FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!
Edward Yang
neo_in_matrix at fastmail.fm
Thu Jan 27 09:30:53 UTC 2005
Dan Trainor wrote:
> Edward Yang wrote:
>
>> Dan Trainor wrote:
>>
>>> John Wendel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Edward Yang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for replying. Though it's quite off the topic to discuss
>>>>> what a troll is, but I apparently see many people in Linux
>>>>> community likes calling someone else *troll*.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS NOT A TROLL
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with Edward Yang about memory usage, though I can't
>>>> comment about Windows. I have been using Linux for 5 years and I'm
>>>> really disturbed by the memory bloat in the current crop of desktop
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I've got one box that has 128 MB of memory. I normally use it for
>>>> application testing and it has a minimal FC3 install, no Gnome, no
>>>> KDE, and I almost always run without X. This morning I wanted to
>>>> install "system-config-httpd" so I entered "yum whatprovides
>>>> system-config-httpd\*" and walked away. When I came back in 15
>>>> minutes the box was having a major swap shit storm. Logging in on
>>>> another VT took several minutes and running free showed all the
>>>> memory used along with 200MB of swap and growing. At this point, I
>>>> killed the yum process and the box recovered.
>>>>
>>>> I then went and ran the yum command on my 512 MB box and watched
>>>> free memory while it was running. It worked this time, but it did
>>>> exhaust all the memory in the box and use a load of swap space.
>>>>
>>>> I know that unused memory is wasted memory but really folks, test
>>>> your apps on low memory machines! Swapping sucks. I won't even
>>>> start to comment on the current crop of bloated pig mail readers,
>>>> browsers and office suites.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, John, for providing some constructive feedback to Mr. Yang's
>>> "problem". I don't know if the "problem" was due to user or system
>>> error. Either way, I'm sure most of us here don't really care.
>>>
>>> Regardless, think that is what he was looking for.
>>>
>>> I often contribute to this list to try to help people get around
>>> some of the hurdles that they're having, regardless of how small.
>>> However, I do take offense to how Mr. Yang states that FC3 is the
>>> guilty party. I know that he says he came from a vast Windows
>>> background, and with that being said, he should know better than
>>> anyone that you can not ever expect the best performance out of a
>>> product vanilla and "out of the box".
>>>
>>> My suggestion to you, Mr. Yang, is to go do your homework, and stop
>>> with the "You're an idiot" - "No, you're an idiot!" idle bickering.
>>> The list gets enough traffic already, and could surely do without
>>> the bickering.
>>>
>> Okay, someone starts calling me a *troll* (not directly though, but
>> every normal man with normal brain can infer that). Should I remain
>> silent? What will you do if you were I in this case?
>>
>>> The few who have not already ignored every message that you have,
>>> may, or will be sending, are here to support you, and if need be,
>>> hold your hand throughout the whole process. I, for some reason,
>>> remain one of these few, but I think that I put it well said for
>>> others and myself when I tell you that I will refuse to offer any
>>> assistance to you if your netiquette does not improve.
>>>
>> Okay, I have a bad temper. My colleguges all agree with this
>> conclusion, but they also agree I am kind person too. I often get
>> flamed about garbage software. This is a thing I cannot help.
>>
>>> So which areas of your setup are you wanting to improve? Memory
>>> consumption? Where would you like to start?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please read my question. The most thing I want to know is how to stop
>> eggcups from respawning, which I have found answer by gooling (though
>> it took me about 30 minutes). And I want to know why it takes so
>> *much* memory. It shouldn't have to as I have expected.
>>
>>>
>>> Have a good evening
>>> -Dan Trainor
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for replying. If my bad temper or netiquette does not sound
>> good to you, please ignore me. Or simply report the the list admin
>> and let him decide if my posts will be blocked.
>>
>
> Well, as much as we'd like to say it on a daily basis, Opensource
> isn't always perfect. In fact, no software is. That's just how it
> works.
>
> ...starts calling me a troll. Well, I'd ignore it. This is the
> Internet. You don't always have to have the last word. Who cares.
>
> Bad temper? We have our bad days. Who cares. Drop it. I'm done
> with it, as you should be. Thanks.
>
> Can you please share your solution regarding eggcups? I'm sure there
> may be others with the same question. I must say I'm a bit curious
> myself.
>
> Thanks
> -dant
>
See Pasha's post at the bottom, and also my reply to Pasha's post.
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