.us



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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:30:34 -0400
From: "Christopher K. Johnson" <ckjohnson at gwi.net>
Subject: Re: java time
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <41828C4A.30302 at gwi.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Ernie McCracken wrote:

>On Fri, Oct 29, 2004 at 10:06:48PM +0400, Vano Beridze wrote:
>  
>
>>if I run a command date
>>it gives me the output
>>Fri Oct 29 22:03:50 GEST 2004
>>
>>but If I compile and run a simple java program (with jdk1.4.2 or jdk1.5)
>>
>>it gives me the output
>>Fri Oct 29 23:03:50 GEST 2004
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Is it just me, or are the output of both the "date" command and the java
>program exactly the same? :-)
>
>
>  
>
They differ by an hour.  What does the java program source look like?

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
   "Spend less!  Do more!  Go Open Source..." -- Dirigo.net
   Chris Johnson, RHCE #807000448202021



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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:30:53 -0600
From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz at simpaticus.com>
Subject: Re: About "How do I make XMMS play MP3s?" from a new comer
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
Message-ID: <1099074653.3370.10.camel at ip99.gt.factorrent.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 14:17 -0400, C. Linus Hicks wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 13:31, Markku Kolkka wrote:
> > C. Linus Hicks kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika perjantai, 29. 
> > lokakuuta 2004 18:47):
> > > I just noticed on the http://rpm.livna.org page this message:
> > >
> > > "The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat necessitated the
> > > removal of certain problematic packages (including but not
> > > limited to mplayer, xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to
> > > licensing issues or US software patent."
> > 
> > Did you notice the next paragraph of text on the same site? The 
> > one that starts: "The open community of volunteers gathered in 
> > rpm.livna.org will continue to maintain those packages..."
> 
> Yeah, so I'm curious how they plan to resolve the obvious conflict
> between those two statements. The first statement says "necessitated the
> removal..." and if that's true, how do you then make available things
> that have been removed from their site? Are they planning on starting a
> new repository?
> 
> However, if you look in their repository, xmms-mp3 is still there, so
> the first statement seems to be a lie.
> 

Quoted in full to keep context.

Calling people liars is not going to make you any friends, especially
when you're operating from ignorance. Notice the text is very clear:

"The merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat" necessitated the removal of
some packages from Fedora.us. Those packages were removed from
Fedora.us. The fact that you saw this news item on a Livna.org page
means nothing... Fedora.us had to remove some packages, and they did.

Fedora.us has no relationship to Livna, which is in another country and
not subject to the same laws. So Livna has no such need to remove those
packages, and didn't. You'll find xmms-mp3 on Livna, where it's legal,
and not on Fedora.us, where it's not.

There are no lies... there is simply your inability to read and keep
your facts straight.

-- 
Rodolfo J. Paiz <rpaiz at simpaticus.com>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:35:54 -0600
From: Tarun Reddy <treddy at tarun.homeip.net>
Subject: Re: Linux builds for PowerPC?
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list at redhat.com>
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To install Fedora on PPC, check out

http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/ibook/fedorappc.html

Tarun

On Oct 29, 2004, at 11:53 AM, D. D. Brierton wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 18:33, Adam Boettiger wrote:
>> Is Linux Fedora compatible with the PowerPC?
>
> There are builds of Fedora Core for PPC but I don't know how stable  
> they
> are. Currently PPC is not an officially supported platform of FC. The
> package tree for PPC is here:
>
> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/development/ 
> ppc/
>
> I can't seem to find any ISOs you can dowload though.
>
>> I have a G4 Mac Tibook with a 60G drive that I want to dual partition
>> OSX with Linux. If Fedora is not PowerPC compatible, what are some  
>> other
>>   builds that are?
>
> Yellow Dog Linux (you'll need to google that) is a port of Fedora Core
> to PPC. It seems to be well-regarded. I have recently heard very good
> reports of Ubuntu (Debian based distribution) on PPC.
>
> Here is a review of Ubuntu on Mac:
>
> http://www.ppcnerds.org/Article207.html
>
> You can download Ubuntu from here:
>
> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/
>
> Best, Darren
>
> -- 
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