FC3 sucks. It takes up too much memory!

[Edward Yang]

Dan Trainor wrote:

> Edward Yang wrote:
>
>> Dan Trainor wrote:
>>
>>> John Wendel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Edward Yang wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for replying. Though it's quite off the topic to discuss 
>>>>> what a troll is, but I apparently see many people in Linux 
>>>>> community likes calling someone else *troll*.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THIS IS NOT A TROLL
>>>>
>>>> I have to agree with Edward Yang about memory usage, though I can't 
>>>> comment about Windows. I have been using Linux for 5 years and I'm 
>>>> really disturbed by the memory bloat in the current crop of desktop 
>>>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> I've got one box that has 128 MB of memory. I normally use it for 
>>>> application testing and it has a minimal FC3 install, no Gnome, no 
>>>> KDE, and I almost always run without X. This morning I wanted to 
>>>> install "system-config-httpd" so I entered "yum whatprovides 
>>>> system-config-httpd\*" and walked away. When I came back in 15 
>>>> minutes the box was having a major swap shit storm. Logging in on 
>>>> another VT took several minutes and running free showed all the 
>>>> memory used along with 200MB of swap and growing. At this point, I 
>>>> killed the yum process and the box recovered.
>>>>
>>>> I then went and ran the yum command on my 512 MB box and watched 
>>>> free memory while it was running. It worked this time, but it did 
>>>> exhaust all the memory in the box and use a load of swap space.
>>>>
>>>> I know that unused memory is wasted memory but really folks, test 
>>>> your apps on low memory machines! Swapping sucks. I won't even 
>>>> start to comment on the current crop of bloated pig mail readers, 
>>>> browsers and office suites.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, John, for providing some constructive feedback to Mr. Yang's 
>>> "problem".  I don't know if the "problem" was due to user or system 
>>> error.  Either way, I'm sure most of us here don't really care.
>>>
>>> Regardless, think that is what he was looking for.
>>>
>>> I often contribute to this list to try to help people get around 
>>> some of the hurdles that they're having, regardless of how small.  
>>> However, I do take offense to how Mr. Yang states that FC3 is the 
>>> guilty party.  I know that he says he came from a vast Windows 
>>> background, and with that being said, he should know better than 
>>> anyone that you can not ever expect the best performance out of a 
>>> product vanilla and "out of the box".
>>>
>>> My suggestion to you, Mr. Yang, is to go do your homework, and stop 
>>> with the "You're an idiot" - "No, you're an idiot!" idle bickering.  
>>> The list gets enough traffic already, and could surely do without 
>>> the bickering.
>>>
>> Okay, someone starts calling me a *troll* (not directly though, but 
>> every normal man with normal brain can infer that). Should I remain 
>> silent? What will you do if you were I in this case?
>>
>>> The few who have not already ignored every message that you have, 
>>> may, or will be sending, are here to support you, and if need be, 
>>> hold your hand throughout the whole process.  I, for some reason, 
>>> remain one of these few, but I think that I put it well said for 
>>> others and myself when I tell you that I will refuse to offer any 
>>> assistance to you if your netiquette does not improve.
>>>
>> Okay, I have a bad temper. My colleguges all agree with this 
>> conclusion, but they also agree I am kind person too. I often get 
>> flamed about garbage software. This is a thing I cannot help.
>>
>>> So which areas of your setup are you wanting to improve?  Memory 
>>> consumption?  Where would you like to start?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please read my question. The most thing I want to know is how to stop 
>> eggcups from respawning, which I have found answer by gooling (though 
>> it took me about 30 minutes). And I want to know why it takes so 
>> *much* memory. It shouldn't have to as I have expected.
>>
>>>
>>> Have a good evening
>>> -Dan Trainor
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for replying. If my bad temper or netiquette does not sound 
>> good to you, please ignore me. Or simply report the the list admin 
>> and let him decide if my posts will be blocked.
>>
>
> Well, as much as we'd like to say it on a daily basis, Opensource 
> isn't always perfect.  In fact, no software is.  That's just how it 
> works.
>
> ...starts calling me a troll.  Well, I'd ignore it.  This is the 
> Internet.  You don't always have to have the last word.  Who cares.
>
> Bad temper?  We have our bad days.  Who cares.  Drop it.  I'm done 
> with it, as you should be.  Thanks.
>
> Can you please share your solution regarding eggcups?  I'm sure there 
> may be others with the same question.  I must say I'm a bit curious 
> myself.
>
> Thanks
> -dant
>
See Pasha's post at the bottom, and also my reply to Pasha's post.