Where is the IPTABLES rule set?
Bob Kryger
bobk at panix.com
Thu Dec 1 17:56:08 UTC 2005
In general a nice idea and I agree. Especially w/ the GUI builders and
the single user/desktop centered interfaces of many GUIs.
I did get a kick out of the smit 'running man' especially when he fell
on his face.
Frankly I only used smit for the first time i needed to do something or
for infrequent tasks that i could not remember the command for.
bob
Bill Rugolsky Jr. wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 11:51:30AM -0500, Bob Kryger wrote:
>
>
>>I never use the GUIs. I don't feel that, in general, they give you the
>>functions and control you need. Nor is using a GUI good for learning
>>what is really going on in the system, and how to properly and
>>effectively admin a system.
>>
>>
>
>I am aghast that we have gone backwards from AIX "smit" and Linuxconf
>in earlier (Red Hat!) distros. A GUI configuration tool should:
>
> 1. Have a command line interface.
>
> 2. Generate a script log that shows the exact commands required
> to reproduce the changes, and can be massaged through light editing
> to abstract it. [By "exact" I mean, restore your system to the
> snapshot taken before running the tool, run the script through
> the command-line interface, and it should reproduce the exact
> same result.]
>
> 3. Provide an optional list of every configuration file that has
> been touched by an operation.
>
> 4. Integrate with a revision control system, so that the
> history of configuration changes is recorded somewhere.
>
> ...
>
>This is not rocket science at all(*), but unfortunately people who are
>"good" GUI developers never grokked Unix (or Plan 9!), and think that
>the whole world is a single !@#$% desktop machine. So we get Windows
>95 running over a POSIX core. Lovely. :-(
>
>Please, someone prove me wrong! Point me to an active project that
>aims to satisfy any of the above criteria; I'm not out there actively
>looking, so perhaps such a beast exists.
>
> -Bill
>
>(*) The "rocket science" is in having applications respond to dynamic
> updates, using, e.g., Gconf. I grant that this is an order-of-magnitude
> more difficult.
>
>
>
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